Re: [Goanet] death of distinguished Toronto musician
Tony Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remy was a very versatile clarinet player, but was > equally talented > in playing the trumpet, tenor saxophone and > trombone. He was well > known for imitating the Afro-American trumpeter and > singer - Louis Armstrong-aka "Satchmo". Tony, You are turning out to be a real treasure trove of info on the history of Goans in Tanzania. I remember going with my parents in the 1960's to visit the Demello Brothers at their building in Dar-es-salaam. Since it was their practise night, one of them carried me to their room so that I could watch them practise. I believe that was the first time I decided to be in a band. The Demello Brothers had the best band in town when Goan bands dominated the music scene. Remy led his band which played at the (old) New Africa Hotel. A few of us used to run away from the D.I. on Sunday nights, while our parents were playing tambola, and go over to the hotel were the band played in the open air. If I am not mistaken, George D'souza used to play for them too at that time. For those who are not aware of it, George D'souza went on to have his own 30 minute show on Radio Tanzania on Saturday evenings. He then played at Toronto's premier hotel for about 20 years. Returning to Remy, you are absolutely right about his Louis Amstrong songs. He did such a good rendition that people had goose bumps whenever he played and sang Louie. I know for sure that he was the inspiration for many a Goan musician in that era. Mervyn3.0 PS. Remy's youngest brother, Francis, who is based in Toronto plays both the piano and drums and has a one man band. Last year he performed at the Viva Goa. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Indians in Gulf remit $5 billion a year
Could such figures be estimated for Goa? FN Indians in Gulf remit $5 billion a year Indo-Asian News Service Dubai, Aug 10 (IANS) Over four million Indian workers in the Gulf region remit nearly $5 billion a year, says a report. Foreign workers, mainly from India and Pakistan, send home nearly nine percent of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) member nations' gross domestic product (GDP) each year. The largest transfers originate from Saudi Arabia, which accounts for 63 percent of all remittances, followed by the United Arab Emirates at 15 percent, according to a report in the Gulf Daily News. "Close to $413 billion was remitted by expatriates between 1975 and 2002," said Dr N. Janardhan, programme manager, GCC-Asia Relations. "India and Pakistan together received about $60 billion in 10 years between 1993 and 2002, while India presently averages receipts of nearly $5 billion ever year," he told the newspaper. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing & evil/response to Mario
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Catholic Church's position on homosexuality does > not apply to me because I am not homosexual. Mario, I am glad that you found the answers you needed on the Catholic stance on homosexuality. However, it makes me wonder why you had to go look for it in the first place (not that there is anything wrong with homosexuality.) Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
--- velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The point I was making was from an investment > perspective, for a foreign national with no roots > in Goa. As is your habit, you have completely > misinterpreted the post and have taken it as a > personal insult. > Mario responds: > Not true. No personal insult taken. Please stick to your facts and opinions. Verbal histrionics and gratuitous impressions are like pouring water on a duck's back with me:-)) > Velho writes: > > Unfortunately it will be impossible for me to > continue this discussion since your understanding > of economics and investing seems to be limited to > supply and demand, which you keep repeating > montonously. It is quite obvious that you have not > read the forecasts for real esate in India from > HDFC and other Indian investors with far more > knowledge than your "NEVER HUMBLE" opinion. > Mario responds: > a) It may be just as well until you learn that prices are all about supply and demand and nothing else. You may be getting confused by factors you think may interfere with supply and demand. > a) I watch what investors are DOING, rather than what some analyst who has no personal stake is SAYING. > b) Those investors who believe as you do will not invest in Goa, which is their right. > Velho writes: > > In the world of economics according to Mario, do > economic cycles exist?? > Mario responds: > Absolutely. > Velho writes: > > Does there exist a field called economic > forecasting?? > Mario responds: > Absolutely. However, there are "forecasters" who have no personal stake in their forecasts and there are "investors" who actually put REAL money behind their convictions. I ignore the former and watch the latter. > Velho writes: > > The numbers though approximated are not bogus. The > prices on that waterfront for sea facing views are > between Rs 40,000-50,000 per sq metre which is > very close to the price of real esate in suburbs of > Mumbai such as Bandra and Santacruz. > Mario responds: > a) While your rate per sq. meter is accurate, your calculations are bogus. Other than Babush's new palace across the road from Shalom and the two waterfront penthouse suites in Shalom itself, almost all the properties along Miramar Beach are condos that are no larger than 150 sq. meters. The two condos in Shalom, which are about 300 sq. meters sold for Rs. 1 crore each a little over a year ago. Do the math - even at the rates you cite, and see if you come up to Rs. 1.5 crores. > b) Very few of the owners of these waterfront condos are local Goans. Many are from other parts of India who have realized the incredible values available in Goa. > b) For the NRI's that are driving some of the demand buying a condo at Miramar is an alternative to buying a condo in Florida or the Carribean or some other central or south American tropical location, where the prices are often several multiples of the prices in Goa, even at the rates you quote, which are accurate. > c) It is an exception rather than the rule for buyers in this area to rent their properties. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Albert writes
Hi Albert, I tend to agree with you that many people go through the 'motions' of the religion of their indoctrination without really understanding it. This is exactly what the 'God-men' want. Because once you start trying to understand it, it really doesn't make much sense and leaves you wanting more than just to be 'told' how to believe and what you should do to live a good life. All the rest of the dogma of eternal salvation, reincarnation and afterlife are all methods to manipulate pious adherants here on earth. Once you start investigating other religions, and India is a great place to do that because of the richness of the religious culture, you will find that there is much more to spirituality than attending mass once a week and partaking in the Eucharist. However you will have to separate the wheat from the chaff. I wish more people would open their eyes. Until then, I will continue to talk about religion and what it really means to 'BE GOOD'. Regards, Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. Message: 7 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:05:34 + From: "Albert Desouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Albert writes To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have read many writings on the net based on religion and even read the words atheist etc etc. In reality none of us know who Christ is. The Catholics feel that what we are doing is truly correct and many times I realize the teachings in the Bible are contradicting the teaching of the church. Take simple example. In exodus it is clearly told by God himself that He does not like rivals. That we should not have pictures of God in any form yet in many churches I have seen the picture of Abba Father. Jesus clearly says that I am the way the truth and the life who ever wants to come to my Father should come to me yet we wend our way through other sources. We do not open our hearts to God and we are never taught to open our hearts to God and feel the presence of God. The religion of Jesus (the religion of love) is completely missing, Today while our hearts are full of remorse our lips are used to repeat that what we are taught from our childhood half of which we are not even aware. Till we learn to pray let us stop talking about religion at all Albert D'Souza mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 11, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Language war hots up in Goa (The Economic Times) PANAJI: With Goa assembly elections scheduled for early next year, the issue of according official language status to Marathi is gaining momentum. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1879369.cms *** Goa recommends Austrian's `mercy petition' to Governor (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: Goa cabinet today recommended to the Governor the `mercy petition' of an Austrian national, undergoing 12 years' sentence at Central Jail, Aguada for possessing drugs. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=4020 *** Incessant rains to continue in Goa for next 24 hrs: Met Dept (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: As incessant rains continued to lash coastal Goa, Indian Meteorogical Observatory today predicted heavy rains in the state for the next 24 hours. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3867 *** Mahindra United mulling shifting base to Goa (New Kerala) Mumbai, Aug 7: Last year's Federation Cup and National Football League winners Mahindra United have issued a veiled threat to the Western India Football Association that unless the latter spruces up the Cooperage ground to international standards the club would shift base to Goa. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=3651 *** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa, prompting the state government to sound an alert for those residing in low-lying areas around the dam. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=4031 *** Four persons run over by train in south Goa (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 9: Four persons, including an infant, were run over by a train in south Goa, police said today. "All the four bodies were found lying on the tracks near Sjoe De Areal village in south Goa," Deputy Superintendent of Police Tony Fernandes said. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=4469 *** Incessant rains in Goa, flood alert sounded (The Times of India) Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1873945.cms *** Goa Health Minister for HIV tests before marriage (Hindustan Times) Favouring mandatory HIV/AIDS testing before marriage in the state, Goa Health Minister Dayanand Narvekar on Thursday said such a legislation would help curb the spread of the disease. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1765165,0006.htm *** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (Outlook India) Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa, prompting the state government to sound an alert for those residing in low-lying areas around the dam. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=405118 *** Aluminium-makers to meet in Goa (News Today) Casting industry is no more the choice of US, UK and European Union countries since it has become unsuitable due to rising labour cost, strict pollution norms and shifting properties. http://www.newstodaynet.com/09aug/bu5.htm Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Screening Final Solution ..
--- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > THE FACT IS THAT THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE > SIKH RIOTS WERE FAR MORE GRUESOME AND HAD AMPLE > STATE PATRONAGE. > Mario asks: > I wonder what STATE that would be because the states of Punjab and Haryana and New Delhi which were the primary victims, were also the parties that confronted and subdued the rioters. > Vivek writes: > > 2. The documentary conveniently ignores the fact > that hindu dalits were also the target of violent > muslim mobs i many parts of gujarat. > Mario observes: > I did not read this in any of the news reports. > Vivek writes: > > 3.The MYTH being circulated is that the state police > did nothing. the FACT is that 254 rioteers were shot > dead by the state police and many more were injured. > > 4. For instance, the documentary claims that: > "Narendra Modi introduced 7/8th grade history > textbook that glorifies Hitler." etc. > > 5. There is wide coverage to the hate speech > delivered by hindu fundamentalists like Togadia and > others but the documentary is silent regarding the > vicious anti hindu uterances of fanatic muslims. > etc. > > 6.The inteviews are selectively carried out with > either muslims vctims or hindu suspects. It is > surprising that rakesh dint find any single muslim > exremist or a hindu victim of communal riots etc. > > 7. Finaly the name "Final Solution" itself is very > interesting. etc. > Mario observes: > Vivek, There may be a business opportunity in producing another documentary highlighting your objections to this one. Contact M. Night Shyamalan, the hottest producer/director in Hollywood and an ABCD, immediately. You may have a blockbuster in your future. > Vivek writes: > > The name is chosen to pander to western audiences > for whom it has a far darker connotation (it implies > violence as a part of government policy) with what > happened in Gujrat. > Mario observes: > Though the murders may not have been "conceived" at the state level or national level [I assume you mean by the BJP] which would be criminal acts, I believe the accusation was that there was tacit support for the rioters, or at least an initial luke warm response to the rioters at the state level. The investigations showed that, based on which Narendra Modi was refused a visa by the US. Am I wrong? > Vivek writes: > > Some peope would like everybody to believe that I > have a vested interest in "protecting" the rioteers. > many many people on Goanet use synonyms (some even > confess to doing that openly) yet some people here > would like to portray me as someone who creates > "smoke screen" and "red herrings" because i just > use a first name. > Mario observes: > Vivek, while I have focused on what you write on Goanet, and not on whom you may happen to be - you may be Elisabeth in wolf's clothing for all I know:-)) - you must admit that it is disconcerting for the rest of us to communicate with a ghost. This also applies to everyone else on Goanet who hides behind a nom de plume and/or multiple personalities. > Vivek writes: > > I also happened to talk to many of my gujarati > friends. They admit that wht happened in Gujarat was > bad but yet they are also convinced that vested > interests have started spreading canards about > gujratis in general. > Mario observes: > I don't think the Gujaratis in the US distinguished themselves either with their public responses to the riots or their pathetic Narendra Modi sycophancy after he was refused a US visa based on his alleged complicity in official investigative reports. > Vivek writes: > > Why would the gujratis who are essentialy a > pragmatic business community who know better than > anyone else that economic growth is the first > casualty of riots would so actively support > narendra Modi? > Mario observes: > An honest answer to this question by me in a public forum would probably singe your hair and that of the many Gujaratis who openly and publicly supported Narendra Modi, and still do. Their Indian-American cousins, virtually all of whom are business people, are still pissing and moaning about the US visa refusal and continue to try to get him a visa to be a guest at their national convention in the US. > > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] India's National Anthem...for all the expats!
Please click on the URL below:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkZI8Eb4IY&NR -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Gilbert's Wisdom
Mogall Elisabeth, Thanks for giving me the bait to name names. Can I return the bait and request you to clarify your position? ... FINALLY and PERMANENTLY.:=)) If you (and others) claim to be practicing Catholic; por favor, please tell us the church ministry you belong to. After all, we do not want the solitary (male) padre to do everything by himself. Do we? As far as others, they can out themselves. And I hope they do. This is if they are true to their beliefs and are true to themselves. Perhaps we should start a practice. Those writing a post on religion (or take a stand in a controversial field) should first state / define their own position. In fact I compliment the ones who have done so. No long explanations - just the facts and specific label. Don’t you think that would be reasonable and sensible? Thus we will not have to "assume that what posters practice remains unknown to other cyber posters." If and when Goanet has a social function we can even crown our own King and Queen of Deception.:=)) Kind Regards, GL Elisabeth Carvalho Do you personally know of any Goanetters, who preach one thing and practice another? This being a cyber forum, one would assume that what posters practice remains unknown to other cyber posters. Hang a scarlet letter around their cyber necks. Or at the very least give them a chance to defend themselves. -- --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am a bit tired of Goanetters who preach one thing > (to appear intellectual) and personally practice > another philosophy. I do hope you and others do not > reap what you preach. Yet it is useful to remember > that a seed does not fall far from the tree. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] St. Xavier s Society - Dar es Salaam invites Goans - to their WORLD GOA DAY celebration in Dar es Salaam
00 Hi All, The St Xavier's Society will be celebrating World Goa day & the 114th anniversary in grand Goan style on the 19th of Aug. The Dinner cards will be on sale from tomorrow onwards at 6.30pm at the club . Funds raised will go towards helping the needy & less fortunate of our community & therefore Main Sponsors, Co sponsors & Well wishers are kindly requested to get in touch with any of the following or myself with your contributions/donations. Brian Fernandes-0784228272 Angela Mascaranhas- 0713616477 Leslie Mascaranhas- 0713250646 Your generosity will be appreciated. Regards Savio Fernandes Chairman - St. Xavier s Society - Dar es Salaam 000 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] re Vivek's take on Abraham et Isaac.
Vivek wrote: < JC is right when he says that attempted murder is different from murder In fact the IPC section is different for each offence. Also the intent to kill is also a crime which comes under CONSPIRACY to commit murder and has to be backed by evidence that the suspct indeed planned to commit murder. My two cents on the Abraham case: he could be tried for attempted murder.> Dear Vivek, I really doubt that the term CONSPIRACY which I am advised is an "inchoate" crime, is applicable when there is only ONE person involved. If I remember the Biblical story wrt Abraham/Isaac, I really doubt that "attempted murder" charge would stick..today. Most folks (and Santoshbab can correct me if I am wrong) who in these days claim that God is commanding them to Kill someone else . are (I believe) likely to be acquitted of the charges and then found Free Board and Lodge for life ..(in the UK) courtesy our dear ELizabeth. good wishes jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY message from GOANS in MOMBASA- KENYA
0 It is very endearing to know Goans around the world are getting together to form an alliance of World Goan Organisations. The Goans of Mombasa, Kenya, join in celebrating World Go Day on 20th August 2006 with our full support for the betterment of our community around the world. This year we in Mombasa are celebrating by organising a Goan Food Festival with people of all walks of life joining us to share our culture and authentic cuisine. Long Live the Goans! Mrs. Brenda Abranches Hon. Secretary Angelo Pereira - Chairman Tony da Silva - Vice Chairman Theo de Souza - Hon. Treasurer 00 rene ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Comments
Dear netters The Bishop of Goa wants the society to be free from corruption. I once wrote to Dr.Babu Joseph spokesperson media input centre CBCI centre New Delhi and brought to his notice that there is bigger corruption in the church which should be first weeded out. Jesus clearly said, Remove the beam from your eye and then try to remove the speck from your brothers eye. I was surprised that he wrote back to me saying that Christs apostles all were not perfect .I was told to refer to the website www.indiancatholic.com. Right enough when I went to that site I found the site was as dry as a stone. There was nothing much to contemplate and be happy but what struck my attention was the write up by one Don Conner giving details of two Marys in the church. The first one was the Mary from the Bible whom God chose for her simplicity and her role was to bring Jesus to the world. Jesus did not make her queen of heaven or earth. The second Mary is The catholic Mary who is made rival of Jesus. She has been elevated so much and the idea is to gain business to the clergy folk. When I drew the attention ofDr. Babu he immediately removed this article from the website and now the website is dead website. Glenda Viegas _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] WE ARE FREE TO CHOOSE OUR BANKERS
This seems like an interesting thread. Could someone take on the responsibility of compiling the various problems expats (and local residents too!) face while dealing with banks? This could then be sent to either the banking ombudsman, or to the NRI Commissioner for Goa (in the case of expats). Also, I have incessent problems in ensuring payment remittances when writing for the market outside India. Is there an easy way of remitting smaller sums, electronically? FN -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Albert writes (religious practices)
--- Albert Desouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nasci writes about Hindu belief. Hindus do not have > any guiding force behind > them. Whatever has been passed from generation to > generation has been > imbibed by them. But there are many things similar > with the Catholics too. > When a person is dead they light a lamp after the > funeral at the place where > he breathed his life. Food is prepared for the > beggars and before the food > is eaten leaf plates full of food are kept on the > food path for the birds to > eat that as a sign that the dead has gone to heaven. > The list is endless. NASCI replies: Yes, Albert what you are saying re the 'rituals' have been practiced as a follow up from Indian/ Hindu ancestral practices. But, I have noticed that a lot of that does not prevail any more, more so among educated and modern exposed families and individuals. But more importantly these Goa Christian practices do not involve 'animal worship' and DO NOT impact in any way on other Christians, non Christians etc.! That has been my notice all along! Albert De Souza > The statues in the church and homes is also > descended to us from Hindu > culture of the past as our ancestors were all > hindus. Catholics are not > supposed to adore or venerate statues as it is > clearly mentioned in the > bible. Read exodus, or romans and see for your self > what we ought to do and > are doing and the religion we follow is entirely > different from what Jesus > has taught us. Nasci adjoins: I agree with you that this 'statue veneration' also is from Hindu practices, as also 'caste prejudices' and I say that this should stop forthwith! However Hindus worship Deities whom their statues represent and these are mostly animals like or variations thereof! They consider these deities as superior to the so called 'low born casteless people! This I cannot stomach! You see the difference? and make your own judgement! Also U should know that some Catholics 'adore' the statues of saints etc, out of ignorance. The religion does not permit this. However Catholicism permits 'veneration' of saints and praying to, asking for 'intercession' thru these saints; this is in the 'I believe' that Catholics recite almost every day; and our George Pinto is actively seeking a canonised Goan/ Indian Saint. Good luck to him!Personally I do not like this belief in saints as for intercession with God; I would like Saints to be emulated for their exemplary lives only, thats all; and the authorities should only highlight these and promote their lives. Prayer etc should be directed wholly and directly to God the Father, the Son in Jesus Christ and above all the Holy Spirit! There is no need for intermedieries like Saints. This way, the Catholics and specially Goan Catholics will have moved, rightly so, and FAR from Hindu practices! This is what I have said and repeated a few times on goanet. Will the Church in Goa enforce some of this, at least? Will the Vatican move to move away from saints and cannonisation etc. Time will tell! Remember these are 'internal matters' and do not impact on others. With regards, Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
Hi Mario, Mario writes: Sadly for your case, you start off with a false premise.When exactly did I say what you say I said? Actually I said just the opposite, that atheists and religious types can be evil from time to time. Sunith respnds: My mistake!! I'm extremely sorry for attributing the quote/belief to you. Mario writes: The most racist Americans are the ones who patronize and want minorities to be dependent on the government. That's the worst thing one can do to a person in afree market economy. Sunith responds: I always thought the most racist Americans were the ones who wanted minorities mariginalised. Thank you for opening my eyes. So now in the world according to Mario, Racism equals "wanting minorties to be dependent on the government." Wow!! Do you ever read what you write. Mario writes: You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions and straw men.Several Islamic Imams I have talked to confirm, referencing the Qu'ran, that what these guys are being taught and brainwashed violates every one of the Islamic moral codes. Suicide is specifically prohibited in the Qu'ran. Sunith responds: In the world NOT according to Mario, it is a known fact(not pre concieved notion) that many fidayeen are trained in madarasas.I have also seen several Islamic Imams on Al-Jazeera TV and some websites justify mujahideen blowing themselves up during a Jihad. There are indeed many Imams who consider the fidayeen as martyrs. So whose interpretation is according rock solid moral code?? The Imams you allegedly talked to or those I have read/seen?? Do your "Imam friends" agree with your use of the term Islamo-fascist to describe the Iraqi fighters in Iraq or are they your "cafeteria" friends?? On a related note, the Bishop of Jerusalem yesterday called George Bush a "Christless Christian" on BBC World's Hard Talk. If I am expected to believe your "Imam friends" views on Islam then I'll surely have to believe Riah Abu El-Assal's(the bishop) views on GWB. I think the better choice is to make up my own mind after considering FACTS, not mindlessly parroting the propaganda I'm fed. Regards Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tiatrists Osvi arrives.
OSVI VIEGAS ARRIVED. Well - known Tiatrist Osvi Viegas has already arrived in Kuwait yesterday late in the evening. After landing at Kuwait International Airport, he was immediately taken to the Hawally Hall for the rehearsal. Osvi is come to Kuwait to participate in the Tiatro Ghor Bhandlem Ghorabo Moddlo written and directed by Rosary Ferns. This Tiatro will be staged tomorrow Friday 11th of this month at Hawally A/c Hall starting at 3.30 p.m. Osvi will render 2 powerful solos and a duet with Antonette de Calangute. The other visiting artistes who will participate in this Tiatro are Ophelia, her daughter Babli, Antonette de Calangute, John D'Silva and William de Curtorim. The local artistes participating in this Tiatro are Sanny de Quepem, Manuel de Santa Cruz, Alex de Consua, Zoro, Xavier Furtado, Salu Faleiro, Bab Agnelo, Pal Soares, Sylvester Vaz, Laurente Pereira, Marcus Vaz, Simon Gonsalves, Comedian Philip, Clara Rod, Querobina Carvalho, Margareth D'Cruz and Rosary Ferns. Musical score will be provided by Dennis, Agnelo, Filip, Rabindra Pietro and Phillip. This is a Kuwait Goan Association presentation. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gabe, Catholicsm and "Thou shalt NOT covet ....." Sin.
In response to this from me: [An attempt to commit violence, is NOT equivalent to having commited violence.] Gabe Menezes wrote: Dear Gabe, I agree absolutely with you that jc is not that well versed in 'the Catholic Religion'. Never was, unlikely that jc will ever be. For starters, jc did not know that there was a Religion called Catholic. Muji Chuk. Secondly, I doubt I wrote anything wrt the topic at hand about: SIN, what was sinful, what wasn't or what is or isn't WRONG. I only wrote that "An attempt to commit violence, is NOT equivalent to having commited violence." It is my belief that even your courts in the UK agree withthat statement. Your parliament even went ahead and enacted the Criminal Attempts Act 1981. I would like to also believe wrt your response to my simple statement that Apples are significantly different from Oranges. good wishes as always jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] SC Ruling On Conversion Not All That Right, Says CCBI Chief (SAR News)
SC Ruling On Conversion Not All That Right, Says CCBI Chief By SAR NEWS BANGALORE, Karnataka (SAR NEWS) -- President of the Conference of Catholic Bishops in India (CCBI), Archbishop Oswald Gracias of Agra, has expressed apprehension about a Supreme Court judgment in the conversion case involving Christian Pastor P. Raju of Channapatna in Karnataka. The Supreme Court of India August 4 pronounced a verdict drawing an important line between courts taking cognizance of the offence pertaining to proselytisation, and the police lodging first information reports (FIRs) and arresting the erring religious figures indulging in the offence. A bench comprising Justices G.P. Mathur and Dalveer Bhandari said the police did not require prior sanction to lodge an FIR, or arrest a religious leader if there is a complaint of proselytisation against him. “This has serious consequences to the religious freedom practised in our country,” said Archbishop Gracias, August 8, in Bangalore. The court ruling is “not that all right, especially in the case of religious minorities”. Even though there is not a single case of forced conversion in India, some people try to make laws and hurt the sentiments and rights of their fellow citizens, he said. Archbishop Gracias is in Bangalore attending the office-bearers meeting of chairpersons and secretaries of the CCBI in Bangalore. Archbishop Vincent Concessao of Delhi, who arrived in the city August 8 morning, commented that the judgment could give way to fabricated stories and anyone could be arrested. The laws are formed based on individual court rulings so there is a need of further reflection on this judgment and take suitable action to claim our rights or freedom of religion, said the archbishop of Delhi. The Apex Court set aside an order of the High Court, which had quashed a case of proselytisation lodged against Pastor P. Raju under Section 153-B of Indian Penal Code (IPC). The complaint accused Raju of appealing to a Sankranthi congregation January 14, 2005, at Ramapura asking the people to convert to Christianity and promising many benefits and facilities not available to them in the Hindu religion. The Karnataka government had appealed against the High Court order. The court explained that absence of prior sanction, a mandatory prerequisite for a court to take cognizance of such offence, would not prevent a magistrate from remanding to police or judicial custody of an accused arrested by the police for the offence of proselytisation. There is no bar against registration of a criminal case or investigation by the police agency or submission of a charge sheet against the accused in such cases, said Justice Mathur writing for the Bench. Mere production of the arrested accused before the magistrate and the latter remanding him to custodial detention does not amount to taking cognizance of the offence, for which alone prior sanction is required, the Bench said. The High Court clearly erred in quashing the proceedings against the pastor on the ground that prior sanction of the Central Government or of the State government or of the district magistrate had not been obtained, it said. This Supreme Court order is bound to have a ripple effect on the Christian community who claim that they exist to evangelise, said a Christian leader. This ruling assumes significance in the wake of serious opposition by secular forces to efforts by some States to enact laws to prevent proselytisation. They had felt that these laws were meant to persecute those arranging legitimate conversions. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa Health Minister for HIV tests before marriage
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1765165,0006.htm Goa Health Minister for HIV tests before marriage Press Trust of India Panaji, August 10, 2006 Favouring mandatory HIV/AIDS testing before marriage in the state, Goa Health Minister Dayanand Narvekar on Thursday said such a legislation would help curb the spread of the disease. The Minister, participating in a state-level media sensitisation workshop organised by a private NGO 'Community Resource Foundation' in Panaji, said the legislation, making HIV testing mandatory before marriage, would trigger a 'thinking process' in the state. Through a cabinet decision, the Goa government had decided to make HIV test mandatory before marriage and the state health department had initiated a procedure to assess public opinion on the matter. Referring to the state government's recent move to initiate legislation in this regard, which was opposed by Opposition members, Narvekar said "it (legislation) will be the need of the hour in the years to come. Some court may come with directives, making state government's such testing mandatory and then we will think that we should have done it earlier," Narvekar said. The Minister said suggestions to make the testing voluntary or counselling for couples before marriage, would dilute the mandatory provision. Narvekar assured that the state government would procure enough kits to conduct tests. "The tests could be done free in government-run Goa Medical College Hospital or at two district hospitals so that they are accurate." Printed From -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Elizabeth : Western where? and child sacrifices in primitive cultures
In response to this from me: [Many primitive societies 'sacrifice' (= murder) their children. These horrendous sacrifices are known to occur especially during the building of bridges in certain parts of Western India.] Elisabeth Carvalho asked: < I wonder if in the below paragraph, you have inadvertently typed Western India instead of Western Europe.> Dear Elizabeth, Thanks. I meant exactly what I wrote. Western India as in Maharashtra. BTW: this is not from Western India, but should give us an inkling: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040105/chd.htm good wishes jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] New CD in Kuwait.
NEW CD RELEASE IN KUWAIT. Well known Tiatrist and singer William de Curtorim will release his new CD tomorrow 11th of this month during the staging of Rosary Ferns' Tiatro Ghor Bhandlem Ghorabo Moddlo. The CD "ROSTAD TE GOYCHE MONTRI". It consists of 12 songs all composed by William de Curtorim and rendered by difeferent singers namely daughter of William de Curtorim Meera Menezes, Hortencio Pereira, Michael de Siolim, Alexinho de Morjim, Lorna de Morjim, and Leena de Siolim. Musical score is provided by Anthony de Velim and his troupe. This CD will be available in the hall during the show. As a matter of interest William de Curtorim will sing three powerful songs in the Tiatro Ghor Bhandlem Ghorabo Moddlo, namely 1) Airport Chorpi 3 Montri 2) Viva Portugal FAFA W. Cup 3) Jacinto Vaz Kuwaitant ailo. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Attempted murder _ JC is right
JC is right when he says that attempted murder is different from murder In fact the IPC section is different for each offence. Recent example of pravin mahajn shows that he was charged with attempt to murder and after the senior mahjan succumbed to his injuries the section changed to murder. Also the intent to kill is also a crime which comes under conspiracy to commit murder and has to be backed by evidence that the suspct indeed planned to commit murder. My two cents on the Abraham case: he could be tried for attempted murder. -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] God fearing vs Evil
--- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > many interesting points have been made in the God > fearing vs evil discussion on Goanet. > My belief is that pure evil and a solid faith in God > can both exist. > Be it the Hindu caste system, or the christian > inquisition, evil people have invoked God to commit > inhuman atrocities on their fellow beings. > Mario responds: > "Pure evil" suggests a sustained and ongoing effort to harm others, as compared to someone who may commit an infraction occasionally. > Invoking God as an excuse for doing "pure evil" hardly leads sequentially to the logical conclusion that the perpetrator was "God-fearing". Simple logic would indicate that they did not fear the consequences that an awesome God may have for them. > In the meantime the atheist evildoers, whose body-count is far higher than those who pretended to have religious affiliations, needed other excuses, mostly political repression as all of these were avowed communists. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions ..........
Dear Gilbert, I reiterate once again my original request, which was for some sort of hypothesis on your part, pertaining to the concept of "evil". Since, no such discussion is forth-coming and since I am no interested in tangential discussions, the subject is closed from my end. Thank you, Elisabeth -- --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Elisabeth, > > In many of your comments, you tend to condemn the > (ignorant) past and praise the (intellectual) > present. Perhaps you may want to contemplate why > past societies did what they did? And they may not > be as mean-spirited or stupid as we may think. A > good approach is to ask what would be the other > options? And what is the success and repercussion > of those approaches? With due respects, below are > examples of your thinking. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Screening Final Solution ..(attn. Vivek)
Et Tu Vivek, You are Vivek Sadanand Pai, who is a fan /founder of hindunet.org; even there U are being criticised for politicising religion! What other than blatant Hindu Fundamentalist Bias can come out of you! Respect and tolerance is a two way thing. You are the ones enforcing your beliefs and practices on others, and creating and inviting this orgy of violence. Did you ask or do anything to stop the killing pogram of the community in Gujerat? Did anyone do that? No!!! Then just repent and repent; work for communal harmony. Nasci Caldeira. --- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I came across a post by V gadgil regarding the > screening of final solution, a documentary by rakesh > sharma. > > I have seen the documentary myself. In my opinion > the > documentary is a crude and obnoxious attempt by > leftists to exemplify and exagerate the unfortunate > happenings in Gujarat in order to extract some cheap > political mileage. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 12th August LPG Consumers Safety Camp at Sonarvaddo, Raia
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! - LPG Consumers Safety Camp at Raia on Saturday 12th August. The Raia Civic and Consumer Forum in collaboration with M/s Loutolim Gas Service is organising a Safety Camp for the benefit of the LPG consumers of Hindustan Petroleum on Saturday 12th August at 4.00pm near Snows Bakery, Sonarvaddo, Raia. The LPG Safety Camp is organised by the Distributor of HP Gas and the Consumer Forum to provide instructions to the consumers on the safe use of LPG cylinders. Demonstration and instructions on fitting the gas regulator, detection of gas leakages, change of rubber tube, insurance cover for consumers, mechanical check by authorized personnel of the Distributor and emergency services by Hindustan Petroleum will be provided at the Safety Camp. The resource person for the program will be Mr. S. Karve Senior Sales Officer, HP Gas. Consumers of Raia are invited to attend the LPG Safety Camp and take benefit of the services provided. GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 11th August FRIDAY BALCAO: Protecting Breast feeding through the IMS Act
-- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO -- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, Friday Balcao the fortnightly discussion event to be held on 11th August will focus on the need to Protect Breast feeding by making the IMS Act known to people. The discussion is being organised in observance of the World Breast Feeding Week. Every year the first week of August i.e. from August 1-7 is celebrated as World Breast feeding Week. During this time there are efforts to create awareness on the importance of exclusive breast feeding for the first six months and continued breast feeding for two years and beyond, along with adequate and appropriate complementary feeding starting after 6 months, to provide ideal nutrition to infants and young children. So why the The Infant Milk Substitutes, Feeding Bottles and Infant Foods (Regulation of Production, Supply and Distribution) Act 1992 as amended in 2003 (The IMS Act) and how can it protect breast feeding ? With the growth of urbanization and the emergence of the nuclear family people moved away from the traditional foods & diets and practices. This also resulted in the emergence of newer foods like the infant feeds, dehydrated milk powder, infant formulations and of course the bottle feeders. The shift from breast feeding to bottle feeding due to the sheer pressures on working mothers provided the right opportunity to the promoters of infant feed formulations to advertise and aggressively market their packaged products. The result was evident, increased infant malnutrition, morbidity and mortality. In a bid to control this health related problem the Govt. of India enacted the IMS Act but manufacturers of these infant foods found loopholes to market their products by directly approaching breast feeding mothers and even influencing the health professionals. So if breast feeding is to be promoted and protected and the unscrupulous manufacturers are to be checked then the only answer is that the provisions of the IMS Act must be made known to the people. Moreover the behaviour of the various manufacturers must be monitored by the consumers in the market place. What specific role can NGO's, Service Clubs, Mahila Mandals, and heads of religious institutions play in promoting and protecting breast feeding in Goa ? What kind of steps can be taken to implement the IMS Act with the involvement of the Primary Health Centres and the Consumer Forums at the village level? The Balcao discussion will cover these questions and also evolve an agenda for action by citizens on the issue. Friday Balcao will be from 4pm to 6pm at the Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11 Liberty Apartments Feira Alta, Mapusa and is open to members of the public. We invite you to attend the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tiatr in Kuwait: Ghor Bandlem Ghorabo moddlo
scanned: appeared on Herald dtd 9/08/06 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/211530216/ The Kuwait Goans' Association (KGA) is all set to present the Konkani tiatr "Ghor Bandhlem Ghorabo Moddlo" featuring Konkani stage artistes Ophelia, Babli, Antonette de Calangute, Comedian John D'Silva, Osvi Viegas, William de Curtorim, Comedian Philip, Querobina, Sanny de Quepem, Marcus Vaz, Clara, Bab Agnel, Magaret D'Cruz, Manuel de Santa Cruz, Simon Gonsalves, Alex de Consua, Xavier Furtado, Zoro, Sylvester Vaz, Pal Soares and Laurente Pereira together with writer-director Rosary Ferns. This Konkani tiatr will be held on Friday, August 11 in the Hawalli Auditorium at 3-30 pm sharp. For gate passes, please contact Raja Stores (Kuwait City) 2412970, 9758819, 9745291, 7874570 & 6224021 M&M Confectionery (Salmiya) 5619946, or KGA committee members. A colourful souvenir will be released to mark the occasion by Kuwait Goans Association (KGA). JoeRequest: Would appreciate, if any one could email me a stage photo of Ophelia. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
