Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
genplus-gx http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ is back !!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-code-hosting/-/PCn173pr-hkJ. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
It seems I have now access back to genplus-gx homepage when I log me in but unfortunately cannot get anything from the download section. These are important documents related to the project and I don't have backup of them elsewhere. I'd appreciate if I could at least get them back. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Charles MacDonald cham...@gmail.comwrote: The new license forbade commercial use to stop these people, mainly because communication with them failed and they were hostile when asked to stop. I realize simply changing the license won't stop them, to be honest it was a decision made purely out of frustration. I'm sorry that you've dealt with so many compliance issues. There are resources for dealing specifically with GPL enforcement if your project has a clean copyright history. Have you gotten in touch with any of them? In my personal view, and as you've noted, adding a field-of-use restriction to the project's license is unlikely to stop people who didn't comply with the original license. Of course, you and other copyright holders are welcome to choose the license that you prefer. I've known about Eke's derivative work (Genesis Plus GX) for a long time now and I am in total support of it. What would it take to get the project back on Google Code? I'll do whatever it takes. Having it available under one or more OSI-approved open source licenses. No more, no less. I'll respond in more detail in another thread. -- Lucas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Christophe ekeeke ekeek...@gmail.comwrote: It seems I have now access back to genplus-gx homepage when I log me in but unfortunately cannot get anything from the download section. These are important documents related to the project and I don't have backup of them elsewhere. I'd appreciate if I could at least get them back. Of course. I've restored access to your project while this gets sorted out. If there's some further trouble, please feel free to ping me personally. I'll respond to all this in more detail tomorrow when I get into the office. -- Lucas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I have opened an issue about a year ago related to these kinds of situations (including deletion by another project admin): http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=5206 I believe it would be in everyone's interest that this issue gets more * stars* and attention so that these kinds of *takedowns* don't occur so * eagerly* ;) As for the genplus-gx project itself, I suggest (and probably suggested before as well) that the source tree and downloads are somehow reverted back to the last version that was still under an OSD compatible license. And that a message is indicated in the homepage of the project stating where the new developments have moved to on another online repository system ;) I'm not 100% certain, but Bitbucket and Github might be some examples of being more _friendly_ with the new license that genplus-gx uses. But I haven't bothered in doing fact checking... Best regards and best of luck for the new endeavours of genplus-gx! Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2012 22:09:13 UTC+1, Lucas Bergman escreveu: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Christophe ekeeke wrote: It seems I have now access back to genplus-gx homepage when I log me in but unfortunately cannot get anything from the download section. These are important documents related to the project and I don't have backup of them elsewhere. I'd appreciate if I could at least get them back. Of course. I've restored access to your project while this gets sorted out. If there's some further trouble, please feel free to ping me personally. I'll respond to all this in more detail tomorrow when I get into the office. -- Lucas Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2012 22:09:13 UTC+1, Lucas Bergman escreveu: On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Christophe ekeeke wrote: It seems I have now access back to genplus-gx homepage when I log me in but unfortunately cannot get anything from the download section. These are important documents related to the project and I don't have backup of them elsewhere. I'd appreciate if I could at least get them back. Of course. I've restored access to your project while this gets sorted out. If there's some further trouble, please feel free to ping me personally. I'll respond to all this in more detail tomorrow when I get into the office. -- Lucas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-code-hosting/-/RAzrxwEyuiEJ. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
I was confused as to why his project wasn't working earlier this week, so I e-mailed Christophe who informed me about this thread. As someone who has worked on a port of Genesis Plus in the past, (http://projects.sappharad.com/gcn/genplus/) I'm kind of biased in this situation, but I don't agree with the way it was handed. The license problem isn't eke's fault and there isn't anything he can do to change that since he's respecting the wishes of the original developer. This discussion has been covered in the previous thread linked above though, (which I also wasn't aware of until now) so that isn't why this is upsetting. The problem I have with the way you handled this is that you essentially killed the project without giving any advance notice that you were planning to do so. I understand that with the number of take- downs you might need to do every day that you really don't have time to give someone a warning in advance, but in this case the take-down wasn't due to a DMCA complaint or something of that nature. Would it really be that big of an inconvenience for you to give him some time to migrate the repository history and issue tracker data to somewhere else? I would be willing to host everything for you if that's what it takes to see everything come back in a safe place. I agree that his project may not fall under your definition of open source anymore, but I also agree that it's not right for someone to profit off of his work and not comply with the license it previously had. Please consider opening it back up for a week or something, I'm willing to help with whatever it takes to see that all of this history is not lost. Thanks in advance... On Apr 27, 8:53 am, Lucas Bergman s...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Christophe ekeeke ekeek...@gmail.comwrote: In fact, i can't even access ANY googlecode projects (mine that are still active or other projects) with my account. It seems like my account was purely blocked without any notice to me. I unbanned your account. You're not an abusive user and shouldn't have been banned. I must say I find the overall method (shutting down a project on an anonymous delation without contacting project owner) quite offending... You have known for months that what you are doing is against policy. You and I have corresponded privately about this. Again, i understand it's not 100% compatible with FSF philosophy... This is not about philosophy. We want our users to be able to download programs from Google Code and be assured that they are Open Source in the very specific, trademarked meaning of that term. Allowing projects that do not fit that definition puts our users in harm's way. Your project seems really cool, and I hope you'll reconsider. Was the problem that people were selling derivative works of your code but still complying with the GPL? If so, couldn't you use their source code to incorporate their changes into your free version? -- Lucas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
This is not about philosophy. We want our users to be able to download programs from Google Code and be assured that they are Open Source in the very specific, trademarked meaning of that term. Allowing projects that do not fit that definition puts our users in harm's way. Your project seems really cool, and I hope you'll reconsider. Was the problem that people were selling derivative works of your code but still complying with the GPL? If so, couldn't you use their source code to incorporate their changes into your free version? Hi, I'm the original author of Genesis Plus. It was released under GPL for many years. I changed the license recently because people were making Android and iOS ports and selling it for money, which was never my intention (it existed long before the app market was invented, I couldn't have anticipated this new kind of misuse). The new license forbade commercial use to stop these people, mainly because communication with them failed and they were hostile when asked to stop. I realize simply changing the license won't stop them, to be honest it was a decision made purely out of frustration. I've known about Eke's derivative work (Genesis Plus GX) for a long time now and I am in total support of it. What would it take to get the project back on Google Code? I'll do whatever it takes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
In fact, i can't even access ANY googlecode projects (mine that are still active or other projects) with my account. It seems like my account was purely blocked without any notice to me. The only email i received is a mail from zorkzero which is a copypaste from this thread original post... i answered him explaining my case but i got no response from him (i don't think he is interested anyway) and simply noticed yesterday my account was suspended and the project not accessible anymore. I tried to contact a googlecode administer but got no response yet. I must say I find the overall method (shutting down a project on an anonymous delation without contacting project owner) quite offending to say the least, especially when, i repeat, the source code is open as being up-to-date and available for anyone to compile, that this has always been encouraged on the project page, just that original authors are simply asking to release ports of their work free of charge just like they have been doing since the start, with no profits in mind other than emulation knowledge and hardware documentation. I may also add that emulators have always been in a sort of grey area, so trying to make money out of them is just asking for potential trouble and this is not only about respecting original authors goals but also protect them... Again, i understand it's not 100% compatible with FSF philosophy, but i would never have thought this specific definition would now become the generalized norm and that anything that that does not fit exactly should be ashamed, as written in an above post, and banned from googlecode. Really, I am just a hobbyist developer who always documented and shared everything he has coded, i am no lawyer or free software integrist and i don't understand that people like me are the ones that have to justify themselves... On 23 avr, 22:18, Bruno Santos wyldc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This was discussed back in August:https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-code-hostin... I can't see the project anymore, so I don't know if they had any references to the transfer of the project to somewhere else. On Apr 22, 3:31 am, Nathaniel Manista nathan...@google.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Zork Zero zorkz...@hotmail.com wrote: it seems to me that the geplus-gxhttp://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/isn'topensource anymore. The website says Starting from r610, the sourcecode is now FREE FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE ONLY. I think this violates the definition of open source fromhttp://www.opensource.org/docs/osd. That's a shame; it looks like a really awesome project. What did they say when you wrote to them pointing out this problem? -Nathaniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Christophe ekeeke ekeek...@gmail.comwrote: In fact, i can't even access ANY googlecode projects (mine that are still active or other projects) with my account. It seems like my account was purely blocked without any notice to me. I unbanned your account. You're not an abusive user and shouldn't have been banned. I must say I find the overall method (shutting down a project on an anonymous delation without contacting project owner) quite offending... You have known for months that what you are doing is against policy. You and I have corresponded privately about this. Again, i understand it's not 100% compatible with FSF philosophy... This is not about philosophy. We want our users to be able to download programs from Google Code and be assured that they are Open Source in the very specific, trademarked meaning of that term. Allowing projects that do not fit that definition puts our users in harm's way. Your project seems really cool, and I hope you'll reconsider. Was the problem that people were selling derivative works of your code but still complying with the GPL? If so, couldn't you use their source code to incorporate their changes into your free version? -- Lucas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
Re: genplus-gx isn't open source
It apparently got closed without any notice to me. Hopefully I had the repository backed up locally but issue reports and features requests are lost. Anyway, I already defended my case on the aforementioned link and I'm really surprised that people are still trying to get this project closed by reporting it. To OP, what is your motivation really ? Open-source defense ? As already stated, I actually take lot of care to keep the updated source code always available and fully portable to anyone through googlecode, answering every issue reports and fixing them asap when possible, taking all feature requests in consideration, I even recently started to add Sega CD emulation and used the project page to keep user up-to- date. Shouldn't it be what matters ? What about the dozen of MAME and Snes9x ports which use a similar license and are still hosted on googlecode ? Should we really kick all these great emulator projects and incredible source of information from googlecode just because original authors don't want to see their hard work being used commercially and specific platform users being scammed with quick selling ports ? Really, I don't understand that I am the one being harassed here, after all the efforts I've put into this project to keep it alive and a major source of information for accurate emulation of sega 8/16-bit console, and I feel quite unmotivated right now. PS: If it is only a matter of removing that sentence, it's really not as if it had prevented anyone who really want it to compile the available sourcecode and sell ports of this :-/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
genplus-gx isn't open source
Hello, it seems to me that the geplus-gx http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ isn't open source anymore. The website says Starting from r610, the sourcecode is now FREE FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE ONLY. I think this violates the definition of open source from http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Project Hosting on Google Code group. To post to this group, send email to google-code-hosting@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-code-hosting+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting?hl=en.
