[Gta04-owner] A short note
Hello, this here just came over the Sourceforge newsletter: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/11/03/2012226/does-linux-have-a-marketing-problem Might be interesting to draw conclusions for Linux based phones in a straight line... Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > The question is if you are searching for the right thing. I already found it. More than 12 years ago by accident in the Nokia 6233. Then it turned out that some phones from Sony were also affected, but not such severe. For this reason I know which detectors are needed to find it. It's nothing that a healthy reasonable person ever would expect, especially not in a phone. > It may just be a honey-pot for you I wouldn't call this involuntarily horror trip a honey-pot. > and the really rogue things are hidden and undetectable... Indeed it was just by accident that I stumbled over it. > This is why I still hold my claim that you can't detect all such activities and not by simple means like the neo900 does. I'm talking about exactly ONE of such activities. No clue how much more shit had been stuffed inside it. But it would contradict all experiences that if there's one, that there will not be more. > IAW: if you have to cross a swamp don't try to dry it but use a boat or helicopter. You joker! What do you think why I bought a GTA04A4 from you and are now asking for a Neo900 ??? Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > Well, this will give 99% of the time false positives, at least initially. yes, indeed! That is called apprentice's due. Or a German word translated in English: If you do planing, you'll produce shavings. > My key argument is that it may not be possible to learn by trial and error how to distinguish > because the distinguishing information is missing... Here's a little difference between us both: I know exactly for what I'm searching for. But no more comment to this. > To give a specific example: how can a current consumption detector or RF activity measurement distinguish > between a cell handover which leaks 2-3 bytes private data from one without sending that. IMHO, a good > detector should be able to report exactly that. In this case you need some completely different detectors, located additionally outside of the phone. But no more comment. > Therefore I believe (yes it is also a believe :-) more in encryption technology than the extra hardware planned for the Neo900. This believe is not justified. We all know Moore’s law. As long as this is still valid, everything that will be encrypted today can be decrypted later. > On the other hand, what Outlook does the Linux kernel have? Regularly fixed release dates! Never underestimate this! I talked about synchronizing individual fun experiences. OpenMoko / QtMoko: Thank you for your detailed history lesson! Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, >> Neo900 planned a couple of stuff that would have domesticated that beast at least up to a certain level. >> Such smart things like measuring its power consumption and validate if it's reasonable compared with >> its current instructed actions with the option to automatically switch it off. > > Well, I have my own opinion on this... > It is: this stuff is useless. > > The reason is that nobody can test if these detectors really work. > To test a fire alarm you must make some smoke. But how can you trigger the modem to make rogue activities to check if they are detected? I completely disagree! The fact that the fundamental nature of rogue activities is that they CANNOT be triggered by you, because the roguishness persist exactly in the fact that it will be triggered by others, consequently results in the NEED for exactly this stuff. The proceeding is quite simple: You claim anything to be weird that you don't understand. Just an ordinary trial-and-error approach. And this stuff is exactly what you need for that! >> It just needs a look behind the big firewall of China. I claim the situation there is already apocalyptic. >> And it's no dream anymore. It's already damned reality. > > Yes, I know. But that is not a technological issue. Technology was second. The situation is there for 30 years or more... The book "The Shockwave Rider" meanwhile is more than 40 years old and the described scenario is independent from any concrete political situation. It rather depicts a general interplay between evolution of technology on the one hand and degenerating of freedom of society on the other hand. So there's no reason not to fear that this could also happen to us. In fact it's just a question of time. >>> Therefore we simply must restart with something as a big team. >> >> Yes, indeed. But you'll get such a big team only if you can provide a clear aim. >> One of the last Sourceforge Newsletters provided a very interesting article about >> the needs how to build a good and effective Open Source team. > > Yes, I remember similar articles. A key aspect is that people must see a benefit with the results. > Either a personal for hobbyists (could be learning something, appreciation, presenting as a good > software developer) or a commercial one (saves money for the company they are working for). I heavily doubt that a pure materialistic benefit is the reason for the need of a clear outlook. Instead of that I assume that the real need for it is a result out of the individual fun factor of programming: You need a means for synchronizing all the individuals in some way. So you need to place milestones and you need to make transparent if or how much they have been reached in order to prevent exactly that diffusing that you have here in this project. Once again I claim that it was a failure to declare it as an project for arbitrary tinkering on anything that vaguely looks or acts like a phone. > Well, my vision for QtMoko2 would be: > > * modernized base: latest kernels, latest development tools, latest Debian as basis > * remove bugs - just make it work out-of-the-box > * modularized: just apt-get install what you want to have (or even write a GUI app for that - sort of an Appstore) > * runs on different hardware (existing and upcoming) > > IMHO a lot of aspects to work for. +1 > In the early days, the benefit of QtMoko was to get something which did not exist before (besides iOS 1.0 and Android 0.5). Ooops. Did I mess up something? As far as I know OpenMoko was the first smartphone on the market and Apple, Google and Co. did unscrupulous cherrypicking from its ideas. Am I wrong here? Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 17.04.2019 20:48 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, > Am 17.04.2019 um 20:31 schrieb Sven Dyroff : > > Hello Nicolaus, > > > Well, I don't fear the modem. > > I do. And I exactly know why. > > > As soon as you want to make use of it you have to turn it on and accept that it is not trustworthy and can't be. > > Neo900 planned a couple of stuff that would have domesticated that beast at least up to a certain level. Such smart things like measuring its power consumption and validate if it's reasonable compared with its current instructed actions with the option to automatically switch it off. Well, I have my own opinion on this... It is: this stuff is useless. The reason is that nobody can test if these detectors really work. To test a fire alarm you must make some smoke. But how can you trigger the modem to make rogue activities to check if they are detected? >
Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko2
Hello Nicolaus, > Well, I don't fear the modem. I do. And I exactly know why. > As soon as you want to make use of it you have to turn it on and accept that it is not trustworthy and can't be. Neo900 planned a couple of stuff that would have domesticated that beast at least up to a certain level. Such smart things like measuring its power consumption and validate if it's reasonable compared with its current instructed actions with the option to automatically switch it off. > As long as it is a separate one connected through e.g. USB and some AT commands for control. We all agree that this is essential. But I claim that this is by far not enough. With the GTA04 you just had good luck with your modem choice by accident. > At least in the dreams of some IoT evangelists. ... > Well, I don't share your pessimism and apocalyptic view here... It just needs a look behind the big firewall of China. I claim the situation there is already apocalyptic. And it's no dream anymore. It's already damned reality. > Especially if it seems to end in a "we can't do anything about it". > I believe we can do something. It is not easy and does not go over night. > But small steps are small steps if they go to the right direction. Just ask Chinese activists how much they can do. > Therefore we simply must restart with something as a big team. Yes, indeed. But you'll get such a big team only if you can provide a clear aim. One of the last Sourceforge Newsletters provided a very interesting article about the needs how to build a good and effective Open Source team. Unfortunately I don't have it anymore. But I remember that a clear outlook was one of the basic requirements. Best regards Sven P.S.: Did I already mention at any time that I like QtMoko very much? ;-) ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] QtMoko2
Hello Nicolaus, > So let's people popup here and tell they want to help to continue QtMoko! but the question is: On which hardware? > As far as I know the Neo900 project has starved to death. this is the basic problem. GTA04 cannot work with 4G and we all know that 2G as well as 3G frequencies will be switched off in the next couple of years due to the needs for 5G. So GTA04 has no long-term future anymore. Not to mention all the soldering problems with GTA04A5. Neo900 would have been the consequent successor for the GTA04, because it was the only project that reflected that in order to build a mobile phone that you can trust to the most crucial thing is the modem. This project planned to take precautions for every nastiness of which we know about at least since Edward Snowden for driving its 4G modem. This still wouldn't have been effective against some nastinesses of which even Edward Snowden didn't know about, but that's another theme. In my eyes all other projects like Librem5 are only bullshit. Their only purpose is to cause confusion and to deflect from the basic problem: The modem! But Neo900 died and noone knows to where all the money has gone to that they collected. And meanwhile times have changed to be even worse: Not only that people don't consider about the trustworthiness of their phone. No, they now even buy phones and watches that measure their health state, by constantly transmitting data about heartbeat, temperature, skin resistance and so on to many fancy servers all around the world. Noone of them worries about the possible consequences. So we're consequently walking into scenarios like these: The GPS of your phone transmits that you entered a supermarket. The health sensors suddenly transmit that your heartbeat and your temperature is rising and your skin resistance is falling. Some fancy server transmits an alert message to the security of the supermarket because it assumes that you have stolen something. They come to you in order to search your clothes and don't believe you that you only got a hay fever attac at the flower storage rack. So who wants still support QtMoko2? Perhaps best thing would be to read the book "The Shockwave Rider" from John Brunner (again) and by this time reconsider that mankind manged to organize itself without mobile phone for thousands of years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shockwave_Rider The picture on the cover of the German version already tells everything, so I attached it... Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: NeronGPS still alive
Hello Nicolaus, a) I emphasized NeronGPS because I cannot tell you if the associated timer problem might be existent. I can only tell you that the navigation is still working properly. b) I'm still dreaming of having my GTA04A5 working with sound, properly. The descriptions that Andreas Kemnade sent some months ago didn't help me, because I'm not such deeply familiar with all the details and for this reason I simply didn't understand most of what he meant. But if I understand the whole situation correctly, then it's like this: There're exactly three persons still interested in this project: - You, who always release new kernel versions, - Andreas Kemnade, who practically uses the phone at his bicycle, - and me, who uses new software only when presented palatablely (in order to be honest). All other members of this list are tinkering with many other tinkering phones or are waiting for advertised phenomenal completely new phones that will never come (like the Neo900), and for this reason are just diffusing the whole movement in every imaginable direction. That's simply much too little for keeping the project going forward... :-( Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 16.04.2019 14:22 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] NeronGPS still alive Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, > Am 16.04.2019 um 14:16 schrieb Sven Dyroff : > > Hello, > > to whom it may concern: > > QtMoko's NeronGPS of the GTA04A4 silently survived the GPS Week Rollover! > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_Week_Number_Rollover_2019 > > It's still working without any trouble! \o/ \o/ \o/ Great! Well, it is less the Neron software but the GPS module inside which is robust against week rollovers... Best regards and thanks for sharing this news, Nikolaus BTW: I am still dreaming of reviving QtMoko (e.g. Stretch/Buster compatible debian packages) but can't do that alone... So if there are enough people interested, we should work together. ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] NeronGPS still alive
Hello, to whom it may concern: QtMoko's NeronGPS of the GTA04A4 silently survived the GPS Week Rollover! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_Week_Number_Rollover_2019 It's still working without any trouble! \o/ \o/ \o/ Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Some more trials with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, meanwhile I had the time to play around a little bit more with QtMoko2. Here're my findings: While booting QtMoko v55 from SD card, it shows a nice little SD card with QtMoko logo in the middle of the screen. While booting QtMoko2 from SD card, I'll only get a small blinking cursore at the upper left corner. Why? When I open "Settings"/"Language" in QtMoko v55, I'll get a list with 9 languages. QtMoko2 only shows me "English" and nothing more. Are there some language configuration files missing in the QtMoko2 package? SMS sending as well as receiving works properly. I scp'ed an mp3 to the "/home/root/Documents" folder. When I call "Documents" and select "Rescan system" from the menu, it will appear as expected. But when touching the mp3, the Media Player will hang at 0:00 / 0:00 and will not start to play it. I tried the same mp3 with QtMoko v55. There the Media Player will automatically start and play the file. I guess it's a consecutive fault of this, that indeed I can initiate as well as receive telephone calls, but will neither get a ringtone (vibra works well), nor hear anything from what the other side talks. Interestingly microphone works well. The other side can always hear what I'm talking. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, >> Ok, this works. The ball is now moving fast like hell... >> IMHO too fast, but it now looks like with the GTA02 video. >> >> ... >> >> I'll now push the update to the server. Please try an apt-get upgrade in >> some hours (should load & install qtmoko-gta04_60.20180418-1_armhf.deb ). > > And here is a new video: > > https://youtu.be/DSbuXz_EZTo yeahhh, that's it!\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ Whereat I cannot confirm that the ball is "fast like hell". In fact this electronic version of the game already has much reduced speed compared with the original mechanical game. Especially the ones which came from cheapest production had such a lightweight case and also lightweight ball inside, that they really reacted fast like hell. But in any case you now managed to restore the original speed of QtMaze and the artistry recommended by you is to tilt the device very very slowly and carefully... Thank you very much! Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > It looks as if it is much more often reporting accelerometer events (ca. 15ms) than the 4.16 kernel (ca. 100-200ms). > But neither change has the effect of making the graphics faster and smoother. > So there is likely a third factor involved when comparing to GTA02. no, I think you've found the cause! 100-200ms results in a frame rate of 5 to 10 Hz which is awfully slow! We all know that for a smooth motion presentation 20 to 25 Hz are needed at least! Very old black and white films had 16 pictures per second and at least the older ones of us still know how jerking they looked. Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 17.04.2018 16:16 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 17.04.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, > The A3 has a HMC5883, the A4 has BMA180, the A5 has a BMC150 and the Pyra has a BMC150 or BNO055. > So different sensor chips all seem to have the same effects. > > Therefore, I think it is not the low level chip driver (we always use the iio driver > of Linux) but something on higher level up into QtMaze... perhaps the accelerometer drivers of Linux kernels without device tree behave different than those with device tree? Indeed. I did a test to install letux-3.7-neil-plus-plus kernel on the µSD with latest QtMoko and (after haking some boot problems), I could run evtest /dev/input/accel as well. It looks as if it is much more often reporting accelerometer events (ca. 15ms) than the 4.16 kernel (ca. 100-200ms). This means either the chip drivers or the input event system has changed - or both. And I had found a bug in Radek's original GTA04 code which is less a problem for fast accelerometer reports but for those coming more rarely. But neither change has the effect of making the graphics faster and smoother. So there is likely a third factor involved when comparing to GTA02. BR, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > The A3 has a HMC5883, the A4 has BMA180, the A5 has a BMC150 and the Pyra has a BMC150 or BNO055. > So different sensor chips all seem to have the same effects. > > Therefore, I think it is not the low level chip driver (we always use the iio driver > of Linux) but something on higher level up into QtMaze... perhaps the accelerometer drivers of Linux kernels without device tree behave different than those with device tree? Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > With which software version & kernel? QtMoko v55 with kernel Linux-3.7.0-gta04-qtmoko-v55. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, my GTA04A5 shows exactly the same behaviour as shown in your videos. My GTA04A4 shows exactly the same behaviour as shown in the Freerunner video. My assumtion is that the problem is located in the driver of the accelerometer. Some years ago I had a similar problem with an ADC driver. I got new values only once a second although the ADC chip was able to deliver several thousands of values per second. An inspection of the driver revealed that there has been an hard coded time delay inside it... :-o Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, on my GTA04A5 it behaves exactly as expected: The ball now moves to the correct directions, but slowly and stuttering. Like if you view a film with not enough pictures per second. Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 13.04.2018 17:48 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 12.04.2018 um 19:35 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller : Hi Sven, Am 12.04.2018 um 17:55 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, have you tried if GTA04A5 now moves the ball in QtMaze as smooth, fast and natural and without stuttering as the GTA04A4? Well, I don't know what you expect for "smooth, fast and natura"l, I just found that they move almost the same now between both devices - and qtmoko2. So, finally, I have checked (and additionally fixed the z axis inversion for GTA04A5) and the files are now on the server: root@letux:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: qtmoko-gta04 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 24.2 MB of archives. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! qtmoko-gta04 Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y Get:1 http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/debian/ wheezy/main qtmoko-gta04 armhf 60.20180413-1 [24.2 MB] Fetched 24.2 MB in 32s (737 kB/s) (Reading database ... 21235 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace qtmoko-gta04 60.20180411-1 (using .../qtmoko-gta04_60.20180413-1_armhf.deb) ... Unpacking replacement qtmoko-gta04 ... Setting up qtmoko-gta04 (60.20180413-1) ... localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 0 KiB localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 0 KiB Total disk space freed by localepurge: 0 KiB root@letux:~# BR, Nikolaus I don't have time to make a 2nd SD cards to boot two devices and compare them in parallel... So answering this question seems to be in better hands if you do it. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:12.04.2018 14:52 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Am 12.04.2018 um 14:32 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, it would astonish me if you're right, but of course I'll then test it again in order to give you a chance to astonish me...:-)) I have done this test for you: GTA04A4 and GTA04A5 with display upside on the table with the same µSD card (i.e. boot A5 first, then swap card and boot A4). Run evtest /dev/input/accel | head -20 and write down highest X/Y/Z values. On a GTA04A5: root@letux:~# evtest /dev/input/accel | head -20 Input driver version is 1.0.1 Input device ID: bus 0x0 vendor 0x0 product 0x0 version 0x0 Input device name: "accelerometer-iio-input-bridge" Supported events: Event type 0 (EV_SYN) Event type 3 (EV_ABS) Event code 0 (ABS_X) Value 14 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 1 (ABS_Y) Value-32 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 2 (ABS_Z) Value -253 Min -511 Max 511 Properties: Testing ... (interrupt to exit) root@letux:~# This means: X=14/256 = +5%, Y=--32/256 = -12%, Z=-253/256 = -99% On a GTA04A4: root@letux:~# evtest /dev/input/accel | head -20 Input driver version is 1.0.1 Input device ID: bus 0x0 vendor 0x0 product 0x0 version 0x0 Input device name: "accelerometer-iio-input-bridge" Supported events: Event type 0 (EV_SYN) Event type 3 (EV_ABS) Event code 0 (ABS_X) Value-15 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 1 (ABS_Y) Value -5 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 2 (ABS_Z) Value274 Min -511 Max 511 Properties: Testing ... (interrupt to exit) root@letux:~# This means: X=-15/256 = +6%, Y=--5/256 = -2%, Z=274/256 = +107% Comparing A4 and A5: they basically behave *the same* regarding the range and report both +/-256 for 1g. They just differ in the orientation of the sensor. I.e. the Z axis also has a sign error. This is still missing in my correction patch. To make it really precise I should rotate both devices by 90° and write down all values... What I don't know and can't compare is if they behave like a GTA02... And if a total value of ~1g is what QtMaze expects. And if the QtMaze makes use of the Z-axis at all (doesn't look as if it does). BR, Nikolaus
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, have you tried if GTA04A5 now moves the ball in QtMaze as smooth, fast and natural and without stuttering as the GTA04A4? Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 12.04.2018 14:52 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Am 12.04.2018 um 14:32 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, it would astonish me if you're right, but of course I'll then test it again in order to give you a chance to astonish me...:-)) I have done this test for you: GTA04A4 and GTA04A5 with display upside on the table with the same µSD card (i.e. boot A5 first, then swap card and boot A4). Run evtest /dev/input/accel | head -20 and write down highest X/Y/Z values. On a GTA04A5: root@letux:~# evtest /dev/input/accel | head -20 Input driver version is 1.0.1 Input device ID: bus 0x0 vendor 0x0 product 0x0 version 0x0 Input device name: "accelerometer-iio-input-bridge" Supported events: Event type 0 (EV_SYN) Event type 3 (EV_ABS) Event code 0 (ABS_X) Value 14 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 1 (ABS_Y) Value-32 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 2 (ABS_Z) Value -253 Min -511 Max 511 Properties: Testing ... (interrupt to exit) root@letux:~# This means: X=14/256 = +5%, Y=--32/256 = -12%, Z=-253/256 = -99% On a GTA04A4: root@letux:~# evtest /dev/input/accel | head -20 Input driver version is 1.0.1 Input device ID: bus 0x0 vendor 0x0 product 0x0 version 0x0 Input device name: "accelerometer-iio-input-bridge" Supported events: Event type 0 (EV_SYN) Event type 3 (EV_ABS) Event code 0 (ABS_X) Value-15 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 1 (ABS_Y) Value -5 Min -511 Max 511 Event code 2 (ABS_Z) Value274 Min -511 Max 511 Properties: Testing ... (interrupt to exit) root@letux:~# This means: X=-15/256 = +6%, Y=--5/256 = -2%, Z=274/256 = +107% Comparing A4 and A5: they basically behave *the same* regarding the range and report both +/-256 for 1g. They just differ in the orientation of the sensor. I.e. the Z axis also has a sign error. This is still missing in my correction patch. To make it really precise I should rotate both devices by 90° and write down all values... What I don't know and can't compare is if they behave like a GTA02... And if a total value of ~1g is what QtMaze expects. And if the QtMaze makes use of the Z-axis at all (doesn't look as if it does). BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:12.04.2018 14:25 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 12.04.2018 um 14:19 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, fine, but this will "only" correct the swapping. It will still not correct the calibration. Whereat the comments of the affected source give a nice hint: "On my GTA04, sitting flat on the table, the raw Z acceleration value is about 256, so we divide by 256 here." So I suggest to add a further printf of the value of "accel -> z", in order that your code will provide you the needed calibration data that you can then use for "accel -> [xyz]scale" in case of having detected a GTA04A5. It is easier than a printf: evtest /dev/input/accel reports the range [0..512] and the current values. I have checked that and the GTA04A5 also reports roughly 256. So I think you should test (after I have uploaded it to the server) if it is now ok for you. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:Sven Dyroff Kopie:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:11.04.2018 19:21 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Hi Sven, Am 05.04.2018 um 18:05 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, > I have now booted my GTA04A4 and the orientation is completely correct. > Hm. Maybe a subtle difference between GTA04A4 and A5? They use different accelerometer chips. something like that is what I already assumed. Would have wondered me if some scaling factors would have gone lost by just rebuilding QtMoko... I have now added a device version detection to swap the horizontal axis if we run on a GTA04A5: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=commit;h=04c30a3b18be8b55148427d6c63423837f6a77cc I have not yet published the new debian packages, but will do soon. So apt-get update will not yet find anything new. BR, Nikolaus
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, it would astonish me if you're right, but of course I'll then test it again in order to give you a chance to astonish me...:-)) Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 12.04.2018 14:25 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 12.04.2018 um 14:19 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, fine, but this will "only" correct the swapping. It will still not correct the calibration. Whereat the comments of the affected source give a nice hint: "On my GTA04, sitting flat on the table, the raw Z acceleration value is about 256, so we divide by 256 here." So I suggest to add a further printf of the value of "accel -> z", in order that your code will provide you the needed calibration data that you can then use for "accel -> [xyz]scale" in case of having detected a GTA04A5. It is easier than a printf: evtest /dev/input/accel reports the range [0..512] and the current values. I have checked that and the GTA04A5 also reports roughly 256. So I think you should test (after I have uploaded it to the server) if it is now ok for you. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:Sven Dyroff Kopie:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:11.04.2018 19:21 Betreff: Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Hi Sven, Am 05.04.2018 um 18:05 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, > I have now booted my GTA04A4 and the orientation is completely correct. > Hm. Maybe a subtle difference between GTA04A4 and A5? They use different accelerometer chips. something like that is what I already assumed. Would have wondered me if some scaling factors would have gone lost by just rebuilding QtMoko... I have now added a device version detection to swap the horizontal axis if we run on a GTA04A5: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=commit;h=04c30a3b18be8b55148427d6c63423837f6a77cc I have not yet published the new debian packages, but will do soon. So apt-get update will not yet find anything new. BR, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, fine, but this will "only" correct the swapping. It will still not correct the calibration. Whereat the comments of the affected source give a nice hint: "On my GTA04, sitting flat on the table, the raw Z acceleration value is about 256, so we divide by 256 here." So I suggest to add a further printf of the value of "accel -> z", in order that your code will provide you the needed calibration data that you can then use for "accel -> [xyz]scale" in case of having detected a GTA04A5. Best regards Sven Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: Sven Dyroff Kopie: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 11.04.2018 19:21 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2 Hi Sven, Am 05.04.2018 um 18:05 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, > I have now booted my GTA04A4 and the orientation is completely correct. > Hm. Maybe a subtle difference between GTA04A4 and A5? They use different accelerometer chips. something like that is what I already assumed. Would have wondered me if some scaling factors would have gone lost by just rebuilding QtMoko... I have now added a device version detection to swap the horizontal axis if we run on a GTA04A5: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=commit;h=04c30a3b18be8b55148427d6c63423837f6a77cc I have not yet published the new debian packages, but will do soon. So apt-get update will not yet find anything new. BR, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > I have now booted my GTA04A4 and the orientation is completely correct. > Hm. Maybe a subtle difference between GTA04A4 and A5? They use different accelerometer chips. something like that is what I already assumed. Would have wondered me if some scaling factors would have gone lost by just rebuilding QtMoko... The bad news of this is, that I guess it will perhaps not be quite easy to get the used behaviour from the GTA04A4 reproduced on the GTA04A5 again. > there is even a short rumble if the ball hits the walls :) Nice. Yes, it's also a demonstration for the buzzer. You never tried that little but lovely game before? Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > BTW: does autorotate now work? Autorotation is something that I never liked and always tried to avoid. Would be nice if this now would be switched off... :-D Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > So we now have a working accelerometer for QtMaze. Nice :) > > Just boot, connect to the Internet and > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade indeed the update worked and I can confirm that QtMaze now reacts to accelerometer and also touching the buttons now works. But unfortunately I cannot confirm that it's nice. Instead reaction is slow, stuttering and i.e. left and right is reversed. In v55 with GTA04A4 it was smooth, felt natural and the directions were correct. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > Here it is: > > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ > > And I have added a first sketch of real build instructions. But I haven't tested every command: > > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/page/Build/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ Absolutely great! Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, >> I still don't understand. gta04-qtmoko is in size of MB and in amount of files about *half* of qtmoko2-qte, but nevertheless should contain it? > > They are mapped as git submodules inside the gta04-qtmoko tree and you need to git submodule init + git submodule update first, before they are really loaded. hhh, now it makes sense! Now gta04-qtmoko has 82679 files and its size is 1 GB. I already assumed that there must be lots of stuff missing... So just for summarizing in case that there are also others in this list who need a "QtMoko sources for bloody Dummies" manual: git clone git://git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git cd gta04-qtmoko git submodule init git submodule update does the whole trick! Would be nice if you could put that to your http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ No need to mention how to build that at this point. Just for beginning to have QtMoko2 pages with current information... ;-) I don't intend to build that whole stuff at this time. I only want to understand what I have under my fingers. Qt was something that again and again crossed my way during my work, and up to now every time I pushed it aside due to other priorities. Now I have a motivation to take at least a little deeper look into it. :-) Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Andreas, > The qtmoko2-qte contains qt (with scripts to compile the embedded > variant called qte). gta04-qtmoko contains the whole thing (from which > qt should be excluded). > > The future would be to remove qt from gta04-qtmoko and make it depend > on qtmoko2-qte. I still don't understand. gta04-qtmoko is in size of MB and in amount of files about *half* of qtmoko2-qte, but nevertheless should contain it? Or do gta04-qtmoko as well as qtmoko2-qte both contain a couple of the same files? But at least with a first diff I wasn't able to find an identical block. Which parts of the both directory trees should contain the same thing (-> qt)? Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > The best one seems to be: > > git clone http://git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git why not "git clone git://git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git"? I tried this and it worked fine. But delivered only 23417 files with a size of 332.6 MB. So now I have two directories on my hard disk: "gta04-qtmoko" and "qtmoko2-qte", which are totally disjunct. Is this correct? Do these two directories contain the whole QtMoko2 or is there still something missing of that "nasty beast of mixed projects"? Sorry for the silly questions, but these are my very first steps with Qt at all. At least I now was able to find the source mentioned by Andreas and was even see that the mentioned line had already been modified to: char gta04_accel_file[] = "/dev/input/accel"; Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 04.04.2018 14:29 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, > Am 04.04.2018 um 14:22 schrieb Sven Dyroff : > > Hello Nikolaus, > > perhaps I'm really too stupid, and apparently I am assuming too much... So it is a "tie" (Remis / Unentschieden). > but the link only provides an HTML page with lots of more links. That is the GitWeb view. It lists several download options: URL git://git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git http://git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git ssh://_...@git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git _...@git.goldelico.com:/gta04-qtmoko.git g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git The best one seems to be: git clone http://git.goldelico.com/gta04-qtmoko.git > > How can I get the "monster download" of that "nasty beast of mixed projects" from there? > > Best regards >Sven > BR, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, perhaps I'm really too stupid, but the link only provides an HTML page with lots of more links. How can I get the "monster download" of that "nasty beast of mixed projects" from there? Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 04.04.2018 14:12 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Am 04.04.2018 um 14:00 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, > So you should clone from http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=summary just click on the link provided... $ git clone http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=summary Klone nach '?p=gta04-qtmoko' ... fatal: repository 'http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git/' not found $ git clone git://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=summary Klone nach '?p=gta04-qtmoko' ... fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /?p=gta04-qtmoko.git Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, > So you should clone from http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=summary $ git clone http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=summary Klone nach '?p=gta04-qtmoko' ... fatal: repository 'http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git/' not found $ git clone git://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=summary Klone nach '?p=gta04-qtmoko' ... fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /?p=gta04-qtmoko.git Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
P.S.: Can you recommend this: http://jensd.be/800/linux/cross-compiling-for-arm-with-ubuntu-16-04-lts ? - Weitergeleitet von Sven Dyroff/Mainz/Phytec am 04.04.2018 13:29 - Von:Sven Dyroff An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 04.04.2018 13:23 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hello Andreas and Nikolaus, > Same for qte (which I have recently updated): > > http://git.goldelico.com/?p=qtmoko2-qte.git;a=blob;f=README.md;h=e70e57bdda7a69d28d79c1a0b78d6726245d7242;hb=refs/heads/master Meanwhile I downloaded the sources of QtMoko2 by having executed the recommended "git clone git://git.goldelico.com/qtmoko2-qte.git". > I found the piece of suspicious code: > > in src/libraries/accelerometer/accelerometers.cpp > char gta04_accel_file[] = "/dev/input/event1"; I cannot find it. Searching all of the downloaded 582 MB / 51421 files for "gta04_accel_file" returns no results. Searching for "/dev/input/event1" returns three results which don't have anything to do with QtMaze or accelerators. Furthermore https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains#Installation doesn't help. Trying to execute "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.9-armel-cross" or "sudo apt-get install gcc-defaults-armel-cross" under Ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 returns "packet not found". Same is true with "sudo apt-get install pkg-config debhelper libz-dev:armhf libsqlite3-dev:armhf libglib2.0-dev:armhf libgstreamer0.10-dev:armhf libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev:armhf": Not at least one of the mentioned packets can be found. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Sources of QtMoko2
Hello Andreas and Nikolaus, > Same for qte (which I have recently updated): > > http://git.goldelico.com/?p=qtmoko2-qte.git;a=blob;f=README.md;h=e70e57bdda7a69d28d79c1a0b78d6726245d7242;hb=refs/heads/master Meanwhile I downloaded the sources of QtMoko2 by having executed the recommended "git clone git://git.goldelico.com/qtmoko2-qte.git". > I found the piece of suspicious code: > > in src/libraries/accelerometer/accelerometers.cpp > char gta04_accel_file[] = "/dev/input/event1"; I cannot find it. Searching all of the downloaded 582 MB / 51421 files for "gta04_accel_file" returns no results. Searching for "/dev/input/event1" returns three results which don't have anything to do with QtMaze or accelerators. Furthermore https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains#Installation doesn't help. Trying to execute "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.9-armel-cross" or "sudo apt-get install gcc-defaults-armel-cross" under Ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 returns "packet not found". Same is true with "sudo apt-get install pkg-config debhelper libz-dev:armhf libsqlite3-dev:armhf libglib2.0-dev:armhf libgstreamer0.10-dev:armhf libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev:armhf": Not at least one of the mentioned packets can be found. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Second trial with QtMoko2
Hello Andreas, > So especially any regressions (compared to your v55 with old kernel) are interesting. Ok, thank you! Thus will focus on that, now. But then please note that for me QtMaze is really an issue, because it's not only a game. In fact it was a wonderful demonstration for the accelerators of the GTA04. Will do more tests in the next days. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: First trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, QtMaze started, but not reacting to accelerator: %<-- QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread File_loader: 45 game levels parsed GTA04 accelerometer opened ^C Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. 0xb5807f96 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0xb5807f96 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 #1 0xb587d520 in poll () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 #2 0xb56ad412 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libglib-2.0.so.0 #3 0xb56ad412 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libglib-2.0.so.0 Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) >%-- QtMaze started again, touched the screen, then UI not reacting to "X" anymore: %<-- unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=349 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34f unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=347 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=345 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34b unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 ^C Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. 0xb5807f96 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0xb5807f96 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 #1 0xb587d520 in poll () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 #2 0xb56ad412 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libglib-2.0.so.0 #3 0xb56ad412 in ?? () from /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libglib-2.0.so.0 Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) >%-- Trying to get a screenshot: %<-- root@letux:~# apt-get install fbcat Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done fbcat is already the newest version. fbcat set to manually installed. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. root@letux:~# root@letux:~# cd /home/root root@letux:/home/root# fbgrab test.png No PPM -> PNG conversion tool found. Please install Netpbm or GraphicsMagick, or ImageMagick. root@letux:/home/root# root@letux:~# apt-get install Netpbm Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package Netpbm root@letux:~# root@letux:~# apt-get install GraphicsMagick Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package GraphicsMagick root@letux:~# root@letux:~# apt-get install ImageMagick Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package ImageMagick root@letux:~# >%-- ... and now...? One more thing: If there's no SIM inside the phone, nevertheless QtMoko asks for a PIN, but not even show the ok button. I guess that this is intentional due to security reasons. But this means that also for testing a SIM is always needed, even if you're just trying nothing else than debugging a game like in this case. Is there someone out there who could add a security option into NeoControl with that this blocking of the phone in case of no SIM can be disabled? I bought the GTA04A5 especially for testing, and it's very annoying to act as an SJ (SIM jockey) together with my surfstick all the time, which already shared its SIM with my GTA04A4... Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: First trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, after executing your apt-gettings, I now have QtMoko v59 built on Mar 1 2018 and Linux kernel is 4.15.6-letux+. See attached log. Still no reaction on accelerator. Debug messages are now: %<-- QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread File_loader: 45 game levels parsed GTA04 accelerometer opened >%-- Thus the last line with the error is gone. UI will react on touches to "<<" and ">>", but not to "X": %<-- unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34c unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=351 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=352 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=346 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34d unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34e unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=345 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34d unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34e unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 ... ... ... >%-- By the way: How can I create screenshots of the full screen in QtMoko or from the Letux command line? Best regards Sven root@letux:~# apt-get update Ign http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy Release.gpg Ign http://download.goldelico.com wheezy Release.gpg Hit http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg Ign http://download.goldelico.com wheezy Release.gpg Hit http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports Release.gpg Get:1 http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy Release [3256 B] Hit http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy Release Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg Get:2 http://download.goldelico.com wheezy Release [3256 B] Hit http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports Release Get:3 http://download.goldelico.com wheezy Release [3256 B] Ign http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy/main Sources/DiffIndex Ign http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy/main armhf Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://download.goldelico.com wheezy/main armhf Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release Get:4 http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy/main Sources [5649 B] Ign http://download.goldelico.com wheezy/main armhf Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy/non-free armhf Packages Get:5 http://download.goldelico.com wheezy/main armhf Packages [24.7 kB] Get:6 http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy/main armhf Packages [24.7 kB] Hit http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy/non-free Translation-en Get:7 http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports/main armhf Packages/DiffIndex [27.8 kB] Get:8 http://download.goldelico.com wheezy/main armhf Packages [24.7 kB] Ign http://www.qtmoko.net wheezy/main Translation-en Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/main armhf Packages Get:9 http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports/non-free armhf Packages/DiffIndex [736 B] Get:10 http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports/main Translation-en/DiffIndex [10.9 kB] Ign http://download.goldelico.com wheezy/main Translation-en Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/main Translation-en Ign http://download.goldelico.com wheezy/main Translation-en Get:11 http://httpredir.debian.org wheezy-backports/non-free Translation-en/DiffIndex [2980 B] Fetched 132 kB in 14s (8940 B/s) Reading package lists... Done root@letux:~# root@letux:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: letux-qtmoko The following packages will be upgraded: letux-base letux-minimal qtmoko-gta04 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 24.2 MB of archives. After this operation, 2048 B disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! letux-minimal letux-base qtmoko-gta04 Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y Get:1 http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/debian/ wheezy/main letux-minimal all 0.20180316171325 [924 B] Get:2 http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/debian/ wheezy/main letux-base all 0.20180316171247 [984 B] Get:3 http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/debian/ wheezy/main qtmoko-gta04 armhf 59-1 [24.2 MB] Fetched 24.2 MB in 39s (610 kB/s) (Reading database ... 21228 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace letux-minimal 0.20180113093004 (using .../letux-minimal_0.20180316171325_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement letux-minimal ... Preparing to replace letux-base 0.20180110171659 (using .../letux-base_0.20180316171247_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement letux-base ... Preparing to replace qtmoko-gta04 59-1 (using .../qtmoko-
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: First trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, first problem not reacting to the accelerometer after starting the game: --%<- QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread QSocketNotifier: Can only be used with threads started with QThread File_loader: 45 game levels parsed GTA04 accelerometer opened readFile failed /sys/bus/platform/devices/twl4030_usb/vbus : "No such file or directory" -->%- Second problem UI not reacting to any touches on the screen anymore: --%<- unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=346 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34e unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=353 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=354 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=355 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=342 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34b unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=350 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=351 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=348 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34f unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=349 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=0 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=349 unknown mouse event type=3, code=18, value=34f ... ... ... -->%- Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 28.03.2018 17:08 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: First trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 28.03.2018 um 16:41 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, --%< root@letux:~# ./qpe-debug Already on 'wheezy' GNU gdb (GDB) 7.4.1-debian Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later < http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "arm-linux-gnueabihf". For bug reporting instructions, please see: <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>... Reading symbols from /opt/qtmoko/bin/qpe...(no debugging symbols found)...done. /root/core: No such file or directory. SignalStopPrintPass to programDescription SIGPIPE NoNoYesBroken pipe Source directories searched: /root/qtmoko/src:$cdir:$cwd (gdb) -->% Fine! At this point QtMoko just hangs. I guess debugger awaits some commands. Please advice... Ah, yes. Just "r" = run Maybe you need: "ctl-C" to interrupt and "c" to continue. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:28.03.2018 14:03 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] First trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi, Am 28.03.2018 um 13:03 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello, meanwhile I got the phone from Thierry. So now I can keep my "old" GTA04A4 with the well working QtMoko v55 and use the "new" GTA04A5 for being able to play around as much as I want without risking to brick anything that I need or that I'm at least used to have functional. Many thanks to Thierry! But I'm just still a little bit alienated that apparently noone other voted for getting that excellent phone. Especially are there really no more developers around who're still interested in it? Looks to me as if people (especially outside of our list) simply don't know what they are missing... Some seem to prefer to wait for a Librem 5 or Neo900 instead of playing with existing hardware. Nevertheless, with this phone I was able to boot the SD card that I previously created due to the advices of Nikolaus and Andreas without any problems. QtMoko2 came up, asked me for touch calibrating and PIN, then was ready to be played with. Fine! That is how software should work "out of the box". Although difficult to achieve... After having satified some of my first curiosity by calling the application "system information" and getting informed that it's QtMoko v59 built at Feb, 23th, 2018 with kernel built by "hns" - thus Nikolaus - that I have under my fingers, I straightforwardedly choosed the game application QtMaze. But there instead of being able to jockey a ball into a hole by nicely tilting the phone, QtMoko hang up comp
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: First trial with QtMoko2
Hello Nikolaus, --%< root@letux:~# ./qpe-debug Already on 'wheezy' GNU gdb (GDB) 7.4.1-debian Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later < http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "arm-linux-gnueabihf". For bug reporting instructions, please see: <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>... Reading symbols from /opt/qtmoko/bin/qpe...(no debugging symbols found)...done. /root/core: No such file or directory. SignalStop Print Pass to program Description SIGPIPE NoNo Yes Broken pipe Source directories searched: /root/qtmoko/src:$cdir:$cwd (gdb) -->% At this point QtMoko just hangs. I guess debugger awaits some commands. Please advice... Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 28.03.2018 14:03 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] First trial with QtMoko2 Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi, Am 28.03.2018 um 13:03 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello, meanwhile I got the phone from Thierry. So now I can keep my "old" GTA04A4 with the well working QtMoko v55 and use the "new" GTA04A5 for being able to play around as much as I want without risking to brick anything that I need or that I'm at least used to have functional. Many thanks to Thierry! But I'm just still a little bit alienated that apparently noone other voted for getting that excellent phone. Especially are there really no more developers around who're still interested in it? Looks to me as if people (especially outside of our list) simply don't know what they are missing... Some seem to prefer to wait for a Librem 5 or Neo900 instead of playing with existing hardware. Nevertheless, with this phone I was able to boot the SD card that I previously created due to the advices of Nikolaus and Andreas without any problems. QtMoko2 came up, asked me for touch calibrating and PIN, then was ready to be played with. Fine! That is how software should work "out of the box". Although difficult to achieve... After having satified some of my first curiosity by calling the application "system information" and getting informed that it's QtMoko v59 built at Feb, 23th, 2018 with kernel built by "hns" - thus Nikolaus - that I have under my fingers, I straightforwardedly choosed the game application QtMaze. But there instead of being able to jockey a ball into a hole by nicely tilting the phone, QtMoko hang up completely at once and reliably reproducible . Only removing the battery will be able to wake it up again. Well, it might use the accelerometer chip and the new code may not have been updated to "understand" the different chips or kernel API of the GTA04A5. Should not be very difficult to fix. Maybe you can install: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=blob;f=scripts/qpe-debug;h=139441e573ebb6d860f8de8dbc840bbf4a4867d2;hb=407fc14951fb30b9b7b0fb9259efa212c0ce4c09 on the SD card and ssh into the device and then run /root/qpe-debug. Then QtMoko should come up as usual but will not suspend and print more logs. Maybe there is a helpful log entry before/when QtMaze hangs. So now the dump question is: Who will clone some developers who fix such insignificant but aggravating regressions? Might it really be that even such irrelevant trivia (in regard to their importance, of course not in regard to the time and effort for a developer) will all stick at Nikolaus? We should also mention Andreas and Josua who have made this possible by their contributions. Nevertheless, we are just a tiny team. BR, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] First trial with QtMoko2
Hello, meanwhile I got the phone from Thierry. So now I can keep my "old" GTA04A4 with the well working QtMoko v55 and use the "new" GTA04A5 for being able to play around as much as I want without risking to brick anything that I need or that I'm at least used to have functional. Many thanks to Thierry! But I'm just still a little bit alienated that apparently noone other voted for getting that excellent phone. Especially are there really no more developers around who're still interested in it? Nevertheless, with this phone I was able to boot the SD card that I previously created due to the advices of Nikolaus and Andreas without any problems. QtMoko2 came up, asked me for touch calibrating and PIN, then was ready to be played with. After having satified some of my first curiosity by calling the application "system information" and getting informed that it's QtMoko v59 built at Feb, 23th, 2018 with kernel built by "hns" - thus Nikolaus - that I have under my fingers, I straightforwardedly choosed the game application QtMaze. But there instead of being able to jockey a ball into a hole by nicely tilting the phone, QtMoko hang up completely at once and reliably reproducible . Only removing the battery will be able to wake it up again. So now the dump question is: Who will clone some developers who fix such insignificant but aggravating regressions? Might it really be that even such irrelevant trivia (in regard to their importance, of course not in regard to the time and effort for a developer) will all stick at Nikolaus? Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 based letux phone for sale
Hello, is there any developer out there who wants to have it? Otherwise I'll buy it now for testing QtMoko2. Best regards Sven Von:tgrauss An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 20.03.2018 12:04 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 based letux phone for sale Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hello, Unfortunatly, for financial reason, I would like to sale my GTA04A5 phone. I will have to go back to my old Nokia 3310. It is a complete phone, not only the latest motherboard. It comes with the camera, the Flash led soldered and the antenna for the FM transmitter is soldered and installed inside the enclosure. There are 2 back covers included. One without holes for the camera and flash, and another one with the holes. The phones has installed a QTMoko on a 32GB high speed sd card. What is sold: - Full GTA04A5 based phone - Optional Camera installed - Optional flash installed - Optional FM transmitter antenna - Power supply - Male microUSB to Female full size USBadapter to use the phone as USB host - RS232 cable to connect the phone on the computer with serial link - board and keys to create a gamepad for the phone (see the openmoko diy gamepad) - 32 GB high speed SD card (with QTMOKO installed) - 2 batteries (1 in the phone and 1 spare) - 2 backplates (1 without holes for the camera and flash and 1 with these holes) With the software currently installed, I can make and receive calls and write and read SMS, and plays some games on it. Price : 500 euros + shipping ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Helldriving with basic and essential scripts
Hello Nikolaus, > Phew. Got an even longer answer but I hope it helps all of us to get back patience and enthusiasm. many thanks for all your efforts! Meanwhile I again feel much better. Getting some distance helps very much. Nevertheless I'll answer much more shortly in this mail. Thank you for all the technical hints and aspects. But I need much more time in order to get the head free again to think abaout them (and especially reload much more swap space into my short memory for this purpose...). At this time I can only tell you that I find all your arguments reasonable and traceable. Will focus on much more general things in this mail. > quality (testing) is what you really pay for in commercial software. There you can expect and request that there are no significant faults because you pay for. Ooops! Did you ever use Windows? You'll find very early that Micro$oft uses you as cheap beta tester! > See Windows updates for Meltdown/Spectre patches which freeze the PC. Or MacOS updates which looses the complete mailbox. Exactly this is what I meant...;-) > Yes, this is why I have invested so much personal time to get QtMoko 2 compiling and running again. > Because I think that it may be 8 years old, but it still is the best Phone GUI we have which is completely community driven. > Replicant may be technically much more mature and has Fdroid with many apps, but we are still depending on API definitions set by Google. I fully agree in every aspect!!! As long as you keep Finxi theme alive... ;-) > If you (and others) give more help, documentation and internet pages *can* be improved. If someone takes care of it. My idea some years ago was to create my completely own pages in the internet about the GTA04, which advertise it so that it's really attractive and technically informative. But I never started this project, because more and more I came to the conclusion, that all the people who blame your pages to be "crap", in fact have a completely different or at least much deeper aversion than the look of your internet pages. Meanwhile you can express the situation very clear and easy by just quoting some latest economic values: In Germany every year 24 million smartphones are being sold. The population of Germany is about 80 million people, resulting in the following statistics: - More than 60% own their smartphone less than one year. - Less than 20% own their smartphone more than two years. - Spending money for smartphones and accessories meanwhile will given much more priority than spending money for everything else, including clothes, food, etc. Only spending money for voyages will be seen as similar relevant. You can see the results every day in the pedestrian areas and busses of our cities: People in uncharitable and cheap clothes like jogging pants staying, sitting or walking around without notifying anything else except the displays of their phones and without doing anything else than typing something on them. Meanwhile my opinion to all that is: This is not anymore just a hype. This already is psychopathic! You'll need an army of doctors in order to therapy that heavy addiction! Or alternatively you can just consider all the extremely seldom and hard to get materials that are inside these phones. Materials, where you need to dig over thousands of tons of rocks in order to get some milligrammes of them. Of course by using machines driven by Diesel, not by solar power. And where you need millions of cubic metres of water in order to wash these some few milligrammes out of the rubble. Not to mention all the other highly poisonous and aggressive chemicals. Not to meantion that nearly all of the countries where these materials come from are contries which are affected by war. Then just think about the possibility that mother earth might say "Enough is enough!" and nature modifies the climate some more, so that its voice can finally be heared by all people. In worst case these people are such absorbed in their smartphones, that they first need to die before they notice that facebook (German: "Fratzebuch") is nothing else than a giant gully for energy of live. > Please contribute to that work! You are really welcome. > As soon as you have more time to spend on it. We did wait 5 years so there is no need to hurry. I'm still in love with QtMoko's Finxi theme. And I'm still hoping that Neo900 will be available some day, so that my 450 EUR will not be lost. But perhaps you now got a little impression that my priorieties currently are a little bit different... Nevertheless will reserve some time for you, as soon as you reworked the makesd script. ;-) > BR and sorry again for the trouble. If we meet some time in person, I'll spend you a beer :) Is it naughty to tell you that I don't like beer? I'm not from Bavaria, I'm from Rheingau. So I prefer wine and especially cocktails. Do Bavarians know what a Pina Colada is... ;-) Best regar
[Gta04-owner] Helldriving with basic and essential scripts
Hello Nikolaus and Andreas, > sudo does not pass the variables on (security reasons, you could do funny things). > So makesd did not know about your DEV=/dev/sdg indeed I aghastly realized that this was the mistake I made. Admittedly a stupid oversight. But easily to understand: sudo is a command that if you use it at all, you'll ever use it in the most restrictively way possible! So of course especially if you're in a hurry or stupid (or both) you don't think about sudo'ing a whole command line but only a single command! > makesd should simply have no default for DEV and not do anything if not set. To tell it in clear words: NEVER NEVER NEVER a script should access any path that the user never had provided by himself except "." !!! It's in no way acceptable that a script - especially if it's such basic and essential - contains hardcoded paths that are valid on no other machine than the one of the developer!!! Especially not for doing actions like deleting and/or formatting!!! It was an incredible luck that my now erased harddisc /dev/sdc mostly had been backuped. But still it contained some data that are lost now! By a hair it could have affected another external harddisc of mine that I need for my daily work. It would have been an horrific catastrophe if this would have been affected!!! I currently don't have time left over to we wasted for doing huge recovery cycles!!! > do not automatically use /dev/sdc if no device is specified > instead print usage and an error message. I would even accept if in such a case the script would use ".", resulting in writing the rootfs into the local directory from where the script had been called, because this would just follow the principle GIGO: Garbage in - garbage out! But why does it want to have such an essential parameter like the path to be erased and formatted as environment variable at all??? Why not pass it as commandline parameter? You can easily also pass an environment variable by that way! > Well, it has to have some default because if you make 20 sd cards > per day, every keystroke counts. And in 19 times you type > /dev/sdg correctly and then you mistype /dev/sdh + Enter. > > So it needs some default you do not have to think about too much. Ok, I understand. But then I strongly suggest a parameter like "--hell" for activating such hardcoded values that are valid on your machine only!!! > There is already a secondary default which reads the file ~/.makesd.conf > to set such a default. And the /dev/sdc is only used if that file > does not exist or is empty. > > I have already updated the documentation page because that > feature is available for a while. Sorry Nikolaus, but for using a command that had been suggested per mail as a quick hack, I don't expect to be expected to read a documentation first. I already hesitated several days before I decided to overcome my doubts and just try it, although already at the first glance I could see that the line was suspicious. Then I did one small step after the other in order to avoid exactly such disasters! > Well, it is impossible to perfectly prevent erasing the wrong device, because only the user can know what the SD card reader with an SD really is. Exactly because of that a script never should dare to fool you!!! > I usually use an SD card reader of some SBC where I did ssh root access to so I never thought > about needing sudo. Ok, that explains many things. Especially it confirms that my decision was right to first get a night of sleep before I tell you how exorbitant furious I am currently be. Seems to need the whole weekend in order to come down again! > Maybe we should add a check that you really have write access to the specified device. As a Linux user you don't expect such actually self-evident things anymore, especially not on the raw developer's side. But meanwhile you can expect Linux to reliably act in the already mentioned way GIGO: Stupid users will get stupid results. But normally no disasters anymore like in early days. > There is at least one protection: you can't overwrite /dev/sda. Under Linux indeed this can already be seen as luxury. Every other user would expect this as minimum safety. > So it is equally risky as calling fdisk directly. The risk here is a completely other: From experience the parameters of fdisk are highly dependent on the Linux version that you're using. So my first question was: Will the script work properly on my system? But once again: Never you would expect to get devices accessed that you never specified!!! >> Why "fsck.ext2"? My QtMoko v55 and v57 SD cards had already been formatted with "fsck.ext4". So even "fsck.ext3" would have been outdated. > > No idea. The script only calls fsck.ext3. Seems to be a bug in util-linux 2.27.1 when printing the error message. A suggestion: Please provide a parameter like -3 or -4. So that users are able to choose ext3 or ext4 by themselfes. I for example pr
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Antwort: Re: QtMoko reloaded
Hello Nikolaus, correction: I had an external hard disc "/dev/sdc" and the rootfs had been written to there instead to "/dev/sdg"!!! SD card is still empty and the data of the external hard disc is lost!!! Best regards Sven Von:Sven Dyroff An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 01.03.2018 17:32 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: QtMoko reloaded Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hello Nikolaus, > Hm. Do you have a non-whitespace white space? Happens sometimes when copying UTF charactersto a terminal. Ok, after typing the command by hand I got the error that I have no rights to do that. So modified the command once again: DEV=/dev/sdg sudo ./makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz Now it worked and created the SD card. But please note that in the end I got: -%<-- rmdir: konnte '/media/P2' nicht entfernen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden rmdir: konnte '/media/P3' nicht entfernen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden rmdir: konnte '/media/P4' nicht entfernen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 rootfs: 26693/7331840 Dateien (7.1% nicht zusammenhängend), 650288/29305190 Blöcke fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 fsck.ext2: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden beim Versuch, /dev/sdc2 zu öffnen Ist das Gerät möglicherweise nicht vorhanden? fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 fsck.ext2: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden beim Versuch, /dev/sdc3 zu öffnen Ist das Gerät möglicherweise nicht vorhanden? fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 fsck.ext2: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden beim Versuch, /dev/sdc4 zu öffnen Ist das Gerät möglicherweise nicht vorhanden? ->%-- Accessing "/dev/sdc" is completely wrong and luckily I had no "/dev/sdc" that could be erased! The same is true for "/media/P"! Furthermore: Why "fsck.ext2"? My QtMoko v55 and v57 SD cards had already been formatted with "fsck.ext4". So even "fsck.ext3" would have been outdated. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: QtMoko reloaded
Hello Nikolaus, > Hm. Do you have a non-whitespace white space? Happens sometimes when copying UTF charactersto a terminal. Ok, after typing the command by hand I got the error that I have no rights to do that. So modified the command once again: DEV=/dev/sdg sudo ./makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz Now it worked and created the SD card. But please note that in the end I got: -%<-- rmdir: konnte '/media/P2' nicht entfernen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden rmdir: konnte '/media/P3' nicht entfernen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden rmdir: konnte '/media/P4' nicht entfernen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 rootfs: 26693/7331840 Dateien (7.1% nicht zusammenhängend), 650288/29305190 Blöcke fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 fsck.ext2: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden beim Versuch, /dev/sdc2 zu öffnen Ist das Gerät möglicherweise nicht vorhanden? fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 fsck.ext2: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden beim Versuch, /dev/sdc3 zu öffnen Ist das Gerät möglicherweise nicht vorhanden? fsck von util-linux 2.27.1 fsck.ext2: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden beim Versuch, /dev/sdc4 zu öffnen Ist das Gerät möglicherweise nicht vorhanden? ->%-- Accessing "/dev/sdc" is completely wrong and luckily I had no "/dev/sdc" that could be erased! The same is true for "/media/P"! Furthermore: Why "fsck.ext2"? My QtMoko v55 and v57 SD cards had already been formatted with "fsck.ext4". So even "fsck.ext3" would have been outdated. Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] QtMoko reloaded
Hello Nikolaus, > So I'd suggest that you just make a fresh qtmoko+kernel SD card with makesd, but without u-boot: > > DEV=/dev/sdb makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz > > This does not tamper with the boot-loader but adds the latest kernel for qtmoko2. > > This should not take too much time to give it a try. if there's something that you'll learn very soon in IT, then the fact that everything will take much more longer than expected... For me your one simple makesd-line resulted in the following: 1.) Assumed that my some years old makesd is completely outdated. So searched for a current one and found: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-makesd/ Thus did the folowing actions: wget -O makesd " http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-makesd.git;a=blob_plain;hb=HEAD;f=makesd " chmod a+x makesd ./makesd -u Success! Ok, that was easy. 2.) Clean the SD card with the v55 clone completely: sudo dd of=/dev/sdg if=/dev/zero bs=1M conv=fsync After that all the partitions have been gone. Again easy success. 3.) Execute your suggestion: DEV=/dev/sdg makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz Result: "Command makesd not found". Ok, that's understandable. So modify your suggestion to: DEV=/dev/sdg ./makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz Result: unknown option: -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz useage:... ... root file system (OS): -r ... -r qtmoko ... macros for single partition cards: ... qtmoko = -f ext4 -r qtmoko -d all -k latest (does not need config) ... Please advice ...;-) Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Hello Andreas, thank you for your offer. But I think the most easy way would be to boot the complete system (including current bootloader) from SD card with just having switched off the auto-flash option for the bootloader. As far as I remember this auto-flash option is coded somewhere in the additional scripts around the bootloader. So I don't want to bother you with my extremely short memory. One of the reasons why studied computer science is that it allows me to outsource my memory into the machine. So everything has been archived well by me. I just need the time to reload that swap space into my memory again by combing through that stuff. But it's a question of time... Best regards Sven Von:Andreas Kemnade An: gta04-owner@goldelico.com Datum: 27.02.2018 08:30 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi, > Regarding re-installation of older boot-loaders: > * they are all archived here: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-u-boot/GTA04/ > * where I can't help is to find out which one you have currently installed > * and if there were any tweaks on your setup > > Finally, migration may need to reset the u-boot environment variables, although we have tried > to make it as independent as possible. But going back o an older boot loader hasn't been > tested much. Maybe I can provide a script for you to get a backup of an older bootloader. > > So I'd suggest that you just make a fresh qtmoko+kernel SD card with makesd, but without u-boot: > > DEV=/dev/sdb makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz < http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz > > > This does not tamper with the boot-loader but adds the latest kernel for qtmoko2. > Well, if you want to try out you can even start a new bootloader over usb, so your old one is not tampered with, neither your uboot environment is. So there should be a possibility to boot the new qtmoko. I can give you detailed descriptions for doing that if you want Regards, Andreas ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner C.DTF Description: Binary data ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Hello Nikolaus, > Well, we also don't have too much spare time to hand it on a silver platter :) Please don't misunderstand me. I never expected a silver platter. I just tried a first naive test with minimal effort. I understand very well that I failed and thus need to reconsider much stuff, that has been well archived by me, but simply never used again for several years, now. I'm also willing to think about kernel versions by myself. All the according previous mails from you have been archived by me. Now it seems to be the time that I begin to read them again, at least the last ones. But I need to beg you to understand that for the moment having a well working GTA04 is more important for me than trying out new things. Due to the lack of time I need to avoid everything that could brick the well running v55 system. So I need to go one small step after the other. First step would be to update the bootloader. Will do that not before I'm sure to know again how to reflash the old one in case that the new one will cause problems with v55. What means that unfortunately it might take weeks or months until I can tell you some test results... Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 26.02.2018 18:48 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true:) Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hello Sven, Am 26.02.2018 um 17:54 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, > Well, this also deletes the kernel modules. And an uImage in /boot. > This means that boot.scr did not find a bootable kernel. I conclude that this means that your tar-image comes without (default) kernel. Yes. Because it can be mixed with different kernels. That mixing is done by makesd. Ok, I see, there's more time needed than expected... Well, we also don't have too much spare time to hand it on a silver platter :) At the moment this It is more alpha than beta... But before I do this work I have a question: In the past conversation it had been mentioned that currently no themes are available. But if I understood correctly, you "only" reworked the build sequence. So how could this be possible? I can remember that after changing the build sequence to use hardflow toolchain, Finxi theme was disfunctional for some time and required Radek to do some magic in order to get it running again in a later release. But never the theme was lost completely. Well, the issue was that the theme .deb files were built but they were lost on the multi-stage journey from the SBC (where they were compiled) to the download server... They ended up in the wrong directory and did not become visible/accessible. I have not yet checked if they work, but "apt-get install qtmoko-theme-finximod" does succeed (you may need "apt-get update" first). I'm asking because without Finxi theme I rather will keep going on with the pretty and stable v55 for now. I would enjoy to support you again with some testing and I'm also willing to risc some regressions, as long as a) I can be sure that after replacing the old v55 SD card my system behaves like usual again and b) I can do the testing with Finxi theme... ;-) That is difficult to answer since I have no v55 system running and have not yet tried the Finxi theme. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:26.02.2018 16:40 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 26.02.2018 um 14:36 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, meanwhile I gave it a trial, but unfortunately it doesn't boot. Since I haven't created a new SD card for my GTA04A4 anymore since several years, also haven't done any configuration for it in this time, thus forgot many details and also didn't want to spend too much time, but wanted to avoid everything that could brick my well working system, I thought I could be very clever by just going the following simple way: 1.) I created a 1:1 clone of the working SD card which I had inside the phone. It showed to be QtMoko v55. In my cupboard I found an SD card with QtMoko v57 which was also working, but I even don't know anymore why I kept v55 in my phone and not the v57. So I decided to use the v55 for cloning. 2.) I verified that the clone was really functional. Indeed it came up with QtMoko v55 perfectly working. 3.) I erased the old rootfs by executing "sudo mkfs.ext4 -L rootfs /dev/sde2". Well, this also deletes the kernel modules. And an uImage in /boot. Then mounted the new and empty fs and untared your new QtMoko rootfs to there. After putting th
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Hello Nikolaus, > Well, this also deletes the kernel modules. And an uImage in /boot. > This means that boot.scr did not find a bootable kernel. I conclude that this means that your tar-image comes without (default) kernel. Ok, I see, there's more time needed than expected... But before I do this work I have a question: In the past conversation it had been mentioned that currently no themes are available. But if I understood correctly, you "only" reworked the build sequence. So how could this be possible? I can remember that after changing the build sequence to use hardflow toolchain, Finxi theme was disfunctional for some time and required Radek to do some magic in order to get it running again in a later release. But never the theme was lost completely. I'm asking because without Finxi theme I rather will keep going on with the pretty and stable v55 for now. I would enjoy to support you again with some testing and I'm also willing to risc some regressions, as long as a) I can be sure that after replacing the old v55 SD card my system behaves like usual again and b) I can do the testing with Finxi theme... ;-) Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 26.02.2018 16:40 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 26.02.2018 um 14:36 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, meanwhile I gave it a trial, but unfortunately it doesn't boot. Since I haven't created a new SD card for my GTA04A4 anymore since several years, also haven't done any configuration for it in this time, thus forgot many details and also didn't want to spend too much time, but wanted to avoid everything that could brick my well working system, I thought I could be very clever by just going the following simple way: 1.) I created a 1:1 clone of the working SD card which I had inside the phone. It showed to be QtMoko v55. In my cupboard I found an SD card with QtMoko v57 which was also working, but I even don't know anymore why I kept v55 in my phone and not the v57. So I decided to use the v55 for cloning. 2.) I verified that the clone was really functional. Indeed it came up with QtMoko v55 perfectly working. 3.) I erased the old rootfs by executing "sudo mkfs.ext4 -L rootfs /dev/sde2". Well, this also deletes the kernel modules. And an uImage in /boot. Then mounted the new and empty fs and untared your new QtMoko rootfs to there. After putting the SD card into the phone and powering it on I get the conversant penguin of your bootloader. But then I only get a completely white screen together with power LED blinking slowly red-green-yellow-black and bootbutton LED blinking fast the same sequence red-green-yellow-black. This means that boot.scr did not find a bootable kernel. In the past conversation it had been mentioned that the new image will not boot from SD card. How can this be fixed? Pressing the boot button doesn't show any effect in my case. Furthermore: Might it be that it's mandatory to use the current bootloader? (Which would mean that I need to spend much more time in order to get familiar again with all the details that might follow as consequence.) Well, a current boot loader might be required and can be generally recommended. Please note that you might not be able to boot the NAND system any more, depending on how old the original boot loader is. Step 1: upgrade boot loader * use latest makesd * DEV=/dev/sdb makesd gta04 debian -- (assuming you don't have a GTA04A5 which would need "gta04one") * boot with this SD card (with pressing the AUX button) * screen should turn red when flashing the boot loader Step 2: install qtmoko wheezy (the jessie variant has a significant bug we have not yet found the solution) * use makesd again * DEV=/dev/sdb makesd qtmoko -r http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/20180224-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz BR and good luck, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:22.02.2018 15:10 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true:) Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Am 22.02.2018 um 15:00 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, ok, got it! Once again thank you very much! But I need to beg you for some time. On the one hand I'm very excited to check the new verison after such a long time, on the other hand I already have been very busy at the moment before your announcement reached me. Now I need to see what will when be possible to be done... No problem... We did dream for such a long time that some days make no differenc
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Hello Nikolaus, meanwhile I gave it a trial, but unfortunately it doesn't boot. Since I haven't created a new SD card for my GTA04A4 anymore since several years, also haven't done any configuration for it in this time, thus forgot many details and also didn't want to spend too much time, but wanted to avoid everything that could brick my well working system, I thought I could be very clever by just going the following simple way: 1.) I created a 1:1 clone of the working SD card which I had inside the phone. It showed to be QtMoko v55. In my cupboard I found an SD card with QtMoko v57 which was also working, but I even don't know anymore why I kept v55 in my phone and not the v57. So I decided to use the v55 for cloning. 2.) I verified that the clone was really functional. Indeed it came up with QtMoko v55 perfectly working. 3.) I erased the old rootfs by executing "sudo mkfs.ext4 -L rootfs /dev/sde2". Then mounted the new and empty fs and untared your new QtMoko rootfs to there. After putting the SD card into the phone and powering it on I get the conversant penguin of your bootloader. But then I only get a completely white screen together with power LED blinking slowly red-green-yellow-black and bootbutton LED blinking fast the same sequence red-green-yellow-black. In the past conversation it had been mentioned that the new image will not boot from SD card. How can this be fixed? Pressing the boot button doesn't show any effect in my case. Furthermore: Might it be that it's mandatory to use the current bootloader? (Which would mean that I need to spend much more time in order to get familiar again with all the details that might follow as consequence.) Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 22.02.2018 15:10 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Am 22.02.2018 um 15:00 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, ok, got it! Once again thank you very much! But I need to beg you for some time. On the one hand I'm very excited to check the new verison after such a long time, on the other hand I already have been very busy at the moment before your announcement reached me. Now I need to see what will when be possible to be done... No problem... We did dream for such a long time that some days make no difference... BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com> Datum:22.02.2018 14:42 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 22.02.2018 um 14:36 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nicolaus, very good news! > Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D - look for *-qtmoko.tbz I can find: - 0180222-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-22 01:48 174M - latest-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-21 19:03 198M - 20180221-jessie-8.10-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-21 19:03 198M - 20180216-jessie-8.10-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-16 19:34 198M - 20180216-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-16 17:11 174M - 20180113-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-01-13 12:35 174M Which one is recommended? The latest-armhf-qtmoko.tbz which is the same as 20180221-jessie-8.10-armhf-qtmoko.tbz The wheezy variant doesn't support modern kernels well. You know: I like QtMoko because of its Finxi theme and no other! Beyond that I widely leave it up on you how to go best into the future...;-) So maybe you can help to make the Finxi theme work again... I am not sure if themes already work. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:Tinkerphones Community , List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Kopie:List for Openmoko community discussion < commun...@lists.openmoko.org> Datum:21.02.2018 20:53 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi, I am happy to announce that after years of abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in maintained mode. After several failed attempts, we now have a git tree and a build system where we can apply modifications and accept patches. And we need testers :) Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based (different git branches) and both run on the GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels. Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra, but there is nothing to see on the display yet. It simply remains black... Here are the key resources: Project Home:http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for reporting issues Git:http://git.g
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Hello Nikolaus, ok, got it! Once again thank you very much! But I need to beg you for some time. On the one hand I'm very excited to check the new verison after such a long time, on the other hand I already have been very busy at the moment before your announcement reached me. Now I need to see what will when be possible to be done... Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 22.02.2018 14:42 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 22.02.2018 um 14:36 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nicolaus, very good news! > Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D - look for *-qtmoko.tbz I can find: - 0180222-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-22 01:48 174M - latest-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-21 19:03 198M - 20180221-jessie-8.10-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-21 19:03 198M - 20180216-jessie-8.10-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-16 19:34 198M - 20180216-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-02-16 17:11 174M - 20180113-wheezy-7.11-armhf-qtmoko.tbz 2018-01-13 12:35 174M Which one is recommended? The latest-armhf-qtmoko.tbz which is the same as 20180221-jessie-8.10-armhf-qtmoko.tbz The wheezy variant doesn't support modern kernels well. You know: I like QtMoko because of its Finxi theme and no other! Beyond that I widely leave it up on you how to go best into the future...;-) So maybe you can help to make the Finxi theme work again... I am not sure if themes already work. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:Tinkerphones Community , List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Kopie:List for Openmoko community discussion < commun...@lists.openmoko.org> Datum:21.02.2018 20:53 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :) Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi, I am happy to announce that after years of abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in maintained mode. After several failed attempts, we now have a git tree and a build system where we can apply modifications and accept patches. And we need testers :) Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based (different git branches) and both run on the GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels. Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra, but there is nothing to see on the display yet. It simply remains black... Here are the key resources: Project Home:http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for reporting issues Git:http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D - look for *-qtmoko.tbz Install on µSD:DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie based system Letux-Debian:apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have installed a different Letux system Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2 running on a GTA04: Some things are not yet working and missing and some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at the beginning to be able to fix things. Of course our little team can't do all that alone. We need you and the broader community to help with coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate our effort: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product&product=9607 BR and thanks, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] What went wrong with Ubuntu's phone effort
Hello Nikolaus, > And especially in the topic of education every age has its own > view of what is good or not. There are ancient greek or egyptian texts > which talk about pupils who don't want to learn and are worse > than in past times and have no respect for the elderly wisdom... I disagree. See: https://www.aphorismen.de/zitat/19942 (Translation: "Teaching doesn't mean to fill a container, but to spark a fire." Aristophanes, approx. 450 - 385 B.C., Greek comedy poet") So this hasn't changed over the chiliads. But today young people will be pressed into a bullshit that has been named "learning modules". See: http://www.hochschuldidaktik.uni-freiburg.de/angebote/programm/modul-i https://bildungsserver.berlin-brandenburg.de/fileadmin/bbb/Lebenslanges_Lernen/Weiterbildungsportal/05_Das_Lernen_lernen.pdf You cannot image how happy I am that I'm old enough to not have to bear such idiocy. And facing this I completely understand why nowadays there's compulsory attendance at the highschools whereas "we" had the freedom to truancy boring courses. And to write the examination anyway without ever having attended the waste of time. It's also absolutely clear for me why nowadays children will *get* the diagnosis "attention deficit disorder syndrome" whereas "we" *forgave* the diagnosis "crap teacher syndrome"... Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] What went wrong with Ubuntu's phone effort
Hello Andreas, >> If the remaining 99.9% of mankind would understand what's going on, >> then reputation of these "opponents" would decrease significantly. > > Well, it is religion. People sometimes trust to navigation systems to > make them magically go over the water. People believe in that. Well, > there is an app for something so that must be ok and good. > If that would not be the case then nerds would be asked by usual > computer users questions like:"If I use this communication technology, > my friend has always to use a special device, is there any > alternative?" I don't think that it's due to religion. I think it's digital dementia. We have learned to navigate with this: https://www.amazon.de/Shell-Atlas-2016-2017-Deutschland/dp/3826460448 How many people are still able to handle this, nowadays? I was told that meanwhile young people have been sighted while trying to zoom the schedules of train arrivals / departures in railway stations by two fingers... :-o > Hmm, lets cite Immanual Kant. I really like Immanuel Kant very much. But I think in this topic he cannot help. > IMHO that is the main point of childhood and a bit also of adults. > Even children do not get that tought so often. Sometimes parents > are not happy anymore if their children just play around in > kindergarten. There has always to be some kind of organized learning. > Hmm, is that really so much better than having children to work? Indeed this is an important question. But it has already been answered 47 years ago. See here: http://fragmente-wiesbaden.de/resources/Illich_Erziehung.pdf Best regards Sven Von:Andreas Kemnade An: gta04-owner@goldelico.com Datum: 28.06.2017 19:52 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] What went wrong with Ubuntu's phone effort Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi, On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:59:59 +0200 Sven Dyroff wrote: > Hello Nicolaus, > > > So I'd summarize as: mankind is happy with the status quo of what is > offered by the big players, > > making it too tough for individuals to change or get appreciation. > > > > But can this be the answer for the next 100 years? > > The problem is to provide insight in the key axiom of this system: "If you > think that everything is alright, then you don't know what's going on!" > > > > The key point seems to be that the commercial and (partially) closed > "opponents" don't have a bad reputation. > > If the remaining 99.9% of mankind would understand what's going on, then > reputation of these "opponents" would decrease significantly. > Well, it is religion. People sometimes trust to navigation systems to make them magically go over the water. People believe in that. Well, there is an app for something so that must be ok and good. If that would not be the case then nerds would be asked by usual computer users questions like:"If I use this communication technology, my friend has always to use a special device, is there any alternative?" Hmm, lets cite Immanual Kant. "Man’s release from his self-incurred tutelage” (I do not found a good translation that quickly) „Aufklärung ist der Ausgang des Menschen aus seiner selbst verschuldeten Unmündigkeit. Unmündigkeit ist das Unvermögen, sich seines Verstandes ohne Anleitung eines anderen zu bedienen. Selbst verschuldet ist diese Unmündigkeit, wenn die Ursache derselben nicht am Mangel des Verstandes, sondern der Entschließung und des Muthes liegt, sich seiner ohne Leitung eines anderen zu bedienen. Sapere aude [wage es verständig zu sein]! Habe Muth, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen! ist also der Wahlspruch der Aufklärung.“ > > > Looks like a point of saturation with IT. > > In my view it's already an overkill with IT. See: > > > https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdG757YdLgtQCcBHtVpj_ihghjsfqAHEs_WCRbaXarVuX3WJ5oRA > I have seen a continuation with the man standing up in several steps again and using a wearable with hmd. > https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGJEeDiw6GBzkynZpIWm5n2oOSGewxAXFDAZPR5ANMpWXAJBQSnw > > Hmm, in the year 2525... > > Have we un-learned to play around and learn just for fun? > IMHO that is the main point of childhood and a bit also of adults. Even children do not get that tought so often. Sometimes parents are not happy anymore if their children just play around in kindergarten. There has always to be some kind of organized learning. Hmm, is that really so much better than having children to work? Regards Andreas ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner C.DTF Description: Binary data ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] What went wrong with Ubuntu's phone effort
Hello Nicolaus, > So I'd summarize as: mankind is happy with the status quo of what is offered by the big players, > making it too tough for individuals to change or get appreciation. > > But can this be the answer for the next 100 years? The problem is to provide insight in the key axiom of this system: "If you think that everything is alright, then you don't know what's going on!" > The key point seems to be that the commercial and (partially) closed "opponents" don't have a bad reputation. If the remaining 99.9% of mankind would understand what's going on, then reputation of these "opponents" would decrease significantly. > Looks like a point of saturation with IT. In my view it's already an overkill with IT. See: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdG757YdLgtQCcBHtVpj_ihghjsfqAHEs_WCRbaXarVuX3WJ5oRA https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGJEeDiw6GBzkynZpIWm5n2oOSGewxAXFDAZPR5ANMpWXAJBQSnw > Have we un-learned to play around and learn just for fun? Please see my previous comment and draw your own consequences... Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: GTA04A5 production status
Hello Nikolaus, > well, I can only answer very biased That's absolutely clear. Unfortunately we're all still living within the real existing capitalism. > NEO900: ... it will be a big challenge to be faster than 6 months and a challenge to ship in 12. Ok, that would at least lead me to still stand by and don't having the want to recall money from them. > Yes, definitively (did you expect me to say something different :) Hmmm :-D ;-) > Yes. Josua is developing on a GTA04A4 and most differences should be covered by different kernel drivers / device tree files and only 1-2 by user space hacks. I highly appreciate your honesty. Answers like that are by far not self-evident for a salesman living within capitalism. > Currently we have 50 mA in suspend and 25 mA are known to come from some kernel bug not powering down the MUSB subsystem. > The lower power state could bring another 10 mA so I think we *could* come to 15 mA. Hmmm... 695 EUR are much money for an interesting but intermediate phone. I think I will take my decision at some incalculable instant of time spontaneously. You'll then see the result in your shop. ;-)) Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 10.06.2016 12:56 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: GTA04A5 production status Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi, > Am 10.06.2016 um 12:46 schrieb Sven Dyroff : > > Hello Nikolaus, > > I did good old and _reliable_ bank transfer to Neo900 UG _after_ all the trouble with separating them from GD. > > I don't want to recall money as long as I can down-to-earth expect to get a NEO900 within a reasonable time, because I pay much respect to all of you guys. well, I can only answer very biased :) And based on public information (maemo, IRC). > > My considerations and questions are: > - How long will it still take to get a NEO900? I don't know an estimate but when looking at the status I would say: it will be a big challenge to be faster than 6 months and a challenge to ship in 12. > - Does it make sense to get a GTA04A5 in the meantime? Yes, definitively (did you expect me to say something different :) > - Will the projects that you plan - especially QtMoko2 - still work (reasonably) on my GTA04A4? Yes. Josua is developing on a GTA04A4 and most differences should be covered by different kernel drivers / device tree files and only 1-2 by user space hacks. > - How much is the effect of the deeper power down states of the GTA04A5? Currently we have 50 mA in suspend and 25 mA are known to come from some kernel bug not powering down the MUSB subsystem. The lower power state could bring another 10 mA so I think we *could* come to 15 mA. > - ... > - ... > > Best regards >Sven BR, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: GTA04A5 production status
Hello Nikolaus, I did good old and _reliable_ bank transfer to Neo900 UG _after_ all the trouble with separating them from GD. I don't want to recall money as long as I can down-to-earth expect to get a NEO900 within a reasonable time, because I pay much respect to all of you guys. My considerations and questions are: - How long will it still take to get a NEO900? - Does it make sense to get a GTA04A5 in the meantime? - Will the projects that you plan - especially QtMoko2 - still work (reasonably) on my GTA04A4? - How much is the effect of the deeper power down states of the GTA04A5? - ... - ... Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners Datum: 10.06.2016 12:25 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: GTA04A5 production status Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi Sven, Am 10.06.2016 um 11:56 schrieb Sven Dyroff : Hello Nikolaus, congratulations! Up to now I didn't order, because I still have an order running for NEO900 and actually intended to move to it. I see. But when I now check neo900.org again, I see that there hasn't been any activity anymore since April. Are my 450 EUR that I placed for NEO900 - and absolutely intentionally didn't use Paypal for that - lost, so that I now should ruefully return to you? Well, I can't say much on this since i am no longer directly involved in the Neo900 project. I do only irregularily follow neo900.org (which is indeed not updated often), the maemo forums and IRC. Therefore I do only know that the Neo900 core team has found someone to work on the prototype PCB layout. Did you pay directly to Neo900 UG since I can't find you on the original Neo900 orders in my shop? Then you should negotiate with them about a (partial?) refund first. BR, Nikolaus Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An:List for communicating with real GTA04 owners < gta04-owner@goldelico.com>, OpenPhoenux Community < commun...@openphoenux.org> Datum:10.06.2016 11:35 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 production status Gesendet von:"Gta04-owner" Hi all, good news! I have received the final quotation and we are ready to place the final order at the production company (http://www.global-components.de) on Monday. All production data (gerber files, material list etc.) is available so it only depends on their production schedule. We will produce 20 units in a first step (to verify that production and A5 hardware and layout changes work) and then another run (hoping that it does not need anything to be redone). Another good news is that we can offer a new camera module that appears to be compatible. Will be made available soon in our shop. Finally, our workshop last weekend was successful and is a basis that we will see new software (QtMoko2) soon. So please if you consider to get a GTA04A5 / Letux 2804 (or have preordered but not yet paid fully), please do an order now: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Complete http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Just to remind what the GTA04 / Letux 2804 is: it is a smartphone produced by the community for the community that is as open as currently feasible to allow you to tinker around with software or do hardware extensions. New features of GTA04A5: * 1GHz DM3730 * 1GB RAM * 512 MB OneNAND * new WiFi chip (2.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz) with Bluetooth 4.1 * some sensors modernized (BMC150, BMG160, BMP280) * new camera module * should allow for even deeper power states in suspend than before * USB-OTG and GPS antenna plugs soldered differently so that it is more difficult to break them off * other hardware fixes and improvements Thank you, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
[Gta04-owner] Antwort: GTA04A5 production status
Hello Nikolaus, congratulations! Up to now I didn't order, because I still have an order running for NEO900 and actually intended to move to it. But when I now check neo900.org again, I see that there hasn't been any activity anymore since April. Are my 450 EUR that I placed for NEO900 - and absolutely intentionally didn't use Paypal for that - lost, so that I now should ruefully return to you? Best regards Sven Von:"H. Nikolaus Schaller" An: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners , OpenPhoenux Community Datum: 10.06.2016 11:35 Betreff:[Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 production status Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" Hi all, good news! I have received the final quotation and we are ready to place the final order at the production company (http://www.global-components.de) on Monday. All production data (gerber files, material list etc.) is available so it only depends on their production schedule. We will produce 20 units in a first step (to verify that production and A5 hardware and layout changes work) and then another run (hoping that it does not need anything to be redone). Another good news is that we can offer a new camera module that appears to be compatible. Will be made available soon in our shop. Finally, our workshop last weekend was successful and is a basis that we will see new software (QtMoko2) soon. So please if you consider to get a GTA04A5 / Letux 2804 (or have preordered but not yet paid fully), please do an order now: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Complete http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Just to remind what the GTA04 / Letux 2804 is: it is a smartphone produced by the community for the community that is as open as currently feasible to allow you to tinker around with software or do hardware extensions. New features of GTA04A5: * 1GHz DM3730 * 1GB RAM * 512 MB OneNAND * new WiFi chip (2.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz) with Bluetooth 4.1 * some sensors modernized (BMC150, BMG160, BMP280) * new camera module * should allow for even deeper power states in suspend than before * USB-OTG and GPS antenna plugs soldered differently so that it is more difficult to break them off * other hardware fixes and improvements Thank you, Nikolaus ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Using touchscreen as a touchpad?
Or something like that: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01CXNC5X6?psc=1 You could be innovative and use it rotated by 90°... :-D Sven Von:Neil Jerram An: gta04-owner@goldelico.com Datum: 21.04.2016 15:33 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Using touchscreen as a touchpad? Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" On 21/04/16 14:10, Sven Dyroff wrote: > Still seems to be very chunky. What about following the link below > that offer? > > https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CJBITVU?psc=1 Yes, perhaps, if a 'presenter' device has controls that can be mapped to pointer movement, button click and scroll events. Certainly it looks like 'presenter' devices are pleasingly smaller than trackballs, and that there are a few bluetooth models available. Neil ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Using touchscreen as a touchpad?
Still seems to be very chunky. What about following the link below that offer? https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CJBITVU?psc=1 Von:Neil Jerram An: gta04-owner@goldelico.com Datum: 21.04.2016 15:05 Betreff:Re: [Gta04-owner] Using touchscreen as a touchpad? Gesendet von: "Gta04-owner" On 21/04/16 13:47, Sven Dyroff wrote: > Hello Neil, > > > Also has anyone tried using an external input device instead of the > > touchscreen? I think it would need to be something that is easy to > > carry around with the phone, doesn't need a surface to sit on, is USB- > > or bluetooth-connected, and can generate pointer and scroll events. > > You mean something like a little wireless trackball like that: > > http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/logitech-m570-wireless-trackball-910-002090-a570502.html > > > ? Yes, but ideally smaller - so perhaps this is better: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eximtrade-Wireless-Portable-Handheld-Trackball/dp/B016GELH64/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1461243058&sr=1-3&keywords=bluetooth+trackball Also ideally bluetooth instead of needing a little USB wireless adapter - since I can't plug that adapter into the GTA04. > > > Otherwise someone should invent something like touch-sensitive > energy-harvesting bluetooth-plasticine... ;-) Yes, they definitely should! > > > Best regards >Sven Neil ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
Re: [Gta04-owner] Using touchscreen as a touchpad?
Hello Neil, > Also has anyone tried using an external input device instead of the > touchscreen? I think it would need to be something that is easy to > carry around with the phone, doesn't need a surface to sit on, is USB- > or bluetooth-connected, and can generate pointer and scroll events. You mean something like a little wireless trackball like that: http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/logitech-m570-wireless-trackball-910-002090-a570502.html ? Otherwise someone should invent something like touch-sensitive energy-harvesting bluetooth-plasticine...;-) Best regards Sven ___ Gta04-owner mailing list Gta04-owner@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-owner
