[Gimp-user] Can gimp store layer meta-data?

2014-06-14 Thread Brendan Scott

I would like to import photo references and be able to keep track of what file 
came from where within my xcf file, preferably within the layer to which the 
reference is imported (or paste). Any idea if this is possible?

Thanks

Brendan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Is it possible to set the max brush pen slider values

2014-01-30 Thread Brendan Scott

On 01/31/2014 07:31 AM, Paul Read wrote:

The sliders are nearly useless for me as I typically use pens and brush
sizes of 1,5, 10 and 20.  I need to change the size regularly and the
sliders would be ideal yet my 'working' range is in a tiny little bit at
the end of the slider value.



If you install my BGII plugin it will allow you to choose brush sizes from a 
drop down.
So, you just add 1, 5, 10 and 20 and they are the only sizes which will be 
shown in the drop down. You can set a key to cycle through your size presets as 
well, so you don't even need to use that. BGII does other stuff as well.

The plugin is here:
http://registry.gimp.org/node/28413

Regards


Brendan

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Re: [Gimp-user] Funding new features in gimp - what features would you choose?

2013-12-18 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/18/2013 08:05 PM, FallenLegend wrote:


The abillity to resize the brush just by dragging the mouse/stylus by pressing a
button.


I think there's a plug in that does this (have a look in the registry).

I have done a plug in which (among other things) allows you to select brush 
size presets from a dropdown (which I find more useful):
http://registry.gimp.org/node/28413
 


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Re: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour

2013-12-05 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/05/2013 06:51 PM, Andrew_Bridget wrote:




Dirty flag?


A.k.a. 'unsaved changes'.



I would like to see the ability to work on an image, export to a certain scale 
then continue to work on the image without having undo changes due to the 
scaled export.
Could scaling be included in the export routine to over come this ?


I think that's available in Save for Web?





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Re: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour

2013-12-05 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/05/2013 12:28 AM, Simon Budig wrote:

Brendan Scott (disposableem...@apps.opensourcelaw.biz) wrote:

What I have also said is that if
the purpose of the distinction is to preserve work, it didn't serve
that function for me.  That suggests to me that the UI may need more
thought.

You ought to ask your question of someone else.


To me it is entirely unclear, what in your workflow differenciates a
good warning dialog from a bad warning dialog.


It may be that it's not about warning dialogs.  At the moment I'm trying to 
just describe the issue I have faced.


Without a hint from you we're 100% in the Do-What-I-Mean-Button
ballpark which is not really helping with the more thought we might
need.

I gathered from your mail, that you lost work because the save/export
distinction conditioned you into clicking the warning away. So, if you
don't want us to remove the warning, what are our options?


I will assume then that you haven't seen my earlier posts.

Here is some more detail.   Ordinarily (since May when I started using GIMP 
regularly-ish), I work in xcf and have no desire to export except maybe once at 
the end.  So, the default set up suits me most of the time.

There are two occasions where I used export rather than save.  The first was 
doing some levels and cropping on photos I had taken (scores, but I've not 
processed them all yet).  That went swimmingly, but the close dialogs were 
annoying.  The second was editing out a background on 70 odd (poorly-) chroma 
keyed photos (to be composited with a background by someone else).  I got 
through a small number before realising that I was exporting to jpg, losing the 
transparent areas I'd added.

I lost some work because of the format I was using and the save/export 
distinction didn't avoid that.  Partly this was because I was habituated to 
ignore the save as xcf warning.  This is probably because the warning appears 
no matter what the risk is (or, in the case of my cropping etc, when there was 
no risk).  The save warnings are false positives because they are triggered by 
an irrelevant condition (ie close with export but no save).  The true trigger 
for a warning was that I was trying to export an image to an inconsistent 
format (ie image has transparency but format doesn't support it).

I am confident that I would have taken more notice of a warning (because it 
would be out of the ordinary) if it: (a) didn't pop up the false positives; but 
(b) did pop up an inconsistent format warning. Apparently this functionality or 
something like it was in 2.6?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour

2013-12-04 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/04/2013 09:34 PM, Andrew  Bridget wrote:

On 04/12/2013 07:42, Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:

The save/export UI may need more thought.

Why ?


Because if its aim was to prevent me from losing work (transparency edits), it 
failed.  It failed because:
* I was so used to hitting close without saving to get rid of the irrelevant 
save dialog box that I didn't realise when it really was relevant; and
* even if I had realised, xcf still wouldn't have been my preferred target 
format.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour

2013-12-04 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/04/2013 06:42 PM, Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:

The save/export UI may need more thought.


As a Windows user, I am also annoyed by Gimp's behaviour, it's
strange. The default behaviour of any Windows program is to save a
document in the format it was opened in or possibly suggest you to
convert it to a more suitable one, i.e. programs behave the other
round, compared to Gimp. So maybe the expected behaviour also depends
on the OS you use.

But even under Windows, nobody would expect that a dedicted export
routine would clean the dirty flag.


1. I'm not hung up on the dirty flag, just trying to brainstorm.

2. What I was proposing was a picture tweaking/editing mode in which that 
occurred. Not as a default behaviour of export.  If I was in my normal usage 
mode the current implementation suits me fine (default to xcf and no dirty flag 
reset on export).
  
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Re: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour

2013-12-04 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/04/2013 11:22 PM, Simon Budig wrote:

Brendan Scott (disposableem...@apps.opensourcelaw.biz) wrote:

On 12/04/2013 09:34 PM, Andrew  Bridget wrote:

On 04/12/2013 07:42, Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:

The save/export UI may need more thought.

Why ?


Because if its aim was to prevent me from losing work (transparency
edits), it failed.


And removing the save/export difference completely would have prevented
you from losing work in what way?


I haven't suggested removing the save/export difference completely.  On the contrary, I 
have said that the save/export distinction is ordinarily my preferred behaviour.  What I have also 
said is that if the purpose of the distinction is to preserve work, it didn't serve that function 
for me.  That suggests to me that the UI may need more thought.

You ought to ask your question of someone else.


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Re: [Gimp-user] problem with mouse and bamboo pad

2013-12-03 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/03/2013 09:24 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Brendan Scott
disposableem...@apps.opensourcelaw.biz wrote:

On 12/03/2013 03:28 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote:


Hi,

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com
wrote:


[]


fwiw this my experience (Intuos 5 touch M) as well.
I figured I'd done something wrong in the settings.



Well that makes 3 people, which is a pretty good sign there is
actually something wrong somewhere. Are you also using GIMP 2.8.8,
Brendan? Are you using Linux too?


GIMP 2.8.2
Opensuse 12.3



Unfortunately, we just tried again and have not been able to
reproduce. Can any of you reproduce the issue everytime? Or it just
happened this one time? If you can reproduce, would you have any
reproduction steps for me?


Now that you mention it, no.  I can't reproduce it every time.

A:
Just now I fired up GIMP, file-new-640x400
Selection and paintbrush worked for both mouse and touchpad.

B:
Open a jpg - now neither the selection tool nor the paintbrush tool works for 
the mouse.  The pen works properly though.

C:
Switch back to the original new image tab:
selection and paintbrush not working for mouse

Close GIMP
Open GIMP

D:
repeat A:
mouse not working for _any_ tools I try (to be fair, I only tried selection and 
paintbrush for A-C earlier though).
GIMP still responsive to mouse events though - eg menu, click tabs, quick mask 
and nav widgets

hope that helps.


Brendan









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Re: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour

2013-12-03 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/04/2013 05:26 AM, Richard wrote:

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:37:26 +1100 From:
disposableem...@apps.opensourcelaw.biz To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-user] Save v Export behaviour


[]


Cleaning the 'dirty' flag after export isn't going to happen - there
is a user-made GIMP plug-in that will do this for you (it adds an
Export  Clean type command to the File menu) but the core
behavior isn't negotiable :(


Maybe I'll look into the plug in.  Save v export is an annoyance (when I'm in 
jpg editing mode), but not a life changing one.


Tip: From 2.8 (.4 I think) onward will inform you if there are no
changes since the last export; the warning message will inform you
the file was recently exported so you can use this to make your own
judgement about whether it's safe to close.

There is however a GIMP plug-in that does an export and cleans the
dirty flag, but the core behavior is not -- Stratadrake


It's important to note here that the save vs export didn't actually help me 
when I lost my edits precisely because I had become habituated to ignoring the 
save warning (and the solution for me to the transparency issue is to export to 
png/gif rather than xcf btw).

The save/export UI may need more thought.


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Re: [Gimp-user] problem with mouse and bamboo pad

2013-12-02 Thread Brendan Scott

On 12/03/2013 03:28 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote:


openSUSE Tumbleweed
gimp-2.8.8-80.1.x86_64

Just about had heart failure.

Cannot select or draw or crop using my mouse.  Then realized that I had my
bamboo pad attached and found that it worked.


Someone I know just had the same thing. Well I did not think about
whether that would be the Wacom (intuos 5 here)'s fault because her
tablet is always plugged in. But same, she could not select/draw with
her mouse. She could with the laptop's pad and the tablet.
I'll see if we can reproduce later.


Will not the pad and mouse work together? or have I stumbled blindly onto
a possible bug?


No that's supposed to work (as 2 separate devices). So that's
definitely a bug. If I can reproduce it, I'll try and fix this.



fwiw this my experience (Intuos 5 touch M) as well.
I figured I'd done something wrong in the settings.




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Re: [Gimp-user] Histogramm -- values

2013-11-13 Thread Brendan Scott

On 11/14/2013 08:16 AM, scl wrote:

On 13.11.2013 at 9:38 PM �yvind Kol�s wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:39 AM, 
Wolfgang Hugemann a...@hugemann.de wrote:

...
However, there seems to be no way to display the histogramm in terms of
brightness in Gimp (?). The value seems to be just max(R,G,B). But
luminance is generally caculated by
Y = 0.2126 R + 0.7152 G + 0.0722 B
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminance_%28relative%29.

Wouldn't it make sense to offer this option?


In my opinion, the (still) widespread use of value = max(max(r,g),b)
is a remnant of 8bit image processing centric performance short-cuts.
We would be better off by using luminance in most or all the cases
where this approach is currently used.


Hi,

we had a similar discussion about the inconsistent use of the word
'value' in IRC ca. 4 months ago. Currently this word appears at various
places in GIMP:
- in the Levels Tool as a channel,
- in the Curves Tool as a channel,
- in the Colors Menu as item 'Invert value'
- in the dockable Histogram dialog as a channel (but there's also a channel 
'RGB'),
- in the dockable Pointer dialog as component of the HSV color model,
- in the dockable Sample Points dialog as component of the HSV color model,
- in the Color Picker tools info window as component of the HSV color model,
- in the Change Color dialog as component of the HSV color model (V slider),
- as result layer in Color/Decompose/HSV, HSL,
- as parameter in Filters/Distorts/Value propagate,
- as parameter in Filters/Decor/Add border,
- in various places all of the program in its original meaning
(set/increase/decrease/minimize/etc. value) and
- in various places of the help.

... and not all seem to have the same meaning as we found out that time.
There also seems to be no consensus about the meaning of this word
in the graphics industry, even when used as abbreviation for
'tonal value': some mean the brightness of a given pixel, others
the perceptual brightness of each color (yellow-light, blue-dark).

I'm for using the words value, tonal value, brightness, lightness etc.
consistently to avoid further confusion.
What are the 'officially defined' or 'most commonly used' names and
meanings in these contexts for you, the users?


For me, value means how white or black the pixel is. This assumes an implicit 
map to gray scale.  I think that this meaning remains the same even if you choose 
different ways to map to gray. So, users should be made aware of, and be able to select a 
mapping/a default mapping.




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Re: [Gimp-user] Restricting tool movement along a single axis

2013-10-31 Thread Brendan Scott

On 10/31/2013 06:57 AM, scl wrote:

On  30.10.2013 at 12:34 A.M., alemelo wrote:

So bad (and strange) that a pretty simple function hasn't been implemented yet.


thank you Alemelo for bringing up this topic.
Let's not stick with complaints, sitting back and doing nothing.
The usual way to at least increase the chance that it will be in
GIMP at sometime, is to discuss the need and requirements and
file an enhancement request. In later steps it could be regarded
in a UI specification and become implemented.

So, let's begin with the first step:

Are there more GIMP users (especially some who use GIMP often)
who need this?


I don't need it, but I think it's a good idea.  I have just encountered it with 
Autodesk Sketch Pro on my tablet.
If you set a ruler or circle it will draw either a line parallel to the ruler 
or an arc with the same centre based on where you begin drawing.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancing a carbon

2013-09-10 Thread Brendan Scott

On 09/11/2013 02:32 PM, Leonard Evens wrote:

My wife was involved in an auto accident, and the police gave her a copy
of their report.  It is essentially  a carbon of the original.  The text
they entered is very hard to read, and I was hoping to enhance it so I
can send a copy to our insurance company which they can read.

So far, nothing I've tried, such as curves, contrast, etc, has done much
good.   Does anyone have any suggestions about what I should try?


I think you're overengineering the solution.
Send them the scan you have, plus hand write or type up what you can decipher.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Brush size speed

2013-08-30 Thread Brendan Scott

On 08/30/2013 11:03 PM, legna80 wrote:

Hi there everybody :)

Well i've, been a gimp user since quite a time now, and always loved it over
photostop for doing all my work except for the one i love most, and thats
digital painting. My problem is the scaling of the brushes, ive tried everthing
but at the end i don't feel satisfied with the behavior of how gimp scales the
brushes pixel per pixel at time, its very slow working on large canvas, i know
there's the scale more shortcut but its not quite precise and swapping between
the normal scale shortcut with the scale more is a pain in the ass, at least for
me  because i barely use the keyboard so i rely heavily on my intuos 4 medium
tablet using the touch ring for scaling, so my questions are:

theres no way to have a similar  brush scale behavior similar to the one in
photoshop ? like it doesnt matter if im very zoomed in or very zoomed out, the
brush scales fast and precise

I dont remember where i read about this other shortcut called  increase brush
size relative, that is like a more precise way to scale the brush size but my
problem is why it does nothing after assigning a key to it ? well it does, on
the bottom where zoom percentage is located,to the right ive seen that it shows
the selected tool, and when i click the assigned key to the command i said
before it shows Brush Angel 0.00. why? im not trying to rotate the brush im
trying to scale it, maybe is a bug i dont know.

Anyways thats my issue guys, hope somebody can give me any advice for this.


I usually only want one of 3 or 4 sizes.  I've written a plug-in which (among 
other things) allows you to cycle through specific brush size presets (eg 10, 
20, 40, 80) (and define your own).  I have it bound to one of my side buttons.

See if it helps:
http://registry.gimp.org/node/28413


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Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness

2013-08-30 Thread Brendan Scott

On 08/31/2013 05:28 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:

On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 12:22 +0200, Michael Natterer wrote:


I think the OP is concerned because the opacity slider does not affect the
active layer.


It does.

The UI would be massively clearer if the opacity slider was moved down
under the other layer-specific controls and maybe under the list of
layers, or under the actual layer name - it's not obvious today that the
opacity slider applies to the layer selected in the list beneath it.


IMO, this is worth thinking about. Right now it's not possible to have
an overlook of each layer's opacity. OTOH, one might argue a visible
slider for each layer would clutter UI.


I think the opacity (display) widget should be a small (eg 10x2 or  20x4 pixel) 
progress bar for each layer.
While I'm at it, a lock widget could be a similarly small green (unlocked) or 
red (locked) round button. It doesn't need to actually look like a lock.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Brush size speed

2013-08-30 Thread Brendan Scott

On 08/31/2013 12:10 AM, legna80 wrote:
[]

See if it helps:
http://registry.gimp.org/node/28413


Hey thanks for the response Brendan :)


Np


Well its not exactly what im looking for but  i ll give it a try anyways and see
what happens...
btw your plugin looks awesome never hear of it before :p


Thanks - it was only released a couple of weeks ago.

Keep an eye out, I'm aiming to have a couple of improvements

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[Gimp-user] Using python to create a dockable dialog?

2013-08-11 Thread Brendan Scott

Hi

Is it possible to create dockable dialogs in GIMP using python scripting?

As an aside, is it possible to have more than one toolbox in the UI?

Thanks


Brendan
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[Gimp-user] Sample script was: Re Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color

2013-08-07 Thread Brendan Scott

I have written a short python script to do paint-with-erase (see below)
Have no idea if it has unwanted side effects.

It gives no visible feedback of the current drawing mode :(
I'd be interested to hear how I might provide this feedback.


 Script

'''
toggle_eraser.py

toggles the current tool between eraser and paintbrush


Brendan Scott
Version: 1.20130807
7 August 2013

Copyright (C) 2013 Brendan Scott

This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with this program.  If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/



'''

from gimpfu import *
import gimp, gimpplugin
from gimpenums import *
from gimpshelf import shelf


PAINT_METHODS = ('gimp-pencil', 'gimp-paintbrush', 'gimp-eraser', 
'gimp-airbrush',
'gimp-ink', 'gimp-clone', 'gimp-heal', 
'gimp-perspective-clone',
'gimp-convolve', 'gimp-smudge', 
'gimp-dodge-burn')  #just for reference



TOGGLE_MODES = [23, 0] # 0 = normal, 23 = erase mode

class Toggle_Eraser(gimpplugin.plugin):
def start(self):
gimp.main(self.init, self.quit, self.query, self._run)

def init(self):

pass

def quit(self):
pass

def query(self):

# called to find what functionality the plugin provides.
gimp.install_procedure( toggle_eraser,
  Toggles current drawing mode between normal and erase,
'''Toggles current drawing mode between normal and erase (simulates 
toggling eraser and paintbrush)''',
Brendan Scott,
Brendan Scott,
2013,
Image/Tools/Toggle/Eraser,
,
   PLUGIN,
[(PDB_INT32, run_mode, Run mode)],
[])

def toggle_eraser(self, arg1):

current_mode = gimp.pdb.gimp_context_get_paint_mode()
   
if current_mode == 0:

new_mode= 23
elif current_mode == 23:
new_mode=0
else: # do nothing
return

gimp.pdb.gimp_context_set_paint_mode(new_mode)


if __name__ == '__main__':
Toggle_Eraser().start()
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Re: [Gimp-user] batch mode in gimp?

2013-08-02 Thread Brendan Scott

On 08/03/2013 04:18 AM, Ofnuts wrote:

On 08/02/2013 10:47 AM, Josef Wolf wrote:

On Do, Aug 01, 2013 at 09:44:59 +0200, Ofnuts wrote:

[]


I have a strong feeling that it is time for me to switch to a real, reliable
programming language, which script-fu would be (so I hope).


At the risk of raising some eyebrows, better switch to python. You'll find more 
uses for it outside of Gimp, and inside Gimp you can do more things with it 
than with script-fu (like create your own dialogs...). It is also a thousand 
times more readable.


+1
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Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color

2013-07-29 Thread Brendan Scott

On 07/30/2013 04:45 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig wrote:


At some point we had a feature where the keyboard shortcut X would
swap between two different tools (and their contexts). It seems that
this feature got lost at some point unfortunately.

Anybody willing to hunt it down and resurrect it?


X is currently taken by swapping BG/FG colors. Perhaps some other
shortcut for the swapping of tools?


The way I was thinking of it, if transparent was a color (and set as the BG), 
the shortcut would work.  This seemed logical for me because in a file with 
layers transparent is effectively the BG color for the layers above the bottom.

Anti-paint would also work I guess.
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[Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Accessing Erase

2013-07-27 Thread Brendan Scott

I am having another try at this.

I often find myself switching back and forth between the erase tool and the 
paintbrush tool.  This involves a fair bit of hunting in the toolbox - if I 
have no eraser preset set - or a little less hunting - if I have a preset set - 
each time I switch tools.

I would like it if changing to erase mode was as easy as choosing an erase 
color from the color palette (or color tool).
 
My use case is with a tablet and no keyboard.


For my motivation, see earlier posts.

Enhancement request in bugzilla is here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704775
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Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Accessing Erase

2013-07-27 Thread Brendan Scott

On 07/28/2013 07:15 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Brendan Scott wrote:


  My use case is with a tablet and no keyboard.


Are you talking about a tablet as in iPad, Galaxy Tab etc.?

Or as in Wacom? Because with Wacom simply switching ends should switch
tools. You styulus automatically associates with e.g. Paintbrush, and
your eraser associates with e.g. Eraser.



Hi Alexandre,

I have a Wacom tablet and the pen had an eraser on the other end from the 
stylus.  If I spin the pen around, it gives me an eraser with the correct size 
and dynamics (+1 gimp!). However:
- the palm rejection on the tablet often skips while the pen is being spun in 
my hand, so I can end up in a changed window, screen or activity (I am on 
Linux); and
- the GIMP's interface doesn't seem as responsive to the eraser as to the 
stylus.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Accessing Erase

2013-07-27 Thread Brendan Scott

On 07/28/2013 10:05 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Brendan Scott wrote:


- the palm rejection on the tablet often skips while the pen is being spun
in my hand, so I can end up in a changed window, screen or activity (I am on
Linux); and


I didn't quite understand this one. Are you referring to touch support
in the tablet interferring with your work?


Yes, I guess so.  As I twirl the pen I'll sometimes end up in a different 
application by the end of the spin.  So, presumably there's a touch event on my 
bottom panel.  It might also be interpreting the stylus arc as a gesture?  It's 
been a while. I didn't investigate at the time.


- the GIMP's interface doesn't seem as responsive to the eraser as to the
stylus.


How exactly?


Good question - I stopped using the eraser a while ago, so I can't quite 
remember.  If you're interested I can give it another go and report back.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color - Update

2013-07-26 Thread Brendan Scott


Just to be clear - the reason I am proposing the enhancement request is a new way of 
using a feature which has already been coded (ie giving the paintbrush eraser 
functionality).  The purpose is primarily to have a better workflow, but also to have 
more meaningful treatment of background color for pictures which have 
multiple layers (and an alpha channel).

I have reposted the sample picture here:
http://brendanlearnstosee.wordpress.com/2013/07/26/ecorche-dorsal/

The xcf has been renamed with a .jpg extension otherwise it wouldn't upload.

By way of example in relation to the paint-with-background-color trick:

*also a friend of mine commented that using white to erase was a good trick, but in 
Wesnoth it's actually really bad considering all portraits are on a transparent 
layer...

(From Wesnoth art forums: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23t=38935
There are other examples floating around the web.)

Wesnoth portrait art would be an example where this enhancement could be used.


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