[h-cost] question on corset patterns
I am planning on making a bodice and dress from Truly Victorian's line (TV490 Ball Gown Bodice TV298 Umbrella Skirt, both from 1892). But, of course before that, I need a corset! I went to GBACG Pattern Review, and found nothing on TV's corset, but lots of great reviews on Laughing Moon's Dore corset. My usual era is Elizabethan, so if I wear a corset, it is of a very different construction. I would consider myself an intermediate sewer. Question: Do you prefer TV or LM corset, especially for a first-time Victorian sewer? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] suggestions/help to recreate the Luthers
It looks like the frazzled frau website is images only - no articles or dress diaries that I can find. Are there any other resources online that would at least give me the different layers/pieces to the von Bora dress? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] suggestions/help to recreate the Luthers On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Rebecca Schmitt lotsofteap...@charter.net wrote: snip I have the Tudor Tailor, and am hoping I can use/modify patterns in there to create these outfits. I would love ideas or suggestions on how to do so. Here's what I am thinking so far... Martin Luther: is always shown in a gown. I am thinking of making the jerkin with a high front and sleeves. Question: is the length correct (approx knee length), or should I make it longer (mid-calf to ankle)? And where can I find a pattern for the hat he is wearing? The Tudor Tailor actually has patterns for a loose gown/robe, they are essentially unisex in basic construction but accessories and trimming styles can make them more or less masculine/feminine. Katherina Von Bora: Especially in the second link above, there seems to be a lot going on. snip For research on 16th century German women's garb the Frazzled Frau website may be useful http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/ if you want a pattern the Mary of Hungary gown is a good starting place. Alternatively if you want a commercial pattern I've heard positive reviews of the Reconstructing History 'Cranach Gown' pattern http://reconstructinghistory.com/rh501-saxon-cranach-gown.php? s=c=22d=190e=33q=4p=57w=21 Hope that helps, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth Walpole http://magpiecostumer.wordpress.com/ http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3092 - Release Date: 08/25/10 13:34:00 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] need source for child's over-the-knee socks
My 4-year-old son accompanies us at the Bristol Faire, and this year I need to find him plain, non-cable-knit, solid color socks which will go up over his knees. Does anyone have a source for such a thing? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Spanish infanta Isabella Clara in walker was (nosubject)
This is incredible! Thank you all so much! My baby will not be to walker stage yet, but some of the walkers shown, without wheels and with a little seat/sling will give me someplace safe to put her during the day when I don't want her rolling off :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Franchesca Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:09 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish infanta Isabella Clara in walker was (nosubject) Perhaps this site may help? http://www.oldandinteresting.com/baby-walkers-history.aspx Franchesca -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of yo...@shaw.ca Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:21 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Re:exersaucer I have a picture in my computer that I dont know where off the web I got it of a spanish infanta I labeled it isabella clara and I am not sure if the younger child is considered to be her sister katerina or brother who I think is philip. the child is in what apears to be a walker. As soon as I am not sleep deprived and fried from a grueling 18 hour day tv pilot shoot I will track it down or at least post this one online so someone esle can Yolanda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] looking for a picture
Somewhere in the past I remember seeing a drawing/picture from the 16th century which showed in the background a period example of an exersaucer for an infant. Does anyone know what I am talking about, or what the picture might be? My foggy memory has it as some sort of sketch/woodcut style, but that could be very off. I now have a 4 month old, and having that picture would be helpful in trying to recreate such a monster for her :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for a picture
Not the one in my head, but cool nonetheless! (and we thought we came up with all of this cool stuff for our kids in *this* century - ha!) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Guenievre de Monmarche Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for a picture It's 15th century, not 16th, but there's a baby walker type object in the hours of Catherine of Cleves http://www.themorgan.org/collections/works/cleves/manuscript.a sp?page=69 Not sure that's the one you were looking for, but... Jennifer / Guenièvre On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Rebecca Schmitt lotsofteap...@charter.netwrote: Somewhere in the past I remember seeing a drawing/picture from the 16th century which showed in the background a period example of an exersaucer for an infant. Does anyone know what I am talking about, or what the picture might be? My foggy memory has it as some sort of sketch/woodcut style, but that could be very off. I now have a 4 month old, and having that picture would be helpful in trying to recreate such a monster for her :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC28 programming
Will there be a schedule of classes posted prior to the Con? I ask because I can't make the whole weekend (need to plan babysitting), and want to plan my time wisely, rather than play program roulette and possibly miss something I REALLY want to see, only to be there at a time where there are no classes of interest to me (thus wasting precious babysitting time). Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:22 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC28 I'll be there. (I don't have an 'H' -- what sort of font is it?) I'm struggling with some annoying weight gain, so I won't be wearing anything special. Ethnic one day, historic another, probably doing a generic '60s thing (not formal) for the Friday social. Mostly I'll be there to catch some classes and admire everyone else's costumes. :-) Suzanne On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-requ...@indra.com wrote: Anyone else from the list going to be at CC28 in Milwaukee next month? Do we want to put H's on our badges or stage a meet-up? --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Amazing textile in today's New York Times
That is absolutely incredible!!! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:01 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Amazing textile in today's New York Times Fascinating article, stunning photos: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/arts/design/23spiders.html? pagewanted=1themc=th --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Madison to Milwaukee
Also living in Madison, and trekking to the Bristol Renn Fair in Kenosha every weekend, Mad City to Milw is approx 1 1/2 hour drive, depending on construction :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marjorie Wilser Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:27 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laser scissors Hi Henry, How far, in hours, is Milwaukee from Madison? I'm thinking of staying there dragging my bff with me for CC28. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:39 AM, cc2010m...@cs.com wrote: I have information on these, because I have a pair! There is a website called Think Geek that has them. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/ tools/a823/ I had to have a pair because I am also the President of the Armed Costumers Guild, and I could not resist scissors with a laser sight! They are from a company called Shesto Ltd, in the UK, and their site is www.modelcraftcollection.com. The laser line is bright and easy to see and the batteries are easy to change. And the blades are not dull. Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is this called?
Penny, I buy a pad of large easel paper from Office Max which has a 1 grid on it. It works great for me! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:21 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is this called? Many thanks to everyone for the advice. I didn't need the big roll. I could purchase by the foot at http://sewtrue.com/Store/60-Dotted-Marking-Paper-Per-Foot-P607.html . Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] current clothing exhibition at the Chicago History Museum
Thought this might be of interest to some - I'm trying to figure out how to get there and see it! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * http://www.threadsmagazine.com/item/7237/exhibition-chic-chicago-at-the-chic ago-history-museum http://www.threadsmagazine.com/item/7237/exhi http://www.threadsmagazine.com/item/7237/exhi lotsofteap...@charter.net sent this using ShareThis http://sharethis.com . _ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] quiet list
I am frantically trying to finish garb for my very-fast-growing 3 1/2 year old for a faire this weekend. However, the weather forecast keeps changing! I have all but the sleeve rings on the wool suit, and some hand-finishing on the other outfit; and buttons and loops on the shirts. Still need to make a new biggens or two. And bake bread; and cut apples to dry; and boil eggs; and pick herbs... Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Thanks for the explanation! I'm curious now too, were you only going to line the bodice, or the whole skirt as well? I just imagine that lining the skirt with wool would be incredibly heavy, no matter how light the wool is to start with. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress I chose to line with wool for two reasons. reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i figured i'd go with that. This gown bodice will have three pieces: one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather complex lining process, involving extending the bodice pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool in the past. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt lotsofteap...@charter.net wrote: I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as use wool for the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are lined with linen. I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the outside a mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the front quite a bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the shoulder straps. It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my 3-year-old is much more important! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, this time I am making a Gored Kirtle (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an overdress (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, because I was mostly doing summer events. However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of wool, with wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, at least for non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on the bodice, or will the just the wool be ok? I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the front edges, from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top of is a fashion fabric and a lining, both of sturdy linen, but not heavyweight. I wear size 16/18 and am about a B cup (about 5'4 and 180 pounds) if that influances your advise. Thanks for all help. jordana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as use wool for the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are lined with linen. I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the outside a mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the front quite a bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the shoulder straps. It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my 3-year-old is much more important! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, this time I am making a Gored Kirtle (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an overdress (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, because I was mostly doing summer events. However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of wool, with wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, at least for non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on the bodice, or will the just the wool be ok? I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the front edges, from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top of is a fashion fabric and a lining, both of sturdy linen, but not heavyweight. I wear size 16/18 and am about a B cup (about 5'4 and 180 pounds) if that influances your advise. Thanks for all help. jordana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Thanks, I can certainly see the usefulness of that construction! My outfits are almost exclusively for high summer, where linen is a good thing - not only from a heat standpoint, but also just a weight issue. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress You didn't ask me, but since mine is also wool lined with wool, I'll send my answer too. I had two great pieces of wool, and I wanted it to be warm and reversible. I only wear it to cold-weather events with the woolen partlet on top and woolen sleeves pinned on. With my head covered and a pair of gloves (or my hands tucked into the overskirt), I'm toasty for long periods down to around 40 degrees F. Melanie Schuessler On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as use wool for the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are lined with linen. I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the outside a mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the front quite a bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the shoulder straps. It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my 3-year-old is much more important! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] help needed to find a notion
I am making Vogue 7488, view C, which is a men's formal vest to wear with a tux. The notions list one cummerbund assembly (two sliders and one buckle). Can anyone tell me what those might be, and where I could find them? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] help needed to find a notion
That's it! Thankyouthankyouthankyou. I couldn't figure out how to search to find what I wanted! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sheridan Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:59 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] help needed to find a notion You would be looking for these: http://www.bblackandsons.com/store/media/product-images/tuxedo /TX-06.jpg basically a simple buckle and a slider to allow you to adjust the back of the cummerbund to fit. Hope that helps! Sheridan P From: Rebecca Schmitt lotsofteap...@charter.net Reply-To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] help needed to find a notion Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:44:52 -0600 I am making Vogue 7488, view C, which is a men's formal vest to wear with a tux. The notions list one cummerbund assembly (two sliders and one buckle). Can anyone tell me what those might be, and where I could find them? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] some more questions about 1930's formal wear
Vest: The tux did not come with a vest, so I'll have to come up with that separately. Since I'm not sure that I would be able to match the black wool, were vests made of other fabrics? Maybe silk or satin? Does it have to be black, or were other colors used? If another color, would the tie need to match, or would it stay black? There are two kinds depending upon your tux style: low-cut front/backless with a strap that runs around the waist. Usually linen and heavily starched, oft worn with a bib (you seen those things that curl up on old comedies?); or a more common style waistcoat with a few pockets, fake lapels and so forth. Waistcoats may be optional depending on how modern in thought your man is (was?) and the lapel cut of your jacket -- the old fogies can stand back with thier cigars and sniff at the modern non-vest wearers. Cumberbuns are an easy option. So, the vest was made of linen? Would satin or silk be acceptable? Can I make a vest in some other color than black? If so, does the tie need to match? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] some more questions about 1930's formal wear
Close enough for the purpose. And now he has a tux! :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of debloughcostu...@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:23 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] some more questions about 1930's formal wear But you do know that a modern tuxedo, even tweaked, wouldn't equate to 30s evening dress, right? It's dinner dress (hence it still being known as a dinner ajcket here). For evening dress in the 30s you're talking tails. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] some more questions about 1930's formal wear
So, I have a few more questions about 1930's formalwear, mostly for men: I have a tux coming for my hubby, and I will take in the jacket at the waist to get the right silhouette. However... Shirt: From what I can tell, white cotton, preferrably pique. Did they use studs in the shirt? Do the studs need to match the cufflinks? Vest: The tux did not come with a vest, so I'll have to come up with that separately. Since I'm not sure that I would be able to match the black wool, were vests made of other fabrics? Maybe silk or satin? Does it have to be black, or were other colors used? If another color, would the tie need to match, or would it stay black? Shoes: I assume black patent leather lace-ups would work. I've also seen some reference to spectator shoes or brogues. How common were they, and would they be appropriate for formalwear? Also, women's shoes: what would be appropriate? Basic pumps? Strappy sandals? Something in-between? My gown will be sapphire blue with champagne accents; would ivory shoes work OK? Thanks for answering all my questions - I just don't have the time I want to devote to research (houses and husbands and children, oh my!), and the event is at the beginning of February. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] evening gown circa 1934
This is just for an evening ball, including any and all eras. I happen to have a Vintage Vogue pattern and thought it would be fun to make it! So, I was more curious than anything about colors. I chose a sapphire blue (crepe on one side, satin on the other - I haven't decided which side I'll use yet) with a champagne shantung contrast. Hopefully the ivory pumps I have will work OK; I'm not sure what I would use otherwise! I'll try to post pictures, but I don't really have a good place to post them right nowmaybe someday :) Thanks all for the help! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:00 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] evening gown circa 1934 Absolutely everything just as the writer below says. I tend to think of it more as an ice cream colors era. Big florals were in fashion as a summer thing in a few years. It would help if you'd give us more context next time. Hollywood startlet is likely more sparkly than the recent widow at a small social among close friends. Summer fashion differs from winter. Look at vintage magazines (Life) or vintage pattern pictures (www.oldpatterns.com big 4 pattern companies) for some ideas. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com There are extant examples and designs in just about every colour you can imagine - pinks, greys, greens, black (a perenniel favourite!), blues, greens, whites and ivories - there are even a couple in gold or silver lame, or prints. Particular faves of mine are a gold lame overlaid with black lace which in turn is appliqued with black velvet (by schiaparelli), and a pale pink loosely pleated silk jersey number (by alix gres), a Cadbury's purple satin by Lanvin, a Chanel in blue sequinned tulle, and one in leopard print by a designer I don't remember the name of (but it's in the va, like several of my favourites). I know there are a few, but the 30s is one of my all time favourite periods! . And when I was little my Nana had a stunning pale green satin evening dress, with light silver and pink beading, that she made as part of her training course in the mid 30s. I'm not aware that any colours in particular are massively inappropriate, although obviously there would have been certain colours that were more fashionable than others, as with any date. Debbie What colors would be appropriate for an evening gown circa 1934? What colors would be totally INappropriate? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fabrics up for sale on ebay
In case anyone is interested, I have listed a few fabrics on ebay which I purchased at an estate auction. They were parts of lots and I do not need them. However, they do look vintage, are all of natural fibers (linen or cotton by burn test), and I thought there may be someone here who might like them! You can look up my auctions by lotsofpots21 or email me for the auction numbers. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] color question
What colors would be appropriate for an evening gown circa 1934? What colors would be totally INappropriate? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's
Thanks for all these details! Any suggestions on a good pattern to start with? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's Jeeze, you are in luck, things have not changed that much for us blokes, especially for evening and formal wear. You can use almost any really good suit/dinner suit pattern, perhaps use a shawl lapel (the long, curved ones) in satin. White jacket for summer wear, black for cooler months. One or two button fronts, no more than four buttons on the cuff. For a more military look, you may with to try a mess jacket, a formal waist- length jacket which is now mostly worn by snooty waiters and Scotsmen in kilts (oh, and me). Don't scrimp on your structuring. Use good thickness of padding with horsehair in the structure and strong shoulder inserts. A cumberbund can add a lot to the look. Trouser waists were much higher, sitting on the acutal waist, so you will have to adjust for that, loose fit over the hips with at least two pleats (three will sit better). Belt and matching braces (button-on, not clip-on, work better). If you are adding a bow tie, get the real thing and practise tying it rather than a clip-fastening type as have come into fashion. The real thing sits much better. For tips on the overall silhouette, you can't go past old movies, easily accessable, made at the time, -C. I have one ov Vogue's vintage patterns for a 1938 (? or so) evening gown, which I am planning to make for an event in February. My husband would like to match me, but I'm not so familiar with men's clothing during this time This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's
The event is Reenactorfest, and they have a fancy dress dance/ball on Saturday evening. The eras range from Roman Centurions to Vietnam with everything else in between. I thought the 1930's evening gown would be fun, and my hubby wants to make a matching couple. Would renting a modern tux be the best option? Any other suggestions are quite welcome!!! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's Evening clothes haven't changed too much really. I mean is it black tie or white tie? Rent some evening wear. Lapels are wide, waists nipped (and at their real level), and pants are pleated, wide legged and cuffed. Is it a dinner? Dinner jackets have shawl collars, and I believe they can be white but there are rules for these kind of things, like a white dinner jacket may only be right for summer or warm climates. I'm not sure. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x12008 12037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's
Actually, I think that would make *me* the moll :) He'd just be a gangster/mobster. Certainly an option. I'll have to ask him which way he would like to go... Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's In a message dated 11/17/2008 5:03:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that would be moll. Rhymes with doll? *** Isn't that what I typed? Oops... **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x12008 12037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Men's clothing from 1930's
Hey all! I'm looking for some resources I have one ov Vogue's vintage patterns for a 1938 (? or so) evening gown, which I am planning to make for an event in February. My husband would like to match me, but I'm not so familiar with men's clothing during this time period in general, nor am I knowledgeable about where to get patterns, etc. I figure his is going to be the harder of the two (I made the gown before, but lost too much weight, so now I need to remake). Any thoughts about where to look for patterns for men's suits in the 1930's? Thanks! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J A Urbik Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Sharp's Rifes Costumes Hey, a friend of mine wants a copy of some of the coats from sharps rifels, the dvd series. I have not watched the, but I do have them on order from the library, so I will be watching them very soon. However, preparatory to watching, I figured that I would look at what costumers said about this era/this series as I have never done any costuming this modern.Does anyone have a absolute fav pattern or web site for this era? Oh, I will mostly making stuff for a woman, but she wants the men's clothing, so i don't really care about the female side of the costumes. thanks for any help or pointers that people on this list send, jordana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes
I think that she is just wearing a loose kirtle and gown, like what is in Janet Arnold. I have a picture of me while 7-8 months pregnant in a loose kirtle overgown based on that pattern (actually a Margo Anderson pattern based on the Janet Arnold...), and I think it's a pretty similar silhouette. I don't have a place to post the photo online, but I can send it to you, if you would like to compare. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century maternity clothes At least, for a noble lady. This is Mildred, Lady Burghley about 1566. http://foto.rambler.ru/public/grebnelim/7/003/003-webbig.jpg Now the question is, what is the 'bodice bit, really? It always looks like elastic to me, which of course it isn't. Is it part of a kirtle of some kind? Does anyone know more about htis painting or this garment? No, I'm not pregnant. Just idle curiosity. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corsetry issues (was Looking for bad examples)
We have a member of our guilde at Bristol who has cardiac issues and is unable to wear anything too binding. Even a well-fitted corset would cause problems for her. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT - Halloween help needed - toddler/preschool football helmet
I'm starting to run out of ideas, so I'm asking here My 3-year-old wants to be a football guy for Halloween. We have a jersey, I can rig up pants no problem. However, I'm stumped on the helmet. No one seems to make toddler size play football helmets! The closest I can come up with is a $45 complete football uniform which includes the helmet from the NFL shop online. Does anyone have any ideas? Somewhere else to look? (I've tried sports stores, athletic apparel, only the full sets, if anything, especially for this age). Some way to rig something up? Although, once it is made, it may need to take a beating during Sunday afternoon football games :) Thanks! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What to see in the UK
I'd highly recommend the National Portrait Gallery. And the VA, of course! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:09 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] What to see in the UK Hello everyone, I'm in the early planning stages of a Holliday to the UK about this time next year and I'm trying to work out what I should visit, I'm spending a week in London with friends and after that point I'm planning to spend another 2 or 3 weeks around the UK Ireland. the London part of my trip is fairly firmly planned but for the rest of the UK Ireland I've only got Bath, Stratford on Avon, Warwick Castle, and Hampton Court definitely on my list so far, so what else would you suggest for a costumer and Tudor history nut? Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
Ya know, I think this is the best answer yet! Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * My patience, -C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween
How about a real old western? Destry Rides Again with Marlene Dietrch Jimmy Stewart. (yeah, I know, Jimmy Stewart does not bring to mind western, now does he?) This outfit definitely reminds me of one of her outfits in that movie :) http://www.marlene.com/films.html Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Getting ready for Halloween Well, this is sort of OT, but not quite. We're invited to a Halloween party, where the theme is movie characters, and the sub-theme is something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. I'm severly out of time to do this, so I was looking at the Big4 patterns. I really like this one (the short version, top left) http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=2851 Can anyone direct me to a movie containing an outfit that looks like this? (Hey, if it's a Western, it's at least historicaloid!) We have a few other nice ideas if this one doesn't work out... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon 27 website
Just a quick suggestion - could you put the dates and city prominently on the home page? I had to finally go to the flyer to find out it was in Baltimore. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Mitchell Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:37 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon 27 Cin wrote: Gentle costumers, Is there a chat list for the upcoming CC27 like there was for CC26? I went over to their webpage and it was nearly a blank slate. There's almost no info except for non-costume things like a quilt competition. Oh, sure lots of headers but all follow-on pages are blank. So, either I'm on the wrong site or there's no info out. Where's one to go for class panel info? Where's one to go for hotel info? Where are the future fashion folio designs? check again - it is all there (just unfortunately hard to read). All the masquerade info is under Events. I know all the Historic stuff is up, because I'm the director and I put it there long ago. Textile Arts has the info about the quilt contest, the Future Fashion Folio info is up (and ends Oct 1!), both the Historic and SF/F masqerades are under Stage, and the Single Pattern Contest is a link on the main Events page as well as by a yellow sticker on the main page. As to hotel info, see that annoying red blinking line about the free wifi parking? it says hotel just above that. And Registration info is under How to Join near the bottom on the left. And apparently the programming folks have made up a questionaire asking for ideas of what you want to see that has a link under programming - beside another yellow sticker. They'd love to know what people are interested in going to. yeah, I agree, it's not the greatest design in the world, and the background keeps breaking off any time the webmaster tries to make a change... but much of the basic early info is there. Actual forms will be posted as soon as the forms guy sends them to the webmaster sigh. Make sure you're going to the right page: http://www.costume-con.com/cc27/INDEX.HTM Oh, and I have been slowly posting bits of info as it comes out on the costumecon LiveJournal community. You can find stage dimensions in a post earlier this year over there. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon 27 website
Ayes, one of those. I understand, and will (in my spare time! Ha!) try to send an email to the webmaster to try to convince him that making the website more user-friendly will make attendance much higher! :) Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Mitchell Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon 27 website Rebecca Schmitt wrote: Just a quick suggestion - could you put the dates and city prominently on the home page? I had to finally go to the flyer to find out it was in Baltimore. I can pass on the request - I'm only the Historic Masquerade Director, so I have no effect on the website. Actually, the date is on there in the red line in the lower center, but I agree it's hard to find (like a lot of things). Hey, Im trying to get him to turn the annoying blink off! People can always contact the webmaster, he might listen to people other than the 'routine nag' (not trying to pass the buck, but you know how people are when they only get feedback from one nagging source ;-) ). all the contact addresses may be found on http://www.costume-con.com/cc27/contact_us.htm . His rationale on not listing the location is that if you want to go, you'll go regardless of where it is rolled eyes, and when you check out the hotel it tells you there what city sigh. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] help please! need of 16th century shirts
Can anyone help? I have someone in need of 16th century woman's high-necked smock who does not sew well. I probably do not have time to make one for her. In a quick scan online, I wasn't happy with what I was seeing. Does anyone know of a reputable source with good historic shirts at a reasonable price? Thanks! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding image
That's it!!! Thank you!!! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image Rebecca Schmitt wrote: women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like countrywoman. If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens) This one? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-SGAPxUqpJAunP1FuPfR6g Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question
Well, not that I'm trained either...but if you zoom in the two guys kneeling have crowns by their feet, indicating their royalty I assume, which would point to Magi/Kings. Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. Also, I don't know when it started, but one of the Magi very often is dressed like a far eastern/persian (vs. two that look more European), which may by the one with the blue wrap around his head. They are also all carrying small vials/gifts, which would again be Magi. Also, Jesus is an infant, and the Magdalene doesn't show up in the Biblical account until He is well into His ministry (after age 30). So, that's my two cents. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question We've been looking at this painting http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg Billed as Adoration of the Magi by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halo's). To my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take the painting title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question
How do you determine that the person holding the sword and crown is a woman? My scan of the crowd seems to show all men, and holding a sword would definitely be a man's job. The gown worn is pretty much the same as the black man in pink directly to his right. And as mentioned before, the man in yellow sitting in the corner is definitely Joseph. For one, he has no brocaded trim on his gown. Not sure if yellow is significant (probably!) And I still think the red-gowned person is the third Magi, as 1) that is where the crown is and 2) this person is holding one of the three gifts. Yellow gowned Joseph is not. Where is Robin to tell us all how far off we are??? :-) *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] saint/iconography question Ah - the third crown is behind the back of the standing guy. Yes, held by a woman (?) who is also holding a sword. My guess is that the Magi are the three bearded men with halos. The one with the blue headwrap seems to be wearing a high-waisted gown and seems to have breasts. No cloak like the three (definite) men are wearing. Notice also the woman holding the sword and crown also has blue gloves, as does the guy with the pointy beard and blue turban wrap. At first I thought Magi in green held a sword, but it looks more like the lining of his cloak. Interesting painting! -Carol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] saint/iconography question We've been looking at this painting http://www.wga.hu/art/l/lorenzo/monaco/ador_mag.jpg Billed as Adoration of the Magi by Lorenzo Monaco ca. 1422 Are those really the Magi? (The folks with the halos). To my *very* untrained eye, they remind me more of saints than Magi. The individual in the peach/orange with the blue head-wrap reminds me more of The Magdalene rather than one of the Magi. I'm not that good with early 15th c. art or saints iconography -- and I know that there are folks on this list that are more knowledgeable than I. Half my brain tells me that I should just take the painting title at face value and go with it, but those 3 individuals aren't like any other representations of Magi that I've seen. Thanks! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture date
April 5, huh? Hmnothing on the calendar at the moment...time to wheedle the hubby about watching the toddler for the day... :) *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming lecture date For those who may be interested: I'll be doing a full day of lectures in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on Saturday, April 5. The lecture day is sponsored by the Milwaukee SCA group, but non-members are quite welcome to attend. The lecture program will run from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. (including a break for lunch) and will cover five topics: The Gothic Fitted Dress The Greenland Gored Gown Will the Real Sideless Surcote Please Stand Up? The Problem of Women's Heraldic Dress Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for Costume Research Cost is $17 for SCA members or $20 for non-members. If you're a student, you pay only $10. Deadline for registrations is March 22, 2008, but because seats are limited, I'd encourage you to get reservations in earlier rather than later. (If you're not a member, you can skip the line on the form where it asks you for an SCA name!) Garb is optional. You can find more information on the topics, location, etc. here: http://caeranterth.northshield.org/Calendar/Netherton.html Feel free to forward/repost this message. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Uniquely You form for sale
I know that we have had the discussion of dress forms on this list many times, and wanted to inform that I have put up a UY form on ebay for sale (Item Id: 110228560792) It is a size Medium. Why am I getting rid of it? Well, it's 25 lbs too big :) and while UY forms squish, they don't squish *that* much! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] muckinger construction
Well, my husband and I usually pick up hankies at garage sales and use them. However, we are middle-class working folks, so lots of lace and embroidery wouldn't be a good choice for us. I would say a square of linen, hemmed (maybe with hem-stitch?) and a bit of embroidery would be fine...lace if he wants to be pretensious or make an impression with the nobles. Remember, lace is EXPENSIVE at this time, so he would have paid a pretty penny (or pound!) for it. I'm not really sure about the monogram. I can offer, if interested, blackworking a muckinger for you/him. Contact me privately if you're interested! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence at the Dirty Duck Inn Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:32 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] muckinger construction I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. The ones shown here are mostly lace trimmed. http://www.margaretroedesigns.com/extanthandkerchiefs.html Is that for both men and women? Ansel wanted a monogram F (Frobisher) in the corner. Were monograms popular at the time? I don't recall that being much of a fashion until later. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Introduction
Sarah, if you are going to be at Reenactorfest, stop by the Guilde of St. Lawrence and say hi to me too! And, if you're interested in Elizabethan, well, that's what we do :) We are a guilde of middle-class citizens at the Bristol Renn Faire in Kenosha, but my husband and I live in Madison area. Where are you? *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Krans Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Introduction Thank you for the offer. I am actually planning on going to Reenactorfest and staying with my WWII Unit Commander (the event doubles as our annual meeting). I'll probably be running around in my late 1700s dress because I don't get to wear it all that often! I have not attended the event but have heard good things about it. Sarah Sarah, Allow me to introduce myself especially to you. I am the Chairman of Costume-Con 28, which will be in Milwaukee in 2010. I am also affiliated with the ICG Guild in Chicago. If you are not aware of it, there is a growing general event in northern Chicago in early February called Reenactor Fest. http://members.aol.com/reenactorfest/chicago.html I will be there for the weekend and, if you want to use my room for a bivouac for a day, if you come, that would be OK by me! Just don't mind my other friends who might be doing that, too. Contact me out of group if you are. Or if I can be of any other help! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 1620's question
Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought it would be fun to dress the part. However, our usual is 1570's England, so we need to update our current outfits a bit. What is the best/easiest way to revise a somewhat later Elizabethan men's doublet and paned slops to update it to 1620's? I'm thinking a falling collar and big lace cuffs; what about a hat? Would a flat cap be approproate? or a tall hat? I am planning to wear a generic kirtle and semi-fitted overgown (maybe I'll finally make some sleeves!) with a black wool partlet over the ensemble, possibly a jacket (based on Arnold) and a linen caul for my head. Would I need another head covering over the caul? Thanks for any suggestions! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 1620's question
Duh - I should have thought to check out Plimouth! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1620's question Rebecca Schmitt wrote: Well, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I have a question My husband and I may have the chance to do a reading of the original Thanksgiving proclamation at our church on Thanksgiving, and thought it would be fun to dress the part. Have a look at the Plimouth Plantation site: http://www.plimoth.org/ There are lots of photos of costumed interpreters to draw inspiration from. They've done a good job with the research and the clothing from the time period -- clothing worn by the settlers as opposed to the folks home in London. Somewhere they used to have a section on the clothing, but they've redone the site *again*, and I can't find it now. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008?
O...my husband promised me Italy for our 15th anniversary evil grin Do you think he'd go for it? *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? At 01:59 05/06/2007, you wrote: For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm --Robin The promo on the site shows costumes I made, and Janet approved!! I would love to go, but hate to think what the cost will be. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?
I am a mother of a toddler and part-time communications coordinator at my church. Which means I, too, spend my husband's salary to make our costumes :) Since it was my costuming which won the Costume Contest for two years at our local Renn Faire and caught the attention of cast there; and that managed to hook us into being on the cast; and now my husband is the Guildemaster for our guilde, I think he's OK with that ;) *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? I used to be an accountant, and I am now a full time stay at home mother of two small kids. I enjoy taking on the occasional costume commission to pay for some things, and otherwise spend my husband's money to make up costumes for myself, and my family. Thankfully, he supports my habit, knowing it is who I am, what I love to do, and that I will make him look good in costumes, too. Kimiko --- Jennifer Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? __ __ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: thread holders....
All of you are awesome - I now have multiple options to choose from. Yay! :) *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: thread holders I googled for wooden spools and among other things found a whole lot of different types--with and without thread--on Ebay! Which made me think that the bobbins for bobbin lace might be a good solution too, plus they're often very pretty. MaggiRos --- cahuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you jam the spool onto a bobbin winder, life becomes much easier... And you can get the wooden/horn/MOP flat holders that can fit into a clamp fringe twister... Maybe not the 'period' way to load up, but do it at home and nones the wiser G ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look right? *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or wound around a small card...yeah Thanks! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look right? The best 16th-century images I've been able to find seem to have thread/yarn either (1) wound into little balls, kept in a box, or (2) wound around something small, rectangular and flat (no indication of what it is, since the images are little details in the corners of paintings...) I would guess that sewing thread might have been sold in hanks, but I really don't know. I am fairly sure that silk embroidery thread was, and flat thread winders have been suggested as a plausible way to wind off part of a hank of silk so you could cut lengths to work with. You might find these articles helpful -- though I'll warn you, while you see a lot of the needlebooks shown here (on the project page in this issue) at Renaissance Faires, the documentation for them is not terribly good. They show up in re-drawings by Herbert Norris, who often (but not always) had good sources for what he showed, but never tells you where he found things :( http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/filum/Filum_28_workbox.pdf OChris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com a.k.a. O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford + Chris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guild of St. George, Northern California http://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans?
Has anyone used leading strings in an Elizabethan setting/outfit for their children? How did you do it? Did you attach tapes to each outfit, or is there some way to make them interchangeable? I'm tempted to try to make some sort of harness that I can clip onto my toddler to wear underneath a jerkin. Has anyone tried something like that? I'm concerned that all the tugging and pulling that I'm anticipating will yank the leading strings right out of the seams. Any experiences with leading strings will be greatly appreciated! Also, are there any useful patterns for 18-24 month sizes for Eliz.? Thanks! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans?
Yes, the harness idea came from a teddy-bear backpack/harness that has a leash which clips onto it that we use. It is nice and secure - very important when said 18-month-old decides to take off! We will be in a Faire setting with an open fire and a very large site to roam in (along with a few ponds, etc.), so I want to be sure my son is well-secured to Mommy! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans? In modern settings I've used a harness for clipping a child into a stroller - this was Germany so I'm not sure if they are available stateside - that I attached a leach to. It kept my daughter within ten feet of me without having to hold my hand, very important to a very independent little girl. I have also used a length of woven trim about a inch wide tied around my granddaughter's waist, and then a loop on the other end for my wrist. It worked well to keep her close at an event, just had to watch her getting tangled with a friend's dogs. As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only think of one image of a little girl with leading stings. You can't tell she's wearing them, except her older sister is holding onto them. alex On 3/19/07, Rebecca Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used leading strings in an Elizabethan setting/outfit for their children? How did you do it? Did you attach tapes to each outfit, or is there some way to make them interchangeable? I'm tempted to try to make some sort of harness that I can clip onto my toddler to wear underneath a jerkin. Has anyone tried something like that? I'm concerned that all the tugging and pulling that I'm anticipating will yank the leading strings right out of the seams. Any experiences with leading strings will be greatly appreciated! Also, are there any useful patterns for 18-24 month sizes for Eliz.? Thanks! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Returning to h-cost
Hello all! I am Rebecca and am returning to H-cost after a leave of absense due to child-rearing :) I signed off a bit over a year ago for childbirth, and figured toddlerhood was a good time to go back to something that might help me keep my sanity (or lose even more of it - whichever feels better at the time :) I do mostly Elizabethan, and am on cast at the Bristol Renn Faire. Being out of the loop for awhile, I'm wondering if any children's patterns have come on the market in the past year? Aforementioned toddler will need clothing for this season. Also, if anyone has good information on leading strings...toddler will be ~20 months when season starts, and we work around an open fire, so I want to be able to have control of him at all times. Leading strings seemed to be a good start :) *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] article on lace making
Did anyone else see yesterday's Wall Street Journal? On the front page was an article on Indian women making hand-made lace and the difficulties of keeping the art going, finding places to sell it, etc. I found it fascinating, and thought others here would as well. I don't know if you can access the article on-line without a subscription, but just about every local library I've ever had access to got the WSJ. I think it would be worth looking up. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Gestational Stays
Well, I didn't do a whole lot of research into it, but I was in the last trimester of my pregnancy last year during Faire, and simply wore a very good supporting bra under my loose kirtle and surcoat. My character is solidly middle-class. With the kirtle/surcoat outfit, you really don't need stays or hoops underneath to achieve the right look - using a stiff facing at the bottom of the kirtle achieved the needed stick-out-ness without any petticoats or hoops (which wouldn't fit over an ever-expanding belly :-) My second outfit was based on a Flemish working-woman kirtle and front-laced overgown. This worked well, as I could let out the laces as needed, or dispense with the overgown if the day was really hot. (Same with the surcoat above). If the undergown is fitted correctly, it is supposed to support without any corsetry at all. I, however, have never been able to do this fitting on myself satisfactorily, and so again wore a bra during pregnancy, and wear reed-boned stays otherwise. I have photos, but nowhere to put them up online. I can send them to you directly if you would like - let me know. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] margo pattern question
Does anyone here have Margos Elizabethan gentlemens pattern? I've asked on Margos list but can't get an answer - I'm pretty sure there is a correction that needs to be done to the neck of the mens doublet but I haven't got that page - can anyone here enlighten me? Thanks in advance, Aylwen Just what problems are you having? I have made the doublet a few times for my husband and don't recall having any troubles. I just checked my pattern instructions for any notes that I might have jotted down (I try to do this so I remember if I changed something for the next time) and have nothing recorded for the neck-piece at all. I just bought and made that pattern in November, and found that there were several corrections to pattern pieces, directions left off in some places, and at one place outright wrong directions. Off the top, I cannot remember what I had to do to make it work, so I guess I cannot be of much help. I do remember fighting with the collar, however, and it seems to me that doing what made sense at the time was the right thing to do. I would not recommend this pattern for someone who is not already familiar with basic construction techniques for this type of garment. ~Kimberley I would agree with you that Margo's patterns do need a bit of prior sewing experience. I have also found places where an step is left out - obvious if you've sewn before, but not so obvious if this is your first sewing experience. Bummers! I just ordered the Gentlemen's Wardrobe pattern set to use for my son's Faire outfit. Is there a better one you would recommend? This is my first time doing really historically accurate costuming and I need to get it right. Rebecca Burch There is really no better pattern than Margo's on the market (my opinion, of course!) Her patterns are well researched and I think fulfill the qualification of historically accurate. The only way you could get more accurate is to draft your own pattern using Janet Arnold, or some other costume historian's sketches (or your own, if you are so lucky). What Faire are you making the costume for? Is your son going to be on cast? I know for a fact that Margo's patterns are used by cast members at many Faires across the country - I have used them for myself and my husband at Bristol and recommend them to the members of my Guilde, of which I am the costume liaison. I also had a problem with the collar, made it over several times and finally gave up in frustration and went on to another project. It's been sitting in my UFO pile for a couple years now. I just thought it was me, since I had never made anything like it before. Now I feel a bit better that I'm not the only one! Might even start working on it again... :-) ~mary Again, I do not have any notes at the doublet collar section of my pattern instructions. It is a tricky part, but if you follow the instructions *very* *carefully*, it works fine. It is one of those spots where I found I can't go rushing through, or I will mess up. OK, I'm reading the instructions themselves over carefully. I think that the step that is missing is to slash the seam allowance to the inside corner dot, so that the piece will pivot and be able to sew the collar piece to the shoulder/front. Does that make sense? Not something that I needed to note for myself, because I just knew/figured what needed to be done from prior experiences. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Slightly OT on Movie Costume picture source
Suzi - why not check your local library? That was a popular enough movie, I would think they may have it - and it costs nothing! (or perhaps a very small fee, depending on your library) *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** Yes, it was a bustle gown. I copied the blue dress, from a borrowed DVD, but cannot get it again from the owner. You have to Join the shop here to rent videos and DVDs, and I feel it is a nuisance for just one movie! Thanks anyway Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Holiday gifts
I got Fashions of the Gilded Age Vol 1 and 2 - just started to read the first one today :-) Also, a Barnes Noble gift card that will most likely go to something costume related. Oh, and my secret Santa sent me lucet cords - just beautiful colors. I really have to learn how to do that for myself... *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** Are we not going to have the traditional discussion of what costume-related gifts everyone got? Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Book recommendations, please
My husband's stepmother has on her Christmas list book on embroidery for beginners. Any suggestions or recommendations? Thanks! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] CostumeCon24 Online Registration
I didn't see any dates listed anywhere for this event - can anyone provide? I might actually be able to attend this one, as it is in the Midwest. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** Announcement for Costume Con 24 Online registration is now available via our website. We accept payment via PayPal. http://www.epicmovies.org/cgi-bin/register.cgi CC24 Committee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: crocking was clothing superstitions
Actually, on the subject of crocking... This year my husband's red wool venetians crocked/bled very badly onto his shirt and stockings during the run of Faire. Not unusual, you might say, red is notorious for not being a stable dye. However, this is the third year these venetians were worn, and neither of us recall any sort of difficulties with them before. The offending dye washed out of the other pieces of clothing without mishap, but I was wondering if anyone else had such an experience and if there is any way to try to set the dye into the wool at this point? *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack
I'm not Sylvia, but the drill will probably be in the utility fabrics with pillow ticking and osnaburg, etc. *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flour Sack Sylvia, Where in the store would the drill be located? Is it in with the fashion fabrics or the quilting/craft fabrics? I don't remember seeing a sign for Drill. Thanks, Wendi Sylvia wrote: If you've been looking at Joanns, ours is carrying a white or off-white drill, which is good for corsets. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
