[Gimp-user] images breaking up when zooming, and artefacts when using tools
i've got a strange problem: when zooming images in the GIMP (2.8.2, installed from archlinux [extra]), viewing them larger than the size they are being automatically zoomed to by default, they break up into unconnected, rectangular tiles. moving (panning) them around with the mouse so that they partially leave the screen brings those parts back to be displayed properly. means i have to 'swivel' the image across all borders to get it to display properly. in addition, applying scissors or path tool leaves artefacts on the image that can be removed the same way. i've noticed this first with the development version of GIMP (2.9, compiled from GIT) and thought those were the new GIMP's growing pains -- but then i noticed the same happening with the stable version (2.8). i've tried switching to an earlier version of xf86-video-ati and to an earlier kernel, but neither rectifies the problem. i also tried different options in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ 20-radeon.conf, whith the same result, i.e., none. seems to have something to do with the image being refreshed, or not being refreshed, but which part of the system is at fault baffles me. i'm using arch +testing, and here are my system's details: System: Host: laptop Kernel: 3.7.3-1-ARCH x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE 4.9.98 Distro: Arch Linux Machine: Mobo: ASUSTeK model: K53SK version: 1.0 serial: BSN12345678901234567 Bios: American Megatrends version: K53SK.203 date: 10/11/2011 CPU: Quad core Intel Core i7-2670QM CPU (HT-MCP) clocked at 800.00 MHz Graphics: Card-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Whistler LE [AMD Radeon HD 6625M Graphics] X.org: 1.13.1 drivers: ati,radeon,intel tty size: 114x37 -- phani. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.dewrote: Von: Richard Gitschlag strata_ran...@hotmail.com Sometimes I really miss the fact that GIMP has no paste in place command like Inkscape does. Feature request? You should add a description of how this works in Inkscape, and how you expect this to be handled in GIMP - e.g. what is the place if you paste to an image of totally different size, at a different zoom level, ... Some old discussion on this: http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-developer/12672-gimp-ux-paste#message58351 I created a paste into selection script (scales the copied image to fit the current selection using default interpolation mode): http://pastebin.com/fKUxE8Ag More useful (imoo), I also created a paste as new layer centered script which pastes the clipboard content as a new layer centered on the current selection , the current layer (if no selection), or the canvas if no active layer. Either of these could just be keymapped to Ctrl+v. (The built in Paste as New Layer could be bound to ctrl+v as well, but I didn't like that it creates the new layer at 0,0 hence the script). -Rob A. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
In a nutshell, when the selection is copied it includes the (x,y) offset from the upper-left corner of the image canvas, and it utilizes this offset when pasting back into the image. Image zoom is irrelevant and so is canvas size (mostly). For now, the quickest workaround we have to paste at a specific area of the image is Paste Into then To New Layer -- and what exactly the difference is between it and normal Paste I've still got to figure out. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:17:14 +0100 From: schum...@gmx.de To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods Von: Richard Gitschlag strata_ran...@hotmail.com Sometimes I really miss the fact that GIMP has no paste in place command like Inkscape does. Feature request? You should add a description of how this works in Inkscape, and how you expect this to be handled in GIMP - e.g. what is the place if you paste to an image of totally different size, at a different zoom level, ... Regards, Michael ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/21/2013 03:57 AM, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/21/2013 01:30 AM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: As GIMP concepts go, floating selections have always existed in GIMP and they really are something that needs to be killed off with fire because of how big a stumbling block they are to new users. *applauds* If I recall correctly, floats existed before layers in the GIMP, as a mechanism for moving pasted-in content around before merging it into the image. Floats were not a problem for me when I was learning how to use the GIMP, and now I take them so much for granted that it's kind of tricky to think about the impact of doing away with them. Floats enable and require the user to explicitly anchor pasted content somewhere, i.e. make a new layer for it, merge it down into an existing layer, or merge it down into a layer mask. Whether I would be OK with floats being done away with, would depend on the proposed mechanism for targeting where pasted content lands in the layer stack: A proposed replacement for floats would have to accomplish the same results in a smaller number of steps, or the same number of steps but in a way that is substantially easier for a beginner to understand and use. Right now I can't think of a way to improve on the existing floating layer workflow. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/21/2013 11:06 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: On 01/21/2013 03:57 AM, Ofnuts wrote: On 01/21/2013 01:30 AM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: As GIMP concepts go, floating selections have always existed in GIMP and they really are something that needs to be killed off with fire because of how big a stumbling block they are to new users. *applauds* If I recall correctly, floats existed before layers in the GIMP, as a mechanism for moving pasted-in content around before merging it into the image. Floats were not a problem for me when I was learning how to use the GIMP, and now I take them so much for granted that it's kind of tricky to think about the impact of doing away with them. Floats enable and require the user to explicitly anchor pasted content somewhere, i.e. make a new layer for it, merge it down into an existing layer, or merge it down into a layer mask. Whether I would be OK with floats being done away with, would depend on the proposed mechanism for targeting where pasted content lands in the layer stack: A proposed replacement for floats would have to accomplish the same results in a smaller number of steps, or the same number of steps but in a way that is substantially easier for a beginner to understand and use. Right now I can't think of a way to improve on the existing floating layer workflow. In my experiment, I created a layer group and moved an image into it, and then: created a second-level layer sub-group within the group; moved my original picture into the group selected an area of the image in the subgroup copied / pasted To-New-Layered it moved the new layer into the newly created group. I supposed that the entire indented activity was a single operation activated by the copy/paste activity The sub-group can be manipulated essentially the same as the float had been; then afterward the anchor command is replaced by Merge Layer Group. I think this might be substantially easier for a beginner to understand and use -- Burnie ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:06:41 -0500 From: ad...@pilobilus.net To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods Right now I can't think of a way to improve on the existing floating layer workflow. I can -- perhaps not changing the actual functionality but the manner in which it is displayed in the layer list. For example, say my layer stack is: - C - B - A Say I make/float/paste a selection using layer B. My layer stack now displays: - Floating selection - C - B - A Here's the problem: The floating selection is not at the top of the layer stack - it is actually between layers B (the source layer) and C (the layer above it). The layer stack SHOULD display: - C - Floating selection - B - A This makes it visually clear WHICH layer the float came from. (Or, alternatively: ) - C - B - - Floating selection - A Which is something of a group-like display, but again this makes clear which layer the float belongs to. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
Hi everyone. I have just uploaded Gimp2 onto my computer after having a massive crash a few weeks ago. I had Photoshop CS4 on it previously, but I no longer have a useable software disk for it and in all honesty I cannot justify the cost of getting it again for what I do. So my question for now will be straightforward. My first impression of Gimp was that it was a little awkward, but I'm getting used to it now. The main thing I use this type of software for is making signatures for my forum. Like this one [IMG]http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/melanieoz/My%20Sigs%20and%20stuff/NewElleSiggy.jpg[/IMG] When I make these, taking stock photographs and using the lasso selection tool in CS4, I have an option by right clicking on my selection and choosing 'feather' which softens the edges of the selection and makes it look less like a simple cut out. Does anyone know how to achieve the same result with Gimp? Of course I know I'll have a lot more questions later -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/21/2013 03:10 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:06:41 -0500 From: ad...@pilobilus.net To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods Right now I can't think of a way to improve on the existing floating layer workflow. I can -- perhaps not changing the actual functionality but the manner in which it is displayed in the layer list. For example, say my layer stack is: - C - B - A Say I make/float/paste a selection using layer B. My layer stack now displays: - Floating selection - C - B - A Here's the problem: The floating selection is not at the top of the layer stack - it is actually between layers B (the source layer) and C (the layer above it). The layer stack SHOULD display: - C - Floating selection - B - A This makes it visually clear WHICH layer the float came from. (Or, alternatively: ) - C - B - - Floating selection - A Which is something of a group-like display, but again this makes clear which layer the float belongs to. This is substantially my experiment, Steve - It takes simply replacing floating selection by create layer group with current layer and selection above it but I confused the issue by responding to gimp-developer rather than gimp-user. What I suggested in the developer list was How about automatically creating a layer group with the selection layer above a copy of the original layer? This appears (at a quick glance) to work in nested layer groups as well. -- -- Burnie ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
On 01/21/2013 03:49 PM, RogueRanger wrote: When I make these, taking stock photographs and using the lasso selection tool in CS4, I have an option by right clicking on my selection and choosing 'feather' which softens the edges of the selection and makes it look less like a simple cut out. Does anyone know how to achieve the same result with Gimp? Select the lasso (actually, any) selection tool in GIMP, check the feather and possibly antialiasing checkbox(es), then make your selection. You can adjust the amount of feathering; the feathering will approximately bridge the selection line, so the selection will include roughly r/2 pixels outside the line and r/2 inside, where r is the feathering Radius. The number r can be as small or as large as you like, in tenths of a pixel. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
Hi, On 21 Jan 13 23:49 RogueRanger for...@gimpusers.com said: I have an option by right clicking on my selection and choosing 'feather'...Does anyone know how to achieve the same result with Gimp? Make your selection, right-click anywhwere on the image, choose Select then Feather, choose the feathering options on the dialogue that appears. How much easier/similar do you want? :-) Greg Chapman http://www.gregtutor.plus.com Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] layers, new problem with old methods
On 01/21/2013 06:54 PM, bgw wrote: On 01/21/2013 03:10 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: [...] I can -- perhaps not changing the actual functionality but the manner in which it is displayed in the layer list. For example, say my layer stack is: - C - B - A Say I make/float/paste a selection using layer B. My layer stack now displays: - Floating selection - C - B - A Here's the problem: The floating selection is not at the top of the layer stack - it is actually between layers B (the source layer) and C (the layer above it). The layer stack SHOULD display: - C - Floating selection - B - A This makes it visually clear WHICH layer the float came from. (Or, alternatively: ) - C - B - - Floating selection - A Which is something of a group-like display, but again this makes clear which layer the float belongs to. I can't quite wrap my head around that. Floats belong to whatever layer or mask was current when the clipboard content was pasted in. You can only do two things with a float: Make it a new layer by using the 'add layer' command, or use the 'anchor' command to merge it down into whatever layer or mask was already selected when the float was pasted into the image. I thought this might have changed with the new layer groups feature, but I just did some tests and it looks like that's not the case: Doing this operation with the source and destination of copied content in different layer groups works the same as when there are no groups. If you want to add content from the clipboard as a new layer at any specified location in the layer stack, the workflow would be: 1. Select and copy the content you want to duplicate. 2. Select the layer you want the float to be above, create a new empty layer (Ctrl+Shift+n, Enter). A new transparent layer appears above the previously selected layer and becomes the currently selected layer. (Or better, Ctrl+Shift+n, type a name then Enter.) 3. Paste (Ctrl+v) and anchor (Ctrl+h). A float will appear and merge into the new layer you just created. I don't understand the reason for inserting a float anywhere but at the top of the layers list, because it's really just a transitional place holder. The float enables the user to tweak the position, scale and geometry of a copied and pasted selection before merging it into its destination layer, but that's the only use I see for it. Others may know more things to do with floats. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] images breaking up when zooming, and artefacts when using tools
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:34:45 +0530, phani listm...@phanisvara.com wrote: i've got a strange problem: when zooming images in the GIMP (2.8.2, installed from archlinux [extra]), viewing them larger than the size they are being automatically zoomed to by default, they break up into unconnected, rectangular tiles. ... there wasn't any reply, but i got the solution on the archlinux users list: after downgrading cairo from 1.12.10-1 - 1.12.8-2 the problem's solved. just in case somebody else runs into this and looks here... ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
On 01/21/2013 03:49 PM, RogueRanger wrote: When I make these, taking stock photographs and using the lasso selection tool in CS4, I have an option by right clicking on my selection and choosing 'feather' which softens the edges of the selection and makes it look less like a simple cut out. Does anyone know how to achieve the same result with Gimp? Select the lasso (actually, any) selection tool in GIMP, check the feather and possibly antialiasing checkbox(es), then make your selection. You can adjust the amount of feathering; the feathering will approximately bridge the selection line, so the selection will include roughly r/2 pixels outside the line and r/2 inside, where r is the feathering Radius. The number r can be as small or as large as you like, in tenths of a pixel. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] newvie asks differences between Gimp and Photoshop
thank you both. I thought it would be similar and I did try that. But the lasso arc was still active and I wasn't able to end it. What am I doing wrong? -- RogueRanger (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
