Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-12 Thread Penny Ladnier
Thank you Sandy for the correction.  Maybe it will be warmer next year in 
Jersey.


Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
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[h-cost] Museum Photo Reproduction Fees

2010-05-12 Thread Penny Ladnier
A lot of museums base their reproduction fees similar the Chicago History 
Museum:
http://www.chicagohistory.org/documents/research/rightsandrepro/CHM-RightsReproFees.pdf

When speaking with a museum you need to know exact details that you will need 
for permission and production fees.  You are entering into a licensing 
agreement.  You need to know size, length of time for publication, etc.  Have 
your ducks in a row before talking with them.  The people in this department 
are very busy and used to working with big production agencies and publishers.  
Part of my internship at the Valentine Museum was in this department shadowing 
the curator.  I learned a lot.

Many museums are licensing for reproductions of their collections.  Don't 
expect them to give it away.  Generally museums make more money through their 
collections reproduction rights than visitors' admission fees.

I strongly suggest that it you go to a museum and photograph with the intention 
of publishing on paper or the web to obtain written permission from the museum. 
 Just asking permission from a docent is not binding.  Make an appointment with 
the curator or marketing dept. to photograph is standard practice.  It is very 
difficult to obtain permission if you just show up on location without advance 
notice.  Most museum's want more than a week or two notice.

Penny Ladnier
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Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-12 Thread Pierre & Sandy Pettinger

Penny,

Next year is in New Jersey.  2012 is in Arizona.

Sandy

At 12:00 AM 5/13/2010, you wrote:

We only had a chance to mingle on Friday night.  The switch to cold 
weather really got the better of me and Joe. We left 90 degree 
weather in Richmond. Maybe next year, Arizona will be warmer.


Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
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14 websites of fashion, textiles, & costume history


"Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

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"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C. Y. 4971

Andromeda 


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Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-12 Thread ShaShalott
I live in Kenosha, probably less than an hour away from Costume Con this  
year yet I couldn't go because of finances. It made me sick thinking about  
everything that was going on yet not being able to be there. I'll just have 
to  wait until all the pictures everyone took get put on line.
 
Chris Perri
 
 
In a message dated 5/13/2010 12:01:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
penn...@costumegallery.com writes:

Genie,

Darn, I am so sorry that we missed you.  I  missed meeting Danielle too. 
Maybe next year.  I did get to meet  h-costumer Ann in CT.  I took lots of 
photos of Sandy and Pierre in  costumes.

We only had a chance to mingle on Friday night.  The  switch to cold 
weather 
really got the better of me and Joe. We left 90  degree weather in 
Richmond. 
Maybe next year, Arizona will be warmer.   We could hardly walk by the end 
of 
each evening.  Next year Joe  should feel a lot better with his new knee. 
During green room time, I was  running up and down the hall behind the 
stage 
to take contestants to Joe  to photograph.  My feet swollen so much from 
doing that.  I  didn't get to see but a little of the historic show because 
I 
had three  entries left to photograph.  I just watched the videotape that 
Joe  
made of the historic masquerade and it looked really good.

I took  four classes...two were Robin's.  I learned a lot!  Thank you Robin 
 
for teaching the classes!  The rest of the time, we only left our  hotel 
room 
two hours before the shows for the green room and the show  time.  We 
didn't 
take many hall costume photos.  Going between  the two floors of the hotel 
made it hard to find people to  photograph.  Last year, the central meeting 
area made "meet and  greet" and an opportunity to photograph hall costumes 
a 
lot  easier.   If you know someone who photographed this year's hall  
costumes, or if you have photos of yourself please contact me.

I  really feel bad that we didn't photograph many hall costumes.  We had to 
 
make a choice to photograph the masquerades or hall costumes.  Since  most 
people can not see the costume details on stage, we chose to  photograph 
them.  You will be amazed at the costume details.   The wonderful thing is 
to 
hear the stories behind the  costumes.

Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery  Websites
www.costumegallery.com
14 websites of fashion, textiles, &  costume history  


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Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-12 Thread Penny Ladnier

Genie,

Darn, I am so sorry that we missed you.  I missed meeting Danielle too. 
Maybe next year.  I did get to meet h-costumer Ann in CT.  I took lots of 
photos of Sandy and Pierre in costumes.


We only had a chance to mingle on Friday night.  The switch to cold weather 
really got the better of me and Joe. We left 90 degree weather in Richmond. 
Maybe next year, Arizona will be warmer.  We could hardly walk by the end of 
each evening.  Next year Joe should feel a lot better with his new knee. 
During green room time, I was running up and down the hall behind the stage 
to take contestants to Joe to photograph.  My feet swollen so much from 
doing that.  I didn't get to see but a little of the historic show because I 
had three entries left to photograph.  I just watched the videotape that Joe 
made of the historic masquerade and it looked really good.


I took four classes...two were Robin's.  I learned a lot!  Thank you Robin 
for teaching the classes!  The rest of the time, we only left our hotel room 
two hours before the shows for the green room and the show time.  We didn't 
take many hall costume photos.  Going between the two floors of the hotel 
made it hard to find people to photograph.  Last year, the central meeting 
area made "meet and greet" and an opportunity to photograph hall costumes a 
lot easier.   If you know someone who photographed this year's hall 
costumes, or if you have photos of yourself please contact me.


I really feel bad that we didn't photograph many hall costumes.  We had to 
make a choice to photograph the masquerades or hall costumes.  Since most 
people can not see the costume details on stage, we chose to photograph 
them.  You will be amazed at the costume details.  The wonderful thing is to 
hear the stories behind the costumes.


Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
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Re: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con

2010-05-12 Thread Genie

I missed you again.  And, this year I knew you were going to be there.  I know 
Sandy, Pierre and Robin, and Teddy.  I may have glimpsed you and you husband at 
the social and not realized it was you.  Better luck next time.

Genie,
SLCG, and long time Costume Galley fan.

-Original Message-
>From: Penny Ladnier 
>Sent: May 8, 2010 12:20 AM
>To: Historical Costume 
>Subject: [h-cost] Friday at Costume Con
>
>YIPPEE!  I finally meet Robin, Pierre & Sandy.  Robin found me on the floor 
>in photographing details of a person's costume.  She remembered that I 
>photographed while laying on the floor at the Ringling Museum.  Robin 
>invited me to photographed her during one of her lectures Sat. morning.
>
>The theme of CC is spies.  Twice Robin and I headed to my photography 
>location and she got pulled away.  About 250 people were in the ballroom. 
>Near the end of the evening I keep looking for Robin to photograph her...she 
>was no where to be found.  Sandy and Pierre were dressed as spies...Pierre 
>made stunning tailored costumes for them.  I gave the spies a mission, find 
>Robin for me.  After a while, Sandy came to me and said that she found Robin 
>on the other side of the ballroom.  We sneaked up on Robin like spies.  I 
>finally got a photo-op of her.  I also photographed Sandy & Pierre.  They 
>reminded me that all three were on my first Online Costume Ball and others.
>
>It was so nice to finally met the three of them.  We have been talking for 
>15 years on h-costume.  I was a college student at the time.
>
>I can't wait to see what Pierre & Sandy's costumes are Sat. night at the 
>Sci-Fi masquerade.  I have admired their work for years and it is such an 
>honor to meet them.
>
>Danielle and other h-costumers try to find me this weekend.  Don't be 
>surprised if I am on a floor or a foot away from some costume details 
>photographing.  Just hang around and we will chat.
>
>Penny Ladnier
>Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
>www.costumegallery.com
>14 websites of fashion, textiles, & costume history 
>
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Mary
A friend of mine tracked down the woman who did the conservation on the 
pourpoint who as delighted that someone was interested in her work. She sent my 
friend copies of her notes. I don't remember the name but I would be happy to 
share your email with my friend.

Mary / Slaine
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[h-cost] Re Brocade

2010-05-12 Thread Sharon Doig
Dear Zuzana,
You have some lovely brocades on your website. Do you post to Australia and how 
much would that be per metre?

Thanks

Sharon.

 Sharon Doig in Canberra - Australia
E: po_box_...@yahoo.com.au

Blog:  http://www.rosiesstuffnsew.blogspot.com

Make your mark and achieve success
or, if need be, die in the attempt.
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



and will be deleting future posts
on this.



Another reason I wonn't let you run me around.

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



committed can possibly land you with a slander suit.
If you know copyright then you should know that it is allowed to copy  for
personal use without needing permission.


Sigh. There are limits to that. Fair use does not mean copying anything 
you want for personal use.



So perhaps you would like to go over the German copyright laws and see if
truly a theft has occurred.



It's the people distributing the material who should do that. The burden 
of proof is on them. Not me.


I personally think I have hit on the ideal solution:  Ask permission. I 
admit that I have no respect for people unwilling to do that.


Fran



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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread otsisto
Fran, calling someone a thief before you truly know that a theft has been
committed can possibly land you with a slander suit.
If you know copyright then you should know that it is allowed to copy  for
personal use without needing permission. There are exceptions, one is if
there is a statement at the beginning of the book that specifically states
that no copying of any part of the book is allowed. Permission to copy is
needed when one is to use whatever is being copied for non personal use, say
to publish in another book.
So perhaps you would like to go over the German copyright laws and see if
truly a theft has occurred.
http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/UrhG.htm
If so, then accuse to your hearts content.

To the list as a whole, I have already heard enough on copyrights on another
list. It wasn't the subject that irritated me, especially when someone who
is a lawyer and deals with copyright laws explained it in simple terms that
I could understand but the self righteous folks who took the extreme sides
of the subject.

Am I condoning copyright infringement NO!
Is the situation that has caused Fran to cry copyright infringement really
infringement? Not from what I have come to understand about copyright.
This is all that I'm going to say on this and will be deleting future posts
on this.

De



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Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press
No, actually, since my livelihood depends on copyright law I firmly 
believe in it, and I've worked in various ways to defend copyright 
protection completely outside e-groups or the reenactor community.


Your calling me a "troll" does not render invalid statements like, a 
book is copyrighted in the country where the copyright is registered, 
that is the copyright law that applies, and other countries' laws are 
not identical to those of the US. Sorry, Donna, those are facts.


However, I've been in numerous discussions about this on h-costume where 
people gyrate all over the place and have five million excuses about 
wanting a publication and not being able to afford it, it's too much 
trouble to ask permission, their personal violations do no harm, and on, 
and on, and on, and on, and on. I don't have time to yet again haul out 
all my books on copyright and explain what US law (which does not seem 
to apply in this case) says about fair use only to yet again have 
everyone distort what the law says fair use is, and what educational use 
is, to justify whatever uses they want to make of works without asking 
permission.


Hardly trolling.  I do have two books of my own to get to the printer. 
So as I said, I just cut to the chase and lay the permissions issues 
before the rightful owners.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



On 5/12/2010 5:07 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:




Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a
publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking
only to intellectual rights:


By the way, the copyright of a page _is_ an intellectual property right. 
 Furthermore, the laws of some European countries include what they 
call the "moral rights" of the creator.


Look, whoever wants to use copyrighted material without permission will 
no doubt support and encourage other h-costume members, confuse the 
rest, and scream about how they everything I say is invalid because they 
dislike me or don't want to hear it. But that has absolutely no effect 
on what is actually legal, what the copyright owner would permit, etc. 
So, I'll just continue passing along the info to authors, publishers, 
and distributors.




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Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright

2010-05-12 Thread Donna Hawk







Sorry, I'm only getting the digest, so it's difficult 
to respond straight from reading the h-archive:

Fran, you're just being a troll and stirring things up. I refuse to feed the 
trolls. Got it?


Lavolta Press

Wed, 12 May 2010 17:07:34 -0700








Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a 
publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking only to 
intellectual rights:

Is this German copyright law?  If the book is copyrighted in 
Germany, 
that is the law that applies. The Berne Convention requires the
 
countries who signed it to respect each other's copyright laws,
 but 
these are by no means identical.
Fran


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Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press




Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a 
publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking only to 
intellectual rights:



Is this German copyright law?  If the book is copyrighted in Germany, 
that is the law that applies. The Berne Convention requires the 
countries who signed it to respect each other's copyright laws, but 
these are by no means identical.


Fran
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[h-cost] Historic Masquerade Running Order and ResultsResults

2010-05-12 Thread Pierre & Sandy Pettinger


Costume Con 28 Historic Masquerade Report

Directors: Pierre and Sandy Pettigner
Master of Ceremonies: Steve Swope

Judges: Karen Dick
 Toni Lay
  Carol Inkpen

Judge's Clerk: Jan Price


0  Costume-Con 29 Special Guest Appearance
  DivisionJourneyman Category 
Historic Interpretation


DesignersDora Buck

Creators  Dora Buck

Presenters   Dora Buck

  Sandy Swank


1  Thinking of Darcy: A stroll with Elizabeth
   DivisionJourneyman Category 
Historic Dress


DesignersJessica Procopio

Creators  Jessica Procopio

Presenters   Jessica Procopio

Workmanship 
Award  Best in Class


Workmanship Bonus 
Award$50 Vogue 
Gift   Certificate including 1 year 
subscription to Vogue  Fabrics by 
Mail and 1 Year subscription to 
3-2- 1 Fabrics donated by Vogue Fabrics


Presentation 
Award   Best in Class


Presentation Bonus 
Award   Historical 
Costumes  of England 1066-1968 
donated by Carol   Inkpen


2  Griffin of Venice
DivisionNoviceCategory 
Historic Dress


DesignersSarah Bloy

Creators  Sarah Bloy

Presenters   Sarah Bloy

Workmanship 
Award  Honored for Excellence 
for   Embroidery


3  Kabuki Revolution Extreme
DivisionNovice 
Category  Historic Interpretation


DesignersKatrina and Mikhail Lynn

Creators  Katrina and Mikhail Lynn

Presenters   Katrina and Mikhail Lynn

Documentation 
AwardBest in Class


Documentation Bonus 
Award Fashion 
Illustration  donated by Eric 
Cannon and Sue Kulinyi



   Presentation 
Award   Best in Show


Presentation 
BonusCertificate for complete 
set  of videos donated by Eric Cannon 
and 
Sue Kulinyi 



4  A Regency Grandmother
DivisionNovice 
Category  Historic Dress


DesignersMargaret Decker

Creators  Margaret Decker

Presenters   Margaret Decker

Workmanship 
Award  Best in Class


Workmanship 
Bonus  Award   $50 Vogue 
Gift   Certificate including 1 year 
subscription toVogue Fabrics by 
Mail and 1 Yearsubscription 
to 3-2-1 Fabrics donated 
byVogue Fabrics



5  White Star Line Able Seaman's Uniform, 1912
DivisionMaster 
Category  Historic Interpretation


DesignersKevin P. Roche

Creators  Kevin P. Roche

Presenters   Kevin P. Roche

Documentation 
AwardBest in Class


Documentation 
Bonus  AwardThe Fiberarts 
Bookof Wearable Art donated 
by 
CarolInkpen 

Workmanship 
Award  Honored for Excellence 
for   Tailoring


6  Forgotten Finery: A Blackfoot Woman's Dress Attire circa 1910
 DivisionNovice 
Category  Ethnic Costume


DesignersLynn Duffield

Creators  Lynn Duffield

Presenters   Lynn Duffield

Documentation 
AwardBest in Show


Documentation 
BonusAward Certificate 
forcomplete set of videos 
donated by Eric  Cannon and Sue Kulinyi



Re: [h-cost] Post Titles, Custom Brocade, Copyright

2010-05-12 Thread Donna Hawk
Post Titles

Apologies Carol! I forgot to change the heading when I posted...I'm not 
accustomed to this list yet. I will try not to forget in the future!

Custom  Brocade

Zuzana, I look forward to your updates also!

Copyright (was Civility)

Sharon, I'm ignoring the question of fair use of a copied page from a 
publication (either physical or digital via the Internet) and speaking only to 
intellectual rights:

The copyright holder can only charge or withhold approval for use of their 
intellectual property - in this case whatever text they created and the actual 
photos used (unless the photos were used by permission of another 
author/photographer...then you'd have to hunt THEM down!). 

If a reader of the publication decides to create a fabric based on their 
*personal* interpretation of that photo, or any other image of the object, they 
have every right to do so, so long as they aren't simply printing a digital 
scan of the photo/document onto the fabric - it has to be obviously different 
from the original document. An artist creating a garment in the shape of the 
pourpoint, where the fabric was printed with one or more repeats of said 
photograph, would have to have the copyright owner's permission to use the 
image in that way.

If the author had posted a conceptual weaving draft of the fabric, without 
giving permission for use in the text of the book, you would have to ask 
permission to use *that draft*, or one reasonably similar, unless you could 
prove that you had prepared your draft prior to seeing the draft in question 
(parallel development). 

No one can take and publish a photograph of a historical item and thereby have 
copyright on the physical or surface design of said historical item. Even if 
they DREW a picture that was their interpretation of that design, they only own 
the copyright to the drawing, not the historical design it was based upon. The 
process of drafting that design into a woven brocade is sufficient difference 
to not be a violation of copyright, unless, say, you used a computer program to 
precisely duplicate the graphic either in the woven item, or on its surface 
(see above).  

Donna Hawk 
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enough to break them down.



  
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Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



One of the things we found when photographing in European museums is that
the rules are very strict on who the copyright of the photographed image
belongs to. It definitely isn't the photographer. In some places where there
is a strict no-photography rule (Verulamium, Wallace Collection etc), we
were able to photograph providing that we signed a form saying that we would
only used the photographs for research purposes, not for commercial use. Any
copyright strictly stayed with the museum.


A publisher is held legally responsible for clearing permissions to 
copyrighted works used in the publication. The photo copyright could 
belong to a photographer (one who did not sign the relevant rights away 
to a museum), or to a museum, or to someone hired by the publisher or 
author. However, the publisher always knows who the copyright belongs 
to, and the author often knows. If the publisher does not hold the 
copyright they can direct you to the relevant party, and the author can 
always direct you to the publisher.


Fran

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Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread Glenda Robinson
Because the book isn't copyrighting the pattern.
 
One of the things we found when photographing in European museums is that
the rules are very strict on who the copyright of the photographed image
belongs to. It definitely isn't the photographer. In some places where there
is a strict no-photography rule (Verulamium, Wallace Collection etc), we
were able to photograph providing that we signed a form saying that we would
only used the photographs for research purposes, not for commercial use. Any
copyright strictly stayed with the museum.

According to modern copyrighting laws the original copyrighting of the
pattern in the fabric expired in the early 1400s. If the museum has
copyright over it, then one would have to contact the museum, not the author
or photographer.

Glenda.

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2010 8:59 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

As I've said, it's very curious that the same people who are so emphatic 
about their legal rights to do this or that and about civility, are so 
opposed to asking permission to use other people's copyrighted material. 
Why is that, I wonder?

Fran

On 5/12/2010 3:43 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:
> I'm confused about this. Why would someone who took a photograph of a
piece of clothing from the 14th century own the copyright for the pattern of
the fabric? Now, I could see contacting the museum or organization that owns
the piece of clothing. But the photographer or author of the book? No way.
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: "annbw...@aol.com"
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:26:46 PM
> Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use
>
> Have to side with Fran on this one.  As a creator of intellectual
property
> that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her  vigilance.
The
> subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action  was "fair use;"
> however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to  reproduce
> the design on a fabric.  Now, if she were weaving it herself  (okay a
stretch,
> I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be  able to
> claim fair use.  But to turn over the design to a commercial  weaver, who
could
> conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else,  well, I
agree
> that isn't fair to the author/artist.  In that case, I would  DEFINITELY
> ask the author/artist for permission.
>
> Ann Wass
>
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread Carol Kocian


On May 12, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:

Tell me one thing. How would be the situation if I asked the museum  
for close up photos of the fabric? I would do the design with help  
of these pictures. The result would be the same. Maybe I will do  
it, I will ask the museum for close up pictures for me to see the  
original.
How on earth can you say which material I used in the end to  
produce the design given to a commercial weaver?
Is there any copyright law regarding reproductions of extant  
garments/textiles?

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 It's not copyright, but there are rights of ownership. If you  
are looking to copy that exact textile, then you should be in touch  
with the museum that owns it. If you are designing something inspired  
by it and other textiles, that's a different matter.


 Those writing books will buy originals or study in a museum,  
with specific permission of how they may use their photographs of  
museum objects.


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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press
Or could it be you just don't like being told you can't legally or 
ethically use other people's copyrighted material in any way you like 
without the simple action of asking their permission?


Fran

On 5/12/2010 4:07 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:

Just send her posts to Trash... This is a recurring thing with her and
not worth my time, so I created a filter just for her...

It's not the "defending copyrights" thing... it's the way she has of
walking on your toes then slapping you in the face, all the time being
self-righteous about it. Really, not worth spending the energy on!

I welcome any and all opinions... as long as they are worded
respectful and considerate manner...

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova
  wrote:

Thanks, Fran.
You wanna see the receipt from Amazon?
Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned 
about copyright? You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money goes 
lost in this business. I am not a part of it.
And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black 
money.

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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press  wrote:


From: Lavolta Press
Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
To: "Historical Costume"
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:35 PM


On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:

Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no

problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just
didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less,
it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so
hard to say who is the original author of the graphic.

It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the

book.

I have many costume books at home and I have no

trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library
too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single
page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book
before I decide to buy it.

Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't

milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example
when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music
copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the
original sheet music.




It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a
copyright holder's work without their permission on the
grounds that it may sell something.  And, if someone
can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have
a right to it.

To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's
"right" to get for free the hard work and investments of
authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators,
translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for
free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher,
explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if
they gave permission and giving them the emails of the
people involved. Which I just did.

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



On 5/12/2010 4:04 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:

Out of curiosity, how much might a copyright holder charge for permission to
do this?



For this kind of subsidiary use the fee is totally up to whoever is 
controlling the rights to that use, ranging from free to whatever they 
want to charge. Or they can refuse permission entirely for any reason 
they like. It's up to them.


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Re: [h-cost] Custom Brocade

2010-05-12 Thread Schaeffer, Astrida
I'd love to know as well-- choices where I am are extremely limited!

Astrida

From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of 
Zuzana Kraemerova [zkraemer...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:26 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Custom Brocade

Hi, I hope I will not forget to remind you:-))
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--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Beteena Paradise  wrote:

> From: Beteena Paradise 
> Subject: [h-cost] Custom Brocade
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:18 AM
> Can you please update the list when
> the new online shop is ready? :)
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Zuzana Kraemerova 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:02:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
>
> Hi Donna,
>
> Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from
> placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for
> a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time
> to your country).
>
> In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who
> is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back
> to work in June.
>
> I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some
> translator (like 
> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=www.sartor.cz&sl=auto&tl=en
> )
> We do have an English version of the webpage, but many
> information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed
> together with a new online shop in July/August).
>
> Zuzana
>
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> www.sartor.cz
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk 
> wrote:
>
> > From: Donna Hawk 
> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue
> 144
> > To: h-cost...@indra.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM
> > Doing my homework, I see that this is
> > a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times
> a
> > year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her
> and
> > you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the
> least,
> > nor get an apology.
> >
> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon
> >
> > So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the
> turnaround
> > time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to
> the
> > Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in
> hearing
> > more about the process involved.
> >
> > Donna Hawk
> > Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out,
> but
> > to see who cares enough to break them down.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> > 
> > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM
> >
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> >1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Becky Rautine)
> >2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >   (Hanna Zickermann)
> >3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Lavolta Press)
> >4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >   (Zuzana Kraemerova)
> >5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Lavolta Press)
> >6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >   (Zuzana Kraemerova)
> >7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Lavolta Press)
> >8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >   (Zuzana Kraemerova)
> >9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Audrey Bergeron-Morin
Just send her posts to Trash... This is a recurring thing with her and
not worth my time, so I created a filter just for her...

It's not the "defending copyrights" thing... it's the way she has of
walking on your toes then slapping you in the face, all the time being
self-righteous about it. Really, not worth spending the energy on!

I welcome any and all opinions... as long as they are worded
respectful and considerate manner...

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova
 wrote:
> Thanks, Fran.
> You wanna see the receipt from Amazon?
> Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned 
> about copyright? You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money 
> goes lost in this business. I am not a part of it.
> And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black 
> money.
>
> ___
> Sartor...custom-made costumes
> www.sartor.cz
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press  wrote:
>
>> From: Lavolta Press 
>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
>> To: "Historical Costume" 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:35 PM
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
>> > Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no
>> problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just
>> didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less,
>> it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so
>> hard to say who is the original author of the graphic.
>> > It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the
>> book.
>> > I have many costume books at home and I have no
>> trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library
>> too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single
>> page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book
>> before I decide to buy it.
>> > Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't
>> milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example
>> when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music
>> copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the
>> original sheet music.
>> >
>>
>> It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a
>> copyright holder's work without their permission on the
>> grounds that it may sell something.  And, if someone
>> can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have
>> a right to it.
>>
>> To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's
>> "right" to get for free the hard work and investments of
>> authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators,
>> translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for
>> free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher,
>> explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if
>> they gave permission and giving them the emails of the
>> people involved. Which I just did.
>>
>> Fran
>> Lavolta Press
>> www.lavoltapress.com
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Sharon Collier
Out of curiosity, how much might a copyright holder charge for permission to
do this? 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Lavolta Press
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:10 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144



On 5/12/2010 2:56 PM, Donna Hawk wrote:

you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an
apology.

Correct. My livelihood depends on copyright law. I never see people
apologizing for stealing. So, with two books to get to the printer, as I
say, I just notify the copyright holders. I've been doing that for some
time. I'm sure that any determined thieves are not actually interested in
details of copyright law or quotes from books on it, they just want to run
me around and support each other's justifications for theft.

Fran

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Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press
As I've said, it's very curious that the same people who are so emphatic 
about their legal rights to do this or that and about civility, are so 
opposed to asking permission to use other people's copyrighted material. 
Why is that, I wonder?


Fran

On 5/12/2010 3:43 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

I'm confused about this. Why would someone who took a photograph of a piece of 
clothing from the 14th century own the copyright for the pattern of the fabric? 
Now, I could see contacting the museum or organization that owns the piece of 
clothing. But the photographer or author of the book? No way.





From: "annbw...@aol.com"
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:26:46 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use

Have to side with Fran on this one.  As a creator of intellectual  property
that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her  vigilance.  The
subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action  was "fair use;"
however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to  reproduce
the design on a fabric.  Now, if she were weaving it herself  (okay a stretch,
I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be  able to
claim fair use.  But to turn over the design to a commercial  weaver, who could
conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else,  well, I agree
that isn't fair to the author/artist.  In that case, I would  DEFINITELY
ask the author/artist for permission.

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Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread Beteena Paradise
I'm confused about this. Why would someone who took a photograph of a piece of 
clothing from the 14th century own the copyright for the pattern of the fabric? 
Now, I could see contacting the museum or organization that owns the piece of 
clothing. But the photographer or author of the book? No way.





From: "annbw...@aol.com" 
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:26:46 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use

Have to side with Fran on this one.  As a creator of intellectual  property 
that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her  vigilance.  The 
subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action  was "fair use;" 
however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to  reproduce 
the design on a fabric.  Now, if she were weaving it herself  (okay a stretch, 
I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be  able to 
claim fair use.  But to turn over the design to a commercial  weaver, who could 
conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else,  well, I agree 
that isn't fair to the author/artist.  In that case, I would  DEFINITELY 
ask the author/artist for permission.

Ann Wass 




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Re: [h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Tell me one thing. How would be the situation if I asked the museum for close 
up photos of the fabric? I would do the design with help of these pictures. The 
result would be the same. Maybe I will do it, I will ask the museum for close 
up pictures for me to see the original.
How on earth can you say which material I used in the end to produce the design 
given to a commercial weaver? 
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--- On Thu, 5/13/10, annbw...@aol.com  wrote:

> From: annbw...@aol.com 
> Subject: [h-cost] Question of fair use
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:26 AM
> Have to side with Fran on this
> one.  As a creator of intellectual  property 
> that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate
> her  vigilance.  The 
> subsequent poster may be correct that the intended
> action  was "fair use;" 
> however, remember that the intent of the original poster is
> to  reproduce 
> the design on a fabric.  Now, if she were weaving it
> herself  (okay a stretch, 
> I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still
> be  able to 
> claim fair use.  But to turn over the design to a
> commercial  weaver, who could 
> conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone
> else,  well, I agree 
> that isn't fair to the author/artist.  In that case, I
> would  DEFINITELY 
> ask the author/artist for permission.
>  
> Ann Wass 
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[h-cost] Question of fair use

2010-05-12 Thread AnnBWass
Have to side with Fran on this one.  As a creator of intellectual  property 
that has been misappropriated myself, I can appreciate her  vigilance.  The 
subsequent poster may be correct that the intended action  was "fair use;" 
however, remember that the intent of the original poster is to  reproduce 
the design on a fabric.  Now, if she were weaving it herself  (okay a stretch, 
I admit, as it is brocade) for her own use, you might still be  able to 
claim fair use.  But to turn over the design to a commercial  weaver, who could 
conceivably use it again to sell the fabric to someone else,  well, I agree 
that isn't fair to the author/artist.  In that case, I would  DEFINITELY 
ask the author/artist for permission.
 
Ann Wass 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [h-cost] Custom Brocade

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Hi, I hope I will not forget to remind you:-))
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--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Beteena Paradise  wrote:

> From: Beteena Paradise 
> Subject: [h-cost] Custom Brocade
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 12:18 AM
> Can you please update the list when
> the new online shop is ready? :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Zuzana Kraemerova 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:02:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from
> placing an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for
> a Czech customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time
> to your country).
> 
> In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who
> is in charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back
> to work in June.
> 
> I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some
> translator (like 
> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=www.sartor.cz&sl=auto&tl=en
> )
> We do have an English version of the webpage, but many
> information is still not translated. We'll have this fixed
> together with a new online shop in July/August).
> 
> Zuzana
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Donna Hawk 
> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue
> 144
> > To: h-cost...@indra.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM
> > Doing my homework, I see that this is
> > a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times
> a
> > year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her
> and
> > you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the
> least,
> > nor get an apology.
> > 
> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon
> > 
> > So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the
> turnaround
> > time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to
> the
> > Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in
> hearing
> > more about the process involved.
> > 
> > Donna Hawk 
> > Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out,
> but
> > to see who cares enough to break them down.
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> > 
> > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM
> > 
> > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >    1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Becky Rautine)
> >    2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >       (Hanna Zickermann)
> >    3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Lavolta Press)
> >    4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >       (Zuzana Kraemerova)
> >    5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Lavolta Press)
> >    6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >       (Zuzana Kraemerova)
> >    7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> > (Lavolta Press)
> >    8. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
> >       (Zuzana Kraemerova)
> >    9. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois
> pourpoint
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[h-cost] Custom Brocade

2010-05-12 Thread Beteena Paradise
Can you please update the list when the new online shop is ready? :)





From: Zuzana Kraemerova 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:02:11 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

Hi Donna,

Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to 
receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have 
to add shipping time to your country).

In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this 
is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June.

I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like 
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=www.sartor.cz&sl=auto&tl=en
 )
We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not 
translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in 
July/August).

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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk  wrote:

> From: Donna Hawk 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM
> Doing my homework, I see that this is
> a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a
> year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and
> you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least,
> nor get an apology.
> 
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon
> 
> So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround
> time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the
> Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing
> more about the process involved.
> 
> Donna Hawk 
> Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but
> to see who cares enough to break them down.
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> 
> wrote:
> 
> From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com
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> Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM
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> (Lavolta Press)
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>       (Zuzana Kraemerova)
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> (Lavolta Press)
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



On 5/12/2010 2:56 PM, Donna Hawk wrote:

you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an 
apology.


Correct. My livelihood depends on copyright law. I never see people 
apologizing for stealing. So, with two books to get to the printer, as I 
say, I just notify the copyright holders. I've been doing that for some 
time. I'm sure that any determined thieves are not actually interested 
in details of copyright law or quotes from books on it, they just want 
to run me around and support each other's justifications for theft.


Fran

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[h-cost] Subject lines, was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Carol Kocian


 A request — please update subject lines when you change the  
subject! With such a varied range of interests, it helps people to  
know which posts they want to read and which ones to skip.


 The fabric on your site is lovely and I'd hate to have people  
miss it.


 Thank you!
 -Carol


On May 12, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:


Hi Donna,

Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing  
an order to receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech  
customer...otherwise you have to add shipping time to your country).


In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in  
charge of this is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June.


I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator  
(like http://translate.google.com/translate? 
js=y&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=www.sartor.cz&sl=auto&tl 
=en )
We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information  
is still not translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new  
online shop in July/August).


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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 145

2010-05-12 Thread Donna Hawk
Thanks Zuzana! I'll have a look when I have some more time. I'm a longtime 
spinner myself with a small amount of weaving experience - all the varied 
permutations of the craft excite me! 

Donna Hawk 
Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares 
enough to break them down.




  
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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press




Personally, this "civility" fight is stupid and both parties are exaggerating!


Gyrations, gyrations.


It is perfectly civil to ask someone if you may copy their work and 
perfect civil to facilitate that, if the copying parties do not do it 
themselves. If people are afraid the copyright holder will refuse they 
should ask themselves why.


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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Hi Donna,

Usually the process of making a brocade takes 4 weeks from placing an order to 
receiving the item (assuming it were for a Czech customer...otherwise you have 
to add shipping time to your country).

In this case, it will take perhaps longer as my sister who is in charge of this 
is currently in Spain and will be back to work in June.

I suggest you take a look at our webpage through some translator (like 
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=cs&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=www.sartor.cz&sl=auto&tl=en
 )
We do have an English version of the webpage, but many information is still not 
translated. We'll have this fixed together with a new online shop in 
July/August).

Zuzana

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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Donna Hawk  wrote:

> From: Donna Hawk 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:56 PM
> Doing my homework, I see that this is
> a recurring theme with Fran that happens several times a
> year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and
> you're not going to change her mind, sway her in the least,
> nor get an apology.
> 
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon
> 
> So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround
> time on a custom brocade of a similar complexity to the
> Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really interested in hearing
> more about the process involved.
> 
> Donna Hawk 
> Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but
> to see who cares enough to break them down.
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> 
> wrote:
> 
> From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com
> 
> Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM
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>    1. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> (Becky Rautine)
>    2. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
>       (Hanna Zickermann)
>    3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> (Lavolta Press)
>    4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
>       (Zuzana Kraemerova)
>    5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> (Lavolta Press)
>    6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
>       (Zuzana Kraemerova)
>    7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> (Lavolta Press)
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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread albertcat



My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent
privately, to be used in private research.

Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know
which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes "Fair
Use," and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy.








Just like going to the public library, getting the book and making Xeroxes of a 
few pages


I know...so old fashion these days, but the same.


Personally, this "civility" fight is stupid and both parties are exaggerating!


C'mon! Play nice!
 
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Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144

2010-05-12 Thread Donna Hawk
Doing my homework, I see that this is a recurring theme with Fran that happens 
several times a year, every year. It's obviously a sore spot for her and you're 
not going to change her mind, sway her in the least, nor get an apology.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curmudgeon

So, Zuzanna, just out of curiosity, what's the turnaround time on a custom 
brocade of a similar complexity to the Charles de Blois pourpoint? I'm really 
interested in hearing more about the process involved.

Donna Hawk 
Sometimes people put up walls, not to keep others out, but to see who cares 
enough to break them down.

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, h-costume-requ...@indra.com  
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From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com 
Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 9, Issue 144
To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 2:50 PM

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   3. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press)
   4. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
      (Zuzana Kraemerova)
   5. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press)
   6. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
      (Zuzana Kraemerova)
   7. Re: textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint (Lavolta Press)
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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press
I'm forseeing the usual endless gyrations justifying piracy and a 
parasitic attitude. I've gotten tired of the justifications for piracy. 
I just report everything that seems questionable to me to the copyright 
holder and let them determine whether they want that use to be made.


Fran

On 5/12/2010 2:18 PM, Rachel Sohn wrote:

My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent
privately, to be used in private research.

Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know
which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes "Fair
Use," and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy.



2010/5/12, Lavolta Press:

Sure, calling people "poisonous" is gentle.

  Look:  If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are
distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with
the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred
and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out
with the person or people distributing their work.

  That's all.

  Fran


  On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote:


Fran,
I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly

strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way
that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL
learn a lot from how she stated things.

  Bambi (To be named later) TBNL


I am made for great things by GOD
and walk with Pride
Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad
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From: "Schaeffer, Astrida"
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM
Subject: [h-cost] civility

Fran,

Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated

conclusions. You do greater harm by them.


Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and

try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because
clearly you have great knowledge.



With regret,

Astrida





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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press
If nothing illegal occurred under German copyright law, no harm done by 
mentioning to the copyright holder.


Fran

On 5/12/2010 2:18 PM, Rachel Sohn wrote:

My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent
privately, to be used in private research.

Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know
which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes "Fair
Use," and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy.



2010/5/12, Lavolta Press:

Sure, calling people "poisonous" is gentle.

  Look:  If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are
distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with
the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred
and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out
with the person or people distributing their work.

  That's all.

  Fran


  On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote:


Fran,
I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly

strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way
that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL
learn a lot from how she stated things.

  Bambi (To be named later) TBNL


I am made for great things by GOD
and walk with Pride
Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad
see me dance
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From: "Schaeffer, Astrida"
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM
Subject: [h-cost] civility

Fran,

Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated

conclusions. You do greater harm by them.


Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and

try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because
clearly you have great knowledge.



With regret,

Astrida





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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Rachel Sohn
My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent
privately, to be used in private research.

Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know
which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes "Fair
Use," and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy.



2010/5/12, Lavolta Press :
> Sure, calling people "poisonous" is gentle.
>
>  Look:  If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are
> distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with
> the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred
> and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out
> with the person or people distributing their work.
>
>  That's all.
>
>  Fran
>
>
>  On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote:
>
> > Fran,
> > I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly
> strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way
> that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL
> learn a lot from how she stated things.
> >  Bambi (To be named later) TBNL
> >
> >
> > I am made for great things by GOD
> > and walk with Pride
> > Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad
> > see me dance
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: "Schaeffer, Astrida"
> > To: Historical Costume
> > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM
> > Subject: [h-cost] civility
> >
> > Fran,
> >
> > Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated
> conclusions. You do greater harm by them.
> >
> > Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and
> try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because
> clearly you have great knowledge.
> >
> >
> > With regret,
> >
> > Astrida
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press

Sure, calling people "poisonous" is gentle.

Look:  If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are 
distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility 
with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft 
occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, 
work things out with the person or people distributing their work.


That's all.

Fran

On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote:

Fran,
I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong 
and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was 
clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from 
how she stated things.
  Bambi (To be named later) TBNL


I am made for great things by GOD
and walk with Pride
Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad
see me dance
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From: "Schaeffer, Astrida"
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM
Subject: [h-cost] civility

Fran,

Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You 
do greater harm by them.

Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to 
read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly 
you have great knowledge.


With regret,

Astrida





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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Bambi TBNL
Fran, 
I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong 
and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was 
clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from 
how she stated things.
 Bambi (To be named later) TBNL 


I am made for great things by GOD
and walk with Pride
Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad
see me dance 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 





From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM
Subject: [h-cost] civility

Fran,

Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You 
do greater harm by them.

Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to 
read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly 
you have great knowledge.  


With regret,

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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press


I also, by the way, do not even remotely feel threatened if people say 
they don't read my posts, or that they won't.  I don't read many posts 
on email lists either.


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Re: [h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



On 5/12/2010 12:51 PM, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote:

Fran,

Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions.


No, actually, as I always do in these circumstances, I very carefully 
asked the person I contacted if copyright permission was given and said 
if not, they might be interested.


 You do greater harm by them.

How can I do harm if permission was given and I just made a mistake?

If theft occurred, theft is not "civil."  If it did not coccur, no harm 
done.


I don't agree with the female reenactor definition of "civility" as 
"doing whatever other people want" and an "uncivil" person as "whoever 
you personally dislike or is not in your clique." If people like me, 
fine. If they don't like me, I sincerely don't care.


Fran


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[h-cost] civility

2010-05-12 Thread Schaeffer, Astrida
Fran,

Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You 
do greater harm by them.

Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to 
read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly 
you have great knowledge.  


With regret,

Astrida


 

 
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



On 5/12/2010 12:46 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:


Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned 
about copyright?


I do, actually.  Publishers look out for each other that way.

 You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money goes lost in 
this business.


Oh yes, I do. I've worked in publishing for over 25 years.


 I am not a part of it.

And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black 
money.


Well, I do what I can. And, other people pirating is no excuse for you 
personally doing it.


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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Thanks, Fran.
You wanna see the receipt from Amazon?
Why don't you go and investigate tons of warez sites if you're so concerned 
about copyright? You have absolutely no idea what enormous amount of money goes 
lost in this business. I am not a part of it.
And I fear you can't do much about it. The whole China is crowded with black 
money. 

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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press  wrote:

> From: Lavolta Press 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:35 PM
> 
> 
> On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
> > Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no
> problems buying the book if that's your concern. I just
> didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the less,
> it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so
> hard to say who is the original author of the graphic.
> > It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the
> book.
> > I have many costume books at home and I have no
> trouble paying for quality, your books are in my library
> too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying one single
> page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book
> before I decide to buy it.
> > Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't
> milions of copies of books and excerpts etc. For example
> when you learn singing, you always get the sheet music
> copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the
> original sheet music.
> > 
> 
> It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a
> copyright holder's work without their permission on the
> grounds that it may sell something.  And, if someone
> can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean they have
> a right to it.
> 
> To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's
> "right" to get for free the hard work and investments of
> authors, publishers, editors, graphic artists, illustrators,
> translators, and all others who want copyrighted work for
> free, I've taken to just emailing the author or publisher,
> explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if
> they gave permission and giving them the emails of the
> people involved. Which I just did.
> 
> Fran
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press



On 5/12/2010 12:29 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:

Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if 
that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the 
less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who 
is the original author of the graphic.
It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book.
I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, 
your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying 
one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I 
decide to buy it.
Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of 
books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the 
sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the 
original sheet music.



It is not someone else's prerogative to give away a copyright holder's 
work without their permission on the grounds that it may sell something. 
 And, if someone can't afford a book or excerpt, that does not mean 
they have a right to it.


To cut short the usual circular defenses of the world's "right" to get 
for free the hard work and investments of authors, publishers, editors, 
graphic artists, illustrators, translators, and all others who want 
copyrighted work for free, I've taken to just emailing the author or 
publisher, explaining their work is being offered for free, asking if 
they gave permission and giving them the emails of the people involved. 
Which I just did.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Fran, I think you're a bit exaggerating. I have no problems buying the book if 
that's your concern. I just didn't know in which book the pattern is. None the 
less, it's in more books I guess (I heard in some Ospreys)...so hard to say who 
is the original author of the graphic. 
It is more than probable that I soon go and buy the book. 
I have many costume books at home and I have no trouble paying for quality, 
your books are in my library too. I don't know what's the big deal in copying 
one single page. I often want to see a couple of pages of the book before I 
decide to buy it. 
Many students wouldn't be able to study if they hadn't milions of copies of 
books and excerpts etc. For example when you learn singing, you always get the 
sheet music copied. Only when you sing on a concert, you have to own the 
original sheet music.  
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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lavolta Press  wrote:

> From: Lavolta Press 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 9:21 PM
> But is pirating the author's material
> exactly what he needed?  Was his 
> permission gained before giving you material of his that
> you did not 
> want to pay for?
> 
> Fran
> 
> On 5/12/2010 12:17 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
> > Thank you so much!
> > That is exactly what I needed.
> > Really a beautiful pattern... I have to check this
> book out. I don't like books with modern drawing as they are
> often wrong, they have no sources, etc. but as I see there
> are meany good things to find there.
> >
> > I'll let you all know when the fabric is made.
> > If you ever needed any brocade/damask with your own
> pattern, it is no problem to contact us (minimum order:
> 15-30meters, $25/meter, $150-200 pattern making fee).
> > ___
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> > www.sartor.cz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hanna Zickermann
> >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles
> de Blois pourpoint
> >> To: "Historical Costume"
> >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:32 PM
> >> It was my first book on Medieval
> >> clothing, and I
> >> still like it a lot after seven years, so I think
> >> it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you
> privately.
> >>
> >> Hanna
> >>
> >> At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> >>> Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it
> worth
> >> buying?)
> >>> ___
> >>> Sartor...custom-made costumes
> >>> www.sartor.cz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  From: Hanna Zickermann
>  Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of
> Charles
> >> de Blois pourpoint
>  To: "Historical Costume"
>  Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
>  There´s a sketch of the pattern in
>  "Kleidung und
>  Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei
> Ulrich
>  Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page
> for
> >> you?
> 
>  Regards,
>  Hanna
> 
> 
>  At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I want to make a reproduction fabric
> of the
> > Charles de Blois pourpoint. The
> problem is
> >> that
> > I cannot find any detailed picture
> that
> >> would
> > clearly show the pattern. The best I
> found so
> >> far is:
> > http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> > Does anybody have a better picture?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Zuzana
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> > www.sartor.cz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press
But is pirating the author's material exactly what he needed?  Was his 
permission gained before giving you material of his that you did not 
want to pay for?


Fran

On 5/12/2010 12:17 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:

Thank you so much!
That is exactly what I needed.
Really a beautiful pattern... I have to check this book out. I don't like books 
with modern drawing as they are often wrong, they have no sources, etc. but as 
I see there are meany good things to find there.

I'll let you all know when the fabric is made.
If you ever needed any brocade/damask with your own pattern, it is no problem 
to contact us (minimum order: 15-30meters, $25/meter, $150-200 pattern making 
fee).
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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann  wrote:


From: Hanna Zickermann
Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
To: "Historical Costume"
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:32 PM
It was my first book on Medieval
clothing, and I
still like it a lot after seven years, so I think
it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately.

Hanna

At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:

Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth

buying?)

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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann

wrote:



From: Hanna Zickermann
Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles

de Blois pourpoint

To: "Historical Costume"
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
There´s a sketch of the pattern in
"Kleidung und
Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich
Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for

you?


Regards,
Hanna


At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:

Hi all,

I want to make a reproduction fabric of the
Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is

that

I cannot find any detailed picture that

would

clearly show the pattern. The best I found so

far is:

http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
Does anybody have a better picture?

Thanks,

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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Thank you so much!
That is exactly what I needed.
Really a beautiful pattern... I have to check this book out. I don't like books 
with modern drawing as they are often wrong, they have no sources, etc. but as 
I see there are meany good things to find there.

I'll let you all know when the fabric is made. 
If you ever needed any brocade/damask with your own pattern, it is no problem 
to contact us (minimum order: 15-30meters, $25/meter, $150-200 pattern making 
fee).
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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann  wrote:

> From: Hanna Zickermann 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:32 PM
> It was my first book on Medieval
> clothing, and I 
> still like it a lot after seven years, so I think 
> it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately.
> 
> Hanna
> 
> At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> >Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth
> buying?)
> >___
> >Sartor...custom-made costumes
> >www.sartor.cz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann 
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Hanna Zickermann 
> > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles
> de Blois pourpoint
> > > To: "Historical Costume" 
> > > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
> > > There´s a sketch of the pattern in
> > > "Kleidung und
> > > Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich
> > > Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for
> you?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Hanna
> > >
> > >
> > > At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> > > >Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >I want to make a reproduction fabric of the
> > > >Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is
> that
> > > >I cannot find any detailed picture that
> would
> > > >clearly show the pattern. The best I found so
> far is:
> > > >http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> > > >Does anybody have a better picture?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >Zuzana
> > > >___
> > > >Sartor...custom-made costumes
> > > >www.sartor.cz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Lavolta Press

Once again, piracy and a parasitic attitude triumph!

Fran

On 5/12/2010 11:32 AM, Hanna Zickermann wrote:

It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I still like it a lot
after seven years, so I think it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you
privately.

Hanna

At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:

Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?)
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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann  wrote:

> From: Hanna Zickermann 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
> There´s a sketch of the pattern in
> "Kleidung und
> Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich
> Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you?
>
> Regards,
> Hanna
>
>
> At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I want to make a reproduction fabric of the
> >Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that
> >I cannot find any detailed picture that would
> >clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is:
> >http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> >Does anybody have a better picture?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Zuzana
> >___
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> >www.sartor.cz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Hanna Zickermann
It was my first book on Medieval clothing, and I 
still like it a lot after seven years, so I think 
it was a good buy. I sent the scan to you privately.


Hanna

At 19:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:

Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?)
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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann  wrote:

> From: Hanna Zickermann 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
> There´s a sketch of the pattern in
> "Kleidung und
> Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich
> Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you?
>
> Regards,
> Hanna
>
>
> At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I want to make a reproduction fabric of the
> >Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that
> >I cannot find any detailed picture that would
> >clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is:
> >http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> >Does anybody have a better picture?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Zuzana
> >___
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Becky Rautine

It looks like 4 arch angel images inside a twining angular vine. I've seen one 
that is similar on ebay. I can't remember the name of the seller but they have 
a business on there for celtic/renaissance fabrics.

Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine



> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:36:14 -0700
> From: zkraemer...@yahoo.com
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> 
> Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?)
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann  wrote:
> 
> > From: Hanna Zickermann 
> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> > To: "Historical Costume" 
> > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
> > There´s a sketch of the pattern in
> > "Kleidung und 
> > Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich 
> > Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Hanna
> > 
> > 
> > At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >I want to make a reproduction fabric of the 
> > >Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that 
> > >I cannot find any detailed picture that would 
> > >clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is:
> > >http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> > >Does anybody have a better picture?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Zuzana
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Yes please! I don't have the book:-) (Is it worth buying?)
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--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Hanna Zickermann  wrote:

> From: Hanna Zickermann 
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint
> To: "Historical Costume" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:57 PM
> There´s a sketch of the pattern in
> "Kleidung und 
> Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich 
> Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you?
> 
> Regards,
> Hanna
> 
> 
> At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I want to make a reproduction fabric of the 
> >Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that 
> >I cannot find any detailed picture that would 
> >clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is:
> >http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> >Does anybody have a better picture?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Genie Barrett
I have a couple pics. I sent them to you privately since they are in my
computer and not on line.

Genie

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The
> problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show
> the pattern. The best I found so far is:
> http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
> Does anybody have a better picture?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Laurie Taylor
Hi,

I can't help you with your quest, but just wanted to thank you for that
link!  I've never seen a photo of that pourpoint in color before, nor
displayed on a form.  I had no idea what good condition it appears to be in
or even that it would be such a lovely color.  Wow.


Laurie Taylor
www.costumeraz.blogspot.com

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:37 AM
To: h-costume
Subject: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

Hi all,

I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The
problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show
the pattern. The best I found so far is:
http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
Does anybody have a better picture? 

Thanks,

Zuzana
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Re: [h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Hanna Zickermann
There´s a sketch of the pattern in "Kleidung und 
Waffen der Spätgotik 1320-1370" bei Ulrich 
Lehnart. Do you want me to scan the page for you?


Regards,
Hanna


At 18:36 12.05.2010, you wrote:

Hi all,

I want to make a reproduction fabric of the 
Charles de Blois pourpoint. The problem is that 
I cannot find any detailed picture that would 
clearly show the pattern. The best I found so far is:

http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
Does anybody have a better picture?

Thanks,

Zuzana
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[h-cost] textile pattern of Charles de Blois pourpoint

2010-05-12 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Hi all,

I want to make a reproduction fabric of the Charles de Blois pourpoint. The 
problem is that I cannot find any detailed picture that would clearly show the 
pattern. The best I found so far is:
http://www.musee-des-tissus.com/en/02_02/col06/tis07/ima_2.gif
Does anybody have a better picture? 

Thanks,

Zuzana
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