Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Hi Eleanor, Thank you very much for responding to my question. The only thing is, my games are all self voicing via the free Microsoft text to speech engine or recorded speech so do not require Jaws or any other screen reader. Thanks again and BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Hi Mike, Thank you very much. I had thought that I had heard that my games would run. I will pass on what you said. Thanks again and BFN Jim What do you mean, a bit shy of a byte? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Hi Valiant8086, Thanks, they said that they ran the WinKit.zip setup so it isn't the VB6 librarys. I will tell them what Mike said about the UAC. The only other thing that I can think of is DirectX. Thanks again. BFN Jim In the computer world, every little bit helps. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Registration methods
Hi Dark, In a nutshell that's what my white paper tries to point out. A lot of companies Microsoft and Freedom Scientific included have payment plans and marketing strategies that are extremely exploytive in the first place and instead of trying to work with their customers, make the software affordable for their respective customers, they turn around and spend lots of money on very restrictive hardware licenses that harm the customer more than the pirates. I have a friend up in Canida who got a new dongle for Jaws and the dongle didn't work from day one. Jaws failed to recognize it, and several technical support calls later Freedom Scientific said he'd have to pay for a new one. You got it. Instead of giving him a new one they wanted something like $50 to send him a new one even though he had just paid for the new dongle, and it didn't work from the day he got it. So I wouldn't exactly blame him if he went online and grabbed a crack for Jaws and just turned the Jaws authorization system off completely. However, he went ahead and paid for the dongle replacement,and that time it worked. Still he was screaming mad about it, and felt he had been screwed by Freedom Scientific. I definitely don't blame him for feeling that way. The thing is these major corperations don't realise that they are themselves in part to blame for software piracy. They charge too much for the software, use unfair marketing tactics, and then make matters worse by using very restrictive hardware licenses that harm the customers more than the pirates. Taken from that view I have very little sympathy for the major corperation who has their expensive, over priced, software pirated. On the flip side some companies such as Goldwave Inc. ar very fair to their customers. The software is priced at something like $50 or $60 which is reasonably priced for someone on a fixed or low income. Plus they use a very simple licensing system and it is fine with me. Sure there are plenty of people out there cracking it too, and I do feel sympathy for them because they put their trust in the customers by giving them a simple and not very strong licensing system. One designed to keep the honest customer honest in other words. However, this does come back to the fundimental question does piracy really harm the company? One way of looking at it is that generally speaking a pirate is someone who would not legally purchase the software anyway. either they don't have the money or they just like using software for free. Whatever his/her motivations for using a pirated version of the software is if they aren't going to buy it to begin with you haven't lost any money on the sale of the software, because the pirate isn't going to buy it in the first place. So you haven't lost any money to speak of yet. The other way of looking at this is if a pirate likes your software well enough to crack it it must be something very good for him/her to put the effort into cracking it. That's cold comfort, of course, but it does mean the software is something desirable. Something people want to own and maybe we should take that as a compliment instead of an outright insult. It is always possible, I suppose, the cracker/pirate will have a change of heart and pay for a legal copy somewhere down the road. The one thing I haven't mentioned, but is also true, is the open source movement. Most of the folks in the open source movement etc are people who have grown tired of the commercialism of big name companies like Microsoft and have set out independantly to create free and low cost versions of commercial products. Open Office, for example, is a free clone of Microsoft Office available for Windows, Mac, and Linux. NVDA is a free screen reader for Windows. the list goes on. All of those sorts of projects were started by programmers unwilling to continue paying for expensive software, and dealing with restrictive licenses etc. Major companies need to sit up and take notice that independant developers will happily create a similar product and make it available for less than the going rate of the commercial product it was based on. On 6/18/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. interesting stuff indeed, my brother had a distinctly similar issue with one of the earlier versions of windows, though sinse Dolphin provided his laptop originaly which subsequently blew up shortly after use, they were kind enough to replace it. I do approve of the system employed in Moti even if it isn't secure, sinse it does mean i can have my copy of monti with all installed levels stil available, even though the machine I bought it for is no longer around. in the end I supioose your simply relying on a belief in the integrity of your customers. I myself will freely pay, --- or in several cases donate, to something if I think it is worthwhile. Certainly not everyone will do this, but hopefully enouygh people will to make the software a viable proposition. i will confess that I
Re: [Audyssey] pigion panick
HI Dark, Oh, absolutely. That's the primary purpose of the USA Games free games section. It mainly is there to insure that old free games don't get lost and plus works as a central place to find free accessible games for the blind. As a result I have put considerable time and effort in digging up as many free games as I can to put on the website. On 6/17/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Okay tom, that deffinately sounds like a good idea. In fact, having someone keep hold of and host these things is great, sinse obviously the last thing we want is for them to be lost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Final Conflict and Treck 2000
Hi, Yeah, certainly would be interesting. Unfortunately, playing as the Borg would make you nearly invincible. If you played as theBorg in the battle of Wolf-359 you would carve the Federation fleet up as easily as carving up a roast. Not exactly fair odds there. Lol! I am Locutus a Borg. From this time forward your life as you have known it is over. You will lower your shields and escort us to Sector-001. Resistance is futile. On 6/17/10, shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz wrote: yeah me being the borg. that would rock. actually being 8472 would also rock they even clock the borg though I have not seen much sfx for those. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Well obviously it is a matter of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. We contacted them when we couldn't get JAWS to work on the 64 bit system and were told by customer service that they knew about the problem and didn't know when it would be fixed. So they must have gotten a fix out in JAWS 11. But when that was, who knows, since we contacted them in March I believe. Oh well. live and learn Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Registration methods
Hi Tom. The only problem with taking ideas of free and open source projects too far is the business of components, sinse while a lot can be done for free, certain programs, games included often require the programmer to perchice libraries, sound effects packs music and the like in order to make them viable, and in that case it does indeed seem rather unfair that the developer has to fund all of that themselves. Oncemore, it comes down to everybody being reasonable, sinse if the developer charges a reasonable price, most people who want the software will probably buy it and thus support the project and it's future developement. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Registration methods
Hi Dark, Very true. A lot of open source projects have been stopped in their tracks for that very reason. Simply that licensing something like mp3 rights would cost the developer x amount of money out of pocket and therefore is incompatible with a free and open source product. Same goes for sounds and music. If you buy it the purchase of the license would come out of the developer's pocket, and the distribution of the same isn't compatible with an open source type license either. However, that's not really what I was getting at in my prier post. I merely wanted to point out that several commercial products suchas screen readers, office programs, e-mail clients, web browsers, etc have been duplicated by open source developers and in many cases are just as good as their commercial counterparts. That gives those on a fixed income something else to consider before buying a commercial product or pirating it. That has to hurt the companies on some level as it is hard to justify paying $450 for Microsoft Office when Open Office is free, and in many cases works just as well I haven't used the Windows version of Open Office much since it has accessibility issues that need to be addressed, but the version for Linux works fine with Orca. . On 6/18/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. The only problem with taking ideas of free and open source projects too far is the business of components, sinse while a lot can be done for free, certain programs, games included often require the programmer to perchice libraries, sound effects packs music and the like in order to make them viable, and in that case it does indeed seem rather unfair that the developer has to fund all of that themselves. Oncemore, it comes down to everybody being reasonable, sinse if the developer charges a reasonable price, most people who want the software will probably buy it and thus support the project and it's future developement. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Hi Eleanor, Sure sounds like it. Although, I am not too surprised. The tech support at Freedom Scientific doesnt' strike me as very competent. It is very possible the tech support person you talked to on the phone was out of the loop. On 6/19/10, Eleanor elea...@7128.com wrote: Well obviously it is a matter of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. We contacted them when we couldn't get JAWS to work on the 64 bit system and were told by customer service that they knew about the problem and didn't know when it would be fixed. So they must have gotten a fix out in JAWS 11. But when that was, who knows, since we contacted them in March I believe. Oh well. live and learn Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
And I think it tells you if you could install it if you have a download of the setup. If you can't or if you can. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer Hi, What Freedom Scientific did was to make two version of JAWS, a 32 bit and 64 bit version. If you have the DVD, it automatically infers which one you have and installs the appropriate version of JAWS. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Mike Maslo Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:40 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer This is so untrue. Jaws works fine with 64 bit computers. As a matter of fact I am running windows 7 64 bit right now with jaws 11. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Eleanor Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:03 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer Jim - if someone is trying to use JAWS with the 64 bit computer it does not work. They have been informed that people have been unable to use JAWS with 64 bit computers and have not indicated when they planned to address the problem. I don't know if there are problems with the games themselves, but I do know about the problems with the screen reader. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Hi Mike, Valiant8086 and Eleanor, Tim now has my games running on his girlfriends 64 bit computer. Again thank you all for helping. TGIF and BFN Jim So what if I'm a bit behind. I like the view from here. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Actually, it's the combination of JAWS and applications written in Java that does not work on a 64-bit Windows (either Vista or Seven) machine, not JAWS itself. According to posts on the Web, this appears to be because in 64-bit Windows JAWS does not look in the correct directory for the main Java Access Bridge DLL. I've confirmed this personally using JAWS 11 on one of our 64-bit Windows 7 PCs. I've also confirmed this with Peter Korn, lead Java accessibility guy at Oracle (nee Sun). Also, John Oliviera, head of our Massachusetts Council for the Blind, confirmed this. He told me that Freedom Scientific wants someone else, presumably an outside company, to pay for the fix. I'd contacted John and a number of influential people in the blind community about this. Not because of our games. They self-voice. But because more business applications are written in Java than in any other language. And an increasing number of business PCs are going to be upgraded over time. Often without much notice to the employee. When they are, very likely they will have 64-bit Windows. So you come to work and Voila! You can't do your job. It's a serious issue and I thought that someone with influence should yarp about it. However, given this new information about there being a 64-bit specific JAWS, I'll personally investigate this. Though I suspect that the results will be the same. JAWS will still not work with apps coded in Java that are running on 64-bit Windows. BTW. The latest NVDA works fine with Java apps on 64-bit Windows. I tried it myself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] 64 bit computer
Hi john, Thanks for the clarification. Now, that makes sense. It also sucks that Jaws has problems with Java appps on 64-byt Windows versions. As you pointed out Java is heavily used in the business world, and a lot of report generators, database frontends, etc are constructed in Java. It would be a major accessibility setback if Jaws were not able to access these apps on 64-byt Windows versions which eventually will be the standard in the next few years. Though, I am happy to know the open source community, the creators of NVDA, have got their act together. Smile. On 6/18/10, John Bannick jbann...@7128.com wrote: Actually, it's the combination of JAWS and applications written in Java that does not work on a 64-bit Windows (either Vista or Seven) machine, not JAWS itself. According to posts on the Web, this appears to be because in 64-bit Windows JAWS does not look in the correct directory for the main Java Access Bridge DLL. I've confirmed this personally using JAWS 11 on one of our 64-bit Windows 7 PCs. I've also confirmed this with Peter Korn, lead Java accessibility guy at Oracle (nee Sun). Also, John Oliviera, head of our Massachusetts Council for the Blind, confirmed this. He told me that Freedom Scientific wants someone else, presumably an outside company, to pay for the fix. I'd contacted John and a number of influential people in the blind community about this. Not because of our games. They self-voice. But because more business applications are written in Java than in any other language. And an increasing number of business PCs are going to be upgraded over time. Often without much notice to the employee. When they are, very likely they will have 64-bit Windows. So you come to work and Voila! You can't do your job. It's a serious issue and I thought that someone with influence should yarp about it. However, given this new information about there being a 64-bit specific JAWS, I'll personally investigate this. Though I suspect that the results will be the same. JAWS will still not work with apps coded in Java that are running on 64-bit Windows. BTW. The latest NVDA works fine with Java apps on 64-bit Windows. I tried it myself. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
