Linux Aftermath
Hey All… I've been experimenting with linux and thought I'd try installing it on a Sawtooth I had sitting around collecting dust. The machine was running just fine before I tried installing Ubuntu. I got almost through the installation and the installer decided that my DVD was faulty. Several more fruitless attempts and I decided to reinstall OS X 10.5. The problem… Now I can't boot the Sawtooth from =any= Mac OS media. OS 9.2.2 and OS X 10.0 go to a empty grey screen and nothing further happens. (Optical drive activity stops, as well) OS X 10.4 and 10.5 go to the Apple on a grey screen with the spinning cog and nothing further happens. (The optical drive activity led stays lighted (with an occasional flicker). I've let the machine churn for a couple of hours and no joy! I've tried zapping the pram and resetting the Nvram. Trying to start in target disk mode ends with the machine shutting down. The Sawtooth =will= boot to a linux cd!? I've used three optical drives and tried three different hard drives. Next step is to pull my DA out of the closet and see if I can install an OS on one of the drives from the AGP. I've tried just about everything I can think of. Have I fatally munged the Sawtooth somehow? Has anyone else run into this issue? I would deeply appreciate any suggestions Thanks, Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Linux Aftermath
Ah! Thank you sir! I'll give that a try right now. Amanda On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: I've tried just about everything I can think of. Have I fatally munged the Sawtooth somehow? Has anyone else run into this issue? I would deeply appreciate any suggestions Remove the PRAM battery. Press the CUDA button a couple of times, let it sit 30 minutes to overnight. Replace the battery, then press the CUDA once. Will probably work after that. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 17, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Michael G.M. wrote: On Apr 15, 7:46 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Barney Guzzo wrote: Is there a way for us with G4's to play Netflix movies on our Mac's? Everything I read says I have to have an Intel Mac. Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v Not quite. AMD -is- Intel compatible. Generally... any software that runs on Intel, runs on AMD. So perhaps a better phrase might have been Intel compatible only. Emulators? Not a clue, but the software would still see an Intel compatible processor. Also, the amount of work involved to make a G4 compatible with PC parts will take more time than what it's worth vs. getting a mid tower PC case that will support ATX or Micro ATX mobos and standard power supplies that will fit in these cases. Probably true! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard on an 800MHz eMac (ATI)? (... and stuff)
Hi Joe... On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Joe Duran wrote: On Mar 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, iJohn wrote:l I was wondering if anything other than performance might go wrong if I moved her eMac to Leopard? Technically it doesn't meet the minimum requirement of 867MHz, but it's not very far off. So if the only concern is how well it might perform it seems like it's worth trying it to find out. I'm not sure Leopard will run on the 800mhz. The minimum is stated at 867mhz and I think the install disc will not proceed if it detects a slower processor. Tiger would be a good choice and will perform faster (at least according to my subjective experiences with both on an eMac). The main reason I went to Leopard was to get iTunes 10, so I could continue to upgrade and sync my iPhone OS. You can fake the installer with an Open Firmware tweak to indicate a faster processor speed. I'm running Leopard on a DA/733 and it's okay, but it's like... my number 3 machine after the Intel iMac and Sawtooth w/1.6 GHz upgrade. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: GIFs Preview
IIRC you need to open the .gif with a browser or a program specifically written to view animated gif files. Amanda On Jan 23, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I downloaded some GIFs that contain motion but Preview never shows that. Is there some setting I am missing or do I need another image viewer? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Ungrateful Apple abandons older Mac service
On Dec 12, 2010, at 7:05 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:20 PM -0600 12/11/2010, James Therrault wrote: Even if you got zapped, it would only be a momentary discomfort. Lotsa voltage but notta lot of current... ROFLMAO. Arg, 'tis a nice tingle. (Down Periscope - the radio guy providing power to the system thru his body). I still have scars from a crt zap, in HS. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. No scars, but I'll never forget the sensation of getting zapped with the 208V / 400Hz inside a launcher control console that was supposed to be powered down! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 DP 450 Gig-E issues
On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:01 PM -0500 12/4/2010, rtows...@aol.com wrote: 1. Pulled video card, ram HD, replaced pram battery. Still no beeps/chimes/fans or HD spin. 2. Power Supply shows no 28v so guess it's the supply. Sounds like it. Going looking for one now :-( The GigE and DA use the same basic supply. When you get done gasping at the power supply prices, check this out: http://atxg4.com/ Nice. I ended up buying a parts machine (with P/S) for less than a power supply alone would have cost me. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: install osx 10.5
I'm running Leopard on a Sawtooth with a 1.6 GHz G4 from OWC, with 1 GB ram, runs great! (Not a great as it did on my Intel iMac, but really good) Have Leo on my 733MHz DA, with 1 GB ram. Runs okay... a bit slow, but okay. Mostly use the DA for network storage and burning videos. @ On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Yes. I am running 10.5 on a 933MHz QS Power Mac. Are you satisfied with the performance of 10.5 vs 10.4? I have a Snakebite Dual 500 G4. Would 10.5 improve the speed of my Mac or slow me down? Larry -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Sawtooth problem
On Nov 20, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Powermac wrote: I snagged a G4-400 Sawtooth in the hopes of upgrading it to a dual G4-500. Unfortunatly I didn't know you need a Uni-n rev 7 or higher for the setup to work (the machine boots into OS 9.2.2 fine and System profiler shows 2 x 500 CPUs with cache, but OSX installs kernal panic on booting from the OS disk). So what would be my options other then sticking the single G4-400 back into the system? Are sawtooth motherboards with rev 7 chip common and cheap? Will a newer motherboard (GiGE?) fit and work with the old PS? I too snagged a Sawtooth looking to upgrade. Had a Uni-n 5. Damn! Went to OWC and picked up a single Powerlogix 1.6 GHz processor. That was my main machine till the Intel iMac followed me home. Still a strong machine and my backup. Burns DVD's in about 5 hours. I control the Sawtooth, a Gig-E and Digital Audio from the iMac. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting there
Paul... On Nov 18, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Paul Stamsen wrote: I have a rock garden. Last week three of them died. -- Richard Diran And I thought I had an anti-green thumb! ;-) Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting there
Hey Paul... On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Paul Stamsen wrote: Over the weekend I managed to gunge up my BW to the point where a re-install was necessary. I've gotten as far as 10.2.3 and can get no further, despite good copies of 10.3.3. I cannot seem to find the right version of XpostFacto. 3.0 won't see the discs, 4. won't see anything. I am so spoiled by years of painless Tiger I'm hopeless. Anyone have a lot of patience to spare? As near as I can tell, I got both h/ds in pretty good shape. And, less I've chosen wrong, I believe this would be the right list? Thanks, Paul What sort of problem(s) you having with the re-install? Error messages? System Freezes? (Sparks, Smoke, Small Detonations? ;- ) Shouldn't need XpostFacto to install up to 10.4 on the BW. You say good copies of 10.3.3. Are those =Apple= disks or backup copies. That =could= make a difference as some optical drives refuse to play well with burned CD's or DVD's. Not as common these days, but the Smurf is a bit long in the tooth. Don't get me wrong... love the BW. Have 2 operational and a parts machine. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting there
Hi Larry... On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I installed OSX 10.4 on my old Smurf and XPostFacto was required. 10.2 (Jaguar) was the last OS version that was fully supported on the Smurf. Larry I have two BW machines that would respectfully disagree. Installed and running OS X 10.4.11 (Looked it up.) no problems. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting there
On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Mike Linnett wrote: On 17 Nov 2010, at 20:37, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Larry... On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I installed OSX 10.4 on my old Smurf and XPostFacto was required. 10.2 (Jaguar) was the last OS version that was fully supported on the Smurf. Larry I have two BW machines that would respectfully disagree. Installed and running OS X 10.4.11 (Looked it up.) no problems. Amanda Me too, except it's been 3 smurfs. FireWire+DVD drive = supported by Tiger, no? One of the Smurfs has a DVD-R/RW DL. Hella slow recording DVD's, but then I don't need to have them burned in like 15 minutes! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blueberry iMac
Ah... a Grape iMac. I have one of those in Rev. D... 333 Mhz. His name is George. Nice vintage-ish machine. Use it for work... word processing and spreadsheets, nothing heavy. He just looks so much better than those blockish winderz boxen everyone else has! Amanda On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: Okay, I do have a Revision D 333MHz G-3, and I guess it is Purple. I depends on the light. Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Ashgrove wrote: have a purple (can't deal with the whole blueberry/indigo/Bondi thing: it's PURPLE) Uhh, if it's purple, you have a 'grape' imac, one of the 'multiflavored' ones released after the first gen, iconic Bondi iMac. Blueberry/Indigo/Bondi are all very definitely shades of blue. System Profiler (which is in the Utilities folder) should tell you what the speed is, possibly even the model. I know SP dates back to OS 7 (at least), so it is there in 8.6. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blueberry iMac
LOL! I remember when I was waiting for a 340 MB drive to drop below $350... 1994-ish. ;-) Amanda On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: I have a larger HD for it that I can install. 6gigs just seems so 1990's. I will also probably boost the RAM. I can get two more and a couple of strawberry as well. Will report on that later in the week. Amanda Ward wrote: Ah... a Grape iMac. I have one of those in Rev. D... 333 Mhz. His name is George. Nice vintage-ish machine. Use it for work... word processing and spreadsheets, nothing heavy. He just looks so much better than those blockish winderz boxen everyone else has! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blueberry iMac
This might get you started... http://lowendmac.com/imacs/index.shtml HTH, Amanda On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: Uh...I am 53 years old and still have most of all ten fingers (some shorter than others, your finger mileage may vary) and I have not intention of doing anything to a mouse with an x-acto knife! I will use a M$ Intelli-mouse or something like that and keep the puck for looks. I mean, how hard is it to upgrade the processor, memory, and hard drive? I want to make it go faster, not work on a mouse! How do I find out which revision it is? It is a tray loading model, not slot loading. and it is running 8.6 Ralph Green wrote: Howdy, I'll start with the mouse. It can be upgraded to a LED mouse, but it is a pretty fair amount of work. The easiest route is to find a small LED sensor mouse and transplant the guts into the puck mouse. You will need an exacto knife and some putty. I would not call those special tools, but I suppose that depends on what you are used to using. Good luck, Ralph On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 15:05 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote: I have just locked on to a Blueberry iMac with Blueberry keyboard and Blueberry puck mouse. How difficult is it to upgrade these? It looks like a sealed unit. Do I need special tools? Thanks, Dennis Dennis Myhand -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blueberry iMac
Another page from Low End Mac... http://lowendmac.com/macdan/05/0202.html On Nov 7, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: This doesn't really tell how to determine if it is a Rev A, B, C, or D. Well, it does, but it does not really give you a way to determine which hardware you have. I have checked About this computer but that does not give the processor or processor speed. How do I find this out? Been a LONNG time since I did anything below 10.2 Amanda Ward wrote: This might get you started... http://lowendmac.com/imacs/index.shtml HTH, Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Awesome mod...
On Nov 2, 2010, at 6:01 AM, Joshua Juran wrote: Well, mine's graphite, not tangerine, but at a local hacker space it was compared to a toilet seat. Josh Now =there= would be a mod! 'Specially if you could incorporate a small thermal printer into the machine. ;-) Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: back up generator question
Hey Cliff... On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote: We live in a rural area where power outages occur commonly. I just purchased a 800 Rated Watts/900 Max Watts Portable Chicago Electric Generators http://www.harborfreight.com/800-rated-watts-900-max-watts-portable-generator-66619.html in hopes of having back up power to run our WiFi ISP antenna, computers and a light or two. But, then I seem recalling that there are possible issues in the type of power a generator provides and the type computers like to receive. Comments and advice appreciated. Cliff There are a few things to consider. A backup generator (or DC to AC invertor) might provide a square wave output that your electronics might not like. I had one such invertor that trashed the PS for my Sony laptop several years ago. I don't know the generator you purchased, but lower end units can provide power with spikes/transients that could play havoc with electronic devices. Using a UPS to filter the output might be a good idea. Not saying you have a problem, just offering a couple of thoughts if you do! We used to have the dreaded rolling blackouts, here in the SF area, a few years ago and I had three huge Fortress UPS units to keep the systems running. Fortunately, those blackouts are a thing of the past. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Most reliable G4 tower model , least reliable
On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Powermac wrote: Now that time has gone by we should have an idea what the most and least reliable G4 towers are. Seems to me that ADC equipped towers have issues with power supplies, other then that I don't know. What do you guys think? While not in the same league as most of the machines mentioned, I have a Sawtooth that has been running 24/7 for over 5 years. It was my main machine till the Intel iMac followed me home a couple of years ago. ;-) Now doing duty as a file server on the network. Powerlogix 1.6 GHz cpu 2 GB ram 2 x 120 GB HD 500 GB USB drive 4 port USB 2.0 pci card DVD-RW DL Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/25 14:48, Andrew Liu Anderson so eloquently wrote: Sorry in advance if this is a bring-down for some folks. It's just time that our world, Apple fans included, do a little slw-dn, back-up re-evaluate our values. Not at all. I'm very happy with my PPC Macs (except for Flash of course) and there isn't a day that goes by that I'm not tempted to upgrade from Leopard to Tiger. By the time I see an Intel Mac, or Hackintosh, the Mac OS will probably be up to 10.9… iCougar? We have lots of cats left on the list: Asian Golden Cat Fishing Cat Wildcat (many varieties) Sand Cat Geoffroy's Cat Serval Caracal Cheetah Margay Iriomote Cat Jaguar Leopard (used) Black Panther (Panther has been used) Puma (used) Lynx Bobcat Lion (used) Tiger (used) -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 Let's not forget Tabby and Calico! ;-) Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
Wasn't this supposed to go away? Amanda Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com Sender: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:39:09 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Plain text format On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: Please Content-Type text/plain describes a mail message that, as delivered, contains zero, nada, no, precisely no, information about the font and size in which the email was sent. You're missing the entire point. I never implied that such information was ommitted. The font used for display by the client software is totally, absolutely, firmly, decided at the time the display is prepared as a screen image. I have never implied such as well. JT Refinance Now 3.7% FIXED $160,000 Mortgage for $547/mo. FREE. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c44c4d611efa34ff1cst05duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Change machine specific installer requirements
On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:33 AM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Dan wrote: At 5:33 AM -0700 7/16/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Recently someone posted the method of fixing machine specific install disk to work on any machine. What I'm referring to is a disk that comes with a particular machine and when I try to install it tells me it can't work on this machine I know the system is all the same but you're stuck with using it only on the machine it came with. I need to remove what ever it checks for. Like a helper program? You're asking for assistance in pirating the Mac OS. Unacceptable. Nannys? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Pirating? I bought and paid for and own this stuff plain and simple. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP Perhaps a read through the SLA is in order. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Disc Burning
Hi All... Any recommendations for an external disc burner for an iMac G5 (maybe Intel iMac) to do DVD/DL and lightscribe? Thanks, Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
On Jul 15, 2010, at 5:11 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:44 PM, James Therrault wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!! Date:Donnerstag 15 Juli 2010N From:John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 466 is kinda slow, if you can get a faster processor cheap I'd sure do that too. Hard to get a DVD to play on 466. I play DVD(s) without any problem whatsoever on my 400MHz Gigabit running 10.4.11, 768MB RAM and 123 Rage Pro (16MB VRAM) on a 22 Samsung flat screen. Everything would run better if I were to upgrade to a full 2GB RAM. The other big thing is hard drive rotational speed. The original Apple 20GB HD sucked big time and was replaced with a 120 GB Western Digital 7,200 rpm unit... Big improvement! Even so, I can play any DVD that I can rent, (or buy on the cheap!), borrow or... JT I can play DVDs in the optcal drive on a 500 with nothing running, need all 500 processor or the stumbling begins. DVD image plays smoothest I was able to play DVDs on a BW with a G4/450 CPU. Not too bad, but I had to close almost everything first. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac weapon!
Hey Jeff... On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff I have one of those beasties as well. I really wasn't aware of the disc spitting problem till I ejected my first DVD. Didn't go far at all... just sorta rolled out of the drive onto the desktop - floor. I was a little surprised, but thought it rather funny. My solution, when I'm too lazy to reach across the desk to grab the disc, is a wicker Easter basket with a microfiber towel right under the drive slot. Enjoy your G5! Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
Hi John On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:08 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All I have an IBM Deskstar 3.5 Apple logo HDD 82 Gig that decided not to boot or even show on a desk top I can hear it spinning but it constantly clicks. Is this a canidate for the trash heap? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP I have a 250 GB Deskstar with the dreaded clicking (and nothing else). That was a warranty replacement for a 120 GB Deskstar with the dreaded clicking (and nothing else) which, itself was a warranty replacement for another 120 GB Deskstar with the dreaded clicking (and nothing else)! grumble The 250 is still under warranty, but I began to sense a pattern and said something much like Screw them. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:27 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi John On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:08 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All I have an IBM Deskstar 3.5 Apple logo HDD 82 Gig that decided not to boot or even show on a desk top I can hear it spinning but it constantly clicks. Is this a candidate for the trash heap? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP I have a 250 GB Deskstar with the dreaded clicking (and nothing else). That was a warranty replacement for a 120 GB Deskstar with the dreaded clicking (and nothing else) which, itself was a warranty replacement for another 120 GB Deskstar with the dreaded clicking (and nothing else)! grumble The 250 is still under warranty, but I began to sense a pattern and said something much like Screw them. Amanda How do I know if I have a warranty? Mine was made in 2002. I really haven't used it much but nothing's forever:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP There should be a date code on the drive label. IIRC the drives had a 5 year warranty. I went through quite a hassle getting the replacements. I talked to sales people, customer service folk, technical support types and (though I'm not positive) a janitor or two. Hitachi Support: Have you run the diagnostic program on the drive?. Me: Well no, I can't because the drive doesn't work. Hitachi Support: We can't offer a replacement without the results of the diagnostic! Me: Excuse me... what part of DFW don't you understand?? Hitachi Support: Oh! Let me connect you to our 'something or other' department. Back up 5 lines and repeat Though I don't know who made the drives in the iMac and my netbook, I've made sure there no other Hitachi drives in my house. Except for one quite nice 250 GB paperweight. Sorry... haven't had a Hitachi/Deskstar rant in a long time. Felt good ;-) Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard is sloooooow to boot...
Hey Michael... On Jul 6, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: Hi: I found a deal on a copy of Leopard, and updated my G4 DA. It's been extensively upgraded: - 1.5 GHz OWC processor - 1.5 GB of RAM - DVD-RAM - Acard AEC6290M SATA card with a 160 GB HD - Reflashed Geforce 6200 256MB video card - USB PCI card - maudio Delta 2496 sound card - Sweet Multiport front panel but the boot time has gone up to 3 min. 15 secs! It's about 20 sec just to the grey apple, another 60 sec of spinning gear, and then two mins plus of blank blue screen before the desktop shows up. A friend of mine here claims that this isn't normal. What boot times are folks seeing with 10.5.8? Is there some setup that I can change? I installed the drivers for the SATA and sound cards, but that made no difference. Does anyone have a clue what it's doing? Thanks in advance. I'm running an upgraded Sawtooth and boot time is about 45 seconds. Don't know if our machines are real comparable, but here is what mine has: OWC 1.6 GHz CPU 1 GB Ram DVD R/RW DL Iogear 4 port USB2 PCI card 60 80 GB IDE HD's on the internal bus A SCSI adapter of some sort... don't remember which. It doesn't work, but I'm too lazy to take it out. Hope this can give you some basis for comparison... Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Networking G4 and other Systems
Does anyone have a link to information on networking X with other operating systems? I'm okay with winderz, but am having trouble finding info on Solaris and Irix. This isn't mission critical... just trying to learn. Thanks for any advice! Amanda G4 Sawtooth X 10.5 G4 DA X 10.5 G4 GigE X10.4 Sun Ultra 5 Solaris 9 SGI Fuel Irix 6.5.29 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blue and White G4?
And, I believe, that's only for the higher speed CPU's. (Possibly the HS G3's) I have 2 BW machines upgraded with G4/450's (ZIF socket) and they were decent machines. Amanda Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: PM7500 jburke...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:31:12 To: G-Groupg3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blue and White G4? I know that's true for aftermarket G4 upgrades, but I don't think it is for the Yikes! CPU. The Yikes! uses exactly the same motherboard only without an ADB port so there's no logical reason why the bus speed should be affected. On May 18, 10:02 pm, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, something else to consider is that installing a G4 in the BW will reduce the clockspeed of the mobo from 100MHz to 66MHz, and the processor which gets its clockspeed from the mobo will likewise be reduced by a factor of 2/3. so f'rinstance, a 450 G4 pulled from a yikes would actually run at 300 in a BW. my memory is fuzzy on the details, but if you want to read more about it, look on the powerlogix website, and check the page for their 1GHz G3 ZIF upgrade. FWIW, i have one of those 1gig G3s in a BW (because i have an old app runs under OS9 and requires a native ADB port for a dongle) and it screams. ah...clem On May 18, 12:24 pm, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: A minor caveat on installing a G4 in a BW. Before installing the G4, you also have to install a firmware patch which removes the block on G4s. Also, based on a bad personal experience, I'd be wary of installing a G4 from a Yikes in a Rev. 1 BW. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?
In my travels to Fry's today, I saw a USB IR adapter. Looked at it and no operating systems were indicated, tho' it said Connect your PC with IR or something much to that effect. Dunno... forgot the brand name as I was involved in a minor fender bender in the parking lot. I can go back and look if'n ya want. Amanda On 5/18/10 1:03 AM, Godai-kun godai@gmail.com wrote: I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media center. Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth. What I would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built-in IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came with my MacBook. Is this possible? Is it even advisable? I'd also be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever device I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale. Anybody know of a device that's much smaller to do the trick? Thanks for your time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?
Ah... Excellent! I was kind of looking for such a thing for my iMac G5. It¹s my media machine and I, too, hate getting up to switch progranms. @ On 5/18/10 5:28 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I got this IR and software, works great with that apple remote you have!!! Jeff Apple Remote Control Solutions and more - Twisted Melon : Fine Mac OS Software http://twistedmelon.com/mira/ http://twistedmelon.com/mira/ On May 18, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: In my travels to Fry's today, I saw a USB IR adapter. Looked at it and no operating systems were indicated, tho' it said Connect your PC with IR or something much to that effect. Dunno... forgot the brand name as I was involved in a minor fender bender in the parking lot. I can go back and look if'n ya want. Amanda On 5/18/10 1:03 AM, Godai-kun godai@gmail.com wrote: I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media center. Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth. What I would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built-in IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came with my MacBook. Is this possible? Is it even advisable? I'd also be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever device I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale. Anybody know of a device that's much smaller to do the trick? Thanks for your time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: what can i do with my old G5?
On 5/10/10 10:08 PM, GT g.gtun...@gmail.com wrote: hey all! this is my first post as i am new here. basically this is what's up, i have a G5 that i use ocasionally (mostly just my nephew uses to watch youtube). my main computer is a macbook, but i would like get some kind of use out of the G5. I haven't done anything with it in a while, i once tried to install tiger (running panther right now) but i could't, it gave me some message about it not being able to install Mail. that was my last attempt of doing anything with it. one thing i have noticed looking into this topic, that i have experienced is the comp. not turning on but the fans go full blast. i just push the power botton till its stops i guess you all have figured out by now that i am no computer wizz! hahahahaha well any help or suggestions would be appreciated! thanks in advance! I have an iMac G5 that, mostly, crunches s...@home work-units and serves as as a media center. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Right-hand mouse click is missing
Control - Click should do what you want! @ On 3/14/10 10:11 AM, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: Right-hand mouse click is missing Many newer programs have features that are available by way of the right click, but as I understand it, all the original Mac mice have the left click only. Is their a way to create a right hand click by using some part of the keyboard? Be careful here, since some features do require both the keyboard and the right click, so we do not want to make a new problem out of a fix for a problem. Buying new mice is a fix, but I am trying to make due with what I got. JML -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Right-hand mouse click is missing
On 3/14/10 12:53 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Control-click has always called up the contextual menu (aka the 'right- click' menu) on Macs. There's a preference pane called FinderPop that will let you 'right-click' by holding down the mouse button for a preselected amount of time. http://www.finderpop.com/ Back when I had a single button mouse, this was an indispensable piece of software for me. It dates back to the OS 8 days... But by far the simplest solution is to get a cheap USB mouse with multiple buttons or a Mighty Mouse. My favorite has always been a Logitech Trackman. The current one has right and left buttons, scroll wheel/middle button and a track ball. Amanda -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 2 macs-1 monitor?
Not real sure. I don¹t recall seeing an LCD that works that way... I have 5 different ones. You didn¹t mention what models the Macs were and what OS you¹re using. I¹m using screen sharing on my Intel iMac to control a G5 iMac, 3 G4 towers and a G4 laptop. Amanda On 2/11/10 1:47 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question here... and I believe that I'm right in saying that this will not work, but here goes my monitor has VGA DVI connections, can these be used to hook up 2 macs? and simply switch between the two via the monitor buttons on the front? Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problem inst of 10.5 on G4 tower
Yes... 10.5 will not install on a G4 with less than an 867 MHz CPU. That said, you can fool the installer by going into Open Firmware and specifying 867 MHz as the processor speed. That will let the installer do its thing and then revert to the actual speed on reboot. It will run at lower speeds, but not install. Your Ram and HD size may be problematic... possibly. You can Google the process. It's early and I haven't had enough coffee to recall the steps. Amanda On 2/9/10 10:31 AM, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: Problem inst of 10.5 on this: Tower may be sawtooth G4 450 MHz box with AGP Graphics on a card. 12 Gb hd 470 Mb, Zip, fd, DVD/cd Drive, all are Apple branded. will not let me. Was there a rule about speed or a way around it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade my Ge
Robert, The BW is a nice machine... I have two of them. Lessee... You can max out the ram to 1 GB (4 x 256 MB) There are some processor options. You can go to an Apple 450 MHz G3. You can install a 450 MHz G4 CPU from the first gen. G4 machines... the Yikes/PCI graphics. (Note: Going to a G4 CPU will most likely require a firmware update to unlock G4 compatibility and it cannot be installed in OS X) There are other CPUs available from suppliers such as OWC and Sonnet up to 1 GHz. (My twin Smurfs have the G4/450 CPU and performed admirably) Hard drives... The BW has two different motherboards Rev. 1 and Rev. 2. The Rev. 1 is ===notorious=== for being finicky with anything but the original HD. The Rev. 2 resolved this problem. (To identify your system see: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/newfeatures.html) The BW is limited to to a maximum 128 GB, although this can be gotten around by using an add-on PCI/IDE adapter card. (OR using external USB or Firewire drives. At one point I had two 500GB USB drives connected.) Optical drives: Since I upgraded my machines, things may have changed, but at the time some DVD drives were not bootable in the BW. Some research would be prudent. FWIW, I found a Lite-On drive that was bootable and burned all CD/DVD media. (Lite-On SHOW-1693S) Graphics: The stock video card had 16 MB VRAM and, in my case, worked just fine for most purposes. I did upgrade one machine to a Radeon 7500 (I think) w/64MB VRAM, not so much for the extra video memory, but it had two video outputs and I love having two displays to work with! ;-) Wireless: There are some options here... check eBay. I only had wireless on my BW for a short period, because a the network switch was less than a foot from the machine and b I needed the card for a peecee I was using for a media center. I was using a Netgear card with a driver from OrangeWare (~ $15)... Seemed to work fine. That¹s about all that comes to mind at the moment... Perhaps more caffeine will jostle a thought or two loose! Amanda My Macs: Mac SE Superdrive (Sylvester) Powerbook G3/266 Wallstreet (Waldo) iMac G3/266 (George) Powermac BW G3 w/G4/450 x 2 (Bruce and Bryce) Powermac G4 Sawtooth 1.6GHz (Gregory) Powermac G4 GigE dual 450Mhz (Gene) Powermac G4 Digital Audio 733MHz (Dave) Powerbook G4 15² Al 1.5GHz (Albert) iMac G5 20² 1.8GHz (Warren) iMac Intel 20² Core 2 Dou 2.4 GHz (Irving) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade G 3
Cool!! Which Mac do you have? Imac, PowerMac, PowerBook... Knowing that will help with answering your questions! Amanda On 12/19/09 2:37 PM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just got back my first mac, and it is in fine shape. O S is 8.5.1 Can I up grade to 10.4 Tiger? I don't really stay in clasic. Also how much ram can I carry and it doesn't have wifi ability. What can I put in for that?? Robert Long Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
On 10/14/09 12:18 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I used to turn my Mac off whenever I was not using it. My intention was to save electricity. However, a few months ago, I had some startup issues with my old Smurf and I began leaving the computer on because re-starts were traumatic. Those issues have all been resolved now (Thanks, DC), but I found that the convenience of having my Mac on all the time was worth the electricity I was burning. I use sleep mode and my monitor sleeps too. I have not seen any difference in my electric bill. Larry I leave my machines on all the time (5 Macs an' 3 peecees). Most of them are running s...@home and while the iMac does boot up quickly, I just don't want to wait! ;-) Electric bill is only 'bout $67 a month, so I don't worry. amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PowerPC speeds and the switch to Intel...
On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:52 AM -0400 10/10/2009, Dan wrote: At 11:19 PM -0400 10/9/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: Isn't it true that the G5 was way too hot for the laptop??? The PowerPC 970 (what Apple called the G5) was physically too big, too hot, and sucked too much power. After I replied, I remembered seeing a great mock-up of a thick PowerBook G5. A picture is worth a thousand words! http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/521443422866.jpg?0.10789654212925404 And the whole article: http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/03/ibm-to-use-strained-silicon-to-produce-powerbook-g5 LOL - Dan. Love it! (Secretly... I'd want one!) ;-) But why stop there... A G5 with that tiny display? Let's scale it up for a 23 inch LCD! Then you could add a compartment for a few personal items and a change of clothes. Add a couple of wheels and a slide out handle and you have the perfect computer for that quick, overnight business trip!!! Amanda - Yes, I'm awake way too early! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:28 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The problem of the spinning beach ball doesn't occur with 10.4 itself, but with the applications that run over it. which are waiting for disk i/o, paging memory, or network data. The SPOD is the Mac's way of telling you I haven't crashed, but this process is taking a lot longer than I expected, and I can't do anything until I get what I asked for, so I'm letting you know about it. Heh... started my Powerbook this morning and got the spinning pizza/ beachball as things got up to speed. Then... the spinning just stopped! Just the static whirligig in the middle of the screen. Thinking the worst, I tried finding my mouse pointer and some how the SPOD had become the NSPMP (Non Spinning Pizza Mouse Pointer). Never saw =that= happen before... no pointing hand, no arrow... just the round colored object. It worked fine as a mouse pointer, but it was damn odd!!! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Posting etiquette?
On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:33 PM, dorayme wrote: Date: Mon, Aug 31 2009 2:43 pm From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio There's no arm twisting being done here. We're just clearing the path to effective communication. Talking it over as friends. :) Lister to lister. The LEM tradition of community. Well, I think we need a new addition to tradition and I offer you some of my men. They are big, they are not well educated in the formal sense, they wear dark suits and shades and they will go around to have a little chat with anyone I say to. Would their names be Vinnie and Guido? I've requested their presence on a few occasions. ;-) Now, who was that top- posting? g Ah... The Phoenix Stallion. The dead horse once more risen from its ashes. I guess there are pros and cons for each posting style. Personally, I prefer top posting because that is the default of my mail program. BUT... it really matters little to me. If I feel the need to respond to a thread, I'll do so in the manner already established. While the semi-regular threads on this subject make for interesting reading, in the =grand scheme= of things the debate seems awfully irrelevant. Just my $.02 worth... (Tax, title and license not included.) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hp printer quit printing
Hi Jane, I'm running 4 HP printers in a mixed network. HP LaserJet 4000, HP DeskJet 6988, HP OfficeJet 4315 and an OfficeJet J4580... The LaserJet and the 6988 are working from network print servers and the two OfficeJets are connected USB. Only problems are that sometimes the network printers have to have the printservers reset. Connected computers are an Intel iMac, 2-G4 towers, Powerbook G4, 2- wintel notebooks, 2-wintel towers, a Sun workstation and an SGI 540 4- CPU workstation... via wired and wireless. Problems are very minimal. Amanda On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:21 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: Stats: G5 iMac, running 10.4.11; HP Photosmart All in one 3200 series, connected directly to the iMac with USB Several weeks ago a friend's Hp printer stopped printing from her iMac. She called HP and told them the problem. They told her a. to call Apple b.to buy a new printer from them (the Photosmart is only 3 years old!) So I tried to fix it. 1. I booted up in Single User. Still didn't print. 2. I ran Onyx. No help. 3. Tried to add the printer in the Set up and kept getting the message; error -service unavailable 3. uninstalled Hp stuff and re-installed; updated the software and printer driver --- and it worked! Two weeks ago the printer again wouldn't print from Applications. I tried all the above stuff, plus AppleJack. No luck. Each time I tried to add the printer in the Set up, I got the error message. I did a test page without using any Applications and it did print. Uninstalled and reinstalled the software. Not successful this time. So I called HP tech support. For $34.95, the person told me all kinds of things to try and I had already done all of them! She said that it is Apple's problem then. I told her that she didn't tell me anything new to try and the problem isn't fixed, so the charge should be waived. Said she couldn't do that. However, after contacting Apple for a solution, we could call back in 2 weeks without paying again. I replied that I am advising my friend to buy a new printer and make sure that it is not an HP! Has anyone had this problem with any printer, where it just quits printing from Applications? If so, how did you fix it? Any suggestions are welcome! Jane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any hope for my G5 tower?
Peter Kim wrote: I left for the weekend, and returned to find out that the power transformer across the street had exploded while I was away. My DP G5 2Ghz(early 2005), was in sleep mode at the time. When I pressed the power button, the tower booted and worked fine- until the next day, when it suddenly went black. The power supply tested okay with a voltmeter. I've tried pulling ram, disconnecting drives, video card, processors. It will power most of the time, but won't bong/post. The one difference is when I pulled a processor, I pressed the power button, and did not get power. I know it is not supposed to do this. Any insight, suggestions appreciated. Get it repaired and bill the power company. Seriously. Indeed! A friend in Florida got her computer replaced by the power company. Amanda Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
FYI... On Jun 21, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: Or years ago there were what were called 'Reed point' screws... As I recall, those also looked like a phillips, but the slots were shaped enough differently that a phillips would not fit. I don't recall exactly what the difference between those and the phillips...or for that matter between those and the posidrive? http://www.instructables.com/id/S1ZE2F7FOVXPGXD/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
Bruce... On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Will dead/lack of a PRAM battery keep a Gigabit Ethernet G4 system from turning on? I took the G4 offline in January, and set it down for 6 months. This morning I went to clean it up and get it going, and plugged it all in andnot a damn thing happens when I press the power switch. No response at all. I cannot locate my %...@$@# multimeter right now so I can't test the battery, but I pressed the cuda, removed the battery for a while pressed the cuda and tried restarting it. Nada. Same if I remove the battery. I know that low PRAM batteries can prevent booting in at least Beige G3's, but I thought they would all boot if there was no battery at all. Anyone have a pinout of the switch cable? I'm wondering if I can bypass the switch assembly, take at least ONE thing out of the loop for testing, or is this just a dead PS? I've got some units I can part- swap for testing, but they're at work, and I'm stuck at home today waiting on UPS. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD You do realize... it isn't Talk like a Pirate Day? Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/15/09 2:52 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Jim Running for my castle...the villagers are coming. ... armed with torches and pitchforks. ;-) -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Help (Way OT)
Hi All... There are a lot of serious tech folk out there. Can someone with Sun system experience contact me off-list? Many thanks and an apology! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
Hi Matt... On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just Sorry... I can't imagine any way that could work. Best bet to get the Big Cat working would be a processor upgrade. The minimum requirement is 867 MHz (IIRC). There is a firmware hack to install Leopard on slower CPU's. I have it running on a Digital Audio 733 and it's okay... not great, but okay. Which G4 do you have? That would help making suggestions. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]A polite netiquette back and forth
I'll follow whatever type of posting the message seems to generate... top, bottom, interspersed... fine with me. Just, please folks, trim some of the older stuff out of the message when the thread goes on for days. Just my $.02... California sales tax not included! Amanda The light at the end of the tunnel... the headlight of the oncoming train! On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/14/09 3:02 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Ok, got that trimming part. Anything else? Peter M. Not really. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.5
On May 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote: Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone? Bailey I'm running 10.5.? (Can't remember which iteration) on a DA 733 and it is quite usable. It is not way fast, but usable. I would keep 10.4.x unless Leopard has features you can't live without! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... Could have changing my mobo affected my SLA connectivity? I didn't think Apple was so saavy/picky. I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? Anyone having any problems on a PPC G4? being that 10.5 leans towards Intel Macs ... Just installed on an Al Powerbook 1.5 GHz/2GB/80GB. No problems so far. It did do one odd reboot during the restart, but everything seems to be okay. One odd change noted... the icon for the Energy Saver Preference Pane changed from an incandescent bulb to a compact fluorescent bulb on my iMac, but not on the Powerbook!? Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: One odd change noted... the icon for the Energy Saver Preference Pane changed from an incandescent bulb to a compact fluorescent bulb on my iMac, but not on the Powerbook!? Is the iMac an Intel system? That prefs pane may have been only updated on the Intel systems. Given that the Intel update is 400 megs and the PPC one is only 256megs would lend credence to that theory. Yup... the Intel iMac. I used the same download for both machines... not the combo, since both were X.5.6. Still, there would have to be different code for two different systems. They just have to make the PPC folk feel left behind. ;-) Perhaps they should have changed the PPC icon to a lantern! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS X on iMac ?
On May 4, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 4, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote: I have access (for a good price) to a lightly used iMac M5521 EMC 1857 40 GB HD 600 Mhz 512 RAM RN1144XIKOBFS06 that might work as a data logger for our Oregon Scientific Weather Station. if it will run OS X so that I can run Weather Tracker http://www.afterten.com/ Comments on suitability of this iMac for my purpose are appreciated, with any recommendations for necessary upgrading. Out of the box it'll run 10.3. 10.4 is likely to be sluggish in only 512 Megs ram, so I'd got 10.3. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs I have 10.3.9 running on a Grape 333 MHz/ 256 MB ram and it works just fine. Not really heavy use, but regular email, spreadsheets, videos and such. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Worms in clear plastic keyboard
I agree... dump the thing. Worms in your keyboard? Major Ick! Amanda On Mar 26, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Peter wrote: Honestly, I would just dump that thing in the nearest trash can. Peter M. Sent from my mobile device -Original Message- From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:40:53 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Worms in clear plastic keyboard It might be the larvae of moths, sometimes found in bird seed. Been feeding birds, lately? Maggots would probably only be found where there's decaying meat ... Where flies have laid eggs ... Not a zoologist ... just from observing my birdseed and trash cans ... On Mar 26, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Worms in clear plastic keyboard It was a surprise to find upon inspection of the underside of the clear plastic keyboard that indeed worms have invaded it. More specifically, I would guess they are maggots – God I hade maggots! Anyway, what should I do about these yucky things resident in my keyboard? Please help, as I don’t even want to type on it any more!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Hi Peter... On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:42 PM, PeterH wrote: With over-application of Arctic Silver, for example, to a G4, there are power decoupling lines on the surface of the chip which can be shorted-out by such oozing. The washer which Apple generally applies to its processors can limit the intrusion of the conductive paste to those lines. However, over-application will usually get underneath the washer and be resistant to attempts to remove it. If you over-apply Arctic Silver, you are asking for trouble. If you over-apply silicone thermal grease, there is no issue except for the mess. Pine-Sol®, applied full-strength, can dissolve most such greases. And, as Pine-Sol is water-soluble, the excess grease, then in suspension, will simply, and completely wash-off. I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Hey John... On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:17 AM, John Callahan wrote: At last, a voice of reason and acuity in this exercise in tedium. Also I take issue with this statement the exhaust manifold comes off the sides of the engine, not down the middle... Never saw an engine (V8) with the exhaust down the middle. John Callahan Never saw a Chevrolet engine like that. Ford had an aluminum block, 255 four cam racing engine with the exhaust ports facing the middle of the engine. 'Tis a rare bird and not very many ever saw street use. I saw one at a car show in Chicago many years ago. Darned if I figure a way to work G-Processors or thermal grease into this observation... sorry nannys! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
PETE!!! On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:08 AM, pdimage wrote: On 15/3/09 09:21, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda I've removed quite a few glued heatsinks. Firstly I put it in the freezer for an hour or so then I work carefully around the edges of the seal with a thin blade or scalpel (oops another finger gone) until it pops off. If it refuses to budge I put it back in the freezer for another hour and try again - and so onalways works for me... Pete Yer awesome! A few hours in the fridge (got busy with housework don'tcha know) and they popped apart with a few pokes of the razor knife. I wouldn't make such a fuss... it's a wintel box, but it is a P4-2.4 GHz and not too much of a slouch. ;-) Many thanks, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Back on topic... I promise!!! On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:08 AM, pdimage wrote: On 15/3/09 09:21, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda I've removed quite a few glued heatsinks. Firstly I put it in the freezer for an hour or so then I work carefully around the edges of the seal with a thin blade or scalpel (oops another finger gone) until it pops off. If it refuses to budge I put it back in the freezer for another hour and try again - and so onalways works for me... I have the aforementioned heat sink and CPU apart. What would be a good thermal compound to reassemble the beast? I do have a dab of Arctic Silver from a former project. Think this would be okee dokee? The chip doesn't seem to have any exposed circuitry... 'cept for the Bazillion pins on the underside. :-) Amanda Remembering my first computer had a 40 pin CPU! Yikes! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
Bill, *Snip* It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. -- Bill Christensen Try Detect Displays in the displays preferences pane. My iMac wouldn't recognise my 2nd LCD till I did that. Might help!? Amanda Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clamshell issues??
On Feb 28, 2009, at 5:37 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Is it possible to make verbose mode the default? This link might be what you're looking for... http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/h/348 Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Quite External Drive
On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: We just got a Seagate FreeAgent Pro drive in to serve as a utility backup drive, so we don't have to attache potentially infected windows systems to the network, and it is silent. Like Is this thing really on?? silent. It's quite heavy, and the base is set on some substantial rubber feet, minimizing vibrations, too. A really well-made drive, so far (of course it's been on for all of 15 minutes now, so we'll see.) I have two, Maxtor One Touch, USB drives, one 500 and one 250 GB, connected to my iMac and they're totally quiet... much like the Mac! :-) Now... if I could just get rid of the darned lights on the front of the drives! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hi! New mac user + question =)
Hi Claudia... On Jan 26, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Claudia Regina wrote: Thanks guys!!! @Wallace, this link you sent was really helpful!!! =) My slot is AGP. @M. Hammad, I already have this one: ATi Rage 128 AGP 16MB Video Card (VGA ADC out) $29 And I need something really really powerful (ok, as much as possible xD), but thanks anyway! @Fabian, that's definitely an option, but I think about the dual screen, if it's possible to do with this one. Anyway, thank you guys very very much! I'm on my way to understand my mac better =] I have a Sawtooth G4, the first AGP G4 model. From Ebay, I bought a Radeon 7000 (I think) with 64MB and dual VGA connectors. That drove 2-20 LCD monitors. The setup worked well and I could watch a movie on one display and do my work shudder on the other. :-) My Sawtooth is a 1.6GHz with 1GB Ram. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: question about a possible trade
Just guessing here... If your wife says you can't make the trade and you do it anyway, the differences in machine specifications are going to the least of your worries. :-| @ On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:25 AM, roger deghetto wrote: i found a guy that might be willing to trade his mdd dual 1.42ghz specs are 512 mb ram 80 gb hd os x 10.2 for my mmd dual 1.25ghz specs are 1.5gb ram 4 120 gb hdds wireless and a pci usb 2.0 card is this a fair trade everymac says the dual 1.42 has an est retail of 575 to 700 compared to mine 375 to 600 wifes telling me i cant do it what do you guys think i should do? thanks roger --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Headless G4 tower/server
On Jan 18, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: If i turn on sharing in leopard (on any leopard compatible G4 tower), that's all I need to access a headless G4 tower? I don't think I need a keyboard/mouse plugged into it accept to boot it right?... then access from my laptop in the living room. Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Yup... that'll work just fine. I have a Sawtooth and DA running headless and access them from my iMac. I also connect to my Powerbook in the bedroom. It's not as smooth as sitting at the keyboard of each machine, but it works rather nicely just the same. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Headless G4 tower/server
Jeff... On Jan 19, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Are you running tiger on the sawtooth and DA? and if not, how did you get leopard to install? what's your experience so far with it. Thank you. Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 I'm running Leopard on both. The Sawtooth has a third-party 1.6 GHz CPU so there were no problems installing 10.5. The DA is a 733 and below the 867 cutoff, but I found a firmware tweak to fool the installer into believing the 733 is really an 867: http://lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/openfirmware.html The DA was never one of my main machines... ranks at the bottom of my active macs. Mostly I use it for network storage and crunching s...@home work-units. Still, when I use it directly for something, via screen sharing, the performance is adequate. Amanda Active Macs iMac, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.4 GHz Sawtooth G4, 1.6 GHz Powerbook G4, 1.5 GHz Digital Audio G4, 733 MHz == Occasional Macs Gigabit Ethernet Dual G4, 450 MHz BW G3, G4/450 MHz CPU iMac G3, 333 MHz Powerbook G3, 266MHz ... and a couple o' halfway decent peecees. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Headless G4 tower/server
On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: wow, thank you for the info!, just curious.. what did you have to pay foe the 1.6 cpu upgrade and was it simple to install? any problems encountered? Jeff It's been a while, but I =think= it was $239 at OWC. It was a PowerLogix brand. Of course I =had= to have it right away and paid for next morning shipping! ;-) No... it wasn't hard at all. The only small problem was I had to take the fan guard off the heat sink to get to the mounting screws on the new CPU. In summary... Remove the two heatsink clips and heatsink on the old CPU. Remove three mounting screws. Lift off the old CPU. Line up and connect the new CPU. Install three mounting screws. Find a power connector for the cooling fan. Close him up. Power on. Blast off! The only caveat, I think, is there could possibly be a firmware issue, but the more experienced folk lurking about could better address this. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flash Drive Question
Hi Steve... On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:03 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, a few things to sum up from all your replies. 1) I can drag files from the web page or the desktop to the Flash Drive (the 'Brute Force' method). 2) If I can do #1 the drives are not Write Protected 3) The one Flash Drive is a Kingston, the other is one I found and it is called Secure_II A) Both have space left B) I have another Kingston that is new in the package and another Flash Drive I got from Centrum (its pretty full so I haven't tried it on this machine) 4) So, a Flash Drive won't show up when you click Save image as on a website? For the record I am using Firefox but have also tried it with Safari and iCab (I still have Opera to try but if its like this with 3 other browsers I doubt Opera would be any different) 5) Also, WHY would Apple make this the default setting? Don't they know people use things other than their HD to save stuff? Thanks for all your replies thus far! :) When I mentioned the write protect tab, I was thinking of flash cards... The camera kind of things. So never mind there! :-) Anyway, I can't recreate your problem. I have 5 flash drives (128MB to 8GB) connected to a usb hub and they all appear in the save menu, regardless of the the setting of the triangle! This is only in Safari... I don't have other browsers readily available. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Flash Drive Question
Hi Steve... On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Mac OS X (10.2.9) Recently I tried to save a photo from a website to a Flash Drive and it won't let me I can see the Flash Drives on my Desktop but when I click Save Image As it only show this for options for where to put it: Home, Documents, iDisk and Desktop Any suggestions? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 Probably a dumb question, but... is the flash drive locked to read only? The little slide thingy on the side? Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RAM prices going up??
On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: RAM manufacturers frequently move forward. By that I mean that if you order DDR2-3 it will be less expensive then PC-133 in most cases. There is like a RAM curve. Where cutting edge machines RAM cost a little bit more then machines out 3 months ago...machines a year old cost a little more than machines from 3 months ago and RAM from machines 2 years back costs a fortune because it isn't being made anymore. It's a common thing, where people think that RAM for a machine 4 years old should be really cheap, but they fail to realize that the industry has moved ahead and the supply is low. My question would be, is your machine a generation older or newer than your buddies? Kyle Hansen I just picked up a 4GB kit for my iMac today at Fry's. It was Crucial ram DDR2 667MHz 2X2GB modules for $44.95. Saw the same thing on the NewEgg web site for $39.95. Amanda iMac 20, 2.4GHz Mfg July '08 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Un-Mounting Drive
Hi All... I have a fairly new Maxtor OneTouch 4P 250 GB external drive running from a USB 2.0 hub, from a PCI USB 2.0 card. The system is a Sawtooth running X 10.5.6. I want to use the drive to copy files from another external drive and initialize the second drive as a Mac file system and copy the files back. The problem is... I can't initialize the drive. Disk Utility says it can't unmount the drive and I can't eject it because The drive is in use. Try quitting applications. I can read and execute files from the 250, but I can't reformat the darned thing. I suppose I might plug the thing into a peecee, but I really don't want go that route. Suggestions? Thanks, Amanda Ward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My computer
On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:05 , Kris Tilford wrote: PowerMac3,3 is a Gigabit Ethernet model that's been fiddled with. It's either a Mystic (code name) that originally came as a single 400MHz that has been overclocked or upgraded with a single 450MHz CPU; or it's a Medusa2 or SnakeBite that came with a dual 450 or dual 500 respectively and has been downgraded to a single 450MHz CPU. Either way, no model of Gigabit Ethernet ever came with this single 450MHz CPU, so something is amiss with this PowerMac. Yup, the Powermac3,3 appears to be a Gig-E model and barring some strange slip-up at Apple was never offered with the 450 MHz CPU. As a devout tinkerer, I suspect the Gig-E was fiddled with. :-) Someone wanting a bit more performance without paying for the more expensive dualie modules? Bought a Gig-E without a CPU and had a Sawtooth CPU handy? Several possibilities exist. My AGP started life as a 350 and has been upgraded twice. Tinkerers Unite! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Merry Christmas
On Dec 24, 2008, at 6:56 , Kyle Hansen wrote: On 12/24/08 6:36 PM, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net Broadcast into the ether: Hi All, I've gotten a lot of good advice from the crowd on this list and just want to say thanks and wish everyone Happy Holidays. Oh, and for you pet owners... Fleas Navidad! Running away quickly Amanda I would expect this behavior from Bruce, or maybe even Clark...but Ms. Amanda Ward? You are so banned for posting an OT subject. I do try ya know! ;-) Happy holidays. And the same to you. Now off to work. Yeah, it kind of stinks, but they pay me reasonably well and it =is= double time today! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Merry Christmas
Hi All, I've gotten a lot of good advice from the crowd on this list and just want to say thanks and wish everyone Happy Holidays. Oh, and for you pet owners... Fleas Navidad! Running away quickly Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which printer do you like?
On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:50 , Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Sam Macomber wrote: Cool! I use a HP LaserJet 2100tn at home. got it for free, it was broken found a piece of case plastic in the toner cart roller. pulled it out and it worked great for a couple of years any how.I'm sure it got a quite a bit of use in it's past life, prints are getting degraded now, leftover toner from previous prints ends up on the next couple of pages. can hardly see it when printing just text, but if an image is in there it gets bad. It needs cleaning, but the 2100tn is a damn fine workhorse. That's our office's main printer. I have an HP Laserjet 4000, extracted from a client's leaky, rodent and bug infested storage building. Printed with streaks, smudges, lines and blank spots. Rescued it from the dumper and took it home. Cleaned it out with compressed air, cotton swabs and dust free cloths everywhere I could get to. Put in a new toner cartridge and it's been giving me excellent prints for the last 5 years. Not heavy usage, but probably run 30-40 reams of paper through so far, plus envelopes and disc labels. Also have 2 - HP 4315 AIO printers and a 6988 wireless, color printer. Never had any serious problems with HP... 'cept their ink cartridges cost too d**n much (Tho' the company reimburses me for much of it)! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Project
Hi All, I'm looking for a project management app. for OS X. Nothing fancy... I have m$ project on a winderz 'book, but I find starting that thing up to be just too tedious. Any suggestions? Thanks, Amanda Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What Anti Virus?
Lol On 12/8/08 4:17 , Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we have to sell is a bracket to hold the lighter in front of the stream from the can. That, at least is how my crazy ex-room-mate used to kill cockroachesLysol makes a nice flamethrower. 8-) An old college days distraction. Chasing ants with a can of deodorant and a lighter attached attached by a rubber band. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Plastics Care Followup
Heya Everyone... Many thanks for the replies!!! I tried several things and ultimately it was Goo-Gone and alcohol swabs that did the trick. THANK YOU! (Yes ³shouting² because y¹all are great!) At the risk of going deeper off topic with this... The monitor isn¹t the only thing I got. If anyone is handy with SGI products, I have more questions. Please contact me off list. Thanks a bunch! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Macs with a FrankenSawtooth
Hey Dennis... On 11/11/08 15:59, Dennis Myhand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put together a Sawtooth from spare parts I got from the swap list and now have it running Jaguar with 512 megs of RAM. What I would like to know is, where do I get parts for this thing on the Internet? What if I want to buy some more RAM? What are the sites with memory and add-on cards for older, but still very useful, Macs? Thanks, Dennis in Victoria Is that Victoria, like... in Australia? Cool! Anyway... I'm running a Sawtooth as my main machine. It's a little far from its stock configuration. I increased the RAM by cannibalizing some defunct peecees. Currently at 4 X 256 PC-133 - 1 GB. The CPU is a Powerlogix G4/1.6 GHz obtained from OWC. Internal hard drives (80 60 GB) are off the shelf units from Staples, Office Depot, Radio Shack, etc... DVD burner I got from a local computer repair shop. (Have to be careful... Not all optical drives will boot a Mac.) A USB 2.0 PCI card obtained from a local repair shop. (IOGear was the brand name) Until I bought Leopard (Which runs great!), I got my OS discs from eBay. I'm guessing you are in Oz and may not have access to some of the retail stores I mentioned, but I hope this gives you an idea of places to get toys for your toy! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Out of the Blue
Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all that happens. I've seen this before and if I waited for a while, the desktop finally appeared. However, I waited an hour and 20 minutes and nothing. I get no grey Apple screen, no spinning gear thingy... just the blue screen. I do have verbose mode in startup, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for there. I booted from the Leopard DVD and ran disk utility. The utility reported two errors, file count and folder count. Those were repaired and the drive declared okey-dokey. Select the Leopard drive to reboot and I get the same result. I can boot just fine from Tiger (Typing from there right now). The Leopard drive shows up on the desktop and the contents appear alright. Haven't tried booting 9.2.2. Not sure what is going on with the system. My Computer: G4 Sawtooth 1.6 GHz Powerlogix CPU 1 GB SDRam Leopard drive - Maxtor 80 GB about 3 GB free Leopard 10.5.5 Tiger drive - Maxtor 60 GB in two equal partitions. One with Tiger 10.4.10 one with OS 9.2.2 Any suggestions? Thanks, Amanda Ward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:08 AM, insightinmind wrote: Thinking out loud ... Is 3GB rather small free space for Leopard? I'd try Safe Boot mode into Leopard (booting use Shift key down?), and, if successful, removing what you installed, and see what happens. Just thinking out loud ... someone else may have more reliable thoughts ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Bill and Bruce... Can't get into safe mode. The system hangs before getting into the GUI. The verbose output is chock full of error, can't and isn't messages. can't determine dependencies can't map module file Has no explicit kernel dependency isn't a valid mach-o error mapping module file Trying to boot safe mode stops with the following message: jnl: unknown-dev journal replay done Any insight from this? I =kinda= suspect the system is hosed and while I can rebuild the thing, I =really= don't want to have to. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
Dan... On 11/10/08 09:38, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! See this article for recovery steps: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1545 In general, you need to get in there somehow and wipe out ApplicationEnhancer. - Dan. That did it!!! A million thanks! Bruce and Bill... I certainly appreciate your assistance. I downloaded that particular bit of software to keep Entourage from bouncing it's icon all the time. I should have been a little suspicious when it had no effect. sigh Thanks again, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Out of the Blue
Yeah... On 11/10/08 12:34, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: That's what happened. What I did was install Dock Detox for Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! This is unfair. My bad. However, I was directed to the Unsanity download page from an Entourage support page. To be fair, there is nothing on the download page to indicate the incompatibility. Clicking on the Support link takes you to a page with a link mentioning compatibility with Intel Macs. Clicking on =that= link, tho' I have a PPC Mac, takes you to a page mentioning the compatibility page for information regarding specific products. Click on =that= link and... Finally! You find out that, indeed, Dock Detox doesn't work with Leopard. So... While I didn't perform due research, I think Unsanity could have made the information a tiny bit easier to find! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
Hi Anne, On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:23 , Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Wondering the best way to get a copy of this - Apple sez they don't offer it anymore. Used or new? Ebay? Amazon? Is this legal? I'd go after 10.4 but I'd need a new processor. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com Don't know what your usage might be, but I'm running Leopard on a Digital Audio 733 and it's fine for my uses. I suspect Tiger would be fine on your QS. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
USB Drive Question
Hi All... I've been using some USB drives (Flash and Real Hard Discs) and something caught my attention. In disc utility a USB drive has 2 entries... the first shows the drive with the manufacturer's name ie... Hitachi and it has a MS-DOS FAT Volume Format, the second entry seems to be like a partition that can have any format. The disc utility entry for the drive looks like this... (Missing the drive icons and comments, of course!) 18.6 GB HITACHI_DK23CA-20 Media -Can't erase USB Portable - Can erase When I try to erase the actual drive, the top level, it never works... reverting to MS-DOS FAT. I can format the partition to anything Disc utility has to offer. Is this normal? It's no big thing... just trying to understand the nature of the beast! :-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Which OS X install discs will work with a G4?
Paul... On Oct 26, 2008, at 1:42 , Paul wrote: On eBay, there are a lot of people selling OS X installers for specific hardware, and I'm wondering if any would work on my G4 gigabyte system with a single processor. I'm looking for a way to get a copy of 10.4 inexpensively. These discs should have remained with the system they were originally sold with. Selling them separately is somewhat less than proper. =That= said... installing the grey, machine specific disc sets on a machine other that what they were sold with is pretty much a crap shoot. They might OR might not work. I suspect... the closer your machine family and the discs from another Mac are... the better your odds. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: When did this happen?
On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:01 , Doug Burton wrote: Turns out I did have one installed on the DA running 10.4.11, my network laser printer. I just printed a message from Mail and the icon popped into the dock with a piece of paper in front of it. When the item had been printed the entire icon went away, as it should. Doesn't work that way in Leopard. I just get an icon of the printer, no paper in front of it, and the icon remains until I manually close it. Seems like a step backwards to me. Just a message from Doug... Yup, same here. I printed an email Saturday morning before heading out for some errands... the little printer icon is still there. As you say, not a huge thing, but a little annoying. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Drives. Internal Or External?
On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:16 , Simon Royal wrote: Hi I have always had all-in-one Macs as my main machine so any drives added have always been external. Well now I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' making it easier to add hard drives and optical drives. I have a few queries. Firstly, I have a Pioneer 112D in a firewire case, could I add this in as a second optical drive. I currently have a zip drive underneath my main optical drive, but could I add a second? Electrically, it would work, but the zip drive bay is way smaller and I don't think there is an option for a door on the front for a second optical drive. You could always leave the front panel for the zip and optical drive off the case, but that looks kind of rookie. ;- A mounting bracket would be the big problem... doable, of course, but prolly a little messy. Secondly, I have a 120GB hard drive in a firewire case. Would there be any advantage of putting it internally. I currently have a 20GB 7200RPM boot drive and a 20GB slave drive, could I add a third hard drive into it? I have a large data drive in the zip drive bay, running off the optical drive bus on my DA and it works fine for my purposes. The bus is slower (IIRC) and that might be an issue, depending on your needs, but it works. Does this Mac suffer from the 128GB HD limit and is that per drive or collective drives? Yes... and that is per drive. There are some ways around this, but in my early morning, pre-caffeine fog I can't put my finger on them. :-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth Processor Upgrade
Simon, On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:07 , Simon Royal wrote: Glen I have done some digging and the Sawtooth is quite hard to upgrade processor wise. I think maxxing it to its 2GB RAM limit is a better way to get better performance. I have already installed a 7200RPM hard drive replacing the original drive. Simon The ram and faster HD certainly won't hurt! :- For the processor, unless cost is a big issue... http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?sort=popmodel=89type=ProcessorTI=2043shoupgrds=Show+Upgrades 14 processors at 1.0 GHz or above HTH, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PC RAM?
Hey Simon... On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:18 , Simon Royal wrote: Hi. I've always bought Mac RAM. However, slap the word Mac on RAM and it's price hits the roof. Heh... just like parts for my, long gone, Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. An alternator for my little black 'Bird went from $125 to $379 when the word Turbo entered the conversation! :- In looking for 256MB and 512MB sticks of PC100/133 desktop RAM, will PC RAM work as it is dirt cheap? Is there anything to look for. I know older PowerBooks will take PC RAM as long as it is 16 chip. I have 3 Powermac G4's running and I don't believe any of the three is using Apple branded memory. I just try to be sure the ram is all from the same manufacturer and has the same specs. (And I violate the same Manufacturer rule in the Sawtooth). Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacing 8500/9500 with which G4?
On Sep 28, 2008, at 3:41 , insightinmind wrote: I need to let go of my 8500 and 9500 ... and replace them with an early model PowerMac G4 ... With all my PCI cards (2 ATI Radeon 7000MEs, Sonnet ATA/100 and Trio, USB/FW, ATTO ExpressPro SCSI, still working, and a good GeForce 4MX AGP card removed from my QS 2002, which G4 might you opt for? Multiple selections from PCIs to PCI / AGP? I began thinking I would like something relatively free on my salary as a starving artist-type ... but I don't want to insult the sensibilities of my fellow-Mac-lovers (but probably have). Noticed the faster (larger cache sized) Digital Audio would work for what I need it for, and seemed like a best choice: 133 bus, AGP slot, 4 PCI etc. ... but then I started getting hints that their psu-s are failing (costs at least $100 to replace an HP one recently with a good level psu). I've been offered a BW G3/400 and a Yikes G4/400 (PCI Mac) for costs of Shipping, by some of you great guys out there ... but, it would be nice to have Leopard an option ... although I could live with Tiger. Comments welcomed: On / Off List. I have a DA/733 and haven't (so far) experienced a PSU failure. It's a decent machine and seems to be running Leopard well, although it's not my main Mac and isn't heavily used. The BW-G3 and Yikes-G4 are pretty much the same machine. I have a BW I upgraded with a G4/450 CPU and it was a great computer, running Tiger without a hitch. Then some software came along that required 600 MHz or better and I bought the DA costing less than a faster CPU for the BW. A small consideration between the BW and Yikes, is the BW still has an ADB port. Something missing on the Yikes and later models. Regarding Leopard... there is a way to install the big cat on machines slower than 867 MHz and I suppose it might work on the Yikes, other hardware issues notwithstanding. I can't imagine the performance would be too good. I was going to try to install Leopard on my Gig-E dual 450, but a bout of Chronic Laziness Syndrome put that on the back burner for a while! ;- Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: busted PowerMac G5 2.7 dual: Update
On Sep 17, 2008, at 6:52 , Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 17, 2008, at 5:06 AM, benjee wrote: Incidentally, I have just bought brand new Mac Pro 3.2 GHz for my business. It is fast but not that faster than the G5. Mere speculation Check what software you're using...if it's not Universal, it's like an early PPC Mac running a lot in emulation mode. For a lot of programs, the difference between using PPC and Universal code on a Mac pro is the difference between What? I spent this much for this little performance?? and HOLY CRAP THIS THING IS FAST!!! -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs Much like moving from my BW to the Sawtooth... depended on what was running. Performance went from WHAT!? to Oh Gee! This =is= pretty cool! ;- Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: router recommendations?
Hi Jason... On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:41 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Netgear WGT624 wireless router attached to my dual G5 seems to have become unreliable. Apparently, it's having problems talking to ImOn's 5 DNS servers, because it find some websites successfully, but often produces an error msg. that the site has been parked by godaddy.com on other common sites that have worked and will often work a few minutes later. This problem never occurs when I bypass the router and even stopped for a little while when I tried a different port on the router, though that may have just been a coincidence since that port stopped working too. Does anyone have any wireless router recommendations that work well with both OS X and the occasional Windows interface? Thank you. Jason Cedar Rapids Not really sure this sounds like a hardware problem, though computers can do some pretty strange things if you don't keep an eye on them! :-) If you are set on changing your router... I've had excellent experience with Linksys. Currently using a WRT54GS. It is connecting wireless and wired X 10.5 machines, wired and wireless winderz 2K boxen and a wired Sun Sparc Ultra machine on Solaris 9. HTH, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Windows Emulator in Alpha
Hi Al... On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:07 , Al Poulin wrote: Hello folks: Does anybody have experience with Q emulator, now at 0.9.0a89? OK for casual use? The web site has few user reviews, most back in 2006 with previous versions. Thanks, Al Poulin I've played with this on my 1.6 GHZ Sawtooth. Installing Winderz 2000 takes quite a while, but once installed it doesn't run =too= badly. The main problem I've had is I've found no way to save the installation. Shut down Q and I have to reinstall the M$ OS to run it again, Of course YMMV! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: burning a DVD-R-W
Jane... On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:49 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you burn a DVD -R-W: 1. Can you delete stuff you have burned on it? Or is it there forever? If you are talking about an RW disc, yeah you can erase it and start over. AFAIK, this is an all or nothing deal. You can't remove files individually. 2. Can you amend files and text on the DVD? Once you close the burning session, the disc can't be written to unless you erase it again. If you were to burn a single 2 KB text file to the disc, it would read as having no free space. 3. Should I put a variety of programs on a DVD (such as games, utilities, downloaded/bought software) or stick to one kind? Not sure if it would matter what the mix of files would be. I have many discs and some are all video or all text files. Then again, I have some that are a hodge podge of stuff. I imagine that some sort of organization/system would work out better, but then what would I do on weekends if didn't have to look through dozens of CD's or DVD's for a certain file??? ;- HTH, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
