Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
[...] I just copy/paste and scale as needed but I cannot work on anything else until I anchor it. Actually you can also click New layer in the layers dalogue to turn the floating selection into a layer, and then you can work on other things. Very frustrating when I want to adjust something underneath to match it while it is still a separate layer (and I would like to keep it a separate layer, too). You can indeed. I used to have to go and click the New Layer button every time until I discovered this handy shortcut: Ctrl+Shift+N It makes your floating selection a new layer without having to move away from the target area! (On a similar[?] note, Ctrl+Shift+D is useful for duplicating a layer so you can have an unedited copy and then do something crazy to the other copy.) On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/10/2013 06:54 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2013 10:50 AM, maderios wrote: On 08/09/2013 03:07 PM, s.kortenweg wrote: When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple and second the user must be happy with the results of your work. In the endless discussion of export vs. Save i believe that the second rule is violated. Hi The Gimp developers approach is unfortunately very closed. They do not care about the users and they believe they have the truth But a developer is mainly a developer, not a professional image editing. You can compare with other software development, like new Enlightenment (E17 and E18). It's completely different. The developers and the main developer (Rasterman) listen to users reviews and they use these criticisms to improve the program. http://www.enlightenment.org/ http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=enlightenment-users Greetings if they're so good, go and use them, then. Or take a few classes on programming and fork the code, as I suggested earlier. Seriously, nothing's wrong with criticism of a feature you like or don't like as a user as long as: 1. You explain that as a user 2. You realize that you may be in the minority there. Hi I use Enlightenment everyday, I try to help developers if I can, modestly Minority ? Thousands of posts on this list about the problem save export Gimp-2.8, it does not matter of course The developers seem to live in a sealed box, ignoring the image editing reality, ignoring the fact that the new save export breaks the rhythm of work. Regards -- Maderios Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. Stop imagining your personal opinion to be somehow representative of the majority, its really quite annoying. Besides, open source development is not a democracy, so the majority-ness of any opinion is practically useless. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:46:58 +0800 From: ngoonee.t...@gmail.com To: mader...@gmail.com CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. This single topic has nearly 300 replies by now (if not more), and there have certainly been dozens of other, smaller topics over time, mostly clustered around 2.8's launch. It is probably safe to assume there are over 1,000 posts on the matter in total ...and, of course, +1 to the pile. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
* Richard Gitschlag strata_ran...@hotmail.com [08-13-13 11:26]: This single topic has nearly 300 replies by now (if not more), and there have certainly been dozens of other, smaller topics over time, mostly clustered around 2.8's launch. It is probably safe to assume there are over 1,000 posts on the matter in total Certainly possibly 1000 posts but *many* deviate widely from the subject and *many* repeated admonitions by a very *few* users. So counting post has little weight. And it *is* a *pile* [insert suitable context here]. -1 -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] I cannot support 2.8
Developers of GIMP, I realize that the GIMP is written by programmers and not photographers or artists. I can no longer see financially supporting the GIMP beyond 2.6 due to the poor decisions made in 2.8. I much prefer to use GIMP over PS and other commercial software I have at my disposal. It is with a heavy heart I tell the GIMP community. Unless the developers correct obvious issues made by so-called improvements, in the next release, I see no future for GIMP at all. I know there are few of you who will read this and say, who cares? I do. That is why I will continue to use 2.6.7 for as long as I can. But the developers of GIMP will have to do it without my funding until they get back on the right track. Until then, I will be waiting. Sincerely, Marc -- M_Leverette (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] I cannot support 2.8
I am GIMP user from time when GIMP came out and I was all the time Unix user. For me is GIMP 2.8 better than 2.6 and I believe that Photoshop is written by programmers too… On Aug 13, 2013, at 1:01 PM, M_Leverette for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Developers of GIMP, I realize that the GIMP is written by programmers and not photographers or artists. I can no longer see financially supporting the GIMP beyond 2.6 due to the poor decisions made in 2.8. I much prefer to use GIMP over PS and other commercial software I have at my disposal. It is with a heavy heart I tell the GIMP community. Unless the developers correct obvious issues made by so-called improvements, in the next release, I see no future for GIMP at all. I know there are few of you who will read this and say, who cares? I do. That is why I will continue to use 2.6.7 for as long as I can. But the developers of GIMP will have to do it without my funding until they get back on the right track. Until then, I will be waiting. Sincerely, Marc -- M_Leverette (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list Mitja http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] I cannot support 2.8
On 08/13/2013 07:20 PM, ajtiM wrote: I am GIMP user from time when GIMP came out and I was all the time Unix user. For me is GIMP 2.8 better than 2.6 and I believe that Photoshop is written by programmers too… Hi 1) Yes photoshop is written by programmers too but these programmers are assisted by professional users of image editing and professional photographers. 2) Photoshop is first made for professionals needs, then for amateur users. For Gimp, it is the opposite. Regards On Aug 13, 2013, at 1:01 PM, M_Leverette for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Developers of GIMP, I realize that the GIMP is written by programmers and not photographers or artists. I can no longer see financially supporting the GIMP beyond 2.6 due to the poor decisions made in 2.8. I much prefer to use GIMP over PS and other commercial software I have at my disposal. It is with a heavy heart I tell the GIMP community. Unless the developers correct obvious issues made by so-called improvements, in the next release, I see no future for GIMP at all. I know there are few of you who will read this and say, who cares? I do. That is why I will continue to use 2.6.7 for as long as I can. But the developers of GIMP will have to do it without my funding until they get back on the right track. Until then, I will be waiting. Sincerely, Marc -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
Oon-Ee Ng writes: Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. In case people are curious: I've been saving posts on this topic since the beginning. Initially I was curious how the weight of opinion would balance out, and once I got started I just kept saving them. My count isn't exact: I didn't save messages I judged to be too far off topic (like the recent Excel discussion), but that's an opinion call; and my archive also includes email and blog comments I've received regarding my save-export-clean plug-in, so it has a few messages that haven't appeared on these lists. The current count is 1414, not including this message. I never tried to classify individual messages as for or against the change, so I have no counts for that. ...Akkana ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] BW negatives.
Apologies if this is all too obvious (except for me?), but is there a way to convert a black white negative (scanned) to a positive, in Gimp (now, alas, using Windows 8, for the moment). I thought there was (perhaps it was distant memories of my Photoshop days, using Mac? :))? Thanks in advance for any pointers. Henry Oops, found it at colors -- invert... temporary blindness (I hope! :)) Henry ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On 08/13/2013 07:14 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: Oon-Ee Ng writes: Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. In case people are curious: I've been saving posts on this topic since the beginning. Initially I was curious how the weight of opinion would balance out, and once I got started I just kept saving them. My count isn't exact: I didn't save messages I judged to be too far off topic (like the recent Excel discussion), but that's an opinion call; and my archive also includes email and blog comments I've received regarding my save-export-clean plug-in, so it has a few messages that haven't appeared on these lists. The current count is 1414, not including this message. I never tried to classify individual messages as for or against the change, so I have no counts for that. ...Akkana ___ Hi Akkana Thanks for your save-export-clean plug-in which is very useful. That's all I can say Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On 08/13/2013 11:48 AM, maderios wrote: ...Akkana ___ snip That's all I can say Regards -- Maderios Ah-h-hwish it were so ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] (no subject)
Hi All. I am looking to use Gimp to do a very large drawing for print. I was using MyPaint but for this particular drawing Gimp will do the job much better not to mention the CPU resource the .ora format overuses every time I try to use it in other software not to mention the file itself is pretty huge to begin with. Anyway I have my drawing tablet working but Gimp only utilises half of the drawing area vertically and about 85% of the drawing area horizontally. My current workaround this is to use excessive panning. I use Gimp 2.6 on Ubuntu 10.10 ( I know its an old version but I have way too much software and not enough data in the month to do an complete OS install). Is the problem something that can be fixed in a file somewhere or is an upgrade an absolute must in this case. -- Sent from Ubuntu ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] BW negatives.
Apologies if this is all too obvious (except for me?), but is there a way to convert a black white negative (scanned) to a positive, in Gimp (now, alas, using Windows 8, for the moment). I thought there was (perhaps it was distant memories of my Photoshop days, using Mac? :))? Thanks in advance for any pointers. Henry ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] changes in the mailing list etiquette
Hi, We've just introduced a short code of conduct for all of our mailing lists instead of the long netiquette guidelines we used to have. Please read it at http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html. The changes take effect immediately. Alexandre Prokoudine, on behalf of the GIMP team ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] I cannot support 2.8
But the developers of GIMP will have to do it without my funding until they get back on the right track. Until then, I will be waiting. Sincerely, Marc -- M_Leverette (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) Dear Developers, In response to the above, I've made a donation. Keep up the good work. Kevin ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] I cannot support 2.8
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Kevin Payne wrote: But the developers of GIMP will have to do it without my funding until they get back on the right track. Until then, I will be waiting. Sincerely, Marc -- M_Leverette (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) Dear Developers, In response to the above, I've made a donation. Thank you both: for being honest, and for being supportive. Alexandre ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
I too have been following this thread since it's inception (not as empirically as Ms Peck though) and see the same exact complaints come up time and again I find it oddly unsettling how the developers have consistently turned a deaf ear to this important issue by not making it possible in the settings to allow GIMP users to select the old way of saving as and exporting content instead of being forced into one way of doing things...which leads me to wonder if there might be a hidden agenda of some sort? also a question for Akkana: do you still have that script available that simulates the old style of save as and export? :) kc On 08/13/2013 10:14 AM, Akkana Peck wrote: Oon-Ee Ng writes: Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. In case people are curious: I've been saving posts on this topic since the beginning. Initially I was curious how the weight of opinion would balance out, and once I got started I just kept saving them. My count isn't exact: I didn't save messages I judged to be too far off topic (like the recent Excel discussion), but that's an opinion call; and my archive also includes email and blog comments I've received regarding my save-export-clean plug-in, so it has a few messages that haven't appeared on these lists. The current count is 1414, not including this message. I never tried to classify individual messages as for or against the change, so I have no counts for that. ...Akkana ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] BW negatives.
On 8/13/2013 6:27 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: On 13-08-13 02:39 PM, Henry W. Peters wrote: Apologies if this is all too obvious (except for me?), but is there a way to convert a black white negative (scanned) to a positive, in Gimp Right click the image - Colors - Invert Thanks Kevin, live learn! Henry ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] changes in the mailing list etiquette
I venture that the silent majority will be hoping that those who continue to flog a dead horse on another thread will take particular note of the requirement to avoid repetitive arguments. Geoff Smith London -- View this message in context: http://gimp.1065349.n5.nabble.com/changes-in-the-mailing-list-etiquette-tp39813p39820.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
