Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti

Rahul Akolkar wrote:

If there is a connection to be drawn, I think many probably won't ;-)


Always the risk with names that don't spell out precisely what name. 
You can easily be *too* clever, this could be one of those cases.



I'd refrain from voting until a formal thread appears on the subject.
I know its hard ;-) but voting now will make it tougher to tally
opinions from multiple threads. Hen has taken the lead to call a vote
[ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=112361926416536&w=2
], shouldn't be too long a wait.


Yeah, I got a bit excited because I really do like the name :)  I'll 
throw my vote in the official thread when it starts... knowing me I'll 
probably change my mind 10 times by then anyway :)


Frank


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Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 8/9/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All would be describable (assuming no clashes) as:
> 
> Apache Jakarta Web Components
> Apache Web Components
> 
> There's the option of doing W*4J or something, but we can discuss that
> later I think as it's just an altered presentation of the chosen name.


Agreed, plus I'm not too keen to see a Java tie-in with the name,
given the current scope of the sub-project. We have other programming
models even in the starter set.


On 8/9/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I actually like Silk a great deal... in fact, I'd
> go ahead and give it my non-binding +1...  

If there is a connection to be drawn, I think many probably won't ;-)

I'd refrain from voting until a formal thread appears on the subject.
I know its hard ;-) but voting now will make it tougher to tally
opinions from multiple threads. Hen has taken the lead to call a vote
[ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=112361926416536&w=2
], shouldn't be too long a wait.

-Rahul

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Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
For what it's worth, I actually like Silk a great deal... in fact, I'd 
go ahead and give it my non-binding +1... I was the one that put the 
idea on the Wiki of a more codeword-ish name, and I think Silk is perfect.


Frank

Noel J. Bergman wrote:

How about Apache Spider Web?



No, but you just gave me an idea:

  Apache Silk

Silk is what webs are made of.

--- Noel


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RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> How about Apache Spider Web?

No, but you just gave me an idea:

  Apache Silk

Silk is what webs are made of.

--- Noel


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RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey,
How about Apache Spider Web? ;)  Sorts of like it traps things, double-entendre
on the meaning of web, etc..  Just thought I'd throw it out there ;) 

Yoav

--- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term
> 
> I have a shirt around here someone regarding "Parts for Java", which was a
> product from ParcPlace.
> 
> Apache WebParts would be OK with me, but I care more about the content of
> the project than the name.
> 
>   --- Noel
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RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term

I have a shirt around here someone regarding "Parts for Java", which was a
product from ParcPlace.

Apache WebParts would be OK with me, but I care more about the content of
the project than the name.

--- Noel


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Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Felipe Leme

Martin Cooper wrote:


Some other names were added to the wiki page:

http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/CreatingCommonsForWebComponents


I forgot to add some names to that page:

Webbies(has the same idea of weblets, but causing less confusion)
Jakartlets (someone suggested we use a name without "Web" - it would be 
cool to be derived from Jakarta then, as Jakarta is tied to server side 
Java)





That would probably add:

- web libs
- web tools

to your list above. (I'm not sure how appropriate 'web libs' would be
though, since I'm not sure I'd refer to, say, a compression filter as
a 'library'.)


Web Tools can be a problem too, as it conflicts with the Eclipse Web 
Tools Platform.


-- Felipe

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Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 16:27 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:



> NOTE-2
> ==
> Despite the suitability of this name, we are hesitant to duplicate the 
> Commons brand and confuse the user.

even though Apache WC would definitely tickled many brits...

- robert


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Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Martin Cooper
On 8/9/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Prior to calling a vote tomorrow, am I missing any potential names. This
> is all I dredged out of the previous mail thread. 'webapp' was mentioned
> instead of 'web'; but didn't seem to get any traction.
> 
> 
> web bricks
> web components
> web parts   (NOTE-1)
> web commons (NOTE-2)
> 

Some other names were added to the wiki page:

http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/CreatingCommonsForWebComponents

That would probably add:

- web libs
- web tools

to your list above. (I'm not sure how appropriate 'web libs' would be
though, since I'm not sure I'd refer to, say, a compression filter as
a 'library'.)

--
Martin Cooper


> All would be describable (assuming no clashes) as:
> 
> Apache Jakarta Web Components
> Apache Web Components
> 
> There's the option of doing W*4J or something, but we can discuss that
> later I think as it's just an altered presentation of the chosen name.
> 
> NOTE-1
> ==
> Web parts would clash with javawebparts.sf.net name-wise and while the
> owner of this loose trademark is interested in being involved, we wouldn't
> really know until the code was looked at etc.
> 
> Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term (google for it); which will
> definitely cause problems if our definition of Web Parts is different to
> theirs.
> 
> NOTE-2
> ==
> Despite the suitability of this name, we are hesitant to duplicate the
> Commons brand and confuse the user.
> 
> 
> Hen
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WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Yandell


Prior to calling a vote tomorrow, am I missing any potential names. This 
is all I dredged out of the previous mail thread. 'webapp' was mentioned 
instead of 'web'; but didn't seem to get any traction.



web bricks
web components
web parts   (NOTE-1)
web commons (NOTE-2)


All would be describable (assuming no clashes) as:

Apache Jakarta Web Components
Apache Web Components

There's the option of doing W*4J or something, but we can discuss that 
later I think as it's just an altered presentation of the chosen name.


NOTE-1
==
Web parts would clash with javawebparts.sf.net name-wise and while the 
owner of this loose trademark is interested in being involved, we wouldn't 
really know until the code was looked at etc.


Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term (google for it); which will 
definitely cause problems if our definition of Web Parts is different to 
theirs.


NOTE-2
==
Despite the suitability of this name, we are hesitant to duplicate the 
Commons brand and confuse the user.



Hen

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