Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
Marty didn't you have to trick the OS X.5 software to install on less than a 867 processor? I did not need any tricks other than installing Leopard on an external drive attached to a faster iBook G4. Target mode would work too. Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 8, 4:57 pm, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:25 AM, aechmea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Marty Levine replied: Im running 10.5 on an eMac 700 right now and normaly on a 450mhz sawtooth. Its not a speed demon but its useable. Tiger might be faster though. I just posted results of downgrading a 1.67 GHz G4 PowerBook from 10.5.5 to 10.4.11. There was about a 20% speed increase across the board for 10.4.11. This is a noticeable amount of speed and Tiger seemed much quicker. I don't think that Leopard offers anything worth a 20% speed hit. Your iMac won't support Core Image or Core Animation, so that basically leaves Spaces Stacks (both just eye candy), and Time Machine (buggy and doesn't seem reliable). I've got Macs running both Leopard and Tiger, I'd stick with Tiger on you G4 iMac. OK, thats good. I didnt particularly want Leopard on the iMac, but I just happened to have a retail DVD and a nonspecific one, so it would have been a no-cost solution. The 3 Tigers that I have would appear by their label to be machine specific. Maybe the G5 one would have a chance of installing on the iMac, but I doubt that the Macbook or the Intel versions would work. Looks like I need to search for a retail Tiger. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Marty Levine wrote: Marty didn't you have to trick the OS X.5 software to install on less than a 867 processor? I did not need any tricks other than installing Leopard on an external drive attached to a faster iBook G4. Target mode would work too. Marty You might check out LeopardAssist: http://mac.profusehost.net/leopardassist/index.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cloning
Thank you Dan, this brings me a lot closer to a decision. On Nov 7, 11:11 am, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the backup is such that you need lower level access than AFP provides. CCC supports this by creating an encrypted tunnel between the two Macs then running on each. I haven't tested it yet but am planning to. Check the CCC docs for details. (This is what Bill is talking about re Credentials in his reply). I googled AFP and I see Apple Filing Protocol. Does this mean CCC does not involve sharing? After you do OS and app updates on the master Mac, update the system areas of the backup. ... (Bruce is smiling as he pops aspirin) This method works well because it makes efficient use of the backup storage. But it requires that the Macs be managed properly and things be thought out carefully. Great potential to make a mess. No sale. Bruce can relax! Having them run to a NAS ... means they're speed limited by the network. Not so bad, right? As long as I do not use WiFi, and with gigabit ethernet on all machines and switches except for one iBook G4? This can be better than, or as good as USB 2 for typical real world throughput? This I see in Exploring Time Capsule: theoretical speed vs practical throughput http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/28/exploring_time_capsule_theoretical_speed_vs_practical_throughput.html And that drive is running all the time - so you'll need to make other backups too. Is this always the case? I thought that some external hard drive models spin down when there is no reading/writing. I seem to remember seeing complaints in these lists that response to demand for access is therefore not immediate. What other backups would I need? Thanks again, Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noisy Mini
On Nov 7, 11:45 pm, George Hozendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mini has developed a very loud fan noise. Is this a repair that can be done do-it-yourself or should I do without my computer for an indefinite period of time while Apple fixes it under warranty? Even if I could repair it myself, I would not do that while the machine is under warranty. That could preclude a warranty repair at a later time. Call Apple. In past years, they have done very fast service for my son with laptop problems. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe Products only on G5?
On Fri, November 7, 2008 11:54 pm, Tom wrote: You must be talking about CS3. I've been running CS2 on various G4s, and now a G5, for a couple of years. I don't know what CS3 requires, but it seems like it should easily run on any Intel Mac. Illy PS CS3 WILL run on a G4 Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 7, 2008, at 9:25 PM, aechmea wrote: Sorry Jim and others, I wasnt clear enough. My iMac is actually a G4 - the LCD on a stick in the half snowball. I have a feeling that 10.5 will work since it's a G4. But will 10.5 actually work nicely or just plod along. Assuming that your iMac is still 700 Mhz, but a G4 instead of a G3, 10.4 will run quite snappily on it with the 640 MB RAM you say it has. But only the 1 GHz and higher G4 iMacs will run 10.5 without needing help since Apple's Leopard threshold is G4 at 867 MHz. (Low End Mac has the information on installing Leopard on unsupported Macs.) But if you go ahead and manage to get Leopard installed on your G4/700 iMac, it will pretty much stumble along at 700 MHz. More RAM will help. So will a 7200 rpm hard drive, if it's got an original 5400 rpm hard drive. Even then, you will find that the 32 MB NVidia video chip doesn't have enough wherewithal to do full justice to Leopard. Install 10.5, if only to prove it can be done, but be prepared to be disappointed with its performance on your iMac. Tiger is a perfect match for your machine. -- Jim Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cloning
At 7:03 AM -0800 11/8/2008, Al wrote: On Nov 7, 11:11 am, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the backup is such that you need lower level access than AFP provides. CCC supports this by creating an encrypted tunnel between the two Macs then running on each. I haven't tested it yet but am planning to. Check the CCC docs for details. (This is what Bill is talking about re Credentials in his reply). I googled AFP and I see Apple Filing Protocol. Does this mean CCC does not involve sharing? Depends on how you define sharing. In this scenario - backing up a volume from one Mac to another Mac over a network, CCC does not use AFP (reasons above). But it still has to move the data... Having them run to a NAS ... means they're speed limited by the network. Now we're talking about backing up a volume on a Mac to a NAS device - not another Mac. from CCC's doc: CCC does not currently support backing up directly to an AFP, NFS, or SMB network share. You can back up to a disk image on these types of volumes, but a volume to volume clone is not permitted (or technically feasible) to network shares. That means the thing CCC creates on the NAS volume is NOT bootable. It is a virtual disk image file (dmg) that can be used at a later time to create a bootable volume. This is because to access the volume on the NAS, CCC must use AFP - which brings us back to the original AFP problem. That's not necessarily bad. It just means some rethinking as to how to handle the backups. Not so bad, right? As long as I do not use WiFi, and with gigabit ethernet on all machines and switches except for one iBook G4? This can be better than, or as good as USB 2 for typical real world throughput? This I see in Exploring Time Capsule: theoretical speed vs practical throughput http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/28/exploring_time_capsule_theoretical_speed_vs_practical_throughput.html Great article! Looks like the performance over gigE or 11n isn't too bad. If your network is also used for regular 'net surfing and such, that would slow things down more. Gotta read up more on TC. I'm wondering how much performance suffers when you're pushing the data to the shared drive hard *and* doing 'net stuff. Many WAPs really slow down when you have a lot of NAT connections going. And this is that plus file sharing. And that drive is running all the time - so you'll need to make other backups too. Is this always the case? I thought that some external hard drive models spin down when there is no reading/writing. I seem to remember seeing complaints in these lists that response to demand for access is therefore not immediate. If the drive is ONLY used for backups, then it should be spun down while not in use. But it IS connected, so it can be spun up and/or hit with power surges at any time. What other backups would I need? Well, it's always a good idea to have multiple backups. What happens if you have a failure WHILE you're running the backup? At that point, you can end up with NO backup! At home, I keep two backups. The primary is on a LaCie external drive that gets updated daily (incremental) and monthly (full). Except when being used, it is totally unplugged. My secondary, right now, is burned DVDs. Not bootable, just my user data, made with Finder drags. I give them to a friend for remote off-site sock drawer storage. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Another annoyance
At 7:38 PM -0500 11/7/2008, Doug Burton wrote: DA it's running 10.4.11 of course. To facilitate the volumes being mounted when starting Tiger I just dragged the icon to the startup items list. Essentially, that put an alias to the volume in the startupitems folder. That alias was then *opened* by Finder - the same as a double-click action. So it is intended and expected that it would open the window. If you want the volume to mount on your desktop without opening the window, then you'll need to do just that -- actually mount the volume, not tell Finder mount and open it! Do that with a shell or applescript that runs disk utility. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
If you just want to render web pages better, you could try Firefox. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe Products only on G5?
On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:32 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 1 of 2 == Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 8:24 pm From: Anne Keller-Smith I'm looking at the system requirements for Adobe CS and it looks like they're saying it won't run on my G4 even if I do upgrade to OS 10.4 - well it has to be 10.4.11 at least. What about the new iMac I just got? It should run on that? Or not? iMac has Intel Core Duo 2.4 ghz Anne: Congratulations on your purchase. With what you say, you are good to go. You machine beats the CS minimum requirements. If, later, you feel that you want more pep, check what Activity Monitor tells you about the RAM. You might want to add another stick, which is very easy to do. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I just posted results of downgrading a 1.67 GHz G4 PowerBook from 10.5.5 to 10.4.11. There was about a 20% speed increase across the board for 10.4.11. And your results are quite anomalous...I noticed almost no difference between 10.4 and 10.5 on my 1Ghz G4 systems. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading the OS on an iMac700
On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: And your results are quite anomalous.. I don't think they're anomalous according to benchmarks with archived results for literally thousands of users. You can run the benchmarks yourself. If you get different results, post them like I did. For that matter, there are literally thousands of archived benchmark results to view, and as far as I could see, my results were not anomalous, but that universal. I noticed almost no difference between 10.4 and 10.5 on my 1Ghz G4 systems. Maybe for general web browsing, but try running Photoshop or Photoshop Elements under both Leopard and Tiger and you can see the speed difference. In Adobe Bridge when it's displaying an entire large folder for browsing it takes forever under 10.5 but is quick enough in 10.4. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
eMac Ventilation
Hi. I bought two eMacs for my boys. They have cabin beds with desk underneath. The desk space is aimed at holding a monitor. The eMac just fits it. Actually I had to take the two little feet off the front to get them in, leaving only a few mill at the top. The desk is like an enclosed hole with pull out draw. There is plenty of space around the sides of the eMac and back, just the top of the screen is a tight fit. Do you think there is enough space for ventilation? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4
Hi all, I have a BW G3 running 10.4 fairly well... but now and then it will exhibit strange video problems such as missing icons in the Applications and Utilities folders, reloading the desktop two or three times during startup, and no response when clicking Shutdown and Restart via the menu. Usually if I use Force Quit and restart Finder, the icons will appear and things will work fine for awhile, but will eventually disappear again. I've tried all of the simple things including a new PRAM battery, reinstall the OS, rewrite the HD with zeros before reinstall, etc... but no success. I'm kind of thinking it could be the ATI Rage 128 video card or the HD, but not positive. Any ideas? Thanks. Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How much bandwidth is in use?
--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How much bandwidth is in use? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 10:34 AM At 9:58 AM -0800 11/7/2008, Jonas Lopez wrote: I have just found a webcam with a good, big, analogue clock face with a second hand. Most of the time, you can see it hit on each of the 5 seconds in line, but some times it skips 2 or so in a 5 second block. I wonder if this is an optical problem or are we seeing 30 frames / second or 1 frame / second ince sometimes it misses 2 seconds? People don't want their open webcams to suck up all their bandwidth, so they often set the refresh rate to be very slow. That means watching something like a clock - unless the refresh is under 1/2 sec, you're going to miss ticks. Many webcams refresh only once every 10 or 30 seconds! This is my point: since I can see that the second hand HAS hit on each second, except once in a while it misses a seccond, does this tell us that they (the sender) is sending at a set rate of 1/2, or 1, or what per second. They could NOT be sending at a refresh rate of once every 10 seconds, else we would see the second hand of the clock jump to the new location and hold for the the next frame. Using a simple analogue clock in the pix is very instructive, I think. What do you think. Right. But figuring out where the rate is slowed is not necessarily so simple... (IOW, your conclusion is reasonable but not 100% definitive). There's the frame rate at which the actual webcam is making images. There's the speed at which its server is pushing the data to the reflector or you (depends on which protocols are in use, etc) Then there's the speed at which you can receive the data, decode, and display it... QuickTime automatically drops frames, on your computer, if it can't process them fast enough to maintain the time sync of the video feed (be it a webcam, normal streams, or even something you're playing locally). - Dan. Yess you make a good point, but on the other hand, if we see that the cclock is NOT missing any seconds hits does this tell us all, ALL the parts are working at least at 1 frame per second or faster to produce a thruput of 1 frame per second? This has been especcially instructive as a way to test the entire thruput of a video system. It is like an electronic gage you can put in the pix easily and then see what the entire system is doing for you. I wish I had a way to do this myself. BTW: What if the face of the clock is optical vs. inserted electronically and what about using digital verse analogue, I like the physical hand moving, so it eliminates questions of insertion and tells us EXACTLY what the optical system is doing for the scene picture. JML --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe Products only on G5?
Anne is talking about the minimum requirements for Adobe's new CS4. Follow this link to the system requirements page: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/designstandard/systemreqs/?promoid=DRHWM Graphic programs allows demand the newest, biggest machines. Leo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4
On Nov 8, 2008, at 10:37 PM, joplinfan wrote: I'm kind of thinking it could be the ATI Rage 128 video card or the HD, but not positive. No. It's not the Rage 128 video card, but you should try to replace it with at minimum a Radeon 7000. Then enable Quartz Extreme with PCI Extreme 3.1 and you'll be golden. Video problems will be manifested as streaks, lines, or artifacts. There are no video problems that remove individual icons or groups of icons from the desktop, folders, or dock. This is a system issue of some sort. Is the SMART status of the HD OK? The HD verifies OK with Disk Utility? I believe some BW's had an ATA bus issue, you might look into that possibility? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adobe Products only on G5?
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:18 AM, hillhippy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne is talking about the minimum requirements for Adobe's new CS4. Follow this link to the system requirements page: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/designstandard/systemreqs/?promoid=DRHWM Graphic programs allows demand the newest, biggest machines. Well, video yeah, others not so much. Depends on your money and time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM, joplinfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a BW G3 running 10.4 fairly well... but now and then it will exhibit strange video problems such as missing icons in the Applications and Utilities folders, reloading the desktop two or three times during startup, and no response when clicking Shutdown and Restart via the menu. Usually if I use Force Quit and restart Finder, the icons will appear and things will work fine for awhile, but will eventually disappear again. I've tried all of the simple things including a new PRAM battery, reinstall the OS, rewrite the HD with zeros before reinstall, etc... but no success. I'm kind of thinking it could be the ATI Rage 128 video card or the HD, but not positive. Any ideas? Thanks. What do the startup signals tell you? Screen color etc? Loose RAM? Have you changed any hardware lately? Does it act like this when booted from optical disk? Is it possible the drive got corrupted/ overwritten by two different file systems in any way? Any hard drive noises? Loose or damaged HD cabling. Dirty connections? Everything seated properly? Can you try another HD? I would be thinking the drive is nearing the end. But maybe it is something else? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW G3 - Strange display problems running 10.4
The HD verifies fine in Disk Utility... but it is noisy and overall just seems to run sluggish and slow. I'll replace it tomorrow and see what happens. Thanks to all for the replies! Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
