What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Peter Rosa]

Hello everybody,

sorry for the stupid question, which should not be here,
but sometimes you use phrase "OUT-OF-THE-BOX".
It can be also found on FBSD web-pages. I'm not from
english-speaking country and I really do not know what
does it mean.
Can you explain, please ?

Thanks and regards.

Peter Rosa

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Re: HELP! Undefined symbol "__stdoutp" in FreeBSD 4.3...

[Kris Kennaway]

On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:58:00PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On a FreeBSD 4.3 server (I inherited when I took over IT duties at a new
> client), I am getting "Undefined symbol "__stdoutp"" error messages when
> I try to run utilities (e.g. sudo) that I have pkg_add'ed to the server.

You can't use packages built for >4.3 on 4.3.

>  Also, attempts to build the latest 'sudo' port fail.  Initially, the
> port building failure involved the fact that  /usr/local/bin/sed_inplace
> did not exist.  Trying to build that port failed as well... so I
> pkg_add'ed sed_inplace... But then the sudo port build kept failing.

The ports collection does not support old releases, although the
sed_inplace port should build.  There were some compatibility fixes
made to the ports collection in the past few weeks..try cvsupping your
ports collection.

Kris


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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[W. D.]

At 02:10 8/1/2003, Peter Rosa, wrote:
>Hello everybody,
>
>sorry for the stupid question, which should not be here,
>but sometimes you use phrase "OUT-OF-THE-BOX".
>It can be also found on FBSD web-pages. I'm not from
>english-speaking country and I really do not know what
>does it mean.
>Can you explain, please ?
>
>Thanks and regards.
>
>Peter Rosa

Hmmm.  

"Out of the box" probably means "from the beginning".  If
you buy a new monitor, and take it "out of the box" it probably
will work just fine for you and you will be happy.  You will then 
have had an "out of the box" experience, or "OBE".

Thinking "outside the box' means thinking in a manner that is 
unusual, or creative, or not within the confines of the ordinary.

Hope that helps.

 

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perforce usage by the FreeBSD project

[Georg-W. Koltermann]

Hi,

I remember a long while ago, maybe two or three years, there was a
lengthy thread about using P4 vs. CVS for the FreeBSD project.  I
believe it was on the -current list.  At that time I didn't follow the
thread, and now I cannot find it any more.

If someone could drop me a pointer, or refer me to any other sound and
fair comparison of CVS vs. P4.

--
Thanks in advance,
regards,
Georg.


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FreeBSD behind a PROXY and unnatural Proxy Ports settings in ourLAN

[Rommel B. Ikeda]

Hi to Everyone...

First of all I am a NEWBIE to FreeBSD and UNIX...

Second, since I successfully had the courage in sending my first Email to [EMAIL 
PROTECTED], I have been in constant contact we people who have been trying to help me 
to solve my problem(s)...and I am very thankful for those people, especially to 
Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Aaron Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My probelms are too 
many of them that I can no longer ask them to help me, for I think I would be being 
selfish and too much...so, I have finally decided to write to this community again for 
HELP...

I am using my IBM R40e Thinkpad in our office and I am the only one using 
FreeBSD...The main problem (forgive me I am just assuming the it is the main problem) 
that I have right now...is that our HTTP Port is set to 10080, FTP Port is set to 
10021, POP3 Port is set 10026, SMTP is set to 10111...In using a Web Browser such as 
Mozilla...I just set my HTTP, FTP, and others in the Preferences...and everything is 
O.K., about my Emails (I am using Sylpheed), I just set my POP3 to 192.168.1.5.:10026 
and SMTP to 192.168.1.5:10111 and everything is O.K.

The problem is I am trying to install Ports that I really needed and it seems that I 
does not work when THOSE PORTS NEEDED TO BE DOWNLOADED USES FTP...How can I set things 
or my system that our Proxy Server is not using the default Port Settings...How can I 
let my system and those programs needed to run to downloaded Ports know that our Proxy 
Server has HTTP Port set to 10080 and FTP Port set to 10021.  For example, how can I 
configure "cvsup-without-gui" to use the following settings above...

Any advice and help is really needed...
Please do not get me wrong the people who have been helping are really serious in 
solving my problem and I am very grateful for it...its just that, when they solve 
problems that I have, another thing comes up and then another thing...and I think it 
is all related to the problem that I wrote above...

Thank you...

Rommel B. Ikeda
OISCA-International W.H.Q
Tokyo, Japan

P.S.
I do know that there is a FreeBSD Handbook, and I can search the internet to find 
solutionsbut if anyone could only point me to the right direction about this then 
I would go and read whatever there is.

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How to remove ^M character

[Anil Garg]

Hi,

I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
end.
Is there some command in vi (or some way) by whcih ^M can be removed.

Thanks
Anil


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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Karl Pielorz]

--On 01 August 2003 14:01 +0530 Anil Garg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
end.
Is there some command in vi (or some way) by which ^M can be removed.
Or, on second thoughts - upload it via ftp in ASCII mode, not binary mode - 
and the system should do it for you... :)

-Kp
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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Karl Pielorz]

--On 01 August 2003 14:01 +0530 Anil Garg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
end.
Is there some command in vi (or some way) by which ^M can be removed.
man tr

or simply,

cat file | tr -d "\r" > newfile

-Kp
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creating a bootable floppy (not for the installation)

[mess-mate]

Hi,
some questions from a newbie :
1.How can I create a bootable floppy after the installation of 
rel 5.1 ?
The FreeBSD slice is /dev/hdb4. 
2.After a lilo config, ( as described in the howto) 
other=/dev/hdb4
table=/dev/hdb
loader=/boot/chain.b
label=FreeBSD
lilo won't install it to the mbr.
Thanks for the reply
mess-mate


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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Anil Garg]

thanks :)
- Original Message -
From: "Karl Pielorz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anil Garg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: How to remove ^M character


>
>
> --On 01 August 2003 14:01 +0530 Anil Garg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at
its
> > end.
> > Is there some command in vi (or some way) by which ^M can be removed.
>
> Or, on second thoughts - upload it via ftp in ASCII mode, not binary
mode -
> and the system should do it for you... :)
>
> -Kp
>


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Usage of warnpassword and warnexpire in 5.1 login.conf

[Mats Larsson]

Hello!

Trying to get warnings to a few accounts about their expire time of
password but with no result. Are the warnexpire and warnpassword still
used in 5.1 or have they been superseded with a PAM module in the same way
as minpasswordlen and minpasswordcase??

// Mats Larsson
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Re: Nvidia Drivers + FreeBSD AGP + Big textures = Problems

[Karel J. Bosschaart]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 12:25:37AM +0200, Mica Telodico wrote:
> Hi all ,
> 
> I'm getting problems with FreeBSD AGP driver and
> Nvidia DRVs.
> 
> My system is composed by a Geforce3 Ti200 (by
> Creative) and an MSI KT4Ultra (KT400) . I've decided
> to use the FreeBSD AGP driver instead of the Nvidia
> one , but I'm getting the following problem:
> 
> When I play to Enemy Territory (for now is the only
> game that I've tried) using HIGH_QUALITY options
> (1280x1024 + all 32bit +all effect to their max +
> texture compression NO ) after few time the textures
> start to flicker. The colors are strange , and after 1
> minute the Video Card starts to draw the textures in
> the wrong place (for examples it draws the texture of
> a  tank on the floor ) , after a couple of seconds all
> the screen starts to flicker , and then the system
> freeze. If I only enable the Texture compression (and
> so I reduce a bit the dimension of the textures) the
> problem disappears , and also if I reduce the quality
> of the textures (also reducing the size). I think that
> may be a memory allocation error in the AGP when it
> needs to write into the main memory , or something
> like this. 
>
Is the main menu OK now?

> Someone have my problem? 
>
Not this problem (well didn't try those options), but
the Nvidia driver causes my ttyv's to fail miserably:
any switch to a ttyv will cause the system to freeze,
which means that I can't even shutdown properly since
the system goes to ttyv first when doing a shutdown
from KDE/kdm. Games run fine though.

> Can someone solve it? I'd like to use the FreeBSD drv
> instead of the Nvidia one (I'd like to be more open
> that I can) 
> 
After all, the Nvidia driver is still beta, so problems
can be expected.

> Ah , Nvidia AGP drv solve the problem 
> 
I also have Nvidia AGP. FreeBSD AGP didn't change anything
for me with my ttyv problem. I'll try another resolution
(already tried colordepth). Have a look at 
http://www.soulwax.net/nvidia/faq.shtml ,
I found this an excellent FAQ.

Karel.
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Re: shell scripting while if string length != 0

[Rob]

I'm not a shell guru, but pipelines don't necessarily run in sequence.
In line 5 of your script, the part that says

  sed '1d' > /path/to/file_o_commands

will destroy all contents of the original file. This may or may not
happen before

  cat /path/to/file_o_commands

has finished reading it.

If you just want to execute the lines of a file in order, use something
like

  cat file_o_commands | while read CMD ; do
eval $CMD
  done

On the other hand, if you want the script to hang around at the end of
the file and wait for new commands, you may need a named pipe (FIFO).
This is a file that one process writes to and another one reads from,
not necessarily at the same time.

See http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=2156 and
http://tldp.org/LDP/lpg/node15.html for some info on these.

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From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: shell scripting while if string length != 0


> for reasons best left unsaid, we need to pull in a file full of
partial
> commands, and run them via a shell script on occasion, removing each
command as
> we run it.  Have managed to hack togetherthe following shell script,
but and
> stumped on something simple because of my lack of shell knowledge;
>
> the file that holds out commands
>   
> Server1 df -k
> Server2 df -k
> Server3 top | grep myprog
> Server4 who
>
> add new commands to the end of the file with
>   echo "Server2 who" >> /path/to/file_o_commands
>
> then when we need to, run through the commands
>   
> #!/bin/sh
> # get top command
> DOCOMMAND=`head -n 1 /path/to/file_o_commands`
> # remove that command
> cat /path/to/file_o_commands | sed '1d' > /path/to/file_o_commands
> # run that command
> ssh ${DOCOMMAND}
>
> this works as intended with 1 exception, we need to add a while in
there to loop
> through the file and stop processing an exit when `head -n 1
> /path/to/file_o_commands` does not return a line.
>
> I almost want to borrow -n from if
>
> while [ -n (DOCOMMAND=`head -n 1 /path/to/file_o_commands`) ] do
>  ...rest of script...
> done
>
> Anyone care to enlighten me a bit?
>
> Dave
>
>
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Compiling kernel and making world as non-root

[Alexander Farber]

Hi,

I'm a FreeBSD newbie, but have used OpenBSD for few years.

Is there a way to compile kernel and also to "make world" as 
a non-root user under FreeBSD (5.1/i386)? In OpenBSD I normally 
put "SUDO=sudo" into /etc/mk.conf and run "make build". Also
all /usr/src belongs to "alex:wsrc", not to "root:wheel"...

Regards
Alex
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RE: CVSUP

[Philip Payne]

 
> I have a question about cvsup.  I read the manual and can 
> update my ports with no 
> problem.  Here is my question though...what if I was to 
> change the Makefile for a port? 
>  Is there a way I can still use CVSup to update my ports and 
> merge the changes I made 
> in the old Makefile with the new Makefile instead of having 
> cvsup just delete the old 
> one.

I guess it would depend on the changes you were making but is the file
/usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf any use?

If not, then I think mirroring the CVS tree is probably the way to go.

Phil.
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RE: How to remove ^M character

[Philip Payne]

HI,
> I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line 
> has ^M at its
> end.
> Is there some command in vi (or some way) by whcih ^M can be removed.
> 
> Thanks
> Anil

At the vi command line
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Re: FreeBSD behind a PROXY and unnatural Proxy Ports settings inour LAN

[Andreas Kohn]

Am Fri, 2003-08-01 um 10.10 schrieb Rommel B. Ikeda:
> Hi to Everyone...
Hi!
> 
> The problem is I am trying to install Ports that I really needed and it seems 
> that I does not work when THOSE PORTS NEEDED TO BE DOWNLOADED USES FTP...How 
> can I set things or my system that our Proxy Server is not using the default 
> Port Settings...How can I let my system and those programs needed to run to 
> downloaded Ports know that our Proxy Server has HTTP Port set to 10080 and 
> FTP Port set to 10021.  For example, how can I configure "cvsup-without-gui" 
> to use the following settings above...
> 
Have you tried to set the FTP_PROXY and HTTP_PROXY environment
variables? fetch (the program ports use to get the distribution files)
will honor them (more in fetch(3)).

HTH, 
-- 
Andreas Kohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re: FreeBSD behind a PROXY and unnatural Proxy Ports settings inour LAN

[Rommel B. Ikeda]

Thanks for the reply,
> Have you tried to set the FTP_PROXY and HTTP_PROXY environment
> variables? fetch (the program ports use to get the distribution files)
> will honor them (more in fetch(3)).

When I first tried to instal CVSup, I really had a hard time in doing it...after a 
long time of research using Google and Netscape Search...I stumbled on a Thread that 
mentioned about how fetch's honors the HTTP and FTP mentioned in one's 
environemnt...Since FreeBSD has set me up to use Bourne Shell ($, I hope I am 
right)...I then put

http_proxy=http://192.168.1.5:10080/; export http_proxy
ftp_proxy=ftp://192.168.1.5:10021/; export ftp_proxy

in my .shrc file located my directory and I was able to download and install the cvsup 
Port...I thought that finally I can use cvsup and install all the Ports that I 
need...it turns out that...Yes, I was successfull in installing Sylpheed, but no I 
could not download and install the ports vilearn, kinput2-canna, but again I was 
successfull in installing Canna, and Eterm.

Now, I do not know why I can download some Ports and can not on others...

Rommel B. Ikeda
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Boot manager doesn't show the Windows partition

[Alexander Farber]

Hi,

I have installed FreeBSD 5.1 on the 1st drive a PC with 3 IDE disks:

ad0: 38166MB  [77545/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
ad1: 39083MB  [79408/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA133
ad2: 58644MB  [119150/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA100

The other 2 disks contain OpenBSD-current (ad1) and Win XP Home (ad2).
During the FreeBSD installation I've answered "Yes" to the question
if I'd like it to install a boot manager and now during the boot I 
see 2 entries - F1 for FreeBSD and F5 for OpenBSD (both boot fine).

How could I enable the 3rd entry in order to boot the WinXP from
the ad2 disk (second slave) please? I've tried:

newhope:conf {141} sudo boot0cfg -m 0xf ad0
newhope:conf {142} sudo boot0cfg -v -m 0xf ad0
#   flag start chs   type   end chs   offset size
1   0x80  0:  1: 1   0xa5   1023:254:63   63 78156162

version=1.0  drive=0x80  mask=0xf  ticks=182
options=nopacket,update,nosetdrv
default_selection=F1 (Slice 1)

But it hasn't helped (still 2 entries). My dmesg is pasted below.

Thank you
Alex



Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Aug  1 00:08:47 GMT 2003
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/GENERIC.isdn
Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc04e4000.
Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc04e4244.
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 285424 Hz
CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2400+ (2000.09-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x681  Stepping = 1
  
Features=0x383fbff
  AMD Features=0xc040
real memory  = 536854528 (511 MB)
avail memory = 516210688 (492 MB)
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0:  on motherboard
pcibios: BIOS version 2.10
Using $PIR table, 12 entries at 0xc00f2080
acpi0: power button is handled as a fixed feature programming model.
Timecounter "ACPI-fast"  frequency 3579545 Hz
acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0xe408-0xe40b on acpi0
acpi_cpu0:  on acpi0
acpi_button0:  on acpi0
pcib0:  port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0:  on pcib0
agp0:  mem 0xf800-0xfbff at device 0.0 on pci0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pci1:  at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
pci0:  at device 9.0 (no driver attached)
pci0:  at device 11.0 (no driver attached)
pci0:  at device 14.0 (no driver attached)
fxp0:  port 0xd000-0xd03f mem 
0xec00-0xec0f,0xec80-0xec800fff irq 7 at device 15.0 on pci0
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:02:b3:1a:eb:57
miibus0:  on fxp0
inphy0:  on miibus0
inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
uhci0:  port 0xb800-0xb81f irq 9 at device 16.0 on pci0
usb0:  on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1:  port 0xb400-0xb41f irq 9 at device 16.1 on pci0
usb1:  on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ugen0: WACOM ET-0405-UV1.1-1, rev 1.00/1.11, addr 2
uhci2:  port 0xb000-0xb01f irq 9 at device 16.2 on pci0
usb2:  on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0:  at device 16.3 (no driver attached)
isab0:  at device 17.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port 0xa800-0xa80f at device 17.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
pci0:  at device 17.5 (no driver attached)
fdc0:  port 0x3f7,0x3f2-0x3f5 
irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
sio0 port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0
sio0: type 16550A, console
sio1 port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0
sio1: type 16550A
atkbdc0:  port 0x64,0x60 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0:  flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0:  irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0
orm0:  at iomem 0xd-0xd0fff,0xc-0xcc7ff on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
ppc0: parallel port not found.
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x100>
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
i4btel: 4 ISDN telephony interface device(s) attached
i4bipr: 4 IP over raw HDLC ISDN device(s) attached
i4bctl: ISDN system control port attached
i4bisppp: 4 ISDN SyncPPP device(s) attached
i4b: ISDN call control device attached
i4btrc: 4 ISDN trace device(s) attached
i4brbch: 4 raw B channel access device(s) attached
ad0: 38166MB  [77545/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
ad1: 39083MB  [79408/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA133
ad2: 58644MB  [119150/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA100
acd0: DVD-ROM  at ata1-slave PIO4
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...stopped
Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `buf

AT-2700FTX Network card working on FreeBSD ?

[Gheorghe Ardelean]

Hi,

Has anybody an idea about how this card works under FreeBSD (it's based on
a PCnet chip but it's not listed in the hardware section)?

The card name is
AT-2700FTX/SC PCI Ethernet Adapter Card with 10/100Mbps
RJ-45 and 100Mbps Fiber (SC) Connectors (Allied Telesyn)

Thanks,

Gheorghe ARDELEAN

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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Mykroft Holmes IV]

Out of The Box means 'Like New', and unmodified. It's the condition the 
item being referred to would be in when it was rem,oved from it's box.

Adam

Peter Rosa wrote:

Hello everybody,

sorry for the stupid question, which should not be here,
but sometimes you use phrase "OUT-OF-THE-BOX".
It can be also found on FBSD web-pages. I'm not from
english-speaking country and I really do not know what
does it mean.
Can you explain, please ?
Thanks and regards.

Peter Rosa

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Re: does freebsd support IRDA comm.?

[Dan Pelleg]

"S.W.Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does FreeBSD support IRDA devices? and how to config?
> 
> thk!

It supports some IRDA devices. You will need to install the birda port
(/usr/ports/comm/birda). Then you will need an application that can talk to
your device (eg coldsync for some PalmOs devices).


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Re: Boot manager doesn't show the Windows partition

[Jud]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:16:29 +, "Alexander Farber"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed FreeBSD 5.1 on the 1st drive a PC with 3 IDE disks:
> 
> ad0: 38166MB  [77545/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
> ad1: 39083MB  [79408/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA133
> ad2: 58644MB  [119150/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA100
> 
> The other 2 disks contain OpenBSD-current (ad1) and Win XP Home (ad2).
> During the FreeBSD installation I've answered "Yes" to the question
> if I'd like it to install a boot manager and now during the boot I 
> see 2 entries - F1 for FreeBSD and F5 for OpenBSD (both boot fine).
> 
> How could I enable the 3rd entry in order to boot the WinXP from
> the ad2 disk (second slave) please?

I believe the FreeBSD boot loader should be installed on each of the 3
drives.

There are a number of other options which you can find by reading the
online FAQ and Googling this list.  GAG in particular has had some
favorable comment here on the list recently as an easy-to-setup graphical
bootloader.

Jud
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RE: shell scripting while if string length != 0

[Dave [Hawk-Systems]]

>I'm not a shell guru, but pipelines don't necessarily run in sequence.
>In line 5 of your script, the part that says
>
>  sed '1d' > /path/to/file_o_commands
>
>will destroy all contents of the original file. This may or may not
>happen before
>
>  cat /path/to/file_o_commands
>
>has finished reading it.

Good point. The few tests done so far appear to run as expected,  certainly not
under load of any sort though.

>If you just want to execute the lines of a file in order, use something
>like
>
>  cat file_o_commands | while read CMD ; do
>eval $CMD
>  done

How to remove completed commands though?

>On the other hand, if you want the script to hang around at the end of
>the file and wait for new commands, you may need a named pipe (FIFO).
>This is a file that one process writes to and another one reads from,
>not necessarily at the same time.
>
>See http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=2156 and
>http://tldp.org/LDP/lpg/node15.html for some info on these.

Not really what I was thinking of, but may be a much more eloquent solution than
an occasional cron run.  Will definately check it out, thanks.

Dave

>- Original Message -
>From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: shell scripting while if string length != 0
>
>
>> for reasons best left unsaid, we need to pull in a file full of
>partial
>> commands, and run them via a shell script on occasion, removing each
>command as
>> we run it.  Have managed to hack togetherthe following shell script,
>but and
>> stumped on something simple because of my lack of shell knowledge;
>>
>> the file that holds out commands
>>   
>> Server1 df -k
>> Server2 df -k
>> Server3 top | grep myprog
>> Server4 who
>>
>> add new commands to the end of the file with
>>   echo "Server2 who" >> /path/to/file_o_commands
>>
>> then when we need to, run through the commands
>>   
>> #!/bin/sh
>> # get top command
>> DOCOMMAND=`head -n 1 /path/to/file_o_commands`
>> # remove that command
>> cat /path/to/file_o_commands | sed '1d' > /path/to/file_o_commands
>> # run that command
>> ssh ${DOCOMMAND}
>>
>> this works as intended with 1 exception, we need to add a while in
>there to loop
>> through the file and stop processing an exit when `head -n 1
>> /path/to/file_o_commands` does not return a line.
>>
>> I almost want to borrow -n from if
>>
>> while [ -n (DOCOMMAND=`head -n 1 /path/to/file_o_commands`) ] do
>>  ...rest of script...
>> done
>>
>> Anyone care to enlighten me a bit?
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Multiple screens TV and Monitor??

[kristof]

Hi,

Does anybody know how you to configure your Xfreeconfig file so that it can lanch two 
X windows at the same time. I would like te be able to view my screen on my tv and 
monitor at the same time. I can do it separatly(TV or Monitor) but it has to be 
possible to have twinview. I have an NVIDIA Geforce 4 MX 440 SE and I'm pretty sure it 
supports this feature (Works in WINDHOOS). Any links with information or advice on how 
to adchieve this would be very welkom

thx

krikke


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RE: shell scripting while if string length != 0

[Steve Coile]

Dave:

>From your description of the script, and from the script itself,
it appears that the reason you're checking for a blank command is to
determine when you've reached the end of commands.  Presumably, that
would only occur at the end of the file.  Is my interpretation correct?

If the reason you're looking for that blank line is to find the end of
commands, you could approach the problem this way:

- move the original file containing commands into a temporary file;
- create an empty file in the original location;
- execute the commands from the temporary file;
- delete the temporary file.

In this way, you avoid having the file of commands updated while you're
reading through it and executing commands.  You also avoid a number
of potential programatic pitfalls that are present with your current
approach, pitfalls that may result in the loss of changes to the file
containing commands.

So:

#/bin/sh

CMDFILE=/path/to/file_o_commands

# move current file to temporary location
mv -f "${CMDFILE}" "${CMDFILE}.tmp"

# create an empty command file
touch "${CMDFILE}"

# commands are coming from the temporary file
eval < "${CMDFILE}.tmp"

# read each command
while read command
do
# execute each command via SSH
eval ssh ${command}
done

# delete the temporary file
rm -f "${CMDFILE}.tmp"

Note the use of "eval".  It's necessary because the example you included
in your original posting included commands that include shell special
characters, such as the pipe ("|").  Without the "eval" command, those
characters would not be treated the way you appear to want them treated
(as special characters).

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RE: Error during 'make' phase of kernel compilation

[Daniel Cody]

Thanks, that did the trick!

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Bye [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Error during 'make' phase of kernel compilation


On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:05:58AM -0400, Daniel Cody wrote:

[---snip---]

> aic.o: In function `aic_detach':
> aic.o(.text+0x1b66): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
> aic.o(.text+0x1b6e): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
> aic.o(.text+0x1b7c): undefined reference to `xpt_bus_deregister'
> aic.o(.text+0x1b86): undefined reference to `cam_sim_free'
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/KERNATTICUS.

Do you have any SCSI devices attached to the system?  If so, you need to
enable:

device scbus
device da  # for direct access devices, such as disks

and recompile.  You might also want to uncomment `options
SCSI_DELAY=15000'
as well.  If 15 seconds is too long to wait (most modern SCSI devices
settle
much more quickly than this - I set this down to 5 seconds) you can tune

this value down.

If you have no SCSI devices, then disable:

device  adw
device  aha0at isa?
device  aic0at isa?
device  ncv # NCR 53C500
device  stg # TMC 18C30/18C50

and try again.

HTH

Dan

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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Simon Barner]

Hi,

> I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
> end.
> Is there some command in vi (or some way) by whcih ^M can be removed.

You can use dos2unix(1) for that. There is also the complementary tool
unix2dos(1).

Simon


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Re: Error when starting quake3, Anybody????

[Andreas Kohn]

Am Thu, 2003-07-31 um 23.24 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I've been busy installing the new NVIDIA drivers so 3D support is utilised. 
> Now I've recompiled my kernel so that the nessesary support whas selected. 
> Then installed the driver and configured the XF86config file. (This al took 
> like 2 weeks to find out). Now I got rid of al the previous error's I tried 
> installing I got and installed quake3 to find out how Unix performs with the 
> 3D drivers, but I'm getting the following error :
> 
> ./quake3
> Q3 1.32 linux-i386 Oct  7 2002
> [...]
> - R_Init -
> ...loading libGL.so.1: Received signal 11, exiting...
> RootlyGod#
> 
> Does anybody know how to fix this? 
> 
> Again its the libGL driver but it seems to work like it should.
> GLXgears works and GLXinfo doesn't show any error's...
> Who has advice??
> 
Hello,

try to set __GL_SINGLE_THREADED in your shell, for example:
setenv __GL_SINGLE_THREADED 
in csh

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Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP - PROBLEM

[John DeStefano]

"James A. Coulter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: "John DeStefano" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP


> >"Jud" wrote:
> >On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:55:25 -0400 (EDT), "Jerry McAllister"
> > said:
> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I have a computer with Windows XP installed on it.
> >> > I want to dual boot it with FreeBSD.
> >> > My question is: does FreeBSD's boot loader support loading XP?
> >> > Because I've heard XP doesn't like it's MBR being overwritten. Is
> >this
> >> > true?
> >>
> >> I believe both statements are true.
> >> Anyway, you can boot XP with FreeBSD's MBR and that's the important
> >one.
> >>
> >> jerry
> >
> >I see most of the usual suspects have weighed in - may as well complete
> >the list. :-)
> >
> >Jerry's right and so's Adam. I happen to be using GAG right now,
> >because
> >it's pretty automagic and I have a slightly complicated setup.
> >
> >I'd recommend that even if you decide to use the FreeBSD bootloader or
> >GAG that you also have a look at the online FAQ and Google this list.
> >These resources as well as the man pages and the online Handbook will
> >stand you in good stead as you continue with FreeBSD.
> >
> >Jud
>
> And yet another vote for GAG, this time from a newbie! ;)
> I have a FreeBSD/Windows 98/Windows XP system, and although I
> once had it booting from a FBSD loader, GAG was so easy to install and
> configure that I've switched over. It works very well, and it's very easy
to
> use. Just copy the program to a floppy and boot with it. Use the setup
> menu to add your OS selections, add a descriptive name for each (and
> even a different icon to distinguish them!), install your choices to the
> hard drive from the menu, and off you go.
> ~John
>

GAG worked great on my Dell Inspirion 2650 FreeBSD - XP/setup, but when I
installed it on an old Gateway with Win98 - FreeBSD, it did something funky.

I get the GAG boot screen and regardless of whether I choose Win98 or
FreeBSD the system states it is starting Windows 98 and then, after
attempting to access the floppy drive, asks "Type the name of the Command
Interpreter (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM)" and finishes with the A> prompt.

Entering C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM is not recoginized by the system (it repeats
the request for the command interpreter) and inserting a floppy with
COMMAND.COM results in the system freezing.

I tried booting from floppy, worked fine, but system will not recoginize the
c: drive.

Uninstalling GAG only removes the GAG start-up screen, system still asks for
the command interpreter.

Read the GAG instructions and FAQ - no luck.

Anyone had a problem like this? Any suggestions on how to restore my hard
drive without losing any data?

Thanks,

Jim


I'm no guru, but this could be as simple as re-installing GAG, removing all file 
systems from the menu, and starting from scratch to re-add your OS selections (which 
will take all of a minute's time).  This worked for me once when I had a problem 
booting; something had changed on the disk and GAG just needed to adjust to the 
change.  Give it a try.

Failing that... I don't know whether 98 has a 'repair install' option like XP does, 
but if so, that might be a solution.  Also might work to let BSD write its boot menu 
to the MBR.  Maybe someone else can chime in with more info.

~John


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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[george donnelly]

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> Out of The Box means 'Like New', and unmodified. It's the condition the
> item being referred to would be in when it was rem,oved from it's box.

in the software world it often means that something just works, ie you
install it and you can start using it right away without major problem, as
in "it works with X, Y and Z right out of the box".

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ssh/root and remote X sessiosn

[stan]

I have my FreebSD machines set up in the current "preferred" (IE default)
ssh/tty setup which prohibits remote ssh logins. So to get to root I ssh as
my normal user, and su -. All is well, unless I need to run a client as
root. Even manually setting the DISPLAY variable does not seem to allow
this.

How can I make this work?

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Updating several amchine behind a fireall?

[stan]

I find myself in the unfortunate position of supporting 10+ FreebSD machine
that live behind a _VERY_ restrictive firewall that I have no control over.
The only thing I can get through the firewall is http (using a FreebSD
machine with squid as a SOCKS proxy).

Over time these machine have gotten quite out of date, and I need to update
them. Any suggestions to how to do this? A cvsup mirror? If so, how can I
get it's files? Copying /usr/src from a laptop that I cvsup from home?



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Re: Help PLEASE! on proper kernel config file to use serial portswith puc driver

[stan]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 01:37:35AM -0400, J. Seth Henry wrote:
> Stan,
> Could you describe your hardware in a bit more detail. I can't imagine
> why your system would hard lock, unless there is something seriously
> wrong. Also, I'm curious why puc is detecting your card as sio4 and sio5
> (COM5 and COM6 respectively) Most mainboards only have sio0/COM1 and
> sio1/COM2. What is using sio2 and sio3?
> 
> BTW - I would start from a generic kernel configuration if you don't
> remember what you did. Then, make the necessary changes to the copy of
> GENERIC, and go from there. Then, rebuild the kernel - it probably isn't
> necessary, but it will at least return your kernel to something closer
> to the baseline.
> 

The card is a generic PCI card, it's labeled "Mercury" on the box, and has a
Sun chip on it. I see it's detected as a Dolphin card, and I _assume_ that
is correct.

The weirdness with it being COM5 and COM6 had to do with weirdness in my
kernel conf file.

I suspect the problem is that I need to pass certain flags in the kernel
conf, but I don't know which ones.

The good news is, after having spent a couple of days fighting this, and
getting to the point I was locking up the computer with it, it dawned on me
that I had started out there. So I went back and found out that I probably
had the IO address for the on-board CO<1 chip wrong originally. Now it seems
to be working, which will let me deploy the machine!

Thanks for your help on this. I still plan on putting the PCI card in
another machine and trying to get it to work, but that may take a while to
get to.


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Re: ssh/root and remote X sessiosn

[Dan Pelleg]

stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have my FreebSD machines set up in the current "preferred" (IE default)
> ssh/tty setup which prohibits remote ssh logins. So to get to root I ssh as
> my normal user, and su -. All is well, unless I need to run a client as
> root. Even manually setting the DISPLAY variable does not seem to allow
> this.
> 
> How can I make this work?
> 

You need to get xauth to work. Assuming you're ssh-ing as user USER, this
is an easy to to achieve this. Type this after the "su". For csh or tcsh:

setenv HOME ~USER

For bash it's "export HOME=~USER".

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Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP - PROBLEM

[Jud]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT), "John DeStefano"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> "James A. Coulter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John DeStefano" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP
[snip]
> GAG worked great on my Dell Inspirion 2650 FreeBSD - XP/setup, but when I
> installed it on an old Gateway with Win98 - FreeBSD, it did something
> funky.
> 
> I get the GAG boot screen and regardless of whether I choose Win98 or
> FreeBSD the system states it is starting Windows 98 and then, after
> attempting to access the floppy drive, asks "Type the name of the Command
> Interpreter (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM)" and finishes with the A>
> prompt.
> 
> Entering C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM is not recoginized by the system (it
> repeats
> the request for the command interpreter) and inserting a floppy with
> COMMAND.COM results in the system freezing.
> 
> I tried booting from floppy, worked fine, but system will not recoginize
> the
> c: drive.
> 
> Uninstalling GAG only removes the GAG start-up screen, system still asks
> for
> the command interpreter.
> 
> Read the GAG instructions and FAQ - no luck.
> 
> Anyone had a problem like this? Any suggestions on how to restore my hard
> drive without losing any data?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> I'm no guru, but this could be as simple as re-installing GAG, removing
> all file systems from the menu, and starting from scratch to re-add your
> OS selections (which will take all of a minute's time).  This worked for
> me once when I had a problem booting; something had changed on the disk
> and GAG just needed to adjust to the change.  Give it a try.
> 
> Failing that... I don't know whether 98 has a 'repair install' option
> like XP does, but if so, that might be a solution.  Also might work to
> let BSD write its boot menu to the MBR.  Maybe someone else can chime in
> with more info.
> 
> ~John

When you get to the A: prompt, type fdisk /mbr.  If it gives you an
error, start up the next time with a Windows restore floppy and try it
again.  That will restore your Win98 bootloader.  Then you can try
reinstalling GAG.  If it doesn't work, you can try FreeBSD's bootloader,
Grub (/usr/ports/sysutils/grub), or any of several other options.

Since this isn't a GAG helpline  ;-), future correspondence should
probably be sent off-list.

Jud
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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Adam]

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 03:24, W. D. wrote:
> You will then 
> have had an "out of the box" experience, or "OBE".

Why must we insist on confusing non-English patrons? 

OBE means 'out of body experience', and is completely different from the
current topic.

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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Adam]

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 03:10, Peter Rosa wrote:
> sorry for the stupid question, which should not be here,
> but sometimes you use phrase "OUT-OF-THE-BOX".
> It can be also found on FBSD web-pages. I'm not from
> english-speaking country and I really do not know what
> does it mean.
> Can you explain, please ?

'Out of the box' means that something is in its default state, without
being customized. It is supposed to give the impression of how a product
appears right when you take it out of the box, before you integrate it
into your life and customize it. 

Hope this makes sense. ;p

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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Adam]

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 04:31, Anil Garg wrote:
> I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
> end.
> Is there some command in vi (or some way) by whcih ^M can be removed.

In general, you can use a tool such as converters/unix2dos

However, in regards to FTP, you simply need to transfer text files in
ASCII mode, so that the ^M's are automatically removed.

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Checking out ports using CVS

[Alexander Farber]

Hi,

as user "alex:wheel" I try the following commands

cd /usr
sudo mkdir ports
sudo chmod g+w ports
cvs -z3 -d $CVSROOT co -rRELENG_5_1 -P ports | & tee ~/ports.txt

Then I see the various ports sub-directories being checked out
and they aren't empty. But at the very end I see the message:

cvs server: Updating ports/x11-wm/xfce4-wm
cvs server: Updating ports/x11-wm/xfwm4
cvs server: Updating ports/x11-wm/xwmm
cvs server: Updating ports/x11-wm/xwmm/files
cvs server: Updating ports/x11-wm/yawm

cvs checkout: cannot remove ports: Permission denied

and the /usr/ports/ is suddenly empty -

newhope:usr {221} ll ports/
total 2
drwxr-xr-x  2 alex  wheel  512 Aug  1 17:07 CVS

Does anybody know, what am I doing wrong here?

Regards
Alex
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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Kevin Kinsey]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:01:18PM +0530, Anil Garg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
> end. Is there some command in vi (or some way) by whcih ^M can be removed.
> 
> Thanks
> Anil
> 
YAW (yet another way...)

sed 's/.$//' infile.txt > outfile.txt


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Re: Checking out ports using CVS

[Matthew Seaman]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:13:42PM +, Alexander Farber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> as user "alex:wheel" I try the following commands
> 
> cd /usr
> sudo mkdir ports
> sudo chmod g+w ports
> cvs -z3 -d $CVSROOT co -rRELENG_5_1 -P ports | & tee ~/ports.txt
   ^^ 

There's no such tag available in the ports bit of the CVS tree.  You
can use

RELENG_5_1_0

to get exactly what went onto the 5.1 CDs, but in general with ports
you just need to checkout HEAD.

Cheers,

Matthew 

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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 03:24, W. D. wrote:
> > You will then 
> > have had an "out of the box" experience, or "OBE".
> 
> Why must we insist on confusing non-English patrons? 
> 
> OBE means 'out of body experience', and is completely different from the
> current topic.

Well,   for some people, having an Out of the body experience would
certainly be outside the box anyway...

jerry

> 
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Problem with Sendmail installation on FBSD 4.8REL

[Jamie]

   I've installed Sendmail 8.12.9 on 4.8 RELEASE with sasl library support
from the ports collection. The install put the binary in
/usr/sbin/sendmail. It didn't update /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail.

   So, when I started sendmail, sasl support worked fine, but when I ran
any commands which are links to /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail such as
hoststat, it complained that sasl was not supported.

   To fix this, I just copied /usr/sbin/sendmail to
/usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail and everything seems fine.


   Is there something wrong with the port, or did I flub something up
during the install? Is my workaround okay, or is my fix going to create
problems elsewhere?

   Thanks,
   - Jamie



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Followup to Sendmail install problem

[Jamie]

  These are the steps I used when I installed sendmail. I realized that I
should have included them in the last post:

cd /usr/ports/mail/sendmail-sasl

make PREFIX=/usr

make PREFIX=/usr install

   I used /usr since I wanted to overwrite the existing sendmail rather
than placing everything in /usr/local.

   - Jamie


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Re: buggy optimization levels...

[LLeweLLyn Reese]

Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi, all--
> 
> The "known bugs" section of the GCC info documentation lists 5 issues;
> "man gcc" lists none.


You are looking in the 'wrong' place for 'known bugs' (Or the GCC
people aren't putting the info in the 'right' place :-)

http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/

Is where to look for known bugs.


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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[LLeweLLyn Reese]

george donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 7/31/03 6:44 PM]
> 
> > If you want a GUI, try GNU Emacs or XEmacs. I prefer GNU Emacs, but I suggest
> > you try both (if you are looking for a GUI).
> > If you don't want a GUI, and if you are not looking for Emacs' massive
> > extensibility, there are several curses-based "lookalikes" of Emacs, that
> > share Emacs' look and feel, but do not feature its lisp interpreter, and thus
> > much of its extensibility; on the other hand, they tend be more...
> > ressource-friendly than emacs. Among these smaller versions I know of zile
> > (zile is lossy emacs) and µemacs (micro emacs), though I have tried neither.
> 
> thanks for the feedback. gui is not important, i guess i'm just looking for
> the neat features that everyone talks about - and with a minimum of resource
> usage as i would like to install it on a webserver as well so clients can
> use it over ssh.

What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using
emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is
128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I
find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via
modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though
older emmacs were).

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Adaptec 39320 Not Detected

[Gian-Carlo]

According the hardware comp. list Adaptec SCSI 39320 is FreeBSD compatible
but it is not detected in my box

gian-carlo


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Re: Adaptec 39320 Not Detected

[Justin T. Gibbs]

> According the hardware comp. list Adaptec SCSI 39320 is FreeBSD compatible
> but it is not detected in my box

Disable Host-RAID via SCSI-Select.  Host-RAID is not supported under
FreeBSD.

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Bootp Installing a Thinkpad?

[John Morgan Salomon]

Hi there,

I have just gotten my fingers on a Thinkpad 765D.  The external floppy
drive is busted, and the thing will not boot from CD-ROM.  However,
according to its bios settings, it should be able to netboot.

Can someone point me in the right direction how to set up a bootp install
server, analogous to Solaris jumpstart, for FreeBSD?  I'd like to put
5.1-R on this thing, and I have a running 4.8-R server available.

Cheers,

-John

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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[george donnelly]

[LLeweLLyn Reese wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:02
PM]

> What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using
> emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is
> 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I
> find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via
> modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though
> older emmacs were).

bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc.

i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use
up a lot of RAM or processor.

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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[Marc Wiz]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 12:29:56PM -0500, george donnelly wrote:
> [LLeweLLyn Reese wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:02
> PM]
> 
> > What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using
> > emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is
> > 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I
> > find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via
> > modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though
> > older emmacs were).
> 
> bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc.
> 
> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use
> up a lot of RAM or processor.
> 

What do you consider a lot of RAM or processor?

It amazes me how people used to berate emacs for it's use of resources
yet it does one heck of a lot stuff especially considering the
amount of resources a web browser takes.

Granted hardware has gotten a lot faster but it still amazes me how
much resources a web browser will take up.

Marc

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VMWare and FreeBSD 4.8 on my laptop

[Peter Nugter]

I am sorry if this is the wrong mail address but - as a newbe - I have a
question.

I installed on my laptop (using Windows XP; SP 1) VMWare 4 which runs O.K.

I installed a virtual machine (VMWare 4) and was able to install FreeBSD
4.8 as a "guest" on it.

Although the configuration of XFree86 (which is not cooperating well with
the ATI Radeon IGP 340M) was a hell of a job - for an unexpierenced FreeBSD
user - FreeBSD 4.8 runs well now.

But now I want to connect my FreeBSD virtual machine to the internet.

I did understand from the VMWare manual that a NAT device allows me to
connect FreeBSD through my "host"-laptop to my provider. VMWare uses than a
so called VMnet 8 switch.
My provider gives me a different IP each time when dialing.

But when starting Konqurer: I only get the message "host not found" (of
course I already have a connection by way of my XP-host!).

I must confess - as I have little knowledge of advanced networking - that I
do not have the slightest idea what to do.

Is it just the right configuration inside VMWare or do I have to configure
some files inside FreeBSD?

Another question:

The VMware handbook (page 193) suggests that one also can make an internet
connection by using a "host-only" network and let Windows do the job by
using the Internet Connection Sharing Wizard.
But it does not work. Windows "tells" me that something during the
installation went wrong.

Has someone any experience with these matters?

Thank you very much for helping me!!!

Sincerely yours, Peter Nugter.

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FreeBSD on a new HP Pavilion ZE43xx

[Sabri Berisha]

Hi all,

Does anyone have positive experience installing FreeBSD on a HP Pavilion
series? I just bought byself a ZE4355EA today and I have a hard time
installing A Decent OS. 

Problems I encounter are the well-known ACPI problems (but I worked
around this) and my biggest problem is the X video driver for the Radeon
Mobility card. Does anyone have any hints on how to fix this?

Thanks,

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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[Loz]

* george donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-01 18:30]:
> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use
> up a lot of RAM or processor.

not wishing to start an 'editor war' but this sounds like an ideal 
opportunity to learn vi, or better - vim, and take the time to make a 
really nice .vimrc - google for some good examples. :)

cheers, 
/loz.


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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[george donnelly]

[Marc Wiz wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:51 PM]

>>> What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using
>>> emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is
>>> 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I
>>> find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via
>>> modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though
>>> older emmacs were).
>> 
>> bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc.
>> 
>> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use
>> up a lot of RAM or processor.
>> 
> 
> What do you consider a lot of RAM or processor?

more than a few MB per session.

> It amazes me how people used to berate emacs for it's use of resources
> yet it does one heck of a lot stuff especially considering the
> amount of resources a web browser takes.

i'm not berating it, just trying to make a decision.

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Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP - PROBLEM SOLVED

[James A. Coulter]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John DeStefano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "James A. Coulter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "freebsd-questions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP - PROBLEM


> On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT), "John DeStefano"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > "James A. Coulter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "John DeStefano"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: Dual booting FreeBSD and Windows XP
> [snip]
> > GAG worked great on my Dell Inspirion 2650 FreeBSD - XP/setup, but when
I
> > installed it on an old Gateway with Win98 - FreeBSD, it did something
> > funky.
> >
> > I get the GAG boot screen and regardless of whether I choose Win98 or
> > FreeBSD the system states it is starting Windows 98 and then, after
> > attempting to access the floppy drive, asks "Type the name of the
Command
> > Interpreter (e.g., C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM)" and finishes with the A>
> > prompt.
> >
> > Entering C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM is not recoginized by the system (it
> > repeats
> > the request for the command interpreter) and inserting a floppy with
> > COMMAND.COM results in the system freezing.
> >
> > I tried booting from floppy, worked fine, but system will not recoginize
> > the
> > c: drive.
> >
> > Uninstalling GAG only removes the GAG start-up screen, system still asks
> > for
> > the command interpreter.
> >
> > Read the GAG instructions and FAQ - no luck.
> >
> > Anyone had a problem like this? Any suggestions on how to restore my
hard
> > drive without losing any data?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > I'm no guru, but this could be as simple as re-installing GAG, removing
> > all file systems from the menu, and starting from scratch to re-add your
> > OS selections (which will take all of a minute's time).  This worked for
> > me once when I had a problem booting; something had changed on the disk
> > and GAG just needed to adjust to the change.  Give it a try.
> >
> > Failing that... I don't know whether 98 has a 'repair install' option
> > like XP does, but if so, that might be a solution.  Also might work to
> > let BSD write its boot menu to the MBR.  Maybe someone else can chime in
> > with more info.
> >
> > ~John
>
> When you get to the A: prompt, type fdisk /mbr.  If it gives you an
> error, start up the next time with a Windows restore floppy and try it
> again.  That will restore your Win98 bootloader.  Then you can try
> reinstalling GAG.  If it doesn't work, you can try FreeBSD's bootloader,
> Grub (/usr/ports/sysutils/grub), or any of several other options.
>
> Since this isn't a GAG helpline  ;-), future correspondence should
> probably be sent off-list.
>
> Jud

The Windows restore floppy worked.  Problem was caused by the hard drive
restore program (GoBack).  Once I disabled it and restored the mbr
everything worked fine.

Thanks for your help and sorry about going off-topic.  I got the GAG idea
from the -questions list and figured it might be the place to find someone
who had had the problem before.

Jim

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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[Benjamin Walkenhorst]

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On Friday, 1. August 2003 02:02, george donnelly wrote:
> thanks for the feedback. gui is not important, i guess i'm just looking for
> the neat features that everyone talks about - and with a minimum of
> resource usage as i would like to install it on a webserver as well so
> clients can use it over ssh.

Remember, GNU Emacs (and XEmacs, too, I suppose) is at its core a lisp 
interpreter. Many of Emacs' popular features are actually not "hard-wired" 
into emacs, but are add-ons written in lisp (though emacs comes with a 
helluva lot of them...). The tiny emacs-clones just emulate its look and 
superficial behaviour is the same, but they lack much of emacs' extensibility 
and customizability. 
If you just look for a small, easy-to-use editor, zile or µemacs is for you. 

GNU Emacs, on the other hand, is not that bad ressource-wise. It takes a lot 
of hard disk space, yes. It takes quite a lot of RAM for an editor, but not 
that much, either (less than 10MB on my machine, usually). CPU usage is 
pretty low (my machine: PentiumIII 450) mostly. 
You can also run GNU emacs in server mode. Users wanting to use emacs do not 
start a new instance of emacs, but just attach their client-sessions to the 
emacs-server. The main advantage I see is memory saved, and also some relief 
on the disks, for emacs remains in RAM all the time. 

kind regards,

Benjamin Walkenhorst

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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[Marc Wiz]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 01:28:40PM -0500, george donnelly wrote:
> [Marc Wiz wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 12:51 PM]
> 
> >>> What kind of bandwidth do your users have? e.g., right now I am using
> >>> emacs over ssh to a friends box, where the limiting bandwidth is
> >>> 128kbits/s (that's the upstream dsl on the remote end.), and I
> >>> find it usable. However if your users will be comming in via
> >>> modem, IMO, modern emacs is no longer usable over modem (though
> >>> older emmacs were).
> >> 
> >> bandwidth is good, 100Mbps etc.
> >> 
> >> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use
> >> up a lot of RAM or processor.
> >> 
> > 
> > What do you consider a lot of RAM or processor?
> 
> more than a few MB per session.
> 
> > It amazes me how people used to berate emacs for it's use of resources
> > yet it does one heck of a lot stuff especially considering the
> > amount of resources a web browser takes.
> 
> i'm not berating it, just trying to make a decision.

I understand.  It's just a small gripe of mine.  This thread just
gave me a chance to present the gripe :-)

Marc

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Semi OT: Linux lawsuit and FBSD

[Stephen Hovey]

The time is S ripe for a big noise to make a big impact to get people
to see the light on FBSD's superiority etc...

Ive seen some article - but nothing like what I should..

I wonder how, those of us you really know its worth, can properly toot it
!

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Re: Semi OT: Linux lawsuit and FBSD

[Adam]

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:50, Stephen Hovey wrote:
> The time is S ripe for a big noise to make a big impact to get people
> to see the light on FBSD's superiority etc...
> 
> Ive seen some article - but nothing like what I should..
> 
> I wonder how, those of us you really know its worth, can properly toot it
> !

This message belongs on freebsd-advocacy@ , not here,

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Applications crash in KDE

[Hasse Hund]

Hi everybody.
> uname -a
FreeBSD thor.swedehost.com 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0: Fri Aug  1 
16:58:59 CEST 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/THOR  
i386

Some of my applications crash on exit in KDE.
Specially kmplayer and konsole. ( Both function as supposed to, exept crashing 
when shut down. )
I have installed perl 5.8 from the ports collection. No additional config done 
by me, and upgraded all installed ports with portupgrade -arR
Both applications causing signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
Below are a snip from the Crash-handler.


(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...0x28ef4ea0 in __sys_poll ()
   from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
#0  0x28ef4ea0 in __sys_poll () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
#1  0x28ef43c8 in _thread_kern_sched_state_unlock () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
#2  0x28ef3d8e in _thread_kern_scheduler () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
#3  0x0 in ?? ()


Any suggestions or tips on how to deal with this ?

Best Regards
Geir Svalland.

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Re: emacs - gnu, x ...?

[george donnelly]

[Loz wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 8/1/03 1:27 PM]

>> i guess i'm looking for something with decent features but that will not use
>> up a lot of RAM or processor.
> 
> not wishing to start an 'editor war' but this sounds like an ideal
> opportunity to learn vi, or better - vim, and take the time to make a
> really nice .vimrc - google for some good examples. :)

I already use and like vi a lot (I use it for everything), but for reasons
which i will not go into, i need to implement/learn/use one of the emacs
family.

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How to debug fatal trap? running on vinum

[Richard Johannesson]

Had FreeBSD5.1 on a box that had a physical hard-drive failure last week.
So, this time setup the box using mirrored 200GB drives using vinum
sub-disks. Setup multiple vinum partitions to help limit any file system
corruption. One of those partitions was /dev/vinum/ports which points to
/usr/ports.

Once the machine was setup with a minimal install, then did a restore from
the image made before the original hdd failure. I've never done that before,
so there is a possibility that I might have restored a file that I should
not have.

Got ports updated using cvsup. Then did a make reinstall of
/usr/ports/x11/kde3. The last thing I saw before fatal trap & reboot was the
following:

---
===> Extracting for libxml2-2.5.8_1
>> Checksum OK for gnome/libxml2-2.5.8.tar.bz2.


Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address= 0x14
fault code   = supervisor write, page not present
instruction pointer  = 0x8:0xc02d15d9
stack pointer= 0x10:0xcdb35aa8
frame pointer= 0x10:0xcdb35adc
code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
 = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process  = 39 (buffdaemon)
trap number  = 12
panic: page fault
syncing disks, buffers remaining... panic: bremfree: removing a buffer not
on a queue
Terminate ACPI
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds -

---

Any tips on how to debug this or if there is an article that discusses how
to do this I would be very grateful for any help. The only way I know how to
fix is to rebuild everything - including setting up the vinum volume up
again. Takes too long, hoping for a better solution. Clearly a newbie.

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: Bootp Installing a Thinkpad?

[jyroscop]

John,

http://www.chuug.org/talks/index.html

It's the first listing.

Good Luck,

Stephen

> Hi there,
>
> I have just gotten my fingers on a Thinkpad 765D.  The external floppy
> drive is busted, and the thing will not boot from CD-ROM.  However,
> according to its bios settings, it should be able to netboot.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction how to set up a bootp
> install server, analogous to Solaris jumpstart, for FreeBSD?  I'd like
> to put 5.1-R on this thing, and I have a running 4.8-R server available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -John
>
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Mouse/X11 Documentation

[Frank Jahnke]

I'm writing you this message for assistance in getting my mouse wheel to
work with X11.  Yes, another one of these requests.  I have been through
the documentation (and numerous articles on the web) and yet I still
cannot get it to work.

I am running BSD 4.8 with XFree86 v4.3.0 (downloaded last week, so it
should be a very current version of the latest stable release).  My
window manager is currently Window Maker v0.80.1. The mouse is a
Logitech MouseMan Wheel, which I understand is equivalent to the
MouseMan+.

With success I have installed support for the mouse using moused for the
console drivers.  I added line allscreens_flags to my rc.conf file for
mouse support on the various virtual consoles.  That works fine.  I can
also use the same three buttons for text selection and pasting in X11.

What I cannot get to work is text scrolling using the wheel.  From
section 11.3 of the FAQ, first there is a description of /etc/XF86Config
(which is now located in /etc/X11/XF86Config) that is for XFree86 v3
only.  I currently have the 4.3 equivalent (see below) with SysMouse
replaced by Auto.  Changing from one to the other did not make a
difference, as far as I could tell.

Moving on to section 11.4 of the FAQ, I have tried without success to
use either moused or the X server for wheel support.  For the former, I
added the moused_flags line and options to rc.conf, as suggested. 
Moving now to Example 11-2, first the caption is incorrect.  It DOES
describe use of XF86Config with moused Translations, does it not?  I
needed to use an Identifier of "Mouse0" instead of "Mouse1", or else X11
would crash (again, see below).

Imwheel was downloaded and installed from the ports collection; the
configuration file moved to ~/.imwheelrc (which was used without
alteration).  No success.

Next I tried to use the X Server to translate wheel events.  The
suggested use of "MouseManPlusPS/2" was not recognized by XFree; since
BSD recognized the mouse type on boot-up, I reverted to "Auto".  Using
the device /dev/psm0 was not successful -- the device was busy, and X11
would not load.  I replaced psm0 with sysmouse.  After imwheel was
loaded, the wheel still did not scroll the screen.

I admit that it is frustrating to find files in different directories,
mislabeled headings in the documentation, and configurations that do not
work as suggested.  It feels to me that XFree86 is new, and has not been
fully incorporated into the various texts.

I am at loss on how best to proceed, and your suggestions would be most
appreciated.

Frank Jahnke, Ph.D.
President, FMJ & Associates
Auburn, CA 95604
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Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver

Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "Buttons" "5"
#Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons" "No"

# Mouse-speed setting for PS/2 mouse.

 Option "Resolution""100"

# When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment
# the following line.

#Option "Protocol"  "Xqueue"

# Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice. In
# almost every case these lines should be omitted.

#Option "BaudRate"  "9600"
#Option "SampleRate""150"

# Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice
# Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms)

#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout""50"

# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice

#Option "ChordMiddle"

EndSection


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no arp who-has replys

[Jim Flowers]

I have a network that depends on a Cisco router, not running any routing 
protocol and not under my control, getting responses to arp who-has messages 
for routing.  I just configured a 4.8-STABLE box as a router and I don't 
think it is working correctly.

My understanding is that when a router knows a route to an ip address, it is 
supposed to respond to arp who-has messages with an arp reply message giving 
its own mac address.  The fbsd router is not responding even though it has a 
correct route, has ip forwarding enabled and is seeing the arp who-has 
messages.  Shouldn't it be?

Thanks.

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Link to new Russian FreeBSD searchpage. Plz. repost.

[Hasse]

Hi.
Saw a link to a new Russian FreeBSD searchpage here in the archive a couple of 
days ago. Unfortunately I've lost it and am not able to search the 
mailarchives at FreeBSD.org

Will sombody please post the link again ?
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Re: Applications crash in KDE

[Antoine Jacoutot]

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On Friday 01 August 2003 21:02, Hasse Hund wrote:
> Below are a snip from the Crash-handler.

Are you using the NVidia binary drivers ?

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Re: Applications crash in KDE

[Hasse]

Yes, downloaded from http://www.nvidia.com
Didn't get the one from ports to build.
It seems like something got built threaded, that's not supposed to.
/Geir.

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>
> Are you using the NVidia binary drivers ?
>
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Re: Applications crash in KDE

[Antoine Jacoutot]

Selon Hasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Yes, downloaded from http://www.nvidia.com
> Didn't get the one from ports to build.
> It seems like something got built threaded, that's not supposed to.
> /Geir.

OK, so you have to recompile qt (and kde) with the following option:
-DWITHOUT_OPENGL

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Re: Link to new Russian FreeBSD searchpage. Plz. repost.

[Hasse]

http://freebsd.rambler.ru/
On Friday 01 August 2003 22.24, Hasse wrote:
> Hi.
> Saw a link to a new Russian FreeBSD searchpage here in the archive a couple
> of days ago. Unfortunately I've lost it and am not able to search the
> mailarchives at FreeBSD.org
>
> Will sombody please post the link again ?

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Re: Applications crash in KDE

[Hasse]

Hi Antoine.
Will do.
Thx a lot.
/Geir.
On Friday 01 August 2003 22.53, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
> Selon Hasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Yes, downloaded from http://www.nvidia.com
> > Didn't get the one from ports to build.
> > It seems like something got built threaded, that's not supposed to.
> > /Geir.
>
> OK, so you have to recompile qt (and kde) with the following option:
> -DWITHOUT_OPENGL
>
> Antoine
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Re: Applications crash in KDE

[Hasse]

That will be KDE-Base ?
/Geir.

On Friday 01 August 2003 22.53, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
> Selon Hasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Yes, downloaded from http://www.nvidia.com
> > Didn't get the one from ports to build.
> > It seems like something got built threaded, that's not supposed to.
> > /Geir.
>
> OK, so you have to recompile qt (and kde) with the following option:
> -DWITHOUT_OPENGL
>
> Antoine
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Xdm and the XDMPC CHooser.. How?

[Julian Elischer]

What I wan tis relatively simple.
however I can't seem to get it quite right..



I have 4 machines that can run X clients and sessions
I have one machine that has an X server.

I would like to have XDM throw up a chooser menu that contains all 5
machines.

I can get the 4 machines, but the 5th
says "unwilling".

OR with a change of Xaccess I can get the single machine...


ok... examples with 1 possible client machine and one Xserver machine
scenario 1
on client.. Xaccess:

 --
   *
 --
Xservers:
---
  empty file (except comments)
---
 Xdm is running:

xdm_config:

...
!DisplayManager.requestPort:0




on server:
 Xaccess:

---
 * CHOOSER localhost client
---

Xservers:

  empty file


Xdm running

xdm_config:

...
!DisplayManager.requestPort:0



Result:
If I type 

  X -indirect localhost

I get a menu of machines..
'client'
'localhost'

localhost says "not willing to [rest truncated on window]"
client says it is available.

If I click on client.. nothing happens
ditto for localhost.


--

Scenareo 2
change the local Xaccess to show:

'*'

if I do:
X -indirect localhost
I get a blank X server display

if I do:
X -query localhost

I get the regular xdm screen and everything works as normal, except
that I never get the oportunity to start a session to another machine.

I know I've seen this working once... but it wasn;tme that set it up...

Anyone have xdm clues?


julian


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Re: Bootp Installing a Thinkpad?

[John Morgan Salomon]

Brilliant--many thanks.

After some more poking around, I also found this (I'd missed it because I
never heard of PXE before):

http://matt.simerson.net/computing/freebsd.netboot.shtml

Cheers,

-John


> John,
>
> http://www.chuug.org/talks/index.html
>
> It's the first listing.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Stephen
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have just gotten my fingers on a Thinkpad 765D.  The external floppy
>> drive is busted, and the thing will not boot from CD-ROM.  However,
>> according to its bios settings, it should be able to netboot.
>>
>> Can someone point me in the right direction how to set up a bootp
>> install server, analogous to Solaris jumpstart, for FreeBSD?  I'd like
>> to put 5.1-R on this thing, and I have a running 4.8-R server available.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -John
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Re: Applications crash in KDE

[Hasse]

Thx a lot Antoine.
Recompiling qt -DWITHOUT_OPENGL did the trick.
/Geir.

On Friday 01 August 2003 22.53, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
> Selon Hasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Yes, downloaded from http://www.nvidia.com
> > Didn't get the one from ports to build.
> > It seems like something got built threaded, that's not supposed to.
> > /Geir.
>
> OK, so you have to recompile qt (and kde) with the following option:
> -DWITHOUT_OPENGL
>
> Antoine

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Re: Multiple screens TV and Monitor??

[Frank Knobbe]

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 13:24, kristof wrote:
> Does anybody know how you to configure your Xfreeconfig file so that
> it can lanch two X windows at the same time. I would like te be able
> to view my screen on my tv and monitor at the same time. I can do it
> separatly(TV or Monitor) but it has to be possible to have twinview. I
> have an NVIDIA Geforce 4 MX 440 SE and I'm pretty sure it supports
> this feature (Works in WINDHOOS). Any links with information or advice
> on how to adchieve this would be very welkom

Kristof,

this should be explained in the documentation or FAQ of the Nvidia Linux
driver. There is a "twinview" keyword that enables TwinView in X. There
are also a couple other options that specify the second display, it's
screen size, and where (layout-wise) it is located in relation to the
primary display.

I have my Xconfig file for TwinView attached. It enables my TFT display
(DFP) (Inspiron 8100 with GeForce2 Go) and the external monitor (CRT).
The keyword for the TV output I believe is just "TV". All those things
are in the DEVICE section. Use the attached stuff as an example and
modify it to fit your needs.

Hope this helps,
Frank


PS: Anyone know a decent and not too expensive TFT flat screen capable
of 1600x1200?




Section "ServerFlags"
# Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is 
# received.  This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may
# provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging

# NoTrapSignals

# Uncomment this to disable the  server abort sequence
# This allows clients to receive this key event.

DontZap

# Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching
# sequences.  This allows clients to receive these key events.

 DontZoom
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "NVIDIA GeForce 2"
VendorName "NVIDIA"
BoardName  "GeForce2 Go"
Driver "nvidia"
VideoRam   32768
#Option "FlatPanelScalingMode" "scaled"
Option "CursorShadow" "On"
Option "CursorShadowXOffset" "2"
Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP,CRT"
Option "TwinView" "On"
#Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "90"
#Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "80"
Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf"
#Option "MetaModes" "1600x1200,1024x768;"
#Option "MetaModes" "1024x768,1600x1200;"
Option "MetaModes" "[EMAIL PROTECTED],1600x1200;"
Option "UseEdidFreqs" "On"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"bitmap"
Load"extmod"
Load"dbe"
Load"type1"
Load"glx"
Load"freetype"

EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen"
Device  "NVIDIA GeForce 2"
Monitor "Dell 1600X Laptop Display Panel"
DefaultColorDepth 24

Subsection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1600x1200" 
#Modes   "1024x768" 
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection

#Section "ServerLayout"
#Identifier "Normal"
#InputDevice "Mouse" "CorePointer"
#InputDevice "Keyboard" "CoreKeyboard"
#EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
#Option  "Protocol" "PS/2"
#Option  "Protocol" "IntelliMouse"
#Option  "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
  
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
#Option "Protocol" "Xqueue"

#   Emulate3Buttons
#   Emulate3Timeout50
EndSection

Section "Files"

# The location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the name of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db").  There is normally
# no need to change the default.

RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.

FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"

ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"

EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard"
Driver  "Keyboard"
Option  "Protocol" "Standard"
Option  "AutoRepeat" "250 12"

# Option Protocol   "Xqueue"

# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
# Xleds  1 2 3

# To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, 
# RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock:

#LeftAlt Meta
#RightAltMeta
#ScrollLock  Compose
#RightCtlControl

Question about portsdb -uU

[Hasse]

Hi everybody.
I have a question about portsdb -uU
After a ports cvsup, does it replace the command make index in /usr/ports ?
Or do you recommend to use both ?
Someone told me portsdb -uU is a lot faster, but it don't seem to be that on 
my computers.
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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Paul Beard]

 
On Friday, August 01, 2003, at 08:03AM, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 03:24, W. D. wrote:
>> You will then 
>> have had an "out of the box" experience, or "OBE".
>
>Why must we insist on confusing non-English patrons? 
>
>OBE means 'out of body experience', and is completely different from the
>current topic.

No, it means Order of the British Empire, as English-speaking patrons are doubtless 
aware.  

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Re: How to remove ^M character

[Paul Beard]

 
On Friday, August 01, 2003, at 01:31AM, Anil Garg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I ftp'd a file from windows to freebsdnot its every line has ^M at its
>end.
>Is there some command in vi (or some way) by whcih ^M can be removed.
>

got room for one more? 

perl -pi -e s#\\r#\\n#g 

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Installing BSD version 4.8

[Ryan Coughlin]

I am currently trying to install FreeBSD on a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop.  The 
configuration was going well but when I try to configure (i.e. run pccardd) the 
wireless network card (SMC 2632W), the system hangs up.  At one point, the card was 
working but when trying to configure the XWindows interface, everything went haywire 
so I blew away the BSD install and reinstalled.  I have done a deinstall/reinstall 
several times and still the same result.  I know the card works because I installed 
Windows 2000 Server after experiencing this problem and everything with the card 
worked fine.  Do I need a package for the SMC card?  Possible IRQ conflict?  Any help 
or insight you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Results of pccardd:

Aug 1 18:33:28 pccardd[149]: Card "SMC"("SMC2632W") [Version 01.02] [] matched 
"SMC" (SMC2632W") [)null)] [(null)]
wi0 at port 0x240-0x27f irq 11 slot 0 on pccard0

At this point the machine hangs...

Results of uname -a:

FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE #0:  Thu Apr 3 10:53:38 GMT 2003   [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386

Thanks,
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Frontpage perils

[Mark]

I just installed apache+mod_ssl-1.3.28+2.8.15 (FreeBSD 4.7R). Having some
serious trouble integrating Frontpage 5, though. I installed the package,
and it seemingly integrated just fine:

lynx --head --source http://asarian-host.net:90/overview.html

Server: Apache/1.3.28 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2623 PHP/4.3.1 mod_ssl/2.8.15
OpenSSL/0.9.6g mod_perl/1.26

So far, so good; then I ran the install script:

asarian-host: {root} % /usr/local/frontpage/version5.0/fp_install.sh


Step 3.  Upgrading/Installing the extensions

Checking for previous versions of FrontPage Server Extensions to upgrade...
You have an older version of FrontPage Server Extensions installed (4.0).
Would you like to migrate these settings to version 5.0 now (y/n) [Y]?

Checking for existing web servers to upgrade...

Existing web servers were found; do you want to upgrade them now?
(If you answer "no", you can safely run this script again and answer "yes"
to upgrade your servers later.)

Upgrade now (y/n) [Y]?  y

All existing servers will now be upgraded:

Upgrading using configuration file:
/usr/local/frontpage/someone.asarian-host.net:80.cnf
Verifying web server configuration...
This version of FrontPage Server Extensions does not suppport
apache servers.  We only support patched apache servers.


Say what? :) Does not support apache servers? Then what have I been
compiling for, the last half day? I must be missing some step in the
process. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

- Mark

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Update to 5.1

[root]

Hello,

I'm trying to update my 4.8 STABLE FreeBSD box to RELENG_5_1_0_RELEASE and
I get the following errors when making buildworld

building shared library libkse.so.1
thr_libc.So: In function `sigaction':
thr_libc.So(.text+0x54): multiple definition of `_sigaction'
thr_sigaction.So(.text+0x0): first defined here
thr_libc.So: In function `sigprocmask':
thr_libc.So(.text+0x34): multiple definition of `_sigprocmask'
thr_sigprocmask.So(.text+0x0): first defined here
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libpthread.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib.
*** Error code 1

Any idea whats wrong with that ? I just cvsuped to RELENG_5_1_0_RELEASE.
This is what I'm running now
FreeBSD core-E3.valcea.net 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #33: Sat Jul  5 23:20:40 EEST 
2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUSTOM  i386

Thanks,

Marian

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Re: Frontpage perils

[Nick Rogness]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Mark wrote:

> I just installed apache+mod_ssl-1.3.28+2.8.15 (FreeBSD 4.7R). Having
> some serious trouble integrating Frontpage 5, though. I installed the
> package, and it seemingly integrated just fine:
>
> lynx --head --source http://asarian-host.net:90/overview.html
>
> Server: Apache/1.3.28 (Unix) FrontPage/5.0.2.2623 PHP/4.3.1
> mod_ssl/2.8.15 OpenSSL/0.9.6g mod_perl/1.26
>
> So far, so good; then I ran the install script:
>
> asarian-host: {root} % /usr/local/frontpage/version5.0/fp_install.sh
>
> 
> Step 3.  Upgrading/Installing the extensions
>
> Checking for previous versions of FrontPage Server Extensions to
upgrade...
> You have an older version of FrontPage Server Extensions installed
> (4.0). Would you like to migrate these settings to version 5.0 now (y/n)
> [Y]?
>
> Checking for existing web servers to upgrade...
>
> Existing web servers were found; do you want to upgrade them now? (If
> you answer "no", you can safely run this script again and answer "yes"
> to upgrade your servers later.)
>
> Upgrade now (y/n) [Y]?  y
>
> All existing servers will now be upgraded:
>
> Upgrading using configuration file:
> /usr/local/frontpage/someone.asarian-host.net:80.cnf
> Verifying web server configuration...
> This version of FrontPage Server Extensions does not suppport
> apache servers.  We only support patched apache servers.
> 

>
> Say what? :) Does not support apache servers? Then what have I been
> compiling for, the last half day? I must be missing some step in the
> process. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
>

All you should have to do is:

# cd /usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl && make install
# cd /usr/ports/www/mod_frontpage && make install

If all goes well you should have everything you need installed.  I
personally don't use the fp_install.sh script...I think it sucks.
If I need to install frontpage extentions on a website I do the
following:

1) Add the VirtualHost to the main httpd.conf file (must
   be in the main httpd.conf file):


  ServerName www.domain.com
  ServerAlias domain.com
  DocumentRoot /home/jim/public_html
  UserDir disabled


2) Install extensions with the owsadm.exe tool (execute
   the line wrap):

# cd /usr/local/frontpage/version5.0/bin
# ./owsadm.exe -o install -u jimfpuser -p 80 \
-m "www.domain.com" \
-servconf "/usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf" \
-xuser jim


3) Restart apache:  # apachectl restart


It should prompt you for a password...which is the FRONTPAGE
password for the FRONTPAGE user 'jimfpuser' as seen above.
jimfpuser doesn't need to exist anywhere on the systemm, but you
will need to use it with the frontpage client to connect to
www.domain.com.

Now, there are some gotcha's with frontpage.  First off,  make
sure the owner and group owner of files located in the /home/jim/*
directories are above uid=100 and gid=100.  Make sure the user jim
is created in the unix system password file and his home dir and
public_html dir exist or this will fail. Make sure mod_frontpage
is running. If you installed in the order above, mod_frontpage
may only be loaded when mod_ssl is loaded ('apachectl startssl').
I'm only touching the brim of problems with frontpage...

Finding complete documentation on the frontpage owsadm.exe command
blows.  You will have to experiment or visit microsoft.com and try
to interpret their ramblings.  I will also gladly try to answer
any questions if I know the answer.

Nick Rogness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
  How many people here have telekenetic powers? Raise my hand.
-Emo Philips



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How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions

[Greg Lehey]

How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions.
===

Last update $Date: 2003/03/09 22:09:31 $

This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list.  If
you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender
thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your
message:

- You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate.
- You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read.
- You asked more than one unrelated question in one message.
- You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone.
- You sent out the same message more than once.
- You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions.

If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you
will get more than one copy of this message from different people.
Read on, and your next message will be more successful.

This document is also available on the web at
http://www.lemis.com/questions.html.

=

Contents:

I:Introduction
II:   How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
III:  Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers?
IV:   How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions
V:How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions

I: Introduction
===

This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from
FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the
questions (the "hackers").

   Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking
   into other people's computers.  The correct term for the latter
   activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out
   yet.  The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking
   security, and have nothing to do with it.

In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the
different viewpoints of the two groups.  The newcomers accused the
hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers
accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English,
and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.  Of
course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the
most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration.

In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration
and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions.  In the
following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that,
we'll look at how to answer one.

II:  How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
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If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going
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FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers.  In addition, the
FreeBSD-newbies l

"The Complete FreeBSD": errata and addenda

[Greg Lehey]

The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.  The result is that most leading edge
computer books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception.  Inevitably, a
number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

"The Complete FreeBSD" has been through a total of five editions, including its
predecessor "Installing and Running FreeBSD".  Two of these have been reprinted
with corrections.  I maintain a series of errata pages.  Start at
http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata
information.

Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing?  Please
let me know: I'm constantly updating it.

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Re: How to remove ^M character

[parv]

in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
wrote Paul Beard thusly...
>
> got room for one more? 
> 
> perl -pi -e s#\\r#\\n#g 

Doesn't work...

  file p
  p: ASCII text

  unixdos p q
  UnixDos 1.0.13 - SUMMARY: A total of 3 end of line characters were modified.

  file p q
  p: ASCII text
  q: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators

  perl -pi -e 's#\\r#\\n#g' q  # quotes are mine

  file p q
  p: ASCII text
  q: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators


This works...

  perl -pi -e 's/\r$//g' q

  file p q
  p: ASCII text
  q: ASCII text


  - Parv

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USB Printer

[om52]

I have USB Printer Lexmarkz 35. How i can printing with it in FreeBSD
(I have 4.5 ; recompilled kernel - add device pcm)? How tune it?
System seeing it: command usbdevs gives answer something like this:
addr 1: ...
 addr 2: ..jet printer Lexmark z35.


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[no subject]

[om52]

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How to use USB printer ?

[om52]

Hello! I have USB Printer Lexmarkz 35. How i can printing with it
in FreeBSD(I have 4.5 ; recompilled kernel - add device pcm and usb
printer)?

I haven't any drivers for this printer(only distributed for Windows.

How tune this printer to work under FreeBSD?
System seeing it: command "usbdevs" gives answer something like this:
addr 1: ...
 addr 2: ..jet color printer Lexmark z35.
 

  

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Re: NIS groups -yp_mkdb: error data too long

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Jul 31), Alvaro Rosales R. said:
> Hi guys I got this error when I make my NIS maps , I have a group 
> in my group file that has 50 users and yp_mkdb complains about it 
> with this error .yp_mkdb: data too long
> Any ideas?

A line in your group file is over 1024 bytes.  That doesn't seem right,
though, since you should be able to put 110 8-character usernames (plus
commas) in a group line without overflowing it.

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Re: Groff issues with latest FreeBSD-4.x build

[Lowell Gilbert]

Forrest Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I just rebuilt the entire system from CVS, and still get this problem:
> 
> # man man
> Formatting page, please wait...troff: fatal error: can't find macro
> file tty-char
> Done.
> 
> This can't be that complex of an issue, which is probably why I'm
> still figuring it out.   Doesn't the 'man' command need to find its
> tmac files in /usr/share/tmac?  If so, then there's something wrong
> with the man configuration somewhere (something I'm not familiar with).
> 
> Any pointers would really be appreciated, nobody else responded.


Hmm.  Not exactly my thing, but what happens if you try the formatting
directly?  

zcat /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz |nroff -man
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Re: Groff issues with latest FreeBSD-4.x build

[Forrest Aldrich]

Hi there,

When I do that, the same exact thing happens... and it's not making any 
sense to me.   What database(s) are dependent upon by "man"?

# zcat /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz |nroff -man
troff: fatal error: can't find macro file tty-char


Forrest

At 11:21 PM 8/1/2003, you wrote:
Forrest Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I just rebuilt the entire system from CVS, and still get this problem:
>
> # man man
> Formatting page, please wait...troff: fatal error: can't find macro
> file tty-char
> Done.
>
> This can't be that complex of an issue, which is probably why I'm
> still figuring it out.   Doesn't the 'man' command need to find its
> tmac files in /usr/share/tmac?  If so, then there's something wrong
> with the man configuration somewhere (something I'm not familiar with).
>
> Any pointers would really be appreciated, nobody else responded.
Hmm.  Not exactly my thing, but what happens if you try the formatting
directly?
zcat /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz |nroff -man
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Re: What is OUT OF THE BOX

[Bob Hall]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:42:46PM -0700, Paul Beard wrote:
>  
> On Friday, August 01, 2003, at 08:03AM, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 03:24, W. D. wrote:
> >> You will then 
> >> have had an "out of the box" experience, or "OBE".
> >
> >Why must we insist on confusing non-English patrons? 
> >
> >OBE means 'out of body experience', and is completely different from the
> >current topic.
> 
> No, it means Order of the British Empire, as English-speaking patrons are doubtless 
> aware.  

Actually, it means Officer of the Order of the British Empire. KBE is 
Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire. OB is a vehicle 
registration symbol for Birmingham (Great Britain), and KB is Koninkrijk 
Belgie. So Bill Gates claim that no one needs more than 64 KB of memory 
is true. Personally, there isn't room in my brain for more than one 
Belgian of memory, as English-speaking patrons (ESP) are doubtless aware. 

What was it the OP (Old Persian) wanted to know?
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