Fwd: Bad link on
FYI Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 13 October 2005 09:26:02 BDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bad link on In the paragraph entitled Watch where you are sending email. On the page http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html The following link http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to- useful.mhtml is actually to a link's farm and not the expected content. Martin Spamer smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released
On 25/6/03 2:49 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one? Jexl is my own concoction to do what the JSTL EL does with extensions, w/o worry about some of the limitations of the EL (such as access to methods...) Ah! :-) Because I always used the JSP spec to guide me in the use of JEXL expressions.. Jelly uses Jexl, and Maven use Jelly, so there is some use :) I'm just digging around for expression languages, and was wondering about the differences (as they do look way similar)... Anyhow, I just opted to use JXPATH :-) Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released
Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one? Pier Jan Luehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Commons EL team is pleased to announce the first official release of Commons EL from the Apache Software Foundation. Commons EL provides an interpreter for the Expression Language that is part of the JavaServer Pages (JSP) specification, version 2.0. For more details, see the Release Notes at http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/commons/el/RELEASE-NOTES.txt The binary distribution is available at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi, and the source distribution at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi Please remember to verify the signatures of the distribution bundles using the keys found at http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/commons/el/KEYS For more information on Commons EL, go to http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/el.html Jan Luehe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun
Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: The rumor is from developers I know of a commercial J2EE vendor that no one passes all the tests. But since they pay, that makes you certified. I worked for Sun Micro for almost two years, in the J2EE team, and unless something changed in the policy over there (which I don't think, as I know each single one in that team), this is absolutely untrue. Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you think JBoss' huge success has something to do with Sun's animosity? Every developer I know who has a say on the platform uses JBoss: better product, better documentation, better support, lower price. Don't read me wrong: I'm on the JBoss-side on this, in that *the project* should be able to present itself on a JUG event. When comparing *JBossGroup* with the ASF however (if that would be possible at all), I partially understand Pier's reservations. This doesn't mean SunBE is right on this, however. The fact a (pardon me) marketing lowlife believes he can silently get away with that is once again a great occasion to help such people see the cluetrain is arriving. I *would* agree if the other vendors weren't being permitted. I fail to see what compliance should have to do with it. Its a Javapolis not a J2EEpolis. All other vendors are permitted, and all other vendors had to pay for their compliancy... Why is JBoss Group LLC different? Noone AFAIK ever told them no you can't, I believe they were just told please pay the fee exactly like every other vendor does. Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun
On 28/5/03 9:08 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun should be happy that people create cheap implementations of their APIs. If their own implementations would be any better, they might also be making money of them. ;) Nothing against that, absolutely, but voices are saying that JBoss Group LLC is unwilling to pay for the compliancy tests and certification, which everyone else in the market pays... Voices also say that Sun offered them quite a substantial discount, but they didn't accept. I fail to see what is the difference between JBoss Group LLC and any other private/public corporation developing a J2EE solution... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: broken links
Not acked -- Forwarded Message From: Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:28:48 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: broken links There are two sort-of broken links on this page: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/library.html They are the references to The Cathedral and the Bazaar and Homesteading the Noosphere. Eric Raymond's site is no longer served from www.tuxedo.org/~esr , I have heard that this may be temporary but the content is currently available at http://catb.org/~esr/ . Erik -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eyebrowse problem?
On 20/3/03 21:03 Magesh Umasankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I get when trying to look up any archived message thread is $msgHeaders as the meat of it. What is going on? We're aware of it... Will be fixed hopefully soon... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
On 18/3/03 11:33 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 10:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 17/3/03 1:24 Hans Bergsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that there's been problem with the Servlet EG this time around, but what I'm saying is that there are avenues that we _could_ have used to voice our concerns, but we didn't for some reason. There are a number of mailing lists and online forums where developers interested in the fate of the spec hangs out. We could have started discussions there, and urged people to send feedback to Sun. This is why I feel that my work as the official representative to that EG has been a failure :-( _MY_ failure... Well - it's always easy to look back and see what you could have done differently. Is it too late? Yes... Certain new features are in... Not much we can do now... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
On 12/3/03 6:53 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 10:58 PM, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate in the implementation of API specs like servlet and JSP (see the history of Tomcat development, and the recent innovation going on there for an example), just like there is lots of room to be creative in implementing something like HTTP, which has been done, and continues to be done, in a very large number of implementations in a very large number of languages -- despite the fact that the W3C standards process, like many others, includes periods of time when only the privileged few are allowed to be involved. Take it a step further - how many internationally recognized standards processes will allow a single individual to propose, develop and deliver a standard? The JCP will... Yes, but why can I share with my friends concerns on the new W3C specifications and confront them in public, while I cannot do that with the JCP specifications??? Geir, I _really_ am in troubles when dealing with Servlets. I cannot raise issues on the tomcat-dev mailing lists, all I can do is discuss them with Jon and Jason, as they both are on the spec... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
On 16/3/03 20:20 Hans Bergsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir, I _really_ am in troubles when dealing with Servlets. I cannot raise issues on the tomcat-dev mailing lists, all I can do is discuss them with Jon and Jason, as they both are on the spec... You can raise and discuss your concerns in public as soon as a public draft of the spec is available, and there are at least two public drafts before the spec is finalized; plenty of time to make sure the larger community is aware of, and agrees with, what's being suggested. The NDA in the JCP agreement only applies to confidential information. After a public draft has been published, the info it contains is no longer confidential. As you are on the EG yourself, you know how hard it is to have one word removed from the next revision of the spec once it gets in :-) Just thinking out loud... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
On 16/3/03 23:32 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I *think* that you should be able to discuss the issues with any ASF member, if you are representing the ASF on the EG, not just other EG members. We all are bound by the agreements made by the ASF. In fact I post my concerns to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and from time to time to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well... But I can't to tomcat-dev (I know only two developers involved with the RI which are members: Remy and Craig, and the latter is on that list in virtue of his employment with Sun - looking at me Jon and Jason making fool of ourselves, of course) Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
On 17/3/03 1:24 Hans Bergsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that there's been problem with the Servlet EG this time around, but what I'm saying is that there are avenues that we _could_ have used to voice our concerns, but we didn't for some reason. There are a number of mailing lists and online forums where developers interested in the fate of the spec hangs out. We could have started discussions there, and urged people to send feedback to Sun. This is why I feel that my work as the official representative to that EG has been a failure :-( _MY_ failure... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
On 11/3/03 23:40 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I'm saying that projects which some committers are bound by Sun's NDAs and are on the specification commmittees do not have meritocratic consensus based communities. The committers engaged in the legal agreement with sun cannot talk to the other committers about important decisions affecting the project and secondly the major decisions are made in the specification committee and not in the project itself. Committers are promoted to the decision making process by an outside entity (sun) and not by their own community. The communication bonds twart collaboration which degrades innovation. I am the official Apache representative for Servlet, and in my personal experience it is quite difficult to voice some concerns I have on the direction of the with the developer community of Jakarta, because, as you said, I am not supposed to mention what goes on in the JSR lists in public whilst over in Apache land I'm not supposed to keep something private. The JCP does not encourage innovative processes which Sun or the Spec lead might disagree with. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't... We have example swinging both ways, the spec lead enforcing something on the JSR expert group, or in other cases, the expert group driven by the community outside forcing something on the spec lead... Most of the times, in my experience, it all comes down to how receptive the spec lead is in regards to new ideas coming from outside, and how much weight he has in his company (the JSR sponsoring company)... But my experience is too little to say what happens more often. Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?
Paulo Silveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry not giving a link the other time. Here is Apache voting against JSR 127 long time ago. http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/results?id=614 You can see Apache´s comment: On 2001-05-28 Apache Software Foundation voted No with the following comment: This JSR conflicts with the Apache open source project Struts. Considering Sun's current position that JSRs may not be independently implemented under an open source license, we see little value in recreating a technology in a closed environment that is already available in an open environment. I would simply like to point out WHO is the specification lead of JSR-127 (see http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=127), and who was the initial author of Struts (see http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/volunteers.html)... Apache's concerns were Considering Sun's current position that JSRs may not be independently implemented under an open source license [...], and I'll let you make 1 + 1 here... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: the following committers have passed the PMC nomination vote proposed by sam ruby: - Danny Angus - Peter Carlson - Morgan Delagrange - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff i'm sending this to let you all know. the role of jakarta PMC is changing but rather than give an opinion and pretend some authority i don't have, take a look at this thread: What do you means by passed the PMC nomination ? I'm confused with the original mail where many commiters were elected as Jakarta PMC members ? I am more than you are, as my name pops on and off the proposed PMC members as yours does depending on the mood of the day... Pier :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I nominate Pier Fumagalli for membership in the Jakarta PMC, for a period exceeding that of any Italian post-war government. +1 I thank you and esteem the trust you guys have in me, and I feel honored of this nomination. But (there's always a but) I literally have no bandwidth to bear the oversighting responsibilities that a PMC member should fulfill. If I have/want to be a PMC member, I need to be an active one. Therefore, although extremely flattered by this offer, I will have to reject. I have a more-than-full time job, two major involvements with two open source projects outside the scope of this PMC (Jetty and Cocoon), two cats and I'm also trying to work on the girlfriend part... Thank you very much for your support and friendship... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PMC Nomination
On 19/2/03 17:18 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffrey Dever wrote: I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons HttpClient where all committers vote on all issues all the time, including releases. HttpClient is somewhat unusual in commons as it is rather a large project with a dedicated mailing list and a rich family where many, such as myself, are primarily focused on just one project, HttpClient. The goal is to make all active committers PMC members. I think this is utterly wrong for an umbrella project like Jakarta. Being PMC member in my little book of horrors come with quite a little bit of responsibilities over _ALL_ projects managed by that PMC. Now, under Jakarta, there might be projects on which one might like to be involved and spend time on (therefore bearing the responsibilities of being a PMC member over _that_ particular code base), but there might be project that one don't want to be even remotely associated with... So, unless this: The PMC is responsible for the strategic direction and success of the Jakarta Project. This governing body is expected to ensure the project's welfare and guide its overall direction. Found here http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html Changes to identify that individual PMC members might have oversight only on a fraction (subproject) of the whole project, I would be against it. It's just a matter of roles and _responsibilities_... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PMC Nomination
On 19/2/03 21:31 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 19/2/03 17:18 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The goal is to make all active committers PMC members. I think this is utterly wrong for an umbrella project like Jakarta. Interesting. 100% of the ASF board members that I have talked to have given me exactly the opposite advice. I am executing on their recommendations. This is not a convincing enough argument to make me change my point of view. Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PMC Nomination
On 19/2/03 23:00 Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess what? No need for that at all! The additional responsibility being on a PMC entails wasn't additional at all. Avalon is ONE project... Jakarta, I can't count them with my hands AND feet. Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PMC Nomination
On 20/2/03 2:34 Conor MacNeill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit like saying the government is responsible for running the country. That doesn't mean every minister will have expertise in every portfolio Ministers might not know the details, but know the overall direction and actions of all the other portfolios... And if that works for Italy, I believe it works everywhere else... Pier (mum works down with the politics in Italy, somehow) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
On 17/2/03 7:25 Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier, Ceki, Jason and Ted are covered by the re-add former PMC members who want to be PMC members again plan you've hinted at. I wasn't on the PMC last year, it was two years ago... Anyhow, I am on the PMC list only because I respond to webmaster@jakarta, and sometimes it's useful to forward stuff over there. BTW, if someone in the PMC wants to take on that job, I can't handle it that well ATM, so it might be better served by someone more close to Jakarta as a whole. As I am no longer involved with any of the Jakarta subproject, please don't consider me as an active PMC member (not even an inactive PMC member)... On 21/1/03 19:14 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All good nominations. Pier, Ceki, Jason, and Ted previously served as PMC members and declined their renominations, but I plan to talk to them about that. At a minimum, they will be restored as emeritus members. Sam, I literally have no bandwidth to bear the oversighting responsibilities that a PMC member should fulfill. If I have/want to be a PMC member, I need to be an active one, one more passive name on the list just adds confusion IMO. Take care y'all... Pier (BTW, I read general once a week, so for urgent stuff, CC me) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Licensing again.
On 10/2/03 4:05 Lawrence E. Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be noted that Apache Software Foundation members are the legal *owners* of the software that is available under the Apache Software License. Indeed, that is one of the key benefits to becoming an ASF member, as opposed to just a committer on one or more projects. It seems perfectly reasonable that decisions on the license under which that software is licensed should be made by the people that own it. I'm curious. What is the legal basis for this claim of ownership? The fact that each contributor, prior access to our CVS repository, signs a paper saying that for whatever goes in CVS, he assigns copyright and ownership of the code to the ASF... No more no less than what any random employee of a software company does with his employer... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Maven as a top-level apache project]
On 9/2/03 2:05 Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why not: DISPLAY the damn license and require the user to type I do understand the terms of this licence and click somewhere ( that may also cover the requirements of some of the packages ). Click-through is something we always wanted to avoid... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nagoya.apache.org Administrator
On 5/2/03 16:48 Nathan Christiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list know who I would need to contact at nagoya.apache.org in order to change my E-mail address on my Bugzilla account? My company has changed names and therefore my E-mail address has changed. The old E-mail will still work for a couple of more months, but I would like to change it now. I am watching several bugs and would like to refrain from having to create a new account and add the bugs to the new account, then remove them from the old. Any help would be appreciated. You can do it yourself in one of the options at the bottom (I suppose)... Otherwise write to me or to (hear hear) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Example committer acknowledgement - RESEND
On 5/2/03 2:59 Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example committer acknowledgement on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html indicates that a new committer should send an email to asf at jaguNET.com. What is the purpose of this, and assuming there is a purpose, what is the address that should actually be used. The email address you have to use is the one you normally use (in your case Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED])... The purpose is to let know the ASF secretary that you can actually write code in our CVS, and therefore legally bound to the Foundation itself (in good and bad times)... Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LGPL beans imported into code at Apache....
On 30/1/03 7:58 Paul Hammant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: different subject/ I am not sure of Steffano's assertion that a Cocoon block can be GPL from the last of that thread.. If it does an import of org.apache.anything it is in trouble from my understanding of RMS's typed GPL wisdoms (pasted below from http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses ) : That is RMS's vision, Roy's quite different, and I and Stefano ( with ONE f) both agree with him. And as I pointed out in my emails to cocoon-dev, this should be really a discussion targeted to community@ or licensing@ ... God bless the power to say off topic :-) :-) Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nice
On 30/1/03 13:26 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 10:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, for instance, I was once interviewed for a contract to hire gig at Microsoft. (This was circa '97 prior to my involvment in Java). Had I sold my soul, would I still be able to be a member of Apache? In my brief association with the ASF, I have never heard of a person being discriminated against because of their employer. Let's not forget that our CHAIRMAN (Greg Stein) worked for quite an extensive period at Microsoft... And he's one of the nicest guys I've met in my entire life: From http://www.lyra.org/greg/: Between 1996 and 1998, Mr. Stein worked at Microsoft as a Development Manager, in the Commerce Server and Site Server groups. He was also a co-founder and the Corporate Technologist of eShop, one of the first electronic commerce software companies, before its acquisition by Microsoft in 1996. Pier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eyebrowse archive of commons-httpclient-dev
Sander Striker wrote: http://www.apache.org/dev/list-setup.html Gotcha... Since I was at it I also added Tapestry-DEV, Tapestry-USER, Avalon-USERS, BSF-DEV and BSF-USERS... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forum Software.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:08:56PM -0800, Randall J. Parr wrote: It seems much of the reason people want to have forums is for the search abilities. There are mail archives available but I must I agree many are so limited in their search abilities and/or interface that they do not help much. We have a license and an installation of Jive, if someone wants to get it up to speed... It's on nagoya. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto
As this is an implementation of a JSR, I believe that the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list should be made aware of those plans... I forwarded your email there... Pier Stefan Hepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would like to propose a new Jakarta project, named Pluto, that should provide the reference implementation of the JSR 168 Portlet Specification. Please see http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?PlutoProposal for more details (I've also attached the proposal below). Regards, Stefan --- Proposal for Pluto - A Jakarta Subproject 21 January 2003, Stefan Hepper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (0) rationale To enable interoperability between Portlets and Portals, IBM and SUN initiated the JSR 168. This JSR will define a set of APIs for Portal computing addressing the areas of aggregation, personalization, presentation and security. It will define Portlets, the Portlet container behavior, invocation of Portlets, Portlet services, a Portlet window, event model, and other relevant entities and interfaces. For more information see http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=168. As part of this JSR a reference implementation of the portlet container, which is the run-time environment of the Portlets, will be created. This reference implementation will be based on the Tomcat subproject. There are two other projects at Jakarta, which could pick up the reference implementation of the portlet container to leverage that work. One is the JetSpeed? portal project and the other one is the Charon proposal. The portlet container will be build on top of the Servlet container and JetSpeed? can use this container in its particular portal implementation, other persons or companies also could pick up the portlet container reference implementation and use it for their products. Having Pluto done under Apache would also ensure that there is a tight communication between the developers of the Servlet container, the portlet container, the portal, and the WSRP implementation proposal Charon. (1) scope of the subproject The only purpose of this subproject is to create and maintain a reference implementation for the Java Portlet specification as defined in http://jcp.org/jsr/detail/168.jsp . The goal for the reference implementation is to create an independent portlet container that may be plugged into every possible driver, for instance JetSpeed?. This project will not create a new portal, but only a reference implementation of a portlet container. There is an agreement with JetSpeed? that the JetSpeed? will be based on this portlet container implementation. (2) identify the initial source from which the subproject is to be populated The JSR 168 Expert Group has a prototype based on Tomcat, which will be the starting point for the subproject. This prototype will be submitted to Jakarta after the first JSR 168 draft is made public available, which is currently scheduled for end of March. (3) identify the Jakarta resources to be created (3.1) mailing list(s) pluto-user pluto-dev (3.2) CVS repositories jakarta-pluto (3.3) Bugzilla (3.4) Jyve FAQ (when available) pluto-general (4) identify the initial set of committers Stefan Hepper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Stephan Hesmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Birga Rick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) David Sean Taylor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Alejandro Abdelnur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (5) identify apache sponsoring individual Sam Ruby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Typo on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi
FYI, not acked... Pier -- Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 19:20:52 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Typo on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi First line convienence - convenience. Just thought I'd point it out. I've been there dozens of times and never noticed it before. Had to recommend a build process at work, and since I like yours I cut and paste it and it got flagged during a spell check. Jon -- End of Forwarded Message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
On 21/12/02 2:34 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access? Your definition of ACTION is AskSam? AFAIK, your authority and mine with respect to being able to execute cgi scripts on a machine like cvs.apache.org are the same. I just did a few tests, and apparently I don't have permission. That's called defensive programming (ehem... Administration) :-) If not, what about servlet engine + database access? Not on any BSD machine. You will find a more receptive set of sysadmins on nagoya. In any case, the right place to pursue this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Done... http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/ I'd still prefer a Java/MySQL based approach, but It's up and running... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
On 18/12/02 19:00 Doug Bateman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seeing clarification: Is Sam's post here the official report from the PMC, or a summary of a PMC report posted elsewhere? Looking at the news page, I see a summary for status of each individual project in Jakarta, but no summary of the status and growth of Jakarta as a whole. For example, PMC interest in slowing/stopping the imperialistic expansion isn't directly mentioned on the page, and yet is of interest to the community as a whole (users and developers). Those should be integrated (IMO) in Rob's Newsletters... Now, if only the different projects fed him some content pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI: Follow up on the XML'ization of MS Office 11
On 17/12/02 18:03 Dominique Devienne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... which follows the SUN and MS bashing thread where this subject was brushed on. I'm just forwarding the news, no need to shoot/flame the messenger. Thanks, --DD From: xmlhack daily news digest: 17 Dec 2002 Microsoft Office embraces XML http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1839 http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1839 For many participants, the most memorable event of XML 2002 will be Jean Paoli's presentation of Office 11, which promises to deliver easier access to XML for hundreds of millions of work stations. (Tools, Comment: 20:28 16 Dec 2002 UTC) Lame... Since ages we got http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ which has (I'm sure), less bugs than MS' implementation of it... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)
On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently (slowly) working on this: http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst others, be dependant on Gump data. Simple hint... Don't call it Trove... http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/ It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us (well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right??? :-) :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)
On 19/12/02 13:49 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trove is also Sourceforge's categorization system. I suspect that is where the name was taken from. If you'd like to publicize Tea more, why not put it on the Elsewhere news on the front page? (not being sarcastic, its an honest suggestion) Jason's servlet book publicises it enough! :-) And given that it's not an ASF project... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nagoya Moved...
Ok, I got a couple of complaints from freaks whose DNS didn't refresh all right (not _my_ fault :-)... If someone on your favorite list is complaining that they can't see Nagoya, or the bug database, tell them to fix their DNS server (first) and to use the (new) IP address straight: http://192.18.33.10/ Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
On 13/12/02 20:00 Jeff Schnitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 06:42:36PM +0200, mohammad nabil wrote: support Sun, Open Source, and all good manufacturar in our nice world :) Do you just not grasp that Sun's rigid control of Java is the antithesis of Open Source, and _especially_ the Apache philosophy? Try forking the Java codebase sometime. See how fast it takes Sun's lawyers to find you. Want to port Java to a new platform? Get special permission from Sun, and don't plan on having public CVS (see the FreeBSD experience). There's nothing open about that. That's why the Foundation is working to fix that... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Short Apache licence for source files
On 7/12/02 7:56 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: Current drafts of the 2.0 license include a solution to this issue, plus a whole bunch of other niceties. Discussions of the new license are happening on a mailing list dedicated to that purpose. Where is that mailing list? I believe it was avaliable _only_ to ASF members... Which is kinda strange since it is the license which _committers_ also need to abide... You're free to file your complaint to the appropriate department dealing with those kinds of issues: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We're MOVING! :-)
A big thank you to Sun Microsystems which is upgrading our bandwidth for Nagoya from 1.5 Mbps (T1) to something _MUCH_ bigger (as far as I was told, though)... We (well, actually Justina and her team) will have to move nagoya off to another colo somewhere in california next week, so there will be an outage on the Jakarta mailing lists around the 13th when the actual relocation will be performed... I have already checked all email configuration to be able to have a smooth transition... Because of how DNS work, I'll start archiving all messages on daedauls before the downtime (effectively using another queue), and then relaying them off once the move is done to the actual IP address (to avoid DNS latencies and stuff)... MAYBE (but just _MAYBE_) I'll be able to move the BugZilla installation across on another server in London for the time being (it is the one where I replicate the DB every night, but as of yet, no bugzilla install on it), and do some tricks with IP addresses and HTTP forwarding, but that's not guaranteed as of yet (it depends on how much spare time I get on my hands next week)... Other than that, well, stuff should run smoothly after the move, apart from the usual DNS latencies, but I already moved TTL and EXPIRE to 1 day, will be to 1 hour the week of the actual move)... That's all for now... Have fun, and keep your fingers crossed... You never know what might go wrong! :-) Pier -- Jakarta Tomcat is [...] it is produced by the Apache organisation under the GNU public licence [...] Emma Newby - Techincal Lead - SkyRock UK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Short Apache licence for source files
On 5/12/02 4:04 am, in article 003b01c29c13$6dd962b0$927ba8c0@ROSENGARDEN, Lawrence E. Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Current drafts of the 2.0 license include a solution to this issue, plus a whole bunch of other niceties. Discussions of the new license are happening on a mailing list dedicated to that purpose. Where is that mailing list? I believe it was avaliable _only_ to ASF members... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: velocity lovers...
Wow. Java Server Faces really sucks ass. Much more than I could have ever imagined. No wonder I didn't bother looking at it before. What a confusing, over engineered, under thought out way to do things! I'm really surprised that Sun thinks that anyone is going to use this crap and actually like it. [...] I'm completely amazed and disappointed that Sun is spending so much time, energy and money towards creating so much crap. I usually call 'em Java Server Feces... But that's just me... :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
On 6/12/02 1:00 James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Question I have for everybody here is does anyone have any interest in Porting any of the other jakarta projects to C# so that they may be able to run on Mono/Linux/windows .Net/Micorsoft ? what this sppose to mean ppl, why want you to support C#! Sticky issue, but from one perspective you could say that C# / CL* have more potential to be an open platform than java at the moment, considering that Microsoft has submitted most of the base platform to ECMA, while Sun still has a strangle-hold on Java... Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to agree... And since now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Missing pages on xindice site
Not acked... Please... Pier -- Forwarded Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:44:41 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Missing pages on xindice site Hello! Since two weeks, the following links on your site produces 404-Errors: http://xml.apache.org/xindice/UsersGuide.html http://xml.apache.org/xindice/DevelopersGuide.html http://xml.apache.org/xindice/AdministratorsGuide.html http://xml.apache.org/xindice/ToolsReference.html Let´s say, the whole xindice site has permanent errors. Please keep me informed about updates (and excuse my english). Best regards, Markus Nix [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of Forwarded Message
Re: Missing pages on xindice site
Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not acked... Please... Whopsie... Wrong general! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
On 22/11/02 16:41 Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That looks pretty cool. Is gatewaying mailing lists as easy to do as it claims? No, he makes it sound complicate... It's actually easier. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a feed from gmane ? Nope. Does it use the same mail verification program? Messages are delivered to my Qmail, will through SpamAssassin and McAfee for viruses, if that's what you're asking. Do you plan to take the whole feed ( including non apache lists )? Absolutely not. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/20/02 9:54 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like a bazillion of other people... Folks, you can't just _forbid_ me to watch my daily porn just because you want news... Once I'm done with this deadline, I'll move some stuff over somewhere else... LOL, that'll teach you for telling us what you've got before it's stable :=) Seriously, let me know if I can help; this is a cool service to have. I did a bit of NNTP server administration once upon a time so if I can remember how these things work and pitch in some support I'd be happy to. Only thing I need is bandidth. From the admin point of view, dropping INN has been the best choice I've made in a _very_ long time. Basically zero maintenance. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
On 21/11/02 18:16 Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: Does it use the same mail verification program? Messages are delivered to my Qmail, will through SpamAssassin and McAfee for viruses, if that's what you're asking. Gmane uses a mail verification mechanism - they don't allow posting of any message until you confirm your email address ( for each group ). ( they send you a message after the first post, and if you reply then the post and all following posts will be allowed ). On my setup, you actually have to subscribe to the allow list (only few people know the wickedness of this option)... At the end, it'll be web based. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
On 21/11/02 15:58 Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/21/02 8:36 AM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only thing I need is bandidth. From the admin point of view, dropping INN has been the best choice I've made in a _very_ long time. Basically zero maintenance. Well, if bandwidth means network connectivity I might be able to help, depending on traffic volumes; if bandwidth means you need to find some time, I probably can't be so useful :) Bandwidth in terms of MBPS. At least ten just to start... Out of interest, what are you using in place of INN? SN. http://infa.abo.fi/~patrik/sn/ Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, doesn't seem to be working at all for me :-( Did the server go down? I took it down yesterday night. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
On 20/11/02 23:11, Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, I was enjoying using that ;-) Is it coming back? Like a bazillion of other people... Folks, you can't just _forbid_ me to watch my daily porn just because you want news... Once I'm done with this deadline, I'll move some stuff over somewhere else... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
Vincent Massol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier, this is great! I would be happy to use newsgroup instead of emails but I have 2 questions: Shoot... - how fresh are the messages in the newsgroup? It seems there is a few hours delay between emails and newsgroup. That makes it difficult to use newsgroup in replacement of emails, don't you think? Well, to put it that way, when I get them, they are on the newsgroup as well... Sometimes there might be some delay because ATM the news server is on my ADSL (and if I'm downloading something big, mail takes a while). - what happens if I respond to the group? Does it also go the mailing-list? If not, it means it must keep a subscription to the list and then I'll get both the emails and the newsgroup items... Let's put it this way... I am replying to the newsgroup! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent Massol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - how fresh are the messages in the newsgroup? It seems there is a few hours delay between emails and newsgroup. That makes it difficult to use newsgroup in replacement of emails, don't you think? Well, to put it that way, when I get them, they are on the newsgroup as well... Sometimes there might be some delay because ATM the news server is on my ADSL (and if I'm downloading something big, mail takes a while). There, I got this back in roughly 2 minutes... Not bad... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mail filters
Stéphane MOR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 15/11/02 0:50 Stéphane MOR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we could link to the file from the Mailing Lists section of jakarta-site2. Any thoughts ? Yes, start using news.betaversion.org (which will move to news.apache.org once I'm over my friggin deadline), which works with mozilla and filters messages for you (and expires them after one month so that you won't clog up your local cache)... Why not but how ? The only thing that I see when pointing my browser to news.betaversion.org is the default welcome page of Apache ... Am I supposed to use mozilla mail, or ??? Shall I flame now or wait 10 minutes? Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Mozilla mail filters
On 15/11/02 0:50 Stéphane MOR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we could link to the file from the Mailing Lists section of jakarta-site2. Any thoughts ? Yes, start using news.betaversion.org (which will move to news.apache.org once I'm over my friggin deadline), which works with mozilla and filters messages for you (and expires them after one month so that you won't clog up your local cache)... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Gump changes
Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? Why not leaving it on Nagoya? I don't think the nightly build is created on Nagoya, but on Sam's private machine. So I'm wondering why the heck I'm running that thing 4 times a day, if at the end, no one uses it... It's a nice way to waste 4 gigs of RAM, and roughly 20 gigs of HDD. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [scarab] problems with scarab server
On 9/11/02 8:51 pm, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/11/8 8:53 PM, Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Scarab on nagoya is always very slow, almost to the point of being unusable. I just need to make it clear that it isn't Scarab that is slow, it is nagoya. =) I just need to make it clear that it isn't Nagoya that is slow, it is MySQL. =) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons Validator 1.0 Released
James Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The few but proud members of the Commons Validator team are pleased to announce the release of Validator 1.0. This represents a first stable release that should allow develops to start using Validator for their projects, while we take a moment to reflect and begin development on 1.1 (or dare we say it, even 2.0) features. [...] The Validator homepage is located at: http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/validator.html Sorry for the wrong link, the actual home page is at http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/validator/ (This will save me 100 replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Adding Lists to EyeBrowse - how?
On 30/10/02 7:32 am, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm actually working on updating nagoya to the latest Eyebrowse code and schema, which contains some bug fixes and drastically increases the performance of the ViewLists servlet. +1 :-) ViewLists Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Adding Lists to EyeBrowse - how?
On 30/10/02 22:19, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/10/02 20:51, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah... Like POI... sniff... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EyeBrowse is a great facility - how do we add other Apache mailing lists to it? I took a look at the POI setup on nagoya, and it has the same problem that I was complaining about this morning with respect to no mbox files available. They must all be on mail.apache.org. Hold it... Nope... It should be there... The mailing list is hosted on Nagoya... Sooo... Fided.. Whoever created the mailing lists forgot to subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel, you should have now the initial mbox files in the usual place! Pier (doing stuff) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Adding Lists to EyeBrowse - how?
On 30/10/02 23:07, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 30/10/02 22:19, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/10/02 20:51, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah... Like POI... sniff... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EyeBrowse is a great facility - how do we add other Apache mailing lists to it? I took a look at the POI setup on nagoya, and it has the same problem that I was complaining about this morning with respect to no mbox files available. They must all be on mail.apache.org. Hold it... Nope... It should be there... The mailing list is hosted on Nagoya... Sooo... Fided.. Whoever created the mailing lists forgot to subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel, you should have now the initial mbox files in the usual place! Great! I'll...uh...not be as quick as Pier. ;) But I'll get to it. When you got some time... Andy managed without Eyebrowse for ever, he can manage another few days! :-) As a sidenote, guys, when you have problems with infrastructure and mail, please, keep posted also the infrastructure@apache or apmail@apache mailing lists... There are a lot of more people having a clue over there and not just me... (And I'm talking about _real_ unix admins! :-) Thanks. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
[TEST] Please ignore...
Either this message goes in the newsgroup or I'm going to kill myself... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [TEST] Please ignore...
Given that now I'm replying from a newsgroup, in theory, yes... Pier On 31/10/02 3:02 Jeffrey Dever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are safe Pier ... live long and prosper. Pier Fumagalli wrote: Either this message goes in the newsgroup or I'm going to kill myself... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
On 26/10/02 15:01, Howard M. Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, this went out about a week ago, and the guidelines only cover as far as publishing a proposal on the Jakarta General List. What is the next step? So far, I haven't seen any real negative responses, and a lot of positive ones (I think a lot of ex-WebObjects folks are lurking about :-)). I could summarize in more detail if that would be helpful. Obviously, the PMC hasn't really weighed in. Again, what next? Not being a committer to any of the Jakarta projects, and not being a PMC member, I can't say much on this, but from a general feeling that I gather from different parts of the foundation, I would say that _right_now_ the timing is not that great because of the big reorg going around ASF wide. But the decision is left to the Jakarta committers and PMC members... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
On 26/10/02 15:20, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here will feel the same as I on this). The opinion of Tapestry joining is very good. Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything. So different people feel differently. We're still ironing out a new process as Pier said, however most folks I've spoken to have felt that the Apache voting rules must be adopted as a first step not later. Dion and I have both committed to helping you with this transition (though I don't think he ever stated so publically...Dion?). And I'll be happy to subscribe to the tapestry list if you desire and help you build the structure. I don't quite understand on what you disagree... I remain in the position of doubt, I agree completely that (quote) the Apache voting rules must be adopted as a first step not later, as I always believed that our voting system is the key, but Sam (your Jakarta PMC president) is saying: On 26/10/02 15:12, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm +1 overall, but as Peter aluded to previously there are some mechanics to be worked out. This has nothing directly to do with your proposal, merely that there is a new incubator committee which is in the process of forming, and a strong desire for this to be used for contributions such as these. So, in other words, you may very well get to be a guinee pig. Whee! For a peek into the current status, see http://incubator.apache.org/ Now, this looks like a little bit contradictory to me, you say let's vote (and I assume that the Jakarta community needs to vote), the Jakarta president says let's make Incubator vote, and Tapestry be our guinea pig. As I said, I'm not a part of this community (not a committer, not a PMC member), neither a member of the Incubator community, but seeing it things from a little bit of distance, WHO needs to vote? Jakarta or Incubator? I still keep my reasonable doubt that _right_now_ timing is not right, and that certain issues about who and where need to be solved before Tapestry, or any other project FWIW, can land in the Apache sphere... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
On 26/10/02 19:25, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: WHO needs to vote? Jakarta or Incubator? http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html For Tapestry to become a subproject of Jakarta requires a 3/4 majority of the PMC. I am very interested in getting the incubator team to help with the licensing issues and community issues. I am optimistic about the outcome as there are plenty of people motivated to make this work. WHO needs to vote? Jakarta or Incubator? Pier (dumb) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Linux Magazine article
On 25/10/02 7:17, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not accepted? Question floats around from time to time... It always ends up in someone being flamed badly and nothing happening... The wishy-washy relationship started when, IIRC, when back in the days (the first time we were told to join efforts) he called us something like old ladies drinking tea, or some stuff like that... I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;) I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few months back, and his response was something likenothing but a bunch of Sun guys there, but I couldn't make out exactly what he said. Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache? It's not true... I believe that the ASF doesn't want to have JBoss on its list of projects, and JBoss doesn't want to move along and join the ASF... From time to time, someone happening to be in both communities at the same time, thinks it might be a good idea to push for it, and does so... But at the end, I believe that both communities are really divided and can't be brought together... Both communities grew from the same seed, Java and Open Source, but whilst one (Apache) has always been fond of its BSD roots and moves along the lines, the Jboss one is actually more tied to GPL and another vision of open source... I think they both coexist happily in the world, but at the same time I don't think any one of those should loose its credos to embrace the other community way of doing things... And plus, we're more polite, we don't call them nothing but a bunch of Fleury's adepts there, or young kids drinking cocoa :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Linux Magazine article
On 25/10/02 19:14, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache? No, Jboss was not rejected from Jakarta. IIRC, they wanted to join and jakarta said 'can we digest what we have first?', and jboss said, 'no thanks', and then switched to LGPL. Or something like that :) True, roughly, as well... The first time someone told about a merger it was probably 2 weeks after Jakarta was born, and at that time (and as always), we were covered in , between Sun not coming up with the license agreements for Tomcat, Jserv still pumping hard but going down as being at the end of the line... Those were fun times! :-) Pier (one of the old ladies, but I don't like tea!) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: what's the right way to deal with unlicensed code in sandbox?
there are files in daemon which appear to be missing license files. this should be fixed. If it's stuff I wrote (as most of the daemon AFAICR), well, then stick the ASL version 1.1 on it and I'm going to be fine... Sorry, my fault, sometimes I forget the usual copy-and-paste... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Ok, I fucked up...
Whilst trying to help out to solve the situation of Daedalus being overloaded (Greg Ames and I were trying to split the load from Daedalus onto Nagoya), I _seriously_ screwed up Nagoya... I'm sorry... I started off noticing that Nagoya was collapsing (or better, the network was collapsing) when the traffic was roughly at 5 mbps, although the system was doing just fine (load average 1.4 with GUMP running). I figured out it was something to do with the interfaces, and therefore had Justyna change some cables over in the lab, and after seeing that the interfaces were still running at 10 mbps half-duplex (for some odd weirdness that I still didn't understand), I forced them to be a 100 mbps full-duplex (the switch supports it apparently)... Well, that was the root of all problems... Forcing the interface at 100 mbps made the whole network around Nagoya collapse (I suspect, then that the switch is broken), including Nagoya's console... Without access to the console, and with the network interfaces sending random packets on the ethernet segment, the only possible solution was to physically power-off the system and hope for a better chance of interfaces auto-configuration at boot-up... Once I had that done (thank Justy again), I had access to the console (serial), but at the same time Nagoya didn't want to boot properly, it wasn't seeing the SCSI/fiber-optics disk array... That's where I noticed that I fucked up big time... Some times in the past (like 6 months ago), I removed a bunch of Solaris packages as documented by Sun Blueprints (Security through System Minimization), and since everything was working, I never actually thought that something bad could have happened... Well, what happened was that although the Solaris kernel had still the modules for the disk array in memory, well, those were not available anymore on the disk, and therefore, major pain at the next reboot... Now, I managed to restore the modules, reconfigure the system and have it up-and-running once again, but at the same time I didn't fix the problem afflicting the network... Therefore, Nagoya is up and running as it was before, but it can't really hold more than 10 mbps half-duplex traffic (therefore 5 mbps of real bandwidth), because of some random stuff happening on the ethernet segment... I'm sorry if everything got really fucked up this afternoon, hopefully the situation should get back to normal once the various queues on the different mail systems get flushed... Justy is going to file a request with Sun's hardware support to try and figure out why out of the 155 mbps network we have available for Nagoya we can use only 5 mbps (and why the switch and/or Nagoya's interfaces are behaving so strangely), but in the meantime, if anyone has experience with a 3Com SuperStack II 1000 Switch and Sun HME interfaces please let me know... Really sorry about what happened, but I'm a moron and that's more than what I need to say... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Can't get to bug database
On 22/10/02 23:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the links off of the Jakarta site to the bug databases are working. I tried http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/ http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ant http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ It should be working right now... My fault, I foobared-up the server badly... If it doesn't work for you, let me know... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
On 19/10/02 19:49, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So could someone clarify that for me... We're here to promote community software developmentas long as they don't overlap? sorry I totally misunderstood the apache way. (especially with all the overlapping projects to the contrary) I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
On 20/10/02 0:40, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) Pier Yea, let's see if we can move Jetty under Jakarta. Greg is going to kill me! :-) Sourceforge works more than fine for now... But sure it's damn fast! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general-help;jakarta.apache.org
Re: Bug handling survey - 80:20 rule
Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're assuming, of course, that you can't have commercial software that *is* open source :-). Such models do exist -- so I'm assuming you are primarily talking about closed source commercial software. This is a very meaningful distinctions. IMO, the fundamental distinction here is that of Open vs Closed, not beer-free vs Commercial, where Open means Free-freedom (I don't want to go GPL vs BSD here) I agree wholeheartedly... We're planning to change our servlet container because we can't get the sources of the one we're using right now. (No, as of now I'm not a Tomcat user, and probably not even in the future). The one we use ATM is good, but comes in binary only and had already to decompile the classes TWO TIMES to figure out why some of our web applications were failing. No fun. On the other hand, I don't mind paying for a Servlet container which gives me full access to the source... I have some problem on live, if I have the sources, I can check it out and try to fix it... Having the sources is also beneficial if I want to have a support contract with my container: if I see a bug, they can tell me to modify and recompile the sources, apply some patches, we can work together to solve it, instead of being a blind process of receiving a jar file and putting it live... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 9/10/02 3:47, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even when Quick and Dirty takes longer. I tried to convince my boss that a certain customization required so many fundamental changes that it would be quicker and easier to develop/maintain if we did it right. He told me that he would never be able to convince the CEO that was the right choice, so the Quick and Dirty route was the choice--taking me twice as long to get it done. I got out of the same tie today, but I won! :-) And it was about Objects in PL-SQL... That was a close one! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 8/10/02 23:59, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Java is not the fastest technology to develop in, however, it produces the best code for the long term. PHP is the fastest technology to develop in, however, it produces the crappiest code for the long term. The problem is when you see people using Java as PHP... That _really_ screws things up... Want some few megs of classes as an example? Nah, you'll hack in my employer's site in less than 10 minutes! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts and Tomcat 4.0
I believe they also tried to make a JSR out of it, but got shot down somewhere in the middle... :-( Pier On 9/10/02 13:38, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool! I'm impressed! I'll have to check that out. On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 20:12, Daniel Rall wrote: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even if it ties me to an Apache-proprietary template language, trading that for something less disgusting than JSP seems preferable. Note that Velocity actually implements a documented specification which any vender can pick up create their own implementation of. -- Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire container in less than 2 minutes of uptime... To that respect, even ASP are better... It is so nice to hear you say that finally Pier. =) I still think that the optimal solution is a true SOC using XML, but the world is too stupid to understand that... All everyone wants is a quick and dirty solution... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 8/10/02 3:09 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does c stand for? Oh wait...explain that to your designers. Also, I believe you forgot a bunch of other junk that you have to put at the top of the file or in configuration files to configure what c means anyway. It is quite funny to me to see you try to justify something that is obviously more difficult to understand and write. I just _wish_ I could send you the source of this: http://www.vnunet.com/ It's a JSP, using 6 different tag libraries, a collection of roughly 30/40 different tags, and spread across (I believe) 10? different files... I haven't seen something worse in a _long_ time... Especially when to redirect images to the images server, your tags start looking like: IMG SRC=%vnunet:getImagePath()%/myimage.jpg ALT=... Tag'na tag... That's QTE... Bah... Pier (I'm going to go on holiday, soon) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So putting out crap code that you have to toggle and mess with over and over again is where the money is at in web app development. So what is the solution? There isn't one...web app development is still a big hairy mess. Choice is good. ;-) Well put, not only this last part, but the whole... True, XML is a good approach from a technical point of view, but unusable from some others (don't ask me to teach XSLT to our web guys, please!). JSPs can work for some, but they definitely introduce drawbacks when thinking how they are implemented (they destroy my servlet container). Velocity is simple, doesn't mess around with my servlets, but it's interpreted. Tea is fast, quite easy, but again the syntax is bad... There is _no_optimal_ solution... Just the one that works for you... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 7/10/02 22:01, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I think there are places that struts could learn a lot from turbine... Struts has a bit more design cohesion shall we say? Where turbine is a bit moreorganic in places. The nice thing about Turbine is that it does favor containment over inheritance, same thing with Struts (not necessarily so with Avalon + friends). The bad thing is that Turbine is all things to all people in some ways.. I think I kinda like Turbine better than Struts...but the verdict isn't out yet. (Bias: I think JSP sucks equine hybrid reproductive organs..correction...I think that about ASP... JSP I think of as ASP with its father run off ;-) ) http://opensource.go.com/ Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 8/10/02 1:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to resurface the old issue, this is so much worse than #if (..) #end in Velocity...? I believe that Andy doesn't quite know what templates are ! :-) Dude, we're not talking about the beauty of XML around here, but stuff that Macromedia DreamWeaver can parse and (somehow) render! :-) Definitely templating is not an elegant approach, but it works. At least Tea and Velocity are not compiled straight into Java Code (therefore killing all HTMLers who thought they can code in Java, but in fact only producing tons of OutOfMemoryExceptions). More than separation of concerns using something better compared to JSP is a headache wonder (go and try to figure out where an OutOfMemoryException comes from, just to discover that in one of your 5000 JSPs you have an idiot playing around with Sessions, or why your database is hosed, and find out that some other lame creep is forgetting to call connection.close()... Arrrggghh)... JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire container in less than 2 minutes of uptime... To that respect, even ASP are better... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???
On 8/10/02 1:12, Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Velocity is much easier to teach to a web designer (non-programmer) than the JSP. http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd.html More than easier to teach, is that it _forbids_ them to do what they're not supposed to do... Code... Otherwise, where will I get my salary from? (Well, I can still get it if I have to restart our main Servlet engine 5 times a day, but boy, that's bring). BTW, http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd-hosting.html should be extended... It doesn't tell you all those sort of damages that a JSP can do to your host environment... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?
On 5/10/02 6:22, Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the willingness of Pier (and others) to work there. All I can say is that *not* moving to the Bay Area was a condition of me accepting my job at Sun ... :-) Aw, Craig, ye olde man... It's just the sunshine, the beaches, and the parties that matter Craig McClanahan (happily working from Portland, Oregon) Even rainier than London, I heard... Pier (metereopathic) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?
On 4/10/02 14:49, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be more interested to hear statistics on how many people are California-based versus non-California based. (It would help me with my research into Apache cultures and cliches ;-) for a paper I'm writing ) More than being in CA, I would say, how many of us have been there and did the Silicon Valley thing... I'm saying that because I spent 2 years in CA, and feel strongly related to that environment... Only thing is now I live in London (UK)... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?
On 3/10/02 15:35, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2/are we a) young b) 20-30 c) 30-40 d) 40-50 d) old My mother would _kill_ your for saying that over-50 is old Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Announce][HttpClient] New mailing list httpclient-dev
Jeff Dever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, A new mailing list on Jakarta was created today for the Commons HttpClient project. You can subscribe to this list by sending email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is ment for *all* development traffic related to HttpClient, including: discussions, cvs commit messages, and bug reports. No particular string is needed in the subject field when posting to this list. Any voting will still be held on the commons-dev list with at least [httpclient] in the subject line. No doubt that many of us will still monitor the commons-dev list, but all HttpClient traffic should be moved to the new httpclient-dev list. Please feel free to subscribe if you are interested, and don't forget to adjust your mail filters! PS: Thanks to Justyna Horwat at Sun for creating the new list. Jeff Dever HttpClient 2.0 release manager I'll have to re-create the mailing list, since it wasn't created correctly, and it doesn't get archived and stuff.. Everything should be transparent... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Announce][HttpClient] New mailing list httpclient-dev
The reconfiguration of the mailing list is now done... It should be all archived now, with digests and stuff... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta.apache.org and Spam or junk mail threshold
On 29/9/02 10:49 am, Mr Dion Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - SMTP Protocol Returned a Permanent Error 553 Spam or junk mail threshold exceeded. See http://www.flame.org/qmail/spamjunk.html (#5.7.1) - Searching their database results in a 500 http response :-( (quoting) flame.org's qmail mods: Junk/Spam Filtering The message you tried to send was rejected. If you feel this is in error, contact the postmater at the site you were mailing to. If you are a postmaster and are getting double bounces in your mailbox because of flame.org's filtering, it is most likely: *Someone at your site is trying to mailbomb/spam someone at my site. *Someone at your site is trying to mailbomb/spam someone at a third site, using my host as a gateway. *Someone at a third site is trying to mailbomb/spam someone, using your site as a gateway. Check your mail logs for more info. For the first two, hit your user with a clue-by-four. For the second, stop being an open festering wound on the internet, and stop letting people relay junk through you. If you are confused about this, contact your ISP for more information. Any suggestions? Write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for those kind of stuff, and it'll be better to see also a message with full headers Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issue tracking
On 26/9/02 3:04, Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am in the process of tidying up the issue tracking systems used by the turbine projects. The biggest change is that we are predominantly going to use an instance of the turbine based Scarab issue tracking system (from tigris.org) that is installed at werken.com (Bob McWhirter's site on a box belonging to Bob and Jason van Zyl - thanks guys). This instance was set up as it apparently proved difficult to gain the necessary access to maintain the Scarab instance at issues.apache.org/scarab. Bob has suggested that we set up an apache.org hostname for the box to make it easier if it becomes necessary to migrate to another system in the future. I thought it would be a good idea to run this past the general Jakarta list prior to making a request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In summary here is what we want to do: 1. Request the host name scarab.apache.org be set up to point to the same address as scarab.werken.com 2. Update http://issues.apache.org/ to de-emphasise the issues.apache.org/scarab install (now used only by OJB) and to include a reference to the new scarab.apache.org instance (note that OBJ guys are being invited to migrate over to the maintained Scarab instance). 3. Organize for bugzilla to no longer accept turbine issues. Please speak up if you have any comments or concerns about this. It has been discussed on the turbine-dev list with no objections. We already have a setup of Scarab on nagoya.apache.org, which of course is _already_ has an alias as issues.apache.org If you want to use scarab, use nagoya and update that installation, let's not redo the whole thing again and again and again... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issue tracking
Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26/9/02 3:04, Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This instance was set up as it apparently proved difficult to gain the necessary access to maintain the Scarab instance at issues.apache.org/scarab. We already have a setup of Scarab on nagoya.apache.org, which of course is _already_ has an alias as issues.apache.org If you want to use scarab, use nagoya and update that installation, let's not redo the whole thing again and again and again... As stated in the original message, it was deemed to difficult to obtain the necessary access to maintain the instance on nagoya. As things currently stand we have the nagoya instance that is un-maintained with only one project using it and we have the up-to-date werken instance with one project actively using it (and four more that have agreed to) and two people committed to maintaining it. The newer instance is hosted at a very ASF friendly location who are happy to provide their resources and the access necessary to maintain it. Why not follow the path of least resistance? Sorry, if you had troubles accessing Nagoya, it has been most definitely my fault. The original idea to set up Scarab on Nagoya was that once some projects had the confidence of the install, all other projects would have moved as well, so, I still think that installing it on a central location is a good idea... If you, Jason and Bob want to maintain that instance, just let me know and I'll grant appropriate karma, otherwise, I believe that at the end we'll have 3 bug tracking systems: two on nagoya, and one wherever you guys want to put it... :-/ Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issue tracking
On 26/9/02 19:43, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a request for access to nagoya so that I could take over maintenance of the scarab installation there. I never heard back from you; I would/should have followed up, but Jason made the offer of the werken.com box so I took him up on it. Sorry, never got it... Last requests I got were Ryan Bloom, Dirk-Willem van Gulik and Bob Hermann (looking at my archives). I don't see a reason to keep two instances of scarab going. No one is maintaining the one on nagoya. And if the decision is going to be that it has to be on nagoya or else... I will work towards that as I see no reason to fight over it. I like the werken.com setup of linux and a working up-to-date emacs installation, but hopefully nagoya at least has the later? Emacs? I don¹t see the reason for a 25 megs editor on a server machine, but hey, anyone has his wishes... If you need it I think it's going to take no more than 5 minutes to recompile. Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Issue tracking
IIRC /opt/mysql/bin/mysqlclient Pier On 27/9/02 2:47 am, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. Now is there a mysql client on this box? john mcnally On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 17:31, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 26/9/02 22:54, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs? I don¹t see the reason for a 25 megs editor on a server machine Err... Correction, just compiled version 21.2 and it's actually 121 Mb... It's as big as my entire home server operating system (NetBSD 1.6)... DOH! Oh, good old beloved vi (220 Kb) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta projects on OSDir.com
Doh... My doing, as always! :-) Cool stuff, though! :-) Pier On 23/9/02 3:39 pm, Steve Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been asked to address this to the list... please see the part starting with Hi Webmaster with 's around it. Thanks. -Steve Begin forwarded message: From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Sep 23, 2002 11:22:07 AM America/Halifax To: Steve Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jakarta projects on OSDir.com Write to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Steve Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **Hi 'webmaster', 8^) * I've added serveral Jakarta projects to http://OSDir.com wonder if you'd like to add code to their websites to actual users can comment, vote or both on the various projects. We do reviews of individual releases, but this is to give potential users more insight into the health of a project overall vs. partcular releases. Steve Mallett http://OSDir.com on the O'Reilly Network | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://opensource.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://open5ource.net personal In order..: Jakarta: Alexandria: http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=37 Jakarta:Ant http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=38 Jakarta:Lucene http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=39 Jakarta:Struts http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=40 Jakarta:Tomcat http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=41 Jakarta:Turbine http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=42 Jakarta:Velocity http://osdir.com/ modules.php?op=modloadname=Downloadsfile=indexreq=outsidedownloadse tu plid=43 Steve Mallett http://OSDir.com on the O'Reilly Network | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://opensource.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://open5ource.net personal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] we should be getting some more powerful mail list servers, just in case. Not needed. Trust me. Pier (the mail master) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html With a file name like this, I miss a pink hearts background. Does anyone have one of those to contribute? Nope, but if it helps making him look better, I have a pic of Jon wearing a pink ballerina dress... (amazing what Halloween can do!) Pier -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion of different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. [Jamie Zawinski - DNA Lounge - San Francisco] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???
Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And even better is there is a revenge: - Lots of pictures! Being Jon one of my closest friends since _a_lot_, he has _a_lot_ of compromising material on me... And not only pictures (aaarrrggghhh) Pier (ducks for cover) -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion of different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. [Jamie Zawinski - DNA Lounge - San Francisco] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: AESGI Support
Not acked... Pier -- Forwarded Message From: Gregory Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:36:45 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AESGI Support Please add the following to your list: Applied Engineering Software Group - http://www.aesgi.com Green Bay, Madison, Milwaukee, Wisconsin Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We support Tomcat 4.x, Jserv 1.2.2 and Apache SSL on Linux. We specifically design with Cocoon 2.0 for big publishing tasks with Oracle 8i/MySQL 3.x organizing/storing the content. -- -- End of Forwarded Message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
