[Goanet-news]06 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 06 Sep 2003 12 MORE JAUNDICE CASES: Twelve more cases of viral jaundice were reported to the health department yesterday (6 September) even as the total number of such patients reached 375. During the last five days, 63 more cases were reported to the GMC. (GT) 10 CITY RESTAURANTS MAY DOWN SHUTTERS: Ten restaurants in Panjim, may soon have to down their shutters owing to the discontinuation of water supply from all sources including PWD tankers. The Health Department directed private tankers to stop supplying water to hotels and eating houses after a report disclosed that water being extracted from wells by private tankers in Panjim is unfit for human consumption. (H) QUALITY PRIMARY EDUCATION ON THE CARDS: The government will shortly bring about qualitative changes in imparting primary education to students in the state, said Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar. Addressing teachers on the occasion of teacher's Day yesterday, Parrikar urged them to teach students to respect the dignity of labour. The Chief Minister felicitated teachers Kalidas Umarye of Government Primary School, Bicholim, Polly Rodrigues of Government Middle School, Cortalim, Tomazinho Cardozo, headmaster of St Joseph High School, Arpora, Prasad Sawant, assistant teacher of Shri Mahalaxmi English High School, Talaulim, and Baban Pandit of PV Sarojini Kushe Higher Secondary School, Assagao. The state award comprised cash of Rs.5,000 and a certificate. (GT) VERNA BY-PASS A DEATH TRAP: Hundred accidents in 20 months and 5 days would seem strange. And, even more strange is the fact that the accidents occurred at a stretch of a by-pass, built to curb the high accident rate. This is the tale of the Verna by-pass, which has attained notoriety for accidents since it was opened for traffic around two years ago. (H) TENT DEALERS FLEECED IN GOA: Mohan Seth, chairman of All India Tent Dealers Welfare Organisation, said he was leaving Goa with bitter memories. The dealers were fleeced by tourist taxi drivers. Seth told Gomantak Times that though they have poured Rs.20 lakh in Goa during the last three days. They had to shell out another Rs.2 lakh on hiring tourist taxis. (GT) TRADERS BATTLE AS CONSUMERS RATTLE: Consumers in and around Margao are quietly suffering while the feud between Gandhi market traders in the city and Belgaum transporters rages on over some registered trucks from Goa being shown the door in the neighbouring state's district. (GT) BENAULIM VP NO-TRUST VOTE: Churchill-backed Benaulim sarpanch Carmelina Fernandes and her deputy, Trevor Pinto, on Friday survived the no-trust motion as neither the ruling nor the Opposition members turned up for the special meeting fixed at 3.30 pm. (H) WATERY WOES: When it rains in Durgavadi, the occupants of some buildings constructed by the Goa Housing Board feel it more. The water seeps down the walls into their flats. Neglect in maintenance due to various factors and allegedly poor quality of construction has made life miserable for the residents in Taleigao. (GT) GIRL FALLS IN WELL, DIES: A nine-year-old girl from Malim, Basira Parimpid, who had gone to a well in the locality (Porvorim), died after she lost her balance and plunged into the well. (H) CUNCOLIM YOUTH COMMITS SUICIDE: One person committed suicide on September 5 evening in a pond at Masakni near Cuncolim. The police inspector of Cuncolim disclosed the deceased's name as Rama Shalke (25) of Balli. (NT) SC ADMITS PLEA AGAINST MANDREKAR, ARLEKAR: The Supreme Court has admitted an election writ petition filed by the Nationalist Congress Party seeking the disqualification of BJP legislators Dayanand Mandrekar and Rajendra Arlekar, according to party spokesman Surendra Furtado. (GT) INCONVENIENCE DUE TO GMC CANTEEN CLOSURE: The closure of canteens in the GMC complex at Bambolim for lack of sanitary conditions, is causing much inconvenience to the patients, their relatives and the staff of the hospital as well. (H) CLEANLINESS AT MAPUSA BUS STAND: Reacting to press reports regarding the dirty condition of the Mapusa Kadamba bus stand, the Kadamba transport Corporation has in a press note stated that the Mapusa Municipal Council has to take necessary action in the matter. (NT) MERCES CONSUMER FORUM: The Merces Civic and Consumer Forum will hold on 7 September, its monthly general meeting of consumers at 4.00 at the Our Lady of Merces High School. Among the issues to be discussed are jaundice prevention campaign by the Primary Health Centre, follow up of gram Sabha resolutions, price surcharge on Goa Dairy milk packets, etc. (GT) PANTHER'S PRESENCE IN TUYEM: The presence of a panther at Murmuse-Tyem (Pernem, and the Tuyem ITI, for the past four days, has concerned residents in the area. The panther had reportedly killed some cows and dogs. (H) CLOUD SEEDING IN BELGAUM: Cloud seeding for the artificial harvest of rains has gathered momentum in Belgaum district. The scheme, Project Varun, which is
Re: [Goanet]India' Shame? Or Portugal's Guilt? Or Anything Else.
Hello my Goan Brothers Sisters, Finally,we can all express satisfaction that out there in the wilderness,after all the indiscriminate villification that those of us on the net, (also subscribing to Goanet have been patiently bearing)there are also voices and minds like those of Lila that come as voices of reason. Let's Praise God for that! Can we,all of us ,me included who post on Goanet agree to stop carrying and even washing our dirty linen on the net,if we can not forgive our fellowmen ,let us atleast not use this forum to further our hatred and our evil desires to take revenge in private or full public view. Can we agree not to get personal and not to use Goanet as a forum to express our unforgiveness. May the Almighty God fill us all up with his Grace even when we are on the net. May we receive the strength and the fortitude to reject our secret desires of evil which lead us to vengeance. Peace be with us all! On The Internet! Auspicio F.M.Rodrigues - Original Message - From: Liladhar R.Pendse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: [Goanet]India' Shame? Or Portugal's Guilt? Or Anything Else. Dear Goanet Readers: I have been member of Goanet for over a week, and I do see a trend that leads me to ask following question: Why are we as Goans bashing Portugal, instead of accepting the historical facts without living in past? Portugal , yes it was a colonial power and yes , India invaded Goa in 1961 and did not give a choice to Goans. Were Goans asked if they want to join the Indian Union , were actual plebiscite done? India like any modern state exhibits double standards. I see these double standards in daily dealings with India's minority dealings. Muslims and Catholics are often marginalized. Where is the secularism of India when it comes to Ayodhya Babri Masjid issue. Well, the Archaelolgical Survey of India can not tell in certaintly if actual temple existed. Now back to Goa, I think we as Goans must stand united in order to preserve our language, culture and religions. Indians from other parts of country are rampantly settling in Goa, buying our land. Where is the united voice needed for the preservation of our cultural heritage and historical identity. Why people are bashing Portuguese for their Evangelism? Jesuits as a matter of fact our codifyed the konkani language, if not for them who knows? We would have been speaking sister language of Marathi? Yes, there were forced conversions...and yes there was a willing acceptance. Hinduism as we claim to be original religion with all its bigotry and castes was also brought by Aryans with their Vedas. So what right we have to bash Portuguese? Please be united in our cause of helping Goa and its plight. Yes, Goa was handed on plate by Portugal in 1974. Yes, Portuguese like Vassalo e Silva protected Panaji from its doom, while suffering in Salazar's Prision. Was he awarded any Presidential award by India? One must do the reality check, before bashing Portugal. I am not Portuguese, and I am not Catholic. I am Hindu and I am ashamed of Hindu bigots using religion to advance their own material purposes in todays so called Secular India. Rui Collacao please continue to express your feelings about the issue of Indianization of Goa...This is a charm of democracy. Please never stop expressing your opinions on this forum. You see that I am amazed by the fact that Goans bash Goans.Well that is called multiplicity of opinions. Only one request, please do not attack person, but tackle the issue... Namaste, Kind Regards, Liladhar Pendse USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Brendon DeSouza Memorial Mass
Details for Brendon's Memorial Mass. Date: September 13th, 2003 Location: St.John of the Cross, 6890 Glen Erin Drive, Miss. Time: 5:00 pm mass Reception to follow in the church hall. Message from Judy DeSouza Posted by JJD'S ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Slaughter on the Roads
This slaughter will continue, until of course some politician or lawmaker looses a loved one. Then only will the offenders be persecuted. What will not change in your lifetime and mine is the value our fearless leaders place on out lives. Noel Almeida - Original Message - From: Tony Correia-Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: [Goanet]Slaughter on the Roads The slaughter of the innocent on Goa's roads by maniacal vehicle drivers continues. A couple of days ago a young ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]BRIEfnCOUNTERS: Stories from Assagao, Salvador-do-Mundo, Ponchivaddy...
BRIEfnCOUNTERS: Stories from Assagao, Salvador-do-Mundo, Ponchivaddy... - FOR A CHANGE, last night, one was really in a mood to read out bedtime stories to my five-year-old. In advance, one warned her that there were enough stories coming up to surely tire her out. She was game, and the festive school holidays for Ganesh allowed it; till her mum reminded all that Riza had been getting insufficient sleep over the past few days. Anne de Braganca Cunha's *Goan Whoopee: Goan Tales For Children* was responsible, of course, for just one night of sleeping late. After picking it up from Mapusa on Friday, one wanted to kill two birds in one stone -- give a child a dose of Goan stories (even in these Internet-savvy days, so few are actually available), and also check out a book for a possible brief review. Of course, we stopped exactly half-way through the 80-page book, which terms itself a charming collection of fascinating tales, adopted from ancient folklore and retold with a modern touch. From the author's writing, it becomes clear that she's an expat Goan (when my world was very new, Goa meant summer holidays, frolicking on the golden sands and surf-trimmed waves) and that she comes from an affluent Catholic background (then I was married and inherited this 350 year old fairy-tale mansion lit with shimmering chandeliers, dark carved furniture and pictures of stern faced ancestors on the walls). Her experience probably parallels that of others of the old world Goa, the Goa that some still hanker for, even if its feudal times are fast changing: I met people too. From my family retainers, ancient aunts, and landed gentry, and field workers to the children from the local school. They made me proud to be a Goan. They taught me about Goan culture and customs, parted with cherished recipes, treated me to songs that were haunting and rhythmic. and more than anything else, they told me stories that had been handed down generations by word of mouth. Her stories are indeed interesting. And, with what a twist... This one is sure to cause bewilderment for those struck by Lusostalgia among us: A poor couple lacks a child, has their prayers heard by God Parasurama. He flings an arrow, which lands into the sea near the fertile Konkan. The arrow reaches the belly of the woman, and the child born is called Govapuri. In short, the young girl grows up spritely and slim, rejects many suitors, till she falls for the Portuguese prince Adil Shah. (He sang a beautiful 'fado' that brought tears into Govapuri's eyes and they turned into glistening pearls.) Then, the travails of married life. The prince makes Govapuri change her name to Giovanna and she wore frilly gowns and curled her hair and spoke only Portuguese and she roughed her cheeks and outlined her eyes, powered her face and painted her lips, which could laugh no more. Bharat comes, along the way, to the rescue. But freeing the damsel is no easy task. Politically-correct for some; at least some of the strident voices on the Goa might consider this a book fit for a public burning ;-) Surprise, surprise. This actually read like a fairy tale, and ended like one. My five-year-old was actually enjoying it. (One day, it might help her to understand the politics on Goanet... even if it's going to probably leave her very confused when she has to start learning the history of Goa -- rather, the different version of it!) Myth, history, caste, politics... all rolled into one, and done quite entertainingly, one might say. The other three fairy-tales we read that night were less 'heavy duty'. A rich lady from Assagao who mistakenenly poisons her son to avoid him moving about with the poor beggar's daughter A mango tree who saves a girl from a tiger while her job-seeking brother goes from Salvador do Mundo to Mapusa to desperately seek some work... And the usual inter-village boundary dispute (this time, with Macasana being fought over between Chandor and Curtorim), and how the gods cursed 'Ponchivaddy' for it, leading it to be a barren hillock in the locality. These stories echo the Goa one recalls. Not a place of the good-old-days which some on the Net harken to, but a place of poverty (we easily forget how difficult money was to come by, for most here, just a generation ago), hierarchy, intrigue, and fear. Still waiting though to encounter that compulsory ghost in the book... but having done with this review, wonder if the five-year-old is going to retain her enthusiastic storyteller! The author writes nimbly. She has published a great deal. Besides a children's page for the once popular Eve's Weekly Braganca
[Goanet]Slaughter on the Roads
The slaughter of the innocent on Goa's roads by maniacal vehicle drivers continues. A couple of days ago a young couple and their nine-year old daughter were killed and six-year old son seriously injured when a Kadamba Bus trying to overtake another vehicle rammed head-on into their Maruti car in broad daylight on the Verna Bypass. Apologists like to blame Goa's narrow roads for the current state of affairs, but this accident (like many others) occurred on a four-lane broad national highway! What is most disturbing is that, as in a large number of such cases, it was caused by a driver of a Government-run Kadamba Transport Corporation. What an apalling example being set by a State-run institution! As reported in the press, enquiries into another recent such accident revealed the astonishing fact that the driving licences of drivers involved in fatal accidents were not even being suspended because of lack of co-ordination and communication between the Police and the Transport Department authorities! What is more, it was found that in many cases such drivers were found to have been involved in more than one fatal accident. If a beginning is to be made to set things right, the Government must start by cleaning up its own act as far as the Police, Transport Department and Kadamba Transport Corporation are concerned. The following action should be taken whenever a KTC driver is involved in a fatal accident:- 1) He as well as his driving licence should be suspended pending further action. 2) He should be prosecuted through due legal process. 3) Those involved in his recruitment and training as well as issue of his driving licence should be held accountable. ---Tony Correia-Afonso. == From: A.Correia-Afonso. Address: 542 Pulvaddo, Benaulim, Goa 403716, India. 'Phone: 91-832-2772063 Fax: 91-832-2772062 (prior intimation) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]BRIEfnCOUNTERS: Stories from Assagao, Salvador-do-Mundo, Ponchivaddy...
BRIEfnCOUNTERS: Stories from Assagao, Salvador-do-Mundo, Ponchivaddy... - FOR A CHANGE, last night, one was really in a mood to read out bedtime stories to my five-year-old. In advance, one warned her that there were enough stories coming up to surely tire her out. She was game, and the festive school holidays for Ganesh allowed it; till her mum reminded all that Riza had been getting insufficient sleep over the past few days. Anne de Braganca Cunha's *Goan Whoopee: Goan Tales For Children* was responsible, of course, for just one night of sleeping late. After picking it up from Mapusa on Friday, one wanted to kill two birds in one stone -- give a child a dose of Goan stories (even in these Internet-savvy days, so few are actually available), and also check out a book for a possible brief review. Of course, we stopped exactly half-way through the 80-page book, which terms itself a charming collection of fascinating tales, adopted from ancient folklore and retold with a modern touch. From the author's writing, it becomes clear that she's an expat Goan (when my world was very new, Goa meant summer holidays, frolicking on the golden sands and surf-trimmed waves) and that she comes from an affluent Catholic background (then I was married and inherited this 350 year old fairy-tale mansion lit with shimmering chandeliers, dark carved furniture and pictures of stern faced ancestors on the walls). Her experience probably parallels that of others of the old world Goa, the Goa that some still hanker for, even if its feudal times are fast changing: I met people too. From my family retainers, ancient aunts, and landed gentry, and field workers to the children from the local school. They made me proud to be a Goan. They taught me about Goan culture and customs, parted with cherished recipes, treated me to songs that were haunting and rhythmic. and more than anything else, they told me stories that had been handed down generations by word of mouth. Her stories are indeed interesting. And, with what a twist... This one is sure to cause bewilderment for those struck by Lusostalgia among us: A poor couple lacks a child, has their prayers heard by God Parasurama. He flings an arrow, which lands into the sea near the fertile Konkan. The arrow reaches the belly of the woman, and the child born is called Govapuri. In short, the young girl grows up spritely and slim, rejects many suitors, till she falls for the Portuguese prince Adil Shah. (He sang a beautiful 'fado' that brought tears into Govapuri's eyes and they turned into glistening pearls.) Then, the travails of married life. The prince makes Govapuri change her name to Giovanna and she wore frilly gowns and curled her hair and spoke only Portuguese and she roughed her cheeks and outlined her eyes, powered her face and painted her lips, which could laugh no more. Bharat comes, along the way, to the rescue. But freeing the damsel is no easy task. Politically-correct for some; at least some of the strident voices on the Goa might consider this a book fit for a public burning ;-) Surprise, surprise. This actually read like a fairy tale, and ended like one. My five-year-old was actually enjoying it. (One day, it might help her to understand the politics on Goanet... even if it's going to probably leave her very confused when she has to start learning the history of Goa -- rather, the different version of it!) Myth, history, caste, politics... all rolled into one, and done quite entertainingly, one might say. The other three fairy-tales we read that night were less 'heavy duty'. A rich lady from Assagao who mistakenenly poisons her son to avoid him moving about with the poor beggar's daughter A mango tree who saves a girl from a tiger while her job-seeking brother goes from Salvador do Mundo to Mapusa to desperately seek some work... And the usual inter-village boundary dispute (this time, with Macasana being fought over between Chandor and Curtorim), and how the gods cursed 'Ponchivaddy' for it, leading it to be a barren hillock in the locality. These stories echo the Goa one recalls. Not a place of the good-old-days which some on the Net harken to, but a place of poverty (we easily forget how difficult money was to come by, for most here, just a generation ago), hierarchy, intrigue, and fear. Still waiting though to encounter that compulsory ghost in the book... but having done with this review, wonder if the five-year-old is going to retain her enthusiastic storyteller! The author writes nimbly. She has published a great deal. Besides a children's page for the once popular Eve's Weekly Braganca
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[Goanet]Singapore
Hi GoaNettes, I will be in Singapore from 7 September 2003. If any GoaNetter in Singapore would like to meet up, please drop me an email. Eustaquio ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa's Catholics under threat?
I found Mr. Ahmed's article in BBC interesting, but I felt it could have been a little more concrete as to the alleged threat to the Catholic community. I also recently came across some interesting stats on composition of Goa cabinets from 1967 on http://www.goagovt.nic.in/ It is interesting to note that the representation on Catholics in the cabinet is at levels last seen in the early to mid1970's. I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enought to make the allegation alleging that this is intentional marginalization however. Not that being represented in the cabinet necessarily equates wielding power, but one could argue that elected representatives would in principal look after their own constituents first. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3201361.stm Goa's Catholics under threat? sincerely, Daryl ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]What the India Today ranking of Goa missed
At a time when Goa's social indicators vis a vis India and Portugal are being furiously debated, it might be timely to point out that India's best state to live in is in fact, not likely to hold that distinction for long. Here are some interesting statistics (from the 2001 India census) that show that Goa is far from #1 in many respects. The percentages of people in Goa with access to basic services such as sanitation, cooking fuel and drinking water ranges from 30% to 70% behind states like Kerala, Punjab and Himachal. Whether or not Goa was ahead in 1961 is now irrelevant ..what matters is if it will remain one of the better plaes to live in, or if it will regress. It will be interesting to see if next year Goa remains #1. I'm putting my money on Kerala. Literacy: #3 behind Kerala, Mizoram Households living in permanent type of houses#7 behind Uttranchal, Punjab Households with source of drinking water within premises #6 behind Punjab Kerala Households with source of lighting as electricity #5 behind Himachal Households with type of latrine as water closet #11 behind Kerala, Sikkim,Gujrat Households using Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG) as fuel for cooking #3 Households having telephone #4 Households having television #4 behind Punjab According to the 2001 India census, Goa also seems to have acquired some of the not so desirable qualities of big city living - slums!! According to the census there are 14529 people living in slums in Panjim and Margao. I could scarcely believe this number, so I looked up the definition of slum, and here it is - All specified areas notified as 'Slum' by State/Local Government and UT Administration under any Act; All areas recognized as 'Slum' by State/Local Government and UT Administration which may have not been formally notified as slum under any Act; A compact area of at least 300 population or about 60-70 households of poorly built congested tenements, in unhygienic environment usually with inadequate infrastructure and lacking in proper sanitary and drinking water facilities. While this is still a far cry from Mumbai where almost 1 in 2 people is a slum dweller, slums didn't exist in Goa a few years ago, and with the rapidly increasing urban population (already 55%), the situation will probably get worse before it gets better. Daryl ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goans of Tanzania
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[Goanet]India' Shame? Or Portugal's Guilt? Or Anything Else.
Dear Goanet Readers: I have been member of Goanet for over a week, and I do see a trend that leads me to ask following question: Why are we as Goans bashing Portugal, instead of accepting the historical facts without living in past? Portugal , yes it was a colonial power and yes , India invaded Goa in 1961 and did not give a choice to Goans. Were Goans asked if they want to join the Indian Union , were actual plebiscite done? India like any modern state exhibits double standards. I see these double standards in daily dealings with India's minority dealings. Muslims and Catholics are often marginalized. Where is the secularism of India when it comes to Ayodhya Babri Masjid issue. Well, the Archaelolgical Survey of India can not tell in certaintly if actual temple existed. Now back to Goa, I think we as Goans must stand united in order to preserve our language, culture and religions. Indians from other parts of country are rampantly settling in Goa, buying our land. Where is the united voice needed for the preservation of our cultural heritage and historical identity. Why people are bashing Portuguese for their Evangelism? Jesuits as a matter of fact our codifyed the konkani language, if not for them who knows? We would have been speaking sister language of Marathi? Yes, there were forced conversions...and yes there was a willing acceptance. Hinduism as we claim to be original religion with all its bigotry and castes was also brought by Aryans with their Vedas. So what right we have to bash Portuguese? Please be united in our cause of helping Goa and its plight. Yes, Goa was handed on plate by Portugal in 1974. Yes, Portuguese like Vassalo e Silva protected Panaji from its doom, while suffering in Salazar's Prision. Was he awarded any Presidential award by India? One must do the reality check, before bashing Portugal. I am not Portuguese, and I am not Catholic. I am Hindu and I am ashamed of Hindu bigots using religion to advance their own material purposes in todays so called Secular India. Rui Collacao please continue to express your feelings about the issue of Indianization of Goa...This is a charm of democracy. Please never stop expressing your opinions on this forum. You see that I am amazed by the fact that Goans bash Goans.Well that is called multiplicity of opinions. Only one request, please do not attack person, but tackle the issue... Namaste, Kind Regards, Liladhar Pendse USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]India's shame !!!!
Lets not forget the case of Manipur: http://www.manipuronline.com/Opinions/September2002/annexation26_1.htm The above article says it all. What a wonderful democracy. Indeed, and the largest in the world! What a wonderful country. It says it all, doesn't it??? Best regards, Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: sexta-feira, 5 de Setembro de 2003 5:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators I must add to the above the case of the Nizam of Hyderabad who chose to seccede from the Indian Union or to remain independant. He was served an ultimatum and invaded by the Indian Army. Valhabhai Patel was behind this move and Nehru encouraged the take over. Today, Hyderabad is divided and the Nizam is a nontity. India's politics have been duplicitious. Nehru spoke and endorsed panchasilla, one of whose tenets were to respect Goa's teritorial integrity. Nehru was two faced. The incident that led to India invading Goa was created by India. India does not permit people from other states to buy land in Kashmir and in disputed Assamese areas but in Goa, its free for all. Goans are being duped and defrauded of their land and they deserve this. Like Bandra and Santa Cruz in Mumbai, Goans will be outsiders in Goa. Mark my word. As per the above, Miguel distorts the postings by others to justify falsehoods. It is a pity that he only has one PHd and not more. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Dear Mr.Rui Manuel Collaço, Thanks for your passionate response about your Mozambique! However, don't simply assume things like 'Mr. Bhatcar, you really do not seem to have much knowledge of the world outside your little Goa.'. You know as little about me, as I know about your background. A humble and straightforward reply to any question or query is more in order rather than an arrogant one. I am not a person that has tried in anyway to slam Portugal for its colonization. Portugal's colonization of Goa is good only for the History books now. My sole intent was to find out whether Portugal did indeed give Goa any preferential treatment compared to its other colonies. Yes, to me Goa is the best place on earth! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mr. Bhatcar, you really do not seem to have much knowledge of the world outside your little Goa. But you should not talk about what ). By the present state of affairs in those countries you cannot judge how they were in the past! Rui Manuel Collaço Lisbon _ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colaco-Dias, Paulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - How can a Goan not be an Indian national? A Goan need not be an Indian national. But a person of Goan origin is with very few exceptions a person of Indian origin. A colleague of mine is conducting a massive molecular genetic study on all ethnic groups in India, including Goa. We would love to have samples of blood from Goans who believe they are entirely of modern Western European origin. We can compare their genomic DNA with that of the other communities in India, and determine whether their beliefs about their origins are right or wrong. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re:[Goanet]One Goa being Numero Uno
Excellent subject! there was another excellent article on career options by Yvonne Vaz. this is the stuff we need to spend our energies on. comments on the engineering aspects alone: as you point out, we should never focus on a few educational institutions such as the IIT or IISc. they can affect only the lives of a few. we must focus on the average persons needs. engineering needs talented people for critical ideas. It also needs many more people who work in a team to execute the goals, these people need not be as brilliant. hard work and team work are key. the reason for business outsourcing to india is: a big bang for the buck. the scope is enormous even for the average person. get self organized. act! I can overlook the garbage, potholes in the road, corruption, water quality etc. but not the economy. lack of skilled people implies employers will not come to goa in large numbers. In turn people will emigrate in search of a living and this results in a weakening of goan society. what we need is economic development in-situ. by building a pool of manpower in a few selected fields, we can attract employers to goa. agnelo original message: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-September/004817.html Message: 10 Date: 5 Sep 2003 09:58:02 - From: Brian Antao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]One Goa being Numero Uno Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] About Goa being India=92s Number ONE __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
--- Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goa, by comparison, was a backwater (and still is). When I first visited Bombay and Goa, in 1978, I could hardly believe in what my eyes saw. Goa and the rest of India were the real thirld world, compared to Mozambique. Having been born in Beira, Mozambique's second largest city, Goa appeared to me as an appaling place (except for its natural beauty). By the present state of affairs in those countries you cannot judge how they were in the past! So in other words, to answer my own question, your comparison is based on your personal observation, bias and circumstances rather than any scientific study that you may have conducted. Thanks for letting us know. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa Day was celebrated in Houston, Texas, on Saturday, August 23
000 Thanks to the support and encouragement from Rene Baretto and the worldwide Goan and non-Goan community, the TIPCA community from Houston, Texas was treated to a taste of the Goan Fiesta. 000 Thanks to the support and encouragement from Rene Baretto and the worldwide Goan and non-Goan community, the TIPCA community from Houston, Texas was treated to a taste of the Goan Fiesta. Goa Day was celebrated in Houston, Texas, on Saturday, August 23 at St. Laurence's Parish Hall, Sugarland, with great fervor and enthusiasm - a first by TIPCA (The Texas India-Pakistan Christian Assocation) the sponsors of the event. This being the 4th such annual event celebrated worldwide. The Goan stalwart and founder of Goa Day, Mr. Rene Barreto in his message on Goa Day from London to Houston Goans, said On Goa Day this year, thousands of Goans world-wide will join in solidarity and will once again remind themselves of the need to work together to preserve our Goan culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for our children, for posterity and also for the non-Goan community The well attended evening of almost 300 people, also included Goans represented by Dr. Santosh Helekar, interspersed with goan folk songs, dances, duets and resounded with the famous Goan Masala. The program commenced with a welcome speech by the TIPCA President Mr. Michael Lobo, followed by a video presentation of last years Goa Convention held by Dr. Helekar and his Goan associates at the Hilton Hotel in Houston. The podium was then handed over to one of our senior Goan Houstonian, Luiza Fernandes, to shed light on Goa and its culture. Two youngsters, Nancy (on the keyboard) and Rachel Shenoi gave a solemn rendering of Morning has broken which was followed by a nostalgic solo Bestench Raagan Chavonn and a duet Hio Moga from the renowned Frank movie Amche Noxibb by Victor and Aleena Rodrigues. Their daughter Amora joined in to lend an additional flavor of Goa by singing Don Calzam from the same movie. During the dinner break James with his sister Michelle D'souza and Selwyn DaCosta belted out some good old oldies from the sixties, seventies and eighties. It wasn't long before the eagerly awaited taste of Goan cuisine was laid out on the table. There was such authentic fare like Sorpotel,Sausages, Xacuti, Sannas, Pork Vindaloo, Ambot Tik and ofcourse the dessert was topped with the the most sought after Bebbienca. The post lunch spectacle saw the boat crew and dancing girls treat the eager audience to the ever popular Dakhni song and dance, which was executed to a rapt attention and resounding applause from the audience, as the performers danced and faded away. This was followed by the popular Goan dance 'Manddo' trailed by the foot stomping Goan Masala which had the entire house in an uproar and dancing and everyone participated with full vigor and gusto. The dance sequences were ably directed by Terence D'Souza on the guitar assisted by Selwyn da Costa on the keyboard. It was such a delight to see everyone jubilant and in joyous spirits. Reynold D'Souza, did a great job as the Emcee, by timing the various events to perfection and adding humor to his announcements. The Soares clan came to the stage to invoke God's blessings on the gathering for making Goa Day a great success with their participation in various ways and also by singing the Bessao with a soaring Viva Goa. The nostalgic Goan evening was drawn to a close with everyone joining in to sing God Bless America and scout Matthew Mussenden proudly holding the American flag. All this was made possible by the persevering efforts of Senor Ligorio Soares and his family, ably assisted by Mrs Cressy her son Selwyn DaCosta, Victor Rodrigues, Terrence his son James D'souza and also by the persisting and continued support of a host of TIPCA members. WE HAVE POSTED SOME PICTURES OF THE OCCASION ON OUR WEBSITE AT: www.tipca.com Cheer up and have a great day ! Victor Rodrigues at St. Laurence's Parish Hall, Sugarland, with great fervor and enthusiasm - a first by TIPCA (The Texas India-Pakistan Christian Assocation) the sponsors of the event. This being the 4th such annual event celebrated worldwide. The Goan stalwart and founder of Goa Day, Mr. Rene Barreto in his message on Goa Day from London to Houston Goans, said On Goa Day this year, thousands of Goans world-wide will join in solidarity and will once again remind themselves of the need to work together to preserve our Goan culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for our children, for posterity and also for the non-Goan community The well attended evening
[Goanet]BS on Goanet
I will attack one snake at a time. I admire the tenacity of Bernardo and Rui and even though I donot agree with them, I defend their right to deflect the insults and barbs they undergo especially the insults of our pundit or wise PHd. Some strutt along the cybernet catwalk wiggling their behinds and while doing so, throw bits of their egotistic mindset. I do not need toknow someone whois instructed and possesses a PHd but someone who is educated,knows how todiscourse especially with his fellowmen and have the capacity of swaying the mind of his adversary. But this gentleman pontificates (because he has a PHd) and because he has a flower seller in Goa and a beer drinker in the UK to back him up even though he contorts the postings of goanetters. Kindly fellow Goans observe him carefully. I would like to knowif he dreams in colour. He suggests that Goans do what he has done. Return to suffer in a hell hole.I like many Goans like Coisorro who lives in Portugal with a Portuguese wife close to Cascais feels that he cannot live in a country where: 1:Children prostitute themselves in Baina 2: Where cows are found dead from eating plastic and are left dead by the roadside for days before being removed. 3: Where rape of children is not dealt with severely. 4: Where poroperty rights of Goans is not respected. So much litigation to recover ones defrauded assets. Even a tree belongs to everyone. 4: Where Ali Baba and 40 thieves rule theroost. 5: Where crime and corruption are rampant. 6: Where an Indian passport is not worth thepaper it is written on. 7: Where the driving habits and rule of law aretotally ignored. 8:Where the resolution of a simple crime takes infinity and whose judiciary iscorrupt and incompetent. I have travelled the world and am practical. I found Portugal a very nice place to live in and Cascais the best place in Portugal. Food is good, the people friendlier though they do not possess PHds and what can I say about the weather. The Brits colonised many places and though I have lived there, I can inform that beer drinker that I'd rather bein hell than in Britain. And now to you Pundit PHd. Please deal with my posting lineby line and do not quoteme out of context as is your habit. When you have stopped your pontification I willtackle the other snake. You do not have a licence to insult others. You are vulnerable Brutus for like Achilles you have a heel. Andyou were dipped into the river Styx but in the Mandovi whose waters in Mapusa are polluted. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Senhor Colaco, Think and say what you like, but your present reply is in no way relevant to my original query! I have nothing against Portugal, nothing against any religion. Your adding the religion to my question about Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies, is totally out of context. Let us just leave it at that! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:55:19 +0100 (BST) Prezado Sri Naguexa, At least and until I am alive I shall defend the truth. When Afonso came to Goa in the 16th cent. he considered us to be intellectuals. Today the bharat think the Goan especially Catholic is a pile of crap. There is one Bhatnagar who has written on the negative influences of the Catholic Goans on indian culture. The book details was published on the famous Goacom, but has now been withdrawn from the list. Good luck Colaco --- Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Senhor Bernardo Colaco, What is the problem with you? Why do you take anything said about Portugal, personally? Goa and Portugal will be here long after you and I are gone from the face of this earth! _ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]WORLD GOA DAY_HOUSTON_USA
WORLD GOA DAY_HOUSTON 2003 00 WE HAVE POSTED SOME PICTURES OF THE OCCASION . WORLD GOA DAY_HOUSTON_USA ON OUR WEBSITE : (Click Here www.tipca.com August 23rd GOA DAY PICS VICTOR RODRIGUES ORGANISORS WORLD GOA DAY_HOUSTON. USA OOO ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Beating a Dead Horse!
As I have said many times before, honest and sincere criticism is a good thing, as long as basic decency is maintained. Even flogging a dead horse is good, once in a while, if it helps us vent our feelings. The trouble is that one often gets the feeling that at the root of most pro-Portugal/anti-Portugal and pro-India/anti-India debates there exist those bad old prejudices, namely that Western people are better than Indians or vice versa, Christianity is better than Hinduism or vice versa, Goans are better than people of other Indian states, etc. I hope at the very least all debaters of the issue in question agree that forceful colonialization of the people of another land was and still is a bad thing. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
Passport is ONLY a travel document. People with more than one passport have a choice to use an appropriate passport depending upon where they travel and the purpose of their travel. IMHO, most people do not carry their passport to show their patriotism. When Kuwait was invaded, British Asians burnt their British passport and acquired Indian passport (probably by speaking Indian language) just to get out of Kuwait / Iraq / Jordan etc. Without doubt, most Goans acquire Portuguese passport just to enter EEC countries and NOT because they love Portugal more than Goa. Cip -Original Message- Colaco-Dias, Paulo, Sent: 04 September 2003 12:59 Subject: RE: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators Tim, I am afraid keeping silent and agreeing with Miguel is not enough. According to Miguel's last post, he wants you and everybody else to go back to Goa, surrender your foreign passports and fight for the future of Goa like a true Goan. So I guess you must still be in agreement and I guess you will be soon leaving Toronto to join Miguel in the Goa's downgrading process of true JAI HIND! -Original Message- From: Tim de Mello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: quarta-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2003 Miguel: Just so you know - I fully support what you say. Just because we, the silent majority do not actively contribute to this debate, does not mean we do not have a point of view. We just do not have the same stamina as the Xacs and Ruis of this world. I just wish they could do something more productive with all that energy! Tim de Mello CANADA ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!
Fred, It is not a question of discrimination by the world economy. The fact is that the average indian worker is relatively unproductive, or stated in other words, does not have the skill set (ie. education) that the world economy demands. Whose fault is this? India's and no one elses. Also, the sweeping statement that people in the west work less hours is probably not really valid and definately does not apply to the US, whose population endures the longest working hours among the major industrialized countries. The latest stats indicate Norway has the most productive workforce on a per hour basis. The US leads the world in total output per worker due to its longer worker hours. Unfortunately, much of what the US worker earns is now indirectly getting sucked into funding one of the biggest ramp up in government expenditures thanks to George Bush's phony war on terrorism. In the end someone has to pay for it. If he does not increase taxes now, he may well have to do it after his next erection, oops, I meant, election. Marlon --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Eddie Fernandes wrote: to the UK. Travel broadens the mind and many of us would like to see greater movement of peoples to ease nationalistic tensions. Multiculturalism is here to stay in the UK. If only people in Goa could be as broadminded and less bigoted! Eddie Fernandes They would. When the global economy doesn't discriminate against them so badly, and allows them to have as many holidays and travel abroad as their G7 and other counterparts from the affluent world (including Goans settled overseas). FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Dispossession of Immovable properties
SGPIAG/2003-04/09 06.09.2003 To, Chief Secretary, Govt. of Goa Secretariat Panaji - GOA *** This refers to the points raised at the NRI Facilitation Centre meet held on 14.8.2003 at EDC Conference Office wherein it was stated that : NRI - Goans complain that their land/houses are either encroached upon/tresspassed illegally occupied and that the unauthorised occupants have even succeeded in getting the property transferred,vide Agreement of Sale and Deed of Conveyance which are more often merely NOTORISED and in some cases even documents that have been registered in the Office of the Sub-Registrar or in the Survey Department suffer deficiency. (It may be noted that unlike the Portuguese law on notorising documents the Indian law is merely attestation without ascertaining the veracity of the parties or the object of consideration. One can easily NOTORISE the Sale of any government building and no questions will be asked as to the titles of the seller) Further the entries on the Record of Rights and mutation have been effected by these persons and there are inumerable disputed cases which are never disposed off though they have changed hands several times. All this is apparently either because of a loop-hole in the law or because these government officials in the Revenue department are aware that the onus of proving the adverse possession lies in the landowner and only a long drawn litigation from subordinate court to the Apex Court can redress this grievance but eventually demoralises the NRI who end up in frustration and abandon these lands. They further state and rightly so that while the Portuguese laws in such matters were full proof; it is only after the introduction of the Transfer of Property Act 1952 in Goa in November 1964 and thereafter with the Cadastral Survey in 1972 that there was a lax in the rules with full political patronage. Some of the elceted representatives past and present are themselves beneficiaries of these loopholes. The Mundcar Act and the Land to the Tiller Act would not bring such pathological animosity as it exists today as seen from the piling of long drawn cases and costly litigation between the landowner and the tiller or the mundcar if the Land ceiling Act was enacted. Another complaint is that the persons appointed as Surveyors or Talathis, Mamlatdars are non goans etc who were either surplus staff or not conversant with the Portuguese land revenue reforms and this has created avoidable problems Today it is seen that mutation or entries in the Record of Rights are done arbitarily sometimes the supporting documents are not relied upon and most cases are completed in absentia. A mere public notice will suffice as deemed notice irrespective of whether the owner is in India or abroad. Even the Nil Certificate of Encumberance insisted upon since 1/11/1964 till the date of mortgage or conveyance has no meaning because in the absence of the history of transactions being recorded in the Land Register the veracity of the Certificate could be relied upon till the last entry on these books. Several landowners who religiously pay their property tax and continue to do so are shocked to note that the records are not available with the local bodies and one is asked to furnish the last reciept as proof thereof for payment of arrears. Another major flaw is that while the landowner can ascertain his title with documents, merely because of a false entry on the records made by the authorities at the behest of the encroacher or tresspaser the landowner has to resort to the litigation to etch out that name which cause mental agony and financial losses. The liberal patronage by successive post Liberation Governments to regularise the illegalities owing to political expediency has further dismayed the landowners as is now being done in the case of illegal constructions since June 2000 on Communidade land which otherwise would not stand the legal test. Further even where houses were entrusted to the caretaker, the rent control act is the only available recourse to evict or after falsifying documents of power water and house tax they claim to be legal owners. Since NRIs families are a dispersed in almost all parts of the world it is difficult to co-ordinate and resort to litigations due to changed citizenships of some of the co-owners. After the gulf boom in the early 70's and more recently with the joint families shrinking into nuclear families fragmentation of land has been rapid and so the vicious circle that has sucked the blood of the NRI Goans. Suggestions: In their considered opinion they feel that if the Land Registration Number Record books are maintained as per pre-Liberation practice much of these problems could be solved. It may be noted that this Register carries the earlier narration on the parties involved, amount of transaction involved in the mortagage records etc The title
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Hi Thomas, sorry, but Goas not the place for spear fishing or scuba diving because the water is quite muddy. Try andaman and nicobar islands, or the Lakswadeep islands, which are great for diving. The sharks off Goa are plentiful, but not close to the coast. You see them about 10 miles from the coast in deeper waters. regards, Gilbert. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear sir/madam I was hoping you might be able to tell me about the spear fishing in Goa. I am planning on going on holiday at Christmas and I love free diving and spear fishing. I have heard there are a lot of sharks in Goa, is this true. Have you heard of people spear fishing there? Obviously being in the water with a flapping fish attracts sharks. I would be so grateful if you could answer my questions. Yours faithfully, Thomas English ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top- posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Prezado Sri Naguexa, At least and until I am alive I shall defend the truth. When Afonso came to Goa in the 16th cent. he considered us to be intellectuals. Today the bharat think the Goan especially Catholic is a pile of crap. There is one Bhatnagar who has written on the negative influences of the Catholic Goans on indian culture. The book details was published on the famous Goacom, but has now been withdrawn from the list. Good luck Colaco --- Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Senhor Bernardo Colaco, What is the problem with you? Why do you take anything said about Portugal, personally? Goa and Portugal will be here long after you and I are gone from the face of this earth! Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Indo-Portuguese art treasures
Do Goanetters have an idea when the treasures from Cabo Palace will be returned to Goa? Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa's social indicators
And what kind of liberation is this when an alien government takes over a territory by force, imposes their law and does not even care for the population's opinion? (ever!). Very good democracy indeed. And of course, almost the same happened in all the other princely states just after 1947. But at least in those states, the respective maharaja's were democratically forced (or shall I say persuaded) to sign the instruments of accession and merger (with perhaps the exception of Kashmir who never signed the instrument of merger). In Goa, we were not even given the choice (before or after 1961). It would have been nice to have been given the choice after 1961. I would have expected at least that from the so called largest democracy of the world. And please, do not try to convince me we were all Indians in Goa anyway and that India existed as a country for a million years so Goa should have been also given back to India. We were all Indians just like the Pakistanis were all Indians! So, why don't we call them Indians too? As for the country we now call the Republic of India, it is nothing else but a post-British period invention with 56 years now. And Goa, was never before a part of it! =20 Lastly, Miguel, in future, please talk for yourself. I cannot remember anyone asking you to represent all of us Goans in this forum. You certainly do not represent me. I respect your opinion but we are all different individuals and certainly have different ideas. Like Rui, I am here to discuss my opinions, not to advice anyone. BTW, will I ever have the pleasure of knowing your surname? Is it Braganca? Or are you too ashamed of your Portuguese surname to mention it? =20 No cheers today! Paulo Colaco Dias === I must add to the above the case of the Nizam of Hyderabad who chose to seccede from the Indian Union or to remain independant. He was served an ultimatum and invaded by the Indian Army. Valhabhai Patel was behind this move and Nehru encouraged the take over. Today, Hyderabad is divided and the Nizam is a nontity. India's politics have been duplicitious. Nehru spoke and endorsed panchasilla, one of whose tenets were to respect Goa's teritorial integrity. Nehru was two faced. The incident that led to India invading Goa was created by India. India does not permit people from other states to buy land in Kashmir and in disputed Assamese areas but in Goa, its free for all. Goans are being duped and defrauded of their land and they deserve this. Like Bandra and Santa Cruz in Mumbai, Goans will be outsiders in Goa. Mark my word. As per the above, Miguel distorts the postings by others to justify falsehoods. It is a pity that he only has one PHd and not more. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Portugal - Goa - India
Bernardo Colaço, focusing on the good things the portuguese seem to have given to Goa remembers white-washed churches, missing the point when the discussion is about development. Tino, This is the copy writing by the bharatis when they place ads about tourism in the foreign media. This is how they solicit European tourists to Goa. Part of the bharati development innit? Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Beating a Dead Horse!
Surely things have improved since 41 years ago but that is in relation to bharati standards. Goans unfortunately have been and are forced to part of a third world country. Kindly note that the horse is not dead! --- Tony Correia-Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like my friend Ben Antao (and I am sure many others on this forum), I have been following with some dismay the ongoing controversy regarding pre-liberation and post-liberation Goa - not so much because what is being said, but because of the mind-set it displays on the part of some participants. Nobody can deny that the vast majority of Goans are far better of today than they were forty-two years ago under Portuguese rule. Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Colonial Fervor or Reality Check for Goa.
Could I know the source of the info on the percentage of Portuguese speakers? 10% seems too high to me. I would also like to know, if possible, how this figure is calculated. Thank you, Rui Collaço Lisbon From: Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Colonial Fervor or Reality Check for Goa. Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:58:21 +0530 Dear Liladhar, Portuguese is taught in schools,higher secondaries and colleges.About 10% of Goans can either speak or understand Portuguese. Those who learn Portuguese in school,do not necessarily learn to speak.Those who speak at home need not necessarily be able to read and write. It is not mutually exclusive,either. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Googled! Portugal - Goa - India
I concur with what Constantino Xavier has written. I also acknowledge that I googled ' shame of Portugal' and came up with article which I put up the link for. I never, ever made any comment - the diatribe that followed showed exactly who the tetchhy person is. The conclusion was drawn even though nowt was said in the way of a statement or commentry. If one revisits what I posted it was merely log on to the site below. The subject matter arrived at was 'Googled'. Just goes to show the attitude and quick on the draw attitude of so called rationale minded Portugues supporters. Simply it was much ado about nothing, quite honestly IMHO this has been the case all along and the people who get worked up defending Coloniolists need to step back and have a good think. People on this site are easily wound up ! May be the right policy would be to let sleeping dogs lie and that is exactly what I intend to do! Does any one seriously think I care a damn about Portugal ? My father had no opinion on the Portuguese or Portugal and neither have I. I have no affiliation to Portugal even my surname is originally derived from a town in spain Menes. Mr. Colaco Rui I don't need your bigotted advice on asking me to go ahead and change my religion ( previous post ) to Hinduism. The way you came out and I am surprised that no one else picked it up you think that we Catholics are be it and end all. You portrayed all the lowest form of Catholic tolerance. As stated by another netter please don't preach and attempt to take the moral high ground - If you profess that you and your kind alone belong to the one true faith, come out and state it instead of uttering semantics. Cheers, Gabe Menezes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
-Original Message- From: Tim de Mello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2003 21:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators Miguel: Just so you know - I fully support what you say. Just because we, the silent majority do not actively contribute to this debate, does not mean we do not have a point of view. We just do not have the same stamina as the Xacs and Ruis of this world. I just wish they could do something more productive with all that energy! Tim de Mello CANADA Tim, I am afraid keeping silent and agreeing with Miguel is not enough. According to Miguel's last post, he wants you and everybody else to go back to Goa, surrender your foreign passports and fight for the future of Goa like a true Goan. So I guess you must still be in agreement and I guess you will be soon leaving Toronto to join Miguel in the Goa's downgrading process of true JAI HIND! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]RE: COLACO
-Original Message- From: Gabe Menezes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2003 20:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]RE: COLACO The British had acceded Hong Kong first, you are being pedantic to even imagine that the Portuguese could have and would have held on to Macau. Your post assumes too much without factual validity. Why are you convinced that the Portuguese wanted to hold on to Macau?? The facts (if you care to learn) are the following: In 1966, rioting flares all over China. Mao started his great proletarian cultural revolution to regain control of the country. The chaos in China spills over into Macau as Red guards plaster the Portuguese territory with violent demonstrations. Portuguese troops fire on rampaging Red guards. Macau's governor, Brigadier Nobre de Carvalho, negotiates from the position of weakness because Portugal cannot come to aid and Macau tiny police force and garrison is helpless. In 1967 Brigadier Nobre de Carvalho suggests that Portugal should return Macau back to China. It was too much pressure for Portugal to keep peace in the territory. Peking, however, declines the offer and pulls back its Red Guards. China claimed it was not prepared to take Macau back. In 1974, following the democratic revolution in Portugal, Macau is again offered back to China. But China declined the offer again claiming it wants to recover Hong Kong first. Portugal decides to rename the province's status to a Chinese territory under Portuguese Administration. And this is the main difference between the British and the Portuguese. While Hong Kong was a British colony till the end and the British probably left very much against their will, Macau was in fact recognized as a Chinese Territory under Portuguese Administration, and, in fact, offered back to China at least twice before the Sino-Portuguese declaration of 13 April 1987 (namely 1966/1967 and 1974/1975). The hand-over of Macau to China was indeed an excellent transition process, achieved smoothly and in an extremely organized manner, which left the Portuguese proud of it. Unfortunately, the most recent articles I have been reading are pointing out for violations of the Sino-Portuguese agreement of 1987, with regards to the increased tax payments that are now being imposed to the working people of Macau, which are leaving them in a much worse financial situation they had before ( violating the Sino-Portuguese agreement of 1987). Another important difference, Macau born people before 1987 are and will always be full Portuguese citizens (with full citizenship rights in the European Community) - just like the Goans born before 1961 - while the Hong Kong citizens were removed from their British overseas citizenship (which have never granted them any European Citizenship rights anyway...). Best regards, Paulo Colaco Dias. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Portugal's shame????
Just to add to what Rui has already said, if you have the opportunity, try and speak to a person native from East-Timor. Ask them what they think of Australia and what they think about Portugal. Nothing better to talk with those who have felt it in their skins! While Portugal was extremely eager to send military help to help with the UN peace keeping force during and immediately after the referendum in ET, it was Australia who convinced the UN into not to accept Portuguese forces. They tried to convince the UN that Portuguese forces in the territory would be offensive to Indonesia and would jeopardize the process. However, the rest of the world conveniently got convinced that the Portuguese could not care less about it since they did not even send any men to help with the UN force (in the beginning of the process). The truth was indeed different. East Timor cause was very much alive in the hearts of all the Portuguese since the 80's, when awareness for the East Timor suffering was enforced at such a level that I remember East Timor was one of the most spoken topics in Portugal news programmes. Lots of Timorese who managed to escape the country were welcomed in Portugal. In fact, they were considered full Portuguese citizens at the face of the law. ET would occupy large part of the Portuguese news programmes. There used to be live reports from ET. The governor Carrascalao himself would talk to the Portuguese television live from East Timor frequently in reference to the violence and the terror in the territory. Xanana Gusmao would talk as well from the mountains where he led the resistance. Portugal never recognized the invasion of East Timor by Indonesia, and because it never completed the independence process, the UN and International Law considered Portugal as the de facto administrative power of East Timor. Indonesia was in clear violation of UN innumerous resolutions to withdraw from the territory. Now, about Australia, let me tell you that for the East Timoreses, there is no other nation who could betray them more. During the II World War, Portugal adopted a neutral policy and therefore, East Timor was not involved in the war because Portugal was neutral. However, when Australia was suffering from serious Japanese attacks, large thousands of East Timoreses voluntarily joined the Australian army to fight for Australia. Many of them died for Australia, a war which was not even theirs. 30 years later, Australia conveniently forgot the help from the East Timoreses. They knew East Timoreses were in vast majority against the integration with Indonesia but they did nothing to protect them in 1975. Quite oppositely, they were the ones who recognized the integration in exchange for a contract with Indonesia to explore the East Timor oil - As you see, much was at stake and opportunism speaks volumes! If the world now has a free independent East Timor, it is thanks to Portugal who never gave up fighting for it diplomatically in the UN. Had Portugal surrender its sovereignty of East Timor to Indonesia, everything would be irreversibly lost. The continuing increasingly Portuguese pressures over Indonesia, together with the determination and courage of the East Timor people who consider the Portuguese as their brothers, finally won them the so much deserved independence. Unfortunately, at the cost of at least 1/3 of the population being killed by Indonesia. Best regards, Paulo Colaco Dias -Original Message- From: Rui Collaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quinta-feira, 4 de Setembro de 2003 0:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Portugal's shame Portugal's shame? You could'nt have been more unfortunate in your choice of a title for your posting. I read the paper, which is fascinating, and indeed says it all, but not in the way you suggest. I suppose you didn't read it, I am almost sure of it. If you did read it, then one has to conclude that you did'nt understand a single line of the paper. In your unquenchable thirst for Portugal-bashing, your favourite pastime (perhaps your main activity), you read half a dozen lines and sent the site, presuming the author was another rabid lusophobe like you. Well, he's not. He is the first Australian that I heard about, having a good knowledge of East Timor. To Australia's shame (not Portugal's) he exposed ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re: Goa's social indicators -- implications / applications?
Hi Marlon, You are absolutely right. Any research will show that Goa's average standard of living was significantly higher than India in 1961. Some figures were already made available here in this forum. In fact, when I was discussing this with someone last weekend, while we could not agree in many topics (he is a true Indian fanatic), this was the only thing we could perhaps agree: It is a known fact that Goa had to go down a lot to be put at the same level of India. And I have no doubts the downgrading process initiated in December 1961 is still running today and it will be running until Goan identity is completely dissolved. A small correction to your post and maybe not many people know about this: The gold which was returned to Goa a few years ago (about 8 to 10 years ago?) was not gold robbed/removed from Goans. Instead, it was the gold many Goan families deposited in the BANCO NACIONAL ULTRAMARINO (Portuguese main bank that time) before the invasion of 1961 merely for protection sake. These Goans begged the Banco Nacional Ultramarino to keep it, to prevent it from falling into Indian hands, who would, no doubt, steal it from them. The rape, killings and stealing cases that immediately followed the invasion of 18 December 1961 (by the so called liberator army men) are rarely mentioned in this forum. Maybe not many people know as well that exactly the same actions are happening today as we speak by the Indian Peace force in Sri Lanka. Instead of enforcing peace, those Indian fanatics are doing nothing else but killing and raping while the world doesn't even know about it. Those who survive and manage to escape are the only ones to speak about the truth but to no avail because the world does not believe in it. When the Portuguese left, all the belongings of BANCO NACIONAL ULTRAMARINO were taken with them. But the records were very well maintained and account holders were then contacted and, therefore, it was possible to return all the gold deposited to the owners or descendents of the owners. This is the truth and I personally know many Goan families who have done it. Of course Portugal has many treasures from its former provinces. (Not as many as the British have though.) I personally see it as an exchange of cultures and gifts. In the case of Goa, what nobody mentions is the Portuguese patrimony which was left in Goa. Goa was once the Rome of the East. What about the Portuguese architecture and monuments left in Goa (mainly in Velha Goa) which is one of the main reasons for Goa's tourism? What about Goa's world known achievements? (first in so many things in all of Asia). Best wishes, Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: Marlon Menezes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2003 23:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Goa's social indicators -- implications / applications? Does Portugal have any major holdings of treasures from Goa/India? I recall, much was returned a few years ago. In any case I cant imagine what items of value the Portuguese could have taken out of Goa! I am obviously not an expert on the historical events and wish not to pass judgement on the cultural impact of Portugal's rule. However from an economic point of view, it seem to me that Goa's average standard of living was significantly higher than the rest of India's in 1961. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet.
Rui, don't you know that if you are a Portuguese National you cannot be a Goan? You can be of Goan origin but you cannot say you are a Goan. Haven't you heard that from this forum about a thousand times that all Goans are Indian nationals, otherwise they cannot be Goans? Like you would say: -God forbid. It would be a mortal sin to consider yourself a Goan if you are not an Indian national. - How can a Goan not be an Indian national? And if you really really want to be a Goan, you will have to surrender your foreign passport, go back to Goa and help in the downgrading process so that we can soon be the same as the rest of India. Isn't that great? We still stand a chance! :-)) -Original Message- From: Rui Collaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quinta-feira, 4 de Setembro de 2003 1:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet. Teotónio de Souza is of Goan origin? Or is he Goan? I am confused, but the Times of India, or rather, its source, should know better... I expect to see pigs flying one of these days! From: renebarreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet. Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:12:03 -0700 WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2003 THE TIMES OF INDIA Indo-Portuguese historians to meet in Goa IANS[ WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 03, 2003 This was when official relations between Portugal and India were taking time to reach normalcy, despite the move of then Portuguese foreign minister (later president) Mario Soares, to recognise Goa's integration into India, says prominent Indo-Portuguese historian Teotonio de Souza, who is of Goan origin and is based in Lisbon. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Despicable moronic babble.
It is incredible that one Miguel, who claims to possess a PhD, inflicts on goanet readers his obsenities by abusing Bernardo who has all the right to maintain a political point of view. I have very little respect for persons who feel that they can villify others instead of convincing them that they are in error. Does this character possess more than one PHd? Can any netter throw some light on the number of PHd's that Christ possessed? And yet he was, reputed to enter into debate with the his Yiddish compatriots and intelligencia. I agree with Tim De Mello who expresses the view of the 'silent majority'. I would reccomend to goa netters to ignore the barbs of such characters and maintain your ground. The Fundacao I know have contributed to embellishing Goa's heritage buildings like painting the police headquarters. They have funded many worthwhile projects and artistts. But some are like donkeys who express their gratitude by belching. We are subjected to a comparison of the Fundacao to a whore. The pimp is equated to the whore. I repeat, I have no respect for such vile creatures. And for our earstwhile journalist who has in the past condemned persons and their views like those expressed by Bernardo to please the authorities in Goa and then plead for understanding I must say, his attitude displays cowardice. Goanet was a very pleasant forum some years ago and I can remember enjoying the opinions of many goanetters. Bickering and recriminations have forced many to quit. I live in a Western city where nearly 20,000 Goans live and it is sad that only about a half dozen of them take any interest in this forum. Our bankers, flower sellers, administratiors and PHd's are all hell bent on driving away goanet's members and monopolise the discussions. Nero, who created this forum is probably playing the fiddle. Good luck Terminator and hope that you succeed where others have failed. As I have been inflicted over and above with the recent power failure, the virus and my absence from my domicile, I have been unable to participate in these worthless discussions. Sometimes it is better to sit on a hill and see lions fight. Here we see gladiators torment a Goan who feel that his allegiance lies with the Lusitanians. God bless him. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
You are an expert at inventing futile issues, but this time I shall clarify
your ackward perplexity. My name is Rui Manuel Miranda Collaço, and
obviously you were in no doubt about it. I enjoy confusing some susceptible
minds.
Long names are not a Portuguese tradition, they are a Goan one. Most
Portuguese people I know have short names. Of course some surnames can be
long, but you can't change them. Please find better issues for your daily
Portugal-bashing feature.
It is funny to quote Disraeli when statistics are of no use to you! Of
course you can't question them in a serious way. When I read your postings,
I think that some of your ideas belong to the time B. Disraeli lived. For
instance, I can see, reading the post below, that you have a serious problem
with the colour of your skin. I presume you are very brown and you don't
like it, and you have an inferiority complex. Above all, you can't figure
out how people of your colour can live in countries like Portugal, where the
majority is white. But I cannot explain properly to you how easy it is to
live in this country as a brown or even a black. For me it's a non-issue,
and also for the majority of my countryman. Only if you come here and see
for yourself you may rid your mind of the cobwebs that fill it. Meanwhile
you may continue with your sarcasms about skin colour - you only cover
yourself with ridicule.
I know you are very upset at having some people standing up at some
utterances on Goanet, and actually setting the record straight. I believe
it's a free forum, that's the marvel of internet. Why can't you
democratically accept other people´s views? It would appear that you
inherited Salazar's traits. You want to shut me out of Goanet, but I have no
intention of following your suggestion. I shall send postings to Goanet
whenever I feel like, or better still, whenever people like you give me a
good reason to. as for the euros, bad luck, no euros left for you. Your
elected Government makes sure no Portuguese euros reach Goa. They are going
to East Timor instead, lots of them. The East Timorese welcome them, and do
their thanking in Portuguese.
Rui Collaço
Lisbon
From: Miguel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:19:12 +0530
I know that Gilbert on the net is Dr.Gilbert Lawrence. Is the Rui
*Miranda* Collaco on [EMAIL PROTECTED] the same as the Rui *Manuel*
Collaco on [EMAIL PROTECTED] who asks Gilbert, why don't people
identify themselves on Goanet?
The Portuguese tradition of giving the hapless infant a 'litany' instead of
a 'name' leaves customs officials in most countries breathless while
confirming the identity of the traveller[ I am one victim of this
tradition].Is Rui getting confused about the three names he chose to
use--or
are there two of a kind from Lisbon on the net?
As for the statistics,I will only quote Benjamin Disraeli{then PM of UK}:
There are three kinds of lies: lies,damned lies and statistics
Nothing different in India or Portugal.Even in UK ,they recently 'sexed up'
data on Iraq!All is fair in love and war.So what if Dr.Kelly died
'mysteriously' for stating the truth?
We are better off in Goa now than in 1961.In Portugal people may be still
better off than us.Let them rejoice in their progress as we do in ours.
Goans do not preach to the Portuguese[white skinned or otherwise] how to
keep up with the Brits.We do not want to be preached at either.If they feel
we are not as well off as they are, let them send us Euros instead of
futile
postings on goanet. Let the Portuguese conduct their debate on their own
net
groups[start a new one if there isn't one to accommodate all the 'Goa
experts' in that country].Goanet is not for Portuguese hegemony. Those days
are long past, placed in the non-biodegradable garbage dump of history!
Rui
will understand this;it is beyond the level of a bigot like Bernado.
VIVA GOA ! JAI HIND!!
Miguel
- Original Message -
From: Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa's social indicators
Can anyone see sarcasm in my text? I fail to see where.
But I am no expert in English, it's an alien language
to me which I rarely speak, my mother tongue is Portuguese.
* Rui Miranda Collaço*
Lisbon
If you stood on the soil of Goa in 1960and again in 2000, and saw the all
round improvement of all socialparameters, I can assure you that we would
not be having this debatein the first place.
regards,
Gilbert--and thats my name.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Inaccuracies or deliberate misinformation should not pass on
Goanet. That's my agenda. The figures on Goa's social indicators
given
by
Gilbert (*why don't people identify themselves on Goanet?*), seemed
very good to
me, for a third world region
One last bit of info: Portugal's rate was 53
Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Mr. Bhatcar, you really do not seem to have much knowledge of the world outside your little Goa. But you should not talk about what you ignore. I was born and lived in Mozambique up to 1977. I assure you that both Mozambique and Angola were, at the time they attained independence in 1975, among the most developed countries of Africa, far better than most of their independent neighbours, and by far better administered. Angola's growth rate was about 9% p.a. (something India has never managed). Any honest scholar that may dwell on this will reach this conclusion. In any case, these facts are well documented. The standard of living and infrastructure were second to none among the countries of black Africa. Only Rodhesia and South Africa were better off. What happened after independence cannot be blamed on Portugal. Marxist regimes, helped by the Soviet Union and Cuba, brought in civil war and disastrous socialist experiments. The economies were all but destroyed. Even today Mozambique is far from reaching the level where it was in 1975. Angola's civil war was a consequence of the cold war. Corruption and African-style appropriation of Govt. funds explain the rest. Some Goan marxists, like Aquino de Bragança in Mozambique, served these regimes, contributing to the disastrous mess into which they became. Goa, by comparison, was a backwater (and still is). When I first visited Bombay and Goa, in 1978, I could hardly believe in what my eyes saw. Goa and the rest of India were the real thirld world, compared to Mozambique. Having been born in Beira, Mozambique's second largest city, Goa appeared to me as an appaling place (except for its natural beauty). By the present state of affairs in those countries you cannot judge how they were in the past! Rui Manuel Collaço Lisbon From: Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies... Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:19:53 + Of late I have seen many rancourous exchanges on how good Portugal is. Goa's colonization by Portugal is now a matter for the History books and cannot be changed. I was just wondering whether or not Portugal really did a whole lot for all of its colonies. I had read that Angola and Mozambique were resourcefully richer than Goa. Except for Goa and Macau, most other major Portuguese colonies have hardly progressed. Perhaps Goa and Macau were the only two, that progressed as they had fairly advanced civilizations that were older than the occupying power itself. Some history buff can perhaps dwell into this issue. Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]FERRY ROKO:Novel protest by villagers to check Ministers plans.
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Row over shifting of Tuyem-Camurlim ferry boat --- A row erupted over the decision of River Navigation Department to shift the lone ferry boat from Tuyem-Camurlim route to Tar-Siolim for the purpose of Ganpati immersion ceremony. Nearly 250 agitators from Camurlim and Tuyem village gathered that the ferry wharf at about 3.30 pm on Thursday and opposed the department's move to shift the ferry to Siolim. Pernem MLA Jitendra Deshprabhu along with Tuyem Sarpanch Ulhas Harmalkar, Camurlim Sarpanch Sharad Gad and Tuyem panchayat members sat in the ferry boat at 3.30 pm and refused to allow the ferry boat to leave for Siolim. Senior police officials from Mapusa visited the site, but the agitators refused to alight from the ferry. According to sources, the officials of River Navigation Department issued a special order to the ferry crew to move the ferry boat to Siolim for the purpose of Ganesh immersion ceremiony at Tar. Copies of the order were forwarded to Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and Agriculture Minister and Siolim MLA Dayanand Mandrekar. Residents of Tuyem expressed their ire because the same ferry which was operating along the Tuyem-Camurlim route was essential, as many office-goers were expected to return home on the lone ferry. Speaking to reporters, Deshprabhu criticised the government and accused the chief minister of trying to satisfy his minister, thereby working in an undemocratic manner. Camurlim Sarpanch Sharad Gad voiced unhappiness over the attitude of Thivim MLA Sadanand Tanavade for ignoring the grievances of the people, especially since the matter had been intimated to the MLA. However, the ferry remained at the Camurlim ferry wharf as the low tide later in the evening did not permit the movement of the ferry towards Siolim. The agitators then dispersed from the site at about 7 pm. --- HERALD 5/9/03 page 7 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]10 HEALTH UPDATE:Seven more jaundice cases reported in Goa
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- Seven more jaundice cases reported in State --- Cases of viral jaundice - Hepatitis E continue to be reported from different parts of the state. With seven more admitted in the last 24 hours, the total number of persons affected so far has gone up to 364, official sources said. Yesterday itself, 14 cases were reported to the directorate of health services from several hospitals including Goa Medical college hospital, Bambolim. The Medicine ward which has two doctors posted specially to cater to Hepatitis E patients, continue to get patients every day. The DHS today denied a report in a section of vernacular press that two more persons had died of the viral jaundice.So far, Hepatitis E has claimed one life. Meanwhile, the Collector of North Goa, Mr S S Keshkamat held a meeting of officers concerned from different departments and reviewed the situation on hygiene at different eating places in the district. Another meeting was chaired by the new health secretary in the secretariat. Authorities have been asked to identify the sources of water supplied to eateries in the state. Meanwhile, the report of the water samples from the public and private wells in the capital city is awaited. As reported by Herald, several water sources have been found to be polluted. Officials say that drawing of all these wells has been stopped and that instructions have been given to the contractors as well. -- HERALD 5/9/03 page 3 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Anyone with lots of free time on their hands
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[Goanet]No Punditry here.
There was this report on TV yesterday, about the proposal for a pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa in Israel, via Jordan. Well, I think the Bush team miscalculated a lot of things while going in to Iraq. All the contracts for rebuilding of the Oil industry had already been allotted, well before the war started. The war ended rather quickly, but the insurgency and lawlessness has made it impossible for the American companies to even step into Iraq. The likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz thought they were the smartest folks in the world. The vacuum created by Saddam's brutal police, is hard to fill for the American troops. All along the US has said that they have 35 coalition partners in Iraq. Last week, the Poles packed their bags, after the attack on UN. Nobody wants casualties. I think the Indian government was smart enough in not getting involved. And now one hears the US and UK talking about UN involvement!! Blair is in trouble because of falsifyiing the WMD intelligence and also read about the Australian government being under pressure. The US, UK and Australia were the 3 main countries, of the so-called 35 strong coalition. If Iraq did have WMD, the coalition better find it NOW! Wonder if Saddam could himself find them, if his regime was still in power. Most of the MIGs and Mirages hidden in the sand are now good for only the museums. Nagesh Bhatcar == The US and its leader are like fools who rush in where angels feared to thread. They are in a quagmire now and want others to help bring back Iraq to pre-war levels. Thay will however not relinquish their leadership and they deserve to stand on their own feet. India has been contemplating or expected to send 17,000 soldiers there where they could rub shoulders with their Pakistani counterparts. I feel that India should stay out but India may fall for the lucre that sending its jawans to Iraq will bring. An Indian soldier will receive a bonus that will be shared with the Indian Government who will stand to benefit. Besides, they will be admitted to the weapons club -free to buy F 16s and smart bombs. They have already allied themselves with Israel who have promiased to help India's weapon industry. Now, is the time when the Russians could get their revenge by supplying arms to the Iraqi rebels just like the US did in Afganistan. God Bless America and its nefarious activities. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]05 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 05 Sep 2003 FATHER, MOTHER, DAUGHTER KILLED IN MISHAP: Tragedy struck the D'Costa family Agonda-Canacona when the three members died in a tragic road accident at Verna at 3.30 pm on September 4. Nicolau D'Costa (45) along with wife Jennifer (39), daughter Joyce (9) and son Priniel (6) were traveling from Pilar to Canacona in their Maruti car. As they reached the Verna bypass, a Kadamba Transport Corporation bus tried to overtake another vehicle and in the bargain rammed head-on against the car, leaving behind a mass of tangled metal. The father and daughter died on the spot while Jennifer died enroute to GMC. Priniel has received multiple injuries but is reportedly out of danger. (GT) KTC TO INTRODUCE VOLVO BUSES: Kadamba Transport Corporation is adding luxury and style to inter-State travel by launching Volvo buses from this Diwali season. (H) RESIDENTS SIT IN FERRY TO PREVENT DIVERSION: Villagers of Tuem and Camurlim sat in a ferryboat for several hours, even as it made its regular trips, and prevented its shifting to Siolim for immersion of Ganesh idols. A move to divert the vessel, plying on Tuem-Camurlim route, for immersion on the fifth day sparked off an agitation and caused tension on both sides of the river. (GT) ELEPHANTIASIS SCREENING: According to sources in the Directorate of Health, a door-to-door programme is on in most cities of Goa to screen the population for Elephantiasis or 'haathi rog'. But, strangely, Panjim seems to be excluded from the programme, despite several surveys and studies showing rampant breeding or the 'culex' mosquito. Just as the anopheles mosquito causes malaria, the culex mosquito infects humans with lymphatic filariasis, which colloquially is known as 'elephantiasis'. (H) 70 PC GOAN VOTERS ISSUED I.D. CARDS: Around 70 percent of the voters in Goa have been issued identity cards after efforts have been intensified to increase the coverage to 85 per by 30 September. (GT) WATERWAYS TRADE ON HIGH WAVES: Union Minister for Shipping Shatrughan Sinha stated that efforts were on to increase waterways trade and transportation from 0.15 billion tonne kms-of which Goa contributes a maximum of 80 percent-to 2 billion tonne kms by next year. Speaking to reporters after the conclusion of the fifth Maritime States Development Council at Cidade de Goa, Sinha said the water transport was the parallel and cheapest mode of transport besides comprising commodity-oriented transport planning. (GT) VEG SUPPLY TO GANDHI MARKET TO STOP: Vegetable supplies to the congested Gandhi market in Margao is to stop from Friday. This follows a resolution adopted by the local vegetable Association not to allow Belgaum-based transporters to bring in vegetable produce till the latter open up the vegetable transport trade to trucks operated by the Association. (H) TO REVIEW PROGRESS OF PANCHAYATS: The director of panchayats has instructed the Block Development Officers to review the progress of all 190 panchayats in the State, in a bid to assess them for selection of a national award. (GT) 'RED BOMB' SCARE IN BAINA: Baina, the red light area of Mormugao, is estimated to be churning out between 18,000 and 36,000 HIV and venereal disease infections every year, according to local medical practitioner Dr Uday L Nagarsekar, who is consultant-obstetrician and gynaecologist in the port-town of Vasco. The gynaecologist says that 53% of the commercial sex workers numbering between 2,000 and 2,200 and operating at the red light area and who cater mainly to tourists, had been officially confirmed to be HIV positive. (GT) BENAULIM SARPANCH: The crucial 'no trust' motion against both the sarpanch and deputy sarpanch of Benaulim panchayat will be taken up for discussion on Friday evening at 5.30 pm. (H) DA HIKE TO COST RS.10 CR: The approval of 4 per cent hike in dearness allowance and relief to employees and pensioners will cost the State exchequer a whopping Rs.10 crore annually. The Union Cabinet approved the proposal of the Finance Ministry to hike DA for its employees and dearness relief to pensioners on September 2, 2003. (GT) WIFE ATTEMPTS TO BURN SELF: Angry at her husband's (Suresh Metri) drinking habit, a 32-year-old woman, Nagava, doused herself in kerosene and set herself on fire, at St Inez on September 3. (GT) SEVEN MORE JAUNDICE CASES: Cases of viral jaundice, Hepatitis E, continue to be reported from different parts of the State. With seven more admitted, the total number of persons affected so far has gone up to 364, official sources aid. (H) KLE MOBILE MACHINE FOR KIDNEY STONE: You can get rid of a kidney stone in a single sitting. Now Goans can avail of the latest technology twice every month. KLE Society's Kidney Foundation is arriving with a mobile Lithotripsy Dornier Alpha, one of the latest machines for removal of kidney stone. The mobile van will visit Grace Intensive Cardiac Care Centre and General Hospital, opposite BPS Club, Margao, on 6 September.
[Goanet]04 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 04 Sep 2003 BUS FARE LIKELY TO BE HIKED SOON: The Long-pending hike in bus fare is likely to be approved at the next Cabinet meeting slated on 15 September. The State government had already agreed to hike the bus fare during the meeting held on 16 July in view of the hike in petroleum prices. But the proposal was kept pending as the government sought more time to finalise the exact amount of fares to be charged. (GT) PROSPECTS FOR A GOOD CROP: Canacona Zonal Agricultural office Amancio Fernandes has stated that even distribution of rains, as compared with last year, has brightened the prospects of crops in the uplands as well as in the lowlands. (H) GOA FAMILY PLANNING PROG'S GIANT LEAP: Following its pervasive 'home to tomb ' approach to good health, the Goa state Family Welfare Programme claims that the maternal and infant mortality rate due to tetanus in Goa is zero. Dr Pradeep Padwal, chief medical officer, GSFWP, attributes the zero mortality to the hygiene and care in the government hospitals. Even though sections of people, especially in hutment colonies could not make any dent on population control, Goa is still ahead of the times. We already achieved a replacement level of 1.7 in 2001 itself, says Dr Padwal. The accepted norm at the international level is 2.1. (NT) SURVEY OF WATER SOURCES: The State government has initiated measures to compile a list of water sources in municipal areas, specially wells and bore wells, to determine whether they are safe for human consumption. (GT) COPS YET TO SOLVE MAPUSA MURDER CASE: Though the police have interrogated about 20 persons in connection with the brutal murder of 68-year-old Rukmini alias Kishori Parsekar of Muddavaddo, Cansa, Tivim, a breakthrough eludes them. (GT) ROTARY PROPOSES HOME FOR DESTITUTE: Rotary Club of Panaji proposed to set up a home for destitute women who have been left by their families or who have no shelter to live in or are victims of circumstances beyond their control. (H) 1991 GOLD SMUGGLING CASE: The Panjim Bench of the Bombay High Court has upheld the trial court's order discharging Churchill Alemao and his brothers from prosecution in the alleged gold smuggling cases which took place at Fatrade in 1991, on the grounds that there was no evidence to confirm that the 'biscuit' seen in the car was indeed gold. (H) MEDICAL TOURISM! Goa has already established itself as a popular tourism destination. Could it be the next destination for 'medical tourism'? Dr Pratap Reddy, chairman of the Apollo Group of hospitals, opined that this could be a possibility, particularly in light of the establishment of the super-speciality Apollo Victor hospital at Margao. He, however, emphasized that the Rs.27 crore, 150-bed hospital would cater primarily to Goan patients. There is a potential to earn about $300 billion through medical tourism, he disclosed to the media on September 3. (GT) CORTALIM LOCALS BENEFIT FROM MUNDKAR ACT: The open discussion on Mundkar Act received tremendous response at Cortalim, as locals present, enquired over a host of problems affecting the mundkars. The discussion was organised busy the Cortalim Legal Aid Cell of the VM Salgaocar College of Law. (H) COMPACTORS TO TACKLE GARBAGE IN VILLAGES: After the cities, compactors, the hydraulic trucks lifting garbage, will soon make their presence felt in the State's countryside. In a bid to tackle the acute garbage problem faced by Village Panchayats, the government has given approval to a proposal to by a total of seven compactors, which will be managed by the Zilla Panchayats. (H) DIAL 1066 FOR HOSPITAL-ON-WHEELS: The Apollo Victor hospital will be setting up an emergency medical system across the State, Apollo Chief Dr Pratap Reddy told the media. People will only need to dial 1066 and, according to road conditions, our hospital-on-wheels will be at their service, he said. This is not merely transport but a fully equipped vehicle that can provide emergency medical care till the patient is shifted to the hospital. (GT) TREKKING TOUR TO MADEKERI: The Youth Hostels Association or India, Margao will organise an outstation trekking cum environment tour to Madekeri in Coorg district of Karnataka from October 1 to October 5. Contact Laxmidas Mangeshkar on tel 2752150 and Uday Mapsekar 2734136. (H) IT SEMINAR AT ROSARY COLLEGE: A State-level Seminar on Implementation of PC Serial Communication in Industry organised by the Information Technology Cell of Rosary College of Commerce Arts, was inaugurated by PS Zacharias, the Vice-Chancellor of Goa University. Oscar Mascarenhas, manager of Goa Carbon Limited discussed at length the communication protocols. (GT) BOOST FOR FLORICULTURE IN SALCETE: The seeds of orchid, anthurium and gerbera, the flowers which go towards the making of a bouquet at a florist's shop, stands sown in Salcete. From just three growers in 2002, the figure has doubled to six this financial years. And, with the Agriculture
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Dear sir/madam I was hoping you might be able to tell me about the spear fishing in Goa. I am planning on going on holiday at Christmas and I love free diving and spear fishing. I have heard there are a lot of sharks in Goa, is this true. Have you heard of people spear fishing there? Obviously being in the water with a flapping fish attracts sharks. I would be so grateful if you could answer my questions. Yours faithfully, Thomas English ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]04 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 04 Sep 2003 BUS FARE LIKELY TO BE HIKED SOON: The Long-pending hike in bus fare is likely to be approved at the next Cabinet meeting slated on 15 September. The State government had already agreed to hike the bus fare during the meeting held on 16 July in view of the hike in petroleum prices. But the proposal was kept pending as the government sought more time to finalise the exact amount of fares to be charged. (GT) PROSPECTS FOR A GOOD CROP: Canacona Zonal Agricultural office Amancio Fernandes has stated that even distribution of rains, as compared with last year, has brightened the prospects of crops in the uplands as well as in the lowlands. (H) GOA FAMILY PLANNING PROG'S GIANT LEAP: Following its pervasive 'home to tomb ' approach to good health, the Goa state Family Welfare Programme claims that the maternal and infant mortality rate due to tetanus in Goa is zero. Dr Pradeep Padwal, chief medical officer, GSFWP, attributes the zero mortality to the hygiene and care in the government hospitals. Even though sections of people, especially in hutment colonies could not make any dent on population control, Goa is still ahead of the times. We already achieved a replacement level of 1.7 in 2001 itself, says Dr Padwal. The accepted norm at the international level is 2.1. (NT) SURVEY OF WATER SOURCES: The State government has initiated measures to compile a list of water sources in municipal areas, specially wells and bore wells, to determine whether they are safe for human consumption. (GT) COPS YET TO SOLVE MAPUSA MURDER CASE: Though the police have interrogated about 20 persons in connection with the brutal murder of 68-year-old Rukmini alias Kishori Parsekar of Muddavaddo, Cansa, Tivim, a breakthrough eludes them. (GT) ROTARY PROPOSES HOME FOR DESTITUTE: Rotary Club of Panaji proposed to set up a home for destitute women who have been left by their families or who have no shelter to live in or are victims of circumstances beyond their control. (H) 1991 GOLD SMUGGLING CASE: The Panjim Bench of the Bombay High Court has upheld the trial court's order discharging Churchill Alemao and his brothers from prosecution in the alleged gold smuggling cases which took place at Fatrade in 1991, on the grounds that there was no evidence to confirm that the 'biscuit' seen in the car was indeed gold. (H) MEDICAL TOURISM! Goa has already established itself as a popular tourism destination. Could it be the next destination for 'medical tourism'? Dr Pratap Reddy, chairman of the Apollo Group of hospitals, opined that this could be a possibility, particularly in light of the establishment of the super-speciality Apollo Victor hospital at Margao. He, however, emphasized that the Rs.27 crore, 150-bed hospital would cater primarily to Goan patients. There is a potential to earn about $300 billion through medical tourism, he disclosed to the media on September 3. (GT) CORTALIM LOCALS BENEFIT FROM MUNDKAR ACT: The open discussion on Mundkar Act received tremendous response at Cortalim, as locals present, enquired over a host of problems affecting the mundkars. The discussion was organised busy the Cortalim Legal Aid Cell of the VM Salgaocar College of Law. (H) COMPACTORS TO TACKLE GARBAGE IN VILLAGES: After the cities, compactors, the hydraulic trucks lifting garbage, will soon make their presence felt in the State's countryside. In a bid to tackle the acute garbage problem faced by Village Panchayats, the government has given approval to a proposal to by a total of seven compactors, which will be managed by the Zilla Panchayats. (H) DIAL 1066 FOR HOSPITAL-ON-WHEELS: The Apollo Victor hospital will be setting up an emergency medical system across the State, Apollo Chief Dr Pratap Reddy told the media. People will only need to dial 1066 and, according to road conditions, our hospital-on-wheels will be at their service, he said. This is not merely transport but a fully equipped vehicle that can provide emergency medical care till the patient is shifted to the hospital. (GT) TREKKING TOUR TO MADEKERI: The Youth Hostels Association or India, Margao will organise an outstation trekking cum environment tour to Madekeri in Coorg district of Karnataka from October 1 to October 5. Contact Laxmidas Mangeshkar on tel 2752150 and Uday Mapsekar 2734136. (H) IT SEMINAR AT ROSARY COLLEGE: A State-level Seminar on Implementation of PC Serial Communication in Industry organised by the Information Technology Cell of Rosary College of Commerce Arts, was inaugurated by PS Zacharias, the Vice-Chancellor of Goa University. Oscar Mascarenhas, manager of Goa Carbon Limited discussed at length the communication protocols. (GT) BOOST FOR FLORICULTURE IN SALCETE: The seeds of orchid, anthurium and gerbera, the flowers which go towards the making of a bouquet at a florist's shop, stands sown in Salcete. From just three growers in 2002, the figure has doubled to six this financial years. And, with the Agriculture
[Goanet]IXTT: The News In Konkani...
V. Ixtt Samachar * News from V. Ixtt 5 Kherit suttiam vixim amdar Mathanychem mot Matanhy Saldanha on the plan for 5 holidays Halinch Goem sorkaran 5 kherit suttiam vixim aplem dhoron jahir kelam tem fattim gheunchem mhunn Kutt'tthallecho amdar Mathany Saldanha hannem maglam. Sorkari Khateant nokri kortele kamdar aplem kam' vevosthit korinant oxem dista zalear ani tea khatir tankam odik vell zai zalear sorkaran mhoineacho poilo vo tisro sonvar kamcho mhunn jahir korcho mhunn tannem sanglem. Halinch sorkarn Dusserah, Bhag. Francis Xavierachi porob, Id, Holi, adi oxea soglea mellun panch porbancheo suttio kaddun uddoupacho proitn kela taka ul'lekhun amdarr Saldanha hannem aplem hem mot manddlem. Bhurgeanchi poristhiti sudraunchi - Rajasthanant ostoream ani bhurgeam khatir punorvo-sonnachi (rehabilitation) kendram asat tanchi poristhiti borich bigoddleli pollevn tanchi sudarnni korunk duddvanchi odik bondobost korchi mhunn Rajasthan Unch Neaialoian punorvosonnachea soglea kendrank hukum dila, Rajasthanant Shishu Grah ani Balika Grah hantunt vosti kortelea 103 bhurgeanchi poristhiti sudraunk Korttan maglam. Bholaiken borim aslolea bailank ani bhurgeank barik zor ani her pidda zaloleam piddestam vangdda ravchem poddtta. Bhag Francisk Xavierachea Relikanchi dakhovnn - Exposition of St Francis Xavier in 2004 Porneam Goeam St Francisk Xavierachea Relikanchem Expozisanv ietea vorsachea Novembrache 21ver tem Janerache 2rer 2005 vorsa meren astolem mhonn jahir zalam. Dor dha vorsamni St Francis Xaiverachea Relikanchi dakhovnn korpachi Goenche Arkidiosezint chal asa ti monant dhorun hi 16vi dobajik dakhovn korunk tharailam mhonn Patriark Saiban apli dikri porgottun jahir kelam. Poili dakhovnn 1782 vorsachea Fevrerache 10ver tem 12ver porian keloli. Relikanchi 15vi dobajik dakhovn zaloli ti 1994 vorsa Novembr 21vi tem 1995 vorsa Jan. 7vi poiran. Bispanchim Hindunk porbim - Archbishop greets Hindus Ganesh Chaturthiche porbe somoiar mukhel montri ani Rajpala xivai, Adhari Bisp Felipe Neri Ferrao sangata Patriark Raul Gonsalves hannem Hindu bhavam bhoinnank porbim dilim ani sontosbhorit Ganesh Chaturthi anvddele. Devan amchea kallzamni ani monamni khoro mog ani ekamekacho husko ghalcho ani hea denneam vorvim ekuch vhoddlo somaz novsorunk ani thir korunk pavchim mhonnlam. Ikravechea xikpeam khatir Cyberage ievzonn -- Cyberage scheme for other Std XI students Ikravechea Vidnean ani Vevsaik songonnuk (computer) tontrnean obheaskromantlea xikpeam khatir Cyberage videarthi ievzonn iesesvi ritin chalik lailea uprant sorkaran 2003-04 hea xikxonnik vorsa ikravi Kola, Vannijio, Vidnean ani Vevsaik (venchik) obheaskromantlea xikpeam khatir he ievzonnecho faido divpacho nirnnoi ghetla. Orje ani odik mahite khatir lagu zatolea sonsthanchea mukhelamni Somar, 8 Setembr 2003 disa Xikxonn Sonchalanaloi, Ponnji hanga khobor kaddchi. Sonsthechea mukheleamni aplea vangdda fantteam pormonnem mahiti haddchi. Purnn ritin bhorleleo orzo Somar tarik 22 Setembr hache poilim xikxonn khateant svikartele. Konknni Xikxok Proxikxonn Kendr suru korpak magnnem --- Plea to launch a 'Konknni Xikxok Proxikxonn Centre' Goeant 250 poros odik osorkari ani 78 Konknni madheomacheo sorkari xalla asat. Goenchi bhou-sonkhea (majority) lok konknni uloitat, khubxe zann khasgi vevhar konknni bhaxentlean kortat. Baravek 7 hozaram poros odik bhurge dor vorsa konknni vixoi ghevn pas zatat, ponn dukhachi gozal mhollear mullavea panvddeacher konknni xikxonn ghevpi hozaramni bhurgeank xikovnni xikxokank proxikxonn (training) divpak 'Xikxok Proxikxonn Kendr' D.Ed hachi vevostha na. Te khatir Konknni vixoi ghevn pas zavpi bhurgeanchea fuddara khatir ani konknni mullavea xikxokanchi goroz nodre mukhar dovrun ieta tea xikxonnik vorsa 2004-05 thavn Porvore hanga aslolea Xikxok Proxikxonn Kendrant inglix ani moratthi madheoma vangddach konknni madheo-mantlean Diploma xikxonn suru korchem oxem magnnem korpi chitt halinch Harvalle Sankhlle hangachea kaim huskeabhorit tornatteamni bholaike Montri Dr. Suresh Amonkar haka dilea. Gonnpoti Bap'pa Morya surar dedd disancho gonnpoti pavoilo Reports on the Ganesh festivities underway Morya, Gonnpoti Bap'pa Morya oxea utramni gait ani fog-marannancho goddgodd korun Somara dis dedd disancho gonnpoti pavoilo. Pavsan visov ghetlo tea khatir gonnpoti pavoupak ani zai toso fog launk gonnpoti pavounk hajir asloleam modem borich umed distali. Somara disa sokallim thavn usram meren ganvchea lokamni novim angavlim ghalun ghora-ghoramni vochun arteo korun gonnpotichem dorxon ghetlem. Sanje vellar ghorantlea dor eklean ganvantlea ghoramni kelole dekhave polleunk gordi keli. Pavsacho matui nett naslolean porum poros hea vorsa lokamni
[Goanet]turbulent disunity.........
::The Goan Gymkhana(Nairobi) The Goan Gymkhan Nairobi was born in May 1936 out of a parentage of turbulent disunity. Three months before, on March 19, banded together under the leadership of R.A. Oliver, some members of the Goan Institute, broke away to set up the Goan Gymkhana. This splinter group met at the Sir Salim Ali Muslim club and established an Organizing Committee with R.A Oliver as the Chairman,Cyprian Lobo, Secretary and Jos A. De Souza, C.L. de Souza and C. Dias, members Today, its has a large membership and stands at Ngara Road, in Nairobi. HISTORY GoaNS OF KENYA http://www.afdeca.com/kenyagoa/clubs.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
