Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 19:40, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: MAKEOPTS=-j1 didn't fix it. Off to find another solution. -- :wq Does sound like it's just you. I've been running with MAKEOPTS=-j13 and everything compiled and ran just fine. -- Joe
Re: [gentoo-user] Just a heads-up, I think =sys-libs/glibc-2.14.1-r3 is a stinker.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 22:41, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Qian Qiao qian.q...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 19:40, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: MAKEOPTS=-j1 didn't fix it. Off to find another solution. -- :wq Does sound like it's just you. I've been running with MAKEOPTS=-j13 and everything compiled and ran just fine. Checking to see if it's a distcc problem, now. If it is, it'll only be the third time I've ever had issues from distcc, and the first time a distcc issue resulted in a successful build of a package that broke things. I thought glibc doesn't use distcc even if you have it enabled. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 00:20, loki lokisa...@gmail.com wrote: Erm... You send an email to that address, not put it in the subject line. HTH. -- Joe
Re: [gentoo-user] help
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 03:05, Daryl Styrk darylst...@gmail.com wrote: Tence T. George wrote: errr...what's seems to be the problem? On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Daryl Styrk darylst...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I was looking for the list mailman.. I deleted the initial Welcome to the list containing the usual (sometimes) commands for manipulating the subscriptions. Such information is in the header of every message you get from the list.
Re: [gentoo-user] help
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 03:15, Daryl Styrk darylst...@gmail.com wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: Such information is in the header of every message you get from the list. Thank you for that. I normally do not view headers detailed and had overlooked it as an option. Many list softwares add those information to the header, so you know where to look next time.
Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 01:30, Jeff Cranmer jcranme...@earthlink.net wrote:
On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:52:11 am Jeff Cranmer wrote:
On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:11:59 am Justin wrote:
Jeff Cranmer schrieb:
I have a problem with my gentoo system
I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails
sanity check error on a number of packages.
After a bit of searching, the solution that I come across most often is
to recompile glibc and gcc. Unfortunately, when I try to compile
glibc, I get the same sanity check error. Catch 22.
Can anyone help me get around this 'insanity'?
Thanks
Jeff
Can you provide some more information please? Logs etc?
Here is the end of the output.
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc option to accept ISO C89...
unsupported checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp
configure: error: C preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check
See `config.log' for more details.
*
* ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_compile
* environment, line 3457: Called eblit-run 'src_compile'
* environment, line 1115: Called eblit-glibc-src_compile
* src_compile.eblit, line 179: Called src_compile
* environment, line 3457: Called eblit-run 'src_compile'
* environment, line 1115: Called eblit-glibc-src_compile
* src_compile.eblit, line 187: Called toolchain-glibc_src_compile
* src_compile.eblit, line 120: Called
glibc_do_configure 'src_compile'
* src_compile.eblit, line 97: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* ${S}/configure ${myconf} || die failed to configure glibc
* The die message:
* failed to configure glibc
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
* A complete build log is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201/temp/environment'.
*
* Messages for package sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201:
*
* ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_compile
* environment, line 3457: Called eblit-run 'src_compile'
* environment, line 1115: Called eblit-glibc-src_compile
* src_compile.eblit, line 179: Called src_compile
* environment, line 3457: Called eblit-run 'src_compile'
* environment, line 1115: Called eblit-glibc-src_compile
* src_compile.eblit, line 187: Called toolchain-glibc_src_compile
* src_compile.eblit, line 120: Called
glibc_do_configure 'src_compile'
* src_compile.eblit, line 97: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* ${S}/configure ${myconf} || die failed to configure glibc
* The die message:
* failed to configure glibc
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
* A complete build log is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/glibc-2.9_p20081201/temp/environment'.
I've attached the build.log, but can't find config.log. Where is this
normally located?
Jeff
After finding this link with a possible solution,
http://www.linux-solved.com/post/gnu-stubs-32-h-No-such-file-or-directory-multilib-SOLVED-564.html
I downloaded binaries of glibc and gcc
I emerged gcc from a binary successfully, but when I tried to install the
glibc binary, it failed because the binary I found was rev 2.6.1, and the
present version is glibc-2.9_p20081201, so emerge would not allow the
downgrade.
The error was
* Sanity check to keep you from breaking your system:
* Downgrading glibc is not supported and a sure way to destruction
*
* ERROR: sys-libs/glibc-2.6.1 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called pkg_setup
* environment, line 3275: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* die aborting to save your system;
* The die message:
* aborting to save your system
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
* A complete build log is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/glibc-2.6.1/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located
at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/glibc-2.6.1/temp/environment'.
I then tried emerge binutils glibc gcc after running source /etc/profile and
env-update.
binutils emerged successfully, but glibc still failed with the same sanity
check error.
Does anyone know where I can get the latest binary for an amd64 system, or
otherwise
Re: [gentoo-user] openoffice emerge failing
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:39, Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Anyone see this before? Thanks, Mike To quote the error message: * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if * relevant. * A complete build log is located at * '/var/tmp/portage/app-office/openoffice-3.0.0/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at * '/var/tmp/portage/app-office/openoffice-3.0.0/temp/environment'. Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] openoffice emerge failing
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:48, Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/11/08 Qian Qiao said: Running processes: 0 deliver -- version: 1.130 Module 'sw' delivered successfully. 261 files copied, 0 files unchanged 1 module(s): chart2 need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /var/tmp/portage/app-office/openoffice-3.0.0/work/ooo/build/ooo300-m9/chart2/source/controller/chartapiwrapper Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command build --from chart2 rmdir /tmp/24595 make: *** [stamp/build] Error 1 * * ERROR: app-office/openoffice-3.0.0 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_compile * environment, line 5415: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * make || die Build failed * The die message: * Build failed I have -java in my USE flags... That still doesn't show where the error occured, try to dig out the actual error in build.log, or attach it. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] forcing file removal, fails with ESTALE
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 18:13, Andrey Vul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to remove a file, yet it fails with ESTALE (Stale NFS file handle). I'm thinking that this is due to a corrupt inode but fsck fails to fix it. Is /lib/rc/console/unicode suppoed to be NFS or do I need to do a long hard fsck of /? -- Andrey Vul A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? It's just a stale handle, i.e., some process opened the file, but the file is then deleted, moved or renamed by another process. If you know what process is holding the handle of the non-existent file, restart it, if not, re-mount the file system. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deny flash to a specific user?
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:54, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Nov 2008, at 04:06, Albert Hopkins wrote: ... Why do you want to do this? ... I don't understand why. What is your justification for doing that? To prevent his kids from watching YouPorn. Stroller. In that case, isn't putting 127.0.0.1 ADDRESSES_TO_BE_BLOCKED into /etc/hosts easier? Or just set up a proxy. Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Deny flash to a specific user?
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 15:07, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10:05 Wed 19 Nov , Qian Qiao wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:54, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Nov 2008, at 04:06, Albert Hopkins wrote: ... Why do you want to do this? ... I don't understand why. What is your justification for doing that? To prevent his kids from watching YouPorn. Stroller. In that case, isn't putting 127.0.0.1 ADDRESSES_TO_BE_BLOCKED into /etc/hosts easier? Or just set up a proxy. Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. No, perhaps not, considering the fact that there are so many sites with pron. Maintaining such a massive hosts file is a disaster and worse still the solution is not fullproof. But then, FWIW such problems seldom have foolproof solutions. The idea of proxy is very valid(in particular the transparent proxy implementation), mixed with mime-type handling could do the trick. What complicates the situation slightly is that it is to be done for just one user. I don't personally use proxy so not sure about the implementation details. Perhaps somebody with the usage experience can provide a detailed solution, once we are sure as to the reason for the question. I did a quick google for linux parental control, turned out there are a couple of solutions, each with their strengths and weaknesses ofc. If it's parental control that the OP is after, then he can have a look at them. Then again, we are only guessing the OP's intention. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] download gentoo
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 15:12, chloe K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi how and where I can dowload 64 bit gentoo (intel and amd) thanks Take a look at the handbook[1], you don't download prebuilt gentoo like other binary distributions, you boot your system up with a livecd/usb - download the stage and portage tarballs, then build your system. HTH. Joe [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Headless gentoo install
I doubt if any livecd distro would have a default root password and enable SSH at the same time, cos that would be a serious security flaw. Btw, apologies if I am top-posting, bloody mobile won't let me edit the quoted text. On 14 Nov 2008, 12:10 PM, Momesso Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install gentoo on an headless server. The problem is that I cannot attach a video on it at all, neither for the installation. I asked the seller to setup the bios for cd boot as main option, so that I can use a live distro for the gentoo installation. I know for sure that both the gentoo livecd and systemrescuecd need user interaction to setup ssh (at least I have to choose a root password). I think it won't be too difficoult to do it blind: - Insert cd - Poweron the machine - Wait a while - Type passwd ** ** /etc/init.d/net.sshd restart But I'm sure somewhere there are livecds with a fixed root password, that start dhcp and sshd on boot. Possibly x86_64. Does anyone know such a livedistro, or can anybody suggest a different method for my installation? This is the machine: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:ITitem=280282897816
Re: [gentoo-user] Pb emerge cups
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:40, denis cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to emerge several packages that need cups but I keep getting this error (tried several mirror sites). Any help appreciated. Thanks Denis spcc08 ~ # emerge xscreensaver Calculating dependencies... done! Verifying ebuild Manifests... Emerging (1 of 7) net-print/cups-1.3.8-r2 to / Downloading 'http://gentoo.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2' --2008-11-12 03:23:52-- http://gentoo.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2 Resolving gentoo.cites.uiuc.edu... 128.174.5.78 Connecting to gentoo.cites.uiuc.edu|128.174.5.78|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 3978390 (3.8M) [application/x-tar] Saving to: `/usr/portage/distfiles/cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2' 100%[==] 3,978,390511K/s in 7.9s 2008-11-12 03:24:01 (489 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2' saved [3978390/3978390] * checking ebuild checksums ;-) ... [ ok ] * checking auxfile checksums ;-) ... [ ok ] * checking miscfile checksums ;-) ...[ ok ] * checking cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2 ;-) ... [ !! ] !!! Digest verification failed: !!! /usr/portage/distfiles/cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2 !!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size !!! Got: 3978390 !!! Expected: 3978466 spcc08 ~ # rm /usr/portage/distfiles/cups-1.3.8-source.tar.bz2 -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Pb emerge cups
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:48, denis cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried that but keep getting the error. Did you do a emerge --sync then? I had the same issue a few days ago, but I had a up-to-date portage tree, so in my case, removing the file did the trick. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Python blockage problem.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:14 PM, David Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: python-updater says it is blocked by an old version of python. Yet I have an up-to-date version of python installed. This is keeping me from upgrading. Any help appreciated. [snip] Please search the list for previous discussions of this. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. Richard M. Nixon - It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have to beat somebody.
Re: [gentoo-user] python-updater, boost and endless loop
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Yes you can, get rid of the old python, and it'll come out clean. If you want to be on the extra safe side, you can always recompile boost after getting rid of the old python. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. Mae West - I used to be Snow White, but I drifted.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dev-lang/python-2.3.6-r2 (is blocking app-admin/python-updater-0.5
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The root of the problem is really quite simple, you have a system with a python version python-updater doesn't like. The solution is actually quite simple: step 1. update python to 2.5, rebuild cracklib (afaik cracklib is the only system package that requires python), portage, gentookit. step 2. at this point, you can unmerge the old python, some packages *will* break, but you will still have a console that works fine, and your portage is built against the 2.5. step 3. emerge python-updater, since no python-2.3 is present, it'll emerge happily. step 4. run python-updater step 5. voila -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. Groucho Marx - A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dev-lang/python-2.3.6-r2 (is blocking app-admin/python-updater-0.5
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Nothing mysterious there, python-updater was trying to rebuild vte-0.16.12, which doesn't exist in the portage tree anymore. #emerge --update --oneshot vte then re-run python-updater, and you'll be fine. --Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge Eclipse fails
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Suma Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy eclipse-sdk have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-util/eclipse-sdk-3.2.1-r2 (masked by: required EAPI 1, supported EAPI 0) - dev-util/eclipse-sdk-3.2.1-r3 (masked by: required EAPI 1, supported EAPI 0) - dev-util/eclipse-sdk-3.3.1.1 (masked by: required EAPI 1, supported EAPI 0) - dev-util/eclipse-sdk-3.3.1.1-r1 (masked by: required EAPI 1, supported EAPI 0) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. The answer is right there. :) HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Re: [gentoo-user] Process on server, print on client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 1, 2008 1:39 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently processing orders one by one and I'd like to increase automation. I'm currently submitting an order number from my desktop to my server via firefox, and manually opening and printing the resultant receipt and shipping label. How would you guys suggest I set this up to batch so that I can process all orders with one click and have the resultant receipts and shipping labels print automatically, all at once? The printing part is what I'm having difficulty conceptualizing because I do all of my programming on the server side and the printing needs to happen on the client side. Not sure how to get those two working together. Both systems run Gentoo. Do you mean this? You submit stuff through http, then you want the server to process it and then generate a printable page? The simplest way is to have the server to produce a properly laid out HTML page, and in the body tag, do this: onLoad=window.print(), so it'll look like body onLoad=window.print(). Then all you have to do at the client side is to accept the print. HTH - -- Joe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHoywiYRtjrLFGYdkRAm4dAJ45Y9H3oXpZj8tk9gEda5/qhgLDPgCeJw4E bSxqYuwIpcPodIAdXyF34pM= =LX0t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xeffects overlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 b.n. wrote: Hi, It's a bit the xeffects overlay seems unreachable. I had a (admittedly brief) look on the web and it seems they are moving/rebuilding/refactoring it, but I had no info on how to find it now and/or when it will be back alive. Where can I look for instructions? m. The overlay has reached it's EOL[1]. HTH - -- Joe [1] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-641342.html - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG Key: 0xB14661D9 GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHo1tFYRtjrLFGYdkRAgU5AJ9nnXt4TUf7KRztUSnnsHqwEGAziwCeIU79 8RG1pimIq2s2P16VUzt8dgc= =2wE8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: Assuming you know what you are doing. If you've ever tried to help a number of less confident users through it, you'd know what I mean. While I don't disagree that a Gentoo live CD is absolutely necessary, you seem to be taking the argument further, saying that Gentoo should not have its own live CD. Why? Indeed, while as I've posted earlier in the list that users should free their mind, and not be too dependent on the Gentoo's LiveCD, I do see the value in users trying to contribute to the project by making a LiveCD, it's fairly beneficial to Gentoo: * Devs can still focus on the tree, on portage itself and/or other aspects of gentoo * This user developed CD will indeed open up more possibilities and give others more choice, without affecting the Gentoo magic touch if handled correctly. There are a few drawbacks and concerns, although it's much too early for some of them to become real concerns * QA. It's quite typical that if this CD fails in some rare cases, users will blame Gentoo * Automated installer or not, if there's this installer, how to balance between customization and freedom, I'm sure we all remember the auto partition option of the red hat CDs, and the headache it caused :D * Release cycle? * How much should be included on the CD? if we were to cater networkingless installation, a CD will only be enough for a minimal system. The lists above are by no means complete, but hopefully this thread sparks some ideas and interesting discussions in the list, which I, for one, have missed :) - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG Key: 0xB14661D9 GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHinObYRtjrLFGYdkRAomAAJwMrBTH5IQ08UoY309N1VIJ8IyH0gCg6UpD sQ1d0Gc1Eq0ROGqSDYMypHI= =nLmA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Relson wrote: Is it gentoo's goal to make the installation difficult so only a select group can do the install? Or is the goal to make gentoo a great distro? In the latter case, why not make the installation easy? The installation isn't difficult, Gentoo LiveCD or not, I'll elaborate: - - With Gentoo LiveCD: * Boot * Config network and load necessary modules (if it's not done automatically) * fdisk * mount * download and unpack stage tarball * chroot, config /etc/resolv.conf * emerge --sync * choose the correct profile * config /etc/make.conf * emerge -e system * emerge your kernel * emerge necessary tools * reboot - - Any other LiveCD, running linux distro: * Boot * Config network and load necessary modules (if it's not done automatically) * fdisk * mount * download and unpack stage tarball * chroot, config /etc/resolv.conf * emerge --sync * choose the correct profile * config /etc/make.conf * emerge -e system * emerge your kernel * emerge necessary tools * reboot OMG, no difference at all, so how is installing with any other LiveCD harder? I will say that being able to install Gentoo from any linux distro/LiveCD makes it unique and special, I will also elaborate: * To install Windoze, you need to get a copy of Windoze CD * To install FreeBSD, you need to get a copy of FreeBSD CD * To install OpenBSD, you need to get a copy of OpenBSD CD * To install NetBSD, you need to get a copy of NetBSD CD * To install Solaris, you need to get a copy of Solaris CD * To install MacOS, you need to get a copy of MacOS CD * To install Aix, you need a copy of Aix CD * To install RedHat, you need a copy of RedHat CD * To install Ubuntu, you need a copy of Ubuntu CD * etc etc * To install Gentoo, you need a copy of *any random* linux live CD or even inside you current Linux I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in what way is being able to install Gentoo from any LiveCD/distro a bad thing? In everyway it should be considered one of Gentoo's strengths? - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG Key: 0xB14661D9 GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHiS43YRtjrLFGYdkRAqt/AJ48NQA7EBWMjNcTE16eTpHT2brQ9ACeKYjS RvnxTSHvj9p2w1T3I6dViDg= =u61E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
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Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With just sources, you can't do anything. Even when you built your LFS
you have to download first you toolchain as binaries, before
re-compilation. To compile a compiler. you need a compiler. Good.
But what is the problem ? No issue here. You just know that without a
working PC and toolchain binaries, there is nothing to do.
Should we consider that LFS is not a true custom-made system and loads
the dice ? Of course not, since in the end, you get the expected
result.
Same thing here. You are telling me that my not-bootable linux system
-possibly out of any network- won't face any issue since there is a
repository containing Gentoo sources somewhere and that PXE are not
for dogs. Okay... tel me how to install Gentoo in that case. On the
contrary, I think installCD is a response to an existing need, and it
worth bringing solutions to existing needs.
Gentoo is not for me since I can't boot on PXE ? I don't want to give
one cent to each Gentoo user that can't boot on PXE but needs an
installCD/liveCD first.
What is the problem installing Gentoo from a different liveCD, e.g. Knoppix,
then?
As I've said in a earlier email, they are good at making live CDs, take
advantage of it, Gentoo's repository is good and suits the need of people who
want choices and customisation, take advantage of that too.
What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo LiveCD
instead of a Knoppix CD? None!
Stop binding you mind to the concept that I have to install a Gentoo from a
Gentoo CD, it's not true, start looking at a broader perspective.
Installing Gentoo from other LiveCDs/distros is just as easy as installing from
a Gentoo LiveCD: fdisk, mount, chroot, and emerge. All of these steps are well
documented too.
- -- Joe
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A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers
the go to harmful rather than the destination.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 1:46 PM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's sent multipart, so the pure text can be used alone for users like Qian Qiao. That's how I've set up my kmail (I can view it as html if I wish) To be honest, it's not really a big deal for a list like this. The text is 492 bytes, the html is 867 bytes and the whole thing is 4.5k In other words, the text and html *together* are still smaller than the headers :-) I can view you messages as plain text fine, but not Dales, might be something on my part, will have a loot. -- Joe -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?
On Jan 11, 2008 10:38 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008, Galevsky wrote: You can say that devs have no time to make it, but please, don't tell that Gentoo doesn't need any installCD (outdated means no CD at all for many computers nowaday). Please tell me where I said any such thing. I'll give you a clue - I didn't. I asked you why you think the install CD needs updated. Apparently your answer to that is that you have a ICH9 machine. That's fine, it's reasonable to need that supported on the BootCD. Was it really necessary to take out your frustrations/whatever with the installer on me on a public mailing list? Hmmm? Isn't it true that not everything can be supported anyway? The CD can hold only so much data before it runs out of space. I suspect that some older hardware is not included to make room for more recent hardware. Also, at the rate things comes out, a new CD would have to be made every few months to keep up. From what I have read on -dev, it is harder to make the CD than some realize. They have a lot to consider on what to include and what to leave out. To clarify, I am talking about the CD that includes distfiles and a snapshot. The minimal CD and DVD is a separate matter. Dale I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text, at least in this list. Thanks -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:15:49 -0500 David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used the Gentoo LiveCD when I started with Gentoo in 2006. Prior Linux experience covered 8 or so years with Slackware, RedHat, and Mandrake. The installation was not smooth. My recollection is that the GUI installer asked for the same information multiple times and there were problems installing packages from the CD's. I ended up with a partial install that needed manual fixing. The process was painful, not smooth, but I was able to get Gentoo up and running. When I upgraded from 32-bits to 64-bits, I started with the minimal CD and did a manual upgrade. The process worked well though it was time consuming (since I used my old world file to ensure I had 64 bit versions of everything). By contrast, I've done multiple Mandrake/Mandriva installs, most recently about 6 months ago (on an old laptop). The Mandriva install was dead simple and it was up and running within an hour. IMHO, for new users to Gentoo having an easy to use installer and a current LiveCD (no more than 6 months old) is very important. Regards, David IMO, comparing a source distro with a binary distro in terms of installation time is a bit unfair. There are a couple of other things you also have to look at: * Binary distros vendors need to optimize for compatibility. Take i686 as an example, the same binary might be running on Pentium III, Pentium 4, Athlon and a series of other hardwares. The advantage is quite obvious, if you ask for vendor support, they know exactly how the software is compiled, what compiler flag they used, what patches they applied. The disadvantage is also obvious, say a particular compiler flag can increase the performance of the software on your architecture, but breaks compatibility of the binaries with other architectures, do you think the vendor will have that flag set? * Source distros, on the contrary, lets you control how you want your software to be build, what flags to use etc etc, at the price of much much longer compilation time and much harder for vendors to support you. In someway, you can even think that source distros lets to you imprint you personality onto your system, you can go for aggressive -O3, or just optimize size for -Os, you can - -mfpmath=sse if you know you have the hardware. Back to the installation CD issue, undoubtably, having a nice working installation CD for gentoo is desirable, but is it really needed? We are here to do what we are best at. LiveCD creators, Knoppix, for example, are good at creating liveCDs and keeping hardware support on those CDs up-to-date etc etc, we should take advantage of it. Gentoo has a huge package repository, I'd much rather see the devs focus on making that better, cos that's what they are good at. There's no need to look at different distros with borders and boundaries and have you mind bound on the concept that I need to use a gentoo CD to install gentoo. All these distros/liveCDs are here to help us get the job done, isn't that what free software is about? Isn't that what choice is about? - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHh3bQYRtjrLFGYdkRAk/AAKCxkBz3qh06b7trQANYJfttVdJzhACeLYmN KAp9ds76DiiQv+Dw3spyBhQ= =2Wr/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Martin wrote: I installed Gentoo from inside Ubuntu 6.10 (my previous system) through chroot. This was because I couldn't use a LiveCD as I have an AMD64 based system. Knoppix and many other LiveCDs are 32bit, as that is currently what a majority of computers out there are. So, unless you can point me to a 64bit LiveCD that isn't some alternate version of a binary distribution I believe we still need a Gentoo install CD. There are in fact quite of few of 64bit LiveCDs. Knoppix64 being one of them. A simple Google gives me this: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php where you can even filter LiveCDs. Some people's arguments are that we should rely on other LiveCDs to build a Gentoo system as this will give the devs more time to work on things that they feel are more important. I would agree with them normally, but I'd rather download one CD that contains all the stuff I need than download a Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Mandriva LiveCD (all of those distributions provide a 64bit LiveCD) and the stage tarball. Even with a LiveCD with a stage tarball on it, you will still need to download additional stuff during the installation, you will still need to sync the portage tree if you want your system to be up-to-date. It's almost the same as to downloading a LiveCD and downloading the tarball separately, so I honestly don't think you can save much work by having a stage tarball on a LiveCD. Sure, if you're on a 32bit system, any LiveCD will work well for building a Gentoo system. However, if you happen to be one of the growing number of people who have purchased a 64bit system (such as an AMD Athlon, Opteron, or an Intel Pentium D (some models), Pentium Dual core (E21xx series), Core 2 Duo/Quad, or a Xeon system) and want to run Gentoo 64bit, your install options are suddenly very limited. I myself have 3 machines, a Athlon64X2, a Core2 Duo and a Pentium III, I've used Gentoo minimal, Knoppix and Knoppix64 CDs during my installation on these 3 machines and I haven't encounter any problem using any of them, and that's why I said earlier in the thread that LiveCDs really doesn't matter, as long as you can boot, fdisk, mount, chroot, emerge, you are fine :) I hope I've provided you with some useful information. - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHh+89YRtjrLFGYdkRAqubAKC+5mfW9+EYTyd8eKSo5H/G4DVbZQCg3aF9 0aYjVKGwCEKwQJ+hRzO8Ao0= =Hjvf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galevsky wrote: Yes it is. Portage is not included Huh? If are talking about installation, then whether the LiveCD carries portage or not is irrelavent, portage is in the stage tarball you fetch over the internet. you depend on other systems that don't mind about Gentoo needs and could go on different way, and I find very strange to have a 2.6.23 stable in Gentoo, but not necessary on other liveCD at the same time. You don't depend on the LiveCD, it merely boots your computer and gives you fdisk and mount, as soon as you unpack the stage tarball and chroot into it, you are using the binaries from the stage tarball and gentoo's base-layout, and at that point, what the LiveCD is becomes completely irrelavent, so I'm afraid I can't agree with you here. plus networkless installations... I think it is very good -for any distro- to have an installCD that brings a good system to not-connected machines. Just for them. Networkless installations is well documented. Even without gentoo's LiveCD, it can easily be done, some LiveCDs allow you to switch disc, or you can just use portable medias like USB flash. If you Google for it, there are plenty of guides and tutorials, so I won't go into details. I mean dealing with Gentoo components versions sounds sensible watching GRML/Knoppix/whatever website for a Gentoo install...surely less. As I said in the thread earlier, do not bind your mind to the idea that you need gentoo to install gentoo, the fact is, you don't. The installation steps from knoppixCD/GRML is almost identical to those from a Gentoo CD, with only one exception: they don't come with /mnt/gentoo, so you'll have to mkdir /mnt/gentoo, but if that makes it less sensible as you claimed, I'm afraid I can't agree. - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHh/MbYRtjrLFGYdkRAke5AKCyoN34Yv3WyupfkcdavNiFxx495wCfcR1y ghjiHu1RP65yHB/DQLIX0Hw= =LHBM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HTML vs. Text messages (WAS: Is GWN dead?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Martin wrote: I'll keep that in mind when I am sending email to the list from Thunderbird. I'm also aware that many corporations block HTML mail to lower the risk of a staff member opening up an infected/laced email (generally on a Windows computer) so text emails are more advantageous in that regard. Randy, why aren't you out here making sure everyone's mom is aware of all the thread hijacking going on? -Hal I must apologize for hijacking the original thread, there was a couple of messages from another list user that I had difficulties reading. Now that we are all aware the matter, it is perhaps time to end the discussion here. - -- Joe - -- A computer scientist is someone who, when told go to hell, considers the go to harmful rather than the destination. GnuPG FP: DE08 57AE A1AD 620C 02AA CCDD 611B 63AC B146 61D9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHiAjfYRtjrLFGYdkRAtU1AKC6ZTOe6OFcf7G/KbRnwyOSTA/+BACfTp/P /fslG8D9wZcz4Mg8Fi0EEiA= =vO6c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiz-Fusion
On Dec 31, 2007 5:23 PM, Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using compiz-fusion on this list? I'm putting together a system I'll be using to demo linux. compiz-fusion appears to be the eye-candy that would make a demo shine. I see that its in portage (masked) any gotchas I should be aware of before proceeding? Compiz-fusion still have problems with due screens tho. Menu pots up very slowly. It's been discussed quite a lot on the internet, you can google for it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Any reason to keep older gcc?
On Dec 30, 2007 2:58 AM, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 02:41:55AM +, Qian Qiao wrote The usual suspects? It should list nothing if the dependencies are handled properly. OK, I'll admit that I cheated somewhat when installing Gentoo. - I started off with a basic stage 3 install - I did *NOT* emerge X; I ran emerge bbkeys - bbkeys is the keyboard macro manager for blackbox, so it obviously depends on blackbox - blackbox is a Window Manager, so it depends on X - X depends on a gazillion libraries I let portage sort out what to pull in. See attachment dep.txt for a list of depclean suggestions. See attachment deplist.txt for output of a script that ran equery depends on all the suggested packages to remove. Portage should handle transitive dependencies no problem, so my guess is that you have your system for a long time, and over the period, this is what happened: - package-old.version, pulled in dependency-some.version, which depends on further-dependency-some.other.version - package was upgraded to package-new.version which doesn't depend on dependency-some.version anymore - you have dependency-some.version on your system, which depends on further-dependency-some.other.version, but isn't really reachable by the current dependency tree - depclean tries to get rid of those, but produces a very scary output with seemingly useful packages listed. I cannot be 100% sure on that, so I recommend you do the following steps 1. make sure USE flags for all your packages are properly set, don't use USE=flag emerge package, actually edit /etc/portage/package.use 2. do a emerge --deep --newuse --update world so that all packages pick up the correct USE flags and hence dependent libraries. 3. emerge -pv depclean, it'll explain what pulled what in. 4. At this point, it should be safe to emerge depclean to get rid of the obsolete dependencies 5. revdep-rebuild Try equery depends =gcc-3*, without the quotes obviously. If none of the packages you installed depends on gcc-3*, you should be able to get rid of it safely. [m3000][root][~] equery depends =gcc-3* [ Searching for packages depending on =gcc-3*... ] sys-libs/glibc-2.6.1 (=sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4) sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.6 (=sys-devel/gcc-3.3.3_pre20040130) www-client/links-2.1_pre28-r1 (sys-devel/gcc) It looks like nothing depends on gcc-3*. looks safe to me. Don't forget a revdep-rebuild after the emerge -C =gcc-3* HTH. -- Joe -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Any reason to keep older gcc?
On Dec 28, 2007 12:37 AM, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My current version of gcc appears to be 4.12 [m3000][waltdnes][~] gcc --version gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Gentoo 4.1.2 p1.0.1) ...snip disclaimer... emerge -p --depclean lists the usual suspects, which I know not to unmerge. The following entry has me wondering... The usual suspects? It should list nothing if the dependencies are handled properly. sys-devel/gcc selected: 3.4.6-r2 protected: none omitted: 4.1.2 Would there be any reason to keep the older gcc 3.46? I'm not familiar enough with Gentoo under-the-hood to decide. Try equery depends =gcc-3*, without the quotes obviously. If none of the packages you installed depends on gcc-3*, you should be able to get rid of it safely. HTH -- Joe -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS for Pentium Dual Core E2160 ?
On Nov 10, 2007 2:18 PM, David W Noon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you change the CHOST, CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS variables, then do: emerge -e system emerge -e world you will have converted everything except your kernel to 64-bit. This was what you were planning anyway, but the change of CHOST as well will give you a 64-bit toolchain. The only problems will be packages that are stable on x86 but still unstable on amd64 or causing similar problems during rebuild. But these can be skipped by doing: emerge --resume --skipfirst A quick rebuild of the kernel and your system will be wall-to-wall 64-bit and running at maximum speed. I don't see it as a major task, other than waiting for the re-emerge of world to complete, which could take a couple of days. I don't believe you can do that. You can't build a 64bit system from a 32bit by simply changing the CHOST afaik. If you absolutely want a 64bit system, backup and reinstall. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS for Pentium Dual Core E2160 ?
On Nov 10, 2007 12:19 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greets, I recently bought a new CPU for my mythtv-box, it's a Pentium Dual E2160 Currently I use CFLAGS=-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer as I moved the system over from a Pentium 4 (which just crashed). Things work fine so far, I checked google and http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags for a hint, also browsed the GCC-docs, but haven't yet found anything specific. It's not really important, I don't face any problems, but as I just think of it again I thought I just post a request, as that CPU isn't mentioned in that Wiki-page. Any recommended -march for that CPU? Maybe it helps with mythtv. Thanks in advance, Stefan. === (the following shows 1200 MHz because of cpufreqd ...) # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 15 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2160 @ 1.80GHz stepping: 13 cpu MHz : 1200.000 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm bogomips: 3601.80 clflush size: 64 -march=nocona is what you are looking for. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Unable to emerge with nss_ldap in use.
Hi, I've come across this very strange problem. I have a few work stations configured to use pam_ldap and nss_ldap. The portage user and portage group are on the local machines, i.e, in /etc/passwd and /etc/group. with passwd: files ldap shadow: files ldap group: files ldap in /etc/nsswitch.conf getent passwd shows the protage user just fine, same goes for the portage group. However emerge will not work. If I emerge a package, it fails at downloading packages, looks like it doesn't have permission to write to /usr/portage/distfiles. setting /etc/nsswitch.conf to: passwd: compat shadow: compat group: compat will allow me to emerge packages, however, ldap users won't be able to log on. Have I done anything wrong? I did google for the answer, however, I wasn't able to find any. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I'm going crazy ;-)
On 4/28/06, Sergio Polini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's happening about locales/languages? I've tried to install PHP-Nuke and Xoops, but one of them (I don't remember which one, now ;-)) doesn't like utf8 encoding, because it creates too long primary keys for MySQL. So I remerged MySQL and replaced utf8 with latin1 in /etc/mysql/my.conf. I've emerged Mediawiki (thanks Ric!) with the math USE flag, but when I try to save a page containing a formula I get the error message: 1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (localhost) Yes! My wikidb database was created with latin1_swedish_ci collation!!! And phpmyadmin says to me that MySQL charset is utf8!!! Who has set those collation values??? I didn't... Sergio That's exactly the reason we still use mysql 4.0 in our production environment. The mysql charset thingy is basically a whole load of mess. A brief search on mysql's bug database shows some of the encoding bugs and unicode key length not correctly calculated are still not properly fixed yet they pushed their production version to 5.0. We might be switching to postgres, at least it supports views, triggers and handles encoding properly. The only thing preventing us from doing so is that we use Mantisbt, which only works with mysql. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/6/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Rout wrote: To everyone in this thread: it would probably help if you specified which version of portage you are running! Do you really think it is important? Because since I'm using Gentoo, I do not take care about versions, portage does it instead of me. All I do is running this set of commands every night from crontab: emerge --sync emerge --update --deep --newuse world emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild So my portage is also always updated, to the last stable version. Now it is 2.0.51.22-r3... Omg, you have emerge --deep --newuse --update world as a *cron* job? -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2chap=1#doc_chap3 copypaste= Updating your System To keep your system in perfect shape (and not to mention install the latest security updates) you need to update your system regularly. Since Portage only checks the ebuilds in your Portage tree you first have to update your Portage tree. Code Listing 2: Updating the Portage tree # emerge --sync When your Portage tree is updated, you can update your system with emerge --update world ... Code Listing 16: Removing orphaned dependencies # emerge --update --deep --newuse world # emerge --depclean # revdep-rebuild Could some of you, gentoo-wizards, be kind enough and explain, what is wrong in doing the things the way gentoo handbook recommends it? Without offensive language, if I may ask... The idea is very simple: some upgrades are not compatible with what you have previously installed. A very good example will be the recent change to Apache. The configuration files moved. A lot of people who blindly upgraded due to either seeing but not reading, or cron jobs had their system borked. To make things worse, they started whining, in the forums, on the ML, and probably other places. When maintaining a system, it is good to know what each upgrade does, and take necessary precautions. The devs can have the ebuild to print out warning messages, but will your cron be able to catch it? To elabrate even more: Redhat, suse and possibly other distro users can do cron upgrades, as those distros never give out in-compatible upgrades to a release. Those upgrades will wait until the next release, where everything is upgraded, and the users will need to re-install the whole system and possible pay more for the next release. Things are done differently here in Gentoo, everything is dynamic, a carefully carried out upgrade can bring a 1.4 to current, which is amazing I have to say. Because of this, it is inevitable that some upgrades will not be compatible. Whilst the devs made every effort to keep you warned/informed, it is *your* responsibility to carry out the upgrades properly. And a cron job simply isn't the proper way. Hope I made the reason clear enough. Finally, please don't get offended. We were not meant to do that. Try dig out your sense of humour, :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That might happen, sooner o later. But still I think it is still better than leaving some hole for uninvited visitors. You'd rather having a b0rked system, than some uninvited visitors... Hmmm. One piece of advice: turn that system off. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I prefer rather breaking some dependencies in my system, over leaving some security hole in it. I am fully aware of the possibility that some services might be unavailable, but logsentry and monit will inform me about it... If your server a production server? Tell me how log entries are gonna inform you if the init scripts can't even start the service? Maintain servers includes maintaining *usability* as well as security. Some of the updates aren't security updates, they are merely feature additions, might in fact introduce more security issues. Furthermore, if you can't even maintain usability of the system, I don't see how or why you need to keep it secure, that system won't work anyways. Let me just give you one more example: A upgrade to the PAM library might require you to restart sshd, otherwise new connections may not auth. That information will be printed on the screen after the new PAM library is merged. However that will not appear in the emerge.log. Tell me, how you are gonna know that you should restart your sshd if that upgrade was carried out by a cron job. To make things worse, just imagine, that system is a remote system, and is maintained through ssh. Pfff. Anyway, good luck with being an admin. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: java-config issues
On 11/7/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well using 'python-updater' env-update source /etc/profile etc-update and 'emerge -uD world' everything is fine now. Where does one read about python-updater ? It was printed on the screen when you update your python package. Did you do your upgrades through a cron? Or did you do it non-attended? Please don't do that... -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b.n. wrote: Polite and respectful. They don't look that much. Well, I always thought that using the words like please is a sign of respect to others. On the other side, some of replies included phrases like ...it bloody matters!... or how the hell would we know...! or Jarry needs variable BRAVE_YET_DUMB=1. Although such words do not sound good to me, I would never dare to say their authors are arrogant... You are just brave and dumb. Take a look at how many people explained or attempted to explain why running upgrades as cron jobs is a dumb thing do to, and you simply neglected them. To make things worse, you stated: I prefer rather breaking some dependencies in my system, over leaving some security hole in it. Which is plain bs. I asked the question seriously. When I switched to gentoo, everybody told me ...c'mon, come'n'try gentoo, there are no versions like in redhat, suse or debian, it is always updated! Suddenly there are versions... (BTW, I wrote I was impressed by portage speed last week, during upgrade. It means I could not have old portage version) As well as brave and dumb, you are also ignorant. There are versions, and it is clearly mentioned in the documentations. It's always up-to-date doesn't mean there are no versions. There are no *releases*, but there are versions. Back to the arrogance bit, people give you advices or suggestions, in the hope that you could maintain your system better, you are perfectly entitled to stick to your no-so-bright way, but you can't stop us thinking that defending those *wrong* ways are somewhat arrogant. Again, good luck with your server maintenance. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, Jarry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trim doh, everything is trimmed. :D /trim Let's leave the brave, dumb, ignorance, arrogance out, and concentrate on maintaining a server, especially production servers with clients. First of all, I should point out that maintaining a server is far more than just keeping everything up to date, it is more about providing all of the clients consistent and stable services. To provide such services of such quality, down times should be kept minimal. Thus, b0rked system with no security holes mean no value to clients as they need a working system. Also, major changes should be kept minimal, some software make major configuration file changes once in a while, and that should be avoided. Having your clients to change their file/code to match your setting will leave you with unhappy clients who may just leave. System restarts, hmmm, a few times in a year is probably a lot. Some software restarts should also be avoided. For example, a webserver restart will cause all http clients to lose their session, and all the data stored in the session. There may well be important data in the session, thus doing so is just irresponsible. So now the ultimate question: when should updates by applied to the system, and what shall be applied. 1. Security fixes. Gentoo provides emerge --security, which prints out security advices based on the packages installed on your system. You should keep an eye on that, rather than upgrading everything. 2. Popular feature request. If most of you clients request MySQL 4.1 while you are running 4.0, you should probably upgrade. 3. Bug fixes. For example, a few clients run into a well known bug in PHP3, you should probably take the opportunity to upgrade it to PHP4. As to how there upgrades shall be applied: 1. Upgrades that are transparent can be applied immediately. Transparent means no configuration change, no service interruption expected. 2. Inform everyone about the upgrades that will cause down time, and give them an estimated time of when these upgrades are applied, and roughly how long the down time is expected. 3. Schedule maintenance slots. You clients should always know what to expect from you. With all the above considerations in mind, I'm pretty sure that a cron job for the updates is a brave yet not-so-bright move, and should be avoided. BTW, the above short guild is in no way official or complete, it is just my personal experience. There maybe other people who wants to amend, or there may well be special considerations from your side. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I left out an important note: major upgrades, feature upgrades should always be tested on a test server before applying to production. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage: fixed or not???
On 11/7/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand the paranoia of having your servers hacked but there is usually a middle ground that works reasonably well. I run a script nightly via cron but all it does is do a portage sync and then *prebuild* binary packages for any important updates before sending an email in them morning. I have to apply the updates manually but this gives you a chance to test and/or rollback if need be. The only downside is that manual intervention is required - can't have everything I suppose. Unless we have a tool with enough intelligence to read the message spit out by the ebuild during the upgrade, and handle them correctly, I'd guess system administration is still a manual job. I do have cron jobs, but what they do are: emerge --sync, emerge --security. and do monthly/nightly backup. For software upgrades, I do them by hand, and most of the time, one-by-one. Just to ensure everything is working as intended. Hmmm, working as intended, no one here play WoW on EU realms right, :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: java-config issues
On 11/8/05, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 08:48:20PM +, Qian Qiao wrote: On 11/7/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well using 'python-updater' env-update source /etc/profile etc-update and 'emerge -uD world' everything is fine now. Where does one read about python-updater ? It was printed on the screen when you update your python package. Did you do your upgrades through a cron? Or did you do it non-attended? Please don't do that... Can't resist: you left out one option. I do my updates unattended: I sync, I look at what should be updated, set emerge up to run over night to update those packages, and go to bed. BUT! I did set PORT_LOGDIR in /etc/make.conf and I check the next morning to see if there are any important messages from einfo or ewarn. To be honest, I can't quite imagine you staring at the screen for 2 bloody hours the next time you update glibc, or mozilla, or kde... =D Easy enough, pipe the output to a text file. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --security
On 11/8/05, John J. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening all, Just before I had to kill-file a thread earlier today, I saw mention of emerge --security Running this on my system produces: //garbanzo/root # emerge --security !!! Error: --security is an invalid option. This is with portage-2.0.51.22-r3. Is this an option in an upcoming version? Take a look at here, it's not there yet. It should be: # glsa-check -t all that you are interested in, :) -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Pin an ebuild (mysql)
On 11/5/05, David Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently did an emerge -uavD world like I ususally do, and it failed trying to upgrade mysql from 4.0 to 4.1. Well, I'd really like to need to keep 4.0 around. Is there some way to say, don't upgrade mysql when I emerge -uavD world? Even better, is there a way to have both versions of mysql installed? Naturally, I want to do this with portage (I know I could figure out how to do all this without portage.) echo =dev-db/mysql-4.1 /etc/portage/package.mask That'll do it. HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --sync
On 11/2/05, Martins Steinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, got this error not the first time, shouldnt there be a sync option to sync part of portage not the whole thingy? 002617 !!! Digest verification Failed: 002618 !!!/usr/portage/dev-python/pyrex/pyrex-0.9.3.1.ebuild 002619 !!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size 002620 002621 Please ensure you have sync'd properly. Please try 'emerge sync' and 002622 optionally examine the file(s) for corruption. A sync will fix most cases. You can either wait for a re-sync, or do a:- # ebuild /path/to/the/ebuild digest -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] -mtune for P4M (dothan)
On 11/2/05, Patrick Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed: it seems that Intel has two pages for their mobile version of the Pentium 4. shrug This is the second one, and (guessing by the name) is probably what the flag is really for: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4-m/index.htm Hmmm, it looks like dothan should be a pentium-m. Thanks to everybody replied. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] -mtune for P4M (dothan)
After going through the GCC docs, i've decided to use: -march=pentium3 -mmmx -msse -msse2. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] -mtune for P4M (dothan)
On 11/2/05, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: After going through the GCC docs, i've decided to use: -march=pentium3 -mmmx -msse -msse2. I don't really recommend that. A few things may have compile errors if you globally use -mmmx, -msse, and -msse2. Instead, I suggest you set the mmx and sse USE flags, and let portage add those CFLAGS for those packages where it actually makes a difference and is supported. Thx for the tip, i've taken them out, and added use flags accordingly. Also, don't forget -fomit-frame-pointer and -pipe. I've got those 2 flags already. :) -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mobile phone connection..
On 11/1/05, Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that non-standard? I only see * sys-fs/udev Latest version available: 068 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 436 kB Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html Description: Linux dynamic and persistent device naming support (aka userspace devfs) License: GPL-2 in portage, and as you can see I don't have it installed. When was the last time you emerge --sync? and you are still using devfs? Google for gentoo udev guild, it'll tell you how to switch to udev. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] -mtune for P4M (dothan)
Hi, Trying to install gentoo on a notebook with a P4M (dothan), wondering what -mtune should I go for, the GCC manual says: pentium-m Low power version of Intel Pentium3 CPU with MMX, SSE and SSE2 instruction set support. Used by Centrino notebooks. pentium4, pentium4m Intel Pentium4 CPU with MMX, SSE and SSE2 instruction set support. So shall I choose pentium-m? or pentium4m? TIA -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] German Wiki pages
On 11/1/05, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gentoo-wiki.com isn't owned or maintained by gentoo. Is there any effort to synchronize the wiki pages? I doubt there is any. Would there be any problems if I translated the page and put it in the english version? Do I need to get someone's permission? Copyright issues? According to gentoo-wiki.com, documentations there are under Gnu Free Documentation License unless stated otherwise. You I'd guess you probably can translate them. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] German Wiki pages
On 11/1/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/05, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gentoo-wiki.com isn't owned or maintained by gentoo. The 2nd gentoo there was meant to be Gentoo Foundation, my bad. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/31/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: If I am that big of a headache, so sorry I came here. I used to wonder why more people didn't try to help people that use Linux, I beginning to see why. You join a list and have to turn yourself upside down to please everyone else. It gives me a headache now. You are not turning yourself upside down, and you don't have to. Not sending HTML and try not to top-post isn't that hard to do, almost everybody else on this list knows how to do that, and I don't see why you can't. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/31/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that last one worked right either. It was supposed to ask before sending, it didn't. I added this domain to plain text, something I just lucked up and found in preferences. Maybe this will work. Let me know if it does or not. It worked. :) -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/31/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, I feel turned upside down. I'm not everybody else either, I'm me. I like to help people but I don't want to change who I am to do it. It's just like moving into a new neighbourhood, you have to take your time to get acquainted, it is natural to feel a bit uncomfortable at the begining, but that's not how it is. Once you get used to things, you'll be part of that neighbourhood. People on the list do plaintext messages and stuff not just for themselves, but the entire list. I understand you are here to help, so don't let your effort be undermined simply because others filter HTML messages and you happen to send them out. Is this better? Much better, :) It should be text whatever, not HTML. I'm getting to where I don't want to reply at all. Maybe I don't have enough to offer here. To be really honest, I have only ever used Mozilla mail for this list and have no clue what you guys, and Holly, are talking about with text only stuff. I have never seen a command line email before. I built this rig about three years ago, my first computer that was mine, and picked Linux over windoze. Everyone has something to offer, and everyone will have questions. Again, as I've said, don't let HTML ruin your chance of offering or getting help. I'm not entirely against HTML, but if I'm on a list, I'd follow the list's culture, :) Don't feel isolated, you aren't. We did what we did in the hope that you'll get to know the list, and how things work here quicker, so you can adapt yourself to the list, and begin to see the benefit of it. We aren't trying to drive you away mate, :) We are doing just the opposite. Hope that'll make you feel better. :) -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Ok, i top post, just for you, :)Imagine someone who wasn't following the thread need to do to pick up this thread:1. Scroll all the way to the bottom, read Ted's message.2. Scroll a bit upwards, to read you message 3. Then scroll all the way to the top, to read mine.I can hardly say it is *logical* to read a thread backwards. Another example: try to name one forum/BBS system that displays the newest reply on the top when viewing a thread. BTW,how did you likemy HTML? I bet you enjoyed it. You just don't understand that most people dislike top-posting and HTML messages for a reason. You've got every right to use whatever you wish in your personal mails, but this is a public list, try to be considerate mate. -- JoeOn 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I post mine on top so I assume that is top posting.Correct?Now you will see what I mean by mixing the two. LOL Dale Ted Kaczmarek wrote: On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 03:31 -0600, Dale wrote: I agree with your reasons but some of the others have reasons too. Ido like my reason better though. LOL I put LOL for those who readtext only and not HTML. LOL, again.I don't think anybody is getting anal about it. I always look at itthis way, if someone doesn't want to help me with something, I don'twant their help anyway. I help because I like it not because someonehas a gun to my head, or top posts. If someone bottom posts, I'llscroll down and see if I can help.I do wish someone would pick a way and let it be the only way though.It gets confusing when some top post and some bottom post. Thatreally wears out my mouse wheel. Go down, read a bit, then go up andread a bit, then back down again, repeat, repeat. That is when itgets confusing.Dale:-) Than why did you top post?Ted -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world:Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything.Sometimes money can't even buy a gun...
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can post how you like. Please dont change your ways on my accord. I was replying Dale's message, :) Um did you not read my previous message? Obviously not, mate... I agree with you on the HTML, gmail enabled it by default. I disabled it after you pointed it out, so thank you. I did, and as said before, I was replying Dale's message. Quite honestly top, middle or bottom posting all seems indifferent to me. Correct me if I am wrong here but I thought the information was the important part of the message not whether it is located at the top or at the bottom? Hmmm guess I was wrong, I now be more considerate and concern myself with the layout of my messages rather then helping people. In the interests of keeping you happy and god forbid all other people who are more concerned with layout happy I will cease my evil ways of top posting. You see, you've just shown an example of the problem top posting could've caused, you weren't even aware that I was replying Dale's message. Let me put things this way: 1. Starting a flame wasn't what was intended, I was merely trying to tell you that it is considered by most people, not just me, that HTML and top-posting should be avoided. 2. I do help people if I can, whether they top-post and HTML or not. 3. The information is important, so don't let how it's presentated ruin it. As I've said earlier, many people still use command line for their emails, when you ask for help or propose a wonderful idea through a HTML message, it just make us feel isolated, :P, simply because our client can't parse HTML. Furthermore, HTML messages could cause security issuses. Personally, i think it is natural, for others who want to know a thread is about to starting from the OP, then go down to see the replies, isn't it? And top-posting will force them to start from the bottom. Eeew, bottom, :P I don't know where you get the idea that being considerate in a list will stop you from helping people or getting helps. :) It does just the opposite. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did see a forum once that lets you put the posts in reverse order, most recent at the top. I would sort of like that. I'm on a very slow dial-up and I can likely read the new post before the rest of the page can even load up. That wasn't the default setting, was it? :) It's for people with special needs. Another thing, plain text message might save you precious bandwidth, :) especially for dial-up users. I'm not a rocket scientist but I can usually remember what's going on in a thread or list like this one. If I don't remember it, then I wasn't following it anyway. So you don't pick up threads half way? Nor do you search list archives? Hmmm How you like this on the bottom? LOL Progress, :) Trimming will make it even clearer, and reader friendly. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, If I think I'm helping someone, I don't care if they top or bottom post or post like you did below, middle posting I guess. I certainly won't care if someone is helping me. If you were asking for help, you might as well ask for it nicely. :) The one thing that confuses me is keeping up with who is who. I'm awful at names. I have to work at it to get my girlfriends name right. I actually have it plastered on my monitor to remind me. Just to be safe, I call her Sweety. Don't get me wrong though, I love her dearly but I suck at names. I'm good at remembering faces though. I may not know their name but I know I know them. Confusing huh? Bottom posting will help. :) As least it will help keeping everything in context, you'll know exactly which paragraph I am answering. If someone wants me to reply on the bottom, say so, I'll scroll down and type away. I'm not sweating this at all. I find it sort of funny really. All this over where to type. LOL, for those text users. :-D for those HTML users. Yeah, mankind also had talks on where to pee, where to smoke, where to have sex and stuff. Keep laughing mate. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob schrieb: Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff? dd if=/dev/zero of=file rm file I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, don't we have to figure out a way to erase the journal entry too? Or does the journaling work differently? -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is trimming? Now I am middle posting. Deleting the bits that are out of context, to keep the message relatively smaller in size. Dial-up users benefit from trimming and not using HTML, :) When we trim, especially on mailing lists, we trim other's signatures, just to keep things neat. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel updates
On 10/30/05, Tim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * On 27.10.2005 Qian Qiao wrote: # cat /var/lib/portage/world grep sys-kernel UUOC I stand corrected. grep sys-kernel /var/lib/portage/world is a neater way. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale wrote: I found it. Is this better? I'm a bottom feeder, um poster. LOL I even took out some of the clutter above. Well done, :) Trimming could be extremely useful, when you see a thread with over 30 replies. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: Honestly, I like it all together in one place. That way you don't have to dig for it. I delete emails that are more than a week or so old. I do save the ones that have passwords to sites I have joined or something but the rest are generally gone. I do see your point. It makes it easier on the server and on us poor dial-up users. I duno. Makes me no difference. You don't have to keep the messages, archive of this list can be found on the net. The setting is under mail and server settings by the way. Your sig confuses me. Three kinds of people but it only lists two. Where's the third? Think harder, :P That's where your sense of humour come in. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel updates
On 10/30/05, Tim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't need the less-than here. grep can work directly on the file. % grep sys-kernel /var/lib/portage/world doh, :) So long, tkr -- You know you're using the computer too much when: You try and use wget to pick up that pizza. -- snakattak3 -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: It can? Oh. I didn't know that. www.gmane.org Are you accusing me of having a sense of humor? LOL Maybe I'm the third kind. scratches head Here's the answer: cos I can't count, :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
Owned, lmao. On 10/30/05, Nicholas Hockey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOOK I'M TOP POSTING IN ALL CAPS, OMG YOU MIGHT DIE I don't know why ppl just want to bitch about top posting and HTML? Sure back when we were all on an old external hays 9600 it was irritating to download all that extra crap. But adding a few extra kb doesn't mean much now, get over yourself, and just FYI I rarely ever top post, and I never use HTML e-mail. I did this in hopes that you would have a coronary and die. You're just one of those people that do nothing all day, but find fault with everything. How 'bout for once you actually help somebody, instead of feeding your own superiority complex. Look at me I'm perfect, I type plaintext, I don't top post AND I know how to use a console to read my e-mail! I am so much better than you. Yield to my superiority!! You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. Now you want to know a waste of bandwidth, look you quoted this whole e-mail just to say stop wasting a few kb. Oh and by the way most console based e-mail clients can parse HTML, learn to configure your client instead of making everyone comply with your every whim. That's all I wanted to say… as for the Eterm problem, looks like imlib should be re-emerged, then Eterm should link fine. Have a nice day. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On 10/30/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Repartition hdb to add root, swap and boot partition of about 10GB for root (what tools can I use in order to keep the data intact on hdb whilst partitioning?) Some softwares like partition magic can do that, but they run under doze. I'd prefer making a backup, and a fresh repartition tbh. 2) Install Gentoo on the new partition with grub set up to boot from hda and hdb. This way I can run Suse whilst not actively installing Gentoo. You can boot from the suse, repartition the hdb, then chroot, and do your gentoo installation. 3) Once Gentoo is running the necessary software (the minimum is probably ssh, an FTP server, Subversion and apache with mod_python). So far so good. But what is necessary to remove the old drive? The plan is to move the 120GB drive into the hda position. Clearly I will have to edit grub.conf, and fstab, but are there any other things I will need to think about. Not that I can think of, except you will probably need to reinstall your grub. And if you've done a backup when doing step one, you shouldn't suffer any data loses. Just my .02USD. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On 10/30/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can boot from the suse, repartition the hdb, then chroot, and do your gentoo installation. Excellent - so really I won't even need to have server downtime while installing? I'll definitely look into this approach. You shouldn't have any downtime during the bootstrap/compilation (depends on which stage you choose). If things go well, the only downtime expected is when you need to physically remove the smaller harddrive, and rewire stuff. Take a look at this guide here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml, the Installing Gentoo from an existing Linux distribution section could be helpful. HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wiping unused space and/or secure erasing of files
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao schrieb: On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dd if=/dev/zero of=file rm file I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, don't we have to figure out a way to erase the journal entry too? No, the file won't be recovered. If it could be recovered, the journal would have to be at least the size of the real data, wouldn't it? Ah, I see. I was thinking that the journal is working in a similar fashion as the transaction logs in DBMS, seems I'm quite wrong. :) -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.
On 10/30/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the prompt advice guys. I'll be taking it slowly - I aim to get the main installation and changeover done over Christmas when I have a little more time, and the preparation done prior to that so that I have the partitions ready to go. I'll let you know how it all went (probably be asking more questions between now and then anyway!) Good luck with it, if you have more time before the migration, try play around with gentoo a bit more, just to familiarize yourself with the distribution. :) -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MySQL Upgrade
On 10/30/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded MySQL using the instructions on the Gentoo website. For the most part, everything went fine and now everything works, but I had to make a couple of adjustments. My question now is if there is a proper way to do what I did as a workaround. In September, when I wiped Fedora Core off my main system and installed Gentoo, I had a MySQL database that I used for one reason and one reason only. To get my database files from the FC4 system to Gentoo, I just copied them to a ZIP drive. When I installed MySQL, in /var/lib/mysql/ I created a directory with the name of my database and copied my database related files into that directory. Then I set up the users allowed to access to the database. This worked fine and is the workaround that I had to do today after upgrading MySQL. The instructions on the Gentoo website for upgrading gave a step by step to create a backup of my database. However, when I went to restore the database after the upgrade, the restore didn't work. I'm thinking that it was because of the way I got my database files into MySQL when I initially installed MySQL under Gentoo. Is there a way to rectify this so that the backup will work for future upgrades? What was the error message, if it was about the key length exceeding 1000, then you hit a known bug. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MySQL Upgrade
On 10/30/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: What was the error message, if it was about the key length exceeding 1000, then you hit a known bug. No, I didn't get any error messages on restoring the database that was created by the backup process that was included in the instructions. Also, the process for fixing the grant tables was fine. However, when I started mysql and tried to use the database, I was told that the database didn't exist and upon checking, I discovered that the only database that was there was test. So, in essence, the restore *did* work, but the backup just didn't pick up my database. So the mysqldump you did on the 4.0 didn't dump the databases other than test, hmmm. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] updates
On 10/30/05, John Dangler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy~ Thanks for the reply. I actually used genkernel to make the kernel. I used 'genkernel all'. That's why I'm a little confused as to why this didn't take effect. The previous kernel was also built with genkernel and didn't have any problems. Is your /usr/src/linux pointing to the new kernel source? -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MySQL Upgrade
On 10/31/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao wrote: So the mysqldump you did on the 4.0 didn't dump the databases other than test, hmmm. That's correct. And as stated in my original post, I think it might have something to do with the way I got the database into Gentoo - a mkdir named after the database and then copy the related database files into the directory. Try dump and restore them one by one, if you are able to use them, you should be able to dump them. Documentations on mysqldump can be found at: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/mysqldump.html HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dale schrieb: Me too. Badly translated joke. It should read: There are 10 kinds of people. Then it is funny. It takes a bit of time to get the joke, :) It has nothing to do with binary system. :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eterm not emerging
On 10/30/05, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cant seem to get eterm to emerge and I really need/like Eterm please dont
make me use xterm or aterm :(
Quote:
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link gcc -O3 -pipe -march=pentium-m -mcpu=i686
-fomit-frame-pointer -mtune=pentium-m -L/usr/lib -o Eterm -rpath
/usr/lib:/usr/lib/Eterm main.o libEterm.la -lImlib2 -ldl -L/usr/lib -lImlib2
-lfreetype -lz -ldl -lm -lSM -lICE
-lSM -lICE -lXmu -lutempter -last -lXext -lX11 -lutil -lm
gcc -O3 -pipe -march=pentium-m -mcpu=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer
-mtune=pentium-m -o .libs/Eterm main.o -L/usr/lib ./.libs/libEterm.so -lXmu
-lutempter /usr/lib/libast.so /usr/lib/libImlib2.so /usr/lib/libfreetype.so
-lz -ldl -lSM -lICE -lXext -lX11 -lutil
-lm -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib:/usr/lib/Eterm
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to
`imlib_render_pixmaps_for_whole_image'
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to `imlib_context_set_display'
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to
`imlib_render_pixmaps_for_whole_image_at_size'
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to `imlib_context_set_colormap'
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to `imlib_context_set_drawable'
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to `imlib_context_set_visual'
./.libs/libEterm.so: undefined reference to `imlib_free_pixmap_and_mask'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [Eterm] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/eterm-0.9.3-r4/work/Eterm-0.9.3/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/eterm-0.9.3-r4/work/Eterm-0.9.3'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
!!! ERROR: x11-terms/eterm-0.9.3-r4 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 54, Exitcode 2
!!! make failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status
message.
ziig ~ #
This is my make file:
Quote:
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example
#CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686
#CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
#CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
CFLAGS=-O3 -pipe -march=pentium-m -mcpu=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer
-mtune=pentium-m
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86
USE=X imlib nls apache2 cups imagemagick usb msn png jpeg gif tiff acc mpeg
opengl gtk2 qt samba svga dga dio truetype xmms -gnome -kde alsa apm cdr dvd
mmx sse xml xml2 -escreen -etwin -unicode
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles;
SYNC=rsync://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo-portage
Could you try not to send HTML messages to the list? A big portion of
us read our emails under command line, and people like me don't have a
brain that can parse the HTML and make sense of it before my finger
hits the delete button.
Also please try to avoid top posting.
-- Joe
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Re: [gentoo-user] unsibscribe
On 10/27/05, Tamer Higazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying very hard to resist the temptation of sending you the manual for the unsubscribe kit, :P Meanwhile, I strongly recommend you to read the documentations on how to unsubscribe from the list, and also try to spell the word unsubscribe properly. :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python - !!! Failed to complete python imports.
On 10/27/05, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I am in need of some serious help well my home server is: After emerging python (with distcc running and attempting to do a cross compilation) I get the following message when I try run any program associated with python: o_O / # env-update !!! Failed to complete python imports. There are internal modules for !!! python and failure here indicates that you have a problem with python !!! itself and thus portage is no able to continue processing. !!! You might consider starting python with verbose flags to see what has !!! gone wrong. Here is the information we got for this exception: No module named fcntl Yes that means i cant re-emerge python or anything :( -- When you say I wrote a program that crashed Windows, people just stare at you blankly and say Hey, I got those with the system, for free. - Linus Torvalds, 1995 try give the python-updater script a go? HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module
On 10/27/05, renna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi to all. i am finalizing a fresh new gentoo installation. i'm having some problems with xorg and my nvidia geforce mx 440 card. i followed the instructions on the dedicated part of documentation on gentoo.org, and even tried the following commands as proposed by gentoo-wiki.com but i allways get the same error #emerge nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx nvidia-settings #opengl-update nvidia #modprobe nvidia #X -configure #X -config /root/xorg.conf.new but i allways get this (from /var/log/Xorg.0.log) [...] (II) LoadModule: mouse (II) Loading /usr/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.4 (II) LoadModule: kbd (II) Loading /usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.o (II) Module kbd: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.4 (II) NVIDIA X Driver 1.0-6629 Wed Nov 3 13:14:07 PST 2004 (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all NVIDIA GPUs (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0 0xffe0 - 0x (0x20) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xec80 - 0xec8007ff (0x800) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xed00 - 0xedff (0x100) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xed80 - 0xed8000ff (0x100) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xf800 - 0xf7ff (0x0) MX[B]O [9] -1 0 0xef7e - 0xef7f (0x2) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0 0xef80 - 0xef87 (0x8) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xf000 - 0xf7ff (0x800) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0xee00 - 0xeeff (0x100) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0xb800 - 0xb87f (0x80) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0xd000 - 0xd0ff (0x100) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0xd400 - 0xd41f (0x20) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0xd800 - 0xd81f (0x20) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x9400 - 0x943f (0x40) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x9800 - 0x98ff (0x100) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0xa000 - 0xa01f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0xe800 - 0xe80f (0x10) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0xa400 - 0xa41f (0x20) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0xa800 - 0xa80f (0x10) IX[B] (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0xffe0 - 0x (0x20) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x0010 - 0x3fff (0x3ff0) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xec80 - 0xec8007ff (0x800) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xed00 - 0xedff (0x100) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xed80 - 0xed8000ff (0x100) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xf800 - 0xf7ff (0x0) MX[B]O [9] -1 0 0xef7e - 0xef7f (0x2) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0 0xef80 - 0xef87 (0x8) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xf000 - 0xf7ff (0x800) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0xee00 - 0xeeff (0x100) MX[B](B) [13] 0 0 0x000a - 0x000a (0x1) MS[B] [14] 0 0 0x000b - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [15] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000b (0x8000) MS[B] [16] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x - 0x00ff (0x100) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0xb800 - 0xb87f (0x80) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0xd000 - 0xd0ff (0x100) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0xd400 - 0xd41f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0xd800 - 0xd81f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x9400 - 0x943f (0x40) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x9800 - 0x98ff (0x100) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0xa000 - 0xa01f (0x20) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0xe800 - 0xe80f (0x10) IX[B] [26] -1 0 0xa400 - 0xa41f (0x20) IX[B] [27] -1 0 0xa800 - 0xa80f (0x10) IX[B] [28] 0 0 0x03b0 - 0x03bb (0xc) IS[B] [29] 0 0 0x03c0 - 0x03df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (==) NVIDIA(0): Depth 8, (==) framebuffer bpp 8 (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is PseudoColor (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module
On 10/27/05, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: renna bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:01 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module hi to all. i am finalizing a fresh new gentoo installation. i'm having some problems with xorg and my nvidia geforce mx 440 card. i followed the instructions on the dedicated part of documentation on gentoo.org, and even tried the following commands as proposed by gentoo-wiki.com but i allways get the same error #emerge nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx nvidia-settings #opengl-update nvidia #modprobe nvidia #X -configure #X -config /root/xorg.conf.new but i allways get this (from /var/log/Xorg.0.log) (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (==) NVIDIA(0): Depth 8, (==) framebuffer bpp 8 (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is PseudoColor (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (--) NVIDIA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xF000 (--) NVIDIA(0): MMIO registers at 0xEE00 (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** (II) UnloadModule: nvidia (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.X.Org for help. Please also check the log file at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for additional information. portage installed me diffferent versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel (1.0.6629-r6 and 1.0.6629-r4) should i install the same version? are there newer versions available, or are these known not to work? right now i'm using the nv driver, and i have everything i need (kde) working, though i'd like to set up my nvidia card to its full capabilities thanks I'm ran into the exact same problem on a newly installed dual Opteron system yesterday. Basically it's a broken nvidia ebuild. There was a thread on this forum about this exact issue a couple of weeks ago. The solution is to emerge the masked versions of the nvidia-kernel. To see what versions are available you can: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -sv nvidia Then umask the specific version of the packages you want to use: #echo '=media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.7676 ~x86' /etc/portage/package.keywords #echo '=media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.7676-r1 ~x86' /etc/portage/package.keywords Assuming your running x86 of course, otherwise replace ~x86 with the appropiate value for your arch. HTH, Bob Young Hmmm, I'm running nvidia-kernel 6629-r4 and nvidia-glx 6629-r6 on a amd64 system without any problems. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel updates
On 10/27/05, Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The portage system seems pretty effective in keeping the user level code up to date on a gentoo system - but now that I have had my system installed for 6-7 months it has occured to me that my kernel is no longer current, and I havn't found anything in the handbook suggesting how this should be approached. Is there a recommended procedure that someone can point me to? Updating the kernel? it's just like compiling a new one. # cd /usr/src # ln -sfn linux-new_version linux # cd linux # mount /boot # make menuconfig # make make modules_install # make install Then make sure you re-emerge any kernel modues, e.g. alsa-driver or your graphic card driver. Finally, edit your boot loader's config files accordingly and reboot your system. One last thing tho, if there isn't any kernel bug that bothers you, and there isn't any new feature you are after in the new version, you don't have to upgrade your kernel. HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] System refuses to boot after upgrade
On 10/27/05, Ognjen Bezanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I Just upgraded my PC (replaced new hard disk, dd'ed all the data from the old one, ran emerge -uav world + grub-install). The kernel boots but then INIT hangs at Configuring kernel parameters ). Anyone got any ideas on what the problem may be? Cheers. Try re-compiling the kernel? Maybe that'll help. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel updates
On 10/27/05, Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, but I am ok on configuring the kernels and then installing them in /boot. The thing which isn't clear to me is how I should get the 'linux-new_version' directory installed on my system without downloading a whole new install image and copying it across manually? Is there a kernel release tarball downloadable somewhere? Or is there some way to ask emerge to do this? emerge --update you_kernel_source_tree will grab the new version and unpack it in /usr/src. For example, I use gentoo-sources, so emerge --update gentoo-sources will grab whatever the new version is, apply all the necessary patches, and unpack it in /usr/src. HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module
On 10/27/05, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now that you mention it, I did have problems with a ~amd64 version of nvidia-kernel, couldn't remember the version number tho, :( And after that, I reverted to the stable version of nvidia-kernel, and had no problem afterwards. Strange... -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel updates
On 10/27/05, Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Thats what wasn't clear to me. I assume this is a special case in that an 'update world' won't install new kernel sources by default? emerge --update world should install the new kernel sources for you. Did you do a emerge --sync? If so, try emerge --deep --newuse --update world, that'll definitely get the new kernel. I assume that the separate kernel source trees means that a new kernel can be build in parallel to an older one, and the active kernel chosen at boot time. That's right, you can have as many compiled kernel images in your /boot as you wish, provided you have enough disk space. You can choose between them if you set up your boot loader correctly. Thanks, DigbyT P.S. is there an easy way to confirm which kernel source (gentoo/vanilla) was originally installed? # cat /var/lib/portage/world | grep sys-kernel The above command should give you the kernel(s) you've emerged. HTH. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module
On 10/27/05, Jose Maria Alvarez Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's kernel related. 2.6.13 doesn't create the nvidia devicess correctly with udev, which with 2.6.13 is default. You can try to put this in the local.start if you want to use this nvidia kernel versions: for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do node=/dev/nvidia$i rm -f $node mknod $node c 195 $i || echo mknod \$node\ chmod 0660 $node || echo chmod \$node\ chown :video $node || echo chown \$node\ done node=/dev/nvidiactl rm -f $node mknod $node c 195 255 || echo mknod \$node\ chmod 0666 $node || echo chmod \$node\ chown :video $node || echo chown \$node\ Hope it helps! I doubt it's kernel related, I'm on a amd64 with 2.6.13-r3 here. And nvidia-kernel 6626-r4 runs fine. -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module
On 10/27/05, Bob Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Qian Qiao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:20 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] failed to load nvidia kernel module I doubt it's kernel related, I'm on a amd64 with 2.6.13-r3 here. And nvidia-kernel 6626-r4 runs fine. Seems it is: Thread from another user who experienced the problem: http://www.usenetlinux.com/archive/topic.php/t-495527.html The bug on it posted in Gentoo bugzilla: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104369 Regards, Bob Young Indeed, the comments in the bug report from b.g.o could've explained it. I had RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes. And from the comments, a few ways to possibly fix the problem: a) set RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes, then run /sbin/NVmakedevices.sh once. or b) add code if [ ! -e /dev/nvidia0 ]; then /sbin/NVmakedevices.sh fi /code to your /etc/conf.d/local.start -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerging without Internet connection
On 10/24/05, Gentoo Voyager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, My home gentoo box dos't have a internet connection, but i need to install Sendmail on my PC( for testing perposer), any one know how to do it without internet cennection.. thanks.. Suranga Option 1. Find a gentoo box that actually connected to the net, then build a binary package for the target machine. Option 2. Read the sendmail ebuild, download the source files accordingly, transfer them onto the target machine, and build them. Both options are pretty simple, if you understand how the portage system work, and where there files are stored. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python - !!! Failed to complete python imports.
On 10/27/05, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already tried that. I get the same error. A stage1 tarball will contain a working copy of python and portage, probably a fairly dated version tho. Backup your files carefully, and give that a try? -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel updates
On 10/28/05, Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:45:49AM +0200, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:43:07 +0100 Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The portage system seems pretty effective in keeping the user level code up to date on a gentoo system - but now that I have had my system installed for 6-7 months it has occured to me that my kernel is no longer current, and I havn't found anything in the handbook suggesting how this should be approached. Is there a recommended procedure that someone can point me to? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-upgrade.xml Thanks. Not sure why I didn't stumble across then when searching the documentation on the web site, but once I eventually got emerge to install the new kernel, the messages left by emerge led did lead me to that file: * If you are upgrading from a previous kernel, you may be interested * in the following documents: * - General upgrade guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-upgrade.xml * - 2.4 to 2.6 migration guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/migration-to-2.6.xml but of course I already had to have an idea on how to upgrade before seeing that :-/. Thanks to all that offered advice... Also, my initial emerge --update gentoo-sources came back doing nothing - it just indicated that there were no packages to update. I tried again with just emerge gentoo-sources and that went ahead and installed a new kernel source tree in /usr/src. So now I just need to reproduce my kernel config and then I am ready to try going from linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6 to linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r10. I gather one cannot just copy the .config file for this much of a jump, so I guess the best thing to do is a simultaneous 'make menuconfig' in both old and new kernel using two different windows so that I can be sure to copy each of the current settings across. make oldconfig will copy all the old configurations, and prompt you for the configurations that don't exist in the old config file. -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS setting for Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHZ stepping 08
On 10/23/05, Bill Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01:31 Sun 23 Oct , Richard Watson wrote: I've just got a new laptop I'm installing Gentoo on and was wondering if anyone could advise on the CFLAG setting I'm using. The CPU is a Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHZ stepping 08. Currently I've set CFLAGS=-02 -mcpu=pentium -pipe -- Thanks, Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I have: CFLAGS=-02 -march=pentium4 Seems to work nicely on my M processor. Are you sure -02 works? :P -- Joe -- There are 3 kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't. Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X woes after baselayout update.
On 24/06/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qian Qiao schreef: On 24/06/05, Qian Qiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, if I run udevstart before trying to start X, X fires up correctly. More info, alsa woes too. alsasound cannot start correctly at boot time, have to run a udevstart to start it too. Am I missing something, or doesn't this indicate that the issue is that udev is not starting automatically, at the proper time? As u suggested, yes, my guess is udev isn't starting at the correct time. So isn't the question to ask, what is there in baselayout that normally determines when udev starts (or whether it starts), and has that changed? The Changelog also implies that one really, *really* needs to do an etc-update (or dispatch-conf, or cfg-update, as you prefer) after updating baselayout-- is it possible that some config file didn't get updated, and baselayout is a bit broken as a result? I'd be too dumb if I try to post question to the list w/o doing what I should do, and attempt to solve the problem myself. So the answer is: yes, I've done the etc-update. -- Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
