[Gimp-user] Plugins in 2.8
Tried to install elsamuko-national-geographic-batch.scm Open in GIMP wasn?t the right way. Does anyone know how or do I need to wait until the plugin is updated? -- Peter S. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Plugins in 2.8
Tried to install elsamuko-national-geographic-batch.scm Open in GIMP wasn?t the right way. Does anyone know how or do I need to wait until the plugin is updated? Must add I?m using MacOS 10.6.2 -- Peter S. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Plugins in 2.8
You can't have Gimp 2.8 is not yet available, neither will in short term And that script does need to be updated to be used on the last stable version of gimp Tried to install elsamuko-national-geographic-batch.scm Open in GIMP wasn?t the right way. Does anyone know how or do I need to wait until the plugin is updated? Must add I?m using MacOS 10.6.2 -- photocomix (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Plugins in 2.8
And that script does need to be updated to be used on the last stable version of gimp Sorry for the typo Was supposed to be the script do NOT need to be updated to be used on the last stable version, i just used with gimp 2.6.8 -- photocomix (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop
About the 8 , 16 bit issue maybe all what you need may be just first correct your image with something as RawTherapee (now Gpl ),and in case of need of further editing , send the result to gimp (You may set in Rawtherapee Gimp as associate image editor) Let say that if you need to works with layers, layermask, selections, brush tools,etc gimp (or photoshop) are the tools for the trade BUT If you have to do adjust exposures, color temperature, gamma, contrast, and even denoise or demosaizice high res RAW images from your digital camera then RawTherapee not only suffice, it is even more adapt If you use film i believe 16 or 8 bit will not make any visible difference -- photocomix (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Pixelation of text
On 01/12/2010 02:33 PM, Larry H. wrote: When I use the text tool, the output is noticeably pixelated. How can I prevent that? I am learning to use GIMP 2.6 on a Windows XP professional machine, a Dell. It'd be helpful if you could post the file online somewhere and send us a link, so we can see it. But as a guess: have you checked the Antialiasing checkbox, in the Text toolbox/palette? And, is your zoom level (on the image's View menu) set to ~100%? If you're zoomed way in it may look pixelated, even though at the actual size (100%) it really is smooth. Also, if the image mode (on the image's Image menu) is set to something other than RGB, changing it to RGB may help. If none of that helps, post the file online, and/or give us some more details. -- Thanks for your quick response! I checked on the things you mentioned: 1) Antialiasing is checked. What is Force auto-hinter? 2) Zoom level is set to 100% And the pixilation shows up in prints as well. I export to JPEG and print, because when I try to print from GIMP it just gives me a tiny thumbnail. 3) The image mode is set to RGB. 4) Do you have a suggestion what URL I could post this online. I'll do that very happily to get your feedback on the file. Thanks. Larry H. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:51:02PM +, Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote: Hello! [...] * Photoshop: Must be used for 'serious' work. Yeah...it's just like to say that you have to use Windows for serious work... ;-) * GIMP: May be used for 'serious' work if that means showing a photo on a web page. Otherwise forget it because: ** Is has no color management (I don't know what this is); totally wrong ** Just 8 bit/channel; yes, just like photoshop some years ago...wait a moment...this means that serious photo work started just some 5-10 years ago PS: jpeg photos are 8 bit only so...if you do serious work with jpeg photos GIMP is just good enough. If you use an (not so) expensive digital camera with raw format you still can use it full capability using some 16 bit converters tools like ufraw, rawstudio, rawtherapee and you can even do some hdr photo with tools like qtpfsgui... ** No CMYK. not completly true, see separate+ plug-in and read this: http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/06/gimp-squaring-cmyk-circle.html Even though answers on this list may be biased, I have to ear them. So, are this statements true? Now you may judge by yourself... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop
On 1/14/10, Marco Ciampa wrote: ** Just 8 bit/channel; yes, just like photoshop some years ago...wait a moment...this means that serious photo work started just some 5-10 years ago PS: jpeg photos are 8 bit only This is totally unrelated. Open (almost) any photo in GIMP, edit it with levels or curves and look at the resulted hair comb in histogram. Alexandre ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I have Display rendering intent set to Relative colorimetric. Yet, everytime I open an image, Gimp never asks me what to do about the color profile. It always assumes sRGB, even if the embedded color profile is Adobe RGB or ProPhoto or whatever else. I always have to manually assign the right color profile after the file has been opened. Further, when I go to assign a color profile, I have to know in advance what the profile of that image was. Gimp doesn't tell me. It lets me change to whatever profile I want, but it won't let me know which one is embedded in the image. Sometimes, the color profile is not listed in the EXIF data at all, which makes it harder to guess. For example, when my camera is set to Adobe RGB, it leaves the EXIF Color space field set to Unassigned. Is this normal Gimp behavior? It's making color management a real nightmare and giving me all kinds of headaches. I sometimes receive images in many different color spaces and I don't always know which ones. Some people love working in ProPhoto because it makes them feel all 1337 and superior. Others send me stuff in Adobe RGB because that's what their printing company requires. I try to stick to sRGB whenever possible, but it's not always ideal. I hope someone can help me with this issue. I have Gimp 2.6.8 on openSUSE 11.2 x86_64. It's a backport from the Gnome OBS repository. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 17:46 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I'm no expert about this so my wild-ass guess is that it doesn't ask because there is nothing to do. Consider that the working profile is what a file *HAS* to be converted to or else you can't open it. If the file has an Adobe RGB profile but there is no such working profile the file couldn't be edited unless it was automatically converted, right? So the conversion would be to your Monitor profile. If you had a monitor profile different than the working profile then the Adobe RGB would have to converted to the monitor profile first and then to the working profile to be edited. Since the monitor profile and working profile are the same then there is nothing to ask - you simply get an automatic conversion to sRGB. But again, that's just a wild guess. I've never dug into that part of the code to know what's really going on. Hopefully Sven or one of the developers will correct me here. -- Michael J. HammelPrincipal Software Engineer mjham...@graphics-muse.org http://graphics-muse.org -- Stupidity: Quitters never win. Winners never quit. But those who never win and never quit are idiots. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I have Display rendering intent set to Relative colorimetric. Yet, everytime I open an image, Gimp never asks me what to do about the color profile. It always assumes sRGB, even if the embedded color profile is Adobe RGB or ProPhoto or whatever else. I always have to manually assign the right color profile after the file has been opened. Further, when I go to assign a color profile, I have to know in advance what the profile of that image was. Gimp doesn't tell me. It lets me change to whatever profile I want, but it won't let me know which one is embedded in the image. Also.. does that mean that you go to the 'Color profile' section of Image Properties and it says nothing / is blank? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to the picture, then save it, and re-open it, THEN it asks me what to do with the color profile, just like I expected it to. Apparently the original file has the profile embedded in some different manner. However, [big-brand commercial application] has no trouble determining what the color space should be, even with the original files. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:23 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: Also.. does that mean that you go to the 'Color profile' section of Image Properties and it says nothing / is blank? Nope, it says it's sRGB. Regardless of what it SHOULD be, it always says sRGB (until I assign a different color space manually). This is wrong. The files I'm working with right now are from my Pentax K-7 DSLR. The JPG and TIF files it produces apparently have the color profile embedded in a weird way, thereby keeping Gimp from seeing it. Now I don't know how weird it is, since every commercial application I've used has had no problems with it so far. It's only Gimp and Digikam that are giving me trouble. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 18:20 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: But the problem is that it doesn't convert when I open the file. It just assumes the picture is in sRGB and interprets the color space that way. Have you ever seen the colors of a file in Adobe RGB that's incorrectly interpreted as sRGB? They're flat and dull, bland, lifeless. I lose a bunch of contrast and saturation. Possibly, but then you don't provide a display color profile so maybe it's your display that's washed out, not the image. What may happen is that the Adobe RGB-sRGB happens just fine but what you *SEE* is the sRGB, not what the image should be when mapped to the color profile of the monitor. Again, I'm mostly talking out my be-hind here. I've done some articles on the color management stuff so I've played with it and I have both monitor and print profiles set up. But I'm not completely sure where the conversions happen on the file open and display pipeline. Oh I can assign the right color profile and it fixes it right away, no conversion necessary. But how do I know which color profile to assign? What if the original was SUPPOSED to look bland and lifeless? What if I'm messing up the colors by assigning an Adobe RGB profile where I was supposed to leave it as sRGB? That tends to mess up the colors the other way, adding contrast and saturation where there should be less. Again, this seems to me to point to an incorrect monitor color profile. In any case, like I mentioned in my original post, I specifically have it set to Ask what to do in the Preferences, and it doesn't ask. Like I said, this could be because there is nothing to ask about. The file is opened by converting from its original color space to the working space and then displayed that way. The asking may only happen when you want to convert from the original color space to your display color space (which could be your monitor profile or a print profile, for example) before conversion to sRGB for working. Again, this just a guess. I'm talking enough to convince myself but we really need someone with more color management experience explaining it. -- Michael J. HammelPrincipal Software Engineer mjham...@graphics-muse.org http://graphics-muse.org -- Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. -- Credited to the Dalai Lama. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 18:34 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to the picture, then save it, and re-open it, THEN it asks me what to do with the color profile, just like I expected it to. Apparently the original file has the profile embedded in some different manner. However, [big-brand commercial application] has no trouble determining what the color space should be, even with the original files. Ah. See? I told you we needed someone who understood it better. :-) -- Michael J. HammelPrincipal Software Engineer mjham...@graphics-muse.org http://graphics-muse.org -- Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. -- Credited to the Dalai Lama. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Pixelation of text
Larry, At what physical dimensions are you trying to print the text? The document should be at least above 200 DPI @ whatever physical dimension, to avoid obvious pixelation (assuming you do have antialiasing enabled). If you want to email the XCF to me, I can take a quick look at it. Marc Marc Carson Email: m...@marccarson.com On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Larry H. for...@gimpusers.com wrote: On 01/12/2010 02:33 PM, Larry H. wrote: When I use the text tool, the output is noticeably pixelated. How can I prevent that? I am learning to use GIMP 2.6 on a Windows XP professional machine, a Dell. It'd be helpful if you could post the file online somewhere and send us a link, so we can see it. But as a guess: have you checked the Antialiasing checkbox, in the Text toolbox/palette? And, is your zoom level (on the image's View menu) set to ~100%? If you're zoomed way in it may look pixelated, even though at the actual size (100%) it really is smooth. Also, if the image mode (on the image's Image menu) is set to something other than RGB, changing it to RGB may help. If none of that helps, post the file online, and/or give us some more details. -- Thanks for your quick response! I checked on the things you mentioned: 1) Antialiasing is checked. What is Force auto-hinter? 2) Zoom level is set to 100% And the pixilation shows up in prints as well. I export to JPEG and print, because when I try to print from GIMP it just gives me a tiny thumbnail. 3) The image mode is set to RGB. 4) Do you have a suggestion what URL I could post this online. I'll do that very happily to get your feedback on the file. Thanks. Larry H. (via www.gimpusers.com) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's only open source tools that are unable to, including Gimp. So is this a bug? Or is Pentax really that crazy with their file formats? They can't be that crazy if commercial applications have no trouble with the files. Someone mentioned I should perhaps post examples of these files, and that's a fine idea. Wish I'd thought of it sooner. These were taken at seriously-reduced megapixels in the interest of file size. I figured the file format was more important than the quality of the picture. Here's one straight from my K-7, in Adobe RGB: http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Wc8Lq42A20qRxDoTj1dNRQ?feat=directlink And here's another one in sRGB, taken immediately after the above: http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/c7_78WNLRXvEgHnmb6QM4g?feat=directlink Both can be downloaded in full by using the Download link -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's only open source tools that are unable to, including Gimp. So is this a bug? Or is Pentax really that crazy with their file formats? They can't be that crazy if commercial applications have no trouble with the files. That's a fallacy, I'm afraid. We don't know if their formats are crazy. But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are documented, or someone reverse-engineers them, we are unlikely to gain support for them in open-source software. (OTOH, it could just be attached in the metadata. EXIF / IPTC support is not complete yet.) Someone mentioned I should perhaps post examples of these files, and that's a fine idea. Wish I'd thought of it sooner. These were taken at seriously-reduced megapixels in the interest of file size. I figured the file format was more important than the quality of the picture. Here's one straight from my K-7, in Adobe RGB: http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Wc8Lq42A20qRxDoTj1dNRQ?feat=directlink And here's another one in sRGB, taken immediately after the above: http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/c7_78WNLRXvEgHnmb6QM4g?feat=directlink These could be quite helpful if someone is inclined to reverse engineer it to spot the difference ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know if their formats are crazy. But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are documented, or someone reverse-engineers them, we are unlikely to gain support for them in open-source software. (OTOH, it could just be attached in the metadata. EXIF / IPTC support is not complete yet.) ok... but why is Gimp assuming sRGB? Even if the color profile is attached in some bizarre non-standard manner, Gimp should detect NO color profile and ask me about it when I open the file. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? That's what other applications do, for example Digikam/showFoto. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
