Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle
On May 31, 2010, at 7:16 PM, larry moore shirley allan wrote: ID: 406, BW G4/450 AGP with only the end slot of RAM populated. This isn't a BW (Blue White), it's an AGP Graphics G4. This is a whole level better than a BW because you can get an AGP video card that supports both Quartz Extreme Core Image. I doubt I'll convince you to get a relatively expensive AGP card that supports Core Image, but a cheap Radeon card that supports Quartz Extreme should be a worthwhile investment. I'd think you should be able to get something suitable for $20 or less if you search around. It can take up to 2GB RAM (4x512MB PC100 or PC133 SDRAM). An AGP Graphics is about the lowest level of Mac that's suitable for OS X without having to spend a fortune upgrading. This is a nice Mac for Tiger 10.4.11, and could even run Leopard with a little cajoling. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Vic Mabus vma...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Windows?from=rss by rolfwind (528248) http://slashdot.org/%7Erolfwind on Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1670694cid=32413200) Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body, it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor. Great! One more thing to worry about... writes: __ WTF ! -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Vic Mabus vma...@gmail.com mailto:vma...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Windows?from=rss by rolfwind (528248) http://slashdot.org/%7Erolfwind on Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200 http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1670694cid=32413200) Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body, it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor. Great! One more thing to worry about... writes: __ WTF ! I think someone is trying to make a joke. I, myself, don't get it. peace, Dennis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G3- G4 Upgrade Aftermath.
Glad to hear you got it up and running. Upgrading a Mac can be an expensive proposition. It really depends on how far upgraded yours really is and how much it would cost to get the replacement parts. I'd love to upgrade my Digital Audio, but can't really justify it right now. I cna get a Celeron E3200 for $35 that would blow away any G4 or G5 ever made, so.. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?
On May 30, 7:03 pm, Scotty daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it. I don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old Lampshade iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best performance out of my hardware. If you have used Linux and are comfortable with it, then it's a good choice. However, mainstream PPC support is falling off. BSD's are a pain to work with since they are so stripped down. I have Tiger on my iBook so it's still a viable system. I have Linux on my Thinkpads. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
On 6/1/10 6:04 AM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Vic Mabus vma...@gmail.com mailto:vma...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Win dows?from=rss by rolfwind (528248) http://slashdot.org/%7Erolfwind on Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200 http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1670694cid=32413200) Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body, it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor. Great! One more thing to worry about... writes: __ WTF ! I think someone is trying to make a joke. I, myself, don't get it. peace, Dennis Yes, a joke. The actual spear-fishing article's link was embedded in one of the Google-ditches-MS post, which lead to a tech article talking about a Utube vid showing some Russian techie testing his Asus LS201 monitor by shooting a couple of crossbow arrows at it - surprisingly, the monitor survived. Would the iMac do the same? Well, I won't try it :-) Sort of a hijacked thread. Have a good day, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?
I too love the Quick Silver but have one caveat.We lost power three times in one hour. I am told the power supply went. I found one for $20 on ebay but now have to pay $25 to put it in.This is apparently a problem with some quicksilvers? I really like the machine and so think the repair is worth it. From: Larry Stotler larrystot...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 8:59:44 AM Subject: Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X? On May 30, 7:03 pm, Scotty daniel.stewart...@gmail.com wrote: I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it. I don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old Lampshade iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best performance out of my hardware. If you have used Linux and are comfortable with it, then it's a good choice. However, mainstream PPC support is falling off. BSD's are a pain to work with since they are so stripped down. I have Tiger on my iBook so it's still a viable system. I have Linux on my Thinkpads. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Missing mail
On May 31, 2010, at 9:59 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Try rebuilding the mailbox. (Mailbox Rebuild) Re-installing the system does nothing to fix this. Rebuild fixed it but it sure is a wierd ting it seemed to take forever to do anything. No progress indication and then after about 15 mins it was all there.:-) What does rebuild do? does it show progress while it's working? What you see in your Inbox (at least the top pane) is actually not your mail, but an index of that mail. As mail is delivered, read, moved, or deleted, that index is altered to reflect the current state of your mail store. These indexes can get out of sync or corrupted (they're being written to almost all the time so any sort of hiccup that affects disk io or power can mess them up.) This happens more often with IMAP indices than POP in my experience, but in both case the fix is simple, just trash the index file and rebuild it by scanning all your mail. The size of the mailbox will directly affect how long it takes, obviously. To see what's going on, and get an indication of the activity, open the Activity window in Mail. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Great! One more thing to worry about... writes: __ WTF ! A joke, as others have said, and a pun on the tactic used to penetrate google in China, which is called 'spearphishing', which entails the same tactics as phishing does, sending an email designed to make you run malware or click on a link that will install it, but spearphishing is highly directional, aimed at specific users with much more plausible messages than the typical phishing email. Here's how it works: Compromise a mail account in a company, either with 'regular' phishing methods or social engineering. Craft a malicious payload and aim it at that person's boss, making it look like a perfectly normal message from you. Once their email account is cracked, work your way up the ladder until you get someone with major data access, and using sniffers compromise their accounts, and you're in like flynn. And none of this stuff uses the commercially available malware that all the industrial spammers use, so it's not readily stopped by antispyware or antivirus software. You need an OS that's hardened from the start. Windows isn't. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
Vic Mabus writes, http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Windows?from=rss by rolfwind (528248) on Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200) Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body, it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor. Great! One more thing to worry about... What is spearfishing? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:22 AM, ===( )8 wrote: What is spearfishing? A method of sport and light commercial fishing where a spear is used to strike the fish directly to catch it rather than using a hook and bait or a net. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spearfishing SpearPHISHING is a method of social engineering used to compromise information systems: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/april09/spearphishing_040109.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
I believe it is spam that is tailored to be aimed at you based on information stolen or obtain about you through other means. On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:22 AM, ===( )8 wrote: Vic Mabus writes, http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Windows?from=rss by rolfwind (528248) on Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200) Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body, it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor. Great! One more thing to worry about... What is spearfishing? ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
Bruce Johnson writes, SpearPHISHING is a method of social engineering used to compromise information systems: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/april09/spearphishing_040109.html Okay, thank you. Yeah, the spearPHISHING link answers my question; as to spearFISHING, I wondered what that had to do with computers. Thanks, ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
Dear Staff, More than a week ago I attempted to remove myself from this group's mailings. Evidently I didn't do it correctly, as I'm still receiving tons of email each and every day. Can you or someone please direct me in this regard? Thank you. -- gynb...@yahoo.com From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 8:12:40 AM Subject: Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows On 6/1/10 6:04 AM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Vic Mabus vma...@gmail.com mailto:vma...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/06/01/011203/Google-Reportedly-Ditching-Win dows?from=rss by rolfwind (528248) http://slashdot.org/%7Erolfwind on Monday May 31, @09:24PM (#32413200 http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1670694cid=32413200) Macs are only more susceptible to spearfishing because the monitor and body are one. Ram a spear through that and the whole machine is gone. With most windows machines, spearfishers go for the bright monitor but since the real guts of the machine is in a seperate body, it just requires replacing an ever-cheaper monitor. Great! One more thing to worry about... writes: __ WTF ! I think someone is trying to make a joke. I, myself, don't get it. peace, Dennis Yes, a joke. The actual spear-fishing article's link was embedded in one of the Google-ditches-MS post, which lead to a tech article talking about a Utube vid showing some Russian techie testing his Asus LS201 monitor by shooting a couple of crossbow arrows at it - surprisingly, the monitor survived. Would the iMac do the same? Well, I won't try it :-) Sort of a hijacked thread. Have a good day, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle
On 01/06/10 01:26 AM, Stewie de Young wrote: ID: 406, BW G4/450 AGP with only the end slot of RAM populated. Do yourself a huge favor and buy a 512mb stick of ram for that machine. They frequently go for $20-$25 here on the G3-5 list or LEMswap. Stewie I have someone mailing a couple of 256s - I'm hoping later to gather 4 512s . No urgency, about it, the same time frame as replacing the turquoise EMF-noisy iMac with a BW G4 and getting a new MB for the Quadra 610. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?
On 6/1/10 11:02 AM, lana mlitwin3...@att.net wrote: I too love the Quick Silver but have one caveat.We lost power three times in one hour. I am told the power supply went. I found one for $20 on ebay but now have to pay $25 to put it in.This is apparently a problem with some quicksilvers? I really like the machine and so think the repair is worth it. Am curious as to why the charge, outside of labor for hire. Power supplies on these units (the QS) are no harder than earlier models; in fact the QS is the last model where the PSU (power supply) is fairly easy to replace (unlike the MDDs and beyond). Instructions are easy to find online (try this: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Repairing-Power-Mac-G4-Quicksilver-Power- Supply/2053/1 ) If you've never done this, and are simply more comfortable having an experienced other performing the task for assurance sake, then that's understandable - Quicksilvers are worth it! Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle
On 01/06/10 02:25 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 31, 2010, at 7:16 PM, larry moore shirley allan wrote: ID: 406, BW G4/450 AGP with only the end slot of RAM populated. This isn't a BW (Blue White), it's an AGP Graphics G4. This is a whole level better than a BW because you can get an AGP video card that supports both Quartz Extreme Core Image. I doubt I'll convince you to get a relatively expensive AGP card that supports Core Image, but a cheap Radeon card that supports Quartz Extreme should be a worthwhile investment. I'd think you should be able to get something suitable for $20 or less if you search around. It can take up to 2GB RAM (4x512MB PC100 or PC133 SDRAM). An AGP Graphics is about the lowest level of Mac that's suitable for OS X without having to spend a fortune upgrading. This is a nice Mac for Tiger 10.4.11, and could even run Leopard with a little cajoling. Is the AGP plug next to the monitor HD-15? The board that seems to feed both plugs in her machine was made by ATI Technologies in 1999. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?
I am leary of even taking the back off of the computer. The last time I tried it was a disaster. I would rather pay $25 for ensured success. From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 12:35:22 PM Subject: Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X? On 6/1/10 11:02 AM, lana mlitwin3...@att.net wrote: I too love the Quick Silver but have one caveat.We lost power three times in one hour. I am told the power supply went. I found one for $20 on ebay but now have to pay $25 to put it in.This is apparently a problem with some quicksilvers? I really like the machine and so think the repair is worth it. Am curious as to why the charge, outside of labor for hire. Power supplies on these units (the QS) are no harder than earlier models; in fact the QS is the last model where the PSU (power supply) is fairly easy to replace (unlike the MDDs and beyond). Instructions are easy to find online (try this: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Repairing-Power-Mac-G4-Quicksilver-Power- Supply/2053/1 ) If you've never done this, and are simply more comfortable having an experienced other performing the task for assurance sake, then that's understandable - Quicksilvers are worth it! Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle
On Jun 1, 2010, at 10:52 AM, larry moore shirley allan wrote: This is a nice Mac for Tiger 10.4.11, and could even run Leopard with a little cajoling. Is the AGP plug next to the monitor HD-15? The board that seems to feed both plugs in her machine was made by ATI Technologies in 1999. AGP refers to the slot architecture the card plugs into internally. What's on the back of the card is a VGA and (probably) an Apple Display Connector (ADC). -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Quicksilver 2002
Anyone have Quicksilver 2002 System Resource file for Mac OS 9. I have necessary System 9.2.2 and Mac OS Rom 9.0.1. Just need that System Resource file. THANKS. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G3- G4 Upgrade Aftermath.
There will be newer and newer computers made fter the GX processor era, so saying that the newer processors are million times better than the PowerPC Processors isn't fair. When it comes to info and web browsing, I will always stick with my ever aging but reliable ol' iSaw. It's my main computer even though I have 3 Mac Pro towers sitting next to it. It's always been there for me for the past 11 years, and I never gave up on it. I still only have it because it means so much to me. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
Spear Fishing? Phew! Good thing I have Mac Pros and a Sawtooth! I do have iMacs, so can I get a force field at best buy? Or the Military? lol -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4
At 12:19 AM -0400 6/1/2010, Dan wrote: At 2:07 PM -0700 5/31/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: Quoth the Shutterfly message: Shutterfly Sites requires one of the following browsers: Internet Explorer 6.0 + FireFox 1.5 + Safari 3.0 + (except 3.0.4) Ok. No idea what message is. Is that something a Shutterfly employee emailed to you? Is it an error message you're receiving? Is it a requirement for some particular function? Might be worth asking them why, I guess. When I look on Shutterfly's site, the only thing I'm finding is this page: http://shutterfly-2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/384/kw/browser%20requirements Shutterfly tech support replied to my query. The minimum version of Safari required is 2.0, exactly as specificied by that help page. All of version 3 is also fully supported. It would help if you would supply specifics as to where you're seeing this except 3.0.4 claim. I'm guessing they'll keep my support ticket open for only a few days - so... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G3- G4 Upgrade Aftermath.
On Jun 1, 8:44 pm, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: There will be newer and newer computers made fter the GX processor era, so saying that the newer processors are million times better than the PowerPC Processors isn't fair. When it comes to info and web browsing, I will always stick with my ever aging but reliable ol' iSaw. It's my main computer even though I have 3 Mac Pro towers sitting next to it. It's always been there for me for the past 11 years, and I never gave up on it. I still only have it because it means so much to me. You take me the wrong way. I'm the same way. I'm typing this on a Thinkpad A22p P3/1Ghz laptop. It's got a 1600x1200 screen that no new laptop can top. It's a 10 year old machine, and I use it all the time for on the go browsing and work. I also have an older 390X that gets less use mainly due to the fact that I finally got a battery for the A22p. However, I have to be realistic. I've spent a good bit of money upgrading older Macs that I never use. My 9600 has a G4/700 1GB RAM. I haven't even turned it on in almost a year. My Wallstreet is really too slow to run a modern Linux or Tiger without the G4 upgrade I always seem to miss when it's afordable(either someone else gets it or I don't have the $$ when it is there). I'd love to upgrade my Digital Audio to a faster chip, but again, it doesn't get the usage to justify it. My Server is a Celeron E1200 overclocked 100% running linux with 2 1.5TB SATA drives. Got less than $500 in the whole thing. Only upgrades I'm looking at are more drives. I also use it to re-encode movies, so the fast chip is a need. Trying to get my DA to anywhere close could cost me $500, and still be nowhere as fast due to the slower memory bus. Old Macs are great IF you have a use for them. I've learned a great deal from them which helps me take care of my Mac customers, but I just see them used less and less. I wish I could get more use out of them. I want to get my 3400 working with the wireless card I recently picked up, but haven't had the time. And even then, the 800x600 screen is barely usable online anymore(Same with my iBook 366 that I'm going to put a 1024x768 screen in when I get the time.). Once you get used to being able to see a website on a nice hi res screen, it's hard to drop back. And, with PowerMacs losing support with the newest 10.5/10.6, where are we going to be in a year or two? Run Linux on them, which would be easier to run on a cheaper PC? And lose Flash support(although that's not a loss IMO)? Then we lose the reason they are Macs. Most mainstream Linux distros have dropped Offical PPC support anyway. And BSD's are even harder to use than Linux. I started out with Macs trying to help people run Linux on them, and I will still do so. However, I see it as a less useful upgrade now that I know OS X better. It's Force Obselecense. Apple doesn't want us to run older macs. They want us to by new Mac Pros and Macbooks. Apple makes zip on a PowerPC machine now. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Keychain was Re: LOST PASSWORD
On May 20, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Andy wrote: This won't however change your Keychain password which will remain as it was. If you can't remember it the only option is then to create a new keychain. Who designs this crazy stuff? OK, swapped out my DVD drive and booted from my Leopard disk. I changed my user password. But now my mail keeps getting a keychain window and goes offline. How do I get it to stop asking for another password? I never changed any password in keychain so I don't even know what to put in. And if I change anything in this keychain will it affect the keychain for other users? Linda in Ohio -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slashdot News Story | Google Reportedly Ditching Windows
A more cogent posting by the OP would have spared the list a lot of guesswork. The next time I want to to obfusticate issues I will remember to just leave out the explanation of any relationship of subjects that I want to communicate.. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Infamous error 36
Google pages are steaming with this error: The Finder cannot complete the operation because some of the data in smb://[..] could not be read or written I'm Googled out, trying to find a solution that works. Got any ideas? I'm trying to copy from a Linux machine with a Samba server. Thanks for your considered thoughts. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Infamous error 36
Error -36 indicates a disc operation is timing out. There is a terminal command CP that may help you - you can make it copy the files it can while skipping the ones it can't. On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Nestamicky wrote: Google pages are steaming with this error: The Finder cannot complete the operation because some of the data in smb://[..] could not be read or written I'm Googled out, trying to find a solution that works. Got any ideas? I'm trying to copy from a Linux machine with a Samba server. Thanks for your considered thoughts. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Infamous error 36
On 01/06/10 9:54 PM, Nikki Wraith wrote: Error -36 indicates a disc operation is timing out. There is a terminal command CP that may help you - you can make it copy the files it can while skipping the ones it can't. This makes sense since further research points to I/O error. I'd can't say I know how to use CP to copy under my particular circumstances. Thanks for the idea though. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Infamous error 36
Either one of the drives involved is crapping out, or your network has serious packet loss.. On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Nestamicky wrote: On 01/06/10 9:54 PM, Nikki Wraith wrote: Error -36 indicates a disc operation is timing out. There is a terminal command CP that may help you - you can make it copy the files it can while skipping the ones it can't. This makes sense since further research points to I/O error. I'd can't say I know how to use CP to copy under my particular circumstances. Thanks for the idea though. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Infamous error 36
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 23:54 -0400, Nikki Wraith wrote: Error -36 indicates a disc operation is timing out. There is a terminal command CP that may help you - you can make it copy the files it can while skipping the ones it can't. Howdy, http://support.apple.com/kb/TA20949?viewlocale=en_US indicates that other samba setup problems can cause this. Is the share setup to support guest access? If not, are you supplying the correct username and password? If you want the samba share to support guest access, look at /etc/samba/smb.conf. See if you have these three lines under the share definition you are trying to access: guest ok = yes public = yes browseable = yes Good luck, Ralph -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anyone tried Logitech's LCC 3.2?
At 12:27 PM -0400 5/31/2010, Bill Connelly wrote: Under 10.5.8 on my Digital Audio Dual 533, I've been using an Apple AL KB and Mighty Mouse with great success, and wanted to switch to my Logitech MX Duo KB and Mouse. I just tried Logitech's LCC 3.2 for my MX Wireless KB and Mouse ... I'm getting double characters Known problem. People have been complaining about it in Logitech's forums for a while. For now, revert to an older version of LCC. ...This problem is so easy to reproduce,,, it really makes me wonder WTF Logitech is doing - this would be a total failure of developer AND beta testing. Looks like Logitech withdrew the 3.2 release by breaking their download page, btw, back in mid May. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4
Dan wrote: At 6:41 AM -0700 5/30/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote: I just tried to go to my high school reunion social networking site (which is on Shutterfly). I seems that it requires Safari 3.0 or higher, EXCEPT 3.0.4. Naturally, that's what I have on my MDD running 10.4. Being a naturally suspicious person, I want to know why this site would hate 3.0.4 so much before I download an upgrade just to make Shutterfly happy. Does anybody know? Should I hate Safari 3.0.4 too? Never heard of this. Perhaps something is coded to incorrectly check the browser version? Exactly what/where says it doesn't like Safari 3.0.4? Shutterfly's help area says: - Firefox 2.0 or higher for PC or Mac - Safari 2.0 or higher for Mac Aside... Since you're running Tiger, you should be fully updated to 10.4.11 and Safari 4.0.5... - Dan. why? I don't use safari. don't even know installed vs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Benchmarking/Troubleshooting Software
Hi, I am looking for some Benchmarking or Troubleshooting software that will run under Mac OS X 10.3.9. I am looking for this because I have 3 iBook G3 500 Late 2001. They all have 256MB of RAM and 15GB Hard Drives. 2 of them boot up really nice and quick and are ready to go the 3rd takes at least a minute to a minute an 1/2 longer to boot than the others. It seems to sit on the screen that is grey with the swirling circle a lot longer than the other 2 do. This happens regardless of if the laptop is running on battery or electrical. Troubleshooting: 1) Ran Apple Hardware Diagnostics with no problems. 2) Someone suggested that it might be an issue with the Hard Drive so I ran FSCK with no errors. 3) Ran Apple Hard Drive Utility and ran a check on the hard drive and did a correct permissions. The check was clean and it corrected some permissions, still no change. 4) As a last resort I wiped the hard drive and re-installed 10.3.9, still no change. I know this isn't the iBook group, but these computers are G3s and I'm not a member of the iBook group. If you think I'll be better served there let me know. I'm really just looking for suggestions on where to go next. Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
