Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
Quickest and easiest would be a small lace-edged doily with two streamers, if you achieve big hair, or a little ribbon bow at the back if not. If you have time you can run a casing round the edge of the fabric circle and gather it so it's a bit more head-shaped rather than completely flat. Attach with bobby pins through the lace so they don't show. JEan Elizabeth Walpole wrote: Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. So my question is does anybody know of instructions on the web for making an 18th century cap that might work with 18th century big hair but also work OK with more flat hair if my attempts at big hair fail. thanks Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
Add a kerchief over the shoulders and pin to the front; it's amazing how much that will aid the picture. LynnD On 10/12/07, Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. So my question is does anybody know of instructions on the web for making an 18th century cap that might work with 18th century big hair but also work OK with more flat hair if my attempts at big hair fail. thanks Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
Lynn Downward wrote: Add a kerchief over the shoulders and pin to the front; it's amazing how much that will aid the picture. LynnD Yes, a lace or embroidery trimmed fichu will do a lot. Or a ruffle at the neckline in lace. Also a fan and a small purse would be good accessories. I did a quick look through some of my books and don't see much on headwear for parties, indoors, at that time. It looks like arranged hair with some kind of lacy cap and or flowers and bows was it. Brimmed hats seem to be an outdoor thing. Hope we can see pictures when you're done! Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Hello, I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters, each for one specific garment (like gardecorp, tunic, surcotte...). It is supposed to talk about nobility. Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) Many thanks, Zuzana - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, the first thing I'd do, since it's a friend's book, is ask him what his source is. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
Yes, a fichu is a real sign of the 18th century. Also a ribbon and/or lace choker with the bow tied at the back. As for a cap, the not accurate but often used circle of batiste or embroidered net or something, gathered 2 or 3 in from the edge is a choice. The real cut of this kind of cap is a D shape, with the curved part gathered to a straight band anywhere from 1 to 3 wide [can be tapered at the ends]. The straight part of the D has a narrow casing at the hem with a hole at its center for the ends of narrow tapes [that ribbon for ribbon embroidery works well] to come through so you can pull it and draw it up as much as you need and tie the tapes in a little bow at CB. One can just run elastic thru the straight part and put a little fake bow in the center... The edge of the band [that the curved part is gathered to] can have a frill of lace or batiste added to it. If you make this frill a little wider at the sides than at the front it looks very period. If you do a quickie and just do the gathered circle version, you might want to make it an oval keeping the casing for the gathers a circlethus making the outer ruffle a little wider at the sides. This can be perched on top of a mountain of hair, or pinned slightly it the back for the lower hair dos. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
There are images out there aplenty of women's hiked skirts showing chausses-- and they tend to be knee-high. The Egerton Genesis has drawings of Dinah being raped in the market and her leg is exposed-- definitely knee-high. The various Tacuinum (Tacuinae?) also have women showing a bit of leg here and there, and again, it seems knee-high chausses were the norm. Astrida ** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (603) 862-2191 ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:25 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? My understanding is that chausses were worn equally by men and women. I don't know if they just wore knee-high hose or full-leg chausses, though. If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. A simple belt would do here. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 420
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : I'm making a 1770's colonial rural town crier. - You don't say how authentic you wnat to ooutfit to be. Assuming you want some, but not complete, authenticity, here are some suggestions off the top of my head. (Read between the lines) -- The waistcoat will be unbleached linen that has a pale bone/ taupe look and that typical linen weave. I think I'll line it in some medium brown cotton I have. --- If it is hot I would strongly recommend lining the waistcoat and coat in linen, not cotton---MUCH cooler and wicks moisture away from the body better. (coming from a re-enactor in Virginia, where we know about hot weather) If you are interested in authenticity, you might try an lightweight natural-color linen. I think you would be happier making the coat lined rather than unlined, as you suggested. It will be receiving a lot of wear, presumably, and will last longer if it is lined. In hot weather, it will soon take on the slightly rumpled linen look you are seeking. --- And maybe some gaiters. I like the look of all those buttons up the outside calf. But I do also have riding boots... but I'd have to put a cuff on them and I don't know if he wants to fool with boots. Of course all the buttons on the gaiters! Talk about fooling with something. Riding boots would not only be correct for most 18th century men, but have you ever spent a day in riding boots? Tired, hot, unhappy feet will result. If I were a town crier spending my day on the streets, I would much prefer shoes. If you do not think that plain breeches and stockings are not sufficient, maybe you could consider half-gaiters or spatter-dashes, which do not cover the whole lower leg--cooler, simpler and more comfortable. Which brings me to buttons. Gaiters, breeches, coat, waistcoat I need a million of them. Anyone have a fave source? I like the idea of bone or horn on the breeches and waistcoat and some metal on the coat and gaiters. --- Here are some sources of more authentic buttons: http://www.hushcobuttons.com/Natural-horn-bone-leather.htm http://www.wmboothdraper.com/ http://www.gggodwin.com/page21.htm http://jas-townsend.com/index.php?cPath=18 How about a leather tricorn? Too Pirates of the Caribbean? -- WAAAY to POTC, to my mind. A plain wool felt cocked hat (tricorn) would be more authentic and more comfortable in hot conditions. The only other thing I think he needs is a satchel. That could fulfill my leather accessory need! Does any reenactor vendor make a military leather satchel? It doesn't look like a difficult thing to make though. Or I wonder in a tack shop would have something like saddle bags that might work. Hm -- If you are interested in authenticity, I believe a canvvas haversack would be more appropriate. Hope these suggestions help. Jane Pease ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Looking for h-costumers in NOLA
If you want SCA (medieval anad renaissance) re-enactors, check out http://kingdomofgleannabhann.org/ and look under local groups. Janet ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
You said it was a ball, right? and you're going to style your long hair into something big? In that case, my suggestion is to add a couple of ostrich plumes. Pearls, silk flowers and the like could be used, too. There is one charicature of a lady with a ship in full sail worked into her do! But caps, not so much. Although a neck-handkerchief (fichu) would help the style of the gown, they were worn less in the evening than the daytime and less by younger women compared to older. So you may prefer to not bother with that, either, although the neck frill (gathered fabric or lace as a choker) would be nice. At pirate events, women tend to show off their charms quite a lot. As for polonaise on an open gown, that's what they did! You wear a petticoat underneath (what we would call a skirt). Ball-wear would have a petticoat of the same fabric as the gown. Sleeve ruffles or cuffs would also be the same fabric, with white fabric or lace for the engegentes. A fan is a nice accessory, but I would not bother with a bag. Ladies wore pockets under their petticoats, and they were accessed through slits at the side of the petticoat (leave the side seam unstitched for the top 8). That way your personal items stay with you and you have your hands free to dance. Much depends on the part of the 18thC you are going for, and many movies are all over the place with that. The ball may also have a wide era for what's expected on the participants. You can probably get away with wearing knee socks (don't wear horizntal stripes) which would be white or colors depending on the era and your sense of style. Wear black stockings shoes if you think the footwear is not right and you want it to disappear. Oh, and a thin coat of clown white for a base, rouged cheeks, and a few black patches to complete the look. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Do please try to go back and find out the source! In our group we always say we don't know what women wore under their dresses, because we haven't found any naughty pictures from the period. But I for one often wear braies just for warmth. You don't necessarily need braies to wear hose or chausses, you can tie them straight to a belt or wear knee-length ones, but it's more comfortable with braies. In terms of it being a scandal for women to wear drawers in later periods, it's amazing how short society's memory can be about that sort of thing. And I was told by Hungarian folk dancers in the 1990s that, for them, it was still just recently that only prostitutes wore knickers. Their dancing skirts were almost full circle, sunray pleated, but they wore a very short, straight underskirt to preserve their decency when the skirts flew up in spins and (they said) no knickers underneath. Jean Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Hello, I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters, each for one specific garment (like gardecorp, tunic, surcotte...). It is supposed to talk about nobility. Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) Many thanks, Zuzana - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. As far as I know, women wore hose under their skirts winter and summer. They were just above knee length and held up by being gartered just below the knee. Incidentally, men's chausses weren't generally tied to the braies either-- a belt or cord held up both the braies and the chausses. That doesn't necessarily mean that women didn't wear braies, though. -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Heather Rose Jones will probably chime in on this one if she sees it -- she gave a presentation on exactly this issue at Kalamazoo a couple of years ago (and has just submitted a paper version for a future _Medieval Clothing and Textiles_). Basically, what I think she winds up saying is that virtually all the pictorial examples of women wearing braies in medieval Western Europe turn out to fit into one of two themes: (1) mythical women such as the Amazon warrior queen Penthisilea; or (2) who wears the pants in the family arguments between women and men. Neither one of these seems intended as a realistic picture of what women actually wore. (Heather, did I summarize this correctly?) 0 Chris Laning | [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
- Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... I betcha the top image here was at least one of them: http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/drawers.htm The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. From what I've read--not that I've researched it seriously or anything--there was a good bit of scandal associated with the wearing of drawers/pantaloons/pantalettes (ankle-length drawers) in the early 19thC (starting in 1806). It was considered highly indecent to have anything between your legs like that; the shameless hussies, wearing men's garments! Also, a flesh-toned pair worn under a sheer gown, as apparently was sometimes done, presented a very scandalously risque look--think wet t-shirt with no bra, especially since dashing females are said to have dampened their dresses to make them cling. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. I would treat with caution any stories of the scandalous things Catherine de Medici did. At least one of these stories (13 iron corset) seems to have been anti-French propaganda on the part of the British, coming from a Victorian history of underwear (_Freaks of Fashion, the Corset and the Crinoline_, by somebody or other Lord; per Valerie Steele's _A Cultural History of the Corset_) Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
- Original Message - From: Chris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Basically, what I think she winds up saying is that virtually all the pictorial examples of women wearing braies in medieval Western Europe turn out to fit into one of two themes: (1) mythical women such as the Amazon warrior queen Penthisilea; or (2) who wears the pants in the family arguments between women and men. Neither one of these seems intended as a realistic picture of what women actually wore. It's been a while since I've read any of the texts in question, but I seem to remember running across quite a few crude gothic-era jokes about women, particularly mothers-in-law, falling down stairs or the like and landing with their nekkid bum in the air. The jokes wouldn't have worked nearly so well if the women in question were wearing braies... -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps getting in the way of completion. Sigh. Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as an innocent in the proceedings would have been in question. The reference is buried in the disaster pile of research, I'll try to find it this weekend I don't think it can be said that all women wore them all the time. But I also don't think women never wore them. Astrida -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of E House Sent: Thu 9/13/2007 6:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? - Original Message - From: Chris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Basically, what I think she winds up saying is that virtually all the pictorial examples of women wearing braies in medieval Western Europe turn out to fit into one of two themes: (1) mythical women such as the Amazon warrior queen Penthisilea; or (2) who wears the pants in the family arguments between women and men. Neither one of these seems intended as a realistic picture of what women actually wore. It's been a while since I've read any of the texts in question, but I seem to remember running across quite a few crude gothic-era jokes about women, particularly mothers-in-law, falling down stairs or the like and landing with their nekkid bum in the air. The jokes wouldn't have worked nearly so well if the women in question were wearing braies... -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
I'm of the serious thought that women wore SOMETHING in the winter, because one winter I was dressed in garb for my own personal research and let me clue yawind and snow blowing up long skirts (even three layers worth of linen and wool) gets mighty cold!! Backs of my legs and bum were numb after a while. Nope. Wore something on my legs after that. Brangwyne Subject: RE: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women? As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps getting in the way of completion. Sigh. Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as an innocent in the proceedings would have been in question. The reference is buried in the disaster pile of research, I'll try to find it this weekend I don't think it can be said that all women wore them all the time. But I also don't think women never wore them. Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Hating braies as I do (they're just so uncomfortable...) I'm fine with there being no evidence for women wearing them. :o) That said, that's the point really - there isn't any evidence - what there is that I'm aware of is questionable for one reason or another. Plus it may have varied in different parts of Europe - later on Pepys put his wife's wearing of drawers down to her Frenchness! Thinking logically about it, though, they're not needed to hold up women's hosen (generally only knee high, so held up with what later became sash garters), they don't add greatly in terms of warmth, and they do tend to get in the way somewhat at certain times with a full lenght dress (if you get what I mean!). But being in the same group as Jean, I also always tell people that we just don't know. You don't wanna know some of the frankly scary replies I've got from certain MoPs ! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: As it happens I'm working on a book too, only pesky life keeps getting in the way of completion. Sigh. Anyway, I -DID- run across a rape trial account where the man was convicted because he'd had to pull the girl's braies down before he could do the deed. Had there been no braies, her status as an innocent in the proceedings would have been in question. The reference is buried in the disaster pile of research, I'll try to find it this weekend I don't think it can be said that all women wore them all the time. But I also don't think women never wore them. That's roughly my feeling on the subject. There are a few suggestive bits of information out there, and those plus the practical considerations lead me to believe that drawers/braies wearing my Medieval women is at least plausible, if hard to document. -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
Head: Oversized mob cap. Big circle, lace on the edge, elastic to fit. For the skirt, how's about retroussee dans les poches or pulled out thru the pockets. Reach into the pocket-slashes of your gown (you might have to open a side seam), grab the same skirt, but lower down pull up back out thru the pockets. It's more of a street look than an evening gown look. You can see a few of these in the Kyoto Museum's Revolutions book. Quick, easy different. Have fun! --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: middle ages: braies for women?
Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) Many thanks, Zuzana I think we have to imagine that women wore some type of undergarment. You may like going commando, but I definitely feel more comfy with something down there. I've become a great wearer of braies not for warmth, but for comfort at sweaty, sticky summer events to keep my inner thighs safe from chafing. I've actually adopted a few of my husband's pairs that are too small for him. As for hose, as others have said we typically see women in knee-high hose, but if you've ever worn a skirt in the winter, you know how the wind can whistle around up underneath. I see no reason why women wouldn't have worn nice tall, wooly chausses in the wintertime. Evidence for this is another matter, of course, but I can't help but think practically about these things. -Helena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: middle ages: braies for women?
I've become a great wearer of braies not for warmth, but for comfort at sweaty, sticky summer events to keep my inner thighs safe from chafing. As for hose, as others have said we typically see women in knee-high hose, but if you've ever worn a skirt in the winter, you know how the wind can whistle around up underneath. I see no reason why women wouldn't have worn nice tall, wooly chausses in the wintertime. Evidence for this is another matter, of course, but I can't help but think practically about these things. -Helena My two cents on this, I have found that if you don't want the chaffing, walk slower, Living in south Texas, even when not in costume, that if you walk slowly, chaffing is not an issue anymore. The other thing I've found is that when your skirts drape upon the ground, there's no draft and you stay quite warm. Lift the skirts to move about and then you get the drafts and cold. It would seem there's more to that fashion than conspicuous consumption. for what it's worth alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Actually, I've seen a couple of illuminations (that go with the warming oneself by the fire motif that is often seen for the month of January or February (forget which) in medieval calendars that tend to support the no underpants theory. Why? Well, it was obvious there were no underpants by the parts of women's anatomy on display :-) There's one like that in the Tres Riches Heures, but the man by the fire is also pantsless and there are some white items hanging up. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Les_Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_duc_de_Berry_f%C3%A9vrier.jpg -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
