Re: [Freedos-user] old machines

2012-12-31 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Andrew Robins arob...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I was the gent Dennis McC mentions having Puppy Linux running in an old
 machine in the thread Install basic Puppy on a computer with 16 Mb
 RAM.

Sad that nobody cares for old machines anymore. There are way more of
them than new ones. But I guess new is cheap enough and
(sometimes) works where old doesn't.

 Now very recently I *finally* acquired a 44-pin IDE adapter for a 16GB
 SD-card, to replace the original 1358MB PATA. This was done for greater
 performance, cooler running etc. Avoided the CF-card route, thanks also
 to earlier discussions in this forum. Now all my searches suggested that
 the latest BIOS for that Toshiba would handle the FreeDOS 1.1
 installation from CD, and even despite scaling back to a 2GB SD card,
 and trying a similar install on a 196MB RAM Portege 3480CT - I still ran
 into problems (Very difficult getting around the PCMCIA CD-drive issue
 in the latter case).

So your BIOS won't boot from CD? You could maybe (?) try Smart Boot
Manager (via floppy), which claims to subvert that need.

 Even formatting the hard drive via the early instal
 steps on the CD failed to There were some unusual, but mostly cosmetic
 error messages returned that didn't appear with the installation of
 FreeDOS 1.0. I made notes - misplaced during the Christmas buzz - but
 can dig them out again if anyone wants.

DOS is not difficult to install. But multi-boot can (over)complicate
everything. If it worked in FD 1.0, it should also work in FD 1.1. If
not, that's probably an accidental regression (which is sadly too easy
with so few testers).

 After some trial-and-error I realized that I was missing a bootloader
 all along. I installed GRUB4DOS and away I go now - but for the install
 of a single OS, Grub etc shouldn't be normally required?

No, it's not needed.

 Is there a
 bootloader stage in the latest install process that has been omitted
 somehow?

Doubtful. SYS.COM is used to copy the boot sector (and usually kernel
and shell files: KERNEL.SYS, COMMAND.COM).

My main machine was using BOOTMGR (from BTTR) fine (with three OSes)
installed to the MBR (with appropriate partition tables), but the fan
and hard drive just died a few days ago (yuck), so now :-P

 I wasn't able to install FreeDOS 1.1 from the CD, but I cloned
 the original PATA drive to the 2GB SD with no further issue. So I have
 just a few requests for the installation process as a FreeDOS user:

 1) clearer instructions on how to do the copy CD onto HD route for
 installation. There's info buried in the ISO, but I only found it once,

It's something like just normal file copying, concatenating back into
one piece, and then using SHSUCDHD (possibly with SHCDX33F or whatever
loaded). Sorry, never tried personally. Some suggested grabbing via
network (if existing packet driver works) might be easier for upgrades
if booting from CD is inconvenient or if copying lots of stuff via
floppies is too tedious.

 2) some installation workarounds for the if you have a PCMCIA
 cd-rom..., and

Yuck, heh. Dunno, most of us have never messed with PCMCIA. Or at
least I never did.

 3) improved format /system HD / bootloader process.

a). fdisk (create FAT, active, bootable)
b). reboot
c). (quick?) format FAT
d). sys a: c: (copies kernel, shell, and boot sector)
e). manually install other stuff (unzip, xcopy, etc.)

 That's about all the feedback I have for the time being. Apologies if
 some of the above issues have been addressed elsewhere and I've skimmed
 over it,

Hope this helps (or someone chimes in better). Sorry if it's not good
enough. Sometimes good ol' InnerTubez tech support just doesn't cut
it. Try searching some FD-related FAQs or wikis. (I don't know which
is up, up-to-date, or available, so I can't say for sure. It's too
many little pieces to keep up with honestly, sorry.)

Just don't give up. There's bound to be (some) answers out there.

 Thanks, and
 Happy New Year

You too.o|:-P

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[Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread iw2evk

Hi at all,

whath is the right and shorth procedure for create a freedos 1.1 booting
live cd?

Thanks

iw2evk Roberto

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Re: [Freedos-user] USB mobile,Broad Band device

2012-12-31 Thread iw2evk

No usb device like usb wifi pens or usb UMTS exist for a lack of drivers in
dos .only exist older pcmcia 11 mb/sec wifi card (orinoco)
For browser (graphics) you can try 

http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/detail?name=DILLODOS_beta2.zipcan=2q=

or UNDER HX EXTENDER owb browser (read carefully this)

http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=7636

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Garry Ricketson wrote:
 
 
 Hello, everyone,
  Dose anyone know if a USB mobile broad band device can be used with
 FreeDos,?
 Also if any other browsers are available? I have been trying with
 ARACHNE, but no luck, If anyone can help on this, it would be greatly
 appreciated. I am using a older computer, also with a alternate version,
 of xubuntu,(linux), and the broad band device dose work, however it would
 be nice to get it working with FreeDos,on my dos partition if that is
 possible,..
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] WordStar documents

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Hall
Probably not including it in the FreeDOS distro or the software list, since
that is for software that is generally useful to lots of people and
converting Wordstar docs is more of a one-time need. But I'll happily add
this as a news item on the website and possibly mirror a copy of the GPL
software to our archive at ibiblio. That seems a good idea.

JH

On Dec 30, 2012 11:51 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the same site:

 This program includes GPL license, may be you can consider to include it
on FreeDOS distro or in the software list


http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters?download=1:wsconen

 El 31/12/2012 01:11 a.m., Marco Achury escribió:


 Following this theme from another thread:

 Word Star internal format is relativelly simple, in DOS era many
programs import WS data, and other programs as NortonCommander file manager
included WS viewer in order to quick see the text inside WS document.

 Check at:

 http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters
 http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads


 This program look OK, includes C source, convert WS to RTF.


http://www.wordstar.org/index.php/downloads/downloads-fileconverters?download=5:wsrtf

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[Freedos-user] Re (2): old machines

2012-12-31 Thread peasthope
From:   Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com
Date:   Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:05:05 -0600
 Sad that nobody cares for old machines anymore. There are way more of
 them than new ones. But I guess new is cheap enough and
 (sometimes) works where old doesn't.

My most used workstation is a Pentium S 133 MHz with an Ethernet 
connection to a Linux router.  

 So your BIOS won't boot from CD? You could maybe (?) try Smart Boot
 Manager (via floppy), which claims to subvert that need.

What about temporarily connecting the target drive to another 
machine where the installer works?  After installing the OS and 
replacing the drive, adjust boot parameters for the target machine.

Regards,... Peter E.

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Re: [Freedos-user] USB mobile,Broad Band device

2012-12-31 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:

 No usb device like usb wifi pens or usb UMTS exist for a lack of drivers
 in
 dos .only exist older pcmcia 11 mb/sec wifi card (orinoco)

 As mentioned earlier, you can go a bit more wired:
 Even simple broadband routers like Edimax 3G-6200N
 (30 Euro?) today allow you to plug in UMTS / 3G /
 HSDPA / CDMA USB modem sticks, so they connect to
 the outside world through either the stick or DSL
 and connect to your computer through normal network
 cable (LAN / RJ45) or WLAN / WiFi (IEEE 802.11 with
 various variants). Of course this means you may need
 cable between the router and your DOS computer, but
 at least it allows you to get DOS online via UMTS,
 even if neither UMTS nor WLAN drivers are available.
 If you are lucky and have WLAN drivers but no UMTS
 drivers for DOS, you do not even need the cable :-)

Don't forget emulation. Sadly, I never got FDNPKG to work under
VirtualBox (oddly), though Mateusz swears it works for him (and DOSEMU
with appropriate [arcane] settings). At least with emulation you can
use your laptop wirelessly, if needed (or desired or if running a
cable from router is too long).

I know emulation isn't a perfect solution by any means, not to mention
slowness and bugs, but sometimes it works okay.

 For browser (graphics) you can try

 http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/detail?name=DILLODOS_beta2.zipcan=2q=

 In other words, a DOS port of the small but
 modern browser Dillo :-)

Yes, Dillo is excellent. Though I do wonder whether Georg's build or
whats-his-face's [EDIT: Benjamin Johnson's] DPlus build (June 2012) is
ultimately preferred. (But I get the impression that DPlus will see
fewer updates, if any, for the foreseeable future. And similarly Georg
is always busy with new projects, heh. Still, awesome progress so far,
so I'm definitely not complaining. Having a port of Dillo at all is no
small miracle.)

http://dplus-browser.sourceforge.net/

 or UNDER HX EXTENDER owb browser (read carefully this)

 http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=7636

 Both are probably much better than classic Arachne,
 although the latter might be nice on 486ish PC if
 you install it on ramdisk to make speed acceptable.

I wouldn't bother with OWB. What advantages does it have (if any)?
Seems much less convenient than Dillo or Arachne. BTW, Ray Andrews had
a fork of Arachne with some cleanups, but I'm not sure how polished
and stable it is. I know he could use some help (assuming he's still
working on it), but it was yet another thing to do (that I wasn't
really qualified for anyways, as always). But it sounded interesting
at least (and is mirrored on Glenn's main site, IIRC).

BTW, Mik's old Elinks port worked pretty well in FreeDOS too. And, to
a lesser extent, Lynx will (mostly) work if you compile from sources
(or use an older build).

The real biggest problems nowadays are all the new web technologies:
 Flash, HTML5/CSS, Javascript, Unicode, etc. (It used to be all we had
to worry about was image formats, tables, frames, etc. Ah, the older /
simpler / crappier days.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 31-12-2012 13:32, iw2evk schreef:

 Hi at all,

 whath is the right and shorth procedure for create a freedos 1.1 booting
 live cd?

There's no full-proof method yet as that also means specifying which 
program you use to create the master ISO.

mkisofs -R -D -V FreeDOS 1.0b -o /tmp/fdbasecd-remastered.iso -b \
  ./isolinux/isolinux.bin -c ./isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \
  -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table ./

is what Eric Auer once wrote, but specific to Linux.

If all you want to do is write a downloaded ISO to (re)writeable optical 
disc, then use some CD recording program (CDRECORD or WODIM, or on 
Windows programs like IMGBURN) and point them to your CD-image file 
(FD11SRC.ISO or FDBOOTCD.ISO file).

CD-writing under DOS is very rare as most Unix-ported ISO9660-tools 
depend on a SCSI subsystem, thus requiring a SCSI or ASPI driver for 
your SCSI/IDE controller to which the CD-drive is connected. With no 
publicly redistributable ASPI driver, people generally are out of luck.

 P.s have a good 2013!!

Same :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Printer Drivers needed for old DOS programs

2012-12-31 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Karen Lewellen
klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

 well not exactly.
 At present wordperfect will only let you print using the parallel port,
 which is why i
 suggested this, you  mentioned you could use this.

Would DOSEMU also work? I just assume copy blah.txt PRN works there
(haven't tried!).   ;-)

 Additionally, the wordprefect printer drivers for dos page update in
 November 2012, does not recommend the c4680.  It does not mean that you cannot
 print using wp for dos however.  Edwin provides instructions for printing
 with wp for dos using any windows printer.

You mean this site?   http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/

BTW, I swear my aunt found an old book (paperback) copy of
Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS recently. I have no idea why she buys some
of the things she does, but obviously it was (vaguely) interesting to
me, even if I only use DOS but not Wordperfect!. (In other words, if
anybody would find this book to be a useful second-hand purchase,
please contact me. I assume my aunt would offer a reasonable price,
but I'll have to nag her, if needed.)

 I might add for those who hinted that no one writes printer drivers for
 dos, he most certainly does even for printing in 64 bit environments.
 There is information for using wp in Linux there is even one for Linux
 if you have this instead.

Ah yes, now I see, it does recommend DOSEMU [+ cups-bsd ?] under
Linux. (Kinda confusing having ten bazillion pages, one for each OS,
heh.)

BTW, I take minor issue with the suggestion to buy only WinXP and
not update the KB that broke EMS. Windows Update will probably just
nag until you do it, or they might eventually make it mandatory (ugh).
I'd suggest EMSMagic (TSR) as workaround. Heck, even Nidud (of Doszip)
made his own temporary EMS server as a quick hack for this.

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Re: [Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread iw2evk

Hi and good 2013!

I've burning fdsrc1.1. from freedos site, but it'a a Install only disk.
I'm intersted to boot freedos from cd (for use in pc with loaded another
o.s..
I due change autorun.inf and setup.bat for starting boot of freedos from CD?
(live cd mode like linux distro)

Thanks

Roberto iw2evk



Bernd Blaauw wrote:
 
 Op 31-12-2012 13:32, iw2evk schreef:

 Hi at all,

 whath is the right and shorth procedure for create a freedos 1.1 booting
 live cd?
 
 There's no full-proof method yet as that also means specifying which 
 program you use to create the master ISO.
 
 mkisofs -R -D -V FreeDOS 1.0b -o /tmp/fdbasecd-remastered.iso -b \
   ./isolinux/isolinux.bin -c ./isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot \
   -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table ./
 
 is what Eric Auer once wrote, but specific to Linux.
 
 If all you want to do is write a downloaded ISO to (re)writeable optical 
 disc, then use some CD recording program (CDRECORD or WODIM, or on 
 Windows programs like IMGBURN) and point them to your CD-image file 
 (FD11SRC.ISO or FDBOOTCD.ISO file).
 
 CD-writing under DOS is very rare as most Unix-ported ISO9660-tools 
 depend on a SCSI subsystem, thus requiring a SCSI or ASPI driver for 
 your SCSI/IDE controller to which the CD-drive is connected. With no 
 publicly redistributable ASPI driver, people generally are out of luck.
 
 P.s have a good 2013!!
 
 Same :)
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 31-12-2012 19:11, iw2evk schreef:

 Hi and good 2013!

Thanks, same to you. Couple of more hours to go here, in the Netherlands.

 I've burning fdsrc1.1. from freedos site, but it'a a Install only disk.
 I'm intersted to boot freedos from cd (for use in pc with loaded another
 o.s..

It's a bootable CD just like any Linux distro. The autorun.inf is for 
additional Windows features, and trying to run SETUP.BAT should also 
warn you that you can't run all of SETUP.BAT in Windows.

What the CD does, is getting started by BIOS. Then it loads Isolinux as 
the bootloader, reads isolinux.cfg, shows a menu, loads a diskette image 
into memory as drive A:, boots that, loads CD drivers, accesses the CD, 
finds and executes SETUP.BAT on the CD.

Once SETUP.BAT is running it will show you an installation menu.

Just burn the FreeDOS ISO just like any random Linux ISO file.
(burn image in ImageBurn program), not as some datafile
(and also don't extract the contents and put that on CD)

Bernd

 I due change autorun.inf and setup.bat for starting boot of freedos from CD?
 (live cd mode like linux distro)

There's no need to change anything. Modifying CD content and recreating 
an ISO is a tricky business.

Bernd


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Re: [Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread bruce.bowman tds.net
I can readily make you one. I'm not going to do it tonight, though. It is
new year's eve, after all.

Give me 24 hours and I'll provide a link to an ISO that you can download.
If you can give me some idea of what you plan to do with it I can better
accommodate you.

Be advised that FreeDOS will not be able to find any non-FAT partition on
your computer.

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On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:32 AM, iw2evk marinellucc...@tiscali.it wrote:


 Hi at all,

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 live cd?

 Thanks

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Re: [Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread bruce.bowman tds.net
Just booting a CD and getting to a FreeDOS prompt is something I can
provide without difficulty. If you want to build a custom CD of some sort
using FreeDOS as the OS you can use the instructions at
http://www.k1ea.com/hints/Creating_a_Bootable_DOS_CD_V%201.5.pdf

Depending on what drivers etc you want to load you will have to build your
own floppy disk image using Virtual Floppy Drive (VFD).

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[Freedos-user] New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder

2012-12-31 Thread jp_freedos
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MS-DOS. DOS is still a popular system, and plenty of hardware out
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Re: [Freedos-user] How create a booting freddos cd live

2012-12-31 Thread iw2evk

Hi and happy 2013.

My simple request it :

A cd with latest freedos 1.1. full  (no source)and utily files like doslfn
etc.
I boot the freedos from cd , then i can load usb utility from Breth and
manage programs located in USB key.
Only request it's XMS and EMS .
I use this configuration for programming via rs232 many kinds of
transceivers (Motorola, icom etc).
Thath's all..

Roberto





bruce.bowman wrote:
 
 Just booting a CD and getting to a FreeDOS prompt is something I can
 provide without difficulty. If you want to build a custom CD of some sort
 using FreeDOS as the OS you can use the instructions at
 http://www.k1ea.com/hints/Creating_a_Bootable_DOS_CD_V%201.5.pdf
 
 Depending on what drivers etc you want to load you will have to build your
 own floppy disk image using Virtual Floppy Drive (VFD).
 
 Bruce
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:32 AM, iw2evk marinellucc...@tiscali.it wrote:
 

 Hi at all,

 whath is the right and shorth procedure for create a freedos 1.1 booting
 live cd?

 Thanks

 iw2evk Roberto

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