[Goanet] Re: Further to the Da Vinci Code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Cornel I had previously suggested an indefinite moratorium on evangelization and proselytizing (not just in Goa/India but around the world). Given the high levels of intolerance these days by fundamentalists in all religions (including Christianity), this is the only way to prevent communal fires from being stoked. Regards, George --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goanetters, The people of Goa have demonstrated muscle over the Da Vinci Code whether we agree with this or not, and the mechanism by which this was achieved. I now sincerely hope that, such muscle will be shown against the highly risky and misguided business of the Catholic Church in its assertiveness over evangelisation in India. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goans set to celebrate WORLD GOA DAY in Melbourne, AUS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- As someone who is keenly aware of the founding role Goa Sudharop played in World Goa Day, I will write later how some celebrations are not consistent with the original mission of WGD and have failed to deliver. Some constructive suggestions might get WGD back on track. This is not meant to criticize Oscar's hard work and the hard work of others but it will be useful to revisit Filomena Giese's idea of WGD. Regards, George --- Oscar Hazel Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOANS SET TO CELEBRATE WORLD GOA DAY IN MELBOURNE Goans in Melbourne will be celebrating the now regular Annual World Goa Day event with their family and friends on Saturday the 30th of September 2006. In order to accommodate the larger numbers attending this year, the event will be held at the Kingston City Hall, Moorabbin. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Progressive Episcopalians: Episcopal Church elects female leader
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Will the Catholic Church recognize women's equality and have women priests and a woman Pope someday or will it continue to deny women equality while other denominations progress? George *** In historic vote, Episcopal Church elects female leader Episcopal Church leaders chose Nevada Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori as their leader Sunday, making her the first woman to head any denomination in the Anglican Communion worldwide .The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/religion/14852316.htm (c) 2006 MercuryNews.com and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. In historic vote, Episcopal Church elects female leader By Juliet Eilperin, Washington Post Episcopal Church leaders chose Nevada Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori as their leader Sunday, making her the first woman to head any denomination in the Anglican Communion worldwide. The decision to choose a female presiding bishop for the 2.3 million-member denomination, 30 years after the church first allowed women to become priests, might exacerbate tensions between Episcopalians and other branches of the Anglican church. Three years ago, Episcopalians angered many conservatives in the United States and abroad by electing an openly gay man from New Hampshire, Gene Robinson, as a bishop. Jefferts Schori, 52, a graduate of Stanford University and a former oceanographer, backed Robinson's election. The runner-up for presiding bishop, Alabama Bishop Henry Parsley, opposed consecrating Robinson. Before Robinson's consecration in 2003, no openly gay priest had become a bishop in the Anglican church, which extends back more than 450 years. Only the United States, Canada and New Zealand have female bishops, although some other provinces allow women to qualify for the position. The Church of England does not allow female bishops. With outgoing Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold by her side, Jefferts Schori told delegates to the Episcopal General Convention in Columbus, Ohio, on Sunday that she was ``awed and honored and deeply privileged to be elected.'' Jefferts Schori held out hope of mending any breaks that her election may cause. ``Alienation is often a function of not knowing another human being,'' she said at a press conference after her election. ``I have good relations with almost all the other bishops, those who agree and those who don't agree with me. I will bend over backward to build good relations with those who don't agree with me.'' Episcopal bishops elected Jefferts Schori on the fifth ballot. She collected 95 votes, with 93 others split between the rest of the field -- six candidates, all men. Delegates shocked The historic vote shocked many delegates at the convention, where they also were debating whether to temporarily halt the appointment of gay bishops to make amends with other Anglican leaders. The Rev. Jennifer Adams, who presides at Grace Episcopal Church, which is deemed ``gay friendly'' by the Grand Rapids, Mich., branch of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, described Jefferts Schori at the convention as ``a woman of integrity, consistency and faith. I have no doubt her election as presiding bishop will be a gift to our church.'' The Rev. Ian Montgomery, minister at Palo Alto's All Saints Episcopal Church, said he was surprised at the selection of Jefferts Schori because she had not been considered a front-runner for the position. Montgomery said the choice of a woman is likely to be accepted in the U.S. church and within his Peninsula congregation, but he worries about the implications internationally. ``My fear is our voice will not be heard because she will not be welcomed at the table internationally,'' Montgomery said. ``My fear is she won't have a place at the table because she's a woman.'' Some church delegates, including the Rev. Eddie Blue of Maryland, questioned why Episcopalian leaders chose Jefferts Schori. He said the issue of female bishops is ``not settled'' within the Anglican church. ``I thought because of the other problems we were having with the rest of the communion, this would damage our relationship,'' Blue said. But Blue's wife, Lucy Brady, a pastor in the United Church of Christ, said the move reminded her of 30 years ago when, as a divinity student in Rochester, N.Y.,
[Goanet] Attention Paulo Colaco: Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Paulo Every discussion list needs to take stock periodically of its role, purpose, etc. and change with the times. Some are able to reinvent themselves and survive. I am curious in reading your comment yesterday, what changes you would make to Goanet. I am open-minded about this topic and eager to hear your view. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY TOP 12: __ 1. DEAR AUNTY, The U.S. drew Italy with only 9 of 11 men at the World Cup. How?Osama ... Dear Osama:Isn't it obvious ? They're experts at 9/11 ! Hi Francis Although corny at times, your weekly humour is a delightful addition to Goan cyberspace. More significant, is your great talent at word play and connecting seemingly unrelated dots to generate humour. Like Dominic's attempt, can we expect a book soon with these compilations? Keep it up. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Progressive Presbyterians: Mother, Child and Womb
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Excerpt: 'The divine Trinity â Father, Son and Holy Spirit â could also be known as Mother, Child and Womb or Rock, Redeemer, Friend at some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action Monday by the church's national assembly.' See story at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060619/ap_on_re_us/presbyterians _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Hindu temples and Churches/chapels in Goa
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George I really do enjoy your humour. Please do let us have more. In humility, thank you Cornel. After 7 years in Goan cyberspace, I have learnt satire is a good response. Just so you know, our Goan reporter Pedro covering the World Cup in Germany reported today on the upcoming Portugal-Iran match. The buzz in not on the outcome of the game, but a majority of the Iranian players are irate that Portugal never colonized Iran. The Iranian team has just issued a press statement: If Portugal could colonize Angola, why not Iran? We would be just as grateful as Angola had we been colonized and Portugese people and Portuguese apologists could cheer for us to win the game. Now we have to rely on nuclear threats to overcome Portugal. To further illustrate their desire to be a former Portugese colony, some have adopted Goan sounding surnames. Karemi Ali and Daei Ali are now known as Karemi D'Souza, Daei Fernandes. They have also applied for Portuguese passports so they can work in France and protest the treatment of Muslims in France but not Iran. So now you know the truth. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Hindu temples and Churches/chapels in Goa
The Panjim main library will soon acquire a new book Our heads are buried in the sand authored by GCA (Goan Church Apologists). After serious research lasting 30 seconds, GCA has concluded that Hindu temples voluntarily collapsed in Goa. Goan Catholics immediately decided out of the goodness of their hearts to rebuild the temples. Miraculously during the rebuilding effort, the temples resurrected as churches and chapels. No one is able to explain this miracle. Even Ripley's 'Believe it or Not' is so astounded by this phenomenon, they have yet to include it in their publications. The Vatican is looking into adopting this miracle to canonize a few more European saints. So now you know the truth. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: India gobbling the world - Malthus be gone!
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't often that I have the opportunity to respond to two worthy left-wing intelletuals at the same time on Goanet, I must disagree with Mario's observation of my ability. I have no claim to any fame (intellectual) except I once was falsely accused of being good-looking at the Anjuna night flea market. Later I found out the person was visually-challenged and the darkness may have had something to do with it. Also some adulterated feni. As to left-wing/right-wing that is for birds and airplanes. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: India gobbling the world - Malthus be gone!
--- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure as, Dr Khushwant Singh and Chidambaram, revel in the headway that India is making, their foremost wish is Malthus be gone. Unfortunately, the spectre of Maltus will follow both India and China well into the next century. For those further interested in Malthus (Elisabeth's reference above), see link and excerpt below http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/profiles/malthus.htm In this famous work, Malthus posited his hypothesis that (unchecked) population growth always exceeds the growth of means of subsistence. Actual (checked) population growth is kept in line with food supply growth by positive checks (starvation, disease and the like, elevating the death rate) and preventive checks (i.e. postponement of marriage, etc. that keep down the birthrate), both of which are characterized by misery and vice. Malthus's hypothesis implied that actual population always has a tendency to push above the food supply. Because of this tendency, any attempt to ameliorate the condition of the lower classes by increasing their incomes or improving agricultural productivity would be fruitless, as the extra means of subsistence would be completely absorbed by an induced boost in population. As long as this tendency remains, Malthus argued, the perfectibility of society will always be out of reach. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: Portugal... or Angola?
--- Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The British commentators were finding hard to understand this phenomenon of excellent relations and fraternity between a colony and its 500 years old coloniser. Applauses and cheering for Angola came from both the Portuguese audience as well as from the Angolan audience (which was in much lower numbers). This must have been so strange for the international community watching the game. Fortunately, Goan reporter Pedro was on the scene to capture the magic of this moment. He reported that one Angolan player was so overwhelmed by the colonizer-colonized camaraderie, in the ecstasy of the moment he invited a Portuguese player to come over and sleep with his wife. When the Portuguese player came over, he realized the Angolan player did not have a wife so he slept with him. Pedro also reported another Portuguese player invited an Angolan player to come over and marry his daughter. When the Angolan player came over he realized the Portuguese player had no daughter, so he married his adult son. This was such a happy ending to colonization for everyone except the homophobic Lusophobes. The World Cup is not simply about football, it is about colonization, history, sexuality, and much more. Btw, the Angolan player chose to marry the adult (rich) son. It is about money too. So now you know the truth. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] World Cup Goan sweepstakes to benefit a Goan charity
Only a few tickets remain. Please buy a ticket and support a good cause. See details below. Thanks, George * Dear all: Many thanks to Gabe for initiating this World Cup Goan sweepstakes to benefit a Goan charity for seniors in Goa. This is Gabe's personal initiative; it is not an official project of Goa Sudharop although Gabe has kindly determined to donate the proceeds to Goa Sudharop (www.goasudharop.org) for a Goan charity for seniors in Goa. Here is a summary of the sweepstakes and related information: 1. 32 tickets will be sold for the 32 teams playing in the World Cup. 2. Each ticket costs UK 10 pounds or US $20. Please send your money order or checks/cheques in **US $$** and make payable to GOA SUDHAROP and mail to: GOA SUDHAROP, 67 KINGSTON ROAD, KENSIGNTON, CALIFORNIA, 94707, USA. 3. Please send an email to Gabe Menezes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to inform him you are entering so he can maintain the list of entrants. He will later have a drawing to determine which team you are assigned (each ticket is assigned one team). 4. The last date to enter and inform Gabe is June 15, 2006. 5. First come, first serve basis. Only 32 tickets will be sold, so rush your entry before it is too late. 6. On July 9, the winner will be annouced based on the team which wins the World Cup. 7. The winner will receive US$200, the remaining amount collected (approximately US $400) will benefit a Goan charity for seniors in Goa through Goa Sudharop. 8. A full public accounting will be made after the contest is over. Thank you for your support. George Pinto _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: ADC - June 8
From : Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] With todays proverbs, I conclude the ADC posts, which I was posting in absence of Domnic Babs Aichea Dissak Chintop'. Thank you Edward and welcome back Dominic. You guys are Goan stalwarts. Keep up the good work. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: The Indian who revived Catholicism in Sri Lanka
June 23rd is the anniversary of the first Mass said by Goan Blessed Joseph Vaz on Sri Lankan soil in 1687 and the 6th anniversary of the Joseph Naik Vaz Institute's Mass on June 23, 2000 in Rome at the Oratorian church, Chiesa Nuova, presided by Cardinal Emeritus of Mumbai, Cardinal Simon Pimenta. Cardinal Pimenta personally handed the Joseph Naik petition for the 2000 Jubilee canonization of Blessed Joseph Vaz to Pope John Paul II. The article below which appeared on this forum a few days ago, is a good reminder for Goans to honor their Goan heritage. And it is a good time to ask: does your Goan organization/association and church/priests remember and celebrate native Goan saints like Blessed Vaz and Venerable Agnelo or does the colonial mindset of celebrating European saints only continue? Be true to your true Goan heritage and pass Goan history to your children and grandchildren, not just European history. Regards, George * The Indian who revived Catholicism in Sri Lanka COLOMBO DIARY | PK Balachandran June 5, 2006 (PK Balachandran is Special Correspondent of Hindustan Times in Sri Lanka) http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1713353,004100180006.htm In the second half of the 17th century, two important developments took place in Ceylon as Sri Lanka was then called. In 1658, the Dutch replaced the Portuguese as the European military, political and economic power; and Calvinism or Protestantism, displaced Roman Catholicism as the religion of the Christians in the island. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] World Cup Goan sweepstakes to benefit Goan charity
Dear all: Many thanks to Gabe for initiating this World Cup Goan sweepstakes to benefit a Goan charity for seniors in Goa. This is Gabe's personal initiative; it is not an official project of Goa Sudharop although Gabe has kindly determined to donate the proceeds to Goa Sudharop (www.goasudharop.org) for a Goan charity for seniors in Goa. Here is a summary of the sweepstakes and related information: 1. 32 tickets will be sold for the 32 teams playing in the World Cup. 2. Each ticket costs UK 10 pounds or US $20. Please send your money order or checks/cheques in **US $$** and make payable to GOA SUDHAROP and mail to: GOA SUDHAROP, 67 KINGSTON ROAD, KENSIGNTON, CALIFORNIA, 94707, USA. 3. Please send an email to Gabe Menezes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to inform him you are entering so he can maintain the list of entrants. He will later have a drawing to determine which team you are assigned (each ticket is assigned one team). 4. The last date to enter and inform Gabe is June 15, 2006. 5. To date about 10 people have entered. First come, first serve basis. Only 32 tickets will be sold, so rush your entry before it is too late. 6. On July 9, the winner will be annouced based on the team which wins the World Cup. 7. The winner will receive US$200, the remaining amount collected (approximately US $400) will benefit a Goan charity for seniors in Goa through Goa Sudharop. 8. A full public accounting will be made after the contest is over. Thank you for your support. George Pinto _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: World Cup sweepstake.
Dear Gabe, Merwyn, Jose, Aurelius, Tony and others: Thank you for using a fun event like the World Cup to raise money for a worthy Goan cause. The money donated to Goa Sudharop will be sent to one or two Goan charities in Goa who work with Seniors. It is most kind and generous of you. Donations (checks/cheques) can be made to GOA SUDHAROP and mailed to 67 KINGSTON ROAD, KENSIGNTON, CALIFORNIA, USA, 94707. I will co-ordinate with Gabe and give a full public acounting when complete. Thank you again. George Pinto --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Goenkars! The sweep stake is on - I really would love more people to participate, although this has already been underwritten. Goa Sudharop will choose the charity to which the money will go to! The winner picks £100 or equivalent to keep the excitement. £220 or equivalent will go to charity. I shall pull the names of the teams from a hat and allocate it according to who comes in. This will be done fairly - so really don't know who will end up with the favourites! It will be fun and it is for Charity. Hopefully George will provide an address for the cheques to be sent to ? The first game starts this Saturday so please try and cough up early! -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Boycott Inox multiplex Cinema Hall for Showing the Film, despite Ban in Goa!
INDIAN CHRISTIAN ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote BOYCOTT THE INOX MULTIPLEX CINEMA HALL, WHICH IS IN PANJIM (GOA) FOR SHOWING ANTI-CHRIST (ANTI-CHRISTIAN) FILM, DESPITE BANNED IN GOA! A few questions for INDIAN CHRISTIAN: 1. Who do you represent? 2. Are you the official or elected spokesperson for 20 million+ Indian Christians? 3. Do all Indian Christians share your view? 4. Should this boycott be temporary or permanent? 5. Has the film been officially banned in Goa as you say? (Emphasis on 'officially'). 6. Should all fictional films be boycotted? 7. Have you boycotted the Church when the Church has committed wrong? 8. Do boycotts add or subtract from box office receipts? 9. Are adult Indian Christians capable of making up their own mind regarding which movies to see? George Pinto _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Off topic: Chicken and egg debate unscrambled
--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chicken and egg debate unscrambled Egg came first, 'eggsperts' agree LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg? The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film Chicken Little on DVD. Merwyn, the world's first egg was discovered in Bardez, the first chicken in Salsette. To keep the two together, these two North South regions combined to form Goa. This is a (chicken) little known fact. So now you know the truth. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Woman priest says Mass
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/14688209.htm Defiant female priest says Mass RENEGADE GROUP HOLDS SERVICES; DIOCESE SAYS SACRAMENTS INVALID By Kim Vo Mercury News The fledgling congregation gathered in a circle at Sunday Mass at Spartan Memorial Chapel to introduce themselves. A woman in a long, white robe spoke first. ``My name is Victoria Rue,'' she said. ``And I am a Roman Catholic woman priest.'' Rue belongs to a renegade movement that is ordaining women as Catholic priests, in defiance of the Vatican. Today, Rue celebrates Mass at the non-denominational chapel at San Jose State University. Joining her at the altar on Sundays -- also in clerical robes -- have been a married man, his wife and another woman. The ceremonies prompted the Diocese of San Jose this month to warn Catholics that the sacraments there would be invalid. It's a prickly issue more Catholic dioceses will face as increasing numbers of women join the ordination movement. ``God has called me,'' said Juanita Cordero, a Los Gatos woman who will soon be ordained as a deacon and aims to be a priest by 2007. ``Growing up it was never a possibility because it was always for men.'' Cordero, a former nun, is among 120 women enrolled in the Roman Catholic Womenpriests program, which has been boldly ordaining groups of women as priests and deacons. A dozen will be ordained in Pittsburgh on July 31, including Cordero and women from Carmel and Pismo Beach. Another woman -- fearful that her bishop will quickly excommunicate her -- will only say she's from the Bay Area. Those women plan to eventually work as priests, offering pastoral care and presiding over rituals ranging from baptisms to weddings to Mass. The church says the movement is built on a falsehood: Women can't be priests, so whatever ceremonies they hold are moot. The women say they're reforming the church by defying it, hoping to bring about a more inclusive institution that welcomes women, married men and gays in all of its ranks. In addition to a more egalitarian church, they say, the movement fulfills their long-thwarted wishes to become priests. Divinity degree needed The Womenpriests program, which has no set headquarters but claims members in North America and Europe, requires women to earn a master's degree in divinity along with 10 additional units in areas such as spirituality and pastoral care. The program gained notoriety in 2002 when a sympathetic bishop ordained seven women on the Danube River near Germany and Austria. The women have since been excommunicated. Still, some bishops went on to illicitly ordain two of those women as bishops, and they in turn have ordained other women. Local dioceses say those ordinations are hollow, citing canon law and the Vatican's actions against the original seven. Both sides turn to historical precedent and theology to support their views. The group claims that because the women were initially ordained by bishops in good standing, their own ordinations are valid. Supporters say their stance has precedent in the early church, citing artifacts showing women at the Eucharist table and references to presbytera or episcopa -- feminizations for priest and bishop. ``The reality of women priests is historical,'' said Rue, a professor of both women's studies and religious studies at San Jose State University. ``It's a birthright women have.'' Critics say it's unclear whether the depictions were of women and altars, and that the terms more properly translate as ``wife of'' priest or bishop, explained the Rev. Arthur Holder, an expert on the history of Christian spirituality at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. The most oft-cited theological reasons women can't be priests is they aren't created in the image of Christ and that Jesus himself set the rules when he selected 12 men as his apostles. Pope Benedict XVI, like his predecessor Pope John Paul II, probably won't allow women's ordination, said the Rev. Thomas Reese, a Vatican expert. ``You got 20 centuries of teaching and practice. You need a pretty good reason to reverse that,'' Reese said. ``They would say you can't reverse that.'' Polls show that a majority of American Catholics support women's ordination, he said, but it's unclear if they would support a maverick movement to bring it about. Take John Wilhelmsson, a San Jose State graduate student and lifelong Catholic, who is frustrated that Rue calls herself a Catholic priest when the church doesn't allow it. ``It's like telling a big lie,'' he said, ``and telling it over and over again.'' Other tensions have surfaced. The group posted fliers around the campus advertising the ``Catholic and inclusive'' Mass, sometimes putting them beside the diocese's warnings that someone had printed and hung. Several times the Mass fliers were taken down; one week, the diocese's statements were removed. Other than steering Catholics away, the diocese has no plans to
[Goanet] Re: Of misinformed fundamentalists, fresh controversies, and true conversions (George Menezes)
I have not read the Da Vinci Code nor do I intend to see the movie. However, some people have taken exception to the depiction that Christ could have been married or had a child. Historical facts and Christian thinking aside, I am wondering if part of their concern stems from thinking that something is wrong with marriage or having children? If the historical Jesus was married and had a child, would they reject Christianity and the message? Does a guilt-ridden understanding of human sexuality play into their thinking? We know it plays some role with respect to celibacy for priests and nuns and the big hang-up about having unmarried priests and nuns. I am also a bit disappointed (though not surprized) that we have these protests on a selective basis. Were these people protesting the child abuse sex scandals in the last few years? Have they held the Vatican and their local churches accountable? Have they spoken out on other injustices (for example we still do not have a native Goan saint)? Why the silence then? It is difficult to take their protests seriously now when it is selective. Regards, George Pinto --- Goanet Reader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Faith not force: Of misinformed fundamentalists... By George Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Church and community has just been recovering from the embarrassment of allowing a small coterie of misinformed fundamentalists with personal agendas to hijack what could have been a rational and informed debate on the screening of 'Da Vinci Code'. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goa grand plan to go 200 up on Cannes
I hope all these grandiose plans are opposed. It is a question of priorities. First come the basics: education, health care, infrastructure, 24/7 electricity, water supply, garbage management, etc. Goa is yet to get the basics right but that does not seem to stop these boondoggle projects (an opportunity for more corruption). Regards, George Goa grand plan to go 200 up on Cannes AMIT ROY Cannes, May 28: Although it will be many years before Goa can claim to be an Indian Cannes, the former Portuguese resort will out-Cannes Cannes in at least one respect. Goa is to build the biggest cinema in India, with 2,500 seats, 200 more than the capacity at the Grand Theatre Lumiere in Cannes. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Interview with Dr. Filomena Sarawati Giese
Fred, thanks for your interview with Dr. Filomena Sarawati Giese. See http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanet-newsinfo=2006-May/datepost_id=001617 As one of the founders of Goa Sudharop and World Goa Day (it was her idea), she has had a remarkable impact in the Goan community and progressive Goan thinking. Many recall her valiant attempts in 2000 with the Vaticant to have Blessed Vaz canonized as the first native Goan saint. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Jeevan Community Center
Goa Sudharop is pleased to make a positive contribution to Goa and Goans. The Jeevan Community Center was a Goa Sudharop awardee in January 2006. Please support them - see their message below. Goa Sudharop would like to thank the young couple (who wish to remain anonymous) for their generous contribution to the Jeevan Community Center. Regards, Goa Sudharop, www.goasudharop.org ___ JEEVAN COMMUNITY CENTER, LIVING WITH DIGNITY A3 SAPNA CITADEL, DONA PAULA, GOA Tel: 3953058; 9822686297 Farida D'Silva Dias - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeevan Community Center (JCC), a non-governmental organization, was established in May 2005, with the main objective of promoting the mental, social and educational stability of the Goan community, through the following goals: Counselling services for children, adolescents, families and senior citizens in the areas of developmental, behavioural and emotional problems. Enhance self-sufficiency and self-reliance of individuals by strengthening their abilities through training and awareness programs. Providing youth development, youth empowerment and character education programs, summer camps and similar activities. Providing a community focal point where senior citizens come together for services and activities that reflect their experience and skills, respond to their diverse needs and interests, enhance their dignity, support their independence, and encourage their involvement in and with JCC and the community. Since May 2005 JCC has provided workshops on: Active Parenting to married couples in Panjim and Margao, with follow-up group sessions. Inspiring Quality in the Classroom to teachers of Don Bosco School, in Panjim, Goa. Reality Therapy (seven days) to the Seminarians (fifteen) of the Rachol Seminary. Positive Development Workshop on Public Speaking Skills (fifteen participants) at the YMCA Summer Camp. OTHERS Voluntary counselling services at the Womens Trafficking and Juvenile Unit of the Goa Police, at Panaji, with follow-up counselling for estranged couples. Started a Senior Citizens Club at the Panaji YMCA, which will be extended to the center. Formulaed a nine-month Counselling Training Program for the approval of international certification. Collaborative and consultancy services with UNIFEM and WISE, Goa, in the area of rehabilitation and upgrading counselling skills. JCC is run by Farida D'Silva Dias, clinical psychologist and reality therapy certified instructor. She can be contacted at the above telephone numbers or email. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Congrats to Beatrice and Cecil Pinto
Congratulations to Beatrice and Cecil Pinto who celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary today. Cecil has entertained us with his humourous posts over the years. Please join me in wishing them many more years of marital bliss. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Da Vinci Code': Christians catch the fundamentalist
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aristo Changing the subject a little, perhaps you can throw some light on Christian evangelism in India today to which I am totally opposed. Why on earth should any religious group try to evangelise any other group anywhere, even though it is rampant in the USA as a means towards substantial money-making for some. Hi Cornel I agree with you. There should be an indefinite moratorium on all evangelizing activity, by all religions. Evangelization across the world has brought about negative, adverse activity. It has led to the religious fundamentalism we see in all major religions today. Better for people to worry about their own souls, than worry about others. Cardinal Ivan Dias is being transferred to the Vatican to head Catholic evangelization. Much better to stay back in Bombay and work on issues of poverty and social justice there. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Ariosto, Gilbert, Helga Your posts on this topic have been illuminating. I have not seen the movie or read the book and don't intend to, but thank you for the insights. Regards, George --- Ariosto J. Coelho, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Contemporary Catholic, Christian, Believer or Seeker, Fact or Fiction? Whatever the case may be, permit me to offer my two cents in this discussion. I would count myself among the 65 millions or so who have read or heard this fictional novel. I have heard it on an audeo CD as I drove around the San Francisco Bay Area in 2005 and found it intriguing! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: The debate on reservations
The email below is one of the stupidest recently on Goanet. There ought to be a special category reserved for dumb emails and the email below tops the list. If people don't have anything intelligent to say about an issue, valuable bandwidth should not be wasted. Even as humour it fails miserably and reads like a veiled attempt to further discriminate against marginalized groups while trying to be funny. Regards, George The debate on reservations (Author unknown) Whether you are for or against reservations, here is a NEW ANGLE :-)) I think we should have job reservations in all fields of endeavor. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for Muslims, 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST, etc. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century. We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal. Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC athlete should run only 80 meters. There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and politicians (that should really help the country...) Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of helping the country...) Let's be creative and think of more ways and means to guide INDIA forward and help all Indians... Long live the good breed of politicans like ARJUN SINGH :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Velcao-Pale Education Society
The Board of Directors of Goa Sudharop wish to thank the following donors: Mike Flo de Souza; Lance de Souza; Stephen Neesha da Silva; Guido, Siklinda, Cora and Iona da Costa-Pereira; Mark, Heather and Andrew Pereira; Bismark Antonetta da Costa; for their generous contribution to the Velcao-Pale Education Society (Infant Jesus Academy) in Velcao-Cansaulim, Goa. These funds will help establish a laboratory in memory of Mrs. Maria Clovina Pereira and create a library for the needy children in memory of Audrey da Costa Hernandez. Sincerely, Goa Sudharop, www.goasudharop.org World G.O.A.N. Network _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Review of the Review by the Reviewer
Hi Avelino Please note the adverse response you received was from one confused cybergoan, who has a history of shooting from the hip and embarrassing himself in cyberspace. Many of us value and appreciate your forwards - do not be discouraged. Regards, George --- D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilbert, Let me remind you once again that I posted the review for awareness of Holy Warriors and comments, what I got in bargain are tons of accusations of all shades and color. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Review on the Reviewer
Hi Gilbert, You cannot write about Goan ayatollahs, wading in boots through some Goan posts and write negatively of Goan character and not expect a taste of your own medicine. I am glad you made an apology to the good Avelino. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goan voices book
From Ruth DeSouza .. A Collection of Goan Voices: Stories by People of Goan descent edited by Susan Rodrigues has just been published. As it is a no royalty option, anyone can download the book for 'free' or order a copy from the website: www.lulu.com where you will be charged for the book and postage. My mother Ivy has written a story for the book. http://www.lulu.com/content/273359 Ruth DeSouza _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: KING BABUSH REIGN ASSURED in GOA?
--- Sachin Phadte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey has given a good information on the rise of Babush, and his likely role in the future. I think it would be useful if Babush can spell out his views on issues other than development of Panaji. For example, how is he going to improve the education system, create more employment opportunities, help the tourist industry, etc.? This will give the voters of Goa a good idea of what is going to happen. Sachin, I am sure you are serious when you ask for a Goan politican's vision. The short answer is: rupees in their pocket. What increases the loot is the vision. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Reservations rears its ugly head again!
Dear Jason I am in agreement with you and Elisabeth regarding the need for primary education across the board and enforcing laws which ban discrimination against marginalized groups and other minorities who are intentionally left out of the system. In reality that is not happening. Hence, the need for 'reservations'. How else would you get Dalits equal access and opportunity. Regarding the IIM and IITs, I think it is a point in my favor. Who benefits? Those who have a good education, middle-class and upwards can access the system. Then they get good paying jobs and are rewarded financially. They build wealth for themselves and their children and the unjust cycle continues - the haves have more and the have-nots have nothing. How and where do Dalits and other marginalized groups get in? The technology which comes out of the IITs does help, but how much? Does a computer, jet airplane, etc. help the rural farmer? Does it help the Dalit who is left to clean streets, toilets, and other low-paying work? Or is it building IPods, plasma TVs, race cars? Some years ago, people complained when the so-called 'backward' classes were hired as stewardess and stewards on Indian Airlines and Air India. Any number of objections were raised but in time progress has been made and some discrimination stopped. To answer your question, yes I would allocate IIM and IIT seats NOW to marginalized groups and we will all be better off in the long run, rather than a narrow segment of society gaining the benefits of society and a large group suffering its burdens. Regarding merit, I am not convinced the best get to the top anyway. Henry Ford III (grandson of the founder), George W. Bush, etc. got where they were on family privilege, wealth, etc. That is often the case than 'merit' alone. Regards, George --- Jason Monserrate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear George, Do think the problem of reservations in educational institutes can be equated to the case you have mentioned (a single tennis court in the village)? Let me reframe it for you with a few changes in your own words or Prof. Wassermanâs words There are seven IITs and six IIMs in India. These are very critical because the output of graduates from these institutions plays a pivotal role in major organisations worldwide which will define what you and I will call technological progress 10 or 20 years from now. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Reservations rears its ugly head again!
Dear Elisabeth I wish the meritorious would play tennis so that another tennis court could be built for others. If one is built at all, it is for the rich to play between their tanning sessions, massage parlors, and manicures. Unfortunately, the pie is not growing bigger for the poor; wealth is increasing for the top few (even in developed nations and so-called egalitarian societies). Wealth is neither trickling down nor is it distributed with any sense of justice (I am not saying equally but with any sense of justice). Capitalism as Adam Smith envisioned is not working for the vast majority. It works for Bill Gates. I see the USA has had some limited success with Affirmative Action (some might want to call it 'reservations' although Affirmative Action spans a vast gamut of options). Affirmative Action did two things: 1. it enforced laws which ban discrimination, and 2. it set aside jobs (call it reservations or quotas or whatever you like) for those who have been marginalized. This two-pronged approach helped women and minorities advance. Yes, there might be instances of reverse discrimination but at the macro-level, it had some success. I can't see any other option besides reservations to get Dalits and other marginalized groups out of their current state. Regards, George --- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear George, You have given us an excellent example. I don't know what the original context of this example in the book was, but let me hypothesize a context. Let's suppose there is an inter-village Tennis tournament. The prize money for the tournament, is to be divided between the player and the clubhouse sponsoring the player. The player gets a percentage to do with it as he wishes. The club house's share is to be reinvested in another tennis court for the village. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: What do Christians believe?
--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to hold Bhudhists in higher esteem than Hindus, for certain reasons; but now that you are telling me that Bhudhists are also worshipping snakes, I have to put them in the same basket as Hindus. These are 'Basket Cases' indeed! Do you think and or approve of these groups' claim to being a 'Religion' then? I certainly do not accept these as Religion. At most they are cults of a very weird type, based on ignorance and hallucinations! Then these also worship, Monkey, Cow, Ganesh with elephant trunk, etc etc?? Nasci, Someone asked me in conversation a few weeks ago what is the worst (curse?) I could wish upon a right-wing religious fundamentalist. Since I do not wish people harm, even those who I disagree with, I said nothing. Later I thought about it some more. Here is what I wish befalls all right-wing religious fundamentalists: 5 minutes before they die I hope they discover that atheism is the truth and the correct answer. I am not saying it is the correct answer for me, but I hope they discover atheism. Those last 5 minutes of agony will compensate for a life-time of their bigotry. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa's great native saint - Blessed Joseph Vaz
Please share this message with your children and grandchildren as they honor their Goan roots and take pride in Goan achievements. Please also forward this message to your family and friends. April 21 is the 355th birth anniversary of Goa's great native saint, BLESSED JOSEPH VAZ. He was made Patron of the Archdiocese of Goa, Daman, Diu on Jan 16, 2000. Little is known about our own Indian-born saints with the emphasis typically on European saints. Pope John Paul II on the occasion of the Beatification I came to Sri Lanka above all to honor Blessed Joseph Vaz. Like a star shining in the Asian sky, this great spiritual guide teaches us many lessons about the goodness of the human person and the nobility of our destiny as human beings. January 21, 1995 Life of Blessed Joseph Vaz Apostle of Kanara and Sri Lanka (1651-1711) 1651 Born in Benaulim, Goa, India, on April 21. 1676 Is ordained a priest. Shortly after, volunteers to go to Sri Lanka where the Dutch were persecuting Catholics and had banned all priests from entering the island. The Chapter of Goa refuses his offer because the mission would have meant certain death for him. 1681 Is sent to rescue the almost extinct mission in Kanara, present-day Karnataka in India. Rebuilds the Church in Mangalore and Kanara, establishes missions, tends to the sick, ransoms prisoners. 1684 Returns to Goa and joins a band of native Indian priests who formed a community. 1685 Founds the Indian branch of the Oratory of St. Philip Neri, on September 25. 1686 Leaves Goa secretly and sets out for Sri Lanka. 1687 Arrives in Jaffna in the Tamil region of Sri Lanka, with a servant, John Vaz, both disguised as coolies. He works with a price on his head.1691 Is almost captured by the Dutch and is advised to go to Kandy. Is brought into Kandy in chains and imprisoned as a Portuguese spy by the Buddhist King, Vimaladharma Surya II. 1693 Works a miracle of rain during a severe drought. The King releases him and gives him protection and freedom to preach in his kingdom. As in Goa and in Mangalore, is often seen in ecstasy in prayer. The people call him Sammana Swami or Angelic Father. 1697 Is joined by three of his Indian Oratorians from Goa. During a small-pox epidemic in Kandy, the King and the people flee the capital. Fr. Vaz and Fr. Carvalho, tend to the dying and abandoned victims for almost two years. 1705 Dedicates the Shrine of Our Lady of Madhu. 1711 Dies in Kandy on January 16, after 23 years of arduous missionary work in Sri Lanka. The Work of Blessed Joseph Vaz His missionary work was not colonial, not helped, authorized, associated with conquest by a colonial power. He gained the protection of a non-Christian King, Vimaladharma Surya II of Kandy, a devout Buddhist. He used inculturation as a missionary method. He founded a Catholic para-liturgy and literature using the two languages and cultures of Sri Lanka, Tamil and Sinhalese; he practiced and taught Meditation. He educated his servant John Vaz, a member of the Indigenous tribe of Kunbis, and sent him back to Goa with a letter of recommendation to the priesthood. At that time, the Portuguese Church Councils reserved the priesthood only for the two higher castes in Goa. He founded the miraculous Shrine of Our Lady of Madhu, one of the five officially crowned Marian Shrines of the Church, crowned in 1924, before Fatima. He is the first non-European native in modern times to found a Mission and Church in a Third World country; to found a fully native Catholic Religious Congregation; and to be given the official title of Apostle (of Kanara and Sri Lanka) by the Church, for his work in rescuing the Church there. His Indian Oratorian Mission is the only fully native, non-European Catholic Mission of our colonial era. The Church he re-founded in Sri Lanka was persecuted and survived isolation from Rome for 140 years: Here is a country in which the faith was first preached, and a Church founded with great success to flourish for over a century, by missionaries who, being afterwards forced by the political failure of their nation to abandon the field, left this island for good and their converts... without churches or priests and under the heel of a persecutor; and a single priest (Joseph Vaz) from another country, came here of his own accord..and laboring heroically with a price upon his head, revived the faith and made many conversions in the teeth of persecution, imprisonment and hostility..(no) subsequent political, social, and ecclesiastical changes in the country were ever able to undo his work;it must be stated with caution and subject to correction, but no other instance of such an achievement is known in Christendom. Sri Lankan historian, Fr. S.G. Perera, S.J., from his book, The Life of the Venerable Father Joseph Vaz Novena Prayer for the Canonization of Blessed Joseph Vaz O God of infinite goodness! Full of confidence
[Goanet] Re: Excellencies!
Tony, add Ms. Governor or Mrs. Governor to the list. I look forward to the day when both India and the USA will say Mrs. President. Let's not forget women, even in our use of language! Regards, George --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At long last, 56 years after we adopted a Republican Constitution, has the Bar Council of India realized the incongruity of adressing judges in the Supreme Court and High Courts as My Lord and Your Lordship, when the First Citizen is addressed simply as Mr.President. However, the worthy representatives of this Mr.Presidentin the States continue to be addressed as Your Excellency - a clear hangover from our colonial past! They should rightly be addressed as Mr.Governor as is the practice followed in the U.S.A. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Reservations rears its ugly head again!
Hi Elisabeth Jason Although you have made good points, you are providing the stock middle-class response against reservations. Whether you agree or not, it is meant to maintain the status quo and preserve and protect what the middle-class and upper socio-economic classes have. Here is a question adapted from Prof. Richard Wasserstrom's essay on affirmative action. There is one tennis court in a village (a world of limited resources which we live in). Who among the following gets to use to the tennis court among the villagers? A. The village tennis star (merit based). B. A rich 65 year old woman who is willing to pay anything to play (wealth). C. Every villager gets 5 minutes (equality based). D. A poor family who has been discriminated against and never been allowed to play sport before in the village (opportunity based). Justice and equality is not pure, behind every claim for what is just and fair (including in the reservations debate) is someone's prejudices and biases. My answer is D. and C. above get first choice. What is yours? Regards, George P.S. Reservations does not have an ugly head (as the subject line suggests). It has a multi-faceted head. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Abrilachi 18vi, 2006!
--- domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devak don ravnnim asant: Ek sorgar ani dusrem upkari kallzan. (God has two dwellings: One in heaven and the other in a thankful heart.) Hi Dominic, It is good of you to take the time to post these messages. Perhaps I have not noticed before but of late they seem like catechism class, invariably referencing God. Any crisis or religious necessity or special need to promote God? You don't seem the type to wear his religion on his sleeve in public. Just curious. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Easter reflections of an agnostic
Gilbert, you did not take your own advice and see the door which Elizabeth opened for you: agnosticism. Regards, George --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a quote says, When a door closes another one opens. But often we stand there so long looking at the closed door, that we do not see the one that's opened. Elisabeth Carvalho: I enjoyed reading everyone's Easter reflections so I thought I'd share my own, sans the bitter coffee ofcourse :)) Being an agnostic is a very freeing experience. It's also a painful process. It begins with a lot of questions and ends with a certain amount of despair. Anyway, I had a wonderful Easter with my family. It was a dark, gloomy day, perfect for staying in, eating Pulau and reflecting on the small joys of life. Elisabeth _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Reservation rears its ugly head again!
What should be done for those who have no opportunity to lift themselves up from poverty? How are they supposed to compete on merit with those who have had the luxury of several generations of middle class upbringing and living, access to schools, and family wealth to pursue their interests? Specifically, how are the downtrodden supposed to gain the benefits of society and not suffer all its burdens, given that charity is not a long-term solution? Regards, George --- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reservation system in India is like a two headed snake that spits out venom and hurts the very people it is supposed to protect. Arjun Singh, HRD minister of India is set to impose an almost 50% OBC reservation in government-funded higher institutions of education. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: What do Christians believe? (to George P)
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- Hi Nasci, I am not disputing your right to be sexist or your right to religious chauvinism (to put it mildly). Please don't misunderstand me. I am hopeful that a young man like you (I think you are about 60) will in time cross from the backwaters of intolerance to the progressive shores of tolerance. Not to belabor a point but this is what you initially wrote I am reproducing the 'CREED' which is what Christians believe and pledge, as part of the Faith, on an everyday basis. Christians DO NOT believe what you wrote, Roman Catholics (yes they are Christians) believe what you wrote. As I indicated there are VARIOUS Christian creeds. Now try and be grateful for having learnt something. Are Catholics not Christian? The short answer is yes. Are post-Vatican II Catholics more Catholic than the current lot? Since you were born before Vatican II, which Nasci is the better Catholic - pre or post Vatican II? So whatever Catholics profess is automatically Christian! Catholics do not profess with one voice. Some believe in the Latin rite, others don't. Some believe in women priests, others don't. Some believe in married priests, others don't. Which Catholics are you referring to? Did you not hear about the 'Cult killings of children in a village in N. India, as early as this past week, Did you hear about the all the crimes Christians committed this week all over the world? I did, pick up any newspaper or turn to any channel on television. Let me tell you: Jesus is the Answer! inspite of all the Church's perceived faults or mistakes. OK? Which Jesus? There are so many different versions, it is hard to keep track. Or are we all to believe Nasci's version of Jesus? Btw, the current version of Jesus is not the answer (as practiced today by the right-wing fundamentalists and the Christian right in the USA). In fact the historical Jesus would not have probably shown up at the pomp and ceremony of the Pope's' election last year. And if he did, he might have been surprised at what has become of the religion he founded. With regards George! I am not against you, per se! Me too. I am in interested in ideas, correct ideas if I may say so. People bore me, some cyber-Goans even more so since they do not do their homework and then become defensive. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: What do Christians believe?
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what? It does not change the basic beliefs as in the Creed that I have just reproduced. So you agree that there is more than one Christian creed? And that those who may want to become Christian will be confused by which creed to adopt. Gender and sexism is all in your sexist mind! Actually, this is not your only incorrect statement nor the one most wrong. Gender exists in the real world, outside of my mind. It is not simply in my mind that you are male, but I suspect in the real world. Sexism exists almost everywhere, just ask some women you run into. In those days and even now, 'MAN' is normally used to denote the common or either / both sexes of humans! Only the most chauvinistic always use 'MAN'. Progressive people use 'Person', 'Human being, etc. Is Aussie colloqualism sexist? Yes, like in many other places, and in use of language. I am talking of the core of the Christian Faith, You are talking of Roman Catholicism, ONE of many Christian faiths. Personally I think there is most wrong, almost everything wrong in being a 'Muslim' and a 'Hindu religious', not Hindu as one just born in India (Hindia). Comments like the above give the Taliban and RSS a good name. It isn't merely religious bigotry, but right-wing fundamentalism. If you wish to really discuss, then start one with your own topic. Please do not mix up your 'shady outmoded' thinking with my topic. OK? Your right to post on a topic does not prempt my right to respond ;-) And even then, you have no high hopes of being a 'St George Pinto' or Pope George! :-) :-) I would prefer Blessed Vaz and Venerable Agnelo became saints. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: From Goa Sudharop
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent news !! Where is this specific SVP facility located in Bardez ? Saligao. Goa Sudharop - Doing with your money, what you wish to do, for Goa and Goans! Thank you for your kind words. George Pinto wrote on Fri Apr 14 15:37:03 PDT 2006: The Board of Directors of Goa Sudharop would like to thank the donor family who has donated generously through Goa Sudharop towards the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, Conference of Mae de Deus shelter for the underprivileged (Bardez). The family wishes to remain anonymous. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: What do Christians believe?
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this time of 'Easter 2006', I am reproducing the 'CREED' which is what Christians believe and pledge, as part of the Faith, on an everyday basis. There are many Christian creeds, see http://www.creeds.net/. I have read creeds which do not stress the Gender (Father) but offer more egalitarian, and less sexist views of God. I pray that the believers will grow stronger in the Faith; and that those who do not yet believe, will do so and become Christian! What a Wonderful World! I pray it will be a much more wonderful world if people do not become Christian, at least not the narrow view advocated by some, including the current Pope. A better view would be women priests, no discrimination based on sexual orientation, diversity of saints, diversity of Popes, etc. And I would add there is nothing wrong with being Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Parsi, atheist, agnostic, etc. Long live a secular world. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: I saw this on another forum....George
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- Teotonio is right with respect to his first paragraph below, it is from GRN and can be credited as such (at least that is where I saw it). However, the author's name appeared clearly. As regards his second paragraph, I have no comment on any inter-cybergoan group policies (rivalry?) as I do not moderate or set policies on either forum. However, Teotonio brings up an interesting point: are postings on a public forum the authors, or the administration? Is there a certain copyright on postings in a public forum (copyleft as Fred might say) which belongs to the forum? Regards, George --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, George is right. Must have seen it on goa-research-net. The format of paragraphs is ditto. Goanet administration does not like that others steal its postings without acknowledgement. I was told it takes them much time and effort to edit. Should not forget the efforts of others as well. Teotonio R. de Souza GRN Moderator _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] From Goa Sudharop
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- The Board of Directors of Goa Sudharop would like to thank the donor family who has donated generously through Goa Sudharop towards the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, Conference of Mae de Deus shelter for the underprivileged (Bardez). The family wishes to remain anonymous. Goa Sudharop, www.goasudharop.org _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] A Goan girl in Antarctica
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- I saw this on another forumGeorge * A Goan girl in Antarctica By Nandkumar Kamat Courtesy: - New frontiers, the Navhind Times, Panaji, Goa, April 12, 2006 She traveled to the icy continent of Antarctica as if she were an experienced voyager. The enthusiasm, grit and determination of Miss Dipti Vilas Gawas Dessai from Sheldem Quepem, a research scholar of the department of Marine sciences, Goa University, is an objective lesson for the Goan students, especially young women, aspiring to conquer greater and greater heights. Dipti was a member of the 23 member special reconnaissance expedition sent by National Centre for Antarctica and Ocean research (NCAOR), Vasco. A Ocean going Russian vessel Academician Boris Petrov' was chartered for this purpose. The expedition was led by Mr. M. Sudhakar. It left Goa on 25 January and returned on April 1 after logging some 25,000 kilometres during its' voyage. I was happy to listen from Dipti about her experience on board of the ship and the exciting moments when they spotted the first icebergs and knew that they were close to their destination. The government of India has already set up two permanent base stations in Antarctica-Gangotri and Maitri. There are plans to set up another permanent base station near Larsemann hills and Mcleod base station. Before the splitting of the supercontinent `Pangea' the southern and western parts of India were attached to northern and north-eastern Antarctica. So there are several geological and petrological features which are common in South India and this icy southern continent. The photographs shown by Dipti reminded me of the large granite boulders of Goa's picturesque Palolem beach. These are known as Canacona granite dated back to 2.5 billion years. Dipti hails from Sheldem-Quepem close from the place which is known for another very ancient rock formation- the Chandranath granite. She traveled almost 1 kilometres to land on a rocky, icy continent to find a place which was geologically closer to Quepem. Dipti had been my student for a few months when I was teaching her M.Sc. Marine sciences class. They were already exposed to the ocean cruises on `Sagarkanya and ` Sagarpurvi. Dipti works on a project supervised by the dean of the faculty of life sciences and environment, a well known Marine scientist, Prof. G. N. Nayak. Prof. Nayak is an expert on mining and environment. Dipti works under him on a project sponsored by government of India alongwith another colleague Mr. Tomchu Singh from Manipur University. When Prof. Nayak offered both of them an opportunity to join the NCAOR special expedition to study the ocean chemistry and sedimentology, there was no looking back. Dipti recalls that it was just about a month when they had to prepare themselves. They had to undergo medical examination. They had to collect their sampling and analyticaldevices and plan for the two month long trip. Dipti's parents encouraged her to participate. She was just one of the three women in the team. The expedition left Marmagoa harbour on January 25. On the way to Port Louis, Mauritius, the ship collected water and sediment core samples. Around February 10, they reached Port Louis and loaded the ship with the required cargo for non stop voyage to the southern sea. In the last week of February they spotted the first icebergs. When they reached close to Larsemann hills on 24 February, the ship anchored in the sea surrounded by huge icebergs and the Russian sailors lowered boats to ferry them to the mainland. The subzero temperature did not deter the team. The Penguins and sea gulls welcomed them as the team had the first footfall close to the Larsemann hills. The previous Indian expedition had left behind a modular, prefabricated shelter an `Igloo', which the team located. They walked across the sheets of ice on bare rock. Except stray lichens there was no patch of life. Dipti collected samples from a frozen lake after drilling a hole in the surface ice sheet. The weather was turning ugly. The team continued to collect samples for four days but there was a danger of blizzards. Weather at earth's poles is highly unpredictable. On February 28, as the climatic conditions showed further deterioration and the Sea began freezing , the expedition decided to call it a day. On their return voyage they collected water samples at regular intervals. The ship has facilities for storing and analyzing the samples. The
[Goanet] From Goa Sudharop: Rachel Soares
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Goa Sudharop is pleased that one of our young volunteers Rachel Soares (daughter of Anslim and Odelia Soares) from California is the receipient of a 2005-2006 National Health Service Corps Scholarship. See http://uscnews.usc.edu/detail.php?recordnum=12292 We are happy to acknowledge our hardworking young adults for their commitment and dedication to the community. We wish Rachel (University of Southern California) all the best in her field as a Physician Assistant and thank her for her dedication and service to the underprivileged. Congratulations Rachel on this well deserved National honor. Goa Sudharop World G.O.A.N. network _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Dabolim and Mopa
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- gilbert menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Anthony, Im glad you posted the piece below. Because Alemao is not bothered about Dabolim or you and me, or how people would go to the Margao rly station. He is bothered about the taxi drivers of South Goa, who are his vote banks in the next local elections. Let me put things into perspective, and illustrate my point about the local politicians. For the past 40 years, there is a mafia of 10 black and yellow taxis running between Margao and Colva, Gilbert, 1. 10 black and yellow taxis - even if there represent a vote bank, how big a vote bank could 10 represent? 2. What about the argument that Dabolim can accomodate all the civilian flights with the present passenger load, whether or not the Navy vacates Dabolim (as it should). That argument against Mopa does not rely on vote banks, even if the MP is not making it. i.e. there is a legitimate argument made by some that Dabolim can accomodate the passenger load (now and in the future) without the need for Mopa and without regard to vote bank politics. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Is the Goan citizen getting a fair share, if any, from Goa's mineral wealth ?
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Ralph, excellent questions. Is there any article on this topic? George --- ralph rau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone on Goanet enlighten us readers about the basis on which the mine owners in Goa received the right to exploit the states mineral wealth. What is the basis on which this wealth is shared between state lease owner. Was any windfall tax imposed on the mine owners to claim a share of their astronomical profits during the last boom. Finally what is the constitutional basis on such mine owners to continue their ownership of mineral assets when all over the country such wealth is in the hands of the state corporations. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: A dog by any name still smells...
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Thanks Helga. I just noticed two spelling errors when I wrote unfullfilled potentional. I meant unfulfilled potential. Regards, George --- Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah Cecil, Mopa is a great name for your pup! Then you can call him Mops or Moppie. There is so much you could do with Mopa - Good work George! Unless you want to go with the old classic 'Poppy'. I remember as a kid almost every other dog was called Poppy. These Poppies hung around in heaps and were sharp barkers. --- George Pinto wrote: If there is a dispute about ownership, call it 'Dabolim'. For promise made that might never be, call it 'Mopa'. For unfullfilled potentional, call it 'Goa'. I am sure cyber-Goans can come up with creative names. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] A memorable Friday afternoon - April 7, 2006
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- I had the good fortune, pleasure and privilege of meeting Prof. Amartya Sen (Nobel Prize in Economics 1998) while he visited Stanford University yesterday and where he discussed the late John Rawls' attempt at a transcendental theory of justice. Prof. Sen offered his own view of comparative theories of justice (with tremendous wit and humor I might add). Most memorable from the lecture was another Nobel Prize winner, Prof. Kenneth Arrow (1972), standing up at the end and asking Prof. Sen a question. I almost fell off my chair watching this rare sight of one Nobel prize winner questioning another. After the lecture I invited Prof. Sen for tea which he kindly accepted as he had an hour or so before attending his wife's guest lecture, also at Stanford University. I asked him what was his biggest challenge in setting up his non-profit in India with his Nobel prize money. If I understood him correctly, he said 'project management'. I told him that was my experience too in Goa - there is no shortage of good people with good intentions and good causes but administratively NGO's in Goa lack the operational efficiencies I see in the West, particularly the USA (that is a topic all by itself). I mentioned his inclusion as #8 in the Global Intellectuals Poll. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_2005_Global_Intellectuals_Poll. Although he belongs on that list, I am not sure why Milton Friedman (some of whose views I disagree with) did not initially show up and media people like Tom Friedman and Paul Krugman (also an economist but better known as a NYT columnist) do. Prof. Sen is 73 years old and I suggested he ought to be the next President of India (he is an Indian citizen), having done the country proud. He said his views are not popular with the BJP, his secular credentials don't sit well with them and the job is something he never thought of. He visits India about 5 times a year. A man of tremendous achievements and international stature, it might not be a stretch to see him as President of India (I am not sure if there is any age limit). After a few pleasantries about our families (his kids visited Goa recently), I concluded by asking him the following question: how can theories of justice be applied effectively to the world to reduce poverty and inequality? It is a question that has always challenged my very limited intellect (even troubled me at times). How can a world of 6.5 billion people, tolerate the injustice of 3 billion illiterate, 3 billion with no access to basic education, health care, a billion plus in a state of war or strife and on the other hand a celebration of greed and increased power/wealth to the elites with growing differences in income. Prof. Sen smiled, perhaps as a scientist does when asked to prove the existence of the supernatural. His life's works offers some answers and we are better off because of them. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Unbalanced CyberMatrimonials
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Do more married men read the Cybermatrimonials than unmarried? ;-) George --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This month's CyberMatrimonials have 11 females searching for a groom, and only 1 male searching for a bride. I wonder if this has any statistical significance in a contemporary sociological context? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: A dog by any name still smells...
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Cecil, Thanks for the humour. But relax. Make this a cyber-community dog. Put a picture on the net and have a dog-naming contest. If there is a dispute about ownership, call it 'Dabolim'. For promise made that might never be, call it 'Mopa'. For unfullfilled potentional, call it 'Goa'. I am sure cyber-Goans can come up with creative names. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goan makes the mark
Cornel, In response to my question if Mark was his son-in-law, Glibert wrote Hi George and Santosh, Thank you and I will pass on your good wishes and congratulations to our Supurlo Salgaumcar. Gilbert, see Cornel's query below. Regards, George --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, Surely Mark can't be Gilbert's son-in -law. Hopefully, Gilbert in the know, will let us know about any family connection. Cornel - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gilbert, is Mark your son-in-law? If he is, please convey Congratulations on his important appointment. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan makes the mark
Gilbert, is Mark your son-in-law? If he is, please convey Congratulations on his important appointment. Celibacy in the Church is not an abstract topic, 2 days ago in Saratoga (California) a priest was arrested for raping a woman in the same church where a priest 2 years ago was accused in the sex-abuse scandal. I am not saying celibacy in the church leads to rape or sex-abuse or anything illogical like that, however, it is not an abstract topic. Regards, George --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Fernandes is a supurlo Goenkar with his roots in Saligao. He has a BE from Manipal, a Master's degree in Mechanical Engineering from Berkeley and a MBA from Harvard. Their company's investment is only for Institutions or big - really big investors (like endowments). I call on all cyberGoans to post a write up on a contemporary successful Goan who could be a role model to the rest of us. This would be a lot better than endless posts on: Before and After 1961, or Celibacy in the Church, or an abstract topic. Kind Regards, GL Considering Next Fund, Sierra Ventures Promotes Four By VentureWire Staff Reporters 3/31/2006 Sierra Ventures, an early-stage venture capital firm, promoted four senior investment professionals as it will likely raise its ninth fund later this year. The firm probably will be raising a fund, said Chief Financial Officer Martha Clarke Adamson. She would not provide details on the targeted size of the fund. Adamson said the promotions were not based on the fund-raising plans but rather the four people have just proven themselves. Mark Fernandes and Ben Yu have been named managing directors. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Goan Women's E-Book
Dear all, Please view the Goan Women's E-book at www.goasudharop.org. Go to the Home page and click on Women's E-Book (on the left). The book is a tribute to Goan women and a small start. We welcome any comments and additional submissions, and will expand the E-Book accordingly. Goa Sudharop would like to thank the authors and all those who made this E-book possible. The views expressed are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect those of Goa Sudharop. Please send any comments or additional chapters to Filomena Giese at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (send in WORD format). The publisher reserves complete rights of publishing. Published by Goa Sudharop Community Development, Inc. (USA) www.goasudharop.org, World G.O.A.N. network _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Desperate Goan Housewives
Cecil's brilliant humour warrants a book. May be released at the same time as Dominic's? Regards, George --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desperate Goan Housewives All is not as it seems in Dona Paula... By Cecil Pinto _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] 1961 2006, then and now
Jose Colaco wrote: Having said that: 1: It is true that Goans were NEVER asked what they wanted. It is highly possible that a majority of Goans (in 1961) would (if given the choice) have voted to be a part of Nehru's India than of Salazar's Portugal. Turning back the clock to 1961... 1. Let's say Goans were allowed to vote after Nehru's action and they chose to be an independent country. Where would they be today? Answer: Corrupt politicans, ineffective govt., apathetic population and diaspora. 2. Let's say Goa became part of a neighboring state. Where would they be today? Answer: Corrupt politicans, ineffective govt., apathetic population and diaspora. 3. Let's say Goans became a part of India and subsequently a state (which they did). Where would they be today? Answer: Corrupt politicans, ineffective govt., apathetic population and diaspora. 4. Let's say they voted to be an overseas Portuguese province. Where would they be today? Answer: Corrupt politicans, ineffective govt., apathetic population and diaspora. Should it matter where you start if you end up in the same place? Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: AIDS HIV
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only lifestyle way to prevent AIDS is NOT to have sex with anybody other than one's spouse. This couple from Bardez (Aldona) decided they would not have sex with anybody including each other as a complete precaution to prevent getting AIDS. The wife had just got pregnant and giving up sex during Lent was a sacrifice too. One day last month, at the Mapusa Friday market, the wife fell down on an infected drug needle and contracted the disease. The husband heard of her fall and rushed to the market. On the way he met with an accident in Siolim and received a blood transfusion but the blood was infected with the HIV virus and he now has AIDS. The wife who is expecting, may give birth to a child who has the disease. All because the couple did not have sex. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: 101'st Goan NRI 4Rum formed
Lianne, this is very funny. Thanks for the humour, enjoyed it. Regards, George --- Lianne Rodricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 101st Goan NRI 4-Rum formed in Cy-BAR space. (because I just had to be one up on George) Im a Goan NRI so Im qualified to join the rat race .or should I say The Crab Race (all puns intended.!!!) My Organization will be different from Georges as it will be called the 101st Gulf-Goan United Front and Back-less (read: spineless) NRI (Newly Repatriated from an Institution) Forum (read: for-Rum since all the others have been for-Feni all these years) of the Goan Diaspora spread out (read: disunited) all over the Gulf. I have no Agenda .hidden or otherwise, and till such time that I find another like-minded member to join my Organization .I like the term office-BAREers so I will be the Founder President the Chairwoman (not to be misconstrued with Charwoman) and will hold every other office/r that I deem fit. I/we will aim to promote Communal Harmony and Musical Harmony too. After all Goans are so Musical that orchestrating any form of dis-harmony comes easy to us. Look at our Ministers and how easily they play Musical Chairs in Goa. Weve learnt from the best, and are represented by the best! And yes! I promise to clutter cyberspace with my volumes of yellow journalism and first hand reports. The average report will be 10 pages long snooze fests.even if they're about a Kindergarten singing competition in Kuwait or a back-alley inter-village Football Tournament..zz's I/we propose that we have an Annual May-Queen Dance on the same day that any other Goan Club announces their show. And when in Goa, I will make the rounds of the secretariat introducing myself to all and sundry as the Honourable President, thus currying favour with the Powers that be so I can get permission to build an illegal boundary wall to my property and erect an illegal shack that encroaches on the Hi-tide restricted land. I will invite all the Mini-sters (the prefix mini describes their IQ adequately) who are from one Camp (those who favour Mopa and/or Konkani in Roman Script)on one day and the ones from the other Camp on another. Thats diplomacy Goan ishtyle ..not to be misinterpreted as Wendells Style in any way. Just hope none of the Ministers crosses the floor at midnight because then Ill have to invite them twice. Suggestions welcome (but wont be taken into consideration). So there you have it ..Goas newest FOUR-RUMs My NRI Goan Forum will be the Best So mar-shendi and to hell with the Rest And the secret to what inspired this rhyme? Two parts Rum and a generous dash of lime Further comments can be sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anyone who is silly enough to take this seriously will be invited to be immediate Past President of this 4Rum.) Lianne
[Goanet] Concert: Negro Spirituals
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- FYI - Dear Friends, I will be giving a concert of Negro Spirituals this Sunday, March 26th at 2:00 pm. It will take place at St. Emydius Church (286 Ashton Avenue, San Francisco, California - off of Ocean Avenue). Admission is free, but donations are welcome. Sorry for the late notice. Please feel free to forward this invite to anyone else who you think might be interested in this genre. Hope you can make it!!! Patricia Barboza
[Goanet] Re: Priests and non-Catholics in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- - Basilio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Priests in Goa and in the rest of India do social work of all types, conduct sports activities, build schools and community facilities, they run schools, dispensaries, they educate, assist the unemployed to get jobs by putting a good word or using their friendships, they mediate family disputes; and you name it, they do, besides burying the dead, baptizing the infants, marrying the marriage-ables, celebrating the eucharisy, and feats, etc. etc The word 'priest' if I am not mistaken, derives from the Greek word meaning 'elder'. Christ often used the word priest as 'sheperd'. There have been approximately 15,000 Goan priests in the last 300 years, and appoximately 2,000 nuns. Their work historically was understood in the context of elder and sheperd. However, in the last 40 years or so, some in Goa have become active in social justice issues, reflecting a world-wide trend. Post-Vatican II, they have crossed the road and commune with the laity, a good thing. I could be very wrong, but in 50 years or so, I can see service and social justice as their primary role, with scholarship a very minor activity. I agree with Basilio, Goan priests (and nuns) are an imperfect lot - just like the rest of us. Long live imperfection. Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: ABBE FARIA STAMP
This is the best news on this forum in quite awhile. Action, not words. Congratulations to Dom and those who assisted him. Disappointing only 283 have signed the petition. In addition to Goan apathy, it may be the online petition process is something new to Goans? George --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A maquette of the Abbe Faria stamp/postcard has been prepared by one of the three countries petitioned to, and while official confirmation is awaited, there is encouraging reason to be optimistic that an Abbe Faria stamp will be issued on the occasion of his 250th birth anniversary (May 31, 2006). To date, 283 have signed the petition. However, the opportunity still awaits for everyone else who may wish to be on the record in this effort to get what could well be the first Goan name and face in the Philatelic galaxy. http://www.abbefaria.com/Petition.htm
[Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
--- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To avenge and prevent ghastly murders like that of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao in Macazana, Salcette, Goa, I hereby urge the Congress Government of Goa CM Pratapsingh Rane and the leader of the opposition Manohar Parrikar to declare that the perpetrators Amit Shukla and Manish Dhubey be arrested and brought to Justice in Goa by widely televised Public Stoning and Cruxifiction Upside Down in the Margao Maidan on Good Friday, 2006. No long drawn out court cases for these murderers. If the Goa Police is not capable of carrying out this punishment, may be they should seek the help of the Government of Saudi Arabia. In haste, let us not crucify justice. The accused have not been found guilty in a court of law. Not yet at least. Two years ago or so, some boys were falsely accused in the Arts College rape case. Their reputations shot and the vigilantes had them sentenced before a trial. Many have not had the decency to withdraw their false accusations, including notable people who jumped on the accusation bandwagon. The wheels of justice may not move at the same speed as the public's anger - a good thing for a civilized society. P.S. It is not up to the Goa Police to carry out punishments - regardless of their interrogation techniques. i.e. were the confessions coerced to please the public? Let the trial determine guilt. Also the Saudi govt.'s sense of justice should not be emulated in Goa (or any place for that matter). May Fr. Eusebio Ferrao rest in peace. Regards, George
[Goanet] CELEBRATE GOA - Thank you from Goa Sudharop
Thanks to all who attended, performed, volunteered and helped with the Goa Sudharop CELEBRATE GOA event in Milpitas, California on March 19, 2006. An overflow crowd enjoyed Goan culture on display. Apologies to those who had to stand at the back of the hall due to the very large crowd. A Goan lunch was provided at a nominal cost, followed later by tea and Goan sweets/snacks. A Konkani tiatr, Goan Mando group, an adult Goan corrindinho group, a children's corrindindo group presented aspects of Goan culture to the San Francisco Bay Area community (Goans, non-Goans). In addition, members of the Konkani Association and Portuguese community presented cultural items. The event was held to showcase aspects of Goan culture. The Goa poster exhibit will continue through the end of the month in Milpitas. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] 100th Non-resident Group formed
One might suspect Pedro Alphonso D'Souza Fernandes Dacosta Pereira was a whole community, but in reality he is a single Goan. He has the honor of founding the 100th Non-Resident Goan group in the last 10 days and has just annouced this NRG group on 27 different Goan cyber-forums (please contact him if you know of more than 27 Goan forums so he can expand the announcement). I had the opportunity to chat with Pedro and asked him with a name like that, are you sure you are Goan? Not sure he said, but he vaguely recalls growing up in the West and his parents urged him to Go on Pedro, trying to motivate him in life. Goan Pedro is how he was referred to in high school, hence his affinity for Goa. When he heard of the latest fad to hit Goa - start a NRG goan group - he decided he would join the bandwagon. When did you last visit Goa I asked him. Never, he replied, like most of the other NRGs. Isn't Goa south of Japan, and east of Spain, he inquired. Yes, I replied, so is Singapore, Malaysia and a few other places too. What is your agenda and aims for your NRG group, I asked him. None as of yet came his reply. I want to be like all the other NRG groups: make grand annoucements without the slightest clue of what we want to do. He added he also wanted free meals at the next Goa govt. NRI [sic] Gomantak Sammelan and freeload like the others. He would also like a free pass to the next IFFI. What can Goa do for me, that's what he thinks NRGs should ask. Never mind what they can do FOR Goa, since they have not lifted a finger in the past and don't intend to now. However, Pedro insists, he is going to break the apron-strings with the Catholic church and will not invite a priest to the inauguration of his group. This will promote communal harmony, a secular move he added. I support communal harmony, he went on, even if I have done nothing in my life to promote it. In fact, I must be Goan he explained since I joined many thousand others in protesting the recent communal riots while watching re-runs of American Idol on TV. Why don't you get your NRG group to promote communal harmony in Goa, I suggested - that is a worthwhile aim. Yes, Pedro agreed but that would mean giving up 'Desperate Housewives' re-runs on TV too. So now you know the truth. Regards, George
[Goanet] Feni
Will they make a special dispensation to consume feni during lent? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060315/ap_on_re_us/st__patrick_s_beef Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Dubya goes to India
It is difficult for me to believe this meeting happened or that Bush raised the issues he did as reported in the article below. If he was that serious about India and democracy he would not have waited until his 5th year in office to visit India. In fact, if he was serious about democracy in the Muslim world and promoting it, he would have taken time on this trip to visit nearby Bangladesh (a young Muslim democracy of 140+ million) where I think 3 govt's have had 3 women leaders. It is a good example rather than his visit to a dictator in Pakistan. Regards, George --- Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article in its entirety can be found at.http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1635835,0035.htm Dubya's L'Affaire India' Pramit Pal Chaudhuri New Delhi, February 26, 2006 In early 1999, George W. Bush met with eight foreign policy advisors, collectively known as the Vulcans, in his ranch at Crawford, Texas. He was preparing for his White House bid. They were there to tell him about the world. Well into the briefing, Bush interrupted: Wait a minute. Why aren't we talking about India? The Vulcans - who included Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz - looked at each other. India didn't matter, they explained. Bush's response: You're wrong. He gave three reasons.
[Goanet] Re: To Polarize a Vote Bank
Nice article and perspective. Thanks Valmiki. Regards, George --- Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TO POLARIZE A VOTE BANK By Valmiki Faleiro Communal riots in Goa, the land of Lord Parashurama? I happen to be of Aryan descent, albeit of the �corrupted' (*bhatil'lo*) variety. I love the Parashurama legend, but cannot accept it for the sheer weight of evidence to the contrary. As much as I cannot accept that the Curchorem trouble bears communal, rather than political, overtones.
[Goanet] Fostering world peace?
SEGWAY CREATOR LOOKING TO BRING WATER AND ELECTRICITY TO WORLD'S POOR http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/16/technology/business2_futureboy0216/index.htm BUSINESS 2. 0 - Dean Kamen, the engineer who invented the Segway, is puzzling over a new equation these days. An estimated 1.1 billion people in the world don't have access to clean drinking water, and an estimated 1.6 billion don't have electricity. Those figures add up to a big problem for the worldÂand an equally big opportunity for entrepreneurs. To solve the problem, he's invented two devices, each about the size of a washing machine that can provide much-needed power and clean water in rural villages. Eighty percent of all the diseases you could name would be wiped out if you just gave people clean water, says Kamen. The water purifier' makes 1,000 liters of clean water a day, and we don't care what goes into it. And the power generator makes a kilowatt off of anything that burns. . . . The electric generator is powered by an easily-obtained local fuel: cow dung. Each machine continuously outputs a kilowatt of electricity. That may not sound like much, but it is enough to light 70 energy-efficient bulbs. As Kamen puts it, If you judiciously use a kilowatt, each villager can have a nighttime.
[Goanet] Goa petitions
Dear all, In addition to the Romi script Konknni petition, please sign the Abbe Faria stamp petition if you have not done so already. See http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?abbe250 In a short time, the Romi script Konknni petition has got 200 signatures, see http://www.petitiononline.com/KONKNNI/petition.html. More are needed. You do not have to be Goan to sign, all well-wishers are welcome to sign. Please pass this message on to your family, friends, and other contacts. Thank you. Regards, George Pinto World G.O.A.N. network
[Goanet] Re: Moral compass and the self-righteous denigration of atheism
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christianity is no longer guilt ridden, This must come as news to Catholics who go to confession. though it [Christianity] does provide a moral compass, which atheism does not provide, preferring whatever is convenient at any given time, of course within the legal system. Virtue ethics (Greeks) pre-dates Christianity. Utilitarianism, natural law, Kant all provide moral compasses, independent of Christian thought. So do Eastern (non-Christian) traditions. Regards, George
[Goanet] India begins mass slaughter of chickens
Bird flu is one state away from Goa... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_he_me/bird_flu_15;_ylt=AoQCgh44nzic_erUHRykHiqTvyIi;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl A case for a vegetarian diet? The bird flu crisis is an eye-opener into the larger issue of (in?) humane treatment of animals and poultry reared for human consumption. Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: FRIDAY BALCAO: Road Safety Traffic Management
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 24th February from 4pm. to 6pm. We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views My cyber-BALCAO view: the first thing which needs to be done is enforce existing traffic regulations. RTO's/Traffic police need to be held accountable for enforcing existing regulations. The fear of fines should be the first deterrent. Awareness, safety, and traffic management comes second. Regards, George
[Goanet] Romi script Konknni petition
Dear all, Please sign the petition so Romi script Konknni can be officially recognized. The petition is available online and can be accessed via the following URL: http://www.petitiononline.com/KONKNNI/petition.html Please pass this message on to your family and friends. Thank you. Regards, George Pinto World G.O.A.N. network
[Goanet] Re: Navy 'spooks' new Chinese destroyer
The argument against the Navy at Dabolim, is not an argument against the Navy in Goa, hence the phrase for those who keep insisting that the Navy has no *strategic* role to play from Goa is a red herring and straw man. Additionally, the Navy's refusal to let a few worshippers at a Church once a year on a Feast day, brings the Navy's supposed defense of freedom and democracy into question. Exactly whose freedom and democracy is it defending if citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights? Regards, George --- gilbert menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who keep insisting that the Navy has no *strategic* role to play from Goa, here is an example of just that. The targets in question were operating, in one case, near the gulf of aden, and in the other case near south Africa, thosands of miles away from our home bases. What the article hasn't mentioned is that it is the Navys constant peacetime role to be prepared for war, and to gather as much information about our prospective enemies.
[Goanet] Re: Getting what we pray for!
Very classy Gabriel. Very classy. George --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wrong to make that statement, and I withdraw it with apologies to anyone who may have been upset by that allegation. Sorry guys.
[Goanet] Re: Bernado's 100-word novel
Jose asked for Bernado's 100-word novel. For the 100-word novel, please repeat his 20-word novel below 5 times: A novel by Senhor Bernado Colaco - bharati invaders corrupting Goa; pre-1961 good. foreign exchange looted from Goa, non-liberation by saffronites. Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Salaam ali kum!
Cheers Gabe, may your God be with you. Is the salutation specific to a particular religion and hence, excludes others? Do Shites and Sunnis accept it equally? What about the Aga khanis? What about the non-coastal areas of East Africa or the coastal areas of West Africa? Would atheists and agnostics be offended by such a greeting? ;-) Regards, George Gabe wrote... RESPONSE: Thanks for that! I lived and worked in both Jeddah and Riyadh and very few people went through the formalityI am using the shortened version, as I prefer it; this style of greeting is widely used in the Coastal areas of East Africa, which had a strong connection with Omani Arabs. Also non Arab Muslims use this abbreviated style. Incidentally I was born and raised up in Nairobi, Kenya.
[Goanet] Re: ins kadamba
What is the other side of the story? What is the Archdiocese's position? Have they issued a public statement and if yes, what is it? It would be nice to know all sides. Btw, is the nation's defense golfing? Regards, George --- gilbert menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have a one sided account posted on goanet, and I will not bother to give you the other side. If this issue interests you so much, you can get it on your own. As far as I am concerned, Anjadiva was, and continues to be, an uninhabited island. I am glad it has been now put to good use for the nations defence. Who knows, I may also get to play Golf in Kadamba shortly. cheers Gilbert. From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder what our Navy man, Mr. Gilbert Menezes has to say about this, especially as to blatant violation of the terms that were agreed upon on the handover of Anjediva to the Navy.
[Goanet] Re: Cricket Fiasco!
Tony, 7 years ago, Pakistan was 26 for 6 before Moin Khan scored 70 and Pakistan beat India at Calcutta (deja vu!). The present Indian team has never scored more than 300 to win a test in the 4th innings, they scored about 250 in 2001 (Sri Lanka) and about 230 in 2004 (Australia) so there wasn't much of a chance they would score 600. Sometime ago, I posted an article which said cricket is a brahmin's game in India. May be time for the other castes to have a chance to redeem this dubious distinction. Regards, George --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUBIOUS DISTINCTION: We must be the first country in cricketing history to have lost a Test Match by 314 runs on the fourth day after winning the toss, putting the opponents in to bat, getting a hat-trick for no score in the very first over and having the opponents reeling at 26 for five and 90 for seven wickets at one stage! Some record indeed for a team claiming to have a formidable batting line-up. It is time for a reality check and some serious introspection. Forget the TV advertising shoots and get back to some serious practice sessions at the nets!
[Goanet] A great day in Goan history
Dr. Desai, we salute you and all the other pioneering medical Goan doctors around the Goan world who have done us proud. May your tribe increase. Regards, George --- Ramamurti Raut Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the twentieth anniversary [Feb 2, 1986] of the First open heart peration done in Goa. I am celebrating all alone as even the institution were I performed it has totally forgotten it. Those on TGF who would like to raise a toastfor the surgeon, Dr. Raut Desai, may do so at 9.00 PM IST. With regards, Dr. R. P. Raut Desai
[Goanet] Re: Goan expat social organizations
See response below which I received on this topic. Forwarding without comment. George ** The first big wave of migrants arrived in Britain in the 1960s 70s (many of them forced to leave Africa from job loss or expulsion) and' found themselves in an assertive and barely tolerant society in the West where they had to build their lives from scratch. Lacking confidence, specialised skills and such, they felt the need to hang together for mutual support. The Goans expelled from Uganda in 1972 promptly replicated what they knew best - they set up a social club to meet, greet, sing, dance, celebrate their feasts. They just didn't know how to open up to the Brits around them or even to the other South Asians. But today, as George said, the next gen has come of age - many have been born and educated here and they know Brit values and quirks. So should they adapt and integrate? Integration is a 2-way process: the problem is that the Brits are hardly prepared to meet you halfway while the new gen of Asians is hardly impressed by Brit popular culture - fishchips and pies, lots of beer, football, Christmas Panto. And as for higher culture, how many native Brits care for Shakespeare or classical music anyway? The Asians find their own culture pretty rich and don't have to give it up in favour of Brit 'values' whatever they are. In addition, as Asia is on the rise globally, Asians settled in the West are ever more convinced that their culture is here to stay. Where do the Goans fit into all this? - what culture do they have? Isn't most of it hybrid or in decay (devotion to SFX, a foreign saint; no saint of their own; a language (Konkani) that nobody cares to speak; fondness for western music dance forms). In short there is nothing original except their cuisine perhaps but the Punjabis, Bengalis or Gujaratis have their language, history, literature, food etc. Yet the Goans won't cross over to South Asian values wholly. I suspect many younger Goans (under 40) though are prepared today to associate with other Asians or whites, especially in the workplace. They may not even care to identify themselves as Goan or feel an attachment to Goa. So what then is the point of a Goan org today? In health, education, financial advice, justice issues, social services for the disabled or elderly, why have one's own org when there are specialist groups around? Wouldn't it be more useful to link up with Asian or mainstream orgs (including the local Council) that specialise in these areas? I think the Goans need to open up to others for cultural exchange. In short, I think a Goan org is needed only in the cultural area - to remind those who still feel Goan about their roots, religion, history. - a weekly community-specific drop-in for the older lot where they meet and chat with and discuss special issues (age-related problems etc) - annual social gatherings to celebrate village feasts. Why not? But for the bigger issues, let's go for the established organisations.
[Goanet] Re: Dr. Wilfred de Souza
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... is the case of Dr. Wilfred de Souza, my mentor and my teacher of Surgery...So, unfortunately, and against the advice of those who cared for Dr. Willie, and still care for him ...he left GMC and went into politics ( A step NO professional should ever consider doing) Jose, I have never met Dr. Wilfred de Souza (current Tourism Minister). About a month ago the GOAN OBSERVER named him Rat of the Year. In 2003 it named Mathany Saldanha, in 2004, Rane (if I remember correctly). The article described two phases of Dr. Wilfred de Souza - one honest, decent, non-corrupt. The other phase is different and post acquisition of a son-in-law: corrupt, hence Rat of the Year (one has to read the entire article as I may be over-simplifying). Is it your view that politics in Goa corrupts all, even professionals? Or is there another reason professionals should not be in politics? Regards, George
[Goanet] Time for a change - Goan expat social organizations
It is worth asking what useful purpose Goan organizations in the diaspora serve? 40-60 years ago with fairly significant Goan immigration out of Africa/Goa/India to England/Portugal/Canada and to a lesser extent to USA/Australia there was a need for Goan social organizations. Their annual events provided a forum for people to socialize and meet, in come cases survive the challenges of their new land. A typical Goan (Catholic) calendar of events which has not changed in decades: 1. Dance. 2. Picnic. 3. SFX feast. 4. Children's Christmas event. 5. Another occasion for a dance (pick some date). Today, the calendar needs to be updated if expat Goans want to modernize, integrate and come of age (the reasons in some case are obvious but too lengthy to discuss here). This change is needed if Goan organizations are going to truly serve their community, engage youth and have a future. In no particular order of importance, a current calendar may look like: 1. Investing in your future - health, education, finance, culture. 2. Self and community development - responsibilities and duties to yourself and others. 3. Understanding your roots/history in the larger context of world history. 4. Securing justice and equality for all in an interconnected, global world. 5. Maintaining your culture while living in the melting pot. 6. Goa's rich religious history - understanding various Goan traditions, including the secular tradition. Regards, George
[Goanet] State of field hockey in Goa
Goan football (soccer) seems to be thriving but what is the current state of field hockey in Goa? There was a time when Goans made the Olympic team. Is field hockey thriving in Goa today? How has it fared in the last 10-20 years? Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
--- JOANITA FERNANDEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, Is there a solution for the below mentioned problem? If so, what is the solution for this problem? Or are we just repeating on goanet the well know problem, just like the Goan politicians. Hi Cip, If you are asking what is my solution, the answer is no individual acting alone can effect change. There has to be collective answer to Goa's challenges and the initiative must come from the population, a majority of which are sadly indifferent to what is happening in Goa. As an expat Goan I have been careful not to provide answers and tell Goans what to do. Btw, did this issue come up at the NRI [sic] Goan convention recently or were NRGs busy begging for handouts from the Goa govt., including maintenance of their ancestral properties? Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
Mario, your poor comprehension of my posts in this thread should not stop you from contributing intelligently to this discussion. Please interrupt your mindless parroting of Republican propaganda on this forum and take the time to read carefully what is written. I have not lectured Goans on what they should do - the voters are free to elect any of the corrupt leaders they choose. They are also free to reach for the stars or the sewer. I support decisions Goans make democratically, if THEY are making the decisions. Regards, George --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see you are reduced to mindlessly parroting what I wrote As I said before, you are entitled to your opinion, but the Goans who live in Goa are making individual and collective decisions that they believe are in their best interests, and don't need self-serving non-residents to lecture them on what they ought to be doing, or warning them of dire consequences if they don't.
[Goanet] Re: DR JINDAL TO RESUSCITATE THE GMC
--- airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Dr J.N. Jindal's appointment as Dean of the Goa Medical College we can confidently predict a speedy recovery in the health of Goa Medical College(GMC). Dr. Jindal, a renowned neuro-surgeon himself, has been in Goa long enough and by now he has scanned and mastered the mind set of Goa's politicians. Just a thought - with a view to bridging GMC with medical institutions worldwide, would it be feasible to have the Dean periodically be a Goan doctor based abroad take the Dean's post for some time. Other benefits - skills-sharing, resource-sharing, a link for Goan doctors/nurses to opportunities abroad, etc. I envision Dr. Jose Colaco (Bahamas) as such a candidate, there are other well qualified Goan doctors throughout the globe. Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
Mario, I find it ironic that you, who don't even live in Iraq, are so concerned about what the Iraqis who live in Iraq etc. I am a Goan with one foot physically planted firmly outside Goa and one foot elsewhere, including ties to Goa. In this inter-conncected world, emotionally, musically, culturally, etc. - very Goan. Regards, George --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario observes: George, You are entitled to your opinion, but I continue to find it ironic that you, who don't even live in Goa, are so concerned about what the Goans who live in Goa individually and collectively choose to do or what they deserve, warning them of dire consequences as if they don't know what is in their best interests.
[Goanet] Re: Divest Congress of money and muscle power, says Sonia
Cheers Gabe. Who should be with the atheists? ;-) George --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May your God be with you. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
--- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! I am not skeptical. Goans deserve the boot. Floriano People deserve the leaders they elect. Goans seem to have dug their own graves. Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
Lawrence, I am not sure if you are serious or not but physical features do sometimes (not always) give away one's background. As regards who is a Goan and who is not, the identity issue has been discussed often and at length. I know who is NOT a Goan - Israelis, Russians (temporarily in Goa for several years), illegal squatters not domiciled in Goa, political vote banks brought in for political purposes. I do not know enough about Rane's specific background, so no comment. You did not ask but as Chief Minister he has failed the Goan people - like his predecessors. Regards, George --- Lawrence Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I could not find current statistics on the ratio of Goans to non-Goans in Goa, it appears looking around that one out three people in Goa are non-Goans. George Pinto By George! Never knew one could tell I was goan by my *look*. But, having been born, bred, resident in Maharashtra, am I not maharashtrian? Earlier query yet unanswered: BTW, Who is a goan? What is the definition? I believe Pratapsingh Rane's family hailed from Gujarat. Is he goan?
[Goanet] Re: Statue for Dr. Jack de Sequeira
I would like to nominate A. Veronica Fernandes to start a committee of sincere and dedicated persons for this statue (to bell the cat himself). In true Goan fashion, those who suggest an idea should execute the idea and not wait for someone else. Since he is not happy with the use of funds collected for other programs, he and his committee can personally oversee the use of funds. A. Veronica Fernandes you can do it, make it happen - a man of action. Regards, George A. Veronica Fernandes wrote 1. These days lot of statements is made in support of erecting of a statue of the late Dr. Jack Sequeira who is called the father of Opinion Poll. It is a good suggestion but who will bell the cat? 2. In the light of what I said above I feel some very sincere and dedicated persons in Goa who worked tirelessly for the victory of Opinion Poll should come forward and make a committee to raise funds for the building of a monument of Dr. Jack de Sequeira. 3. Above I said sincere and dedicated persons should come forward and make a committee to raise funds for the erection of Dr. Jack de Sequeiras statue because in the past we had a very bitter experience of relying unknowingly on chor bamtte who duped us of our money we raised to crate funds for so many good causes of Goa. For example, for Konkani Novem Goem Daily Paper we from Kuwait itself donated about 5 lakhs of rupees and yet it failedFor Cancer Hospital we donated about 15 - 20 lakhs and yet there is no Cancer Hospital of Goans. Where our money gone?
[Goanet] Goans headed for minority status in Goa
While I could not find current statistics on the ratio of Goans to non-Goans in Goa, it appears looking around that one out three people in Goa are non-Goans. If this demographic trend continues, Goa might be the first state in a few years where Goans are a minority in their own land. Bengalis are still a majority in Bengal, Tamilians in Tamilnad, Keralites in Kerala - by a large proportion. Don't be surprised in a few years when Goans IN Goa are addressed as follows: So, you are a Goan, how unusual. I leave it to the sociologists to analyze this unique phenomenon. However, will Goans suffer the same fate as minorities - will their rights be at stake? Regards, George
[Goanet] Re: Two great men
Chris, Bush is not an incompentent warmonger. He is a competent warmonger and incompetent President. Regards, George Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the same Heilburton guy who raped Iraq economically in cahoots with his buddy the incompetent warmonger Bush and who is now sucking the Kuwaitis and Saudis dry of their precious Oil so that these Arabs will soon be in the poorhouse?
[Goanet] Black Jesus film preaches politics over religion
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060119/film_nm/arts_jesus_black_dc We have to accept that Christ has been hijacked a bit -- he's gone very blonde haired and blue-eyed,.. Regards, George
[Goanet] Re:Opinion poll and merger
How many of the pro-merger crowd were serious enough about Maharashtra and moved there when the merger failed? Regards, George Goanet News Bytes Jan 18, 2006 Says GT: Surprisingly, whomever we spoke to - pro or anti-merger -- the memory of that day is as fresh as their daily fish. It features Dr Margarida da Viega of Loutolim and Tulshidas Malkarnekar who campaigned for merger in Salcete.
