[h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Hi, I can't help you with your quest, but just wanted to thank you for that link! I've never seen a photo of that pourpoint in color before, nor displayed on a form. I had no idea what good condition it appears to be in or even that it would be such a lovely color. Wow. Laurie Taylor www.costumeraz.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:37 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
I have a couple pics. I sent them to you privately since they are in my computer and not on line. Genie On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
It looks like 4 arch angel images inside a twining angular vine. I've seen one that is similar on ebay. I can't remember the name of the seller but they have a business on there for celtic/renaissance fabrics. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:36:14 -0700 From: zkraemer...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I still like it a lot after seven years, so I think it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately. Hanna At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Once again, piracy and a parasitic attitude triumph! Fran On 5/12/2010 11:32 AM, Hanna Zickermann wrote: It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I still like it a lot after seven years, so I think it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately. Hanna At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Thank you so much! That is exactly what I needed. Really a beautiful pattern... I have to check this book out. I don't like books with modern drawing as they are often wrong, they have no sources, etc. but as I see there are meany good things to find there. I'll let you all know when the fabric is made. If you ever needed any brocade/damask with your own pattern, it is no problem to contact us (minimum order: 15-30meters, $25/meter, $150-200 pattern making fee). ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:32 PM It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I still like it a lot after seven years, so I think it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately. Hanna At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
But is pirating the author's material exactly what he needed? Was his permission gained before giving you material of his that you did not want to pay for? Fran On 5/12/2010 12:17 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Thank you so much! That is exactly what I needed. Really a beautiful pattern... I have to check this book out. I don't like books with modern drawing as they are often wrong, they have no sources, etc. but as I see there are meany good things to find there. I'll let you all know when the fabric is made. If you ever needed any brocade/damask with your own pattern, it is no problem to contact us (minimum order: 15-30meters, $25/meter, $150-200 pattern making fee). ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:32 PM It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I still like it a lot after seven years, so I think it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately. Hanna At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who is the original author of the graphic. It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book. I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I decide to buy it. Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the original sheet music. ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com wrote: From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:21 PM But is pirating the author's material exactly what he needed? Was his permission gained before giving you material of his that you did not want to pay for? Fran On 5/12/2010 12:17 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Thank you so much! That is exactly what I needed. Really a beautiful pattern... I have to check this book out. I don't like books with modern drawing as they are often wrong, they have no sources, etc. but as I see there are meany good things to find there. I'll let you all know when the fabric is made. If you ever needed any brocade/damask with your own pattern, it is no problem to contact us (minimum order: 15-30meters, $25/meter, $150-200 pattern making fee). ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:32 PM It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I still like it a lot after seven years, so I think it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately. Hanna At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermannh.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM There´s a sketch of the pattern in Kleidung und Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370 bei Ulrich Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you? Regards, Hanna At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote: Hi all, I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is: http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif Does anybody have a better picture? Thanks, Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who is the original author of the graphic. It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book. I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I decide to buy it. Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the original sheet music. It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a copyright holder's work without their permission on the grounds that it may sell something. And, if someone can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have a right to it. To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's right to get for free the hard work and investments of authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators, translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher, explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if they gave permission and giving them the emails of the people involved. Which I just did. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Thanks, Fran. You wanna see the receipt from Amazon? Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned about copyright? You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money goes lost in this business. I am not a part of it. And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black money. ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com wrote: From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:35 PM On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who is the original author of the graphic. It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book. I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I decide to buy it. Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the original sheet music. It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a copyright holder's work without their permission on the grounds that it may sell something. And, if someone can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have a right to it. To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's right to get for free the hard work and investments of authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators, translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher, explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if they gave permission and giving them the emails of the people involved. Which I just did. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] civility
Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 5/12/2010 12:51 PM, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. No, actually, as I always do in these circumstances, I very carefully asked the person I contacted if copyright permission was given and said if not, they might be interested. You do greater harm by them. How can I do harm if permission was given and I just made a mistake? If theft occurred, theft is not civil. If it did not coccur, no harm done. I don't agree with the female reenactor definition of civility as doing whatever other people want and an uncivil person as whoever you personally dislike or is not in your clique. If people like me, fine. If they don't like me, I sincerely don't care. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I also, by the way, do not even remotely feel threatened if people say they don't read my posts, or that they won't. I don't read many posts on email lists either. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astrida astrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. 2010/5/12, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com: Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
If nothing illegal occurred under German copyright law, no harm done by mentioning to the copyright holder. Fran On 5/12/2010 2:18 PM, Rachel Sohn wrote: My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. 2010/5/12, Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com: Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
I'm forseeing the usual endless gyrations justifying piracy and a parasitic attitude. I've gotten tired of the justifications for piracy. I just report everything that seems questionable to me to the copyright holder and let them determine whether they want that use to be made. Fran On 5/12/2010 2:18 PM, Rachel Sohn wrote: My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. 2010/5/12, Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com: Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
Doing my homework, I see that this is a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing more about the process involved. Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Becky Rautine) 2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Hanna Zickermann) 3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. Just like going to the public library, getting the book and making Xeroxes of a few pages I know...so old fashion these days, but the same. Personally, this civility fight is stupid and both parties are exaggerating! C'mon! Play nice! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
Hi Donna, Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time to your country). In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June. I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=csie=UTF-8layout=1eotf=1u=www.sartor.czsl=autotl=en ) We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in July/August). Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM Doing my homework, I see that this is a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing more about the process involved. Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Becky Rautine) 2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Hanna Zickermann) 3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
Personally, this civility fight is stupid and both parties are exaggerating! Gyrations, gyrations. It is perfectly civil to ask someone if you may copy their work and perfect civil to facilitate that, if the copying parties do not do it themselves. If people are afraid the copyright holder will refuse they should ask themselves why. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 145
Thanks Zuzana! I'll have a look when I have some more time. I'm a longtime spinner myself with a small amount of weaving experience - all the varied permutations of the craft excite me! Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
On 5/12/2010 2:56 PM, Donna Hawk wrote: you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. Correct. My livelihood depends on copyright law. I never see people apologizing for stealing. So, with two books to get to the printer, as I say, I just notify the copyright holders. I've been doing that for some time. I'm sure that any determined thieves are not actually interested in details of copyright law or quotes from books on it, they just want to run me around and support each other's justifications for theft. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Subject lines, was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
A request — please update subject lines when you change the subject! With such a varied range of interests, it helps people to know which posts they want to read and which ones to skip. The fabric on your site is lovely and I'd hate to have people miss it. Thank you! -Carol On May 12, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Hi Donna, Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time to your country). In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June. I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like http://translate.google.com/translate? js=yprev=_thl=csie=UTF-8layout=1eotf=1u=www.sartor.czsl=autotl =en ) We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in July/August). Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Custom Brocade
Can you please update the list when the new online shop is ready? :) From: Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 Hi Donna, Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time to your country). In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June. I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=csie=UTF-8layout=1eotf=1u=www.sartor.czsl=autotl=en ) We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in July/August). Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM Doing my homework, I see that this is a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing more about the process involved. Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Becky Rautine) 2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Hanna Zickermann) 3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Custom Brocade
Hi, I hope I will not forget to remind you:-)) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com Subject: [h-cost] Custom Brocade To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:18 AM Can you please update the list when the new online shop is ready? :) From: Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 Hi Donna, Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time to your country). In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June. I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=csie=UTF-8layout=1eotf=1u=www.sartor.czsl=autotl=en ) We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in July/August). Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM Doing my homework, I see that this is a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing more about the process involved. Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Becky Rautine) 2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Hanna Zickermann) 3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Question of fair use
Have to side with Fran on this one. As a creator of intellectual property that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her vigilance. The subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action was fair use; however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to reproduce the design on a fabric. Now, if she were weaving it herself (okay a stretch, I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be able to claim fair use. But to turn over the design to a commercial weaver, who could conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else, well, I agree that isn't fair to the author/artist. In that case, I would DEFINITELY ask the author/artist for permission. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use
Tell me one thing. How would be the situation if I asked the museum for close up photos of the fabric? I would do the design with help of these pictures. The result would be the same. Maybe I will do it, I will ask the museum for close up pictures for me to see the original. How on earth can you say which material I used in the end to produce the design given to a commercial weaver? Is there any copyright law regarding reproductions of extant garments/textiles? ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Thu, 5/13/10, annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com wrote: From: annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:26 AM Have to side with Fran on this one. As a creator of intellectual property that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her vigilance. The subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action was fair use; however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to reproduce the design on a fabric. Now, if she were weaving it herself (okay a stretch, I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be able to claim fair use. But to turn over the design to a commercial weaver, who could conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else, well, I agree that isn't fair to the author/artist. In that case, I would DEFINITELY ask the author/artist for permission. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use
I'm confused about this. Why would someone who took a photograph of a piece of clothing from the 14th century own the copyright for the pattern of the fabric? Now, I could see contacting the museum or organization that owns the piece of clothing. But the photographer or author of the book? No way. From: annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:26:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use Have to side with Fran on this one. As a creator of intellectual property that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her vigilance. The subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action was fair use; however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to reproduce the design on a fabric. Now, if she were weaving it herself (okay a stretch, I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be able to claim fair use. But to turn over the design to a commercial weaver, who could conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else, well, I agree that isn't fair to the author/artist. In that case, I would DEFINITELY ask the author/artist for permission. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use
As I've said, it's very curious that the same people who are so emphatic about their legal rights to do this or that and about civility, are so opposed to asking permission to use other people's copyrighted material. Why is that, I wonder? Fran On 5/12/2010 3:43 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: I'm confused about this. Why would someone who took a photograph of a piece of clothing from the 14th century own the copyright for the pattern of the fabric? Now, I could see contacting the museum or organization that owns the piece of clothing. But the photographer or author of the book? No way. From: annbw...@aol.comannbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:26:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use Have to side with Fran on this one. As a creator of intellectual property that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her vigilance. The subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action was fair use; however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to reproduce the design on a fabric. Now, if she were weaving it herself (okay a stretch, I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be able to claim fair use. But to turn over the design to a commercial weaver, who could conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else, well, I agree that isn't fair to the author/artist. In that case, I would DEFINITELY ask the author/artist for permission. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
Out of curiosity, how much might a copyright holder charge for permission to do this? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 On 5/12/2010 2:56 PM, Donna Hawk wrote: you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. Correct. My livelihood depends on copyright law. I never see people apologizing for stealing. So, with two books to get to the printer, as I say, I just notify the copyright holders. I've been doing that for some time. I'm sure that any determined thieves are not actually interested in details of copyright law or quotes from books on it, they just want to run me around and support each other's justifications for theft. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Just send her posts to Trash... This is a recurring thing with her and not worth my time, so I created a filter just for her... It's not the defending copyrights thing... it's the way she has of walking on your toes then slapping you in the face, all the time being self-righteous about it. Really, not worth spending the energy on! I welcome any and all opinions... as long as they are worded respectful and considerate manner... On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, Fran. You wanna see the receipt from Amazon? Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned about copyright? You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money goes lost in this business. I am not a part of it. And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black money. ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com wrote: From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:35 PM On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who is the original author of the graphic. It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book. I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I decide to buy it. Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the original sheet music. It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a copyright holder's work without their permission on the grounds that it may sell something. And, if someone can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have a right to it. To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's right to get for free the hard work and investments of authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators, translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher, explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if they gave permission and giving them the emails of the people involved. Which I just did. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Custom Brocade
I'd love to know as well-- choices where I am are extremely limited! Astrida From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova [zkraemer...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Custom Brocade Hi, I hope I will not forget to remind you:-)) ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com Subject: [h-cost] Custom Brocade To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:18 AM Can you please update the list when the new online shop is ready? :) From: Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:02:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 Hi Donna, Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time to your country). In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June. I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=csie=UTF-8layout=1eotf=1u=www.sartor.czsl=autotl=en ) We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in July/August). Zuzana ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Donna Hawk dhaw...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM Doing my homework, I see that this is a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing more about the process involved. Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com h-costume-requ...@indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Becky Rautine) 2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Hanna Zickermann) 3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) 8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Zuzana Kraemerova) 9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
On 5/12/2010 4:04 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: Out of curiosity, how much might a copyright holder charge for permission to do this? For this kind of subsidiary use the fee is totally up to whoever is controlling the rights to that use, ranging from free to whatever they want to charge. Or they can refuse permission entirely for any reason they like. It's up to them. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
Or could it be you just don't like being told you can't legally or ethically use other people's copyrighted material in any way you like without the simple action of asking their permission? Fran On 5/12/2010 4:07 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Just send her posts to Trash... This is a recurring thing with her and not worth my time, so I created a filter just for her... It's not the defending copyrights thing... it's the way she has of walking on your toes then slapping you in the face, all the time being self-righteous about it. Really, not worth spending the energy on! I welcome any and all opinions... as long as they are worded respectful and considerate manner... On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks, Fran. You wanna see the receipt from Amazon? Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned about copyright? You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money goes lost in this business. I am not a part of it. And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black money. ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com wrote: From: Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:35 PM On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who is the original author of the graphic. It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book. I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I decide to buy it. Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the original sheet music. It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a copyright holder's work without their permission on the grounds that it may sell something. And, if someone can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have a right to it. To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's right to get for free the hard work and investments of authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators, translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher, explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if they gave permission and giving them the emails of the people involved. Which I just did. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use
On May 12, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Tell me one thing. How would be the situation if I asked the museum for close up photos of the fabric? I would do the design with help of these pictures. The result would be the same. Maybe I will do it, I will ask the museum for close up pictures for me to see the original. How on earth can you say which material I used in the end to produce the design given to a commercial weaver? Is there any copyright law regarding reproductions of extant garments/textiles? ___ Sartor...custom-made costumes www.sartor.cz It's not copyright, but there are rights of ownership. If you are looking to copy that exact textile, then you should be in touch with the museum that owns it. If you are designing something inspired by it and other textiles, that's a different matter. Those writing books will buy originals or study in a museum, with specific permission of how they may use their photographs of museum objects. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use
Because the book isn't copyrighting the pattern. One of the things we found when photographing in European museums is that the rules are very strict on who the copyright of the photographed image belongs to. It definitely isn't the photographer. In some places where there is a strict no-photography rule (Verulamium, Wallace Collection etc), we were able to photograph providing that we signed a form saying that we would only used the photographs for research purposes, not for commercial use. Any copyright strictly stayed with the museum. According to modern copyrighting laws the original copyrighting of the pattern in the fabric expired in the early 1400s. If the museum has copyright over it, then one would have to contact the museum, not the author or photographer. Glenda. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2010 8:59 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use As I've said, it's very curious that the same people who are so emphatic about their legal rights to do this or that and about civility, are so opposed to asking permission to use other people's copyrighted material. Why is that, I wonder? Fran On 5/12/2010 3:43 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: I'm confused about this. Why would someone who took a photograph of a piece of clothing from the 14th century own the copyright for the pattern of the fabric? Now, I could see contacting the museum or organization that owns the piece of clothing. But the photographer or author of the book? No way. From: annbw...@aol.comannbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:26:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use Have to side with Fran on this one. As a creator of intellectual property that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her vigilance. The subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action was fair use; however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to reproduce the design on a fabric. Now, if she were weaving it herself (okay a stretch, I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be able to claim fair use. But to turn over the design to a commercial weaver, who could conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else, well, I agree that isn't fair to the author/artist. In that case, I would DEFINITELY ask the author/artist for permission. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use
One of the things we found when photographing in European museums is that the rules are very strict on who the copyright of the photographed image belongs to. It definitely isn't the photographer. In some places where there is a strict no-photography rule (Verulamium, Wallace Collection etc), we were able to photograph providing that we signed a form saying that we would only used the photographs for research purposes, not for commercial use. Any copyright strictly stayed with the museum. A publisher is held legally responsible for clearing permissions to copyrighted works used in the publication. The photo copyright could belong to a photographer (one who did not sign the relevant rights away to a museum), or to a museum, or to someone hired by the publisher or author. However, the publisher always knows who the copyright belongs to, and the author often knows. If the publisher does not hold the copyright they can direct you to the relevant party, and the author can always direct you to the publisher. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright
Post Titles Apologies Carol! I forgot to change the heading when I posted...I'm not accustomed to this list yet. I will try not to forget in the future! Custom Brocade Zuzana, I look forward to your updates also! Copyright (was Civility) Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking only to intellectual rights: The copyright holder can only charge or withhold approval for use of their intellectual property - in this case whatever text they created and the actual photos used (unless the photos were used by permission of another author/photographer...then you'd have to hunt THEM down!). If a reader of the publication decides to create a fabric based on their *personal* interpretation of that photo, or any other image of the object, they have every right to do so, so long as they aren't simply printing a digital scan of the photo/document onto the fabric - it has to be obviously different from the original document. An artist creating a garment in the shape of the pourpoint, where the fabric was printed with one or more repeats of said photograph, would have to have the copyright owner's permission to use the image in that way. If the author had posted a conceptual weaving draft of the fabric, without giving permission for use in the text of the book, you would have to ask permission to use *that draft*, or one reasonably similar, unless you could prove that you had prepared your draft prior to seeing the draft in question (parallel development). No one can take and publish a photograph of a historical item and thereby have copyright on the physical or surface design of said historical item. Even if they DREW a picture that was their interpretation of that design, they only own the copyright to the drawing, not the historical design it was based upon. The process of drafting that design into a woven brocade is sufficient difference to not be a violation of copyright, unless, say, you used a computer program to precisely duplicate the graphic either in the woven item, or on its surface (see above). Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Historic Masquerade Running Order and ResultsResults
Costume Con 28 Historic Masquerade Report Directors: Pierre and Sandy Pettigner Master of Ceremonies: Steve Swope Judges: Karen Dick Toni Lay Carol Inkpen Judge's Clerk: Jan Price 0 Costume-Con 29 Special Guest Appearance DivisionJourneyman Category Historic Interpretation DesignersDora Buck Creators Dora Buck Presenters Dora Buck Sandy Swank 1 Thinking of Darcy: A stroll with Elizabeth DivisionJourneyman Category Historic Dress DesignersJessica Procopio Creators Jessica Procopio Presenters Jessica Procopio Workmanship Award Best in Class Workmanship Bonus Award$50 Vogue Gift Certificate including 1 year subscription to Vogue Fabrics by Mail and 1 Year subscription to 3-2- 1 Fabrics donated by Vogue Fabrics Presentation Award Best in Class Presentation Bonus Award Historical Costumes of England 1066-1968 donated by Carol Inkpen 2 Griffin of Venice DivisionNoviceCategory Historic Dress DesignersSarah Bloy Creators Sarah Bloy Presenters Sarah Bloy Workmanship Award Honored for Excellence for Embroidery 3 Kabuki Revolution Extreme DivisionNovice Category Historic Interpretation DesignersKatrina and Mikhail Lynn Creators Katrina and Mikhail Lynn Presenters Katrina and Mikhail Lynn Documentation AwardBest in Class Documentation Bonus Award Fashion Illustration donated by Eric Cannon and Sue Kulinyi Presentation Award Best in Show Presentation BonusCertificate for complete set of videos donated by Eric Cannon and Sue Kulinyi 4 A Regency Grandmother DivisionNovice Category Historic Dress DesignersMargaret Decker Creators Margaret Decker Presenters Margaret Decker Workmanship Award Best in Class Workmanship Bonus Award $50 Vogue Gift Certificate including 1 year subscription toVogue Fabrics by Mail and 1 Yearsubscription to 3-2-1 Fabrics donated byVogue Fabrics 5 White Star Line Able Seaman's Uniform, 1912 DivisionMaster Category Historic Interpretation DesignersKevin P. Roche Creators Kevin P. Roche Presenters Kevin P. Roche Documentation AwardBest in Class Documentation Bonus AwardThe Fiberarts Bookof Wearable Art donated by CarolInkpen Workmanship Award Honored for Excellence for Tailoring 6 Forgotten Finery: A Blackfoot Woman's Dress Attire circa 1910 DivisionNovice Category Ethnic Costume DesignersLynn Duffield Creators Lynn Duffield Presenters Lynn Duffield Documentation AwardBest in Show Documentation BonusAward Certificate forcomplete set of videos donated by Eric Cannon and Sue Kulinyi
Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright
Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking only to intellectual rights: Is this German copyright law? If the book is copyrighted in Germany, that is the law that applies. The Berne Convention requires the countries who signed it to respect each other's copyright laws, but these are by no means identical. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright
Sorry, I'm only getting the digest, so it's difficult to respond straight from reading the h-archive: Fran, you're just being a troll and stirring things up. I refuse to feed the trolls. Got it? Lavolta Press Wed, 12 May 2010 17:07:34 -0700 Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking only to intellectual rights: Is this German copyright law? If the book is copyrighted in Germany, that is the law that applies. The Berne Convention requires the countries who signed it to respect each other's copyright laws, but these are by no means identical. Fran Donna Hawk Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares enough to break them down. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
and will be deleting future posts on this. Another reason I wonn't let you run me around. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re Brocade
Dear Zuzana, You have some lovely brocades on your website. Do you post to Australia and how much would that be per metre? Thanks Sharon. Sharon Doig in Canberra - Australia E: po_box_...@yahoo.com.au Blog: http://www.rosiesstuffnsew.blogspot.com Make your mark and achieve success or, if need be, die in the attempt. Miriam Leslie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
A friend of mine tracked down the woman who did the conservation on the pourpoint who as delighted that someone was interested in her work. She sent my friend copies of her notes. I don't remember the name but I would be happy to share your email with my friend. Mary / Slaine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con
I missed you again. And, this year I knew you were going to be there. I know Sandy, Pierre and Robin, and Teddy. I may have glimpsed you and you husband at the social and not realized it was you. Better luck next time. Genie, SLCG, and long time Costume Galley fan. -Original Message- From: Penny Ladnier penn...@costumegallery.com Sent: May 8, 2010 12:20 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con YIPPEE! I finally meet Robin, Pierre Sandy. Robin found me on the floor in photographing details of a person's costume. She remembered that I photographed while laying on the floor at the Ringling Museum. Robin invited me to photographed her during one of her lectures Sat. morning. The theme of CC is spies. Twice Robin and I headed to my photography location and she got pulled away. About 250 people were in the ballroom. Near the end of the evening I keep looking for Robin to photograph her...she was no where to be found. Sandy and Pierre were dressed as spies...Pierre made stunning tailored costumes for them. I gave the spies a mission, find Robin for me. After a while, Sandy came to me and said that she found Robin on the other side of the ballroom. We sneaked up on Robin like spies. I finally got a photo-op of her. I also photographed Sandy Pierre. They reminded me that all three were on my first Online Costume Ball and others. It was so nice to finally met the three of them. We have been talking for 15 years on h-costume. I was a college student at the time. I can't wait to see what Pierre Sandy's costumes are Sat. night at the Sci-Fi masquerade. I have admired their work for years and it is such an honor to meet them. Danielle and other h-costumers try to find me this weekend. Don't be surprised if I am on a floor or a foot away from some costume details photographing. Just hang around and we will chat. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con
Genie, Darn, I am so sorry that we missed you. I missed meeting Danielle too. Maybe next year. I did get to meet h-costumer Ann in CT. I took lots of photos of Sandy and Pierre in costumes. We only had a chance to mingle on Friday night. The switch to cold weather really got the better of me and Joe. We left 90 degree weather in Richmond. Maybe next year, Arizona will be warmer. We could hardly walk by the end of each evening. Next year Joe should feel a lot better with his new knee. During green room time, I was running up and down the hall behind the stage to take contestants to Joe to photograph. My feet swollen so much from doing that. I didn't get to see but a little of the historic show because I had three entries left to photograph. I just watched the videotape that Joe made of the historic masquerade and it looked really good. I took four classes...two were Robin's. I learned a lot! Thank you Robin for teaching the classes! The rest of the time, we only left our hotel room two hours before the shows for the green room and the show time. We didn't take many hall costume photos. Going between the two floors of the hotel made it hard to find people to photograph. Last year, the central meeting area made meet and greet and an opportunity to photograph hall costumes a lot easier. If you know someone who photographed this year's hall costumes, or if you have photos of yourself please contact me. I really feel bad that we didn't photograph many hall costumes. We had to make a choice to photograph the masquerades or hall costumes. Since most people can not see the costume details on stage, we chose to photograph them. You will be amazed at the costume details. The wonderful thing is to hear the stories behind the costumes. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con
I live in Kenosha, probably less than an hour away from Costume Con this year yet I couldn't go because of finances. It made me sick thinking about everything that was going on yet not being able to be there. I'll just have to wait until all the pictures everyone took get put on line. Chris Perri In a message dated 5/13/2010 12:01:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, penn...@costumegallery.com writes: Genie, Darn, I am so sorry that we missed you. I missed meeting Danielle too. Maybe next year. I did get to meet h-costumer Ann in CT. I took lots of photos of Sandy and Pierre in costumes. We only had a chance to mingle on Friday night. The switch to cold weather really got the better of me and Joe. We left 90 degree weather in Richmond. Maybe next year, Arizona will be warmer. We could hardly walk by the end of each evening. Next year Joe should feel a lot better with his new knee. During green room time, I was running up and down the hall behind the stage to take contestants to Joe to photograph. My feet swollen so much from doing that. I didn't get to see but a little of the historic show because I had three entries left to photograph. I just watched the videotape that Joe made of the historic masquerade and it looked really good. I took four classes...two were Robin's. I learned a lot! Thank you Robin for teaching the classes! The rest of the time, we only left our hotel room two hours before the shows for the green room and the show time. We didn't take many hall costume photos. Going between the two floors of the hotel made it hard to find people to photograph. Last year, the central meeting area made meet and greet and an opportunity to photograph hall costumes a lot easier. If you know someone who photographed this year's hall costumes, or if you have photos of yourself please contact me. I really feel bad that we didn't photograph many hall costumes. We had to make a choice to photograph the masquerades or hall costumes. Since most people can not see the costume details on stage, we chose to photograph them. You will be amazed at the costume details. The wonderful thing is to hear the stories behind the costumes. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con
Penny, Next year is in New Jersey. 2012 is in Arizona. Sandy At 12:00 AM 5/13/2010, you wrote: We only had a chance to mingle on Friday night. The switch to cold weather really got the better of me and Joe. We left 90 degree weather in Richmond. Maybe next year, Arizona will be warmer. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Museum Photo Reproduction Fees
A lot of museums base their reproduction fees similar the Chicago History Museum: http://www.chicagohistory.org/documents/research/rightsandrepro/CHM-RightsReproFees.pdf When speaking with a museum you need to know exact details that you will need for permission and production fees. You are entering into a licensing agreement. You need to know size, length of time for publication, etc. Have your ducks in a row before talking with them. The people in this department are very busy and used to working with big production agencies and publishers. Part of my internship at the Valentine Museum was in this department shadowing the curator. I learned a lot. Many museums are licensing for reproductions of their collections. Don't expect them to give it away. Generally museums make more money through their collections reproduction rights than visitors' admission fees. I strongly suggest that it you go to a museum and photograph with the intention of publishing on paper or the web to obtain written permission from the museum. Just asking permission from a docent is not binding. Make an appointment with the curator or marketing dept. to photograph is standard practice. It is very difficult to obtain permission if you just show up on location without advance notice. Most museum's want more than a week or two notice. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con
Thank you Sandy for the correction. Maybe it will be warmer next year in Jersey. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 14 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
