Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
i say if you would attend, the challenge is to organize one (said by the serial attender) the nice thing about glamcamp was training; empowering editors to organize events; it could start as a low cost, wikisalon, then move to editathon (if you build some contacts with an institution) does take some time, but the salons could just be hey everyone, i'm hanging out here at a regular time try it, nothing to lose. slow On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:44 AM, María Sefidari kewlshr...@yahoo.es wrote: I love the idea of a Wikiwomencamp version 2.0. I thought the one in Buenos Aires was such a breath of fresh air at the time. Please let me know how I can best help. Kind regards, María Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil El 2/12/2014, a las 0:46, G. White whiteghost@gmail.com escribió: How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be better than a bay. :) Whiteghost.ink On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: I'd attend a Bay Area meetup! -VAL On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Valerie Aurora Executive Director You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and culture! Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
A few of us live in the dc area as well. Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think hes just trying to be helpful. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: Lennart Guldbrandsson Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM To: Gendergap; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from Sweden :-/ Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål. Jimmy Wales Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Russavia claims he did not start it. On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, regu...@gmail.com regu...@gmail.com wrote: A few of us live in the dc area as well. Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think hes just trying to be helpful. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- *From: *Lennart Guldbrandsson *Date: *Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM *To: *Gendergap; *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from Sweden :-/ Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal @aliasHannibal http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal - på Twitter *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap* http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida*. Det är vårt mål.* Jimmy Wales -- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job. This was a targeted attack on Russavia by someone deliberately pretending to be them. It's a malicious form of attack intended to have Wikimedians take action on each other in error in order to cause disruption. With more sophisticated spoofing going on it is something we all need to stay aware of. Fae On 10 December 2014 at 15:32, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Russavia claims he did not start it. On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, regu...@gmail.com regu...@gmail.com wrote: ... Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think hes just trying to be helpful. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Thanks, i take back everything i said. I have never more wrong. I have since found out that isnt russavia nor do i beli leve that group was started in good faith. I have since remived myself from it. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: Sarah Stierch Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Russavia claims he did not start it. On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, regu...@gmail.com regu...@gmail.com wrote: A few of us live in the dc area as well. Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think hes just trying to be helpful. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: Lennart Guldbrandsson Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 6:08 AM To: Gendergap; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from Sweden :-/ Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål. Jimmy Wales Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Is there a term (like joe job) for when someone pretends to be you to get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP address deleted some info https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=100tagfilter=title=Special%3AContributionscontribs=usertarget=69.16.147.185namespace=tagfilter=year=2014month=12 that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's *possible* it was someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my block. Lightbreather On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job. This was a targeted attack on Russavia by someone deliberately pretending to be them. It's a malicious form of attack intended to have Wikimedians take action on each other in error in order to cause disruption. With more sophisticated spoofing going on it is something we all need to stay aware of. Fae On 10 December 2014 at 15:32, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Russavia claims he did not start it. On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, regu...@gmail.com regu...@gmail.com wrote: ... Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think hes just trying to be helpful. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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That is joe jobbing. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: LB Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Is there a term (like joe job) for when someone pretends to be you to get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP address deleted some info that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's possible it was someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my block. Lightbreather On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job. This was a targeted attack on Russavia by someone deliberately pretending to be them. It's a malicious form of attack intended to have Wikimedians take action on each other in error in order to cause disruption. With more sophisticated spoofing going on it is something we all need to stay aware of. Fae On 10 December 2014 at 15:32, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Russavia claims he did not start it. On Dec 10, 2014 6:09 AM, regu...@gmail.com regu...@gmail.com wrote: ... Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too upset about the invitations to it even though some folks dont like him. I think hes just trying to be helpful. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud... On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote: That is joe jobbing. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- *From: *LB *Date: *Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM *To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Is there a term (like joe job) for when someone pretends to be you to get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP address deleted some info https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=100tagfilter=title=Special%3AContributionscontribs=usertarget=69.16.147.185namespace=tagfilter=year=2014month=12 that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's /possible/ it was someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my block. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud... On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote: That is joe jobbing. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- *From: *LB *Date: *Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM *To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Is there a term (like joe job) for when someone pretends to be you to get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP address deleted some info https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=100tagfilter=title=Special%3AContributionscontribs=usertarget=69.16.147.185namespace=tagfilter=year=2014month=12 that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's *possible* it was someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my block. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but they a r e userping someones identity for personal gain. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: Nathan Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 12:49 PM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud... On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote: That is joe jobbing. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: LB Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Is there a term (like joe job) for when someone pretends to be you to get you into trouble? In my case, after I'd already been blocked for a week, an IP address deleted some info that I'd asked to have revdeled. It's possible it was someone who thought they were helping me, but it's also possible - maybe probable - that someone did it maliciously so an admin would think I was dodging my block. Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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On 12/10/2014 12:47 PM, Nathan wrote: No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind. On 12/10/2014 1:01 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote: That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but they a r e userping someones identity for personal gain. How do you know? For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have been promoting, sometimes for years. GGTF has too many snoopy, boat rocking editors. Getting rid of such editors allows them to continue to make money without pesky snoops. If faking IPs helps discredit those editors and get them blocked, so they can continue their secret paid editing, that's fraud. Or maybe someone who doesn't like GGTF or Lightbreather paid someone $50 to fake the IP and Lightbreather-like comments in order to cover their tracks. Maybe there's someone making a good living faking 3 or 4 IPs a week in some topic area where some organization wants to discredit some BLPs or companies or even a whole nation. So they flood the topic area with socks from phony IPs and then it's easy to claim new editors are socks and get rid of them before they can learn the ropes and deal with POV edits. I'm sure there are all sorts of more examples of what might be happening we could come up with. So don't claim there is no fraud when there could be fraud going on... CM ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: How do you know? For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have been promoting, sometimes for years. GGTF has too many snoopy, boat rocking editors. Getting rid of such editors allows them to continue to make money without pesky snoops. If faking IPs helps discredit those editors and get them blocked, so they can continue their secret paid editing, that's fraud. Or maybe someone who doesn't like GGTF or Lightbreather paid someone $50 to fake the IP and Lightbreather-like comments in order to cover their tracks. Maybe there's someone making a good living faking 3 or 4 IPs a week in some topic area where some organization wants to discredit some BLPs or companies or even a whole nation. So they flood the topic area with socks from phony IPs and then it's easy to claim new editors are socks and get rid of them before they can learn the ropes and deal with POV edits. I'm sure there are all sorts of more examples of what might be happening we could come up with. So don't claim there is no fraud when there could be fraud going on... CM Those are some outlandishly unlikely scenarios, just as unlikely as you being secretly an impersonator of the real Carol Moore hired to defame the real Carol by getting banned on Wikipedia. As I said, outlandish and unlikely. In the absence of evidence of fraud, concluding that fraud exists (Let's call it what it is... Internet fraud) defies reason. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Speculation on the monetary gain definition of fraud is lots of fun. However, we all know fraud has a wider meaning as two dictionary definitions show. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud 1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick 2. a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fraud?s=t noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage. 2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds. 3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time. 4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur. I think most people who were victim of some false email pretending they engaged in obnoxous or illegal behavior would say the email was a fraud and the person who sent it was one too.. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Good points carol and i would add that i dont trust the checkuser tool more than 50%. Its easy to fool, hard to read the data and interpret the results. 90% of it is gut instinct and spotting vocal trends and writing style by the user. I have seen first hand that not only is it prone to error, but many in the community give it far more trust than it deserves. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device -- Original message-- From: Carol Moore dc Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 1:15 PM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? On 12/10/2014 12:47 PM, Nathan wrote: No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind. On 12/10/2014 1:01 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote: That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but they a r e userping someones identity for personal gain. How do you know? For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have been promoting, sometimes for years. GGTF has too many snoopy, boat rocking editors. Getting rid of such editors allows them to continue to make money without pesky snoops. If faking IPs helps discredit those editors and get them blocked, so they can continue their secret paid editing, that's fraud. Or maybe someone who doesn't like GGTF or Lightbreather paid someone $50 to fake the IP and Lightbreather-like comments in order to cover their tracks. Maybe there's someone making a good living faking 3 or 4 IPs a week in some topic area where some organization wants to discredit some BLPs or companies or even a whole nation. So they flood the topic area with socks from phony IPs and then it's easy to claim new editors are socks and get rid of them before they can learn the ropes and deal with POV edits. I'm sure there are all sorts of more examples of what might be happening we could come up with. So don't claim there is no fraud when there could be fraud going on... CM ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Speculation on the monetary gain definition of fraud is lots of fun. However, we all know fraud has a wider meaning as two dictionary definitions show. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud 1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick 2. a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fraud?s=t noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage. 2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds. 3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time. 4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur. I think most people who were victim of some false email pretending they engaged in obnoxous or illegal behavior would say the email was a fraud and the person who sent it was one too.. I suspect Internet fraud has a narrower definition. In any case, an IP with a single edit removing information that someone else asked be removed is not proof even of deception, let alone any definition of fraud. And as convincing as LB's protests sound (and they do sound convincing), Risker and other people with CU experience have declined to overturn or speak against the block extension. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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I love the idea of a Wikiwomencamp version 2.0. I thought the one in Buenos Aires was such a breath of fresh air at the time. Please let me know how I can best help. Kind regards, María Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil El 2/12/2014, a las 0:46, G. White whiteghost@gmail.com escribió: How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be better than a bay. :) Whiteghost.ink On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: I'd attend a Bay Area meetup! -VAL On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Valerie Aurora Executive Director You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and culture! Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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I'm up for a Sydney meet-up! Kerry _ From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of G. White Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 9:47 AM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participationof women within Wikimedia projects. Subject: Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be better than a bay. :) Whiteghost.ink On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: I'd attend a Bay Area meetup! -VAL On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Valerie Aurora Executive Director You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and culture! Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from Sweden :-/ Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål. Jimmy Wales Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
Hi! Wikimedia DC is planning to hold another iteration of the Diversity Conference, which has a strong gender gap component. More details to come. :) -Emily On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: We were discussing the same thing here in the Netherlands. I think we want to try to hold another ArtFeminism edit-a-thon next year along with the New York version, but we wanted to do something more as well, especially because it's so hard to even explain what the gendergap is. Some people confuse it with the gender pay gap (and honestly I have no idea whether there is a gender pay gap for Wikimedia organisations, but it may help to list that as one aspect, if only to show that this is NOT what we are talking about) On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote: I think that's a great idea, and I would love to come, but it's a long way from Sweden :-/ Best wishes, Lennart Guldbrandsson 070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg Presentation http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal @aliasHannibal http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal - på Twitter *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till **världens samlade kunskap* http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida*. Det är vårt mål.* Jimmy Wales -- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:07:51 -0800 From: rkald...@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
Great idea! Are there enough people on the list within striking distance of London to make this a possible venue too? Any evening, week commencing 15 December? Or propose a date. Roberta *Roberta Wedge* *Gender Gap Project, **Wikimedia UK* roberta.we...@wikimedia.org.uk 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT +44 (0)20 7065 0921 Wikimedia UK is the British chapter of a global movement. We support, but do not control, Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and other related Wikimedia projects. Wikimedia UK is both a limited company (Registered No. 6741827) and a charity (Registered No.1144513). Visit wikimedia.org.uk http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 1 December 2014 at 05:07, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
Manchester to London, bit too far for time / distance a fortnight before Christmas for me. Marie From: roberta.we...@wikimedia.org.uk Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:44:02 -0500 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up? Great idea! Are there enough people on the list within striking distance of London to make this a possible venue too? Any evening, week commencing 15 December? Or propose a date. RobertaRoberta WedgeGender Gap Project, Wikimedia ukroberta.we...@wikimedia.org.uk 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT+44 (0)20 7065 0921 Wikimedia UK is the British chapter of a global movement. We support, but do not control, Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and other related Wikimedia projects.Wikimedia UK is both a limited company (Registered No. 6741827) and a charity (Registered No.1144513). Visit wikimedia.org.uk and @wikimediauk On 1 December 2014 at 05:07, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
I'd attend a Bay Area meetup! -VAL On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Valerie Aurora Executive Director You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and culture! Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
How about Sydney? We have women, sunshine and a harbour - that has to be better than a bay. :) Whiteghost.ink On 2 December 2014 at 07:44, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: I'd attend a Bay Area meetup! -VAL On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone else feel like it might be time for a gender gap meet-up? I love the mailing list, but it's such a limited (and formal) means of communication. I'm curious what kind of ideas and discussion would come from an in-person get together. I know several of the people on this list are in the Bay Area, so maybe we could put something together in San Francisco or Oakland. Does this sound like an interesting idea to anyone? Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Valerie Aurora Executive Director You can help increase the participation of women in open technology and culture! Donate today at http://adainitiative.org/donate/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
