Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
Hi Robert, I've read the document and it is in great shape. I've added a new issue in JIRA [1] with a patch that does the following: Fixes for US english, minor spelling error, and added some post graduation tasks that typically get overlooked: - update pom.xml for mailing lists, repo and site - update 3rd party list archives for new mailing lists Martijn [1] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-64 -- Learn Wicket at ApacheCon Europe: http://apachecon.com Join the wicket community at irc.freenode.net: ##wicket Wicket 1.2.6 contains a very important fix. Download Wicket now! http://wicketframework.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/13/07, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, I've read the document and it is in great shape. I've added a new issue in JIRA [1] with a patch that does the following: Fixes for US english, minor spelling error, and added some post graduation tasks that typically get overlooked: - update pom.xml for mailing lists, repo and site - update 3rd party list archives for new mailing lists looks good. unless anyone beats me to it, i'll take a look at this after craig has committed his patch. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/12/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me, or did someone remove log4php and log4net from the stylesheet and forget to update the site? I get lots of diffs after updating the site and then generating it... nope turned out that there were a lot of license headers that have never been updated to the current form. i've committed fixes for this and back ported the log4* issues. once you update, revert the html documents, touch the xml documents you changed and then regenerated the problems should be fixed. I have made a bunch of further typo corrections to the graduation guide that I'll commit once I get the site stylesheet issue figured out. great - i hope that these issues should now be resolved and that you should be able to commit these changes (once you've fixed your local version) - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/12/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Looks really good to me - the only comment I would make is the use of the word serendipity which isn't a particularly common and may be confusing, esp. for non-native English speakers. serendipity is not a common word but seems appropriate to me for the situation described can anyone come up with a good alternative? otherwise, i'll add a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/13/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I don't get into the habit of replying to my own emails. Why not? hehe On May 12, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: One substantive comment: Under the recommendation vote, I don't think a Mentor should start the vote in the community. It should be one of the PPMC members. I think by the time a project is ready to graduate, the Mentors are playing much more of a coaching role than an active role, and letting the PPMC members take over project management. +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 5/12/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Looks really good to me - the only comment I would make is the use of the word serendipity which isn't a particularly common and may be confusing, esp. for non-native English speakers. serendipity is not a common word but seems appropriate to me for the situation described can anyone come up with a good alternative? How about: Communication through other channels also reduces the chance of accidental discovery/insight/innovation. (you might pick one of these words, or even use all 3...). -Marshall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
robert burrell donkin wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. I'm leaping late into this review, looking at the latest on the web site. Very nice. A couple suggestions: (1) An Open And Diverse Community section Let's spell out what we mean by diverse and diversity -- the actual graduation requirement is to have at least three legally independent committers: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project) [1] Side note: there was a discussion on the women@ list about diversity last August; the discussion thread starts at [2]. One of my guilts is having not followed up with [EMAIL PROTECTED] about that discussion. (2) Security section These issues may either be dealt with on a separate list or by the private list. What separate list? Why wouldn't a project address security concerns on the pmc private list? over all, this doc is shaping up great. Nice job! -jean [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-women/200608.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/13/07, Jean T. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. I'm leaping late into this review not late at all - this is the right time :-) A couple suggestions: (1) An Open And Diverse Community section Let's spell out what we mean by diverse and diversity -- the actual graduation requirement is to have at least three legally independent committers: The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the project) [1] yeh - probably want to link the requirement and add some explanation i've tried to avoid narrowing the discussion to the set criteria and instead talk about the broader benefits. maybe this new content would work best as a coda right at the end so that people have to read through all the rest. haven't really talked about control by a single corporate entity. i'm aware that this an issue but i can't think of the right words ATM... Side note: there was a discussion on the women@ list about diversity last August; the discussion thread starts at [2]. One of my guilts is having not followed up with [EMAIL PROTECTED] about that discussion. not sure i have good answers. probably needs it's own thread. (2) Security section These issues may either be dealt with on a separate list or by the private list. What separate list? Why wouldn't a project address security concerns on the pmc private list? some projects find it easier to deal with security issues in this way. this approach allows a different (usually much smaller) group of people to handle security issues. this limits the chances of accidental disclosure. the current netiquette for security issues is also quite difficult for PMCers who are not experienced in this area. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/10/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. I fixed a couple of links/anchors: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revrevision=536731 thanks The only comment I have for the On Community part of the Notes section is emphasising more that community at the ASF exists on mailing lists. Probably something we take for granted - but may not be obvious for newcomers. F2F conversations, IRC, private mail may all be well and good, but they are non-existent as far as ASF community goes, unless things are taken back to the list. IMO it would be good to start this section emphasising this and the fact that the mailing list archive is the tangible evidence on the health of a community. i've rewritten and expanded that section for the second draft take a look and see what you think - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/10/07, Xavier Hanin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/10/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. The guide looks good to me, things are clear and well stated as far as I can say. One minor thing: in On Community, when you say it can be beneficial to vote and accept a couple of new contributors, shouldn't it be committers? We don't have to vote for contributors, or should we? nope i've redrafted that passage for the second draft. please take a look and see what you think - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review second draft of graduation.html [WAS Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide]
On 5/12/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. based on feedback, here's the second draft again, if you can find the time, please take a look and post feedback etc It seems the site is not updated yet. We should better wait a bit before reviewing this second draft on line :-) Xavier - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant Manage your dependencies with Ivy! http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
[docs] Please review second draft of graduation.html [WAS Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide]
On 5/9/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. based on feedback, here's the second draft again, if you can find the time, please take a look and post feedback etc - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/12/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/10/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. I fixed a couple of links/anchors: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revrevision=536731 thanks The only comment I have for the On Community part of the Notes section is emphasising more that community at the ASF exists on mailing lists. Probably something we take for granted - but may not be obvious for newcomers. F2F conversations, IRC, private mail may all be well and good, but they are non-existent as far as ASF community goes, unless things are taken back to the list. IMO it would be good to start this section emphasising this and the fact that the mailing list archive is the tangible evidence on the health of a community. i've rewritten and expanded that section for the second draft take a look and see what you think Looks really good to me - the only comment I would make is the use of the word serendipity which isn't a particularly common and may be confusing, esp. for non-native English speakers. Niall - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
I hope I don't get into the habit of replying to my own emails. Why not? On May 12, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: One substantive comment: Under the recommendation vote, I don't think a Mentor should start the vote in the community. It should be one of the PPMC members. I think by the time a project is ready to graduate, the Mentors are playing much more of a coaching role than an active role, and letting the PPMC members take over project management. Craig Craig Russell DB PMC, OpenJPA PPMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://db.apache.org/jdo smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/10/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. The guide looks good to me, things are clear and well stated as far as I can say. One minor thing: in On Community, when you say it can be beneficial to vote and accept a couple of new contributors, shouldn't it be committers? We don't have to vote for contributors, or should we? Xavier - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant Manage your dependencies with Ivy! http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
[docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [docs] Please review first draft of graduation guide
On 5/9/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html now has a reasonable quantity of content. the organisation could probably be improved, some necessary content has probably been missed and more proof reading would be good. so, this is a good time to post the draft for review. if you can find time, please take a look and post feedback to this thread, open a JIRA or just patch the document. I fixed a couple of links/anchors: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revrevision=536731 The only comment I have for the On Community part of the Notes section is emphasising more that community at the ASF exists on mailing lists. Probably something we take for granted - but may not be obvious for newcomers. F2F conversations, IRC, private mail may all be well and good, but they are non-existent as far as ASF community goes, unless things are taken back to the list. IMO it would be good to start this section emphasising this and the fact that the mailing list archive is the tangible evidence on the health of a community. Otherwise looks good to me. Niall - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
