Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
/ I've decided to unsubscribe from the FreeDOS list. I have learned a few things of value, however I'm not interested in reading flaming message after message.there's no purpose... \ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech! Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:39:41 -0800 Jack, my fRiend, do you think it is a good idea to make a federal case ... Federal Case, you say??A phrase rarely heard outside the U.S.A., which refers to the laws we use to prosecute gangsters or racketeers?? With your recent f.iend, that is 2 NEW additions to your English lexicon, after your hilarious 3nd on BTTR last month or your TERRIBLE grammar yesterday in -- http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=2408 So tell us, my good friend [G]retch, who now coaches you on your otherwise LOUSY English?? One of the Big-time Trolls from North America, or else a REAL gangster/racketeer, maybe?? [And thanks to one of your OWN countrymen for the words Big-time Trolls!!] The guys you mentioned to be your witnesses, Kuhnt and Lucho, they are slightly biased, aren't they? Not witnesses, as this is not your Federal Case, surely!! Just friends who have also been STUCK dealing with you in the past, as noted in -- http://www.drdosprojects.de/forum/drp_forum/posts/6380.html The SHSUCDX bug you mentioned is NOT commonly known. I mentioned NO such bugs by name or number. The one you noted IS NOT the same as what I had in mind. As for the comment by Eric Auer that -- Jack is not going to help Japheth to make UIDE32 anyway Of course not!I believe a DOS driver should be general purpose and NOT limited to only one special Extended Memory manager! I want all my drivers to run with MS-DOS EMM386, QEMM, 386MAX, RM386, and all other such managers. FLEXIBILITY outranks saving 4K of XMGR/UIDE upper-memory.Besides, all my friends, and a majority of users they advise, want something SIMPLE. They need and appreciate normal DOS systems. They are NOT interested in DPMI, VCPI nor other 32-bit Hallelujah Sorcery. So they all use UMBPCI and are quite happy with it. For them, I will ALWAYS do general purpose drivers! - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
All, This flamewar is not helpful or productive. If anything, it's harmful. Please, I'm asking you to stop so we can get back to talking about real issues for FreeDOS. -jh - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: / I've decided to unsubscribe from the FreeDOS list. I have learned a few things of value, however I'm not interested in reading flaming message after message.there's no purpose... \ So the flame-war guys won? Better come back and ignore them. :-) Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:07:11 +0100, you wrote:
Eric, you are a wag. :))
Sorry my English sucks, I didn't even have a chance to go to University.
I check up the WIKI and found the following ...
Wag can also be:
* A verb expressing a rocking movement, as in the wagging of a dog's tail,
also used to describe the motion of chemical bonds
* A person who is fond of making jokes
* A verb referring to truancy in Australian or New Zealand slang
* Wag's, an American restaurant chain
WAG can refer to:
* WAG, {Wild Ass Guess} In electronic forums
* WAGs, a British tabloid press term for the Wives and Girlfriends of
sportsmen, particularly footballers
* Walgreens, a U.S. convenience/drug store (NYSE symbol: WAG)
* Wanganui Airport, New Zealand (IATA code: WAG)
* Welsh Assembly Government, an executive body in Wales
* West Asian Games, a sporting event
* Wireless Advisory Group, a group which provides advice and information on
wireless technologies to the JANET community
* Wireless Audio Gesture, a wireless device worn by guitarists to change
effects
* World Air Games, an international competition of air sports
* The Winnipeg Art Gallery in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Can you write in plain English?
Thank you!
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Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:57:20 +0100, you wrote: The guys you mentioned to be your witnesses, Kuhnt and Lucho, they are slightly biased, aren't they? Great! BIASED or not, let the world judge it, I think it's the best answer! History have no mercy on bad guys, and it reminds us what's the name of the good people. Ask yourself: Want to be good or bad? - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Jack, my fRiend, do you think it is a good idea to make a federal case of a missing little r? Try to calm down! Jim Hall isn't a FOOL by having ignored it, it's at best an indication that he isn't paranoid. The guys you mentioned to be your witnesses, Kuhnt and Lucho, they are slightly biased, aren't they? The SHSUCDX bug you mentioned is NOT commonly known. See http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=2374 for more details. - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Hi Jim, Jack, your email is an obvious troll. Please try to be fair. I think that Japheth and Jack do call each other fiends deliberately. The problem is that for Japheth and many others, this is just a small tongue-in-cheek typo joke, while Jack is really offended by that and demands that we defend him now. On the other hand, I think Jack should not complain here about Japheth (Grech) using old XCDROM for his XCDROM32 port. I mean the glory already goes to Jack anyway, nobody said that Japheth invented a new cool driver himself... He just ported XCDROM to a new and potentially more useful platform... Maybe he selected XCDROM because it is smaller and easier to port? Even though XCDROM is old, it is definitely not bad :-). Jack is not going to help Japheth to make UIDE32 anyway, so my opinion is that he cannot complain either. Free software allows everybody to make a spin-of project, even if it is a bad spin-off. I think it is a bad idea to ban either Jack or Japheth or both, or even close a whole forum because the two do not like each other. Maybe we can invent a filter which makes them unable to know about each others emails ;-). Of course that is just my personal opinion. Please try to keep calm and do not feed the trolls, no matter who is / are the trolls here. Thanks! Eric - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Hi Jack, what is the changelog of your latest uide.sys dated 11-24-2007 shipped together with Lucho's bootdisk? I thought, your drivers were gone forever. If Lucho is allowed to use your drivers for his bootdisk, so why not publish your drivers again at Johnson's website as closed source? That would be more convenient than always extracting them from an .img-file ;-) Regards Norbert. - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Hi Jim, No one is talking about banning anyone. Sheesh. Don't suggest that's what I'm planning to do. I was referring to one forum already banned some of the people involved in this flamewar and another forum was closed because of this flamewar. I am not suggesting to follow those examples... ;-). Eric - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
No one is talking about banning anyone. Sheesh. Don't suggest that's what I'm planning to do. I'm just trying to put the lid on what could become another flamewar, here. On 12/6/07, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, Jack, your email is an obvious troll. Please try to be fair. I think that Japheth and Jack do call each other fiends deliberately. The problem is that for Japheth and many others, this is just a small tongue-in-cheek typo joke, while Jack is really offended by that and demands that we defend him now. On the other hand, I think Jack should not complain here about Japheth (Grech) using old XCDROM for his XCDROM32 port. I mean the glory already goes to Jack anyway, nobody said that Japheth invented a new cool driver himself... He just ported XCDROM to a new and potentially more useful platform... Maybe he selected XCDROM because it is smaller and easier to port? Even though XCDROM is old, it is definitely not bad :-). Jack is not going to help Japheth to make UIDE32 anyway, so my opinion is that he cannot complain either. Free software allows everybody to make a spin-of project, even if it is a bad spin-off. I think it is a bad idea to ban either Jack or Japheth or both, or even close a whole forum because the two do not like each other. Maybe we can invent a filter which makes them unable to know about each others emails ;-). Of course that is just my personal opinion. Please try to keep calm and do not feed the trolls, no matter who is / are the trolls here. Thanks! Eric - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
I was referring to one forum already banned some of the people involved in this flamewar and another forum was closed because of this flamewar. I am not suggesting to follow those examples... ;-). Eric, you are a wag. :)) btw, I was banned by the admin of the EDR forum (Evil DoctoR) because of spamming, not for trolling. And it's nothing to be ashamed of, because my crime was to post several times that I find it slightly unwise to abuse and make fun of someone who just reports a bug. The someone was user NTOSKRNL and the thread is still to see here: http://www.drdosprojects.de/forum/drp_forum/posts/6007.html - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Jim Hall wrote: I'm just trying to put the lid on what could become another flamewar, here. That's a good idea, I think. Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Hi Jack, ... or should I say: Hi Ellis? ... My congrats to my good fiend Grech for having ... for the non-insiders: you mean Japheth (A. Grech) ... patched and extended usage of the non-caching XDMA! ... which has a nice license which supports doing so ... Those on BTTR who have noted the 50-MB speed of UIDE, and those who have noted privately how UIDE works everywhere, will truly value a substandard, obsolete driver as a second-choice! I believe the UIDE driver is indeed better, but I also got the impression that, as a result of a flamewar on BTTR, the UIDE driver is no longer open source...? You are invited to help Japheth to make UIDE32, should you change your mind about that :-). Talking about XCDROM32, Japheth afair did get the impression that it is still very similar to UIDE's CDROM engine? Of course it lacks a cache but XCDROM itself is good - even though it is old. So thanks for making XCDROM open source back then. I know that you and Japheth are both capable programmers... but also that that does not make you immune to flamewars ;-). And yes, re-learning things can be fun, but learning from existing open source code certainly is fun, too :-). Eric - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Jack, your email is an obvious troll. If you don't have anything of substance to contribute, don't try to stir up trouble. Please stop this. -jh On 12/5/07, Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My congrats to my good fiend Grech for having patched and extended usage of the non-caching XDMA! Those on BTTR who have noted the 50-MB speed of UIDE, and those who have noted privately how UIDE works everywhere, will truly value a substandard, obsolete driver as a second-choice! And given JEMM, it may be but 18 months until XDMA32/XCDROM32 perform like UIDE now! It also seems best that any more drivers I do will again be closed-source, licensed and no-longer free use as in the latest 12-02-2007 README file, and totally unavailable in Europe or North America. Too many Trolls in ONLY those areas sadly proved to take too much time. I am confident that XDMA32/XCDROM32 will do for such users! Our good fiend Grech is a very capable guy as I know, and very honourable as Udo Kuhnt knows, is he not?? Sad, how I had time to sent Martin Rehak but one ITE8211 chip test, before Trolls took much attention. As useful work is more fun, time for me to let the DOS community go on re-learning everything about bad BIOS logic, SHSUCDX bugs, UltraDMA, caching, etc. My good friend Wrech will surely help the community with all such items, and I can thus proceed with some nice UIDE upgrades that I believe will greatly benefit many others! - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Congrats to Grech!
Ciao, Jack wrote: Udo Kuhnt wrote me yesterday, 4-Dec-2007, about Grech's FD-User post, where Grech thanks his fiend -- NOT friend but FIEND -- for the XDMA driver.Udo noted he DID NOT regard this as any sort of "typographical error", and neither did I. For non-native English speaking people (like me): fiend (fnd) n. 1. a. An evil spirit; a demon. b. The Devil; Satan. c. A diabolically evil or wicked person. 2. Informal One who is addicted to something: a dope fiend. 3. Informal One who is completely absorbed in or obsessed with a given job or pastime: a crossword-puzzle fiend. 4. Informal One who is particularly adept at something: a fiend with computers. [Middle English, from Old English fond; see p(i)- in Indo-European roots.] The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Ciao - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
