M-Audio Revolution 7.1 notes

[Sean Carroll]

I read all sorts of terrible things about the M-Audio drivers prior to  
acquiring the PCI card. Just thought I'd mention a finding.


Rule #1 seems to be: Never, ever, never access the M-Audio preference  
pane through the icon in the dock. At least not if you already have  
this pane open through System Preferences, and maybe not under any  
circumstances. I discovered this accidentally. Once I'd installed and  
updated the drivers, I saw the M-Audio thing in System Preferences,  
and figured, OK, that's how I get to it. I didn't put an M-Audio alias  
in the Dock. For the longest time I didn't notice it there when the  
preference pane was open, and then I saw it but didn't know what it  
was and ignored it. The other day I finally realized, oh, that's an M- 
Audio icon down there. So I clicked on it. Instant kernel panic. So I  
shut down, powered up again, logged in, and opened the M-Audio prefs  
the old way. No problems.


The M-Audio interface certainly has its quirks. Some settings are  
saved, and some you seemingly need to reinstate each and every time  
you open the prefs pane. Lately it's been problematic setting up and  
saving speaker sets, and impossible to delete old ones. Fortunately, a  
good working setting that I'd set up early seems to be intact, so the  
aforementioned amounts to a very minor problem. Overall, my experience  
with the sound card has been good. Tremendous sound quality, both out  
and in, head and shoulders above the already fine Apple-installed  
SoundBlaster and Apple Screamer cards I'd worked with before. Works  
great with (not to mention made possible) my newly expanded speaker  
system, 2 Altec Lansing speakers with subwoofer plus 2 more with  
integrated subwoofers (all powered).


Anyway, on the off chance that the oddity I mentioned in the second  
paragraph is the reason your Revolution 7.1 is sitting in a drawer  
right now, I mention it. The kernel panic I mentioned is the one and  
only instance of a SYSTEM problem caused by the card/drivers in at  
least 6 weeks of frequent and intense use (in Leopard - drivers also  
installed in Tiger although I haven't worked with the M-Audio there).  
This despite the fact that the "fine print" of the driver install  
process mentions "does not support CPU upgrades" - and I started out  
using it with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz CPU upgrade and have since installed a  
1.6 GHz CPU.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:


On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, imrazor wrote:

As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution  
sounds
very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to  
write
Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards)  
that

actually sound quite good. See here:

http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/


These drivers say nothing about "Intel only", and normally Leopard  
10.5 drivers are "universal" so perhaps the 10.5 drivers work on  
PPC Macs also?


My understanding is there are ones for Snow Leopard and Leopard.  
Hope Leopard is for PPCs ...


I'm trying to get the Envy24 drivers to install and load on my QS  
2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.8 for an M-Audio 2496 PCI audio  
card ... trying to contact the designer about what I might be doing  
wrong. Doesn't load so far. Sent him/her my machine specs in the  
form of a System Profiler report.


Was excited to hear of some drivers under Leopard, even without the  
MIDI support ...


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They creator says this is only for Hackintosh machines.

It would not load on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, where I have trouble with M- 
Audio's drivers, under Leopard 10.5.8


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

Keep in mind that the driver OS compatibility is misleading, at  
least for the 5.1. There is a 'final' driver that is marked for  
10.4 and a 'beta' driver marked for 10.5, but if you download & run  
the 'beta' it will say it supports 10.4 & 10.5.


Thanks. Last I checked, all these cards that been on Amazon and eBay  
had disappeared.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Tina K.]

On 2011/03/11 22:00, Sean Carroll wrote:

I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound
cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine
with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop.


Keep in mind that the driver OS compatibility is misleading, at least 
for the 5.1. There is a 'final' driver that is marked for 10.4 and a 
'beta' driver marked for 10.5, but if you download & run the 'beta' it 
will say it supports 10.4 & 10.5.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:


On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, imrazor wrote:


As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds
very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to  
write
Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards)  
that

actually sound quite good. See here:

http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/


These drivers say nothing about "Intel only", and normally Leopard  
10.5 drivers are "universal" so perhaps the 10.5 drivers work on PPC  
Macs also?


My understanding is there are ones for Snow Leopard and Leopard. Hope  
Leopard is for PPCs ...


I'm trying to get the Envy24 drivers to install and load on my QS 2002  
Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.8 for an M-Audio 2496 PCI audio card ...  
trying to contact the designer about what I might be doing wrong.  
Doesn't load so far. Sent him/her my machine specs in the form of a  
System Profiler report.


Was excited to hear of some drivers under Leopard, even without the  
MIDI support ...


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, imrazor wrote:


As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds
very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to write
Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards) that
actually sound quite good. See here:

http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/


These drivers say nothing about "Intel only", and normally Leopard  
10.5 drivers are "universal" so perhaps the 10.5 drivers work on PPC  
Macs also?


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[imrazor]

>
> Thanks, Bill. Though I'm not looking to M-Audio for anything I'd  
> record my own music with (I wouldn't dare, after what I've read),  
> your experience echoes the overall tenor of what I've read elsewhere.  
> Frustration.
>
> So the hardware is good and the drivers suck and support does not  
> exist. The driver situation doesn't bode well. Anything could happen.  
> Support, well... since when could I expect support for a Sawtooth or  
> anything I could possibly put into it (aside from this here list  
> itself, of course)? Unfortunately, for my machine, one of the M-Audio  
> Revolutions seems to be the only game in town. I've seen them on eBay  
> for cheap, but I have no experience with eBay and no trust. At the  
> right price, the M-Audio could be worth taking a chance on. I guess  
> I'll keep an eye on LEM Swap for a while.
>
> Over and out.
>
> Sean Carroll
> slcarr...@me.com

As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds
very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to write
Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards) that
actually sound quite good. See here:

http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/

Eric

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

Here's the lengthy Forum Thread that I spent way too much time  
discovering these simple truths:
Apple: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa? 
threadID=1910640&tstart=57

M-Audio:  http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856


Thanks, Bill. Though I'm not looking to M-Audio for anything I'd  
record my own music with (I wouldn't dare, after what I've read),  
your experience echoes the overall tenor of what I've read elsewhere.  
Frustration.


So the hardware is good and the drivers suck and support does not  
exist. The driver situation doesn't bode well. Anything could happen.  
Support, well... since when could I expect support for a Sawtooth or  
anything I could possibly put into it (aside from this here list  
itself, of course)? Unfortunately, for my machine, one of the M-Audio  
Revolutions seems to be the only game in town. I've seen them on eBay  
for cheap, but I have no experience with eBay and no trust. At the  
right price, the M-Audio could be worth taking a chance on. I guess  
I'll keep an eye on LEM Swap for a while.


Over and out.

Sean Carroll
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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Bill Connelly]

On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Sean Carroll wrote:


Too bad the driver support has decayed so badly over the years.


With a 1999 machine running a (largely) 2005 OS, I'm hoping for  
immunity from the decay. I'll try to glean from the archive how  
applicable the driver issues are to me.


I have the M-Audio 2496 in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, and its drivers wreak  
somewhat havoc under 10.5.8.


It was finally suggested by Sweetwater,com musicians staff, to only  
use it under Tiger 10.4.11.


So, when I run my Leopard system, I don't have its driver's loaded.  
When I need to do music work, I will go back to Tiger and use it there.


I don't believe there is any hope for new drivers from M-Audio, now  
called Avid.


Here's the lengthy Forum Thread that I spent way too much time  
discovering these simple truths:

Apple: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1910640&tstart=57
M-Audio:  http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856

If anyone knows of Generic Audio Drivers that might work with any of  
these PCI audio cards, let me know.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

so if you need a comprehensive archive it's best to use the archive  
at .


Thank you.

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

Too bad the driver support has decayed so badly over the years.


With a 1999 machine running a (largely) 2005 OS, I'm hoping for  
immunity from the decay. I'll try to glean from the archive how  
applicable the driver issues are to me.



I also like my
music loud - it really helps me hear the detail in the music, even for
slow music that would normally be played softly. For the most part, I
hate living in a house (yard work, ugh), but the one thing that really
makes homeowning pay off for meis being able to crank my music as loud
as I like.


I hear you, Eric. 9 years in a rented house in a rural area was  
heaven. (Even in spite of a couple acres worth of yard work.) The  
current rented room in a house situation isn't oppressively  
restrictive, but I may yet be forced to live in an apartment again (=  
headphones), so I'm hoping good headphone volume and control is part  
of the M-audio package, or if not, part of some other sound card  
package.


Oh, and for those of you who might have thought "hook it up to your  
stereo, why don't you?" - the Mac + Altec-Lansing speaker system *is*  
the stereo (not to mention the radio and [theoretically] the  
television [that I don't watch and rarely even consider]). Best  
stereo I've ever had.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[imrazor]

> Well, it's an old sound card for an old machine. I'm not really  
> counting on any support. Just looking for digital sound (music, not  
> movies) that's a cut above and more control over it (no real  
> complaint about the stock card), future speaker options, and also  
> headphone volume that could damage my hearing if I wanted it to. Not  
> that I even like to use headphones anymore, but it's a good option to  
> have, and the lack of real bass response in any headphones is made  
> worse by ridiculously low line-level volume. I thought there would be  
> a simple and cheap fix for this - I can't be the only person in the  
> world who likes their music *loud* - but everything I found was  
> complicated and expensive.

Despite all the problems I've had with this card, when it does work,
it sounds great. I'm no musician, sound engineer, or even an
audiophile, but the Revolution is a very good sounding card, even
though it's relatively long in the tooth. I've since found better
sounding cards, but at the time I got it it was a revelation. Too bad
the driver support has decayed so badly over the years. Note that I
can only speak to the analog output - I've never had digital speakers,
and can't see myself getting any in the near future. I also like my
music loud - it really helps me hear the detail in the music, even for
slow music that would normally be played softly. For the most part, I
hate living in a house (yard work, ugh), but the one thing that really
makes homeowning pay off for meis being able to crank my music as loud
as I like.

Eric

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 12, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Sean Carroll wrote:


You should read all older posts about this.


Thanks, I will. Didn't search because I really didn't figure there  
would be any.


One problem with archive searches is that this list migrated from LEM  
and MacLaunch.com over to Google Groups, and in the migration, the old  
list which was called "g-l...@maclaunch.com" became "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
". I don't believe Google groups archive searches are complete, so if  
you need a comprehensive archive it's best to use the archive at <http://www.mail-archive.com/ 
>. You can find many postings about M-Audio cards. This subject of M- 
Audio drivers has been discussed many times.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

Mine works if I switch to and fro in the control panel and sometimes I
have to restart my MDD. Tiger is worse than Panther, the "latest"
drivers for Tiger are not good at all, IMHO you can better use the
Panther drivers in Tiger too.


Is your MDD a dual-processor, Jörg? I get the impression issues  
reported often have to do with dual-processor machines.



You should read all older posts about this.


Thanks, I will. Didn't search because I really didn't figure there  
would be any.



The card seems OK but the Mac support really sucks.


Well, it's an old sound card for an old machine. I'm not really  
counting on any support. Just looking for digital sound (music, not  
movies) that's a cut above and more control over it (no real  
complaint about the stock card), future speaker options, and also  
headphone volume that could damage my hearing if I wanted it to. Not  
that I even like to use headphones anymore, but it's a good option to  
have, and the lack of real bass response in any headphones is made  
worse by ridiculously low line-level volume. I thought there would be  
a simple and cheap fix for this - I can't be the only person in the  
world who likes their music *loud* - but everything I found was  
complicated and expensive.


Sean Carroll
slcarr...@me.com

Power Mac G4 AGP "Sawtooth" 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) &
PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet & USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800
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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Jörg Duurkoop]

Hi,

> I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound
> cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine
> with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop.

Working fine is something else ...

Mine works if I switch to and fro in the control panel and sometimes I
have to restart my MDD. Tiger is worse than Panther, the "latest"
drivers for Tiger are not good at all, IMHO you can better use the
Panther drivers in Tiger too.

Mainly I only use the digital out now and sometimes one analog setting
to feed a sort of surround signal to my Stax earspeakers when watching
a film late at night.

You should read all older posts about this. The card seems OK but the
Mac support really sucks.

Good luck, Jörg.


On 12 mrt, 06:00, Sean Carroll  wrote:

>
> Sean
>
> Power Mac G4 AGP "Sawtooth" 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) &
> PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet & USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800
> Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Jörg Duurkoop]

Hi,

> I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound
> cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine
> with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop.

Working fine is something else ...

Mine works if I switch to and fro in the control panel and sometimes I
have to restart my MDD. Tiger is worse than Panther, the "latest"
drivers for Tiger are not good at all, IMHO you can better use the
Panther drivers in Tiger too.

Mainly I only use the digital out now and sometimes one analog setting
to feed a sort of surround signal to my Stax earspeakers when watching
a film late at night.

You should read all older posts about this. The card seems OK but the
Mac support really sucks.

Good luck, Jörg.


On 12 mrt, 06:00, Sean Carroll  wrote:

>
> Sean
>
> Power Mac G4 AGP "Sawtooth" 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) &
> PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet & USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800
> Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound  
cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine  
with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop.


Sean

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PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet & USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800
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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[peter]

On Mar 6, 11:05 pm, "Tina K."  wrote:

> I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers however
> had issues such as forgetting settings.

I picked up the 5.1 used (for $15!!) off craigslist in January, for my
GigE dual 450. The new drivers have been working fine, though when I
use fast user switching, I get a crazy noise sometimes from the
speakers. system logs show a ton of notes about something to do with
unexpected volume change (one error for each of the 6 channels). But
as soon as I change the volume, it figures itself out, and the loud
buzzing goes away, so I haven't worried about it up till now.

I am using the analogue ports, not the digital, and my speakers are
all small computer speakers, including a cute little sub-woofer that
fits under my desk nicely.

The only setting I have had to change more than once was the audio
input. I want it to be through my web cam, and it keeps trying to pick
up from the M-Audio's input port. But that is a setting in Skype, not
System Prefs, or the M-Audio panel.

Since I watch/listen to all my media on this Mac (there's no TV in my
house), it's been really fun to have.

Peter

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[imrazor]

On Mar 7, 1:15 am, "Tina K."  wrote:
> On 3/6/11 9:19 PM, Sean Carroll wrote:
>
> >> I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers
> >> however had issues such as forgetting settings.
>
> > Thanks, Tina. Do you still use the card? I see where M-Audio has some
> > updated 5.1 drivers with a release date of 1-27-2009, don't know if that
> > would/would have address(ed) those settings issues you mention.
>
> My Power Mac died a premature death and it's replacement, a Mac Pro, is
> PCI-E so the card won't fit.
>
> I had gone back & forth between the 'beta' and 'release' drivers, aka
> Tiger & Leopard drivers, and each had their unique issues. This was on a
> G5 DP fwiw.
>
> Tina
I have a Revolution 7.1 that I've been using for years. It worked
great in my Quicksilver 2002 under Jaguar and Panther, but turned into
a nightmare when I moved to a DP G5. At first the problem was pretty
frequent kernel panics. An updated driver got rid of the KP's, but I
still had frequent audio distortion. It now resides in a PC, where it
produces good sound. I wouldn't recommend it in a Mac, except possibly
with an older OS and a single processor.

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Tina K.]

On 3/6/11 9:19 PM, Sean Carroll wrote:

I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers
however had issues such as forgetting settings.


Thanks, Tina. Do you still use the card? I see where M-Audio has some
updated 5.1 drivers with a release date of 1-27-2009, don't know if that
would/would have address(ed) those settings issues you mention.


My Power Mac died a premature death and it's replacement, a Mac Pro, is 
PCI-E so the card won't fit.


I had gone back & forth between the 'beta' and 'release' drivers, aka 
Tiger & Leopard drivers, and each had their unique issues. This was on a 
G5 DP fwiw.


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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers  
however had issues such as forgetting settings.


Thanks, Tina. Do you still use the card? I see where M-Audio has some  
updated 5.1 drivers with a release date of 1-27-2009, don't know if  
that would/would have address(ed) those settings issues you mention.


Sean

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Tina K.]

On 3/6/11 7:23 PM, Sean Carroll wrote:

Does anyone here have any experience to share about this PCI sound card?
I think I'd like to get one, but some feedback from the older Mac crowd
could be helpful in making that decision. Sound cards seem to be a
subject of less than widespread interest here, so I'll gladly take
replies off-list.


I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers however 
had issues such as forgetting settings.


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M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4

[Sean Carroll]

Does anyone here have any experience to share about this PCI sound  
card? I think I'd like to get one, but some feedback from the older  
Mac crowd could be helpful in making that decision. Sound cards seem  
to be a subject of less than widespread interest here, so I'll gladly  
take replies off-list.


Thanks.

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Re: M-Audio

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

Sounds like I need version 9. Thanks for the heads up.

Stephen

On 12/1/10 3:06 PM, TVirkkala wrote:

It's ProTools 9 that has liberated the user from the box. You've gotta
pay for that liberation!


Strange, I installed the 8.0.0 ProTools LE that came with my MBox2,
and it won't run unless the Mbox2 is connected. It also trashed my
Snow Leopard, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The ReadMe said to
disable a whole host of useful services in order for it to run. I did
just download the 8.04 update, but haven't had a chance to install it.
Only a 1.7 GB (groan!) download. But I'll give it a whirl since it
sounds like they fixed lots of stuff.


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Re: M-Audio

[TVirkkala]

It's ProTools 9 that has liberated the user from the box. You've gotta  
pay for that liberation!


Strange, I installed the 8.0.0 ProTools LE that came with my MBox2,  
and it won't run unless the Mbox2 is connected. It also trashed my  
Snow Leopard, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The ReadMe said  
to disable a whole host of useful services in order for it to run. I  
did just download the 8.04 update, but haven't had a chance to  
install it. Only a 1.7 GB (groan!) download. But I'll give it a  
whirl since it sounds like they fixed lots of stuff.


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Re: M-Audio

[yawg]

Hi there,

> All I can say is that I hope they continue down that path. For now I'll
> be watching from the sidelines.

Same here. The drivers for my Rev. 7.1 only worked - somehow - under
Panther as did my webcam as did my Adobe "classic" apps etc. etc.

That's why I stay in Panther except for internet browsing. Under Tiger
the M-Audio drivers work barely but I cannot change certain values or
my MDD crashes. It seems to me that the Panther drivers work "better"
under Tiger than their "dedicated" half-hearted Tiger-version!
Apparently the card itself is not too bad though..

I still can't see any big pros to upgrade from Tiger. What would they
be on the last MDD that is able to boot OS9 natively?

And in the M-Audio commercials all the users have Macs! What a bad
joke.

Good luck, Jörg.

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Re: M-Audio

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 16:58, TVirkkala so eloquently wrote:

ProTools reversed course and allowed use of their software without
hardware attached. A first for all flavors of Pro Tools (I use M-Powered
8, which works with my M-Audio Fast Track Ulta).

It looks like things may be changing in the Pro Tools/M-Audio world.


All I can say is that I hope they continue down that path. For now I'll 
be watching from the sidelines.


Tina

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Re: M-Audio

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 16:28, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:

It's my understanding that Delta_OSX_2.0.8.dmg is for 10.4.11 for my
card. They say its for 10.5, but it isn't. The Uninstall doesn't even
work. I had to do that manually.


Shocking I tell you!


Nice you used control with the language. I had to practice restraint as
well.


I think that's a function of age, but don't tell anyone. ;-)

Tina

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Re: M-Audio

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 11/30/10 2:58 PM, TVirkkala wrote:

The latest edition ...


A few months back I got a survey from M-Audio about what new products
they should make. It was returned to them with every free form space
marked FIX THE GOSH DARN DRIVERS! Of course that's never going to happen…


of ProTools reversed course and allowed use of their software without
hardware attached. A first for all flavors of Pro Tools (I use M-Powered
8, which works with my M-Audio Fast Track Ulta).

It looks like things may be changing in the Pro Tools/M-Audio world.

Timo V
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Power Macintosh 5500 / Macintosh SE/30 / Macintosh Classic



Strange, I installed the 8.0.0 ProTools LE that came with my MBox2, and 
it won't run unless the Mbox2 is connected. It also trashed my Snow 
Leopard, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The ReadMe said to 
disable a whole host of useful services in order for it to run. I did 
just download the 8.04 update, but haven't had a chance to install it. 
Only a 1.7 GB (groan!) download. But I'll give it a whirl since it 
sounds like they fixed lots of stuff.


I had a 2496 for a while in my G4 under Tiger and moved it to a G5 
running 10.4.11. It caused all manners of grief, crashes, lockups, and 
not waking up from Sleep. I finally sold it to a windoze sucked on 
fleabay. Don't ask me why I bought the Mbox2. I'm on an Intel Mac now.


Stephen

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Re: M-Audio

[TVirkkala]

The latest edition ...

A few months back I got a survey from M-Audio about what new  
products they should make. It was returned to them with every free  
form space marked FIX THE GOSH DARN DRIVERS! Of course that's never  
going to happen…


of ProTools reversed course and allowed use of their software without  
hardware attached. A first for all flavors of Pro Tools (I use M- 
Powered 8, which works with my M-Audio Fast Track Ulta).


It looks like things may be changing in the Pro Tools/M-Audio world.

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Power Macintosh 5500/Macintosh SE/30/Macintosh Classic





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Re: M-Audio

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2010/11/30 15:18, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:
Have you tried things under Tiger? Using the Tiger drivers. I know  
its
frustrating dealing with them ... I've been cussing for years now  
about
the M-Audio2496 ... folks at Sweetwater suggested 10.4.11. M-Audio  
(AVID
... the nice logo folks) keep telling us it works under Leopard ...  
not

true.


Yes I have tried it under Tiger, sort of. If you go to M-Audio's  
site the "10.4 driver" is beta, the final being marked for 10.5. It  
wasn't until I installed Leopard and the 'final' driver that I found  
out it was actually for 10.4 AND 10.5, they just mismarked it. So I  
never got to try the 'final' driver with Tiger.


A few months back I got a survey from M-Audio about what new  
products they should make. It was returned to them with every free  
form space marked FIX THE GOSH DARN DRIVERS! Of course that's never  
going to happen…




It's my understanding that Delta_OSX_2.0.8.dmg is for 10.4.11 for my  
card. They say its for 10.5, but it isn't. The Uninstall doesn't even  
work. I had to do that manually.


Don't know about your driver download.

Nice you used control with the language. I had to practice restraint  
as well.


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Re: M-Audio

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 15:18, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:

Have you tried things under Tiger? Using the Tiger drivers. I know its
frustrating dealing with them ... I've been cussing for years now about
the M-Audio2496 ... folks at Sweetwater suggested 10.4.11. M-Audio (AVID
... the nice logo folks) keep telling us it works under Leopard ... not
true.


Yes I have tried it under Tiger, sort of. If you go to M-Audio's site 
the "10.4 driver" is beta, the final being marked for 10.5. It wasn't 
until I installed Leopard and the 'final' driver that I found out it was 
actually for 10.4 AND 10.5, they just mismarked it. So I never got to 
try the 'final' driver with Tiger.


A few months back I got a survey from M-Audio about what new products 
they should make. It was returned to them with every free form space 
marked FIX THE GOSH DARN DRIVERS! Of course that's never going to happen…


Tina

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Re: M-Audio

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 30, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2010/11/30 13:51, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:
> my M-Audio 2496 PCI card isn't still up to date with Leopard. M- 
Audio

> stopped at Tiger.

I think I'm done with M-Audio. The drivers for my Revolution 5.1 are  
junk - it forgets settings, I always have to manually mute the  
headphones, I get buzzing and crackling in the audio, and the Right  
channel drops periodically necessitating a reboot.


They claim the driver is 10.5 compatible but I wouldn't agree.

Tina



Have you tried things under Tiger? Using the Tiger drivers. I know its  
frustrating dealing with them ... I've been cussing for years now  
about the M-Audio2496 ... folks at Sweetwater suggested 10.4.11. M- 
Audio (AVID ... the nice logo folks) keep telling us it works under  
Leopard ... not true.


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M-Audio

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 13:51, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:
> my M-Audio 2496 PCI card isn't still up to date with Leopard. M-Audio
> stopped at Tiger.

I think I'm done with M-Audio. The drivers for my Revolution 5.1 are 
junk - it forgets settings, I always have to manually mute the 
headphones, I get buzzing and crackling in the audio, and the Right 
channel drops periodically necessitating a reboot.


They claim the driver is 10.5 compatible but I wouldn't agree.

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Bill Connelly]

Oh ... I saw Kris Tilford say this in another post ... it reminded me  
another possible fix after an upgrade:


Do a Safe Boot, and then a Restart:

What Is:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1564

How To:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1455

Wish I remembered that this last time ... I had a blinking mouse and  
pulsing blue screen ... some kind of cycle that said something about  
"501" couldn't be contacted ...


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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:


On 4/4/10 10:30 AM, Eric Volker wrote:

Aha! The dual processor is probably the issue. My old Quicksilver  
had a dual CPU upgrade. I just ordered a USB M-Box 2 as a  
replacement since my next Mac will probably be an Intel iMac, and  
I'll use it sometimes with my wife's MacBook. It will be interesting  
to see how it behaves with the dual G5.


Maybe I'll keep the 2496 and get a hackintosh! Do you have a link to  
the "amateur" driver? It's probably more professional than what the  
amateurs at M-Audio put out.


Stephen



Wonder if that is part of the problem. It always looked like I got an  
error message about one of the CPUs not getting addressed / data  
correctly, as part of the kp dump.


The driver Eric was talking about is for the Revolution 7.1 ...  
probably not the same as for the M-Audio 2496? It appears to be about  
a year older than the last M-Audio driver for the 2496.


Still interested in contacting that driver hacker ... let me know if  
his link comes through!


Thanks

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 4/4/10 10:30 AM, Eric Volker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Bill Connellywrote:



On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:






I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in an
older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M-Audio
hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised that they
would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had recently done a
clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure, with no change in KP
behavior - even on a brand new OS install with the most recent drivers.

My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and dumping
the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR connections.
Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would really prefer firewire
and something like the Edirol FA-66, but unfortunately they are hard to
find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They seem to be getting really good reviews
and are well supported in the Mac universe. Only problem, they come with Pro
Tools, which is an (Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage Band here I come ;-)

Stephen



Hi Stephen (and others on the list)

If you read the other thread "Re: Kernal Panics, Was ...", you'll see the
trouble I just had ... seem to be back up ... til the next kp ...

I'm doing some VHS to DV conversion, and I read along the way that USB
wasn't as good as FW when it comes to real time transfer of data ... USB is
in bursts and FW is more continuous (as I understand it).

Not sure how this applies to audio ... if you're just transferring recorded
data it might be ok ... if you're digitizing audio, its not, as I see it.
But if you're going from today's devices to the Mac, you're already
digitized ...

May have nothing to do with your application ... I had wanted to merge my
Yamaha motif es8 keyboard output, with Sibelius playback, and possibly mix
in my horn recording at a later date. Trying to do this in real time ...
using Sibelius / Keyboard as my accompanist.

All controlled by my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz tied together by a Mackie
1402 VLZPro mixer ...

Wonder if there's a way we could fix those access / permissions and such?


I had an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in my Mac for a long time. In my 800MHz

Quicksilver 2002 under older versions of Tiger it worked pretty well.
However, when I got a dual G5 I began having many issues. From what I can
tell, the old M-Audio driver really did not like dual CPUs. I eventually
moved it to a Hackintosh where, against all reason, it worked flawlessly
with a driver whipped up by an amateur hacker. M-Audio does have some new
Leopard drivers available that I haven't tried yet, but I wouldn't expect
much. For my G5, I eventually went with a PCI card that added a PCMCIA slot
to the G5, and plugged in an Echo Indigo IO. It was a bear to set up, but
once up was rock solid - and sounded great too. Note that I am not a
musician nor a sound engineer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Eric



Aha! The dual processor is probably the issue. My old Quicksilver had a 
dual CPU upgrade. I just ordered a USB M-Box 2 as a replacement since my 
next Mac will probably be an Intel iMac, and I'll use it sometimes with 
my wife's MacBook. It will be interesting to see how it behaves with the 
dual G5.


Maybe I'll keep the 2496 and get a hackintosh! Do you have a link to the 
"amateur" driver? It's probably more professional than what the amateurs 
at M-Audio put out.


Stephen

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Eric Volker]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

>
> On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>> I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in an
>> older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M-Audio
>> hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised that they
>> would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had recently done a
>> clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure, with no change in KP
>> behavior - even on a brand new OS install with the most recent drivers.
>>
>> My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and dumping
>> the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR connections.
>> Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would really prefer firewire
>> and something like the Edirol FA-66, but unfortunately they are hard to
>> find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They seem to be getting really good reviews
>> and are well supported in the Mac universe. Only problem, they come with Pro
>> Tools, which is an (Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage Band here I come ;-)
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>
> Hi Stephen (and others on the list)
>
> If you read the other thread "Re: Kernal Panics, Was ...", you'll see the
> trouble I just had ... seem to be back up ... til the next kp ...
>
> I'm doing some VHS to DV conversion, and I read along the way that USB
> wasn't as good as FW when it comes to real time transfer of data ... USB is
> in bursts and FW is more continuous (as I understand it).
>
> Not sure how this applies to audio ... if you're just transferring recorded
> data it might be ok ... if you're digitizing audio, its not, as I see it.
> But if you're going from today's devices to the Mac, you're already
> digitized ...
>
> May have nothing to do with your application ... I had wanted to merge my
> Yamaha motif es8 keyboard output, with Sibelius playback, and possibly mix
> in my horn recording at a later date. Trying to do this in real time ...
> using Sibelius / Keyboard as my accompanist.
>
> All controlled by my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz tied together by a Mackie
> 1402 VLZPro mixer ...
>
> Wonder if there's a way we could fix those access / permissions and such?
>
>
> I had an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in my Mac for a long time. In my 800MHz
Quicksilver 2002 under older versions of Tiger it worked pretty well.
However, when I got a dual G5 I began having many issues. From what I can
tell, the old M-Audio driver really did not like dual CPUs. I eventually
moved it to a Hackintosh where, against all reason, it worked flawlessly
with a driver whipped up by an amateur hacker. M-Audio does have some new
Leopard drivers available that I haven't tried yet, but I wouldn't expect
much. For my G5, I eventually went with a PCI card that added a PCMCIA slot
to the G5, and plugged in an Echo Indigo IO. It was a bear to set up, but
once up was rock solid - and sounded great too. Note that I am not a
musician nor a sound engineer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Eric

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:




I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in  
an older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M- 
Audio hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised  
that they would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had  
recently done a clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure,  
with no change in KP behavior - even on a brand new OS install with  
the most recent drivers.


My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and  
dumping the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR  
connections. Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would  
really prefer firewire and something like the Edirol FA-66, but  
unfortunately they are hard to find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They  
seem to be getting really good reviews and are well supported in the  
Mac universe. Only problem, they come with Pro Tools, which is an  
(Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage Band here I come ;-)


Stephen


Hi Stephen (and others on the list)

If you read the other thread "Re: Kernal Panics, Was ...", you'll see  
the trouble I just had ... seem to be back up ... til the next kp ...


I'm doing some VHS to DV conversion, and I read along the way that USB  
wasn't as good as FW when it comes to real time transfer of data ...  
USB is in bursts and FW is more continuous (as I understand it).


Not sure how this applies to audio ... if you're just transferring  
recorded data it might be ok ... if you're digitizing audio, its not,  
as I see it. But if you're going from today's devices to the Mac,  
you're already digitized ...


May have nothing to do with your application ... I had wanted to merge  
my Yamaha motif es8 keyboard output, with Sibelius playback, and  
possibly mix in my horn recording at a later date. Trying to do this  
in real time ... using Sibelius / Keyboard as my accompanist.


All controlled by my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz tied together by a  
Mackie 1402 VLZPro mixer ...


Wonder if there's a way we could fix those access / permissions and  
such?


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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 4/2/10 6:51 AM, billycar_G3-5 wrote:

This is the behavior I referred to above (I don't know what other
audio card to suggest):

Having recently downloaded a lot of upgrades (FCE 4, Quicktime,
iTunes, Security update, etc) ...

I just got 3 kps in a row ... 2 between restart using the Programmer's
button ... 1 on next Cold Boot ... finally went through, after I
turned on a FW device I had turned off during the last session where
the Mac seemed to be running well (not sure if this is this kps
cause).

I noticed each kp seemed to load more, by looking at the end of the
panic log (not the top) ... don't know how to pinpoint the problem.
Its possibly not the M-Audio drivers ... possibly a problem with M-
Audio setting of Permissions ... their Uninstall doesn't work under
Leopard, and I have to Uninstall manually ... tells me their support
is incomplete ...

Any suggestions?

I'm now using "applejack" in Single User Mode to autopilot a possible
solution ... Repairs Disk, Permissions, empties caches, etc.



I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in an 
older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M-Audio 
hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised that they 
would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had recently done 
a clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure, with no change in KP 
behavior - even on a brand new OS install with the most recent drivers.


My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and dumping 
the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR connections. 
Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would really prefer 
firewire and something like the Edirol FA-66, but unfortunately they are 
hard to find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They seem to be getting really 
good reviews and are well supported in the Mac universe. Only problem, 
they come with Pro Tools, which is an (Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage 
Band here I come ;-)


Stephen

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[billycar_G3-5]

This is the behavior I referred to above (I don't know what other
audio card to suggest):

Having recently downloaded a lot of upgrades (FCE 4, Quicktime,
iTunes, Security update, etc) ...

I just got 3 kps in a row ... 2 between restart using the Programmer's
button ... 1 on next Cold Boot ... finally went through, after I
turned on a FW device I had turned off during the last session where
the Mac seemed to be running well (not sure if this is this kps
cause).

I noticed each kp seemed to load more, by looking at the end of the
panic log (not the top) ... don't know how to pinpoint the problem.
Its possibly not the M-Audio drivers ... possibly a problem with M-
Audio setting of Permissions ... their Uninstall doesn't work under
Leopard, and I have to Uninstall manually ... tells me their support
is incomplete ...

Any suggestions?

I'm now using "applejack" in Single User Mode to autopilot a possible
solution ... Repairs Disk, Permissions, empties caches, etc.

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

On 4/1/10 7:41 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:


On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:


A bit off topic, but maybe somebody here has some ideas!

My G5 2.0 Duely with Tiger (10.4.11) will often hang on boot - all the
fans running full speed and the dreaded screen saying "hold down power
button for 5 seconds..." which I do, and eventually the thing will
boot. When I look through the logs, M-audio is always right there at
the top of the list.

I have an M-Audio 2496 PCI card in it that I use a lot for digitizing
music. I see complaints on the "tubes" about how lousy the M-Audio
drivers are. Anybody else find a solution? I'm considering dumping the
card and going to a firewire audio digitizing solution. The built-in
audio isn't quite good enough.



I have the same card in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz.

Gives me the same problem, usually solved after a second boot.

Doesn't Sleep Mode at all ... doesn't play well with other PCI cards ...
I think my new IOGEAR USB 2 is behaving well together ...

M-Audio has a Forum ...

Whenever I do a Software Update, I look for a kp at the first Restart
... not always.

Its the 2496 drivers ... temper / mental ...

Works most of the time ...



Thanks, glad to know that I'm not alone in this vast universe! I have 
the most recent driver installed, but it must not have been designated 
because it sure drives drunk!


Stephen

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Bill Connelly]

On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:


A bit off topic, but maybe somebody here has some ideas!

My G5 2.0 Duely with Tiger (10.4.11) will often hang on boot - all  
the fans running full speed and the dreaded screen saying "hold down  
power button for 5 seconds..." which I do, and eventually the thing  
will boot. When I look through the logs, M-audio is always right  
there at the top of the list.


I have an M-Audio 2496 PCI card in it that I use a lot for  
digitizing music. I see complaints on the "tubes" about how lousy  
the M-Audio drivers are. Anybody else find a solution? I'm  
considering dumping the card and going to a firewire audio  
digitizing solution. The built-in audio isn't quite good enough.




I have the same card in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz.

Gives me the same problem, usually solved after a second boot.

Doesn't Sleep Mode at all ... doesn't play well with other PCI  
cards ... I think my new IOGEAR USB 2 is behaving well together ...


M-Audio has a Forum ...

Whenever I do a Software Update, I look for a kp at the first  
Restart ... not always.


Its the 2496 drivers ... temper / mental ...

Works most of the time ...

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G5 and M-audio crash on boot

[Stephen E. Bodnar]

A bit off topic, but maybe somebody here has some ideas!

My G5 2.0 Duely with Tiger (10.4.11) will often hang on boot - all the 
fans running full speed and the dreaded screen saying "hold down power 
button for 5 seconds..." which I do, and eventually the thing will boot. 
When I look through the logs, M-audio is always right there at the top 
of the list.


I have an M-Audio 2496 PCI card in it that I use a lot for digitizing 
music. I see complaints on the "tubes" about how lousy the M-Audio 
drivers are. Anybody else find a solution? I'm considering dumping the 
card and going to a firewire audio digitizing solution. The built-in 
audio isn't quite good enough.


Stephen

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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[Eric Volker]

I found a novel solution to my Revo problems. I moved the card from my  
G5 to a Hackintosh. I then downloaded an Envy24HT driver from 
www.audio-evolution.com/drivers 
  and voila, I got lovely sound from my Revo. The problem: no volume  
control, or for that matter any control. But at least these drivers  
don't garble the output or cause kernel panics.

Eric

On Feb 5, 2009, at 3:20 PM, yawg wrote:

>
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>> I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
>> 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
>> audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
>> problems with M-Audio drivers.
>>
>> I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
>> keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
>> card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
>> anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
>> (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>>
>> Eric
> >


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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Eric,

I forgot to mention: I'm using my Rev. 7.1 card with the M-Audio
driver ver. 1.4.0 under the latest Panther version and ver. 1.4.1
under Tiger on my beloved MDD G4 1.25 GHz. It might be that you'll
need an earlier version of the M-Audio shitware to get your card going
under whatever version of OSX you are using. Fiddle about, fiddle
about ... (remember The Who?)

Sorry for the double posts, but who the f ... gives a s ... anyway?

Cheers, Yawg.

On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, yawg  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> > 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> > audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> > problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> > I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> > keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> > card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> > anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> > (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> > Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Eric,

I forgot to mention: I'm using my Rev. 7.1 card with the M-Audio
driver ver. 1.4.0 under the latest Panther version and ver. 1.4.1
under Tiger on my beloved MDD G4 1.25 GHz. It might be that you'll
need an earlier version of the M-Audio shitware to get your card going
under whatever version of OSX you are using. Fiddle about, fiddle
about ... (remember The Who?)

Sorry for the double posts, but who the f ... gives a s ... anyway?

Cheers, Yawg.

On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, yawg  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> > 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> > audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> > problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> > I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> > keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> > card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> > anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> > (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> > Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Eric,

I forgot to mention: I'm using my Rev. 7.1 card with the M-Audio
driver ver. 1.4.0 under the latest Panther version and ver. 1.4.1
under Tiger on my beloved MDD G4 1.25 GHz. It might be that you'll
need an earlier version of the M-Audio shitware to get your card going
under whatever version of OSX you are using. Fiddle about, fiddle
about ... (remember The Who?)

Sorry for the double posts, but who the f ... gives a s ... anyway?

Cheers, Yawg.

On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, yawg  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
> Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
> You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
> versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
> 7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...
>
> I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
> to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
> connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.
>
> Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
> max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
> anyway ...
>
> Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
> the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
> really shines.
>
> I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
> to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
> tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
> gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
> with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
> triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?
>
> Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,
>
> Jörg.
>
> On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
>
> > I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> > 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> > audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> > problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> > I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> > keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> > card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> > anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> > (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> > Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Hi Eric,

The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...

I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.

Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
anyway ...

Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
really shines.

I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?

Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,

Jörg.

On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
> I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[yawg]

Hi Eric,

The M-Audio drivers are buggy as hell. And the M-Audio support for
Macs is non-existent. The Rev. 7.1 card sounds very good anyway IMO.
You just have to fiddle about with the different M-Audio driver
versions. Open up the Apple System Prefs and the M-Audio Revolution
7.1app at the same time and click to and fro ...

I lost my card after a DVD-writer upgrade, no more digital out and had
to click and click, now my card works again and it sounds marvellous
connected to my Cayin DA-2 tube DAC.

Under Tiger the Digital Out of the card's Pref panel just showed the
max. upsampling rate which my DAC can't even use but it worked
anyway ...

Don't give up. The hardware is excellent. If it finds its way through
the labyrinth of the stupid M-Audio programmers' buggy software it
really shines.

I'm listening to the Rev. 7.1 under Panther at the moment, connected
to my trusty Cayin DAC, souped up with vintage Siemens/Halske CCa
tubes, fed into the fabulous vintage Pütz P2 preamp which feeds my
gorgeous vintage Esoteric Audio Research 549 power monos, souped up
with vintage Telefunken ECC85's and General Electric 5751 military
triple mica black plates from the 50s. Total bliss, get my drift?

Success! Kind regards from the Netherlands,

Jörg.

On Feb 3, 5:13 am, Eric Volker  wrote:
> I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS
> 10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop
> audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had
> problems with M-Audio drivers.
>
> I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.
>
> Eric
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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[Eric Volker]

On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> I have a dual 2.3 GHz G5 and it's been a slight pain with the PCI
> slots. I too was unsure of what they are, and figuring it out was the
> biggest pain. I'm confident they're called "PCI-X" which means "PCI
> eXtended", they're basically like normal PCI slots with an "eXended"
> section beyond the standard length. The newer Macs have "PCI-e" which
> are sometimes also referred to (incorrectly) as PCIx or PCI-X or PCIe
> which means "PCI Express". These come in a variety of lengths and are
> totally different than standard PCI slots.
>
> PCI-X are extended 64-bit slots that are keyed 3.3v only. This rules
> out all 5v standard PCI cards, but any 3.3v or universal PCI card will
> work, in addition to all PCI-X cards (kinda rare). Just today I needed
> a couple more USB ports and thought I'd stick a standard PCI 1394/USB2
> combo card into my G5, but no, it was keyed 5v. I looked on eBay and
> most PCI cards sold now are universal (meaning they have both 5v and
> 3.3v keyways and auto adjust). I've used numerous other standard PCI
> cards in my G5, as well as several PCI-X cards, and todays combo card
> was the first 5v only card I've encountered that wouldn't work.


Well, Kris it looks like you're right. I would've sworn that no 1.8 G5  
came with PCI-X. I thought that the extra long slots were just 64-bit  
PCI slots (like the old 64-bit slot on the Yikes.) But it appears that  
my early rev dual 1.8 does indeed have PCI-X. Like a solution looking  
for a problem, it makes me wonder what PCI-X cards are available for a  
Powermac.

Eric


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Re: Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Eric Volker wrote:

> I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't
> keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V
> card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can
> anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac
> (rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.

I have a dual 2.3 GHz G5 and it's been a slight pain with the PCI  
slots. I too was unsure of what they are, and figuring it out was the  
biggest pain. I'm confident they're called "PCI-X" which means "PCI  
eXtended", they're basically like normal PCI slots with an "eXended"  
section beyond the standard length. The newer Macs have "PCI-e" which  
are sometimes also referred to (incorrectly) as PCIx or PCI-X or PCIe  
which means "PCI Express". These come in a variety of lengths and are  
totally different than standard PCI slots.

PCI-X are extended 64-bit slots that are keyed 3.3v only. This rules  
out all 5v standard PCI cards, but any 3.3v or universal PCI card will  
work, in addition to all PCI-X cards (kinda rare). Just today I needed  
a couple more USB ports and thought I'd stick a standard PCI 1394/USB2  
combo card into my G5, but no, it was keyed 5v. I looked on eBay and  
most PCI cards sold now are universal (meaning they have both 5v and  
3.3v keyways and auto adjust). I've used numerous other standard PCI  
cards in my G5, as well as several PCI-X cards, and todays combo card  
was the first 5v only card I've encountered that wouldn't work.


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Problem with M-Audio Revolution 7.1

[Eric Volker]

I recently tried using a M-Audio Revolution in my dual 1.8 G5 (OS  
10.5.6.) It mostly worked, but would occasionally distort or drop  
audio - just not acceptable for daily use. Has anyone else here had  
problems with M-Audio drivers.

I also tried getting a Delta 410 into my G5, but the slots weren't  
keyed properly. As far as I can tell, it's because the Delta is a 5V  
card, whereas the Powermac G5 is keyed to accept only 3.3V cards. Can  
anyone here verify that? I believe I have a PCI rev 2.3 Powermac  
(rather than PCI-X), but I'm not 100% sure.

Eric

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI

[Eric Volker]

On Sep 28, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Dana Collins wrote:

>
> On 9/28/08 10:05 PM, Eric Volker of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent
>
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with this card? It worked great in my
>> old Quicksilver, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it on my
>> Powermac G5. At first I loaded Leopard on that machine, but I got
>> squeals and clicks out of it, and sometimes the audio would get
>> completely garbled. Apparently the driver is only certified for Tiger
>> (whatever that means), so I installed Tiger on a secondary hard  
>> drive,
>> and ended up with the same problem. When it works, the audio sounds
>> fantastic, but those glitches I mention make it almost unusable. I do
>> recall some problems with multiprocessor machines, which could still
>> be true I suppose.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>
> Hi Eric,
> Out of curiosity, which G5 do you have? If you have a June 2004 model
> (2.0GHz CPU) or later, you would be dealing with PCI-X slots  
> instead of the
> older PCI slots in the G4. I am not sure I that matters, but would  
> not be
> surprised if it did.
> Best regards,
> Dana
>
Dana-

The model I have is the June/Late 2004 model, with dual 1.8GHz  
processors. I'm fairly sure that means that I've got PCI slots,  
though they're the long 64-bit slots.

Thanks,

Eric

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M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI

[Eric Volker]

Does anyone have any experience with this card? It worked great in my  
old Quicksilver, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it on my  
Powermac G5. At first I loaded Leopard on that machine, but I got  
squeals and clicks out of it, and sometimes the audio would get  
completely garbled. Apparently the driver is only certified for Tiger  
(whatever that means), so I installed Tiger on a secondary hard drive,  
and ended up with the same problem. When it works, the audio sounds  
fantastic, but those glitches I mention make it almost unusable. I do  
recall some problems with multiprocessor machines, which could still  
be true I suppose.

Thanks,

Eric

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Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI

[Dana Collins]

On 9/28/08 10:05 PM, Eric Volker of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent

> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this card? It worked great in my
> old Quicksilver, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it on my
> Powermac G5. At first I loaded Leopard on that machine, but I got
> squeals and clicks out of it, and sometimes the audio would get
> completely garbled. Apparently the driver is only certified for Tiger
> (whatever that means), so I installed Tiger on a secondary hard drive,
> and ended up with the same problem. When it works, the audio sounds
> fantastic, but those glitches I mention make it almost unusable. I do
> recall some problems with multiprocessor machines, which could still
> be true I suppose.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric

Hi Eric,
Out of curiosity, which G5 do you have? If you have a June 2004 model
(2.0GHz CPU) or later, you would be dealing with PCI-X slots instead of the
older PCI slots in the G4. I am not sure I that matters, but would not be
surprised if it did.
Best regards,
Dana



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