Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Thanks also would anyone also know of a few good muds I should try. Any kind would be nice. On 12/20/13, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, if you know the server address and port, just go to add new and enter the detales and the mud should appeare in the list. -Original Message- From: lenron brown Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:04 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds is it possible to play muds that or not listed in vip mud On 12/19/13, Shannon Dyer solsticesin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. I've visited www.mudconnector.com and have seen several listings for Harry Potter-themed muds. However, none of them seems workable. When I try to log onto any of them, I get a blank screen. So, can anyone recommend a good Harry Potter mud? If so, can you provide the connection info, as what's listed online doesn't seem to be working. Thanks in advance. Shannon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Hi Charles, I guess you said it yourself. You are a purest and are taking the term wrestling too literally here. You are trying to compare pro wrestling to another sport like football, basketball, bowling, etc when that really is comparing two totally different things and trying to say they should be equal. What I mean by that is pro wrestling is not really a true sport in the way something like football or baseball is because all of the matches are fixed and scripted by the company to work into a larger storyline. I think most pro wrestling fans are aware by now that many of the matches are rehearsed and the winner is decided upon days possibly weeks before the match is televised on TV. For that reason it is not a true sport because it is purely for entertainment and there is no real competition in it. Therefore it doesn't matter if people cheat or not because it was all scripted before hand. When you talk about bowling, basketball, baseball, whatever that is a totally different situation. All of the games are about real honest open competition between two teams. Therefore cheating does matter because it is not contrived for the audiences benefit and cheating really would be cheating in those sports. So to get to the point if pro wrestling was really about competition then I'd agree with you that cheating and people busting up furniture should not be allowed, but it is not actually a sport. Everything you see on TNA Impact, WWE Raw, WWE Smackdown, whatever is less about competition than artistic stunt work as you pointed out in an earlier message. If that is not wrestling in your opinion fine, but I believe most fans of pro wrestling would tend to disagree with you as there currently is no other term to describe it right now. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Hello! I am a person that doesn't usually play MUD'S, so I'm not sure if you'll get good advice from me, but there is one MUD, just one, that I like playing. The server is, ifmud.port4000.com If you don't want to create an account right away, you can type guest for the username, guest for the password, or connect guest guest would be the command in a command line-based MUD client. It's mostly a chatsite and less a MUD, but there is a toyshop you can use things in, there is a subdimensional world, if you get beaten up by Mike Tyson in one of the levels, you die, and you can will yourself back to life with the life command, or check out heaven and hell. Some scenes are funny, some dramatic, and some very one-dimensional. But I like it. Not as much as I used to, because I've seen most of IFMUD, but for those with accounts, it's like social networking. And it's a real treat for people in the text adventure game scene; that's why it's called IFMUD; Interactive Fiction MUD. Tyler Z On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:02:25 -0600, lenron brown wrote: Thanks also would anyone also know of a few good muds I should try. Any kind would be nice. On 12/20/13, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, if you know the server address and port, just go to add new and enter the detales and the mud should appeare in the list. -Original Message- From: lenron brown Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:04 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds is it possible to play muds that or not listed in vip mud On 12/19/13, Shannon Dyer solsticesin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. I've visited www.mudconnector.com and have seen several listings for Harry Potter-themed muds. However, none of them seems workable. When I try to log onto any of them, I get a blank screen. So, can anyone recommend a good Harry Potter mud? If so, can you provide the connection info, as what's listed online doesn't seem to be working. Thanks in advance. Shannon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Charles, If we were talking about financially speaking I would be in a much worse situation, but I think we know by now developing audio games is not and never has been about the money for me. I primarily write games for myself first and for the community second. So from that perspective writing games for a more modern operating system has its advantages for me personally because everything I write will be compatible with what I am using and is made according to the specifications I want or need at the time. It makes little sense to write something for an operating system that I will never use or support myself unless I am solely interested in the money which I am not. Besides I think your logic is a bit flawed. You said that a lot of gamers can not take advantage of more modern tools and operating systems. I believe it is more a case of won't than can't. I have seen my fair share of inexpensive computers under $300 with Windows 7 on them, and I know that many people on SSI should be able to save up and afford that if they wanted to. Many don't want to so won't upgrade rather than can't upgrade/. At least that is just my opinion. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If you can take advantage of more modern tools to develop games, but a lot of gamers cannot, where does that leave you? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
I periodically watch pro wrestling cards with friends of mine who are fans and have written pro wrestling columns. We talk a lot more about the stories than we do about the wrestling moves. We all like tNA best these days, because its storylines seem more creative. Teresa, whose favorite is mi-i-i-i-i-isterrr An der sonnn (and who'd better stop now before this thread wanders even further astray.) :) Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal On Fri, 20 Dec 2013, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, I guess you said it yourself. You are a purest and are taking the term wrestling too literally here. You are trying to compare pro wrestling to another sport like football, basketball, bowling, etc when that really is comparing two totally different things and trying to say they should be equal. What I mean by that is pro wrestling is not really a true sport in the way something like football or baseball is because all of the matches are fixed and scripted by the company to work into a larger storyline. I think most pro wrestling fans are aware by now that many of the matches are rehearsed and the winner is decided upon days possibly weeks before the match is televised on TV. For that reason it is not a true sport because it is purely for entertainment and there is no real competition in it. Therefore it doesn't matter if people cheat or not because it was all scripted before hand. When you talk about bowling, basketball, baseball, whatever that is a totally different situation. All of the games are about real honest open competition between two teams. Therefore cheating does matter because it is not contrived for the audiences benefit and cheating really would be cheating in those sports. So to get to the point if pro wrestling was really about competition then I'd agree with you that cheating and people busting up furniture should not be allowed, but it is not actually a sport. Everything you see on TNA Impact, WWE Raw, WWE Smackdown, whatever is less about competition than artistic stunt work as you pointed out in an earlier message. If that is not wrestling in your opinion fine, but I believe most fans of pro wrestling would tend to disagree with you as there currently is no other term to describe it right now. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dark, Well, I don't know what else I can say that hasn't already been said a hundred times over. Clearly we have reached a point in the discussion where nothing I say or do will sway you from your opinion, and nothing you say will remotely change my mind either. So we will simply have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. The problem seems to me is how you and I see things. You only look at this situation from the point of view of an end user who does not know or really care what technical issues are involved just as long as it works the way you want it too. I am a software engineer and know and care about the technical issues so am willing to accept that something can't be done or such an expectation is unrealistic given the circumstances. For example, you mentioned that XP supports old Dos games from twenty or more years ago. That is true but it is not just Windows XP that is required for this support. The 32-bit processors were designed to be backwards compatible with 16-bit software from twenty years or so ago. Now days the new processors from Intel and AMD will only support 32-bit and 64-bit applications meaning anything prior to the 32-bit era is defunked in terms of native applications. That does not mean, however, that you can not run Dos apps on Windows 8/. There is Dosbox which will run any 8-bit and 16-bit game or application in Windows 8. Microsoft does not need to add 16-bit support for older Dos apps because it already exists in a third-party application. The fact that Dosbox is not accessible is of no concern to Microsoft. It is only of concern to you and I because we are effected by the problem. If someone made an accessible Dos emulator I am certain your feelings would change because you could have your cake and eat it too in regards to backwards compatibility. Whatever the case it seems to me that our difference opinion has to do with our understanding of the technical issues involved. For you it is all about the benefits, the results, and please don't confuse you with the technical issues. For me I see things as a software engineer and while I obviously care about the benefits too I also understand why something can not be done or at least is not practical from a financial or technical point of view. I do not believe just because something can be done that is necessarily in Microsoft's best interests. Cheers! On 12/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. to be honest I don't agree with you about microsoft simply because of the money involved. on xp I can run programs for dos written in qbasic, C and goodness knows what from 20 years ago. That is a huge corpus of material. Up to xp microsoft had a care for all that legacy support which is why I can download copies of even something like the dos version of hunt the wumpus from 1978 and run it. You could write a program in basic and it'd be fine on xp today, just as was the original plan for Eamon deluxe. With post xp windows however microsoft are following a model of upgrade or else to both devs and users alike, and no, I don't accept the arguement that microsoft couldn't include this support indeed the fact that they've seen the light with respect to vb6 shows that they could and were just being money grubbing with their phase out, (you yourself admit the price for all the vb net stuff). With games, well it's not just the case of running or not running so much as capabilities. A developer like Jim kitchin who has worked in vb6 for years, well what bennifits are there to him to running vb net other than the extra harrassment caused by microsoft and the need to buy new vb net tools. Also, would Jim Kitchin's games be any better for using vb net or another programming language than using vb 6? I don't kow, not being a programmer but that is also a question which needs answering. Ultimately it comes down as I said to bennifits. Whichever way you cut the cookie upgrading is a hassle, and a hassle which microsoft have only made worse with their buggered up interface and lack of compatibility, a fact which I'm glad to see they are at least recognizing with their including of vb6 support (I've heard lots of stories of things not working on windows 8 so it's good that microsoft are finally seeing some sense at least). To your stand off question well to be honest as I said if microsoft had done a better job with windows 7 we wouldn't be having this conversation. Maybe windows 8, maybe windows 9, maybe a future version will be better. I'm confident enough myself that something better than xp will! come along in the future which will make myself and others change, but until then well if people keep using xp and developers keep writing for it, what is so wrong with that? it's like laser disks and dvds. Back in the mid 1990's, I knew someone who had bought a new laser disk system. He claimed the video and sound were better, and all the technical bits were there
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Dallas, I'm right with you there. A lot of companies, particular the mainstream, release a product, say here is the specs to run it, take it or leave it. Not a lot of accessible software developers are willing to be that harsh, but maybe they should. If more accessible developers took a more mainstream approach to marketing less blind users would be so complacent about upgrades as they would have to make the same sort of choices their sighted peers do about upgrades. The way I see it as long as developers continue to write stuff in Visual Basic 6, continue to support XP, the blind users see no benefit in upgrading. Plus by doing so the accessible software developers are holding the community back. What they need to do is take advantage of newer technology and make those benefits to upgrading appear so more people will feel like upgrading is a worthwhile investment. I believe once there is a real benefit to upgrading the community will follow the developers' lead. However, until developers give them an advantage in upgrading most blind gamers won't. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a game, and say here you go, here are the requirements. its up to you how you deal with that. if a game dev brings out a game that takes advantage of newer hardware / newer software, I'm afraid it's up to the gamer to update and keep with it. they have done that for a long time now. and you don't seem to hear the complaints as much from them about it. sorry, but I think it's time the blind community starts trying to keep up, in stead of holding ourselves back, and then blaming Microsoft or apple or who ever, for all the things they have done wrong. sure. there are things that Microsoft messed up in windows 8. they fixed some of those in windows 8.1, and will soon be fixing more in the next version of windows, either next year, or in 2015. they admit they have made some mistakes, and are going about fixing that. but I'm afraid to say, that as time go's on, it will be harder and harder to support ancient languages and software based on them. it's not because they don't want to, but simply because the cost involved in doing so, is huge. I mean, come on. people are complaining about windows costing what it does now! imagine what they would say, if Microsoft turned around and said, well, we are going to have to charge an extra 50, or 100 dollars per licence, just to keep up support for 10 or 15 year old software and languages. I don't think that would go over well. and not being funny, but one of apples good sides, is that they don't do this. they say, right, here is the new system. this is what it uses. get used to it, or don't use our product. LOL. harsh, but in some ways, they have the right idea. just like they did with 64 bit. in stead of messing around having both 64 and 32 running on the same operating system in effect, as windows does now, they basically switched to pure 64 bit, and said, well, this is what we will use now. all app developers, update your software. I personally think windows should go all out 64 bit, and stop messing around. 64 bit is faster, and lets you actually use all your ram, in stead of only part of it. ahaha. even in XP, if you had 4 GB, you could never use it all! you could only use about 2 GB at any one time. how annoying! and programs running as a proper 64 bit app, are amazingly fast and smooth to work with. course, the only reason they haven't gotten rid of 32 bit, is cause most of the dev's still produce in nothing but 32 bit app's! such as mozilla, for one! they refuse to bring out a 64 bit version of their firefox or thunderbird! which is stupid, considering the security advantages 64 bit gives you. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update
I have everything of yours from ace fire dectalk scripter, timer, chopper challenge river raders. Every music you ever written. I think one day I was so board I viewed your source, found where you had your little movies and other audios, logos for each page and got them. your random sound schemes I think I have your cm decompiler I have 217mb worth of your old music and sound effects about 135 files in all. It would be good to just put your old stuff somewhere for a laugh. At 04:04 AM 12/19/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, To be honest I've deleted a lot of my older stuff. It would be fun to take a trip down memory lane and see exactly what you have got in the way of older material, even if it's for a laugh to see what a crackpot I was ten years ago. The nearest I have now is the Acefire II released in 2008. Wow, that sounds like forever ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday! To be honest, I'm sad X-Sight has had to go, but the other thing was, there's very little I can really say I'm proud of. A good 50% of my programming team were mediocre, at least at the time, and I can't exactly credit myself as an expert either, even now, hence the reason I got a lot of backlash. As I said before, there is also the fact that given the possibility I could have produced a large enough game to meet the ever growing competition, it would have required sounds, actors and music that I don't personally have the money for. So although it's saddening, maybe it's the best all around. Kind regards, Damien C.S. Pendleton. -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] X-Sight Interactive Update Well if it helps I still have all your sounds and old audio from ages back. I use your old timer program as part of my training for timing various things. Its really not that flashy but gets the job done and I have found nothing better than it. I do hope there will be a place where we can get your old free projects and audio from and anything new you may make in the future. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
I agree dark. a simular discussion is going on the nvda list. I have 7 but a lot of the games that are for the blind are old. I have used xp for ages, and it still works. 7 is a good system as far as its better than vista. 8 though I don't know its ok but there are som many visual things now. And who needs all the extra cloud services anyway. So much is focused on touch. Yeah touch is good but the blind never needed to use it before and I see no reason why we should even do so. We don't need the extra stuff. back in the day dos with the blind persons os. Now its xp. and still is to a major extent xp. I have 7 which is the last so called desktop os, and well who knows. Linux is starting to look attractive except I have spent so much cash on windows apps I will need something to run windows like a vm in which case I may as well continue running windows. I have no doubt that there will be another system a system which is better than xp, better than 7 better than 8. I do think though that we need some interface for windows that is like the old os, desktop, internet explorer, start menus and the like. We never needed all the extras for ages and I recon we still don't. I hate to say this, but it may be time to retreat into devices designed for the blind and bugger the sighted. I never thought I'd do a reversal like this but its almost like the entire world of software is going against us. We fight back and continue but there is a point when I do wander what would have happened if I had never gone. At 05:58 AM 12/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom. to be honest I don't agree with you about microsoft simply because of the money involved. on xp I can run programs for dos written in qbasic, C and goodness knows what from 20 years ago. That is a huge corpus of material. Up to xp microsoft had a care for all that legacy support which is why I can download copies of even something like the dos version of hunt the wumpus from 1978 and run it. You could write a program in basic and it'd be fine on xp today, just as was the original plan for Eamon deluxe. With post xp windows however microsoft are following a model of upgrade or else to both devs and users alike, and no, I don't accept the arguement that microsoft couldn't include this support indeed the fact that they've seen the light with respect to vb6 shows that they could and were just being money grubbing with their phase out, (you yourself admit the price for all the vb net stuff). With games, well it's not just the case of running or not running so much as capabilities. A developer like Jim kitchin who has worked in vb6 for years, well what bennifits are there to him to running vb net other than the extra harrassment caused by microsoft and the need to buy new vb net tools. Also, would Jim Kitchin's games be any better for using vb net or another programming language than using vb 6? I don't kow, not being a programmer but that is also a question which needs answering. Ultimately it comes down as I said to bennifits. Whichever way you cut the cookie upgrading is a hassle, and a hassle which microsoft have only made worse with their buggered up interface and lack of compatibility, a fact which I'm glad to see they are at least recognizing with their including of vb6 support (I've heard lots of stories of things not working on windows 8 so it's good that microsoft are finally seeing some sense at least). To your stand off question well to be honest as I said if microsoft had done a better job with windows 7 we wouldn't be having this conversation. Maybe windows 8, maybe windows 9, maybe a future version will be better. I'm confident enough myself that something better than xp will! come along in the future which will make myself and others change, but until then well if people keep using xp and developers keep writing for it, what is so wrong with that? it's like laser disks and dvds. Back in the mid 1990's, I knew someone who had bought a new laser disk system. He claimed the video and sound were better, and all the technical bits were there and asked why I and other still used video. We said we used video becuase there were still more good films on video to watch than laserdisk, even though laserdisk was technically a better format. Of course 10 or so years later, and dvd replaced video, and myself and everyone else got to change our videos for dvds because there are now much better and cheaper films available on dvd than video, and most things that were originally video have been ported to dvd, and laserdisk has fallen by the way side, however had we migrated to laserdisk just because it was technically better we'd have not been any better off now. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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Hi you need to do what you have to do, it's not your fault if people won't upgrade. We've been trying to convince people on our internet site to try to upgrade, if not for anything else, but for the security. Amanda -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi Josh, I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned we aren't going out of our way to drop support for XP, but neither are we going to go out of our way to support it. At some point when we begin adopting newer Windows components and if it isn't XP compatible too bad. As I stated I am already running Windows 8.1 and as lead developer I can take advantage of various new components, modern hardware, and I see no need to cripple my software because x number of gamers won't upgrade. I may take a loss initially, but I am also looking at supporting Mac and perhaps Linux in time which will recoup the losses in sales to XP users. So I am not as concerned about XP support as I might be if I were only looking at the Windows market specifically. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Tom, Your discussion of VB6 was one of the best explanations of the situation I’ve seen on this list. We’re in the process of rewriting old titles to use the new Engine. The old ESP Softworks titles were all VB6. This is going to be an arduous transition, but we’ll get there, and the games will be better than ever when we do. It is unlikely we will continue supporting XP, though. As you stated, we have a Mexican stand off, and we can take this opportunity to move forward since Mac sales are so robust and Windows sales are definitely weaker. Sales of our new Windows titles have not warranted the effort we put into supporting XP. For future titles, if we can support it with minimal effort, we will. When the effort required to maintain support for XP exceeds a certain threshold though, we just can’t justify it. If Windows sales pick up and a lot of users are still using XP down the road, we may revisit the topic. As for those who blame Microsoft for incompatibilities with VB6, it is common for people with these types of views of the world to want to vilify any company once it reaches a certain size for absolutely everything, whether based on facts or not. I have no love for big corporations, either, but I’m also not naive enough to think that every one of them is the equivalent of Lord Voldemort. Remember, Apple is doomed because they use DRM on the music they sell in iTunes. They aren’t, and they don’t, and in fact haven’t had DRM in just about seven years now, but those kinds of knee jerk reactions lead to everything being someone else’s fault. Apple didn’t even have a choice with the DRM situation. The record labels dictated that situation. It’s unfortunate, because for the most part, people who take these kinds of views are hurting themselves more than anyone else. At least until they start spewing misinformation across the Internet. Microsoft surely hasn’t done developers, or themselves for that matter, any favors with a lot of idiotic decisions they’ve made over the last 15 years or so, but not everything is their fault, either. As I have said so often, the world is comprised of shades of gray. It is rarely, if ever, black and white. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
I agree allex. There are people I know in enterprise companies that simply don't update or secure their systems as far as ms goes or with minimal security because of the fact that any update has potentual to stuff something and since time is cash they only update the most critical and even then there is a problem. I don't aggree with ms changing everything all the time though. My idea was to have some sort of interface program with older and newer interfaces but using more powerfull cores. So you could use an ie6 or win xp or even lower interface. You would loose some visual features and such that that inteface would not have, etc. I think that its time for the blind to have some sort of over all os shell we can use that does not matter what system at least in windows we have. I know there is classic shell but I want something more than that. I actually like the way linux does its uac, you have your account and an admin account. any real changes you need to login to that account to do the change. at the same time the only time you need to bother with this is is when you have to modify the system and since most programs are loaded for the home user well. I think a major benifit and major course with ms is that a lot of windows apps rely on a lot of system files. Thats ok because it means that you can really have smaller programs but its not ok because if something crashes or something well you are hosed with system stuff. Also needing all those system files well who knows. At 08:00 AM 12/20/2013, you wrote: Hi, Yes, I would definitely agree that Apple has always handled these transitions very well, much better than Microsoft. I think one reason for this is MS's large number of Enterprise customers. Enterprises tend to migrate to newer technologies extremely slowly, and I think this is holding MS back in many ways. There are several bugs in the Windows API that MS has left in because fixing them would break enterprise deployments of older software. I think Apple's relatively lower success in the enterprise is a good thing, as it allows them to evolve their products much more easily. On 12/19/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Alex, Just adding a bit to your comments. Apples aggressive strategy regarding software upgrades tends to keep their platforms more robust and stable, but comes at the cost of some backward compatibility. That said, though, Apple has also made it extremely easy for developers to keep their software current, regardless of platform. Indeed, migrating from PPC to Intel was a painless transition for the vast majority of developers. Far more trivial than trying to upgrade VB6 apps, even under the best of circumstances. Much has been written, in fact, on just how good Apple has gotten at these kinds of technological transitions, and they get smoother and smoother as the years go by. So far, the major transitions have been: OS Classic to OS X Carbon to Cocoa PPC to Intel 32 bit to 64 bit Intel 32 to 64 bit mobile Im hoping that Microsoft will learn from its mistakes and adopt some similar strategies going forward. On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Dark, I'd just like to point out some misinformation in this post, and some misunderstandings about Mac and iOS. First, you said that iOS apps never have compatibility issues with iOS upgrades. This is definitely not the case. Several apps, including Solara (to bring this somewhat back to games) had some serious bugs running on IOS 7, and some apps were completely unusable until the developers released updates to fix compatibility. Second, if you're looking for an OS that places a high priority on backward compatibility, you're not going to get it from OS X. Apple is much more aggressive about discontinuing old API's and technologies and removing them than even Microsoft is. Allow me to illustrate this. In 2005, Apple switched from using the Power PC processor architecture to the Intel X86/X64 architecture used by Windows PC's. In order to provide backward-compatibility for PowerPC applications, Apple included a PpC emulator called Rosetta. The last PPC-compatible OS X version was 10.5, released in 2007. Version 10.6, released in 2009, was not compatible with PowerPC hardware, but stil supported Rosetta. However, the next version, released in 2011, removed Rosetta support. Let's say that, for example, BSC Games had written their software for Mac instead of Windows. If I'm not mistaken, Pipe 2 was last updated in February 2005, a few months before Apple announced the Intel transition. Within just six years, you would no longer be able to run the game on newer versions of the OS. You could just refuse to update to a newer OS, but once your machine broke, you'd have no choice but to hunt down parts on eBay or be forced to stop using any incompatible software. On 12/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom I
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well personally once ms gets it right I just hope they stay right. they got it right with xp. some what with 7 after that its if you like it then fine but if not well. At 08:50 AM 12/20/2013, you wrote: Well Dallas, your supposition doesnt hold up to much scrutiny, since Apple has, and does, major transitions on iOS all the time, and there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 to 700 million iOS devices in use. A much more key difference is that, with Apple products, the hardware and software are integrated in such a way as to vastly improve reliability and cut down on the infinity numbers of configurations and complexity we see in PCs. Makers of game consoles also use an integrated strategy, and we are seeing it adopted by more and more electronics companies, because it simply works, and provides users with a superior experience. Microsoft is slowly dabbling with integrated products, first with the restrictions on Windows Phone hardware and then by producing the Surface RT and Surface Pro. They have, of course, done this for quite some time with Xbox. So the sheer number of users really has little to do with it. Its simply that Apple has historically done this better. On Dec 19, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: hi, it's not only that, but simply because apple's user base is actually nothing, when it comes to a number situation. they have all of about 50 to 70 million users on mac, not all of which are up to date, but more then not. then Microsoft, has over 1.5 billion! users in windows. they have more people to please then apple. apple can get away with jumping to something different in an instant, cause half the world doesn't rely on them. where as for Microsoft, 95 percent of the entire computing world rely's on them. lol. that's a lot of responsibility. Dallas On 20/12/2013, Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I would definitely agree that Apple has always handled these transitions very well, much better than Microsoft. I think one reason for this is MS's large number of Enterprise customers. Enterprises tend to migrate to newer technologies extremely slowly, and I think this is holding MS back in many ways. There are several bugs in the Windows API that MS has left in because fixing them would break enterprise deployments of older software. I think Apple's relatively lower success in the enterprise is a good thing, as it allows them to evolve their products much more easily. On 12/19/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Alex, Just adding a bit to your comments. Apples aggressive strategy regarding software upgrades tends to keep their platforms more robust and stable, but comes at the cost of some backward compatibility. That said, though, Apple has also made it extremely easy for developers to keep their software current, regardless of platform. Indeed, migrating from PPC to Intel was a painless transition for the vast majority of developers. Far more trivial than trying to upgrade VB6 apps, even under the best of circumstances. Much has been written, in fact, on just how good Apple has gotten at these kinds of technological transitions, and they get smoother and smoother as the years go by. So far, the major transitions have been: OS Classic to OS X Carbon to Cocoa PPC to Intel 32 bit to 64 bit Intel 32 to 64 bit mobile Im hoping that Microsoft will learn from its mistakes and adopt some similar strategies going forward. On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Dark, I'd just like to point out some misinformation in this post, and some misunderstandings about Mac and iOS. First, you said that iOS apps never have compatibility issues with iOS upgrades. This is definitely not the case. Several apps, including Solara (to bring this somewhat back to games) had some serious bugs running on IOS 7, and some apps were completely unusable until the developers released updates to fix compatibility. Second, if you're looking for an OS that places a high priority on backward compatibility, you're not going to get it from OS X. Apple is much more aggressive about discontinuing old API's and technologies and removing them than even Microsoft is. Allow me to illustrate this. In 2005, Apple switched from using the Power PC processor architecture to the Intel X86/X64 architecture used by Windows PC's. In order to provide backward-compatibility for PowerPC applications, Apple included a PpC emulator called Rosetta. The last PPC-compatible OS X version was 10.5, released in 2007. Version 10.6, released in 2009, was not compatible with PowerPC hardware, but stil supported Rosetta. However, the next version, released in 2011, removed Rosetta support. Let's say that, for example, BSC Games had written their software for Mac instead of Windows. If I'm not mistaken, Pipe 2 was last updated in February 2005, a few
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Well I hope this does not come off to strong, but the reason I am still hanging on to xp is because some games, missippi, and the gma games gtc, lonewolf and sod really don't work that well witn 7. There is also the vb6 issue that will probably eventually come up. Now if the games we have that are done on old code could be updated if they are not being so allready then thats fine. If I know some of those old games will run on better oses, well. The other issue is I still have a lot of dos programs eamon mainly and want either a emulator like dosbox or a 32 bit dos extender that will run on top of windows as part of its command prompt I can use to run 16 bit games in 32 bit mode. I am also looking for accessable vertual machine software that won't slow down the system. on my i5 with 4gb ram, vmware player's vertual machines will slow down to almost nothing. vmware itself really makes my x64 bit system shudder, its in 32 bit mode mainly because I only use 32 bit software and guess what? everything else runs fine I can even run vocaliser express without it stuttering like my xp box does. I also like the win xp sound recorder for some of the sound stuff I do as a basic program. If I can satisfy all those needs, then I'll get my xp box which has a few issues and chuck it out the window, I'll even record it and upload the file to the web. But I doubt I'll ever get all I want so I am really not sure what I will do. My plan is to buy a micro server or a box with insane cpu, ram smart cards and hard drive space and load it up with vms and software that I can remotely boot off anywhere I am remotely and locally. That has its own challenges. However bar that the only other thing I will do is have an xp machine always which will probably mean having an extra system. It may mean running an old version of nvda to but I really have no solution. If there is any way for me to have my cake and eat it then please share. At 01:00 PM 12/20/2013, you wrote: Hi Josh, I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned we aren't going out of our way to drop support for XP, but neither are we going to go out of our way to support it. At some point when we begin adopting newer Windows components and if it isn't XP compatible too bad. As I stated I am already running Windows 8.1 and as lead developer I can take advantage of various new components, modern hardware, and I see no need to cripple my software because x number of gamers won't upgrade. I may take a loss initially, but I am also looking at supporting Mac and perhaps Linux in time which will recoup the losses in sales to XP users. So I am not as concerned about XP support as I might be if I were only looking at the Windows market specifically. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Tom, Your discussion of VB6 was one of the best explanations of the situation I've seen on this list. We're in the process of rewriting old titles to use the new Engine. The old ESP Softworks titles were all VB6. This is going to be an arduous transition, but we'll get there, and the games will be better than ever when we do. It is unlikely we will continue supporting XP, though. As you stated, we have a Mexican stand off, and we can take this opportunity to move forward since Mac sales are so robust and Windows sales are definitely weaker. Sales of our new Windows titles have not warranted the effort we put into supporting XP. For future titles, if we can support it with minimal effort, we will. When the effort required to maintain support for XP exceeds a certain threshold though, we just can't justify it. If Windows sales pick up and a lot of users are still using XP down the road, we may revisit the topic. As for those who blame Microsoft for incompatibilities with VB6, it is common for people with these types of views of the world to want to vilify any company once it reaches a certain size for absolutely everything, whether based on facts or not. I have no love for big corporations, either, but I'm also not naive enough to think that every one of them is the equivalent of Lord Voldemort. Remember, Apple is doomed because they use DRM on the music they sell in iTunes. They aren't, and they don't, and in fact haven't had DRM in just about seven years now, but those kinds of knee jerk reactions lead to everything being someone else's fault. Apple didn't even have a choice with the DRM situation. The record labels dictated that situation. It's unfortunate, because for the most part, people who take these kinds of views are hurting themselves more than anyone else. At least until they start spewing misinformation across the Internet. Microsoft surely hasn't done developers, or themselves for that matter, any favors with a lot of idiotic decisions they've made over the last 15 years or so, but not everything is their fault, either. As I have said so often, the world is comprised of
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True charles but most people do have at least a core2 and at least 2gb ram. Most people should have at least dotnet 3.5 if not 4.0 installed and anything over that is for touch devices and such anyway. At 05:32 PM 12/20/2013, you wrote: If you can take advantage of more modern tools to develop games, but a lot of gamers cannot, where does that leave you? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi Josh, I definitely agree with your points. As far as USA Games is concerned we aren't going out of our way to drop support for XP, but neither are we going to go out of our way to support it. At some point when we begin adopting newer Windows components and if it isn't XP compatible too bad. As I stated I am already running Windows 8.1 and as lead developer I can take advantage of various new components, modern hardware, and I see no need to cripple my software because x number of gamers won't upgrade. I may take a loss initially, but I am also looking at supporting Mac and perhaps Linux in time which will recoup the losses in sales to XP users. So I am not as concerned about XP support as I might be if I were only looking at the Windows market specifically. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Tom, Your discussion of VB6 was one of the best explanations of the situation I've seen on this list. We're in the process of rewriting old titles to use the new Engine. The old ESP Softworks titles were all VB6. This is going to be an arduous transition, but we'll get there, and the games will be better than ever when we do. It is unlikely we will continue supporting XP, though. As you stated, we have a Mexican stand off, and we can take this opportunity to move forward since Mac sales are so robust and Windows sales are definitely weaker. Sales of our new Windows titles have not warranted the effort we put into supporting XP. For future titles, if we can support it with minimal effort, we will. When the effort required to maintain support for XP exceeds a certain threshold though, we just can't justify it. If Windows sales pick up and a lot of users are still using XP down the road, we may revisit the topic. As for those who blame Microsoft for incompatibilities with VB6, it is common for people with these types of views of the world to want to vilify any company once it reaches a certain size for absolutely everything, whether based on facts or not. I have no love for big corporations, either, but I'm also not naive enough to think that every one of them is the equivalent of Lord Voldemort. Remember, Apple is doomed because they use DRM on the music they sell in iTunes. They aren't, and they don't, and in fact haven't had DRM in just about seven years now, but those kinds of knee jerk reactions lead to everything being someone else's fault. Apple didn't even have a choice with the DRM situation. The record labels dictated that situation. It's unfortunate, because for the most part, people who take these kinds of views are hurting themselves more than anyone else. At least until they start spewing misinformation across the Internet. Microsoft surely hasn't done developers, or themselves for that matter, any favors with a lot of idiotic decisions they've made over the last 15 years or so, but not everything is their fault, either. As I have said so often, the world is comprised of shades of gray. It is rarely, if ever, black and white. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Money, money, money. Who's got the money? The majority of the visually impaired or blind population are unemployed, in a lot of cases, not through any fault of their own. Upgrade with what? Or, even if you are working, if you use products from Freedom Scientific because you think they are the best, most flexible, and most reliable, you've got those darned service maintenance agreements to deal with, and the hardware and software aren't cheap, either. They cost more than the computers they are used on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a game, and say here you go, here are the requirements. its up to you how you deal with that. if a game dev brings out a game that takes advantage of newer hardware / newer software, I'm afraid it's up to the gamer to update and keep with it. they have done that for a long time now. and you don't seem to hear the complaints as much from them about it. sorry, but I think it's time the blind community starts trying to keep up, in stead of holding ourselves back, and then blaming Microsoft or apple or who ever, for all the things they have done wrong. sure. there are things that Microsoft messed up in windows 8. they fixed some of those in windows 8.1, and will soon be fixing more in the next version of windows, either next year, or in 2015. they admit they have made some mistakes, and are going about fixing that. but I'm afraid to say, that as time go's on, it will be harder and harder to support ancient languages and software based on them. it's not because they don't want to, but simply because the cost involved in doing so, is huge. I mean, come on. people are complaining about windows costing what it does now! imagine what they would say, if Microsoft turned around and said, well, we are going to have to charge an extra 50, or 100 dollars per licence, just to keep up support for 10 or 15 year old software and languages. I don't think that would go over well. and not being funny, but one of apples good sides, is that they don't do this. they say, right, here is the new system. this is what it uses. get used to it, or don't use our product. LOL. harsh, but in some ways, they have the right idea. just like they did with 64 bit. in stead of messing around having both 64 and 32 running on the same operating system in effect, as windows does now, they basically switched to pure 64 bit, and said, well, this is what we will use now. all app developers, update your software. I personally think windows should go all out 64 bit, and stop messing around. 64 bit is faster, and lets you actually use all your ram, in stead of only part of it. ahaha. even in XP, if you had 4 GB, you could never use it all! you could only use about 2 GB at any one time. how annoying! and programs running as a proper 64 bit app, are amazingly fast and smooth to work with. course, the only reason they haven't gotten rid of 32 bit, is cause most of the dev's still produce in nothing but 32 bit app's! such as mozilla, for one! they refuse to bring out a 64 bit version of their firefox or thunderbird! which is stupid, considering the security advantages 64 bit gives you. dallas On 20/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Sigh...You are probably right about the fact that we have said all that can be said on this subject. I feel like I'm in a boxing match where neither person has made any impact on the other and all we are doing is going round after round not getting anywhere. However, before I close this topic I feel the need to make a correction. Visual Basic 6 apps and games still work on Windows 8. You have to take some extra steps to make them work correctly, but it certainly can be done. In fact, Microsoft released a patch for Windows 8 not too long ago that extends support for older Visual Basic 6 apps and games for the lifetime of Windows 8. So what you said about Microsoft mucking up compatibility with Visual Basic 6 is not true. They have in fact tried to maintain compatibility as long as necessary while getting programmers to adopt .NET instead. Even if it were true can you possibly try and see it from their point of view for once instead of looking at this from a biased position. Visual Basic 6 was released in 1998. That was 15 years ago for a totally different operating system and generation of computers than we are dealing with today. There were several third-party ActiveX components for 16-bit and 32-bit Windows that are no longer supported by their respective companies causing major problems with VB 6
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Hi Lenron. Absolutely, Vipmud would be no use as a program if it couldn't connect to any mud you wanted. Go to the connect menue item, and enter the mud's hostname and connection info (most muds have this on their website). You can also add character name and password but it's best not to do this at the start. once you've added a mud this way it'll turn up in the mud list along with Alteraeon, valhalla etc. hth. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: lenron brown lenro...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds is it possible to play muds that or not listed in vip mud On 12/19/13, Shannon Dyer solsticesin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. I've visited www.mudconnector.com and have seen several listings for Harry Potter-themed muds. However, none of them seems workable. When I try to log onto any of them, I get a blank screen. So, can anyone recommend a good Harry Potter mud? If so, can you provide the connection info, as what's listed online doesn't seem to be working. Thanks in advance. Shannon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Hi Lenron. Well my mud experience is rather limited, but other than alteraeon I can say materiamagica has been going through a major rewrite lately to make a lot of things both more accessible, and more newbie friendly. I started investigating this back in about september, but got somewhat destracted, though I know much more work has gone on. A mud people are also discussing very much on audiogames.net is one called epitaff, which is zombie appocalypse themed. AGain, the developers have included some access features, though i don't know where things are with that one as I've not tried it thus far. Hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Shaun, Honestly, I think you are seriously over reacting to upgrading. I know some people hate change, but going to special devices made specifically for the blind most certainly is not the answer to the problem. They are often over priced, way too expensive, and proprietary to the point they are hard to service and get software for. To give you an example I can go to my local Walmart right now and buy an Apple iPad for $499 complete with a screen reader and a number of accessible apps. There are potentially hundreds of games and other apps I can buy from the Apple store for it which makes my $499 up front investment worthwhile. If I look at similar devices made for the blind I am looking at better than $2,000 for a basic notetaker which doesn't have the power of the iPad nor the selection of applications. I could do that, of course, but why would I buy a specialized notetaker for three or four times the cost with less features and abilities? The thing is that while you and others may not like the changes going on in the technology world I also don't think you really have much of a choice but to roll with the change. Access is improving on Mac OS X making it an alternative to Windows. Orca is constantly improving on Linux making Linux an alternative to Windows. The new Narrator for Windows 8.1 is fair as a screen reader. NVDA is better, but in many ways accessibility for Windows has gotten better not worse. Bottom line, retreating into specialized devices is not necessary, because we are on the verge of having a real choice when it comes to computers and software for the first time in history. We need to be going forward not backward because cost of adaptive technology is dropping and I see no reason to retreat back into the world of expensive high priced specialty products. Cheers! On 12/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I agree dark. a simular discussion is going on the nvda list. I have 7 but a lot of the games that are for the blind are old. I have used xp for ages, and it still works. 7 is a good system as far as its better than vista. 8 though I don't know its ok but there are som many visual things now. And who needs all the extra cloud services anyway. So much is focused on touch. Yeah touch is good but the blind never needed to use it before and I see no reason why we should even do so. We don't need the extra stuff. back in the day dos with the blind persons os. Now its xp. and still is to a major extent xp. I have 7 which is the last so called desktop os, and well who knows. Linux is starting to look attractive except I have spent so much cash on windows apps I will need something to run windows like a vm in which case I may as well continue running windows. I have no doubt that there will be another system a system which is better than xp, better than 7 better than 8. I do think though that we need some interface for windows that is like the old os, desktop, internet explorer, start menus and the like. We never needed all the extras for ages and I recon we still don't. I hate to say this, but it may be time to retreat into devices designed for the blind and bugger the sighted. I never thought I'd do a reversal like this but its almost like the entire world of software is going against us. We fight back and continue but there is a point when I do wander what would have happened if I had never gone. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Interestingly enough, from friends of mine who do the more harsh and serious sorts of mixed martial arts, (I have one friend who even das krav maga, and yes, she is down right Scary!), since in those situations you are dealing with people who are capable of doing real and serious damage to each other, anyone cheats, uses illegal moves or the like, or uses a foreigne object like a steel chair and they'd be kicked out faster than you can say broken jaw! Indeed my friend has stated that in both training bouts and competitions for krav maga it's necessary for the referee to stand with a stop watch, since if one person gets the other in a choke hold there is a real risk of actual death if the hold goes on for more than about 20 seconds, and unconsciousness is apparently frequent, indeed according to my friend, half of her Krav maga training involves learning the holds, blows etc, the other half involves learning how not! to get broken bones, crushed joints and innumerable other injuries from doing such. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
You know, it's a shame that there isn't a wider variety of muds out there. i mean, star conquest is the closest I've come to the type of game that I like but it's not really the type of game that I like. Sc really does force you into doing group work which I don't always like to do. But I do like space themed games. Especially open ended persistent ones. As of yet I haven't really found one that fits the bill. Yet I would have thought that considering how big you can make a mud, it would be the perfect environment for such a game? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 December 2013 10:07 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds Hi Lenron. Well my mud experience is rather limited, but other than alteraeon I can say materiamagica has been going through a major rewrite lately to make a lot of things both more accessible, and more newbie friendly. I started investigating this back in about september, but got somewhat destracted, though I know much more work has gone on. A mud people are also discussing very much on audiogames.net is one called epitaff, which is zombie appocalypse themed. AGain, the developers have included some access features, though i don't know where things are with that one as I've not tried it thus far. Hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Another real sport is amateur wrestling - which they generally include in things like olympics, etc.? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, I guess you said it yourself. You are a purest and are taking the term wrestling too literally here. You are trying to compare pro wrestling to another sport like football, basketball, bowling, etc when that really is comparing two totally different things and trying to say they should be equal. What I mean by that is pro wrestling is not really a true sport in the way something like football or baseball is because all of the matches are fixed and scripted by the company to work into a larger storyline. I think most pro wrestling fans are aware by now that many of the matches are rehearsed and the winner is decided upon days possibly weeks before the match is televised on TV. For that reason it is not a true sport because it is purely for entertainment and there is no real competition in it. Therefore it doesn't matter if people cheat or not because it was all scripted before hand. When you talk about bowling, basketball, baseball, whatever that is a totally different situation. All of the games are about real honest open competition between two teams. Therefore cheating does matter because it is not contrived for the audiences benefit and cheating really would be cheating in those sports. So to get to the point if pro wrestling was really about competition then I'd agree with you that cheating and people busting up furniture should not be allowed, but it is not actually a sport. Everything you see on TNA Impact, WWE Raw, WWE Smackdown, whatever is less about competition than artistic stunt work as you pointed out in an earlier message. If that is not wrestling in your opinion fine, but I believe most fans of pro wrestling would tend to disagree with you as there currently is no other term to describe it right now. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Another real sport is amateur wrestling - which they generally include in things like olympics, etc.? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, I guess you said it yourself. You are a purest and are taking the term wrestling too literally here. You are trying to compare pro wrestling to another sport like football, basketball, bowling, etc when that really is comparing two totally different things and trying to say they should be equal. What I mean by that is pro wrestling is not really a true sport in the way something like football or baseball is because all of the matches are fixed and scripted by the company to work into a larger storyline. I think most pro wrestling fans are aware by now that many of the matches are rehearsed and the winner is decided upon days possibly weeks before the match is televised on TV. For that reason it is not a true sport because it is purely for entertainment and there is no real competition in it. Therefore it doesn't matter if people cheat or not because it was all scripted before hand. When you talk about bowling, basketball, baseball, whatever that is a totally different situation. All of the games are about real honest open competition between two teams. Therefore cheating does matter because it is not contrived for the audiences benefit and cheating really would be cheating in those sports. So to get to the point if pro wrestling was really about competition then I'd agree with you that cheating and people busting up furniture should not be allowed, but it is not actually a sport. Everything you see on TNA Impact, WWE Raw, WWE Smackdown, whatever is less about competition than artistic stunt work as you pointed out in an earlier message. If that is not wrestling in your opinion fine, but I believe most fans of pro wrestling would tend to disagree with you as there currently is no other term to describe it right now. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Charles, Oh, I won't deny the fact that most blind people are unemployed and are dependant on disability income like SSI and SSDI, nor can I ignore the fact that the cost of living in the U.S. is pretty high right now. That said, though, there are certainly ways to perform upgrades and get new hardware if a person makes it a priority. A lot of it just comes down to managing their money better. I am certainly not saying that a blind user has to walk into Best Buy, Walmart, or another store and just throw down $450 for a new laptop just like that. It obviously takes some planning, and a blind person could, if they wanted to, budget the cost of a new computer into their monthly budget. They could create a savings account where they put $25 here and there into it until they have the money needed for that new computer. Maybe the will have to make a few small conscious decisions like not buying a pizza on Friday night, maybe forego that new jacket they want, not eat out as much, but instead could choose to save that money for a new computer or newer software. In my experience people, and I am talking in general here, aren't good at budgeting their money. They often make gratuities choices like stopping to eat at a fast food restaurant because they don't feel like cooking a meal at home, they find something that the store they like and buy it without caring if that money might be spent elsewhere, or are just bad at wasting money on non-essential stuff. Either way, when people are on a fixed income like SSI they really need to budget everything, even something as gratuitous as eating at McDonald's, to make the most of their money. So making a choice to buy a new computer or a Windows upgrade could be factored into how the money is to be spent if they make it a priority. To give you an example before I got married and my soon to be ex performed a lot of reckless spending I had a savings account I would pay money into each month just like paying a bill. Sometimes I would pay more sometimes less but after about a year I had $1,000 or so built up in that account I could use for anything I wanted. I could go into Walmart and throw down $450 for a new computer, and still have plenty of money in savings left over. Since I paid money into that account just like a bill anything I borrowed for a Windows upgrade, a new computer, etc would soon get paid back into that account for the next time I wanted or needed to make an expensive purchase. All it took was working that into my monthly budget, and we weren't talking about big sums of money to do it. These days Windows upgrades are becoming quite inexpensive. When I upgraded my Toshiba from Windows 7 to Windows 8 I think I paid like $45 for the upgrade. The Windows 8.1 upgrade was free for Windows 8 users so all in all I got two Windows upgrades for less than $50. Granted I had a new enough computer to take advantage of those savings, but the fact remains even someone on SSI should be able to come up with that amount of money for a Windows upgrade. So I think your argument that blind people don't have the money won't wash. Yes, they are poor, yes they are on fixed incomes, and yes things may get tight now and then I think they probably could save a little money each month if they wanted to, but I don't think they see a need or have any particular desire to do it. That's why I say it is more a matter of won't than can't. They have not made a conscious decision to put some money back for new hardware and software, and then use their lack of money as an excuse not to upgrade. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Money, money, money. Who's got the money? The majority of the visually impaired or blind population are unemployed, in a lot of cases, not through any fault of their own. Upgrade with what? Or, even if you are working, if you use products from Freedom Scientific because you think they are the best, most flexible, and most reliable, you've got those darned service maintenance agreements to deal with, and the hardware and software aren't cheap, either. They cost more than the computers they are used on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Shaun, Well, not true. While I suspect most people have at least .NET 4.0 installed that has absolutely nothing to do with touchscreen devices. Microsoft .NET is a programming API designed for rapid development and deployment of applications cross Windows platforms and has nothing to do with touchscreen devices specifically. Neither does having more ram and CPU power. I'm not sure why you would think that. Cheers! On 12/20/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: True charles but most people do have at least a core2 and at least 2gb ram. Most people should have at least dotnet 3.5 if not 4.0 installed and anything over that is for touch devices and such anyway. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Top 25 games in 2013
Hi all, I red about this in the newspaper (the link is belowe) and found this amazing. Are some of those games at least a little accessible? Has anyone hurd about the fifth on the list, called Papers, please? It seams very interesting and also quite possible to adapt, at least from my point of view as a gamer. What do you think? Best! Miloš Pržic twitter: MilosPrzic skype: Milosh-hs __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8454 (20130616) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology ofFirstPerson Shooters
I know/agree, but, think that's just the name in use for it on varying levels - from school teams, to people doing it as a past-time, up to olympic level...smile We could always just call it real wrestling..? And, then you get the sort of reversal of pro wrestling to real life beat-em-up - cage/pit fighting, where guys, for real also end up with broken bones, wounds/injuries, and a few have died in past as well..? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 01:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology ofFirstPerson Shooters I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Another real sport is amateur wrestling - which they generally include in things like olympics, etc.? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, I guess you said it yourself. You are a purest and are taking the term wrestling too literally here. You are trying to compare pro wrestling to another sport like football, basketball, bowling, etc when that really is comparing two totally different things and trying to say they should be equal. What I mean by that is pro wrestling is not really a true sport in the way something like football or baseball is because all of the matches are fixed and scripted by the company to work into a larger storyline. I think most pro wrestling fans are aware by now that many of the matches are rehearsed and the winner is decided upon days possibly weeks before the match is televised on TV. For that reason it is not a true sport because it is purely for entertainment and there is no real competition in it. Therefore it doesn't matter if people cheat or not because it was all scripted before hand. When you talk about bowling, basketball, baseball, whatever that is a totally different situation. All of the games are about real honest open competition between two teams. Therefore cheating does matter because it is not contrived for the audiences benefit and cheating really would be cheating in those sports. So to get to the point if pro wrestling was really about competition then I'd agree with you that cheating and people busting up furniture should not be allowed, but it is not actually a sport. Everything you see on TNA Impact, WWE Raw, WWE Smackdown, whatever is less about competition than artistic stunt work as you pointed out in an earlier message. If that is not wrestling in your opinion fine, but I believe most fans of pro wrestling would tend to disagree with you as there currently is no other term to describe it right now. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
That's actually on my list of things to try and save up for. Granted there's been no indication that my current laptop, wich I've had for four years, is about to go. But o course you never know with computers. Chances are tat if/when I get a new laptop it'll ahve a newer OS like WOndows 7 or 9 so I figure I'll have to get used to it. I'd have upgraded before now seeing as I'm not fond of Vista but finances have't exactly permitted that, especially not this year. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 4:35 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question Hi Charles, Oh, I won't deny the fact that most blind people are unemployed and are dependant on disability income like SSI and SSDI, nor can I ignore the fact that the cost of living in the U.S. is pretty high right now. That said, though, there are certainly ways to perform upgrades and get new hardware if a person makes it a priority. A lot of it just comes down to managing their money better. I am certainly not saying that a blind user has to walk into Best Buy, Walmart, or another store and just throw down $450 for a new laptop just like that. It obviously takes some planning, and a blind person could, if they wanted to, budget the cost of a new computer into their monthly budget. They could create a savings account where they put $25 here and there into it until they have the money needed for that new computer. Maybe the will have to make a few small conscious decisions like not buying a pizza on Friday night, maybe forego that new jacket they want, not eat out as much, but instead could choose to save that money for a new computer or newer software. In my experience people, and I am talking in general here, aren't good at budgeting their money. They often make gratuities choices like stopping to eat at a fast food restaurant because they don't feel like cooking a meal at home, they find something that the store they like and buy it without caring if that money might be spent elsewhere, or are just bad at wasting money on non-essential stuff. Either way, when people are on a fixed income like SSI they really need to budget everything, even something as gratuitous as eating at McDonald's, to make the most of their money. So making a choice to buy a new computer or a Windows upgrade could be factored into how the money is to be spent if they make it a priority. To give you an example before I got married and my soon to be ex performed a lot of reckless spending I had a savings account I would pay money into each month just like paying a bill. Sometimes I would pay more sometimes less but after about a year I had $1,000 or so built up in that account I could use for anything I wanted. I could go into Walmart and throw down $450 for a new computer, and still have plenty of money in savings left over. Since I paid money into that account just like a bill anything I borrowed for a Windows upgrade, a new computer, etc would soon get paid back into that account for the next time I wanted or needed to make an expensive purchase. All it took was working that into my monthly budget, and we weren't talking about big sums of money to do it. These days Windows upgrades are becoming quite inexpensive. When I upgraded my Toshiba from Windows 7 to Windows 8 I think I paid like $45 for the upgrade. The Windows 8.1 upgrade was free for Windows 8 users so all in all I got two Windows upgrades for less than $50. Granted I had a new enough computer to take advantage of those savings, but the fact remains even someone on SSI should be able to come up with that amount of money for a Windows upgrade. So I think your argument that blind people don't have the money won't wash. Yes, they are poor, yes they are on fixed incomes, and yes things may get tight now and then I think they probably could save a little money each month if they wanted to, but I don't think they see a need or have any particular desire to do it. That's why I say it is more a matter of won't than can't. They have not made a conscious decision to put some money back for new hardware and software, and then use their lack of money as an excuse not to upgrade. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Money, money, money. Who's got the money? The majority of the visually impaired or blind population are unemployed, in a lot of cases, not through any fault of their own. Upgrade with what? Or, even if you are working, if you use products from Freedom Scientific because you think they are the best, most flexible, and most reliable, you've got those darned service maintenance agreements to deal with, and the hardware and software aren't cheap, either. They cost more than the computers they are used on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Shaun, Regarding virtual machines for playing older games etc unfortunately performance will always be something of an issue. You need a lot of ram and CPU power to run a guest operating system in memory and get something like native performance. As a rule of thumb the more ram and CPU power you have to throw at it the better it will run, but it still isn't quite as good as running it on a system natively. However, I personally do not see a better alternative at this point. Both Mac and Linux have Windows emulators, but those are frankly a pain in the butt to get working properly. I've tried playing games like Shades of Doom under Wine on Linux and the game constantly crashes. Others like Jim Kitchen's games work fine on Linux used with Wine. However, emulating software is hit and miss, and is not a perfect solution in any case. To be perfectly honest if someone like yourself is that concerned about hanging onto your older games and applications the best choice is to hold onto your older computer, keep XP on it, and just use it for that expressed purpose. For everything else you can use your new Windows computer for the Internet, e-mail, newer games, etc. That is the only way to have your cake and eat it too. cheers! On 12/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I hope this does not come off to strong, but the reason I am still hanging on to xp is because some games, missippi, and the gma games gtc, lonewolf and sod really don't work that well witn 7. There is also the vb6 issue that will probably eventually come up. Now if the games we have that are done on old code could be updated if they are not being so allready then thats fine. If I know some of those old games will run on better oses, well. The other issue is I still have a lot of dos programs eamon mainly and want either a emulator like dosbox or a 32 bit dos extender that will run on top of windows as part of its command prompt I can use to run 16 bit games in 32 bit mode. I am also looking for accessable vertual machine software that won't slow down the system. on my i5 with 4gb ram, vmware player's vertual machines will slow down to almost nothing. vmware itself really makes my x64 bit system shudder, its in 32 bit mode mainly because I only use 32 bit software and guess what? everything else runs fine I can even run vocaliser express without it stuttering like my xp box does. I also like the win xp sound recorder for some of the sound stuff I do as a basic program. If I can satisfy all those needs, then I'll get my xp box which has a few issues and chuck it out the window, I'll even record it and upload the file to the web. But I doubt I'll ever get all I want so I am really not sure what I will do. My plan is to buy a micro server or a box with insane cpu, ram smart cards and hard drive space and load it up with vms and software that I can remotely boot off anywhere I am remotely and locally. That has its own challenges. However bar that the only other thing I will do is have an xp machine always which will probably mean having an extra system. It may mean running an old version of nvda to but I really have no solution. If there is any way for me to have my cake and eat it then please share. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Shaun, You want to know what I find amusing about that comment? I think a lot of people in this community have completely forgotten the uproar caused by Microsoft releasing Windows XP. I remember people on the Jaws list and elsewhere swearing up and down they would never upgrade to XP, that XP is trash, that they will use Windows 98 until it dies. Now, some 12 years later exactly the opposite is true. People say things like they got it right with XP but if you were to go back in time and tell everyone that they would not believe you. The moral of the story is that it takes a very long time for the blind community to accept and adopt change. By the time they do they are already behind the mainstream, and will start kicking, screaming, and wining about how bad the changes are. A few years later it is all forgotten about until the next time the evil empire releases a new operating system that forces them to change. Cheers! On 12/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well personally once ms gets it right I just hope they stay right. they got it right with xp. some what with 7 after that its if you like it then fine but if not well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Hi Dark, I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which doesn't really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that. On 12/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The PsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters
Well jacob, in wrestling terms I do think competitie wrestling or indeed real wrestling is the best term. In terms of dodgy and illegal fights, well they're dodgy and illegal anyway and what goes on there wouldn't really count as a real sport anymore than those nasty pubs in the center of towns like Nottingham who still do apparently have people bet on bare knuckle fist fights between various drunks should count as real boxing. Such activities are outside the main federation and control of real sports, heck even among the crowd who do brutal mixed martial arts as I said, there's a big difference betwene doing it the propper way and just brawling for all the latter does go on. Indeed, were a tournament like street fighter held in real life it'd likely get broken up by the police fairly quickly, at least in most countries. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
hi. yeah, i agree. lol. it's amusigin to watch how most of the blind commnunity works. even though i myself am blind, i sort of feel like i'm on the outside, looking in. ahaha. also, about the money / saving up thing. not being funny here guys, but lets just put it this way. i am on australias blind pension. i pay for my internet, phone, mobile phone, electricity, and help pay for the cost of our car. pluss food of course. and any other little things that come up. and heres the thing. this year, i have purchasesd, a new iPad mini with retina display, 128 gb cell version. windows 8 toshiba laptop. several games, and heres the topper, i purchased tickets to fly over to england again next year! so yes, saving up can be done. and it really doesn't take that much. just use your money wisely, and you will be fine. lol. Dallas On 20/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, You want to know what I find amusing about that comment? I think a lot of people in this community have completely forgotten the uproar caused by Microsoft releasing Windows XP. I remember people on the Jaws list and elsewhere swearing up and down they would never upgrade to XP, that XP is trash, that they will use Windows 98 until it dies. Now, some 12 years later exactly the opposite is true. People say things like they got it right with XP but if you were to go back in time and tell everyone that they would not believe you. The moral of the story is that it takes a very long time for the blind community to accept and adopt change. By the time they do they are already behind the mainstream, and will start kicking, screaming, and wining about how bad the changes are. A few years later it is all forgotten about until the next time the evil empire releases a new operating system that forces them to change. Cheers! On 12/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well personally once ms gets it right I just hope they stay right. they got it right with xp. some what with 7 after that its if you like it then fine but if not well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Hi, I recently started one called Cleft oof dimensions. It is not very different in gameplay terms from other mud I've played so far, but the thing I like about it is it's theme. It is based of of old console games, especially old nintendo titles like Zelda, Final Fantasy, secret of mana or even Super Mario. You can find references to these games everywhere, you can fight goombas, coopas and other enemies from these games and even visit Bowser in higher levels. I even found a question mark block with a mushroom in it when I was exploring a newbie zone a few days ago! Lol. The player base is fairly small, but they seem to be nice people and helpfull. The game seems to be playable very well with screen readers, and people seem to like it when blind folks come to play there. I'm not the only blind player as far as other players told me, though I've not met another one yet. The game has classes and races, the races are inspired from old games as well. I'm playing a Kirby right now. :D There are quests as well, the thing I like about them is that you can type quests wherever you are and get a list of them for the area you are in. There seems to be some kind of crafting as well, but I've not played so far yet and don't know what you can do there. The connection info is: cod.mudmagic.com, Port 4354 Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
I've recently begun playing one called ancient anguish. It's a medieval, fantasy-themed game with classes such as adventurer, mage, clerick, shapeshifter, and a couple more. It's quite good. Shannon On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Lenron. Well my mud experience is rather limited, but other than alteraeon I can say materiamagica has been going through a major rewrite lately to make a lot of things both more accessible, and more newbie friendly. I started investigating this back in about september, but got somewhat destracted, though I know much more work has gone on. A mud people are also discussing very much on audiogames.net is one called epitaff, which is zombie appocalypse themed. AGain, the developers have included some access features, though i don't know where things are with that one as I've not tried it thus far. Hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
and if I really need a new computer my bank said although I am on social security I can go take out a personal loan for $5000, pay them back $4600 of the $5000 buy a new computer then just slowly pay off the rest of the loan. using windows7 laptop On 12/20/2013 3:30 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, If we were talking about financially speaking I would be in a much worse situation, but I think we know by now developing audio games is not and never has been about the money for me. I primarily write games for myself first and for the community second. So from that perspective writing games for a more modern operating system has its advantages for me personally because everything I write will be compatible with what I am using and is made according to the specifications I want or need at the time. It makes little sense to write something for an operating system that I will never use or support myself unless I am solely interested in the money which I am not. Besides I think your logic is a bit flawed. You said that a lot of gamers can not take advantage of more modern tools and operating systems. I believe it is more a case of won't than can't. I have seen my fair share of inexpensive computers under $300 with Windows 7 on them, and I know that many people on SSI should be able to save up and afford that if they wanted to. Many don't want to so won't upgrade rather than can't upgrade/. At least that is just my opinion. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If you can take advantage of more modern tools to develop games, but a lot of gamers cannot, where does that leave you? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
its easy an inexpensive to upgrade. computersfortheblind.net and newegg.com and blaire technology group all sell good refurbished machines with windows7. and eventually will have them with windows8. if you really want windows8 just go get one from walmart or amazon maybe. using windows7 laptop On 12/20/2013 4:22 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dallas, I'm right with you there. A lot of companies, particular the mainstream, release a product, say here is the specs to run it, take it or leave it. Not a lot of accessible software developers are willing to be that harsh, but maybe they should. If more accessible developers took a more mainstream approach to marketing less blind users would be so complacent about upgrades as they would have to make the same sort of choices their sighted peers do about upgrades. The way I see it as long as developers continue to write stuff in Visual Basic 6, continue to support XP, the blind users see no benefit in upgrading. Plus by doing so the accessible software developers are holding the community back. What they need to do is take advantage of newer technology and make those benefits to upgrading appear so more people will feel like upgrading is a worthwhile investment. I believe once there is a real benefit to upgrading the community will follow the developers' lead. However, until developers give them an advantage in upgrading most blind gamers won't. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote: hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a game, and say here you go, here are the requirements. its up to you how you deal with that. if a game dev brings out a game that takes advantage of newer hardware / newer software, I'm afraid it's up to the gamer to update and keep with it. they have done that for a long time now. and you don't seem to hear the complaints as much from them about it. sorry, but I think it's time the blind community starts trying to keep up, in stead of holding ourselves back, and then blaming Microsoft or apple or who ever, for all the things they have done wrong. sure. there are things that Microsoft messed up in windows 8. they fixed some of those in windows 8.1, and will soon be fixing more in the next version of windows, either next year, or in 2015. they admit they have made some mistakes, and are going about fixing that. but I'm afraid to say, that as time go's on, it will be harder and harder to support ancient languages and software based on them. it's not because they don't want to, but simply because the cost involved in doing so, is huge. I mean, come on. people are complaining about windows costing what it does now! imagine what they would say, if Microsoft turned around and said, well, we are going to have to charge an extra 50, or 100 dollars per licence, just to keep up support for 10 or 15 year old software and languages. I don't think that would go over well. and not being funny, but one of apples good sides, is that they don't do this. they say, right, here is the new system. this is what it uses. get used to it, or don't use our product. LOL. harsh, but in some ways, they have the right idea. just like they did with 64 bit. in stead of messing around having both 64 and 32 running on the same operating system in effect, as windows does now, they basically switched to pure 64 bit, and said, well, this is what we will use now. all app developers, update your software. I personally think windows should go all out 64 bit, and stop messing around. 64 bit is faster, and lets you actually use all your ram, in stead of only part of it. ahaha. even in XP, if you had 4 GB, you could never use it all! you could only use about 2 GB at any one time. how annoying! and programs running as a proper 64 bit app, are amazingly fast and smooth to work with. course, the only reason they haven't gotten rid of 32 bit, is cause most of the dev's still produce in nothing but 32 bit app's! such as mozilla, for one! they refuse to bring out a 64 bit version of their firefox or thunderbird! which is stupid, considering the security advantages 64 bit gives you. dallas --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
or get a bank account, take out a loan pay back what you don't need right away buy the new machine then pay back the rest of the loan. using windows7 laptop On 12/20/2013 6:35 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, Oh, I won't deny the fact that most blind people are unemployed and are dependant on disability income like SSI and SSDI, nor can I ignore the fact that the cost of living in the U.S. is pretty high right now. That said, though, there are certainly ways to perform upgrades and get new hardware if a person makes it a priority. A lot of it just comes down to managing their money better. I am certainly not saying that a blind user has to walk into Best Buy, Walmart, or another store and just throw down $450 for a new laptop just like that. It obviously takes some planning, and a blind person could, if they wanted to, budget the cost of a new computer into their monthly budget. They could create a savings account where they put $25 here and there into it until they have the money needed for that new computer. Maybe the will have to make a few small conscious decisions like not buying a pizza on Friday night, maybe forego that new jacket they want, not eat out as much, but instead could choose to save that money for a new computer or newer software. In my experience people, and I am talking in general here, aren't good at budgeting their money. They often make gratuities choices like stopping to eat at a fast food restaurant because they don't feel like cooking a meal at home, they find something that the store they like and buy it without caring if that money might be spent elsewhere, or are just bad at wasting money on non-essential stuff. Either way, when people are on a fixed income like SSI they really need to budget everything, even something as gratuitous as eating at McDonald's, to make the most of their money. So making a choice to buy a new computer or a Windows upgrade could be factored into how the money is to be spent if they make it a priority. To give you an example before I got married and my soon to be ex performed a lot of reckless spending I had a savings account I would pay money into each month just like paying a bill. Sometimes I would pay more sometimes less but after about a year I had $1,000 or so built up in that account I could use for anything I wanted. I could go into Walmart and throw down $450 for a new computer, and still have plenty of money in savings left over. Since I paid money into that account just like a bill anything I borrowed for a Windows upgrade, a new computer, etc would soon get paid back into that account for the next time I wanted or needed to make an expensive purchase. All it took was working that into my monthly budget, and we weren't talking about big sums of money to do it. These days Windows upgrades are becoming quite inexpensive. When I upgraded my Toshiba from Windows 7 to Windows 8 I think I paid like $45 for the upgrade. The Windows 8.1 upgrade was free for Windows 8 users so all in all I got two Windows upgrades for less than $50. Granted I had a new enough computer to take advantage of those savings, but the fact remains even someone on SSI should be able to come up with that amount of money for a Windows upgrade. So I think your argument that blind people don't have the money won't wash. Yes, they are poor, yes they are on fixed incomes, and yes things may get tight now and then I think they probably could save a little money each month if they wanted to, but I don't think they see a need or have any particular desire to do it. That's why I say it is more a matter of won't than can't. They have not made a conscious decision to put some money back for new hardware and software, and then use their lack of money as an excuse not to upgrade. Cheers! On 12/19/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Money, money, money. Who's got the money? The majority of the visually impaired or blind population are unemployed, in a lot of cases, not through any fault of their own. Upgrade with what? Or, even if you are working, if you use products from Freedom Scientific because you think they are the best, most flexible, and most reliable, you've got those darned service maintenance agreements to deal with, and the hardware and software aren't cheap, either. They cost more than the computers they are used on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
[Audyssey] Quantum Minstrel
Hi. The below is taken from a forward from my husband. Thought it might be of interest to some of you. *** Hi folks, The following is a project on kickstarter designed to help GMs mix sound for games. As you can see, I've spoken to the designer and he's not only in favor of making his product accessible, he's already taken steps to make it so. Please don't feel obligated in any way to support his project. I am forwarding this on in case someone wants to support his Kickstarter-but not to guilt trip anyone into it. Personally, this is exactly what I've been looking for, especially since Christina and I have been rabidly collecting RPG sound material through kickstarter and other sources for years. You can find his project page here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ijijn/quantum-minstrel-integrated-tablet op-rpg-audio-sol?ref=discovery Thanks. Iain Brandram-Adams says: Hi again Matthew, Many thanks for your generous pledge at the Collector's Edition level! I look forward to working with you on the various beta developments we have in store. As a result of our previous discussion, I have added keyboard shortcuts as an alternative to clicking on the buttons. Currently the keys are 1, 2, 3, 4, etc to raise a particular string up a fret, and Q, W, E, R, etc. to lower the string by a fret. Does that sound sensible? Is there a keyboard layout that you would prefer? I am open to suggestions as to what would be most useful (such as keyboard modifiers and so on). All the best, Iain --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: ThePsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters
Well, we do actually have legal, sort of controlled environment cage fighting this side of the world - think they do have sort of knockout time limits, and sort of external referees to put a hold on a fight/call it off, and, obviously, medical staff on hand, but, yes, no thanks - not my style/of any interest to me, but anywaysmile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 03:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: ThePsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters Well jacob, in wrestling terms I do think competitie wrestling or indeed real wrestling is the best term. In terms of dodgy and illegal fights, well they're dodgy and illegal anyway and what goes on there wouldn't really count as a real sport anymore than those nasty pubs in the center of towns like Nottingham who still do apparently have people bet on bare knuckle fist fights between various drunks should count as real boxing. Such activities are outside the main federation and control of real sports, heck even among the crowd who do brutal mixed martial arts as I said, there's a big difference betwene doing it the propper way and just brawling for all the latter does go on. Indeed, were a tournament like street fighter held in real life it'd likely get broken up by the police fairly quickly, at least in most countries. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
I guess my beef is with the classification rather than what they do. It is sports entertainment, but nonprofessional tactics are allowed in a sport, that sport is not professionally done, and I expect a professional sport to be professional. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Teresa, Exactly. The big companies like the WWE don't even pretend to treat wrestling as an actual sport or claim that the competitions are real. They call pro wrestling sports entertainment which basically emphasizes the fact it is entertainment like a sport but is not really a sport the way football, basketball, etc is. It is if anything, as you said, just some mindless fun watching some burly guys or a couple of hot women tossing each other around the ring for a while occasionally using a foreign object like a steel chair to knock out the opponent for the win. It is all for show and is all for fun. Leave it at that. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: Pro wrestling doesn't pretend to be a sport in the same way that hockey, basketball, and don't forget football. You take or leave the violence, because it's an inherent part of the experience. It's not meant to be competetive. It doesn't even pretend to be that. It's mindless fun, IMO. I like a little mindless fun every once in awhile. Teresa Sent using Alpine messaging system in Mac OS X Terminal --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Sport Entertainment would be accurate. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, I guess you said it yourself. You are a purest and are taking the term wrestling too literally here. You are trying to compare pro wrestling to another sport like football, basketball, bowling, etc when that really is comparing two totally different things and trying to say they should be equal. What I mean by that is pro wrestling is not really a true sport in the way something like football or baseball is because all of the matches are fixed and scripted by the company to work into a larger storyline. I think most pro wrestling fans are aware by now that many of the matches are rehearsed and the winner is decided upon days possibly weeks before the match is televised on TV. For that reason it is not a true sport because it is purely for entertainment and there is no real competition in it. Therefore it doesn't matter if people cheat or not because it was all scripted before hand. When you talk about bowling, basketball, baseball, whatever that is a totally different situation. All of the games are about real honest open competition between two teams. Therefore cheating does matter because it is not contrived for the audiences benefit and cheating really would be cheating in those sports. So to get to the point if pro wrestling was really about competition then I'd agree with you that cheating and people busting up furniture should not be allowed, but it is not actually a sport. Everything you see on TNA Impact, WWE Raw, WWE Smackdown, whatever is less about competition than artistic stunt work as you pointed out in an earlier message. If that is not wrestling in your opinion fine, but I believe most fans of pro wrestling would tend to disagree with you as there currently is no other term to describe it right now. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Yes, there are very legitimate wrestling holds and moves that are done, and I am not ignoring them. However, my point is that, to me, professional sports should be just that; professional. Throwing someone through furniture or busting furniture across someone's head is not wrestling. If crossing the fowl line is not allowed in amateur bowling, it would also not be allowed in professional bowling. Professional wrestlers should wrestle, not do anything that is not wrestling. Maybe I am a purist, but shouldn't they stick to reasonable rules? If not, then the sport should be renamed to better classify what is and is not allowed. I think that a lot of fighting and illegal play should be clamped down on in a lot of professional sports. The NHL and NBA are prime examples. If these athletes are in a professional sport, they should be penalized for not being professionals. If you put your shoulder down and ram into someone who is in front of you who is a defender, you should be called for charging rather then the defender charged with blocking. If you hit an opponent with a hockey stick, you should be out of the game. They should act like, and be, professionals. You can have a very entertaining hockey, basketball, or wrestling match even if you follow the rules. Illegal and unnecessary violence, merely to keep the fans interested, is not needed. If it is, then there's something wrong with this picture. I prefer seeing basketball rather than basketbrawl. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten professionals. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Hi Dark, I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which doesn't really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that. On 12/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Unfortunately Darren, I suspect your problem is similar to mine. i would love to play games like starcraft, age of orion or x com, but a single player space game with that level of depth, stratogy and worlds to explore just isn't out there, and even when muds include exploring, it usually comes packaged with other stuff like rp and pvp which is undesirable. Indeed, I've read a lot of the help files for Miriani and actually would love to try things like exploring, fighting the aliens and even surveying asteroids, I just don't want all that to be interfered with the next time some idiot player killer wants someone to shoot at. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds
Yeah I know what you mean. It's full of pk's on there that's for sure. I guess that's why a lot of these games tend to fall very short for me in the long run. Especially when it comes to vast areas which aren't really used but could be and various forms of game expantion. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 December 2013 17:49 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter muds Unfortunately Darren, I suspect your problem is similar to mine. i would love to play games like starcraft, age of orion or x com, but a single player space game with that level of depth, stratogy and worlds to explore just isn't out there, and even when muds include exploring, it usually comes packaged with other stuff like rp and pvp which is undesirable. Indeed, I've read a lot of the help files for Miriani and actually would love to try things like exploring, fighting the aliens and even surveying asteroids, I just don't want all that to be interfered with the next time some idiot player killer wants someone to shoot at. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
Hi Charles, Fair enough. You are right that the classification is wrong because while pro wrestling is treated as a professional sporting event the way the events are staged it is often anything but professional in the way the performers behave or conduct themselves. In this case the term professional simply means paid rather than amateur which is unpaid wrestling events. In short, I gather your disagreement is with the wording rather than the programming itself. Cheers! On 12/20/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I guess my beef is with the classification rather than what they do. It is sports entertainment, but nonprofessional tactics are allowed in a sport, that sport is not professionally done, and I expect a professional sport to be professional. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re:ThePsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters
Hmmm Jacob, I've not actually heard of real, cage fighting as a serious sport outside the cage matches in show wrestling. I'll have to ask my martial artist friend about that, since it's entirely possible it does go on over here I've just not heard of it specifically. I always sort of assumed the cage was more the style of fight, rather than something where you could have a sport with legal vs illegal moves, actual styles of fighting etc, but I could well be incorrect here. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by archers are quite astounding. To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at which they do it. I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself. That's why I question the term ameter wrestling when used of an olympic wrestler. Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling goldmedel winner beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show wrestling can do some pretty impressive things). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten professionals. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Hi Dark, I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which doesn't really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that. On 12/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Regardless of the skill of the person, that is the legal distinction. Professionals get paid, amateurs do not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by archers are quite astounding. To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at which they do it. I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself. That's why I question the term ameter wrestling when used of an olympic wrestler. Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling goldmedel winner beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show wrestling can do some pretty impressive things). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten professionals. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Hi Dark, I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which doesn't really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that. On 12/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Well charlse, law be buggered!this is again one of those categorical states I think where you perhaps draw a strict distinction when in reality things are more fluid, and to me putting an olympic athelete who trains for sevral hours a day in the same category as someone who just goes to the gym once a month is incorrect, and indeed a little insulting. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Regardless of the skill of the person, that is the legal distinction. Professionals get paid, amateurs do not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by archers are quite astounding. To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at which they do it. I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself. That's why I question the term ameter wrestling when used of an olympic wrestler. Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling goldmedel winner beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show wrestling can do some pretty impressive things). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten professionals. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Hi Dark, I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which doesn't really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that. On 12/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing techniques to use in the theatre as a show fencer compared to anyone who actually competes in the sport. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling -Re:ThePsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters
I suppose they do also have what they would classify as illegal moves - something like an actual attempted killing blow to the throat, or something, and not sure if they wear any form of protective gear - don't think so, but, I know it often turns out that people will engage different forms of martial arts against each other, and suppose there's also a set of guidelines/requirements relating to what they wear while fighting, etc., and, no weapons involved, but anyway. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 07:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling -Re:ThePsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters Hmmm Jacob, I've not actually heard of real, cage fighting as a serious sport outside the cage matches in show wrestling. I'll have to ask my martial artist friend about that, since it's entirely possible it does go on over here I've just not heard of it specifically. I always sort of assumed the cage was more the style of fight, rather than something where you could have a sport with legal vs illegal moves, actual styles of fighting etc, but I could well be incorrect here. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
That's it exactly. If it is staged and prearranged for spectator enjoyment rather than a competition with set rules, it should not be called a professional sport. I don't watch what is known as professional wrestling because I'm not into that sort of thing. I would, however, like to watch a good honest professional wrestling bout if it were verbally described. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, Fair enough. You are right that the classification is wrong because while pro wrestling is treated as a professional sporting event the way the events are staged it is often anything but professional in the way the performers behave or conduct themselves. In this case the term professional simply means paid rather than amateur which is unpaid wrestling events. In short, I gather your disagreement is with the wording rather than the programming itself. Cheers! On 12/20/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I guess my beef is with the classification rather than what they do. It is sports entertainment, but nonprofessional tactics are allowed in a sport, that sport is not professionally done, and I expect a professional sport to be professional. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Harry Potter games
I know that there is a thread dealing with Harry Potter muds, but I am not into muds, so I have not been following that thread. Anyone know of any accessible games that deal with the Harry Potter series? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling-Re:ThePsychologyofFirstPerson Shooters
Sounds similar to the rules for mixed martial arts, which prohibit certain sorts of fatal or very damaging blows, jabs to the throat, choke holds, eye gouging etc. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games
Have you played Sarah from pcs games? In terms of accessible harry potter games that is very much first on the list. Regarding other games, there is a legend of the green dragon mod based around harry potter called hogwarts live. Gameplay seemed pretty standard for Logd, fight monsters in the forbidden forest with a wand until your tough enough to take on lord voldemort, but it had characters from the books and a couple of extra mechanics like school houses and house points. I've heard of a couple of forum based rp games, one called hogwarts extreme for example, but those are basically role play only with little to no mechanics. In general myself I still think Sarah is the best theme for a game and likely the best model for one either, play a game specific character and explore the hp world, rather than trying to emulate one of the books completely since the books are as much about the investigation, the mystery and the character as the magic, monsters and combat. That's why I tend to think much as with a startrek or Doctor who game you'd be better with a game set around! the potter universe rather than one with specific game characters. for example, how about an exploration action game in which you played an official working for the department for the regulation and control of magical creatures and were tasked (possibly with the assistance of Hagrid, grorp, fang, firense and dobby), with wandering through the forests and mountains around hogwarts castle (and maybe the lake too), looking for the various creatures such as giants, magically controlled snakes and dementors which Voldemort used in his army, (perhaps along with any hiding death eaters), and having to either stun or remove them as a threat. That would be the perfect setting for an exploration action game, say either another fps like Sarah or even a side scroller, and yet would be quite fine within the hp universe and not require something as ridiculous as having harry traverse levels of jumps and crazy traps. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games I know that there is a thread dealing with Harry Potter muds, but I am not into muds, so I have not been following that thread. Anyone know of any accessible games that deal with the Harry Potter series? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
Not at all. This is the legal distinction between an amateur and a professional, regardless of the amount of skill and training they have. Professionals are paid, amateurs are not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Well charlse, law be buggered!this is again one of those categorical states I think where you perhaps draw a strict distinction when in reality things are more fluid, and to me putting an olympic athelete who trains for sevral hours a day in the same category as someone who just goes to the gym once a month is incorrect, and indeed a little insulting. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Regardless of the skill of the person, that is the legal distinction. Professionals get paid, amateurs do not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by archers are quite astounding. To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at which they do it. I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself. That's why I question the term ameter wrestling when used of an olympic wrestler. Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling goldmedel winner beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show wrestling can do some pretty impressive things). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten professionals. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Hi Dark, I definitely agree. I think show wrestling and competitive wrestling is more suited than pro wrestling and amateur wrestling which doesn't really make sense given that some amateur wrestlers are pro athletes who compete in the Olympics and other major competitions like that. On 12/20/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I agree Jacob, though it seems a shame to describe something which is done at the olympic level, where people spend thousands of hours training and competing as ameter after all you'd not say someone who cycles or runs or swims in the olympics as an ameter in that sport. Myself, I think show wrestiling vs competitive wrestling is a reasonable distinction, much as you would describe an actor who has learn some flamboient fencing
Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re:professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters
And what do you think legal distinctions are based on in the first place? Ethical and linguistic distinctions used in the concepts made when those laws were written, and those! sorts of distinctions are ones that need to change and evolve with the world and society. As however you've obviously made your mind up on this I don't really think there's much point, plus a discussion of semantic distinctions and the nature of language is very beyond what this list is here for. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re:professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Not at all. This is the legal distinction between an amateur and a professional, regardless of the amount of skill and training they have. Professionals are paid, amateurs are not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Well charlse, law be buggered!this is again one of those categorical states I think where you perhaps draw a strict distinction when in reality things are more fluid, and to me putting an olympic athelete who trains for sevral hours a day in the same category as someone who just goes to the gym once a month is incorrect, and indeed a little insulting. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Regardless of the skill of the person, that is the legal distinction. Professionals get paid, amateurs do not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by archers are quite astounding. To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at which they do it. I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself. That's why I question the term ameter wrestling when used of an olympic wrestler. Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling goldmedel winner beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show wrestling can do some pretty impressive things). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a target that is about a foot in diameter with a bull's eye that is roughly the size of a $0.50 piece. They have beaten professionals. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of FirstPerson
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games
I have played Phil's game, and like it quite a bit. And I still refuse to beware the Grue! --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games Have you played Sarah from pcs games? In terms of accessible harry potter games that is very much first on the list. Regarding other games, there is a legend of the green dragon mod based around harry potter called hogwarts live. Gameplay seemed pretty standard for Logd, fight monsters in the forbidden forest with a wand until your tough enough to take on lord voldemort, but it had characters from the books and a couple of extra mechanics like school houses and house points. I've heard of a couple of forum based rp games, one called hogwarts extreme for example, but those are basically role play only with little to no mechanics. In general myself I still think Sarah is the best theme for a game and likely the best model for one either, play a game specific character and explore the hp world, rather than trying to emulate one of the books completely since the books are as much about the investigation, the mystery and the character as the magic, monsters and combat. That's why I tend to think much as with a startrek or Doctor who game you'd be better with a game set around! the potter universe rather than one with specific game characters. for example, how about an exploration action game in which you played an official working for the department for the regulation and control of magical creatures and were tasked (possibly with the assistance of Hagrid, grorp, fang, firense and dobby), with wandering through the forests and mountains around hogwarts castle (and maybe the lake too), looking for the various creatures such as giants, magically controlled snakes and dementors which Voldemort used in his army, (perhaps along with any hiding death eaters), and having to either stun or remove them as a threat. That would be the perfect setting for an exploration action game, say either another fps like Sarah or even a side scroller, and yet would be quite fine within the hp universe and not require something as ridiculous as having harry traverse levels of jumps and crazy traps. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games I know that there is a thread dealing with Harry Potter muds, but I am not into muds, so I have not been following that thread. Anyone know of any accessible games that deal with the Harry Potter series? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games
I still can't get far in that game. If I'm on the broom I don't pick up things. I also struggle finding the magical objects too, and I keep wasting my spells. Lindsay Cowell -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games From: dark d...@xgam.org Date: 20/12/2013 6:58 pm Have you played Sarah from pcs games? In terms of accessible harry potter games that is very much first on the list. Regarding other games, there is a legend of the green dragon mod based around harry potter called hogwarts live. Gameplay seemed pretty standard for Logd, fight monsters in the forbidden forest with a wand until your tough enough to take on lord voldemort, but it had characters from the books and a couple of extra mechanics like school houses and house points. I've heard of a couple of forum based rp games, one called hogwarts extreme for example, but those are basically role play only with little to no mechanics. In general myself I still think Sarah is the best theme for a game and likely the best model for one either, play a game specific character and explore the hp world, rather than trying to emulate one of the books completely since the books are as much about the investigation, the mystery and the character as the magic, monsters and combat. That's why I tend to think much as with a startrek or Doctor who game you'd be better with a game set around! the potter universe rather than one with specific game characters. for example, how about an exploration action game in which you played an official working for the department for the regulation and control of magical creatures and were tasked (possibly with the assistance of Hagrid, grorp, fang, firense and dobby), with wandering through the forests and mountains around hogwarts castle (and maybe the lake too), looking for the various creatures such as giants, magically controlled snakes and dementors which Voldemort used in his army, (perhaps along with any hiding death eaters), and having to either stun or remove them as a threat. That would be the perfect setting for an exploration action game, say either another fps like Sarah or even a side scroller, and yet would be quite fine within the hp universe and not require something as ridiculous as having harry traverse levels of jumps and crazy traps. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:29 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Harry Potter games I know that there is a thread dealing with Harry Potter muds, but I am not into muds, so I have not been following that thread. Anyone know of any accessible games that deal with the Harry Potter series? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Newest Swamp
Hi gamers. I read that Swamp 3.0 is the latest and greatest in terms of the Swamp game, but on www.kaldobsky.com, the latest version is 2.9D. Any thoughts on this? Where can I get the newest release? -- Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Newest Swamp
Hi, there should be a patch you can download to update the game. -Original Message- From: Dakotah Rickard Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Newest Swamp Hi gamers. I read that Swamp 3.0 is the latest and greatest in terms of the Swamp game, but on www.kaldobsky.com, the latest version is 2.9D. Any thoughts on this? Where can I get the newest release? -- Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Newest Swamp
hi, you basicly ignore the version name he has on his site, as he forgets to update it. lol. this is from the forum, http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=6341 Version 3.0c is posted. You must download the main 3.0 file and then add the very small 3.0c download to it. www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/Swamp.zip Version 3.0 (652 MB) Last updated 11-1-13 at 7:30pm EST. www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/SwampPatch.zip Version 3.0c update patch (1 MB) Last updated 11-4-13 at 2:50pm EST. dallas On 21/12/2013, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, there should be a patch you can download to update the game. -Original Message- From: Dakotah Rickard Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Newest Swamp Hi gamers. I read that Swamp 3.0 is the latest and greatest in terms of the Swamp game, but on www.kaldobsky.com, the latest version is 2.9D. Any thoughts on this? Where can I get the newest release? -- Signed: Dakotah Rickard --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] is there a list specifically for muds?
Subject says it al. Just wondering K --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Shadow Line... again
Hey gang. It's been ages since I've posted... just haven't had much to say lately on the subject of gaming because of how busy I've been. But I've definitely been keeping an eye on the list... anyhow, I just beat one of the Japanese audio games, Shadow Line... after taking a very long break from it. lol And the final boss of the game blew my mind. At least... he did for audio game standards. Thi is probably the most strategy and timing I've needed to use for a boss, as he has four different forms... and each form has some sort of unique quality that requires you to change your game plan at least a little. Anyhow, here's the recording... enjoy and feel free to comment! :D https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3394499/shadow%20line%20final%20battle.mp3 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Charles and all, So moving forward then, how do we address this situation for people so this song does not need to keep getting played over and over and over again? What steps might this community start taking now so that the situation can improve and continue to do so? Obviously this is not only a game-related topic or one only related to upgrades but since it has come up here, then what would be the first steps in people's opinions, to improve this? thanks, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Money, money, money. Who's got the money? The majority of the visually impaired or blind population are unemployed, in a lot of cases, not through any fault of their own. Upgrade with what? Or, even if you are working, if you use products from Freedom Scientific because you think they are the best, most flexible, and most reliable, you've got those darned service maintenance agreements to deal with, and the hardware and software aren't cheap, either. They cost more than the computers they are used on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question hi. personally, I think it's time that the blind gaming community did what most of the real gaming industry did a while back. bring out a game, and say here you go, here are the requirements. its up to you how you deal with that. if a game dev brings out a game that takes advantage of newer hardware / newer software, I'm afraid it's up to the gamer to update and keep with it. they have done that for a long time now. and you don't seem to hear the complaints as much from them about it. sorry, but I think it's time the blind community starts trying to keep up, in stead of holding ourselves back, and then blaming Microsoft or apple or who ever, for all the things they have done wrong. sure. there are things that Microsoft messed up in windows 8. they fixed some of those in windows 8.1, and will soon be fixing more in the next version of windows, either next year, or in 2015. they admit they have made some mistakes, and are going about fixing that. but I'm afraid to say, that as time go's on, it will be harder and harder to support ancient languages and software based on them. it's not because they don't want to, but simply because the cost involved in doing so, is huge. I mean, come on. people are complaining about windows costing what it does now! imagine what they would say, if Microsoft turned around and said, well, we are going to have to charge an extra 50, or 100 dollars per licence, just to keep up support for 10 or 15 year old software and languages. I don't think that would go over well. and not being funny, but one of apples good sides, is that they don't do this. they say, right, here is the new system. this is what it uses. get used to it, or don't use our product. LOL. harsh, but in some ways, they have the right idea. just like they did with 64 bit. in stead of messing around having both 64 and 32 running on the same operating system in effect, as windows does now, they basically switched to pure 64 bit, and said, well, this is what we will use now. all app developers, update your software. I personally think windows should go all out 64 bit, and stop messing around. 64 bit is faster, and lets you actually use all your ram, in stead of only part of it. ahaha. even in XP, if you had 4 GB, you could never use it all! you could only use about 2 GB at any one time. how annoying! and programs running as a proper 64 bit app, are amazingly fast and smooth to work with. course, the only reason they haven't gotten rid of 32 bit, is cause most of the dev's still produce in nothing but 32 bit app's! such as mozilla, for one! they refuse to bring out a 64 bit version of their firefox or thunderbird! which is stupid, considering the security advantages 64 bit gives you. dallas On 20/12/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Sigh...You are probably right about the fact that we have said all that can be said on this subject. I feel like I'm in a boxing match where neither person has made any impact on the other and all we are doing is going round after round not getting anywhere. However, before I close this topic I feel the need to make a correction. Visual Basic 6 apps and games still work on Windows 8. You have to take some extra steps to make them work correctly, but it certainly can be done. In fact, Microsoft released a patch for Windows 8 not too long ago
[Audyssey] Fw: New Game! Choice of the Deathless -- You're not the bad guy. You're just his lawyer.
New Game! Choice of the Deathless -- You're not the bad guy. You're just his lawyer.This came today from choiceofgames so I though people might be interested to know. - Original Message - From: Choice of Games To: d...@xgam.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:03 PM Subject: New Game! Choice of the Deathless -- You're not the bad guy. You're just his lawyer. Download Choice of the Deathless today for iOS, Android, or the Chrome Web Store for Windows, OS X, and Linux. Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. We’re proud to announce that Choice of the Deathless, the latest in our popular “Choice of Games” line of multiple-choice interactive-fiction games, is now available for iOS, Android, and, via the Chrome Web Store, Windows, OS X, and Linux. Battle demons and undead attorneys, and win souls to pay back your student loans! At the elite demonic-law firm of Varkath Nebuchadnezzar Stone, you’ll depose a fallen god, find romance, and maybe even make partner, if you don’t lose your own soul first. “Choice of the Deathless” is a necromantic legal thriller by Max Gladstone, Campbell Award-nominated author of Three Parts Dead and Two Serpents Rise. The game is entirely text-based–without graphics or sound effects–and powered by the vast, unstoppable power of your imagination. a.. Explore a fantasy realm with a rich and evolving backstory, based on the novels published by Tor Books. b.. Play as male or female, gay or straight, dead or alive (or both). c.. Build your career on carefully reasoned contracts, or party all night with the skeletal partners at your firm. d.. Navigate intrigue and mystery in a world of scheming magicians and devious monsters. e.. Look for love in at least some of the right places. f.. Balance student loans, sleep, daily commute, rent payments, and demonic litigation—hey, nobody said being a wizard was always fun. We hope you enjoy playing Choice of the Deathless. We encourage you to tell your friends about it, and recommend the game on StumbleUpon, Facebook, Twitter, and other sites. Don’t forget: our initial download rate determines our ranking on the App Store. The more times you download in the first week, the better our games will rank. follow on Twitter | friend on Facebook | forward to a friend Copyright © 2013 Choice of Games LLC, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because you clicked Subscribe in one of our games and gave us your email address. Our mailing address is: Choice of Games LLC PO 6242 Albany, CA 94706 Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Yeah my eventual plan is to get a more powerfull desk tower to do a lot of this stuff. I don't care about full performance, but I do want as fast as at least my core2 is, I won't want to use all my cpus for a vm anyway. My other plan was to have an old xp box hanging round I have one for now. At 12:56 AM 12/21/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Regarding virtual machines for playing older games etc unfortunately performance will always be something of an issue. You need a lot of ram and CPU power to run a guest operating system in memory and get something like native performance. As a rule of thumb the more ram and CPU power you have to throw at it the better it will run, but it still isn't quite as good as running it on a system natively. However, I personally do not see a better alternative at this point. Both Mac and Linux have Windows emulators, but those are frankly a pain in the butt to get working properly. I've tried playing games like Shades of Doom under Wine on Linux and the game constantly crashes. Others like Jim Kitchen's games work fine on Linux used with Wine. However, emulating software is hit and miss, and is not a perfect solution in any case. To be perfectly honest if someone like yourself is that concerned about hanging onto your older games and applications the best choice is to hold onto your older computer, keep XP on it, and just use it for that expressed purpose. For everything else you can use your new Windows computer for the Internet, e-mail, newer games, etc. That is the only way to have your cake and eat it too. cheers! On 12/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I hope this does not come off to strong, but the reason I am still hanging on to xp is because some games, missippi, and the gma games gtc, lonewolf and sod really don't work that well witn 7. There is also the vb6 issue that will probably eventually come up. Now if the games we have that are done on old code could be updated if they are not being so allready then thats fine. If I know some of those old games will run on better oses, well. The other issue is I still have a lot of dos programs eamon mainly and want either a emulator like dosbox or a 32 bit dos extender that will run on top of windows as part of its command prompt I can use to run 16 bit games in 32 bit mode. I am also looking for accessable vertual machine software that won't slow down the system. on my i5 with 4gb ram, vmware player's vertual machines will slow down to almost nothing. vmware itself really makes my x64 bit system shudder, its in 32 bit mode mainly because I only use 32 bit software and guess what? everything else runs fine I can even run vocaliser express without it stuttering like my xp box does. I also like the win xp sound recorder for some of the sound stuff I do as a basic program. If I can satisfy all those needs, then I'll get my xp box which has a few issues and chuck it out the window, I'll even record it and upload the file to the web. But I doubt I'll ever get all I want so I am really not sure what I will do. My plan is to buy a micro server or a box with insane cpu, ram smart cards and hard drive space and load it up with vms and software that I can remotely boot off anywhere I am remotely and locally. That has its own challenges. However bar that the only other thing I will do is have an xp machine always which will probably mean having an extra system. It may mean running an old version of nvda to but I really have no solution. If there is any way for me to have my cake and eat it then please share. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
grin I remember tom. Ofcause we didn't have nvda then. Everyone was going over from not caring to what they ran their readers and how many ran if you ran 2 by mistake on win98 and lower so what. On the early xp days you got things wrong installed or uninstalled things the wrong way out of order and your display chain was totalled. I did it several times. You could fix this by deleting the chain, reloading the video card, and then rewriting your chains for the interceptors but it was so easy to mangle. Every time I did mangle things which happened weekly if my concentration went or even daily was to reformat. So I turn on something, run something wrongly and then swear. O beeep! I have done it again. Time to reformat again. And we didn't get dcm right away. We have nvda, the concerns are more interface related now. the switch from a desktop environment to a hybred environment is throwing some in a weird way including me, its just a load to handle I know I should be knowing by now but I havn't touched touch and feel like I am still in the deep end. I didn't care before now well. But yeah eventually there will be a time when there will be another big change. At 01:10 AM 12/21/2013, you wrote: Hi Shaun, You want to know what I find amusing about that comment? I think a lot of people in this community have completely forgotten the uproar caused by Microsoft releasing Windows XP. I remember people on the Jaws list and elsewhere swearing up and down they would never upgrade to XP, that XP is trash, that they will use Windows 98 until it dies. Now, some 12 years later exactly the opposite is true. People say things like they got it right with XP but if you were to go back in time and tell everyone that they would not believe you. The moral of the story is that it takes a very long time for the blind community to accept and adopt change. By the time they do they are already behind the mainstream, and will start kicking, screaming, and wining about how bad the changes are. A few years later it is all forgotten about until the next time the evil empire releases a new operating system that forces them to change. Cheers! On 12/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well personally once ms gets it right I just hope they stay right. they got it right with xp. some what with 7 after that its if you like it then fine but if not well. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re:professionalwrestling-Re:ThePsychology of FirstPerson Shooters
It's the lawyers that made the distinction, not me. I personally don't agree with the laws, but they are what they are. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re:professionalwrestling-Re:ThePsychology of FirstPerson Shooters And what do you think legal distinctions are based on in the first place? Ethical and linguistic distinctions used in the concepts made when those laws were written, and those! sorts of distinctions are ones that need to change and evolve with the world and society. As however you've obviously made your mind up on this I don't really think there's much point, plus a discussion of semantic distinctions and the nature of language is very beyond what this list is here for. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re:professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Not at all. This is the legal distinction between an amateur and a professional, regardless of the amount of skill and training they have. Professionals are paid, amateurs are not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professionalwrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Well charlse, law be buggered!this is again one of those categorical states I think where you perhaps draw a strict distinction when in reality things are more fluid, and to me putting an olympic athelete who trains for sevral hours a day in the same category as someone who just goes to the gym once a month is incorrect, and indeed a little insulting. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling-Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters Regardless of the skill of the person, that is the legal distinction. Professionals get paid, amateurs do not. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling -Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters I don't know what the size of a 50 cent peace is exactly, but as my brother is n archer himself I do know some feats in the olympics by archers are quite astounding. To be honest with sports, and to an extent with music simply saying a person is a professional when they get paid doesn't work for me, since to me if a person is a professional, even if they don't get paid it implies the time, and effort they put into a thing and the level at which they do it. I have met fantastic musicians, who don't actually make money from music simply because it's damnably difficult to make a living that way, but perform on a regular basis, often doing performance where the proceeds go to for charity, indeed I've done such things myself. That's why I question the term ameter wrestling when used of an olympic wrestler. Indeed if you lined up the olympic wrestling goldmedel winner beside a star from wwe roar or smackdown and asked me who I considdered the more serious and professional wrestler, I know who I'd say, (at least in most cases, given that some of the stars of show wrestling can do some pretty impressive things). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] amateur versus pro - Re: professional wrestling - Re:The Psychology of FirstPerson Shooters The difference between pro and amateur is that the amateur does not get paid any money for participating and winning. Olympic athletes are every bit as skilled as professionals, but they don't receive money for their endeavors. I have seen Olympic archers shooting at a 48-inch diameter target that has a bull's eye that is about the size of a soda can't top from a distance of 90 meters, which is roughly 100 yards. This was outdoors, so they also had to contend with the wind. Indoors, they shoot at a distance of 18 meters, or about 20 yards, at a
Re: [Audyssey] Shadow Line... again
Wow. That's quite an interesting battle. The music's cool too. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! -Original Message- From: Clement Chou Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 4:44 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Shadow Line... again Hey gang. It's been ages since I've posted... just haven't had much to say lately on the subject of gaming because of how busy I've been. But I've definitely been keeping an eye on the list... anyhow, I just beat one of the Japanese audio games, Shadow Line... after taking a very long break from it. lol And the final boss of the game blew my mind. At least... he did for audio game standards. Thi is probably the most strategy and timing I've needed to use for a boss, as he has four different forms... and each form has some sort of unique quality that requires you to change your game plan at least a little. Anyhow, here's the recording... enjoy and feel free to comment! :D https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3394499/shadow%20line%20final%20battle.mp3 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Message from Aprone
hi guys, Aprone wanted me to send this to the list, in hopes of somebody figuring out what the problem might be, and helping him to solve it. Ever since the recent hacker incident, whenever I try to post to the list I get an email failure notice. - someone on here will hopefully post a solution that gets me able to post on-list once again. Because I can't post on the list, I can't ask anyone for help on fixing it. Aprone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] New from RS Games: I Doubt It/Zombie Dice
Hello, Today, December 20, 2013, marks the fourth anniversary of RS Games. We have grown from a single game, Monopoly, which ran on a single platform, to cross platform, online gaming network, consisting of 15 games, including the new releases we have for all of you. We have nearly 16,000 registered players from all corners of the world. In celebration of our fourth anniversary, we are excited to announce the release of two new games, Zombie Dice and I Doubt It! Zombie Dice is a game with elements of Press Your Luck where the goal is to obtain 13 brains by rolling dice. I Doubt It is a turn-based card game, where your goal is to get rid of your cards, as quickly as possible. Honesty (or lack thereof) and luck are necessary to be victorious. Thanks go out to our beta testers for helping to ensure the release goes as smoothly as possible. We want to thank all of our players for supporting us over the past four years. We hope to continue to bring you new games and improvements for years to come. We hope you enjoy the new games! As always, the new games are available from the games menu when you log in to the client. To check out the instructions for playing the games, click on the Read the RS Games Documentation link on our home page. Thank you Audyssey! -Ryan RS Games, Co-Founder www.rsgames.org --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Message from Aprone
I'm sure tom would be able to help out with this. At 01:33 PM 12/21/2013, you wrote: hi guys, Aprone wanted me to send this to the list, in hopes of somebody figuring out what the problem might be, and helping him to solve it. Ever since the recent hacker incident, whenever I try to post to the list I get an email failure notice. - someone on here will hopefully post a solution that gets me able to post on-list once again. Because I can't post on the list, I can't ask anyone for help on fixing it. Aprone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New from RS Games: I Doubt It/Zombie Dice
Hi Ryan, Those are some impressive numbers man, if those are all unique subscriptions, you've got BA beat 40 to 1 with members, congratulations. I tried emailing you from the RS Games page a while back to see if you would be interested in having BA advertise at RSGames, but I didn't hear anything back. You may think BA having ads there is a conflict of interest, but I personally don't think so, I think us helping you guys with money to keep some wind in your sails would be good for you guys, and the exposure would be good for us, and bring in a few folks that would be willing to use a commercial site for playing some card games. Anyhow, wanted to hit you up here in case you didn't get my email previously. If your interested, or would just like to talk some shop, email me off list, love to talk to ya. Email is: blindadrenal...@gmail.com Thanks, Che -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Smith Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Cc: RSGames Discussion Subject: [Audyssey] New from RS Games: I Doubt It/Zombie Dice Hello, Today, December 20, 2013, marks the fourth anniversary of RS Games. We have grown from a single game, Monopoly, which ran on a single platform, to cross platform, online gaming network, consisting of 15 games, including the new releases we have for all of you. We have nearly 16,000 registered players from all corners of the world. In celebration of our fourth anniversary, we are excited to announce the release of two new games, Zombie Dice and I Doubt It! Zombie Dice is a game with elements of Press Your Luck where the goal is to obtain 13 brains by rolling dice. I Doubt It is a turn-based card game, where your goal is to get rid of your cards, as quickly as possible. Honesty (or lack thereof) and luck are necessary to be victorious. Thanks go out to our beta testers for helping to ensure the release goes as smoothly as possible. We want to thank all of our players for supporting us over the past four years. We hope to continue to bring you new games and improvements for years to come. We hope you enjoy the new games! As always, the new games are available from the games menu when you log in to the client. To check out the instructions for playing the games, click on the Read the RS Games Documentation link on our home page. Thank you Audyssey! -Ryan RS Games, Co-Founder www.rsgames.org --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
