Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Dan]

At 12:02 AM -0400 4/19/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me 
by replying to me. Tell me, what do you think about the iPad? I am 
curious about your opinions, because i really want to get some 
rumors that run about my head out of the way.


Personally, the iPad is great in all, but I would much rather have 
Mac OS X Snow leopard on it. I would also consider having built-in 
bluetooth so i can connect to wireless printers, and also i would 
suggest firewire ports, USB ports, a mini-VGA port, a DVI port, and 
a smart card reader hidden behind a removable cover.


Rev 0 issues aside, it's a nice device for those that need something 
a bit bigger than an iPhone and who don't mind the app store lock-in.


It is not a laptop.
It is not a netbook.
It does not come close to having the features of either.

I'm sure there are a few million people out there that will love and 
worship it appropriately (while I enjoy the stock going up).  To 
them, I wish a life-time supply of wipes (for the finger prints) and 
cloudy days (for the glare/reflections).


- Dan.
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Re: You received this message because...

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And I assume another one will be added to this message. This behavior
in new - to me at least. Once per thread should be sufficient in
digest mode. As far as I can remember, that was the case in the past.

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Re: You received this message because...

[Gary D.]

 When in Digest Mode, at the end of each and every message, the Low End
 Mac Footer has been repeating over and over and over again with the
 posting and the answer to it.

 Usually, and in the other LEM Lists I receive (all in Digest Mode),
 the footer does not carry over into the message to which one is
 replying.
 The LEM Footer appears only once at the end of the Digest.

 On this particular post to which I am replying now, I have deleted the
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Thanks for the clarification. I guess my post was a bit cryptic.
Having to hunt through the You received this message ... footers to
find the posts has me a bit grumpy.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Bequette Jeff]

I think it is perfect for my semi-luddite wife whose idea of using a  
computer is that it should adapt to her- her preferred location in the  
living room, not seated in front of a computer..

On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me  
by replying to me.


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Paul Kemner]

I certainly wouldn't buy one without a usb port, and I don't think I'd buy
anything with a store lock-in either.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 4:12 AM, Paul Kemner wrote:

 I certainly wouldn't buy one without a usb port, and I don't think I'd buy 
 anything with a store lock-in either.
 

I'm waiting for the 3G model, however I think the lack of a USB port may not be 
that much of a hindrance. It seems that between the dock connection and WIFI,
connectivity to external devices may be in the immediate future. I hope the 
stock will buy the new iPad for me.:-)

John Carmonne
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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[diane]

At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:

At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

or we could have a forums site.


To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.



Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes here 
and I can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to 
individually and I've had one too many crash on me taking valuable 
data.


My.02

Diane

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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 4:53 AM, diane wrote:

 At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:
 At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
 or we could have a forums site.
 
 To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.
 
 
 Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes here and I 
 can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to individually and I've 
 had one too many crash on me taking valuable data.
 
 My.02
 
 Diane
 


If it works why fix it? Took me a while to get used to the lists, they're much 
better than those non responsive forum web sites,
here you can get answers from knowledgeable folks fast and not have to wait for 
days till someone reads the forum. The lists
are truly interactive. A consolidation of some may be OK but I belong to all of 
them so I get most of the postings I'm interested in
Forums are for chatters IMHO:-(

John Carmonne
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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Ted Treen]

View from the UK, FWIW.

Given a choice, I'll stick with the email format.  I do visit certain forums, 
and participate therein; but the format of; the people belonging to; and the 
education received from this list greatly exceeds the value of all the forums 
put together.

Just my two pennyworth.



Ted





From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
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Sent: Monday, 19 April, 2010 13:02:44
Subject: Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?


On Apr 19, 2010, at 4:53 AM, diane wrote:

 At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:
 At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
 or we could have a forums site.
 
 To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.
 
 
 Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes here and I 
 can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to individually and I've 
 had one too many crash on me taking valuable data.
 
 My.02
 
 Diane
 


If it works why fix it? Took me a while to get used to the lists, they're much 
better than those non responsive forum web sites,
here you can get answers from knowledgeable folks fast and not have to wait for 
days till someone reads the forum. The lists
are truly interactive. A consolidation of some may be OK but I belong to all of 
them so I get most of the postings I'm interested in
Forums are for chatters IMHO:-(

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I was only suggesting a different forums interface because i answered a
question, but now that i think of it i wold much rather stick with the
current one.

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iTunes movies

[John Carmonne]

Hi All

I'm thinking of getting a big TV to watch my movie library on I would like to 
use one of my machines as a server for this via  Apple Airport Express.
I want to know the best format to convert my rips to for this and what I can 
expect quality wise.  Also the BT issue is something I want to explore here. 

John Carmonne
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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Richard Gerome]

 If it was a computer I would buy it, great price!!! But I can not use my Sprint Broadband in it so what good is it... -Original Message-
From: Mark Sokolovsky 
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To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: So what do you think about the iPad?

Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by replying to me. Tell me, what do you think about the iPad? I am curious about your opinions, because i really want to get some rumors that run about my head out of the way.
Personally, the iPad is great in all, but I would much rather have Mac OS X Snow leopard on it. I would also consider having built-in bluetooth so i can connect to wireless printers, and also i would suggest firewire ports, USB ports, a mini-VGA port, a DVI port, and a smart card reader hidden behind a removable cover.



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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[PM7500]

OS X is notoriously picky about RAM. RAM that tests fine in 9 or
earlier can still cause problems in X. Even if you buy brand new RAM,
though, there's no guarantee you won't still have a problem due to the
fussiness of X. The tiniest of flaws that passes the memory
manufacturers tests might still cause OS X to crash. RAM is a bit of a
crap shoot with OS X. Most of the time you win, but a fair bit of the
time you lose and there's nothing you can really do about it.



On Apr 18, 5:22 pm, tentengrrl tenteng...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
 docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
 The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
 unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other 
 times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do 
 the same thing.
 It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 
 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
 Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
 by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
 restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
 after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
 just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
 Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still 
 learning as I go along!
 When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
 address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
 definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
 crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
 the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be 
 attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally 
 random.
 Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy 
 more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other 
 cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
 I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop 
 a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Dan]

At 6:03 AM -0500 4/19/2010, Bequette Jeff wrote:
I think it is perfect for my semi-luddite wife whose idea of using a 
computer is that it should adapt to her- her preferred location in 
the living room, not seated in front of a computer..


Someone said to me this morning...

The wi-fi iPad is Apple's gateway drug.  It's use leads to the 
promised land, of dark-ally iPhone purchases, high iTunes bills, and 
higher phone bills.


:)

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[lana]

 I checked it out at the crowded Apple store. I am a 63 year old woman. My 
mind is better than ever but I have moderate  arthritis in my hands and 
glasses. I'll leave this ipad for others to buy. I am also retired and the 
price is too high.

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Bequette Jeff jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:


From: Bequette Jeff jbeque...@tconl.com
Subject: Re: So what do you think about the iPad?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 7:03 AM


I think it is perfect for my semi-luddite wife whose idea of using a computer 
is that it should adapt to her- her preferred location in the living room, not 
seated in front of a computer..  


On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by replying 
to me. 





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[OT] Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[John Musbach]

This discussion really belongs on the lemlists list, not here.

On 4/19/10, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was only suggesting a different forums interface because i answered a
 question, but now that i think of it i wold much rather stick with the
 current one.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[lana]

 Speaking as a retired person,the cost of an ipad is more than that of a 
basic mac mini,a computer. If what you say it doesn't do ,is true,my nieces and 
nephews for whom this was created will buy it because it's new but not be 
totally happy with it. There will be new models soon to adjust for what they 
want. Remember the history of the first ipad.

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com
Subject: So what do you think about the iPad?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 12:02 AM


Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by replying 
to me. Tell me, what do you think about the iPad? I am curious about your 
opinions, because i really want to get some rumors that run about my head out 
of the way. 


Personally, the iPad is great in all, but I would much rather have Mac OS X 
Snow leopard on it. I would also consider having built-in bluetooth so i can 
connect to wireless printers, and also i would suggest firewire ports, USB 
ports, a mini-VGA port, a DVI port, and a smart card reader hidden behind a 
removable cover.
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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[John Niven]

I have a phone (not an iPhone). I use it to speak to people. It's not fancy but 
I like the fact that it is shockproof, dustproof, and waterproof! I've dropped 
it a couple of times and it's still working. I spilt a cup of coffee on it: 
it's still working.

I have a nice Mac (actually several G4/G5/intel) at home that run Mac OS and do 
all that I need them too. I also brought a Mac to work that performs better 
than the company supplied WinXP machine. I have to hide it away from the IT 
guys, under my desk ;-)

For my mobile computing I still have my trusty G4 12 PowerBook. It has been 
around the world a number of times and given me sterling service since 2003. It 
has gone from being my primary computer, to being what I bring on vacations. I 
value portability in a mobile device, which is why I've kept it, but now I 
believe it is time to replace it with a 3G iPad.

I think the iPad WILL fill my gap. If I bought a 13 MacBook Pro (which I was 
considering) then I suspect all my other machines would become redundant, and 
that would become my main machine. An iPad compliments and therefore extends 
the life of my current machines.

I think, therefore iPad!

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[mac-in_true_love]

I would love the iPad with blootooth and at least one USB port. I
wouldn't want toload it with features, that is what computers are for.
To me. It is a great hardware  “notebook”  and should remain like
that. Printing from it is essential, I think. All of them should come
with G3 capabilities so  you coudl dtsrta without and add that service
later. The basic model  should not exist.  A card reader  does not
seem like a very expensive feature to add. This said, I think these
are basic essentials that should escalate with price for model with
additional features. The ultimate iPad should be made of a flexible
material not invented yet, so I can roll it and fit in my purse ile a
magazine, take to the bathroom, and  throw to my dog. I think it is a
great gadget and should stick around for many years. Price? I will
wait until it is less expensive and it is not a novelty and a
necessity. I can still do all of the above with the iPhone,  though I
wished I had the iPad everytime I have to watch ny videos and e-mails
at bedtime.


On Apr 18, 9:02 pm, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by
 replying to me. Tell me, what do you think about the iPad? I am curious
 about your opinions, because i really want to get some rumors that run about
 my head out of the way.

 Personally, the iPad is great in all, but I would much rather have Mac OS X
 Snow leopard on it. I would also consider having built-in bluetooth so i can
 connect to wireless printers, and also i would suggest firewire ports, USB
 ports, a mini-VGA port, a DVI port, and a smart card reader hidden behind a
 removable cover.

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OT: Why do scanners die with OS upgrades

[mark ray]

It seems that I have to replace my scanner every few OS upgrades. My  
question is why do the upgrades make the scanner a paperweight. So  
either don't upgrade or buy a b\new scanner. I look more carefully at  
reports on people who have upgraded. but when I purchase a new  
computer it has a different (newer) OS running. I understand there are  
ways around the issue. Just curious as to why, thanks.



Have the best day yet,
mray
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Re: iTunes movies

[Dan]

At 6:07 AM -0700 4/19/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a big TV to watch my movie library on I 
would like to use one of my machines as a server for this via  Apple 
Airport Express. I want to know the best format to convert my rips 
to for this and what I can expect quality wise.  Also the BT issue 
is something I want to explore here.


Does the iTunes Store offer real 1080 movies, or is their HD all 720 
still?   As I recall, AppleTV only does 720.


What format/quality are your rips?

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Re: iTunes movies

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:07 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a big TV to watch my movie library on I  
would like to use one of my machines as a server for this via  Apple  
Airport Express.
I want to know the best format to convert my rips to for this and  
what I can expect quality wise. Also the BT issue is something I  
want to explore here.


I think the subject of video formats is somewhat in flux at the  
moment. Apple is a giant proponent of the H264 codec, but Google and  
most of the open source crowd don't like H264 because the codec isn't  
open source. Google owns a similar proprietary codec called VP8 that  
they acquired when the bought On2 Technologies, and it's rumored that  
Google will change VP8 to open source as early as this week. If they  
do this, it's likely that HTML5 will become more of a viable web  
standard for future video. Unfortunately, VP8 isn't currently  
supported in iTunes, so if Apple plays hardball with Google like they  
are with Adobe Flash things will get interesting.


For now, the most compressed video codec recognized in iTunes is H264  
and the format used by Handbrake (.m4v) will create compressed rips of  
DVDs in any desired quality that will catalog and play these movies  
directly from iTunes. The future may be very different, but for now, I  
think .m4v with H264 is the best format for iTunes compatibility.


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Dan wrote:


At 6:03 AM -0500 4/19/2010, Bequette Jeff wrote:
I think it is perfect for my semi-luddite wife whose idea of using  
a computer is that it should adapt to her- her preferred location  
in the living room, not seated in front of a computer..


Someone said to me this morning...

The wi-fi iPad is Apple's gateway drug.  It's use leads to the  
promised land, of dark-ally iPhone purchases, high iTunes bills, and  
higher phone bills.


:)


Please, the iTunes Music Store was Apple's gateway drug...Andy Inhatko  
likened it to a skinner box. peck here for instant gratification The  
iPad is the high-end heroin. 8-9



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Re: iTunes movies

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Dan wrote:


At 6:07 AM -0700 4/19/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a big TV to watch my movie library on I  
would like to use one of my machines as a server for this via   
Apple Airport Express. I want to know the best format to convert  
my rips to for this and what I can expect quality wise.  Also the  
BT issue is something I want to explore here.


Does the iTunes Store offer real 1080 movies, or is their HD all  
720 still?   As I recall, AppleTV only does 720.


What format/quality are your rips?

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Full DL rips .iso and .dmg from RipIT and Mac DVD Ripper Pro   
uncompressed. I use them to burn DVD DLs and sometimes compress to  
fit on SL depending on quality issues.
I don't have any iTunes store stuff, I was referring to a format that  
plays in iTunes.

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my TiBook 800




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Re: iTunes movies

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:07 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a big TV to watch my movie library on I  
would like to use one of my machines as a server for this via   
Apple Airport Express.
I want to know the best format to convert my rips to for this and  
what I can expect quality wise. Also the BT issue is something I  
want to explore here.


I think the subject of video formats is somewhat in flux at the  
moment. Apple is a giant proponent of the H264 codec, but Google  
and most of the open source crowd don't like H264 because the codec  
isn't open source. Google owns a similar proprietary codec called  
VP8 that they acquired when the bought On2 Technologies, and it's  
rumored that Google will change VP8 to open source as early as this  
week. If they do this, it's likely that HTML5 will become more of a  
viable web standard for future video. Unfortunately, VP8 isn't  
currently supported in iTunes, so if Apple plays hardball with  
Google like they are with Adobe Flash things will get interesting.


For now, the most compressed video codec recognized in iTunes is  
H264 and the format used by Handbrake (.m4v) will create compressed  
rips of DVDs in any desired quality that will catalog and play  
these movies directly from iTunes. The future may be very  
different, but for now, I think .m4v with H264 is the best format  
for iTunes compatibility.



Will these files play with good viewing quality on a HDMI big screen  
TV? I also want to play BR on the same TV. What equipment do I need  
to get from my Mac's to the TV wirelessly.
Also can someone recommend a sensibly priced 48 TV or monitor. I  
want to play the Disney and Pixar stuff with the best viewing and  
sound:-)


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my TiBook 800




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Re: OT: Why do scanners die with OS upgrades

[Dan]

At 10:09 AM -0700 4/19/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:57 AM, mark ray wrote:
It seems that I have to replace my scanner every few OS upgrades. 
My question is why do the upgrades make the scanner a paperweight. 
So either don't upgrade or buy a b\new scanner. I look more 
carefully at reports on people who have upgraded. but when I 
purchase a new computer it has a different (newer) OS running. I 
understand there are ways around the issue. Just curious as to 
why, thanks.


I'm sorry, what?? If your scanner stops working after an OS upgrade, 
your scanner vendor needs to upgrade the driver; buying a new 
scanner is pretty seriously over-reacting.


If your scanner vendor doesn't get updates out (and 10.6 broke a lot 
of stuff) use better scanner software, like Vuescan. 
http://www.hamrick.com


Yea, what Bruce said.

Over the years, we've had a few scanners.  The best was a large 
SCSI-based Mustek, that worked from the System 7 thru the OS 9.2.2 
days.  Now we have USB scaners, HP and Canon.  They work on Puma, 
Panther, Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.  And that's before having 
to switch to Vuescan!


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Richard Gerome]

   So so true about being like a drug and addicted... I refused to get sucked 
in to that world... $$$ everywhere you turn... But I think it's pretty cool 
that I can keep up even with my 10yr old Clamshell for internet use and 
e-mail!!! If that iPad had a USB for my Sprint Broadband I might have 
considered buying one... But the fact that it's ATT and it's built in, that 
sucks, I do not need nor can I afford another monthly bill...



 Someone said to me this morning...

 The wi-fi iPad is Apple's gateway drug.  It's use leads to the  
 promised land, of dark-ally iPhone purchases, high iTunes bills, and  
 higher phone bills.

 :)

Please, the iTunes Music Store was Apple's gateway drug...Andy Inhatko  
likened it to a skinner box. peck here for instant gratification The  
iPad is the high-end heroin. 8-9


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:



  So so true about being like a drug and addicted... I refused to  
get sucked in to that world... $$$ everywhere you turn... But I  
think it's pretty cool that I can keep up even with my 10yr old  
Clamshell for internet use and e-mail!!! If that iPad had a USB for  
my Sprint Broadband I might have considered buying one... But the  
fact that it's ATT and it's built in, that sucks, I do not need nor  
can I afford another monthly bill...


Why not use Sprint's MiFi and just get the WiFi iPad?


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[John Niven]

This is the trouble. Most people already have something that overlaps with iPad 
space:

I already have 3G
I already have a netbook/laptop
I need usb Why?
I need BT I think it has that.
I need Mac OS mobile

I don't. I want something as light as possible that I can pop in my messenger 
bag and be able to pull out as easily as a phone and get a map, read email, 
browse the web to look something up, look at pictures of young girls with few 
clothes on sorry I digress :-)

I'm never going to write a novel on it, do Photoshop work, edit my next video. 
My wife has an Amazon Kindle. She likes books. She describes it a her single 
favorite possession. I get a lot from the web, and expect that the iPad will 
become mine.

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    So so true about being like a drug and
 addicted... I refused to get sucked in to that world...
 $$$ everywhere you turn... But I think it's pretty cool
 that I can keep up even with my 10yr old Clamshell for
 internet use and e-mail!!! If that iPad had a USB for my
 Sprint Broadband I might have considered buying one... But
 the fact that it's ATT and it's built in, that sucks, I
 do not need nor can I afford another monthly bill...

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Richard Gerome]

   Are you talking about that wireless network thing they sell??? Where you can 
link up a few computers to it??? That's more money a month for that, plus I 
have to buy that thing too... If that is what you are talking about??? Now 
maybe I can make something to plug that USB card into that would transmit a 
signal and link up that way??? That's basically what Sprint's MIFI is... Sounds 
good but I'm tapped out every month being on SS disability only every month, I 
lost 3 weeks pay every month because of this... Thank God my daughter works for 
the Feds and gets a discount from Sprint, plus I get a discount on top of it 
for being a Premier Customer!!! Still can not afford to pay more...


Why not use Sprint's MiFi and just get the WiFi iPad?


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USB 2.0 with OS 9?

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

Did OS 9 support the USB 2.0 protocol? I would like to get a USB 2.0 PCI 
card for a Beige G3 running 9.1 and some cards say they will run USB 2.0 
only under OS X.


Thanks!

Gorka from Spain 


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

[James Therrault]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 6:53 AM, diane wrote:


At 1:50 AM -0400 4/19/10, Dan wrote:

At 11:43 PM -0400 4/18/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

or we could have a forums site.


To be honest, going pure forums is a deal breaker with me.



Ditto. No forums for me, hate them. Email is great, it all comes  
here and I can filter it to separate it. Forums I have to go to  
individually and I've had one too many crash on me taking valuable  
data.


My.02

Diane




Same here...  I just delete about 95% of the email and that's fine.   
If there is a subject area that interests me, I'll read it and  
comment if I might be of help.


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Re: USB 2.0 with OS 9?

[Len Gerstel]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote:

Did OS 9 support the USB 2.0 protocol? I would like to get a USB  
2.0 PCI card for a Beige G3 running 9.1 and some cards say they  
will run USB 2.0 only under OS X.


Thanks!


Sorry, no USB 2 drivers were ever written for OS 9. So the cards are  
correct, but they should still work at USB 1 speeds.


Len

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[James Therrault]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Dan wrote:


At 6:03 AM -0500 4/19/2010, Bequette Jeff wrote:
I think it is perfect for my semi-luddite wife whose idea of using  
a computer is that it should adapt to her- her preferred location  
in the living room, not seated in front of a computer..


Someone said to me this morning...

The wi-fi iPad is Apple's gateway drug.  It's use leads to the  
promised land, of dark-ally iPhone purchases, high iTunes bills,  
and higher phone bills.


:)



Heh...  I guess that you might classify me as hardcore sales  
resistant.  I own none of the above!


JT

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

lana, a new intel Mac mini is actually $599. The introductory price for an
iPad is $499. Unless you buy a used mac, that's a different story. For 1/5
of the iPad's intro price, you can buy yourself a decent Power Mac G4
Quicksilver, and run leopard on it.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Richard Gerome I also have a clamshell iBook. It's an original tangerine
with 544MB of RAM, and it has jaguar on it. I keep up with it too.a very
decent system to use, but mine is 11yrs old not 10.

Just to clear out any rumors, the iBook (even the original blueberry and
tangerine ones) can house up to 544MB of RAM. just go to:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iBooks-PowerBooks/G3-iBook/
there you can get yourself a low-profile 512MB module for better oomph in
your iBook.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

yes i do agree. How about a PowerBook G4? they go for $250. half the price
of a Mac mini yet fully functional.

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Re: USB 2.0 with OS 9?

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

Sorry, no USB 2 drivers were ever written for OS 9. So the cards are 
correct, but they should still work at USB 1 speeds.


Thanks! I´m fairly new to OS 9. The machine already has a 2xUSB/2xFW400 PCI 
card so looks like a replacement wouldn`t be needed!


Gorka from Spain 


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Re: USB 2.0 with OS 9?

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote:


Did OS 9 support the USB 2.0 protocol?


No, there are no MacOS (OS 9.x) cards, they're all OS X only.


I would like to get a USB 2.0 PCI card for a Beige G3.


Install 10.4 Tiger on your Beige and it will work with a USB 2.0 card.  
You can install 10.4 Tiger on the Beige using XPostFacto 4.0.


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[John Niven]

Yes I have one of those, but it's slow these days and lasts less than 2 hours 
on battery. It doesn't offer 3G built in. I'm planning on replacing it with an 
iPad. I have other (non-mobile) Macs for more extensive computing.

It's like saying why do you need a cell phone, you can just carry $0.25 and 
use a payphone!


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How about a PowerBook G4? they go for $250. half the price of a Mac mini yet 
fully functional.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

yes i do agree. How about a PowerBook G4? they go for $250. half the  
price

of a Mac mini yet fully functional.


For certain values of fully functional, that is; they're  
significantly slower than any Intel-based Mac and don't run 10.6.


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Richard Gerome]

 My 3 Clamshells are all 466mhz with 576mb but they are all Indigo and White, I changed the motherboards and 2 I also added the DVD drives... They are great machines compared to my G4 Ti-Powerbook with all the keyboard and trackpad marks on the screen, also the hinges and the CD's that pop out for no reason... Right now I'm trying to put a 60g 7200rpm HD in it so I can run Tiger but I can not get the new HD to show up in the install window to install Tiger, I returned it for another one and the same thing??? If anyone knows what's up with that it would be great!!! But I'm prob going to install it in my Powerbook and put Tiger on it in there, then put it in my Clamshell after...  I am still pissed about that iPad and no USB...-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

Richard Gerome I also have a clamshell iBook. It's an original tangerine with 544MB of RAM, and it has jaguar on it. I keep up with it too.a very decent system to use, but mine is 11yrs old not 10.
Just to clear out any rumors, the iBook (even the original blueberry and tangerine ones) can house up to 544MB of RAM. just go to:http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iBooks-PowerBooks/G3-iBook/
there you can get yourself a low-profile 512MB module for better "oomph" in your iBook.



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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

Right now I'm trying to put a 60g 7200rpm HD in it so I can run  
Tiger but I can not get the new HD to show up in the install window  
to install Tiger, I returned it for another one and the same thing???


Did you partition and format the drive when you put it in? MOst hard  
drives come either unformatted or formatted as MS-DOS and won't show  
in the installer window


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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:
 
 Right now I'm trying to put a 60g 7200rpm HD in it so I can run Tiger but I 
 can not get the new HD to show up in the install window to install Tiger, I 
 returned it for another one and the same thing???
 
 Did you partition and format the drive when you put it in? MOst hard drives 
 come either unformatted or formatted as MS-DOS and won't show in the 
 installer window
 
 -- 


Sounds like a PRAM battery issue to me. Ive gotten desperate to see a drive in 
a early PB and resorted to Norton to get it to mount. Works every time. Just 
don't run the Doctor part on the drive if you want to put OSX on it.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: You received this message because...

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Re: My G5 won't start up

[JIM RAPER]

Hello, Have made some decisions. Have checked out best I can. Burned up
Power Supply at least. No discernible coolant leakage damage. Howsomever
replacement PS and labor look to run $350 to $450 at best. Best PS
replacement for me to do work $225-$275. I don't have the confidence anymore
to fiddle with removing and then reinstalling TWO processors. You have to
strip a lot of stuff to get to PS. Cost is over to well-over what I paid for
this computer.

I will scrap it, salvaging whatever I can that can be used on my old but
reliable Sawtooth until I save enough out of my pension to buy another Mac
with better potential longevity. Thanks and sorry about messing up my
earlier attempt to reply.  Jim

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Dan]

At 1:31 PM -0700 4/19/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Yeah, but laying a G4 in your lap to read a book is, shall we say, 
JUST a little inconvenient? :-)


The public library has millions of books - for free.

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Re: My G5 won't start up

[Mark Sokolovsky]

You're right...  sawtooth PM g4 is very reliable. I have a 400Mhz PowerPC G4
CPU, 2GB SDRAM, 64MB ATI RADEON 9000 (i pulled the video card as a spare
part from a quicksilver). It's running Leopard flawlessly. Front row is
great, dashboard is no longer choppy, andi can open stacks without freezing.
I thought my PM G4 was really being killed under leopard, because maybe i
thought that such an old G4 can't handle it. In reality, Leopard was slow
until i trashed that old ATI RAGE 128PRO card with 16MB of VRAM. After i got
the new replacement video card, my system ran leopard much faster, and much
more efficiently. The system runs great under leopard even though it has
less that half the processing power required for leopard because leopard
requires 512MB of RAM. 1GB is decent, but i have an extra 1GB to compensate
for the missing 467MHz. It works fine.

Professional software doesn't have dancing paper clips!

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card

[romantic]

Roman said:


think the chipset issue may be OK. Vendor ID  0x059b


ktilfo...@cox.net : repliedI




The chipset is sometimes separate from the reported Vendor ID   
Device ID. For example, many external enclosure use Oxford FW400  
chipsets, and in this case, the chipmaker Oxford provides customer  
level firmware. However the OEM manufacturers often use custom  
firmware that identifies the Vender  Device as something within  
their own company rather than Oxford. In your case, this USB-to- 
SATA bridge board is being identified as Iomega which to my  
knowledge doesn't manufacture chips, they manufacture  
enclosures. This means the real chipset would need to be  
identified by actually inspecting the chip to get the manufacturer  
 model #.


A Google search of the Vendor ID  Device ID (0x059b0x0370)  
seems to turn up a litany of crash reports, all on Macs. This is a  
really bad omen, it appears that this external enclosure seems to  
be involved somehow in crashes of many applications including Final  
Cut Pro, FileMaker, HandBrake and others. These applications are  
all HD intensive applications, so it appears you've been doubly  
unlucky, you have a VIA chipset PCI card that has issues, and you  
also have an Iomega external USB enclosure that appears to have Mac  
specific issues that causes multiple HD intensive applications to  
crash.


Another bothersome aspect is the firmware. Your Iomega drive  
reports firmware version 1.0f while others having the exact same  
Vendor ID  Device ID are reporting different firmware such as  
f6.15. Normally identical Vendor ID  Device ID would have  
identical firmware, and these two version #'s don't seemingly come  
from the same firmware series. It's possible that Iomega is using  
multiple chipset manufacturers and hiding this by using identical  
Vendor ID  Device ID for very different but similar looking  
products. I think you've got a double whammy mess, and you probably  
need both a different PCI USB Card and a different HD enclosure.


http://www.google.com/search?q=%220x059b%22%220x0370%22btnG=Search



Thank you Kris, for this extra effort.
 Warm regards,
Roman

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Re: My G5 won't start up

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Wait a minute... if you are scrapping the tower, can I have the G5 case? I
want to build a Mac using spare parts, but i have no spare cases left. I
will offer $50 for the case itself.

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Re: USB 2.0 with OS 9?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Install Tiger on e beige G3? Yeah right... unless you are looking to run
into problems with performance, i suggest you go with jaguar. Here is what i
suggest for your system to have before you get tiger on it:

300Mhz PowerPC G3
512MB RAM
16MB video RAM
30GB HDD

Tiger will work on it for sure, but you really are stepping into the RED
ZONE. Be prepared for video issues, KP, and most likely very slow
performance.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey Bruce,
Cool I will try that, I never installed a new drive before but I did 
swap them out many times but they were used ones!!! Thanks, I hope that 
works... 



On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 Right now I'm trying to put a 60g 7200rpm HD in it so I can run  
 Tiger but I can not get the new HD to show up in the install window  
 to install Tiger, I returned it for another one and the same thing???

Did you partition and format the drive when you put it in? MOst hard  
drives come either unformatted or formatted as MS-DOS and won't show  
in the installer window

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I have an idea...

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I perfectly understand that Snow Leopard is not supported at all under the
PowerPC architecture, but what if i modified the code in the system? I do
see a way that I can take the code from Leopard and put it in snow leopard.
Then integrate Rosetta into the system to run the intel programs. It's a
longshot, but it just might work. Would that be illegal?

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