Re: [Gimp-user] Color Schemes
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM, DJ delphit...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone do anything special to create palettes? I like Agave a lot. The (Adobe) kuler website is nice as well - I wrote (an admittedly hackish) plugin to import kuler palettes: http://registry.gimp.org/node/10325 It could use more testing - if you feel like it, please try the plugin and let me know if it works for you. It requires python and gimp-python. Easy in linux, but takes a few steps in windows. Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 2.6.X manual
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 11:41:55AM -0400, John Culleton wrote: There is an online version of the 2.6 manual in html form. Is there a way to download the whole shebang in one step or must I download the individual files one at a time? You can download the latest snapshot (italian english) from here: http://gimp.linux.it/www/meta/gimp-manual.tar.gz this version _HAS_ images and you can delete the italian version once installed. bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
Greetings; Latest gimp-2.6 from fedora installed, and once again I am attempting to crop an image and cannot. Why is it so difficult to select a rectangular area of the image, like the whole top 1/3 or the whole bottom 1/3, and just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print. But while I can make the 'canvas' white, I cannot actually cut that part of the canvas and toss it in /dev/null, which should be indicated by the checkerboard pattern replacing it. Really guys, I fail to see why such an operation requires I post to the list each and every time I want to do it. So how DO it go about getting rid of, totally and forever if I haven't saved a backup copy, those parts of an image that should never ever see the light of day, or worse yet, waste bandwidth when it has to be uploaded at a hair over 50k/sec on my adsl circuit. Just turning it white doesn't cut it, I want it gone. This, most simple of a photo manipulation has been hidden behind portable menu mumbo jumbo for a decade now, is it not possible to fix it for almost main menu access, just by drawing a box around what you want, invert the selection and anything outside the box is gone forever, or at least till its undone. Thanks guys, but please fix this most simple of photo editing function there is. You can see my problem at http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/emc/probe-asmbled-1.jpg Just as soon as I reboot to a kernel with working networking that is. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Quit worrying about your health. It'll go away. -- Robert Orben ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
On Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:23 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; Latest gimp-2.6 from fedora installed, and once again I am attempting to crop an image and cannot. Why is it so difficult to select a rectangular area of the image, like the whole top 1/3 or the whole bottom 1/3, and just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print. But while I can make the 'canvas' white, I cannot actually cut that part of the canvas and toss it in /dev/null, which should be indicated by the checkerboard pattern replacing it. Really guys, I fail to see why such an operation requires I post to the list each and every time I want to do it. So how DO it go about getting rid of, totally and forever if I haven't saved a backup copy, those parts of an image that should never ever see the light of day, or worse yet, waste bandwidth when it has to be uploaded at a hair over 50k/sec on my adsl circuit. Just turning it white doesn't cut it, I want it gone. This, most simple of a photo manipulation has been hidden behind portable menu mumbo jumbo for a decade now, is it not possible to fix it for almost main menu access, just by drawing a box around what you want, invert the selection and anything outside the box is gone forever, or at least till its undone. Thanks guys, but please fix this most simple of photo editing function there is. You can see my problem at http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/emc/probe-asmbled-1.jpg I have trouble working out what your problem is. a. Select crop tool b. select area you want c. press enter d. save as Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; This, most simple of a photo manipulation has been hidden behind portable menu mumbo jumbo for a decade now, is it not possible to fix it for almost main menu access, just by drawing a box around what you want, invert the selection and anything outside the box is gone forever, I do this all the time, I just make my selection with rectangle select and then use Image-Crop to selection. It's possible to do it even quicker with the dedicated Crop tool. or at least till its undone. Thanks guys, but please fix this most simple of photo editing function there is. You can see my problem at http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/emc/probe-asmbled-1.jpg I can see your problem is that you are behaving in an arrogant and demanding fashion. This also leads me to doubt whether you have done a reasonable amount of research on this problem, especially as the first hit for Google search GIMP crop image to selection includes instructions for cropping using the Crop tool. In case it wasn't clear to you.. 'Erasing part of the image' does not in any way equate to 'reducing the area of the image'. David ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
Owen (rc...@pcug.org.au) wrote (in part) (on 2009-05-03 at 23:13): On Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:23 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; Latest gimp-2.6 from fedora installed, and once again I am attempting to crop an image and cannot. Why is it so difficult to select a rectangular area of the image, like the whole top 1/3 or the whole bottom 1/3, and just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print. But while I can make the 'canvas' white, I cannot actually cut that part of the canvas and toss it in /dev/null, which should be indicated by the checkerboard pattern replacing it. To get checkerboard pattern replacing make sure the background layer has alpha channel (right-click on layers menu and select [Add alpha channel]. If a layer has NO alpha channel its name will appear in bold in the layer menu and cutting or cropping will show the background color. To just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print ... maybe you want Image-[Fit image to canvas]? -- Regards ... Alec (bura...@gmail WinLiveMess - alec.m.burg...@skype) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Gowers wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; This, most simple of a photo manipulation has been hidden behind portable menu mumbo jumbo for a decade now, is it not possible to fix it for almost main menu access, just by drawing a box around what you want, invert the selection and anything outside the box is gone forever, I do this all the time, I just make my selection with rectangle select and then use Image-Crop to selection. And I believe I tried that at one point in my 10,000 monkeys experimentation, and was left with a blank view, hello undo... It's possible to do it even quicker with the dedicated Crop tool. or at least till its undone. Thanks guys, but please fix this most simple of photo editing function there is. You can see my problem at http://gene.homelinux.net:85/gene/emc/probe-asmbled-1.jpg which is now fixed, thanks to a previous poster. I can see your problem is that you are behaving in an arrogant and demanding fashion. Because it has been a constant source of confusion to this old fart (I'm now 74) since my first contact with gimp in about 1999 or so. Every other selection that I tried, wiped the part I wanted to save, often via the leaky lasso theory. One gets tired of reaching for the edit undo function. FWIW, if I was in the darkroom making my own prints, a process that even in color, I am familiar enough with that I made my own color paper developer. Far more stable colorwise than what I could buy at the photo stores 30 years ago when I was doing it several times a week. I would do this crop by running my Bessler 23c/w/dichro head on up the rack and adjusting the easel to get exactly what I want, so automatically I wasn't even concious of doing it. That is why I find it so difficult to make gimp do it. This also leads me to doubt whether you have done a reasonable amount of research on this problem, especially as the first hit for Google search GIMP crop image to selection includes instructions for cropping using the Crop tool. I didn't. Why should google have better instructions on running the gimp than its own help has? In case it wasn't clear to you.. 'Erasing part of the image' does not in any way equate to 'reducing the area of the image'. David Ok, what does the autocrop and zealous crop function actually do then? They do not obviously do this. The erase functions should be labeled as erase, not crop, or some $5 equ prefixed *crop. To this old darkroom techy, 'crop' means what you don't want never makes it to the print paper in the first place even if you have to block it with the easels blades and trim the paper to some odd size once its dry again. I have even saved it and reloaded it to a new window, and of course all this blank space is still part of the image it loads. So please don't call an 'erase' function a 'crop', its scattered all through the menus miss-labeled as a crop. It is not. It just adds fuel to the fire of frustration. Now, please take this as constructive, I don't intend to get into a big argument about nomenclature. But to me, the word crop is often miss-used in the menu's. Thanks David. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The future is a myth created by insurance salesmen and high school counselors. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
On Sunday 03 May 2009, Alec Burgess wrote: Owen (rc...@pcug.org.au) wrote (in part) (on 2009-05-03 at 23:13): On Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:23 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; Latest gimp-2.6 from fedora installed, and once again I am attempting to crop an image and cannot. Why is it so difficult to select a rectangular area of the image, like the whole top 1/3 or the whole bottom 1/3, and just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print. But while I can make the 'canvas' white, I cannot actually cut that part of the canvas and toss it in /dev/null, which should be indicated by the checkerboard pattern replacing it. To get checkerboard pattern replacing make sure the background layer has alpha channel (right-click on layers menu and select [Add alpha channel]. If a layer has NO alpha channel its name will appear in bold in the layer menu and cutting or cropping will show the background color. To just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print ... maybe you want Image-[Fit image to canvas]? ISTR I tried that in some previous incarnation of gimp, but because it was just erased, the 'canvas' was still wasted. I did try to fiddle with canvas size this time, but that adjusted the whole image without changing the ratio of image vs canvas, so that was just another edit-undo to me. :) Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Let me do my TRIBUTE to FISHNET STOCKINGS ... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 03 May 2009, Alec Burgess wrote: Owen (rc...@pcug.org.au) wrote (in part) (on 2009-05-03 at 23:13): On Sun, 03 May 2009 22:44:23 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; Latest gimp-2.6 from fedora installed, and once again I am attempting to crop an image and cannot. Why is it so difficult to select a rectangular area of the image, like the whole top 1/3 or the whole bottom 1/3, and just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print. But while I can make the 'canvas' white, I cannot actually cut that part of the canvas and toss it in /dev/null, which should be indicated by the checkerboard pattern replacing it. To get checkerboard pattern replacing make sure the background layer has alpha channel (right-click on layers menu and select [Add alpha channel]. If a layer has NO alpha channel its name will appear in bold in the layer menu and cutting or cropping will show the background color. To just plain crop it just as if I'd taken the paper cutters to the print ... maybe you want Image-[Fit image to canvas]? ISTR I tried that in some previous incarnation of gimp, but because it was just erased, the 'canvas' was still wasted. I did try to fiddle with canvas size this time, but that adjusted the whole image without changing the ratio of image vs canvas, so that was just another edit-undo to me. :) When you cannot find a clear answer to some question in the manual, most probably it is because your question is ill formulated. This is why searching Google may be of some help: maybe some other people stated the same question in similar terms, and got a meaningful answer. Thus, before accusing others of not doing what you would like, please ask yourself what exactly you want. You use the term crop, which you explain with reference to scissors on a printed paper. Then, why do you refer to transparency and the checkerboard pattern used for making it visible in GIMP? You want to crop your image? Then do use the crop tool, found in the Toolbox and represented by a cutter icon! Or better, use Shift+C. Then delimit the rectangle you want to keep in your image, and press Enter. That's done: the other parts of the image are discarded, and the canvas is now the exact size of the remaining part. Do not use Autocrop or Zealous crop, which are automatic tools made for removing a frame or a one-color area in an image. Erasing some part of your image is something completely different, and is not similar to the use of scissors. Depending on the presence of an alpha channel in your image, erasing some part replaces it with the background color (which may happen to be white), or with transparency (which is made visible with a checkerboard pattern). By the way, if you are accustomed to undo a lot of things, learn to use Ctrl+Z, which is must more handy than an entry in a menu, or the undo history dialog. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help again, same old story.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Gowers wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings; This, most simple of a photo manipulation has been hidden behind portable menu mumbo jumbo for a decade now, is it not possible to fix it for almost main menu access, just by drawing a box around what you want, invert the selection and anything outside the box is gone forever, I do this all the time, I just make my selection with rectangle select and then use Image-Crop to selection. And I believe I tried that at one point in my 10,000 monkeys experimentation, and was left with a blank view, hello undo... That means that you selected a very small area, I guess. OTOH It's possible that you are actually encountering a bug. However, given the amount of people, with no special knowledge of GIMP, who manage to perform this task regularly with little trouble, I believe that the problem is with your understanding and/or attitude. my Bessler 23c/w/dichro head on up the rack and adjusting the easel to get exactly what I want, so automatically I wasn't even concious of doing it. That is why I find it so difficult to make gimp do it. AFAIK the Crop tool works virtually identical to the kind of apparatus you were using. Perhaps you enabled some option that makes it behave in some way other than you expect (the 'current layer only' option (I think -- I don't run GIMP in English) might qualify) This also leads me to doubt whether you have done a reasonable amount of research on this problem, especially as the first hit for Google search GIMP crop image to selection includes instructions for cropping using the Crop tool. I didn't. Why should google have better instructions on running the gimp than its own help has? Because as olivier says, you do not know what questions to ask. GIMP's help is perfectly adequate, but clearly you were not able to help yourself using it. Otherwise you would have found and used this: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-crop.html In case it wasn't clear to you.. 'Erasing part of the image' does not in any way equate to 'reducing the area of the image'. David Ok, what does the autocrop and zealous crop function actually do then? They do not obviously do this. The erase functions should be labeled as erase, not crop, or some $5 equ prefixed *crop. To this old darkroom techy, 'crop' means The erase functions are named erase. The crop functions are named crop. Autocrop crops the image automatically by detecting blank space surrounding the image content. Zealous crop does the same sort of thing, except for each individual object in the image (one of the effects of this is that the spaces between images are reduced. This is often handy for webpage authors.) 'Image-Crop to selection' crops all layers (and the image canvas) to the selected area. 'Layer-Crop to selection' crops just the active layer to the selected area. Crop tool reduces the area of the image (or just the active layer, depending on what option is selected) to the size you choose. The eraser (and Edit-Cut, Edit-Clear etc) removes content -- it doesn't change the size of the 'paper', just like the real world. So please don't call an 'erase' function a 'crop', its scattered all through the menus miss-labeled as a crop. It is not. It just adds fuel to the fire of frustration. In what way does the above not match the meaning of crop? David ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
