[Freedos-user] Setting up a Boot CD

[John R. Sowden]

I am looking to set up a boot CD to run FreeDOS.  Can I access FAT 32 
Partitions from this Boot Disk?


John



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Re: [Freedos-user] djgpp bash and autoconf for dos, new gcc

[John R. Sowden]

I attempted to copy the .ZIP files to a mounted HD on my Ubuntu 18.04 
system, but it only allowed me to copy/create/etc a link.  I am 
interested in knowing how 4DOS could be improved upon.  What's an 
Old/DOS, Newer/Ubuntu dude to do?


Wordstar, dBASE II, Foxpro 2.6, and more ,

John


On 9/9/22 04:21, Eric Auer wrote:


Hi! As Paul has asked for a DOS version of BASH,

http://www.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/

has version 4.2 of that. The zip unfortunately is called BSH...
because the website unnecessarily limits itself to 8.3 names.
Note that ACNF... in the same directory is autoconf :-)

In related news, as Rugxulo mentioned two weeks ago on BTTR,
there now is GCC 12.2 for DJGPP:

You can find it in the same directory :-)

Regards, Eric

PS: Japheth mentioned on BTTR that QEMU 6.2.0 has better sound
and keyboard for him, with -global i8042.kbd-throttle=on as
mentioned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1897568
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Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

[John R. Sowden]

All of the reasons that Thomas voiced, and to that I add control.  I 
want to automatically save files where I want them, not expecting a 
worker to go to "documents' then choose amongst various "folders" to 
find the correct one, which sometimes is not. We use WordStar for DOS 
and FoxPro for DOS.  We only use Quattro Pro for accounting files that 
are before about 1990. Searching for files or info inside files is fast.


Games are not an issue.

I think I about covered it.  Oh, yes, it was an improvement over CP/M 
amd TRS-DOS.  Another one-there were written manuals, many of which I 
still have.


John



On 4/14/21 9:23 AM, Thomas Desi wrote:

HI Johnpaul - whom are you addressing in your mail saying

"So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?"

just in case…  ;) here is my „ranting rating“:

- I am 50ish and not so much nostalgic about computing, but:

- want to get rid of networking on my „composing tool“
- want to have a lighting fast bootup
- want to have 1 (one!!) single app that I use,
- don’t want the virus thing (do we?)
- don’t want all those hidden spying/cookies/passwords/logins
- (single user instance, at home, old computer: who ever would want to get into 
my files? If they start the computer, they wouldn’t know what to do when seeing 
the FreeDos splash screen ; ) - Kidding)
- don't want "update nagging“, this has become crazyness. (legacy program like, 
e.g. VDE Editor and others can’t possibly made any better … like in „here is the 
update to the wheel“..)
- want to be able to switch the thing off with a button: „Zip!“ and walk away 
from the screen.
- (and no waiting or „the computer was not correctly shut down … bla blabla“)
- No „power saving“ or „standby modes“ which anyway also consume quite an 
amount of energy, with funny standby-lights flashing all night in your 
appartment. Just switch it entirely off.
- single simple view of what I have written (actual OS suggest to become a 
virtuoso in creating folders/directories and drop files on a „desktop“ which is 
a fake folder, too…
- want to have single files that represent an „app“. (not thousands of 
libraries, dependencies, installs, dlls, blablabl)
- a disk with FEW files alltogether. (Windows10 uses around 300,000 files for a 
fresh 12 GIGABYTE install! THREEHUNDRED THOUSAND)
- a system of a handful of commands I program on my „macro pad“ - and press it 
without need to type in, not even „dir“ or „cd ..“ or „type“ etc…
- want SIMPLICITY, purism, „control“ ...
- want to learn to understand a little how actually a computer works as a tool, 
not as a consumer gadget that could - theoretically - do EVERYTHING and drives 
me nuts because of the running „why doesn’t it do this and that“…
- and a few more which sound quite similar to your reasons!

I agree that there has been a huge amount of programming work, carefully 
written out documentations and alike become obsolete in the last decades.

In my experience (Text/composing/editing( I don’t see ANY difference working on 
a Windows10 Computer in Word today and how it was back in say 1988 when I had 
my first machine regarding the workflow… Text-editing hasn’t changed in the 
last decades, that is why Emacs and VI(m) are still much in use. But I guess 
this is a different story and doesn’t fit into this thread.


- T-h-omas



Am 14.04.2021 um 17:59 schrieb Johnpaul Humphrey :

In light of the "DOS was dead" discussion, I wanted to ask a question.
I was *born* after support was dropped for MS-DOS, so I can't claim
nostalgia as my reason for use. Recently I installed FreeDOS on my
modern HP-Pavilion laptop, alongside BSD, Linux, and plan9. I did this
because I like DOS's speed and assembly programming.
It worked fine after I fixed the beep bug with your help.
So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS?
Is it primarily nostalgia? Legacy program support? Speed?
Note that I don't consider running legacy software a bad reason. I was
shocked by how much good software has been "thrown away" because of
its age. On Linux all my favorite software (vi, siag office, twm,
motif ) was written before I was born. However, that is not my
primary reason for using FreeDOS. my primary reason is because it is
like the motorcycle of operating systems. It is lightweight, has no
red tape to cut through to do things, and is monotasking. (Monotasking
is also why I don't use it as much as I would like to, but why I use
it at all.)
I figured that if I had a different reason than what everybody
assumes, that some of you might as well. Everyone seems to assume that
DOS is used by people who are unable to cope with progress and have to
run their ancient version of word perfect. If that is your reason, it
is not a bad reason. I was thinking of eventually writing a 64-bit dos
work [sort of] alike eventually, but it would not be able to support
legacy programs due to segment offset addressing and a million other
things.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Make sure your opinion is heard

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That subject line is just asking for a lot of traffic!
I am a DOS user in current operations (wordstar, Foxpro, others).  My 
thought about asking for a survey,etc. is that it should come from the 
"mgmt" of the FreeDOS organizaton.  That way those of us that are not 
involved in the decisions of how FreeDOS will go forward, will know its 
"official".


Comment oh what I think everyone is talking about:
Have 2 packages.  One is the OS and its immediate utilities.
The other is various DOS programs that might perpetuate the use of DOS 
and make it better to use.

We could have discussions of which files should be on which package.

Set soapbox off,
John Sowden


On 12/4/20 8:09 AM, Jerome Shidel wrote:

Are you happy with what software is included with FreeDOS?

Are there packages you feel don't always need installed?

Make sure your voice is heard.

Visit the Package Survey https://fd.lod.bz/survey

Even if you don’t want any changes or to leave a comment,

you can just scroll to the bottom and hit submit.

Thanks again,

Jerome


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Re: [Freedos-user] Tandy 1000 compatibility

[John R. Sowden]

I believe back in those days, there were IBM compatibles, and IBM 
clones.  Clones were, ...clones, like we have today, compatible would 
run DOS programs (WordStar, dBASE,etc.) but were not exactly the same.  
Replacing the OS with another is probably not gonna work.  You could 
replace the command.com with 4DOS to get more features. but the 
MS-DOS.SYS is probably too hooked into the hardware.


John



On 07/22/2018 09:11 AM, geneb wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, Thomas Mueller wrote:



I researched Tandy and Tandy 1000 on Wikipedia.

It looks pretty obsolete, and it would be difficult to impossible to 
find compatible accessories such as keyboard, mouse, hard drive and 
other peripherals.


Many (if not all) of the Tandy 1000 machines come with the same ISA 
bus that "normal" PC compatibles did.  The mouse used is the same as 
any other PC, although for text-mode DOS, there's not much point with 
a mouse. :)


Keyboards can be problematic, but they're out there.  Also there's a 
number of Tandy 1000 models that have the keyboard built in.



Even the floppy drive is not compatible with standard.

Were you reading the misleading edition of the Wikipedia article on 
the Tandy 1000? ;)  There are SOME models of the Tandy 1000 that use a 
special cable for the 3.5" drive that also supplied power - this was 
done on the units with the integrated keyboard and not the "Standard" 
1000 models. That being said, the format of the media is the same as 
any other DOS machine.


The Tandy 1000 should run FreeDOS just fine - I don't know of any 
Tandy-specific changes that were made to the stock MS-DOS that it ran.


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Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors

[John R. Sowden]

If you use a command processor like 4DOS, you can say "cls white on blue"


John



On 01/20/2018 10:32 AM, Eric Auer wrote:

Hey Raul!


Can anybody tell me how to change the default color of my
FREEDOS screen from BLACK background with WHITE text TO
BLUE BACKGROUND WITH white TEXT? THANKS IN ADVANCE!

The standard method of this is to load the ANSI driver
(for example NANSI) and send appropriate ESCape sequences
to change the colors. People usually do that with PROMPT
settings in their config / autoexec but you can also use
the EECHO tool or other means of writing ESC sequences.

Because it basically works the same in all DOS versions,
you can search the web for any old MS DOS, DR DOS, PC
DOS, FreeDOS or other tutorial on the topic to find out
more about the possibilities :-) You can also read the
NANSI documentation (nansi.doc or the HTMLHELP for it).
With FreeDOS EDIT, you can also insert the ESC character
(hex 0x1b, decimal 27) directly into ECHO lines in your
autoexec. But as said, the usual method is the PROMPT.

Regards, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.

[John R. Sowden]

Based on your error messages, it sounds like there is a problem with the 
hard drive.  If you have more than 1 physical hard drive, your best bet 
is to copy your data from the c: drive to the e: drive ASAP.  If the 
"drives" are actually partitions of the same physical drive, I would 
copy the data off of the computer ASAP.  An option to write to is a zip 
drive (100 MB each).  It connects to the parallel (printer) port.


4dos is much more feature packed.  command.com is a program that 
executes the commands you enter at the c:>.  It also includes some 
internal commands.  If DOS is your main OS, I would find 4DOS 
invaluable.  As far as the OS (IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS) is concerned, 
command.com is just another program.  Gates did not get into making the 
use of our computer and the OS that we licensed difficult until about 
Windows95.  Luckily, Linux was lurking in the background ready to pounce.


Again, this sounds like a hardware issue, specifically a hard drive 
getting ready to die.  I would get my data off it fast.


John


On 12/02/2017 12:55 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Thanks to you Dennis, and john for this suggestion.
The thing is that the file is command.com
I noticed at the computer help source indicates that there is a system 
atrib  option as well.  granted I will check the options with my 
edition of  atrib, still it might work I have more than one hard 
drive,  with more than one copy of command.com for the same Dos edition.
As I write I have no idea how my machine is running,  it rebooted by 
accident and I barely got in again.

Staying with amazing friends, but I have no access to a monitor.
I have norton utilities 8.0, last edition for dos on a drive that 
seems undamaged.  so I hope I can make a rescue disc of some  kind 
before too much mayhem happens.

Thanks again,
Kare


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opposite." Nelson Mandela.

On Sat, 2 Dec 2017, John R. Sowden wrote:


use attrib to unhide it? then copy?
John


On 12/02/2017 10:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi folks,
 its complicated.  However, is there a way to copy over a file that is
 technically hidden?
 having
  a bit of a computer crisis.

 thanks,
 Kare

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Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.

[John R. Sowden]

use attrib to unhide it? then copy?
John


On 12/02/2017 10:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi folks,
its complicated.  However, is there a way to copy over a file that is 
technically hidden?

having
 a bit of a computer crisis.

thanks,
Kare

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

[John R. Sowden]

here here

On 11/04/2017 08:02 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:

I don't believe that freedos should be restricted to only
open software but should promote anything that
improves dos, like QV which is closed but great
dos software. DOS is on the edge of extinction and
needs all the help it can get. Owner of closed softwre
could be asked to include the source in their wills.


cheers
DS




On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 00:17:18 + Dimitris Zilaskos 
writes:

Hi,

Jack's drivers are required on a number of dos-era systems else
FreeDOS
will not even install/boot. Being unable to use FreeDOS is annoying
but a
working system is needed and the wishes of the owners of the
respective
intellectual property have to be respected.

Cheers,

Dimitris

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Ralf Quint 
wrote:


On 11/3/2017 7:19 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote:

just as a tiny side note:

I am only aware of 2 persons THAT CONSISTENTLY SHOUT.
Jack and the american president.


+1 :-P

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Re: [Freedos-user] dataperfect.

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try vetusware.com: 
http://vetusware.com/download/Data%20Perfect%202.6y/?id=4268


john

On 10/24/2017 10:43 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi all,
Will keep the question simple.  If I recall correctly the database 
program in the wordperfect family was called dataperfect.

Anyone have a dos copy?
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: [Freedos-user] reminder

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From: "John R. Sowden" <jsow...@americansentry.net>

today.exe by Patrick Kincaid. We use it every day.

John


On 04/10/2017 11:33 PM, Rinaldo Guelpa wrote:
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> I am looking for a simple reminder program in dos, can you please help.
> Cheers
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Re: [Freedos-user] reminder

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today.exe by Patrick Kincaid. We use it every day.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

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I understand your comments re: certain type of Ubuntu software.  Ubuntu 
is also worried about providing restricted software and its legal 
problems for a deep pocket.  My comment is in regards to the bandwidth 
consumption re: different tweaks of the license.  Just keep the squeaky 
clean stuff in the main install program, and reference the rest in a 
separate .zip with the appropriate caveats.


John


On 05/16/2016 06:31 PM, dmccunney wrote:

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 7:44 PM, John R. Sowden
<jsow...@americansentry.net> wrote:

Excuse me for butting in ...  but,

I understand the the FreeDOS package should be pure open source with no
caveats.  I also see that there are many programs out there that are
'available for use by the general public', but have varying license tweaks
that make them not pure open source.  Some of these programs have been in
use long before we got picky about the term 'open source'.  Ubuntu seems to
have solved this by treating them separately, not part of the install.
Couldn't the same be done here?  If any author or troll (strike that -
license holder)  complains, their program could be removed from the separate
.ZIP.

Possibility?

Ubuntu draws a distinction between "free" and "non-free" software, and
the distinction I know is whether source is available.

The non-free stuff tends to be things like drivers.  For instance,
AMD/ATI and Nvidia both offer Linux drivers for their video cards, but
do *not* provide driver source.  You use them if you have special
needs the generic open source video drivers bundled with Ubuntu don't
handle.  (You are likely a gamer if you have needs like that.)

I have an older AMD/ATI card in my dual boot desktop.  It has a
current ATI driver on the Windows side, but uses the generic Linux
drivers under Ubuntu.

(On an older machine, I did once resort to ndiswrapper, a *nix utility
that let me use Windows drivers in Linux, to get full support for the
hardware on the machine Linux was multi-booting on.)


John
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

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Excuse me for butting in ...  but,

I understand the the FreeDOS package should be pure open source with no 
caveats.  I also see that there are many programs out there that are  
'available for use by the general public', but have varying license 
tweaks that make them not pure open source. Some of these programs have 
been in use long before we got picky about the term 'open source'.  
Ubuntu seems to have solved this by treating them separately, not part 
of the install.  Couldn't the same be done here?  If any author or troll 
(strike that - license holder)  complains, their program could be 
removed from the separate .ZIP.


Possibility?

John
Still a Wordstar/FoxPro 2.6 User

On 05/15/2016 03:52 PM, Rugxulo wrote:

Hi,

Dennis, I almost hate to bring this type of stuff up. It's almost
flamebait because nobody can agree. So it's a waste of time.
Nevertheless 

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:58 PM, dmccunney  wrote:

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:

I can't imagine anyone taking stuff from a FreeDOS 1.2 release and
*wanting* to issue it as a commercial product.  Rex released 4DOS as
open source because it was no longer selling.  The world had moved on
from MSDOS and 16 bit, and so had he.

It is not an impossibility. For example , the current version of the
commercial product SpinRite runs on a FreeDOS boot CD.

What has that to do with anything?

Spinrite is and always has been a commercial product.  The vast
majority of what ran under DOS back when was commercial.  The fact
that it *runs* under FreeDOS is irrelevant.

It's pretty relevant. Without a "free" DOS, he couldn't (re)distribute
a bootable CD at all. He'd have to make all his users find a
compatible DOS elsewhere, which is not as easy as it sounds (anymore).


It just means FreeDOS is
compatible enough with MS/PC/DR DOS that Spinrite *will* work under
it.  That level of compatibility was a FreeDOS design goal from the
beginning.

Yes, but compatibility means little if you can't redistribute (or
easily acquire) the OS. There are many commercial, proprietary DOSes,
but almost all of them have died (and can't be easily found legally).
I'm not trying to overhype FreeDOS, but it's literally the only one
who cares about that. Any one of them could've done it, but they
didn't.


And as I recall, Spinrite only uses DOS to load it.  It does not
actually use DOS once up and running, and has its own low level code
for disk access and testing.

Great, but "barely uses" still means you have to have a compatible DOS
... unless he makes it like old PC booter games (no OS or only uses
BIOS).


The issue is open source code in a FreeDOS distro being used in a
commercial product.

I hate to nitpick, but please stop using "open source" to mean
something other than OSI. Yes, it can be misused, and no, they
probably can't stop you (trademark claims), but it's not beneficial at
all to pretend that "open source" means just "sources available". Most
people only refer to "open source" as OSI (or similar free software).


That may not be impossible, but it's so unlikely
that whether the particular open source license freely allows such
usage is something I wouldn't waste a moment worrying about.

It's not unlikely or they wouldn't have bothered making such restrictions.


As a rule, if you wish to incorporate open source code into a commercial
product, you are expected to get clearance from the author (and likely
pay a fee for the right to do so.)

Not at all. Who told you that? You're pretty uninformed here. "Open
source" always means able to use without charge. The term was designed
to be business friendly so that they could hire developers (if needed)
to improve existing code bases, similar to (but broader than) GPL.
Even GPL was designed more to sell future development as a service
instead of perpetual royalties just to use a single-user license of
proprietary crud that can't be changed.


If the idea is that only code
issued under an open source license that *doesn't* require you to
contact the author about commercial usage should be included in the
FreeDOS 1.2 distro, that's a profoundly silly notion.

Silly? Aren't you friends with Eric Raymond? He's a very big "open
source" (OSI) proponent. Heck, he co-founded OSI!

OSI was meant to 'promote open source ideas on "pragmatic,
business-case grounds." '. And business obviously means money, but
that doesn't mean paying (over and over again) for frozen software.

I realize that there's still lots of proprietary software, and not
everyone agrees with OSI or FSF. But there is a heavy push towards
business-friendly "open source" / "free software". It's just easier
for developers (and those who are willing to pay people to improve
public software).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Batch file compilers

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4dos has one.  use it all the time.

John


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Do we have access to any "Free"  batch file compilers like BUILDER or 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt - my FreeDOS distribution

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When I clicked on the iso link, I got the following:


This XML file does not appear to have any style information 
associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
NoSuchKeyThe specified key does not 
exist.releases/50886493/4fb4d114-c933-11e5-9bf4-8e8a690fb98a.iso85117D7417E47724hJzwQuKFwih9sa3LSZ8nelMuDFPUBxxnwGSRhRlYlJWhqiSB2QDHTgorWNOaemkZ


I'm running xubuntu 15.04 and Firefox 44.0


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Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!

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Regarding use of the usb driver, I have been using it for a couple of 
years, mainly to transport data from my office dos network to a linux 
computer.  The OS is MS-DOS 7.1 (from windows98 so I can read fat32) and 
4dos 7.0.  You only issue is the usb device that is plugged in when you 
boot up is what is available.  (cannot swap a different device unless 
they improved that).  I have only used usb sticks so far.

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[Freedos-user] dos editor very long files ignore eol character

[John R. Sowden]

I am looking for the above.

any thoughts?

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[Freedos-user] duplicate files in a directory

[John R. Sowden]

I somehow got 2 files in the same directory with the same name. This 
happened in a foxpro/dos program that I have been using for more than a 
decade.  How do I rename one of the files so I can treat them 
separately.  The are not identical.  One is a few days newe thatn the 
other, as this database us updated daily.  I am using freedos as the OS 
and 4dos as the command processor.

tia,
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Re: [Freedos-user] defrag

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On 10/06/2014 10:03 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote:
 Hi,

 I understand that the only defrag program that runs on true DOS,
 meaning not DOS in MS Windows, and that supports FAT32, is the
 one written for FreeDOS.  I also understand that the most
 current version is 1.3.2.

 Does it really support FAT32?

 I thought it didn't.

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well, ...

I have version 1.3.1 installed.  The current version is 1.3.2.  My 
version says that my disk is fine and only does the quick try.  The 
other options are grayed out.  There is lots of empty space before the 
programs on the defrag image on the screen.  I'm holding out hope for 
1.3.2.  I might say that 1.3.1 does not crash, and that drive is fat32, 
but as to whether it is really defragging, I don't know.  Unfortunately, 
the author doesn't discuss these issues.

As others have said, maybe the answer is to copy all the files to a usb 
stick, and then format the hd, reinstall the os, then copy the directory 
structure back.

All for my 'neat freak' attitude of defragging.

John


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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos vs. MS DOS 6.22 for legacy hardware

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On 09/14/2014 01:48 PM, Krys Garnett wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm resurrecting an old desktop for a distraction free environment
 and I'm wondering whether it is easier or more useful to use Freedos
 or MS DOS 6.22, which I have the original 3.5 disks for.

 The system is a Tandon 386SX, 8mb RAM, 512mb HD, 3.5 and 5.25 floppy
 drives, no USB, no CD-ROM, but does have an ethernet card.

 With this spec, I'm wondering if the advantages of Freedos (support
 for big hard disks and RAM etc.) are meaningful on a low power system,
 and wether or nor it's worth the hassle of trying to install Freedos
 via floppy (I understand it's primarily designed for CD-ROM
 installation?).

 I'm mainly intending to use the system for writing and programming,
 but also communications programs like Lynx, Telnet and FTP.

 On that note, I'm not so enamoured with WordPerfect these days, so
 looking for any suggestions on alternative WP packages. It's primarily
 for academic writing, so decent support for footnotes, endnotes and
 tables is useful. I really like the DisplayWrite for DOS interface and
 features, but I've yet to find a version that exports into a widely
 used format. All suggestions welcome!

 Krystal

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I use freedos because: it supports far32 for larger drives and there is 
no Microsoft copyright paranoia.  I also use 4dos but that works on 
ms-dos also.  Re: the word processor, we have been using wordstar (5.5, 
7.0 was too clunky (technical term meaning code bloated and a less clean 
UI)) since the early eighties.  The employees, err, I love it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] How do you transfer files to your FreeDOS machine

[John R. Sowden]

I guess I'll jump into this ...

We have a DOS network (Little Big LAN - excellent) which connects our 
DOS computers.  One of the nodes is a computer in my office running DOS 
and Linux (Ubuntu).  Normally this computer is booting into the DOS 
partition.  We have backup routines (batch files) that backup data only 
(full backup, not incremental) to the DOS Linux computer.  I then boot 
this computer into Linux occasionally to move these backup files to a 
DVD-RAM disk on this computer.  Of course the data is encrypted when it 
is move from the DOS FAT32 partition to the DVD-RAM disk.

If I want to move this data to the Linux (Ubuntu) only box in my office, 
I use the DVD-RAM media to copy it to my Linux box.

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Re: [Freedos-user] EMODE - translation from Pascal to C - solved

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On 06/29/2014 11:19 AM, dmccunney wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Zbigniew zbigniew2...@gmail.com wrote:

 It was always a bit strange to me, that I had - well, I still have ;)
 - a few quite useful Pascal compilers for such little machine, like
 Commodore 64, and just one C compiler (Power C), which is cumbersome
 and hard to work with. C compiler - for the language being closer to
 machine than Pascal or BASIC - theoretically should be less
 resource-hungry (just like Forth compilers).

 There are fundamental language differences to take into account.

 Niklaus Wirth created Pascal as a teaching tool, for teaching
 algorithm design.  It was originally intended to be compiled on
 paper, with the teacher grading the quality of the student's
 assignment.  In ISO standard Pascal, the last I knew, things like I/O
 were undefined, because a program wouldn't *do* I/O.  When compiler
 writers began creating compilers to generate executables from Pascal
 code, they had to roll their own in areas like I/O, because it wasn't
 defined in the language.  Pascal spread widely be4cause it was
 relatively easy to learn to write, but became inherently non-portable
 because of differences in implementations.

 The C language was created by Dennis Ritchie at Bell Labs, largely
 concurrently with the development of Unix by Ken Thompson and Brian
 Kernighan.  C was intended to solve a specific problem.  Up till C
 came about, systems software, like operating systems, was written in
 the flavor of Assembler supported on the target machine.  The DEC
 minicomputers used to host the development of C and Unix, for example,
 used Macro-11, DEC's flavor of Assembler.  (DEC also had a specialized
 language called BLISS intended for systems software.)  The problem
 with Assembler was that while it provided the greatest possible
 efficiency, it was hard to write and harder to maintain.  The
 developer had to think with the machine's point of view, which was
 very different from the problem to be solved. Ritchie was creating a
 language intended to have the control constructs available in higher
 level languages, but efficient enough that you didn't *have* to write
 in Assembler to get adequate performance.  Another goal was that it be
 portable, and relatively easy to bring up on a different machine.  He
 wanted a language to make it easier and faster to write operating
 systems.

 Unix was intended to solve a similar problem.  Thompson and co-workers
 were software developers, unhappy with the facilities provided by the
 DEC systems on which they worked to support the task of software
 development.  The had an old DEC mini that was essentially unused, and
 could start from scratch, creating a new OS better suited for
 developing software.  Early versions of Unix were written in Macro-11.
 Around Unix v6, C became mature enough to be used, and most of Unix
 was rewritten in C.  Only really low level code that interfaced with
 the hardware was coded in Assembler.  The portability of C made it
 possible to bring up Unix on systems that weren't DEC minis, and it
 began to spread throughout ATT.  (An early driver of the spread was
 being able to use the vi screen editor when writing patent
 applications, instead of the line editors available up till then.)

 The earliest C compiler used in Unix compiled the C language
 statements into Assembler, and then called as, the system assembler,
 to generate the object code from the Assembler, and ld, the link
 editor, to put the parts together into an executable the user could
 run. It was possible to interrupt the compilation before as was
 called, and hand optimize the Assembler code before continuing. It was
 rather later that C compilers became sophisticated enough to comple
 directly to object code.

 Those early DEC minis had a 32K address space, so C had to be compiled
 in a low resource environment.  But generating the *smallest*
 executable wasn't the main goal.  There is always a tradeoff between
 speed and code size.  The fastest possible code is in line, but the
 more code that is in line, the larger the object file will be.  To
 make code small, you isolate code that will be executed multiple times
 as a function, and you call the function, but calling the function has
 overhead and your code isn't as fast.  In addition, C encouraged the
 development of libraries, where functions used in many programs could
 be stored for reuse, and you passed the compiler a parameter telling
 it where to look for libraries used by your program.  When you
 compiled your code, and a function was encountered that was not in the
 code you wrote, the linker would search the libraries passed for the
 code than implemented that function, and include it in the executable.

 Doing all that took resources,  The compiler had to have a temporary
 file where the compiled output was stored, buffers in memory to hold
 the code being compiled, and tables in memory to store information
 about the code being 

Re: [Freedos-user] 404 for floppy

[John R. Sowden]

Just a short comment about floppies (3.5, 5.25, 8), Bernouli 
cartridges, zip cartridges, etc..  If you have used any of these in the 
past as backup, you should keep a computer with the appropriate drive 
available to restore the data.  This also applies to compression 
programs.  The best solution is when you decide to retire a media, copy 
all of the data to the current media, thereby skipping a few generations.

Keeping encryption keys for old backups is another issue!

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Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue

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On 02/26/2014 04:16 PM, Rugxulo wrote:
 Hi,

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:53 AM, John R. Sowden
 jsow...@americansentry.net wrote:
 On 02/25/2014 03:00 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote:

 When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to
 do a full defrag.  The options are limited (grayed out).
 It could be a bug in the program or (maybe?) an incompatibility with
 your partition. I know it doesn't always work perfectly, trying to do
 everything in real mode (which is fairly impossible for really huge
 FAT32 drives).

 On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor,
 4dos.  FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it.  I have
 since removed window (xp?).
 So you don't have access to any other versions of DOS or OS/2 or
 Windows? (Take the hard drive with you to another machine, and try
 there.) Obviously if the FreeDOS version doesn't work at all, you'll
 have to use a different one (if defragging is that important to you
 and just re-copying / deleting doesn't work as a simple kludge).

 the defrag program doesn't work on FAT32.
 Well, I'm pretty sure that's not true anymore, but I haven't tried it lately.

 this is the one I am running:

 FreeDOS defrag

 FreeDOS defrag is a free software implementation of a file defragmenter
 under the GNU General Public License. It was especially implemented for the
 FreeDOS project.

 screenshot at www.nongnu.org/free-defrag/
 According to FreeDOS's Software List (.LSM), the latest version of
 Defrag is 1.3.2.

 http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=defrag

 While it still lists Imre Leber as maintainer, there hasn't been a
 newer version since 2009, so don't get your hopes up on any huge fixes
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Thanks for the follow up.  I can boot with a floppy using MS-DOS 6.2.  I 
think my version
of the defrag program is 1.3.1 (downloaded yesterday-I think I'll look 
elsewhere).

I remember copying to another drive years ago, think I'll try it as my 
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Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue

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On 02/25/2014 03:00 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote:

When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to
do a full defrag.  The options are limited (grayed out).
On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor,
4dos.  FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it.  I have
since removed window (xp?).

the defrag program doesn't work on FAT32.

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this is the one I am running:


 FreeDOS defrag

FreeDOS defrag is a free software implementation of a file defragmenter 
under the GNU General Public License. It was especially implemented for 
the FreeDOS project.


screenshot at www.nongnu.org/free-defrag/


Defrag has been under development since 2000 and has the following features:

1. Supports FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 with full long file name support
2. Supports sorting of directory entries
3. Features 8 defragmentation methods
4. Has an intuitive text mode interface, highly inspired by the MSDOS
   defrag interface

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[Freedos-user] defrag program issue

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When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to 
do a full defrag.  The options are limited (grayed out).
On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor, 
4dos.  FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it.  I have 
since removed window (xp?).

any help?

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Re: [Freedos-user] laser printers for DOS

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On 01/22/2014 08:19 AM, George Frothingham wrote:
 Can anyone suggest a source for monochrome laser printers with parallel
 interface that will work on FreeDOS.

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Brother HL-1440.  It includes a USB port in addition to the centronics 
port.  I have been using freedos/4dos for years with this prontr in an 
office running WordStar and Foxpro.  I loaded Bitstream fonts for 
wordstar about 20 years ago, and they work fine.  The trick will be 
finding these printers, so I buy a few as a backup, although the toner 
and drums are readily available.

Hope that helps,

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Re: [Freedos-user] zip with aes?

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On 12/04/2013 02:37 AM, dos386 wrote:
 PS: 7-ZIP 9.33-buggy-alpha is out. What's new: dropped support for
 Windaube ME (finally, not yet tested in DOS).

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7-Zip seems to be a program that will run in a windows command line, not 
dos only.

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[Freedos-user] zip with aes?

[John R. Sowden]

Is there a zip program for dos that encrypts using the aes algorithm?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Warningsafter installing FD on a partitioned Drive

[John R. Sowden]

On 11/09/2013 09:34 AM, Rugxulo wrote:
 Hi,

 On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote:
 - InitDiskWARNING: using suspect partition Pri:1 FS 0b: with calculated
 values
  81-194-63 instead of   75-254-63
 BIOS and partitioning disagree about CHS geometry and
 your partition type 0b is FAT32 CHS. You could switch
 to FAT32 LBA where geometry is irrelevant. Note that
 Windows does not show this warning, it just tries.
 How exactly shall he do this? I vaguely remember having to do similar
 once before, but I can't remember how I did it. I had thought BTTR's
 BOOTMGR, but a quick look doesn't show any (obvious) way to change
 partition type. Maybe I just used GParted, dunno. Or maybe sys config
 c:\kernel.sys FORCELBA=1 would work here??

 Since you say Win98, I'm assuming this is FAT32, which means you may
 have a backup boot sector somewhere.
 Win98 FAT32 typically does, but the message suggests that
 you installed DOS on the partition. You can of course use
 a Win98 DOS 7.x boot disk and just SYS C: again if the
 rest of Windows is still there...
 Assuming he still has the disks. Otherwise TestDisk might be a good option.

 You can install FreeDOS and Windows 98 on the same partition:
 Yes, but that's complex, and that doesn't sound like what we wants to do.

 So if this was not the right way, how am I supposed to install freedos
 on a multipartitioned drive?  Can I write over the fd with lilo.  My
 concern is that I have a lot of important data on this DOS computer.
 If the computer has important data, doing a backup now seems
 quite important:
 Yes, backup backup backup.

 This thread mentions that the computer has
 16 MB RAM and the last time I ran SuSE (6.x, maybe 5.x) on
 such hardware was 10 years ago. The harddisk must be very
 old unless you replaced it recently... Note that that SuSE
 version ran Linux 2.2 which did not even support USB yet.
 Presumably it works well enough for him. Though the way things are
 these days, you can't run hardly anything without tons of RAM. I think
 minimum is often i686 PAE and 128 MB RAM, and most don't even bother
 supporting that. Swapping like mad is not a lot of fun.

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Wow!
As usual when I present problems on these mailing lists, the solutions 
are complex.  Nothings easy!  I also have a tendency to not explain 
completely.  Usually I'm pretty precise.  I am not running any MS 
Windows on this computer.  I am running the DOS 7.10 from Win98 on 
this computer so I can make use of Fat32, getting more efficiency on a 
UK MB HD.  I primarily use this computer to connect to a DOS network 
(Little Big Lan) in my office.  This computer also has Suse on it.  UK 
which version, but I have been using Ubuntu (on another computer in my 
office not connected to this lan) since shortly after it was announced. 
Unfortunately there is email on the suse partitions and I would like 
(need to?) keep/recover.   I have a usb driver for DOS that I use to 
backup.  Usually only selected directories, but this time I'll back up 
the entire 630 MB.  According to a text file from Ranish Partition 
Manager, this is a 10GB HD with 3 fat32 partitions, a linux swap, and a 
linux ext2fs partition.  I have some pretty detailed in re: partitions, 
sectors, cylinders, etc. from rRPM reports I saved to disk that might be 
helpful.  I cannot run RPM yet because it requires a DPMI? program.  I 
have found some system files (created by me) that date about 2004, but 
there is no reference to Linux.  I can now run RPM if that helps.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Warningsafter installing FD on a partitioned Drive

[John R. Sowden]

On 11/09/2013 10:35 AM, Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi John,

 As usual when I present problems on these mailing lists, the solutions
 are complex.  Nothings easy!  I also have a tendency to not explain
 completely.  Usually I'm pretty precise.  I am not running any MS
 Windows on this computer.  I am running the DOS 7.10 from Win98 on
 this computer so I can make use of Fat32, getting more efficiency on a
 UK MB HD.  I primarily use this computer to connect to a DOS network
 Well your problem is also complex: You want two DOS versions, FreeDOS
 and Win98-DOS, on the same computer. Because they use the same style
 of drive letter numbering, some extra effort is involved in keeping
 their configuration separate while they both use the same C: drive.

 I hope the docs for metakern help you regarding this config trickery.
 Unless of course you simply want to replace Win98 DOS 7.10 by FreeDOS,
 then you do not have to worry about how to keep Win98 DOS bootable...



to clarify, I ran sys c: from a freedos floppy to write over the win98 
OS with freedos.
that is how this all started.
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[Freedos-user] Warningsafter installing FD on a partitioned Drive

[John R. Sowden]

I have a disk with Linux and win98 dos on it.  I opt with function key 
to select which OD.
Default is DOS.  While in DOS, I executed sys c: from a floppy that I 
downloaded from the fd site.  Now when I boot to this OS, I get, after 
the copyright notice and before a device? line in the config .sys, the 
following:

- InitDiskWARNING: using suspect partition Pri:1 FS 0b: with calculated 
values
   81-194-63 instead of   75-254-63
C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS=   0-1-1, start= 0 MB, size=  603MB
WARNING: using suspect partition Ext:1 FS 0b: with calculat4ed values
81-196-1
instead of   77-1-1
WARNING: using suspect partitionj

Oh well ya'll got the idea.  5 warning messages, each calculated values 
and instead of
values that are different.  Finally it runs (haven't dried Suse yet).

Have I written over my MBR or worse?

John



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Re: [Freedos-user] Warningsafter installing FD on a partitioned Drive

[John R. Sowden]

On 11/08/2013 09:52 PM, Rugxulo wrote:
 Hi,

 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:33 PM, John R. Sowden
 jsow...@americansentry.net wrote:
 I have a disk with Linux and win98 dos on it.  I opt with function key
 to select which OD.
 Please don't OD.:-)I assume you meant OS.

 Default is DOS.  While in DOS, I executed sys c: from a floppy that I
 downloaded from the fd site.  Now when I boot to this OS, I get, after
 the copyright notice and before a device? line in the config .sys, the
 following:

 - InitDiskWARNING: using suspect partition Pri:1 FS 0b: with calculated
 values
 81-194-63 instead of   75-254-63
 C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS=   0-1-1, start= 0 MB, size=  603MB
 WARNING: using suspect partition Ext:1 FS 0b: with calculat4ed values
 81-196-1
 instead of   77-1-1
 WARNING: using suspect partitionj

 Oh well ya'll got the idea.  5 warning messages, each calculated values
 and instead of
 values that are different.  Finally it runs (haven't dried Suse yet).
 I had thought there was a way to ignore (quiet) such warnings, but I
 don't see anything obvious in sys config:

 http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/sys.htm

 Now that I think about it, it's not much of a difference. It may just
 be your SuSE boot manager (stage 1.5? stage2?) hidden somewhere. If
 DOS still boots and runs, you're probably not totally hosed. (Do you
 know what boot manager is used for your install of Linux?)

 Have I written over my MBR or worse?
 Well, technically, yes, I'm pretty sure that's what SYS.COM does, it
 writes a boot sector to the MBR (master boot record). The mismatched
 numbers are from the partition table, also included in the MBR,
 presumably set with FDISK or similar tool when creating the FAT
 drive(s).

 Since you say Win98, I'm assuming this is FAT32, which means you may
 have a backup boot sector somewhere. But I don't know offhand how to
 recover it (though I'm fairly certain TestDisk can do it). Though I
 don't know if that's a good idea, and I'm not sure it's worth worrying
 about, but presumably someone else here has some more (better) info.
 You could also try to take a look at the raw hard drive with a tool
 like (wDE or similar) to see what is actually present at 77-1-1 (to
 see if it really is your Linux loader).

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I just tried to load Suse.  The functions key for Linux both were 
ignored, staying in a loop asking for a function key press.  I think the 
loader was Lilo.  This was installed several years ag
ago  (5+).  The computer has 16 MB RAM.  I mainly use it as a DOS 
computer.  I was running the DOS of Windows 98, yes FAT32.  That is why 
I wanted to run the Fat32 version of fd.  I use 4dos as my command 
processor.
So if this was not the right way, how am I supposed to install freedos 
on a multipartitioned drive?  Can I write over the fd with lilo.  My 
concern is that I have a lot of important data on this DOS computer.

John


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Re: [Freedos-user] first use of freedos

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On 11/03/2013 11:38 PM, Rugxulo wrote:
 Hi,

 On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:13 AM, John R. Sowden
 jsow...@americansentry.net wrote:
 got a 'distribution disk' of freedos
 Where? Which version? What files?
 I think I got it at the FD site.  Its the fat32 version. file is 
 ke386f32.zip
 , ran the sys command.
 To / from what? Floppy? Hard drive?
 read the batch.  ran sys on the floppy with no arg (defaults to a:)  It 
 didnot like installing onto itself.  The ran sys c:.  This was after playing 
 a bit, as I have hot data on the drive.
 copied it from the net to a floppy using ubuntu 13.10
 Assuming the floppy is intact, I guess that would work with dd (or
 similar) if the media size is the same.
 1.4mb floppy.  I have never used any of the other formats to get more stuff 
 on the fd.
 put it in a 486 24MB windows 98 computer with the windows programs
 removed and the MSDOS 7.10 and 4dos in place, with  a network.
 I assume here that you mean you're replacing MS-DOS with FreeDOS. Was
 there a particular reason for this, some specific program that
 wouldn't run or some other restriction?
 That is correct.  Reason: get away from MS, use fat32, use 4dos, hopefully my 
 usb drivers on another computer will work on this one.
 A few issues:

 Freedos did not like 'sys'ing to the floppy that it resides on, so I
 could boot into freedos,
Error copying command.com to itself.
What did it say exactly? Did you try a different physical floppy disk? 
sys a: c:? Anyways, you can always boot FreeDOS via other means, hence 
allowing you to still read / write via FreeDOS on an optional basis. 
(Heck, the MS-DOS 8 embedded within DISKCOPY.DLL that you can still 
write to floppy via Windows explorer [tested on Win7] has no SYS.COM 
command at all.)
 running the ver command shows MD DOS version 7.10.  I don't know if
 MSDOS is still there or if this is a compatibility issue.  I'd sure like
 it to say freedos, if it is.
 The shell may misunderstand, who knows. But normally (although I
 haven't used MS-DOS / Win9x in a few years) I wouldn't expect it to
 say MS-DOS unless it was in fact MS-DOS. Though indeed the FAT32
 version of FreeDOS by default always claims to be version 7.10.
This is the fat32 version.  Too bad fd does not promote itself in the 
ver command.
 Well, the obvious answer is to check (or clean) your root directory.
 If there's only KERNEL.SYS and maybe COMMAND.COM, it's definitely
 FreeDOS.
 I run lean and mean.  no io.sys, no msdos.sys.  The only reason command.com 
 is there is because
(a) freedos diagnostics, and come programs look for it. Unfortunately 
foxpro 2.6 looks for the ms version of command.com in order to use the 
run command (run a dos prog from inside fpd).
 Running the defrag program (freedos version) only allowed me to do a
 'quickie'.  the real options were grayed out.  I have a little dos stuff
 (about 130mb) in the middle of this huge 4.3 gb drive.  I releived the
 drive of its win98 burden.  I want the dos at the beginning, and the
 unused 'wiped', as the program suggests.
 only 1 partition.  remember I got rid of the win98 stuff, so the dos stuff is 
 sittin in the middle per the defrag program. I re-ran it, and got the same 
 results (insanity?) FAT32.  the only partition is active  :)
Literally in the middle of the partition? How many partitions do you 
have? FAT16? FAT32? Primary? Active? When you say 4.3 GB, I assume you 
mean physical drive, not just partition.
 Freedos complains that my last drive is not high enough.
 Where? At bootup? When running a specific program?  Yea, during boot.  I just 
 added lastrivehigh=j (the 10th drive) now it doesn't complain.

 It runs, but it stops and waits for a return.  This will confuse my secty 
 tomorrow
 morning.
 I assume you mean secretary? Sounds like a time crunch, ugh, sorry
 if this isn't more helpful.  no wait now-sh'ell nevr know she not running 
 msdos, except for the win98 logo that comes up when booting DOS (not win98) 
 go figure.

 Hmmm, you don't mean prompt for date + time do you? It always does
 that (IIRC) if no AUTOEXEC.BAT is found.   I have a autoexec.bat.  for the 
 last 20 years, I have it run another program with the good stuf in it (4dos 
 compiled).  autoexec,.at is unprotected, of the install programs can trash 
 it.  I go back find what the want to do, fix my other program if necessary 
 (usually not) and edit the autoexec.bat command bacl to @startdos.bat

 I run a network called little big lan (love it).  It has a
 program to set the last drive called netunits. I have it set to 10.
 This computer has a floppy, a hd, and a cd. No more.  10 has been enough
 for msdos 7.1 for the last decade. Raising it to 12 had no effect.
 You mean LASTDRIVE in CONFIG.SYS? No, it sounds like netunits (never
 heard of it). I'm far from experienced in networking, esp. old MS-DOS
 LAN stuff, but the normal way to increase drives is via LASTDRIVE.
 Though that's fairly common, so I assume you tried that. But that's
 all I can think

[Freedos-user] first use of freedos

[John R. Sowden]

got a 'distribution disk' of freedos, ran the sys command. copied it 
from the net to a floppy using ubuntu 13.10, put it in a 486 24MB 
windows 98 computer with the windows programs removed and the MSDOS 7.10 
and 4dos in place, with  a network.  A few issues:

Freedos did not like 'sys'ing to the floppy that it resides on, so I 
could boot into freedos,
running the ver command shows MD DOS version 7.10.  I don't know if 
MSDOS is still there or if this is a compatibility issue.  I'd sure like 
it to say freedos, if it is.

Running the defrag program (freedos version) only allowed me to do a 
'quickie'.  the real options were grayed out.  I have a little dos stuff 
(about 130mb) in the middle of this huge 4.3 gb drive.  I releived the 
drive of its win98 burden.  I want the dos at the beginning, and the 
unused 'wiped', as the program suggests.

Freedos complains that my last drive is not high enough.  It runs, but 
it stops and waits for a return.  This will confuse my secty tomorrow 
morning.  I run a network called little big lan (love it).  It has a 
program to set the last drive called netunits. I have it set to 10.  
This computer has a floppy, a hd, and a cd. No more.  10 has been enough 
for msdos 7.1 for the last decade. Raising it to 12 had no effect.

Thoughts?

John  (wordstar 5.5 and foxpro/dos forever!)



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[Freedos-user] looking for a utility

[John R. Sowden]

I am looking for a program that will run in config.sys before anything 
except possibly memory managers (before drivers).  I want to display a 
line of text of my choice and then pause the execution at that point 
until I hit enter.  Hopefully, if will disappear from memory after use.

My application is to remind me to plug in a usb stick prior to booting 
because, under the usb dos drivers I only get 1 bite at the apple per boot.

tia,
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[Freedos-user] Trouble setting up dosemu

[John R. Sowden]

I am attempting to mount a fat32 partition (4.xGB) to /mnt/e
e is my e: drive (in autoexec.bat, I lredir e: linux\fs\mnt\e).  I 
cannot write to it from dos.
I found that the directory e is owned by john:john (me)
why I have my own group, I don't know.
I sudo umount /dev/sda9, then sudo chown john:john /mnt/e
verify that is now john:john
then,  . . . I sudo mount /dev/sda9 /mnt/e
and look at e with dir and its now root:root
help!

John


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Re: [Freedos-user] Trouble setting up dosemu

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I tried to chown while it was mounted and the response was operation 
not permitted.  that is why I did it umounted.  can I incorporate the 
-o uid=john into the fstab, as I am not performing a separate mount 
command., or should I not mount it all in fstab, but use unix mount 
etc. in my autoexec.bat?




On 05/12/2013 05:16 AM, Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi!

 If you mount something to a directory, it shows up there
 instead of the directory. This is why chown *before* the
 mount has no effect. You could chown *after* the mount,
 or use the -o uid=john option for mount. Mount also has
 many other options, but avoid making things too complex.

 Eric

 I sudo umount /dev/sda9, then sudo chown john:john /mnt/e
 verify that is now john:john
 then,  . . . I sudo mount /dev/sda9 /mnt/e
 and look at e with dir and its now root:root

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