Re: 1.2 and beyond
Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are the plans for maintenance of 1.2? At some point (long before 1.4), we're going to do a gimp-print 4.2; it may even happen in 3 months or so if the quality (particularly color) improvements outrun the rest of the development projects. Will there be any kind of release train such that there will be a convenient way of getting something into later versions of 1.2, or will everything be happening in 1.3? Hi Robert, Gimp-Print will of course go into the stable branch. It's not yet clear when we will fork off 1.3 (because there real plan is to start 2.0 development from a clean tree...), but as Gimp-Print is one of our most important plug-ins, it will always be updated in both the stable and unstable branches. bye, --Mitch
initial_sub_region error
Hi, not sure I should post this to the list, but I figured it wasn't worth a whole bugreport Using the image http://home.student.utwente.nl/p.e.c.melis/mannetje.xcf I get an "initial_sub_region:: error :: src-w * (src-bytes + 1) 512" from the gimp, when I click the navigation icon of the window it's loaded in. Quitting the gimp and reloading does not solve the problem. I did not do anything "special" to get this image, just some layer manips and filters. Gimp version is cvs of 3-12 (post 1.1.29) Bye! Paul -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1.2 and beyond
Hi, Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are the plans for maintenance of 1.2? At some point (long before 1.4), we're going to do a gimp-print 4.2; it may even happen in 3 months or so if the quality (particularly color) improvements outrun the rest of the development projects. Will there be any kind of release train such that there will be a convenient way of getting something into later versions of 1.2, or will everything be happening in 1.3? As Mitch already pointed out, bug fixes will go into the 1.2.x branch. We think about having a 1.3 branch which should lead into a stable 1.4 release. The goal of this branch will be to cleanup a lot of the gimp's internal structures to make it easier to port that stuff to gimp-2.0. The gimp-2.0 development should begin at the same time but it might take some time before a useable application with comparable features evolves from this effort. As we do not intend to keep the plug-in API backwards compatible in 2.0, some parts of gimp-print will have to be rewritten at some point. I'm actually preparing sort of a RFC for "The future of GIMP" which I want to present to this list pretty soon. Salut, Sven
Re: 1.2 and beyond
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10 Dec 2000 18:50:36 +0100 As Mitch already pointed out, bug fixes will go into the 1.2.x branch. The issue's not bug fixes, but feature enhancements -- new printers, quality improvements, and such, as we're already working on our 4.1. Should we plan on just doing our own releases, as we've done thus far, or will there be some kind of update release train that we can sync up to prior to 1.4? I don't expect an answer right now; this is an important issue of release strategy that shouldn't be answered quickly, but it's something that needs to be considered given how large a package the Gimp is. -- Robert Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton
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How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT atroll)
* When I press Alt-F and then "x" on my keyboard, The Gimp doesn't exit. * I see completely fucking useless tearoff menus on top of every menu. They get in the way, sometimes tear off by mistake, and in general seem to be designed to annoy the fuck out of the user * I cannot use 90% of GIMP's features from keyboard. Hardly any of the menus have keyboard shortcuts. * None of the dialogs have keyboard shortcuts. And I don't mean a shortcut to bring up the dialog. I mean keyboard hotkeys to navigate inside the dialog from control to control. * Tab order on most dialogs is idiotic. * 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. I want to press enter in the "New Image" dialog and expect it to go away. Don't blame GTK, that you can't activate a default button when you are inside of a entry. Fix it. Gnome people fixed it, not that it was the best way to do it. * I can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" key. Adding code to do this would be so simple I am curious why nobody bothered to do that. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button. * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface. What ever happened to uniform interface? * Configurable menu shortcut keys? Who the fuck uses that? I would rather see consistent menu hotkeys so I can do Alt-F-X to exit the application rather than be able to customize what key I press to save the image. Another useless feature, in my opinion. * Did I mention that tearoff menus either need to go away, or be configurable by the user, with ability to completely disable them? I understand that whoever designed tearoff menus used to sleep dreaming about motif and CDE, but still, not everyone is nuts like that. I have been a long time gimp user since like version 0.9-something, and contributed some code even back in 1998, but this is getting out of hand. I was hoping close to the 1.2 release someone would at least bother looking into the human interface features of this program. I appreciate how cool the program is as far as features go, but if it's unusable by your average joe user, nobody will like it. All of the things I mentioned above are very easily fixable, even if that means adding extra code to handle it. Menu hotkeys are absolutely necessary, and for god's sake dont fucking use "Quit", its E-X-I-T, not QUIT. Look at any professional application. Also, may I suggest reading "Designing User Interfaces" on your favorite MSDN mirror. While 100% of you are going to balk at the fact its about Windows, it's very interesting reading nevertheless. Of course, implementing most of the things mentioned there would require rewriting GTK and it's idiocy regarding keyboard control, but at least some things could be done. tc. this is NOT a troll, but a increasing concern I have about all GUI applications created for Linux. -- $B!&!E!D(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,!D!E!&(B timecop at japan.co.jp | $B#O#ADL?.%5%S!<%93t<02q
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
Hi, Ask politely next time. Go away! bye, --Mitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * When I press Alt-F and then "x" on my keyboard, The Gimp doesn't exit. * I see completely fucking useless tearoff menus on top of every menu. They get in the way, sometimes tear off by mistake, and in general seem to be designed to annoy the fuck out of the user * I cannot use 90% of GIMP's features from keyboard. Hardly any of the menus have keyboard shortcuts. * None of the dialogs have keyboard shortcuts. And I don't mean a shortcut to bring up the dialog. I mean keyboard hotkeys to navigate inside the dialog from control to control. * Tab order on most dialogs is idiotic. * 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. I want to press enter in the "New Image" dialog and expect it to go away. Don't blame GTK, that you can't activate a default button when you are inside of a entry. Fix it. Gnome people fixed it, not that it was the best way to do it. * I can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" key. Adding code to do this would be so simple I am curious why nobody bothered to do that. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button. * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface. What ever happened to uniform interface? * Configurable menu shortcut keys? Who the fuck uses that? I would rather see consistent menu hotkeys so I can do Alt-F-X to exit the application rather than be able to customize what key I press to save the image. Another useless feature, in my opinion. * Did I mention that tearoff menus either need to go away, or be configurable by the user, with ability to completely disable them? I understand that whoever designed tearoff menus used to sleep dreaming about motif and CDE, but still, not everyone is nuts like that. I have been a long time gimp user since like version 0.9-something, and contributed some code even back in 1998, but this is getting out of hand. I was hoping close to the 1.2 release someone would at least bother looking into the human interface features of this program. I appreciate how cool the program is as far as features go, but if it's unusable by your average joe user, nobody will like it. All of the things I mentioned above are very easily fixable, even if that means adding extra code to handle it. Menu hotkeys are absolutely necessary, and for god's sake dont fucking use "Quit", its E-X-I-T, not QUIT. Look at any professional application. Also, may I suggest reading "Designing User Interfaces" on your favorite MSDN mirror. While 100% of you are going to balk at the fact its about Windows, it's very interesting reading nevertheless. Of course, implementing most of the things mentioned there would require rewriting GTK and it's idiocy regarding keyboard control, but at least some things could be done. tc. this is NOT a troll, but a increasing concern I have about all GUI applications created for Linux. -- $B!!E!D(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,!D!E!(B timecop at japan.co.jp | $B#O#ADL?.%5%S!%93t02qR(B | NTT DoCoMo I thought everything that Linus Torvalds is involved with was divine perfection? Must be a problem with NEC and Sony -about Crusoe recall $B!!E!D(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,!D!E!(B
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
Hi, Zachary Beane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:31:13AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface. What ever happened to uniform interface? I'm sure assistance in redesign would be greatly appreciated. Mocking up sane designs would be extremely helpful. I'm pretty sure that we can live better without timecops assistance. A lot of people that work a lot with The GIMP have contributed their ideas of a nice and usable GUI and should continue to do so. We all know that we can still improve a lot, but we can certainly do better without people like him. Salut, Sven
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
I guess someone is completely unsatisfied with his sexual life, and though written in a profoundly stupid way, I think Mr. timecop has mentionend some facts that I have also considered worth to be changed: - Tab order on most dialogs is not perfect - 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. - One can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" key. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button. I personally think bothering 'bout things like EXIT or QUIT is idiotic itself. Costumizable shortcuts are a great thing and shouldn't be abolished. Maybe Mr. TIMECOP would have been taken more seriously if he had written his complaints not in a way that obviously applies most to his behaviour ... idiotic! -- ZÄR HORST Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
new plugin
I am currently writing a new plugin, which I hope if there is intrest in it could be included in to standard gimp distributions. I understand that the gimp is frozen at the moment, but if anyone could tell me the process required for a new plugin to be considered for the gimp. Should I have users before I ask you guys to look at it. Also the plugin uses a fairly uncommon library allegro. I am looking at making the plugin allegro independant, however the resulting plugin may end up being a quite large plugin when complete. The plugin I am writing is an aid for creating seamless tile maps. Basicly a tile editor. It uses allegro primarily because I have used a file format derived from the allegro dat format. Any help on these points would be appreciated Also if you rather i did not post to this list, please direct me elsewhere. Thankyou David Rohde
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this
- Tab order on most dialogs is not perfect - 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. - One can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" key. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button. Unable to press the "esc" key to cancel the menu tree is definitely a nuisance. Each time I used the right mouse click to do something, I find I need to end it with a couple more mouse clicks instead of the simple "esc" - one or more mouse clicks to make sure the current mouse pointer is safe, i.e. it is not the left over fill bucket pointer that I have just used a few seconds ago; if it is I need a few more mouse clicks to find the main toolbox, then click on some safe pointer such as box selection. - finally when the pointer is safe from any accidents, then either click on the image itself or the border, or the title bar to get rid of the unwanted menu. Is this the way people are using the menu or is there a better way out that I missed ? On the positive side, gimp's feature is getting better and better. I like to thank whoever puts in the Alpha-Logo ,cause now I can get rid of my private hacked script which does essentially the same thing !! Cheers ! lasm = Master's New Millennium Lecture Tour in Asia 2000 !!! see http://www.godsimmediatecontact.com visit these great web sites at http://www.GodsImmediateContact.com/INTRODUCTION_video.html http://members.xoom.com/meditations/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: new plugin
Hi David, Good idea! As for the use of Allegro, isn't Allegro under the GPL? If so, (and I assume your plugin will be GPLled as well) you could just rip out the loading and saving code and paste it into your plugin. That way things are Allegro-independent and if you don't copy the parts of Allegro you don't need it shouldn't be that big (at least not due to the inclusion of parts of Allegro, I can see that this is quite a big project). Lourens david rohde wrote: I am currently writing a new plugin, which I hope if there is intrest in it could be included in to standard gimp distributions. I understand that the gimp is frozen at the moment, but if anyone could tell me the process required for a new plugin to be considered for the gimp. Should I have users before I ask you guys to look at it. Also the plugin uses a fairly uncommon library allegro. I am looking at making the plugin allegro independant, however the resulting plugin may end up being a quite large plugin when complete. The plugin I am writing is an aid for creating seamless tile maps. Basicly a tile editor. It uses allegro primarily because I have used a file format derived from the allegro dat format. Any help on these points would be appreciated Also if you rather i did not post to this list, please direct me elsewhere. Thankyou David Rohde
