Re: [Hardhats-members] GTM prompt weirdness with FreeBSD
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If GT.M works at all on OS X, I would expect it the compiler to run unchanged. This is because while GT.M generates object files in a standard format, it uses its own dynamic loader. Maybe. Obviously, habing your own linker makes a big difference, but what is not obvious to me (due to my ignorance of Mach) is that the operating system interfaces will be compatible, even if the high-level system calls (fork, dup, sbrk, etc.) I'll have to check the developer documentation when I get a chance and see what I can learn. My guess, though, is that if your run BSD over Mach, the fact that schuduling (say) is handled by the microkernel would not be visible at the VM level, and if thazt's the case Bhaskar may well be right here. (I'm certainly no expert.) In Ismet's case, I suspect that the 1h is coming from some mismatch having to do with terminal characteristics on the server side (e.g., libncurses). I wonder if something like stty sane before going into GT.M might make a difference. I'm sure you're right. The thread forked but there's been no exec (new subject line) as yet. :-) === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mathematics is the science of patterns. --Lynn Arthur Steen, 1988 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Use of directories in GT.M
Caché, of course, has namespaces, but GT.M seems to provide analogous functionality though the use of private global and routine directories. Not being a GT.M expert by any stretch, I wonder if it is feasible to treat a routien directory as a namespace that can be imported or used dynamically (i.e., code could be written so that if you zlink XYZ it will first look in directory abc then, say, the system directory and finally the user's home directory). I ask because the mehtod of assigning namespaces that are implemented as the first 2-4 charachters as routine and variable names is, well, archaic. If better namespaces were available in both Caché and GT.M it might be reasonable to consider implementing them -- at least for future work. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] GOOGLE TO HOST REPOSITORY FOR OPEN-SOURCE PROJECTS
--- Maury Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google is offering to host open source software development projects in a move that has been met with mixed reaction from the developer community online. http://newsletter.infoworld.com/t?r=314ctl=133D0F6:1F5F2D1 I kind of like the idea of a repository at Google. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] open vista installation help ..
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy -- If Karthik is running FOIA VistA, why start up Taskman and RPC Broker? -- Bhaskar Are you referring to using inetd to accept connections rather than a process running under the control of Taskman? It's true that what is usually called the listener in VistA need not be a process that is always there, running under the control of Taskman, but CPRS always goes through th RPC Broker, even if the mechanics of launching the server process have changed. But there's another issue here, too, and that process creation in VistA will always go through Taskman with very, very few exceptions. (In fact, outside Kernel, the only exception I can think of is Mailman). Leaving aside the question of whether this is a good design or not, VistA will be severely crippled if Taskman is not running. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] open vista installation help ..
--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karthik -- Please don't run ^ZTMGRSET! I have already done that when creating the SemiVivA release. The occasional Kernel patch will require running this routine (I believe it's RELOAD^ZTMGRSET). Will they work properly under GT.M? I certainly applaud any eforts to simplify the installation of VistA, so this is no criticism, just a question. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] OS
VA medical centers generally run Caché/VMS on the Alpha, so if this is the direction you want to go, you won't exactly be breaking new ground. On the other hand, there are quite a few people on this list who want to focus on purely open source solutions from the OS up. Regardless of the OS and MUMPS implementation you choose, the *VistA* source will be freely available. If you want an open source operating system, your choices are Linux, FreeBSD (or its close relatives OpenBSD and NetBSD). On the Power PC (but not the Intel platform), Darwin (the OS X kernel) is also publicly available (but not under a standard open source license so far as I know). There may be other options I'm not aware of. The two most common options for the MUMPS implementation are Caché (an InterSystems product, and not open source) and GT.M (which Fidelity makes available as open soure on IA-32 but is not generally available as open source on other platforms). Me, I don't work for either of these companies and try to remain neutral to the extnt that I can. If I've failed in this respect, I apologize. --- Jamie Hussey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running the windows version, and HUI4. I like to try it on VMS later on. I'm interested to know what everyone uses for there live environment. All of our existing system run either on Unix or VMS, I do have less critical systems running server 2003(3M, Dictaphone, PBX's, etc..etc). Jamie === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] OS
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [KSB] Yes, GT.M for x86 GNU/Linux has been reported to run successfully on FreeBSD using the compatibility library. Does anyone have instructions for compiling GT.M on FreeBSD. I remember Dave Whitten and I tried this once before, but it wasn't even clear how to compile on Linux is a previous version wasn't in place. Darwin implements FreeBSD on top of the Mach-O microkernel (and yes, I recall a thread -- no pun intended -- in which someone said it's not a true microkernel in the sense of the original Mach). There are also core services which, I believe do not rely on the FreeBSD subsystem, but in principle, at least, FreeBSD applications ought to compile under OS X. And before anyone asks: No, I'm afraid that I don't really have time to try and port GT.M to OS X. I may have a go at Caché, but I've really got my hands full right now. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I create a new index using FileMan utilities
I'm afraid I can't give you a sceen capture right now, but the option you want is Cross Reference a Field, which I believe is under the Utilities menu. The terms index and cross-reference are used synonymously in Fileman. Keys are related to cross-references, but they aren't the same thing: Every key must be supported by a special kind of cross-reference called a uniqueness index, but you can define a uniqueness index without efining a key. You will notice that there are two types of cross-references: traditional and new style. A uniquenes index is a special kind of new-style cross-reference, so if you create a traditional cross-reference, you won't encounter any questions about uniqueness. (Did you notice how I deftly switched to speaking of cross-references whenever I needed a plural? I can't say indices because people will think I'm a snob, but I can't say indexes because people will think that I can't speak English! Oh well.) --- Renee Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have a FileMan file and I would like to create a new index based on a single field. I tried tooling around with the Q^DI Utility Functions, Key utilities and I got to the point where I sensed danger ;o) Was I headed down the right path (Fileman keys are indexes?)? Would someone mind capturing a log of creating a new index on a single field so I don't destroy something? Also, what is the command to build an index on a particular file? Is it Q^DI, option Utility Functions, RE-Index file, etc? Thanks once again for being such a helpful group, Renee - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I create a new index using FileManutilities
One way is to to Fileman, choose Data Dictionary Utilities then List File Attributes, and as the listing type, choose Indexes Only. If there's no data in the file, you won't see any index nodes in the global listing, but you can still see the index in Fileman. --- Renee Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did this, got no errors, built all indices and the new one does not appear to be there. How do I check to see if new cross-reference creation worked? Thanks, Renee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:27 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I create a new index using FileManutilities I'm afraid I can't give you a sceen capture right now, but the option you want is Cross Reference a Field, which I believe is under the Utilities menu. The terms index and cross-reference are used synonymously in Fileman. Keys are related to cross-references, but they aren't the same thing: Every key must be supported by a special kind of cross-reference called a uniqueness index, but you can define a uniqueness index without efining a key. You will notice that there are two types of cross-references: traditional and new style. A uniquenes index is a special kind of new-style cross-reference, so if you create a traditional cross-reference, you won't encounter any questions about uniqueness. (Did you notice how I deftly switched to speaking of cross-references whenever I needed a plural? I can't say indices because people will think I'm a snob, but I can't say indexes because people will think that I can't speak English! Oh well.) --- Renee Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have a FileMan file and I would like to create a new index based on a single field. I tried tooling around with the Q^DI Utility Functions, Key utilities and I got to the point where I sensed danger ;o) Was I headed down the right path (Fileman keys are indexes?)? Would someone mind capturing a log of creating a new index on a single field so I don't destroy something? Also, what is the command to build an index on a particular file? Is it Q^DI, option Utility Functions, RE-Index file, etc? Thanks once again for being such a helpful group, Renee - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Optimizing Taskman
in fact, the point of the Print Server configuration, and all the various files and paramters providing links between boxes (CPUs) is to support off-loading tasks from the production environment. I know it can make configuring Taskman seem unnecessarily complex (and confusing), but ther is a method to the madness. The General Processor configuration is simple and easy to understand, but lacks this benefit. I am undecided about allowing unlimiterd creation of jobs. Certainly, it make sense that the OS will be able to handle scheduling and reource allocation much more efficiently than VistA ever could. Also, bear in mind that VistA has been around for a long time, and has run under some operating systems that are, well let's just say minimal, by today's standards. But even on modern operating systems, there is a place for resource limits. Starting a new job for each inbound HL7 message could be bad news. (Has anyone noticed that I keep saying we badly need asynchronous I/O?) === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Making .01 a key?
As you know, Fileman does not require that the .01 field be a key (meanining it is non-null and no two records can have the same value). This can make pointer resolution unreliable. Now, this may not even be a good idea, but I've often considere designing my files so that the .01 field is a key. What do you think about this? Is there a down side to making it a key? If it is made a key, what do you think about making the B cross-reference a uniqueness index? I think I once created a separate uniqueness index (BB), but then thought that doing so was absurd, as it would simply duplicate the B index, so I dweleted both and created a new uniqueness index (B) and used it to support a key consisting of just the .01 field. Everything seemed to work fine, but I don't think I ever actually released any code that used a file designed this way. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Error affecting some tasked jobs
Is anyone maintaining a version with these changes applied? What about bundling them up as KIDS builds? I don't know what WorldVistA's code management strategy is, but it seems like a good idea. Oh, and dare I ask: What about QA? --- Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The June 2006 FOIA VistA for GT.M. has a disconnect between EVAL^%ZTLOAD1 and ORDER^%ZOSV that causes ZTSAVE(NMSP*) to fail. Here is EVAL+2^%ZTLOAD1 - I ZT1[*,$P(ZT1,*)'[( S X=^%ZTSK(ZTSK,.3,,Y=ZT1 D ORDER^%ZOSV Q Here is ORDER+2^%ZOSV I $D(X1(*))#2 D DOLRO Q The problem appears to be that ORDER^%ZOSV is the VAX DSM version and ^%ZTLOAD1 is calling the non-VAX DSM version, based on checking ^%ZOSF(OS). This problem can be corrected by replacing ORDER^%ZOSV with the version that ^%ZTLOAD1 expects - ORDER ;SAVE PART OF SYMBOL TABLE IN LOCATION SPECIFIED BY X S (Y,Y1)=$P(Y,*,1) I $D(@Y)=0 F %=0:0 S Y=$O(@Y) Q:Y=!(Y[Y1) Q:Y= S %=$D(@Y) S:%#2 @(X_Y)=_Y) I %9 S %X=Y_(,%Y=X_Y, D %XY^%RCR F %=0:0 S Y=$O(@Y) Q:Y=!(Y'[Y1) S %=$D(@Y) S:%#2 @(X_Y)=_Y) I %9 S %X=Y_(,%Y=X_Y, D %XY^%RCR K %,X,Y,Y1 Q Lloyd - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Error affecting some tasked jobs
--- Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: F %=0:0 S Y=$O(@Y) Q:Y=!(Y'[Y1) S %=$D(@Y) S:%#2 @(X_Y)=_Y) I %9 S %X=Y_(,%Y=X_Y, D %XY^%RCR K %,X,Y,Y1 Q Dumb question: Is %XY^%RCR now implemented using MERGE? If not, how expensive is it? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Use of %RCR in Taskman
That makes sense to me. --- Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My original message cited an existing block of code from ^%ZOSV in describing an error affecting ZTSAVE(NMSP*). The question of using MERGE in lieu of %RCR is interesting in itself, but not related to the aforementioned error or its correction. Could this question be moved to a separate topic please? Lloyd - Original Message - From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Error affecting some tasked jobs --- Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: F %=0:0 S Y=$O(@Y) Q:Y=!(Y'[Y1) S %=$D(@Y) S:%#2 @(X_Y)=_Y) I %9 S %X=Y_(,%Y=X_Y, D %XY^%RCR K %,X,Y,Y1 Q Dumb question: Is %XY^%RCR now implemented using MERGE? If not, how expensive is it? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Optimizing Taskman
Wait...instead of focusing on details (like the use of %RCR), why not ask a more basic question: What can be done to optimize Taskman. Bhaskar has raised this issue a number of times, saying that the current architecture is far from optimal on GT.M (and probably Caché, too). I agree that just using JOB would be more efficient than the current approach of maintaining a pool of submanagers. But how is it possible to maintain the currwent interface. Well, one possibility would be to have a routine that would serve as the Taskman *prelude*, something like: PRELUDE ; code to initialize the environment and set a Taskman specific error trap (so errors can be logged and handled in Taskman) D @routine cleanup code goes here Q So far, so good, but what about controlling the number of running tasks? A natural approach would be to use a counting semaphore, initialized to the task limit. Each new task would execute a DOWN on entry, and UP upon exit (normal or abnormal). As you know, DOWN on a semaphore with a count of 0 blocks until another process executes an UP. I don't know what support is built into GT.M, but semaphores are certainly supported by Linux (or any modern Unix). === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Traversing an array
Try using $QS and $QL. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to work on an array something like this. A(i1,i2a,i3)=dog A(i1,i2b,)=cat A(i1,i2b,i3a)=ape A(i2,i2b,i3b)=lion A(i2,i2c,i3)=seal A(i2,i2c,i3,i4,i5)=mouse I am wanting to reorder the array such that the highest index (i5 etc) is the primary index of the final array, and the first index is the value. e.g. B(i3)=a1 B(i2b)=a1 B(i3a)=i1 B(i3b)=i2 B(i3)=i2 B(i5)=i2 So what I want is a way to get each separate line item of the list from the first example. I think there is a function to do this, but I can't find it. Can anyone help? Kevin - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Error affecting some tasked jobs
If you want, you can try setting ZTSAVE(MY*)= in a call to ^%ZTLOAD, the entry point for queuing a task progrzammatically. The basic technique is S ZTRTN=label^routine S ZTDESC=This is a test... S ZTDTH=$H S ZTSAVE(MY*)= D ^%ZTLOAD In order, what you're doing is 1. Specifying the routine/entry point to run 2. Giving th task a description 3. Saying the task should run NOW 4. Saying that all variables in the MY* namespace should be saved from the partition (i.e., used as input variables) 5. Queuing the task --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Lloyd. On Tuesday 11 July 2006 14:19, Lloyd Milligan wrote: When an application queues a task it usually saves variables for use by the task when it runs. Variables may be saved individually, or as arrays with descendants, etc. One of the supported ways of saving variables is a wildcard format, in which all variables belonging to a namespace are saved. It is the latter format that I claim does not work with the version of ORDER in the FOIA routine ^%ZOSV for GT.M (Unix). Thus a background task that relies upon the wildcard save may fail with an undefined variable error. Lloyd - Original Message - From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Error affecting some tasked jobs For those of us on the user end, what sort of failure would Lloyd's pickup(s) cause? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Optimizing Taskman
The question about undefined variables and ZTSAVE reminds me of another possible optimization. A very common use case is scheduling tasks to run immediately. This is done by setting ZTDTH=$H, but that only makes the task eligible to run: the manager still needs to pick up the task and hand it off to a submanager. I wonder how much time could be saved by running such tasks immediately without waiting for the manager to pick up the task? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Traversing an array
Well, you don't HAVE to use them, repeatedly S X=$O(X,) until you run out of subscripts. But using $QL is a whole lot easier, and $QS allows you to pull out the subscript. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was afraid you were going to say that... :-) Kevin On 7/11/06, Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using $QS and $QL. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to work on an array something like this. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] open source rap lyrics-VistA
Hey, that's pretty good! If it were a different type of song, I'd say you needed some Do Dot singers, but maybe you'll have to make do with a G START or even a S $ETRAP=OUTA^HERE --- Matthew King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's why I'm a doctor and not a song writer. I'm hoping someone else will contribute a few stanzas maybe about the early days, etc :-) The VistA Story So then I said Hey Mista! Tell me what's the deal with VistA? Where can I find the story That outlines all it's glory? He looked at me real funny Like I'm just some kind of dummy But he said it plain and clear And when the words came to my ear I knew you only understand it When you write your code around it. Because the story's in the code ;chorus It's what you find between the nodes When the ancient globals sing To your coded new routines As you call down through the layers You remember all the players All the packages unique But together when they speak And that's how they tell the story Of VistA and it's glory. They say the power's down Across every little town The situation's dire There's a hurricane and fires How can the crews receive All the injured and the grieved? Do I hear someone scream Hack? ; see DSL::VistA usr/local/FOIAVistA/vista_cprs file As I reach into my pack And I boot Bhaskar's CD For VistA instantly Now a laptop servers running;VistA can and should be modified for emergency For the little thumb drives humming;response With the Delphi-written GUIs;docs bring laptops, hand out thumb drives In the stadiums and movies And countless lives are saved By disks that Bhaskar made This code is not class one ;The VA model is not perfection through We will never get it done ;stated, static goals, but keeps pace with clinical changes The references are dangling ;through iteration and user interaction 'Cuz programmer mode is mangling As it kills data direct hit So now Fileman won't index it But our doctors need it now We need to get it done somehow So let's send it and then fix it Before Woodhouse even gets it ;he hates those direct calls... Just send it to New Orleans And we'll patch it in the mornin' matt - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Interesting datum: Tomcat and FDA
I just ran across the gollowing on the Tomcat web site: http://tomcat.apache.org/faq/fda-validation.html Tomcat FAQ FDA (21 CFR Part 11) Validation Preface This page discusses using Tomcat in an FDA validated environment, i.e. one where 21 CFR Part 11 regulations apply. Please note that although this page mentions specific companies, we do not explicitly endorse or sell anyone's services. Tomcat and Apache are not-for-profit organizations. This page is also far from a complete listing of vendors and support options. It is meant as a demonstration showing that these options do exist and that running Tomcat in a validated environment is both feasible and reasonable. Questions Can Tomcat be used in a validated environment? Has anyone actually done it? Is Tomcat itself validated? What kind of support is there around validating Tomcat? How do I know I have a validated release? How do I know no one has tampered with the release package? What about security? I'm concerned about attacks. Answers Can Tomcat be used in a validated environment? Yes. There's nothing in Tomcat's design or implementation that prevent it from being used in a validated environment. The same validation procedures and guidelines that apply to most software packages apply to Tomcat as well. Being an open-source application does not preclude Tomcat validation. In fact, it helps in at least one key aspect: the source code itself can be audited, as can the commit and change logs for the software. Has anyone actually done it? Yes. As shown in this user mailing list archive, Merck and other large companies are using Tomcat in a validated environment. In addition, there is at least one application provider (Interchange Digital) whose application runs on Tomcat that has deployed said package in numerous pharma data centers. Is Tomcat itself validated? Yes. Tomcat itself is validated to the extent it can be. Tomcat implements two Java Specifications: the Servlet Specification and the Java Server Pages (JSP) Specification. Each of these specifications has a Technology Compatbility Kit (TCK), which is a collection of tests to certify a given product meets the Specification fully and accurately. The Apache Software Foundation is licensed to run these TCKs. They are run against every single Tomcat release. No Tomcat release is pronounced stable unless it has passed both of these TCKs with 100% compliance. Therefore, every stable Tomcat release is validated to the extent of Tomcat's core functionality. Furthermore, any company of individual may apply to obtains and use these TCKs themselves. That way, you can re-validated Tomcat including any custom patches you have implemented. However, we cannot validate your application's use of Tomcat. You're on your own there. What kind of support is there around validating Tomcat? Several kinds. They include: There are numerous smaller vendors and several large ones, including IBM, HP, Sun, and Novell, who offer Tomcat consulting and support services, including application auditing, environment assessments, and risk analysis. There are numerous vendors in addition to the above consultants, like Covalent and JBoss, who offer 24/7/365 enterprise-level support for Tomcat. The Tomcat mailing lists are extremely active and contain members of many of the above organizations, including contractors available for hire. How do I know I have a validated release? How do I know no one has tampered with the release package? All Tomcat releases are signed using the Release Manager's PGP key. The key is also available in the KEYS file that ships with every Tomcat release. The same KEYS file is also available in the Tomcat CVS repository (here). The PGP signatures are available on all the Tomcat download pages, and can (and should!) be used to verify the release really is the signed distribution. As for tampering: every Tomcat release is also digested using the MD5 algorithm as specified in RFC1321. The MD5 digest is included in all the download pages. Users run MD5 on their local machine to verify that the digest of what they downlaoded is the same as that published in the Apache download pages. That way, users are assured the distribution has not been modified since the Release Manager signed it. What about security? I'm concerned about attacks. There's no need to be. See the security page of this FAQ for more information. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list
Re: [Hardhats-members] sshd and mumps process hung
If you can replicate the problem, I'd recommed signing in through ^ZU and interrupting the process with kill -2. I don't know if ctrl-C will even send an interrupt, it might just break the connection. Look at the option definition and see if there is any code vulnerable tyo being put into a tight loop if certain variables are dedfined in your environment. Finally, and this is a long shot, it's just possible that a corruption of some sort in ^XUTL has caused a node to point back to itself. (Note, BTW, that data in ^XUTL is stored under the user's DUZ. Did you sign in as the same user each time?) --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this your first time in to this menu? On Thursday 06 July 2006 14:59, Ismet Kursunoglu wrote: I was at the manager menu and used the system status option and the session hung with this remaining (this was over an ssh session running Bhaskar's FOIAVistA20060615 with gtm_V5.1-000) Select Systems Manager Menu Option: ? Core Applications ... Device Management ... Menu Management ... Programmer Options ... Operations Management ... Spool Management ... Information Security Officer Menu ... Taskman Management ... User Management ... Application Utilities ... Capacity Planning ... HL7 Main Menu ... (hung from the konsole screen) The server system logs didn't show anything particular. Here is some more info: top - 10:37:29 up 10 days, 1:50, 4 users, load average: 1.62, 1.49, 1.36 Tasks: 69 total, 3 running, 66 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu0 : 33.6% us, 64.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.7% hi, 1.7% si Cpu1 : 23.9% us, 28.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 47.2% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% si Mem: 4025544k total, 4017388k used, 8156k free, 136244k buffers Swap: 7815580k total,0k used, 7815580k free, 3410024k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 12642 myvista 25 0 15104 5308 12m R 99.9 0.1 42:37.75 mumps 12530 myvista 16 0 15644 2112 5824 R 52.6 0.1 23:24.51 sshd 12719 myvista 16 0 2064 1044 1852 S 0.7 0.0 0:29.81 top 12784 myvista 16 0 2064 1044 1852 R 0.3 0.0 0:00.02 top 1 root 16 0 1504 512 1352 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.50 init 2 root RT 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 ... GTMZWR %XTT= DTIME= IO=/dev/pts/2 IO(0)=/dev/pts/2 IO(1,/dev/pts/2)= IO(HOME)=40^/dev/pts/2 IOBS=$C(8) IOF=#,$C(27,91,50,74,27,91,72) IOHG= IOM=80 ION=GTM-UNIX-TELNET IOPAR= IOS=40 IOSL=24 IOST=C-VT100 IOST(0)=9 IOT=VTRM IOUPAR= IOXY=W $C(27,91)_((DY+1))_$C(59)_((DX+1))_$C(72) POP=0 U=^ GTMD ^XTER In response to the DATE prompt you can enter: 'S' to specify text to be matched in error or routine name No error logged on 7/6/2006 I CTL-C from the ssh session and the hung processes resolved. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/foia06152006$ ps aux |grep mumps myvista 12559 0.0 0.0 14184 2296 ?S09:00 0:00 /usr/local/gtm_V5.1-000/mumps -direct myvista 12565 0.0 0.0 14392 2504 ? S09:00 0:00 /usr/local/gtm_V5.1-000/mumps -direct myvista 12569 0.0 0.0 14392 2580 ?S09:00 0:00 /usr/local/gtm_V5.1-000/mumps -direct myvista 12573 0.0 0.0 14120 2376 ? S09:00 0:00 /usr/local/gtm_V5.1-000/mumps -direct myvista 12597 0.0 0.0 14544 2804 ?S09:06 0:00 /usr/local/gtm_V5.1-000/mumps -direct myvista 12642 79.3 0.1 15104 5312 pts/0S+ 09:43 45:39 /usr/local/gtm_V5.1-000/mumps -dir From looking here I don't think that this was a database problem. http://www.sanchez-gtm.com/user_documentation/AdminOpsUNIX/UNIX_A_O/h1_proces s_hangs.html The ssh session was from a konsole terminal session running KDE on Debian/Sarge. I have been accesing this server via ssh from putty, Linux consoles, OpenBSD consoles, KDE's konsole, and xterm and over the last couple of months (starting with HUI VistA 4) with VistA with no problems. I recall Nancy mentioning some problem such as this a couple of weeks ago. Any ideas? Is this a problem with sshd? Thank you. -- Nancy Anthracite Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly
Re: [Hardhats-members] sshd and mumps process hung
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, and this is a long shot, it's just possible that a corruption of some sort in ^XUTL has caused a node to point back to itself. (Note, BTW, that data in ^XUTL is stored under the user's DUZ. Did you sign in as the same user each time?) To test this idea, you could do something like this S X=^XUTL,LIM=1000,I=0 F S X=$Q(@X) Q:((X=)!(ILIM)) S I=I+1 I I'LIM W !,Oops! === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] sshd and mumps process hung
--- Ismet Kursunoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is reproducible whenever I enter the Operations Mangement option follow by the 'System status' choice. I appreciate your comments and will get you more information. Okay, look to see what code is invoked by this option. You can do this either by doing an inquire to the OPTION file (#19), or just looking at ^%ZOSF(SS). does invoking the option via D ^XUP caus the system to hang? What abour running the command directly (without using Menu Manager). If it does, try invoking the option via D ^XQ1 (an internal entry point in Kernel, and NOT the proper way to invoke an option). If it does not hang when you invoked the option (using ^XUP) without navigating to it via th emenu, try going through the menu again. If it DOES hang, try cleaning your partition like so K D ^XUP You will be asked for you ACCESS CODE if you do this. If you don't want to bother with that, try this: S duz=$G(DUZ) K DUZ S DUZ=duz K duz K (DUZ) D ^XUP (Then again, it might just be easier to enter your access code!) If this all fails, you need to start debugging the code called by System Status. I'm not a GT.M user, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't some vairant on ps. HmmmThis may sound like a dumb idea, but is it just waqiting for you to press enter? Try hitting the enter key a few times. You never know. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] sshd and mumps process hung
--- Ron Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To rule out a problem with the sshd, try communicating with it using the ssh escape sequences (see man ssh for details) over your ssh session. If the sshd and your connection to it are alive and healthy, pressing and releasing the 3 keys enter~? one after the other will cause sshd to immediately show a list of available escape sequences. This is assuming that the tilde character is the escape character (as it is by default). Regards, Ron Good idea. There could be a mismatch between your terminal settings and what Linux thinks you're using, too. Do you have a different client (say OpenSSH) that you can try? Not to utter a blasphemy, but if your system doesn't contain any patient data you could even enable telent and try that. If it's a live system, or if anything on the same box contains sensitive data, I wouldn't. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Email to Remote domains
You need to be a litle careful, though. Do you run your own network? You probably don't want mail meant to be internal to your network to be routed out to your mail gateway. Do you use DNS? Also, some mail servers get upset (or at least skeptical) when your IP address is part of a private range used by something like a D-link router. I guess the answer depends on how big your network is and what you're trying to accomplish. --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nancy, The answer is simple (Assuming that previous setup has been done). After doing this all mail destined for the Internet will be routed through SMTP.ISPNAME.NET as long as the primary domain name (the one with a single label like com or net or edu) is defined as a synonym to it. Courtesy of Lee Hirz: 1. Set up a domain in the domain file that directs all mail through an SMTP mail transfer agent. Often this is the ISP SMTP receiver. At the VA we have a little different set up. Say the name of this domain is SMTP.ISPNAME.NET. 2. Establish a synonym for each of the standard primary domains (com, net, edu...) in SMTP.ISPNAME.NET. See below for a FileMan Inquiry. NAME: SMTP.ISPNAME.NET FLAGS: S DISABLE TURN COMMAND: YES PHYSICAL LINK DEVICE: NULL DEVICE TRANSMISSION SCRIPT: TEMP PRIORITY: 1 NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS: 4 TYPE: TCP/IP Channel PHYSICAL LINK / DEVICE: NULL === The NETWORK ADDRESS field could be the IP address instead of the domain name. NETWORK ADDRESS (MAILMAN HOST): SMTP.ISPNAME.NET TEXT: O H=SMTP.ISPNAME.NET,P=TCP/IP-MAILMAN C TCPCHAN-SOCKET25 SYNONYM: FR SYNONYM: COM SYNONYM: EDU SYNONYM: NET SYNONYM: MIL etc... Regards, Lee Hirz On Wednesday 05 July 2006 00:54, Asif Tasleem wrote: Dear All My question is about MailMan configuration to send email messages to the remote domains on the network. As far as email to local users is concerned, it is working fine. When I send message using XMUSER menu, and gives the email address of some remote domain like [EMAIL PROTECTED], the email is not delievered. What changes should I made to my configuration, so that I might be able to do that. Regards M Asif Tasleem Kabot International Dallas TX - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- Nancy Anthracite Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] POP3 Server for VistA
The difference in POP3 and IMAP is like night and day. I'm the last person to say Lee should not be lauded for his efforts here, but support for IMAP would certain be a very useful enhancement, should anyone have the time or interest to take it on. --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering we had neither one, we are ahead! On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:16, John Kemker wrote: Nancy Anthracite wrote: We have something new and welcome on my server courtesy of Lee Hirz. http://opensourcevista.net:/NancysVistAServer/POP3ServerForVistA A bit old news. I had managed to nudge Lee into a POP3 server back in the mid-90s. It took awhile, with much feet-dragging. Now, if Lee had provided you with an IMAP server, that'd be something! --JohnK Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Spanish?
--- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve; My code replaces the existing strings in the routines with a call to George's Dialog Call with the IEN for the entry with the extracted string. This instrumented code gets created in a parallel file which can be tested for actual completeness. My converter works across all of the VistA code at one time and cross-indexes the routine and the location that it came from. That's an intriguing approach. There are obviously limits to what we can do with static analysis, but it sure could give us a big head start on the problem. You are correct that there needs to be more work done by someone. The VA has spent much more than it would take just to do Spanish Pharmacy Lables. Too bad. What about future development? We don't talk about it much, but I imagine that the adoption of VistA will lead to the development of many new packages or expansion/revision of existing ones. I woner if anyone has set down guidelines for developing code in an I18N-friendly way. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] MUMPS class
How did it go? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Archetype editors
I don't know if anyone is interested in looking into archetypes, but in addition to the archetype editor for Windows, there is a public beta of a Java version. I've been working with it, and it seems to work quite well. If you've never seen an archetype, I think you'll find them quite familiar looking, very much like Fileman DDs. Of course, they are meant to be more abastract, not being tied to a specific technology, but they include constraints that are rather reminiscent of what we normally express using MUMPS code. Archetypes may well prove a useful framework for integrating VistA with external applications. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Edit mode with up-arrow input
Using extract mode (as you describe) is probably the simplest solution. Another option is to use $$HTML^DILF to encode special characters as hex. The trick here is that you need to unencode the data in the output transform and be sure to use $$GET1^DIQ instead of global reads to gedt the data. If you want to be able to read input containing an up-arrow, you can specify the U flag in ^DIR. (By the way, this is one time when RECALL^DILFD can be quite useful). === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] XUS2 failure
Under Caché, routines need to be compiled before you can run them. In most cases, this process is automatic, but it seems that you are missing a compiled copy of a routine. Since encryption code is removed from the FOIA version of VistA, I was speculating that this was most likely the problem. --- Robert Marmion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregory, Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I have a long way to go in my learning about VistA, and I'm embarrassed to say that I don't know what your answer means.Can you direct me to a piece of the documentation that would help me put your answer to use? Thanks! -Rob Robert Marmion ITBridges Inc. 609 844 1041 Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Locked out...
I've seen this happen before (a number of times, actually). By way of background, KIDS gives you the opportunity to disable logins when installing patches or packages, and the installation instructions often tell you to do so. The danger in not doing so is that it is possible that someone will attempt to run a rountine while it is being updated, resulting in a fatal error (or a hard error as it is often called in the VistA world). Unfortunately, there are times when errors occur when KIDS runs, too, and it's possible for the insztallation process to terminate abnormally before re-enabling logins. A thought: Why notstart a background job (not a task) that goes into a loop, repeaetedly sleeping (say 10 seconds), waking up and checking to see if KIDS is still running, and if it is, going back to sleep? If KIDS terminates abnormally, this job could do whatever housecleaning is deemed appropriate. I suspect many people would prefer to leave logins disabled until IRM has a chance to investigate, but there are a lot of people that don't know what to look for. The last time I saw this error, an install was queued (under Taskman), and looking for unsuccessful tasks quickly led us to both the task number and specific error. Greg's opinion: This kind of thing happens far too easily. --- Luke Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd post a followup. Thanks for the suggestion offered too! It was definitely 'weird'... Background: previously we had a site license of Cache, and were used to bumping into our license limit of ~180 users on the system simultaneously, and then not being allowed access. However, recently we got under the IHS umbrella, and now have a 400 concurrent user license for Cache. This morning, logons to RPMS started blowing up, as I mentioned, and we couldn't figure out why. It was obvious that there weren't anywhere near 400 users on the system. Nor could we get into RPMS to use the system routines the 'easy' way. Eventually ITSC (and Jawad) suggested starting Task Man manually (D ^ZTMB), which we did. We still couldn't immediately get in, but the machine got VERY busy (it was all disk, but I can honestly say when our Solaris9 box hit a run level of 285.6, I was impressed/nervous). A bit later apparently a device or two free'd up, and we got a RPMS session started. It seems MailMan was doing 'something', and had consumed all of our 400 allowed devices after TaskMan restarted. Strange. We presume MM was delivering some sort of data (Lab Interface, MFI, ???), but we're still sorting that out. In the end the box was inaccessible for about 3hrs, but all seems normal now. There were about 1200 tasks in TaskMan listed as 'unknown' but they don't seem to be affecting anything now? Guess we'll clear them up later... Guess we'll chalk it up to experience... Thanks... Luke Johnson wrote: Looking for a lead here... our Vista/RPMS system started something new to us this morning... SEARHCD ^XUS Volume set: AKM:SEARHC UCI: SEARHC Device: /dev/pts/5 Device: /dev/pts/5 Signons not currently allowed on this processor. The Solaris server seems fine, Cache seems fine, but it seems like RPMS/Vista doesn't want people to log on. We can run most utilities from the Cache prompt; e.g. Taskman start/stop, fileman, etc. But it won't let anyone attempt access/verify... From the prompt we can get to programmer mode (D ^XUP)... but when trying to run an option it throws this error: SEARHCD ^XUP Setting up programmer environment Terminal Type set to: C-VT100 You have 3146 new messages. Select OPTION NAME: TASK MANAGER ZTMMGR Task Manager WARNING -- TASK MANAGER DOESN'T SEEM TO BE RUNNING == Sorry, all activity on this volume set is being halted! Try again later. Halting at 9:03 am SEARHC I've found references to the kernel code (via google) that have the error messages, but it's not clear where to go / what to do to resolve them: http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/rtn/XUS3.html http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/rtn/XUSCLEAN.html No idea what precipitated this behavior, system has been stable and the most recent patch was 4-5 days ago. Also, we've tried hauling the database to a second Cache server, and it has the same results, so it definitely seems to be 'within' RPMS. Thoughts? Thanks, Luke Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL
Re: [Hardhats-members] Locked out...
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought: Why notstart a background job (not a task) that goes into a loop, repeaetedly sleeping (say 10 seconds), waking up and checking to see if KIDS is still running, and if it is, going back to sleep? If KIDS terminates abnormally, this job could do whatever housecleaning is deemed appropriate. I suspect many people would prefer to leave logins disabled until IRM has a chance to investigate, but there are a lot of people that don't know what to look for. The last time I saw this error, an install was queued (under Taskman), and looking for unsuccessful tasks quickly led us to both the task number and specific error. Strike that. I'm being stupid. Trapping errors and then launching cleanup code from the error handler is much more efficient and robust. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Fwd: Public release of Java Archetype Editor v0.3
Is anyone even reading Hardhats this week??? Well, I don't know if anyone in the community is looking at archetypes, but if they are, this may be of interest. --- Mattias Forss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:33:40 +0200 From: Mattias Forss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Public release of Java Archetype Editor v0.3 Dear all, With this message I am happy to announce that the Java Archetype Editor has been publicly released and is available to download from http://www.imt.liu.se/mi/ehr. Please read the release notes before installing the editor. Feedback about the editor is welcomed, both positive and negative. Open source distribution of the editor will not take place yet, but the source code will be released as soon as we feel it's mature enough. The Archetype Editor was developed within the framework of the EU-funded Network of Excellence entitled Semantic Interoperability and Data Mining in Medicine. Read more about Semantic Mining at http://www.semanticmining.org. Best regards, Mattias Forss via the Medical Informatics Group, Department of Biomedical Engineering, Linköping University, Sweden === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Delete notes in HUI OV4 and SemiVivA0.4
--- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After interrupting the process, the dump file created was $ZJOB=0 $ZLEVEL=7 $ZMAXTPTIME=0 $ZMODE=INTERACTIVE $ZPOSITION=END^TIUXRC2 $ZPROCESS= $ZPROMPT=GTM On routine END^TIUXRC2 lookup, TIUXRC2 ; COMPILED XREF FOR FILE #8925 ; 6/27/06 6:09pm 2; END G ^TIUXRC2 Nice sleuthing. I suspect that someone stuck that G TIUXRC2 in front by editing the compiled cross-rfeference. I'm not sure if everyone is familiar with the term compiled in this context, but Fileman does support conversion of certain components, such as templates and cross-references, into MUMPS code ahead of time. This saves time, because when these objects are used in non-compiled form, Fileman essentially goes through the same steps, as it executes them under its control. Compiled cross-references and such are stored in routines that are called directly. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Ordering IVs
--- Marc Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From an earlier thread, a participant mentioned that ordering IVs is handled completely outside of VistA. I just wanted to confirm this and also find out how the VA does handle IVs. Also, is there anything about VistA that precludes its use with IVs? Thanks, Do you mean ordering in the sense of writing an order for an IV? This is news to me. Inpatient Medications is a completely separate module from (Outpatient) Pharmacy, but it's still part of VistA. Not being an expert, I'd suggest you try looking at Inpatient Order Entry [PSJ OE]. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages?
--- Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's somewhere in the deep, dark, damp corners of MailMan, but as far as I know, there aren't any APIs for UUEncoding/decoding email. MailMan does have a way of working with BLOBs but I've never looked into it. Of course, MIME compliant messages are just text (as are messages with UUencoded attachments), so you could do it if it is possible to set the MIME type to multipart/mixed. Off hand, I don't know if that's possible in Mailman. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages?
Another thought: The advantage of using Mailman is it's normal MTA functionality (queuing and routing of mail). Rather than trying to midy Mailman to provide a simple way of building messages with attachments, it probably makes more sense to use another program (or write your own), and then submit the message to Mailman via SMTP. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages?
--- Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Base64 isn't UUEncoding. Each can be used for email attachments, but they are different algorithms. In addition to the differene in algorithms, MIME supports structured messages with headers and metadata for each message component, identifiers for message components and the ability to reference one component from another. messages can be, and often are hierarchically structured and include various kinds of content. On the other hand, uuencode simply allows you to attach data to a document (not to suggest that this was a small innovationm by any means!) My point of view is that uuencode is long obsolete, and MIME/base64 should be used instead. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages?
--- Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. I guess the point is that you aren't going to get it done with MailMan unless you code the attachment requirement yourself. True. My point was that in an environment where you'd want to send a Word document, it probably doesn't make sense to try and compose the message in Mailman. Better to use your favorite e-mail application and (if needed) connect to Mailman via SMTP. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages?
--- Renee Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can MailMan send email to recipients who are not stored in a FileMan file (XMY parameter of the XMB routine)? Are the recipients indicated by an email address, or do they get referenced thru a DUZ? Typically, you will have DOMAIN entries that either contain transmission scripts or relay domains. When you send mail to a foreign domain, it will look in the DOMAIN file and try and find a matching entry. Mailman was recently enhanced to support DNS (if enabled), but I don't know if it looks at MX records (as it should) or just A records. If it does not use MX type resource records, that's a bug. When you said connect to Mailman via SMTP. are you referring to inbound mail only, or is there some way I should compose a MIME-encoded message than route it to MailMan so it can send it? You can just list the domain name (or perhaps IP address) of your system as the SMTP server for your mail client. As far as SMTP is conceerned, MIME formatted messages are no different from any other messages, and Mailman can relay them just fine. BTW, the creation of the email is the result of an event in VistA, which is why I would like to tie it into the VistA architecture somehow rather than writing something new, externally. Well, you can build the message yourself, but you need to be sure that you include appropriate MIME headers (and I'm not certain Mailman will allow you to do this, though if it doesn't, it should.) If it's just text, you can use ^XMB. If you want to be really tricky, you can even connect to localhost on port 25. Off-hand, I don't know if you can use CALL^%ZISTCP, the documentation seems to imply that you may not be able to. BTW, the lack of standardfization of TCP/IP APIs between MUMPS implementations, and the lack of support for such basic things as UDP and control operations (ioctl) has long been a frustration of mine. Thanks, MailNewbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:30 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages? --- Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. I guess the point is that you aren't going to get it done with MailMan unless you code the attachment requirement yourself. True. My point was that in an environment where you'd want to send a Word document, it probably doesn't make sense to try and compose the message in Mailman. Better to use your favorite e-mail application and (if needed) connect to Mailman via SMTP. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Programatically generate MailMan messages?
FWIW, I think you're right about implementing an older protocol correctly in preference to a broken implementation of MIME. It just really bothers me that this should be necessary. It makes VistA look clunky and amateurish. We don't need to be on the leading edge of everything, but good grief! How long has MIME been a standard? I know that sounds harsh, but is it really so unreasonable? Do we still have support for Kermit, but none for FTP? I can see making a principled decision to leave such things to the host OS, but that's not really what we're doing, is it? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistARad imaging
Those are the kind of things that really make me scratch my head. Surely, you don't need to be a radiologist (or practitioner of any sort) to figure out this isn't a good idea. Perhaps the developer couldn't figure out how to handle more than one monitor (OS limitations?) but STILL that is mind boggling. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Hopefully someone can give me a little insight.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just returned from a long trip and upon returning home was pleasantly surprised to learn that the World Vista team is meeting next week for their conference. But much to my dismay, it looks as if I am too late to attend the 1 day course for the MUMPS language. I have a few questions regarding this. I am a former Medical Manager dealer and 90% of my old clients do not have an EMR system. I am not versed in the Mumps language at all, and since I don't have any background in this language do you still recommend I attend this conference? Am I going to be totally lost? Are many of the installers and support teams for vista now servicing private practices? If so how difficult has this transition been for the practices? Most of my old clients, either single physicians or small groups of 2 or 3 doctors, have inquired about EMR but also want the system to be integrated with Medical Manager, is this possible? Since most of my clients keep their billing in house they would w ant a total solution for their office, could vista work for them? Sorry if these questions are redundant, this is my first time writing in this forum, any and all help is much appreciated. I've never actually attended any of those conferences, but judging from the agenda, I'd say you don't have too much to worry about. If you're a programmer (particularly if you've used language like Perl, Pygthon or Ruby), MUMPS shouldn't present much of a challenge. Even so, I think what's going on is that if your role is at all technical, MUMPS programming is a useful (and sometimes necessary) skill when working with VistA. But that isn't to say you'll be dead in the water without taking a MUMPS class -- not by a long shot. I think the training is just being provided at the conference because it's a conveneient time, not because it is a prerequesite for the rest of the conference. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] An aside (Hopefully someone can give me a little insight)
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Integration with a medical manager (PMS) is going to be a difficult issue for any EMR, and VistA is no exception. None of these programs You explain that this is so because none of these programs have been designed to be interoperable, which is fair (at least generally -- there might be something out there that IS designed to be interoperable), but it is still a disturbing statement. This kind of complacency can only hurt VistA and EMR software generally. No one has been able to show why interoperability is difficult to achieve in principle. Instead, there has been a tendency to acknowledge that existing systems present real difficulties and then move on without much further comment. This is dangerous because it encourages a situation where VistA becomes a world of its own, effectively cut off from initiatives and projects outside the VistA world. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Hopefully someone can give me a little insight.
--- Mike Schrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could go to the Conference! Mike Schrom This was going to be the meeting I finally attended, but things just didn't work out that way. Oh well. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistARad imaging
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I manage to remember, I am bringing a MacMini with the new chip to the meeting and I am looking for someone(s) who wants to compile GT.M on it. THEN we can run OsiriX with VistA. Do you need to have VistA running on the same box? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] kids export of a record
--- Hay, James (DHS-CMS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I use kids to export the data for 1 record in a file of 5? There is no need to export the DD. The record is not an option or function. You can use a screen to select records to be exported. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] kids export of a record
--- Hay, James (DHS-CMS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this on the second screen in Kids? If so, aren't I stuck with aa full or partial DD export? I'm afraid I don't really have time to look into this right now. Is the problem not being able to export a single record, or is it that you are concerned about potential DD updates? In the latter case, you might consider using the Fileman export tool. It handles subfiles by flattening out the file using a hierarchical key, and that ought to work just fine with file 5. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] kids export of a record
--- Hay, James (DHS-CMS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I told kids not to update the DD, and set the DD update screen to I 0. I hope this is all. If that works, I think it probably qualifies as a bug. The intent of the DD screen is to aloow developers to create patches updating the DD for selected fields. Trying to send data without data definitions seems to me like trying to subvert the intent of package designers. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Marry Independent NFP Health Record Databanks and the Banking System?
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From i Health Beat http://www.ihealthbeat.org/index.cfm?Action=dspItemitemID=122546 -- Nancy Anthracite That kind of gives new meaning to the phrasse financial bill of health, doesn't it? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VHA eyes open-source replacement for VistA
--- Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VA needs to replace VistA because VHA needs a system that users can easily search instead of sifting through VistA's free text, Kolodner said. Okay. is that really so strange a thing to say? After all, progress notes are just unstructured text and they do represent a big chunk of the patient record. Then again, the quote may be taken out of context. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VHA eyes open-source replacement for VistA
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's interesting about all this is that searches through unstructured text are increasingly common. That's what Google is all about. That's what Google appliances do inside corporate Intranets. That's what beagle does on file systems. Presumably, it would be a minimal amount of extra work to have VistA index progress notes and other text fields. Indeed, it's a near-trivial matter to also handle common spelling errors as well. -- Bhaskar Fileman does support Key Word in Context (KWIC) cross-references, but they aren't much used. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to introduce newer or more sophisticated index types if desired. You certainly raise an interesting point: I've long thought stuctured documents were the way to go (long before there was a CDA), but improvements in NLP technology and standard automaton driven searches could go a long way. Something to think about. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Package-File collection and Transactions
Remember that VistA has historically been used on a number of MUMPS implementations, not all of which support transactions. Accordingly, even though transactions are not currently used in VistA. A further complication is that embedded code in the data dictionary can complicate the semantics of transaction rollback. Trying to use the M95 transaction facilities would really be breaking new ground -- which is not to say it shouldn't be done. However, code utilizing transaction processing will not be SAC compliant. If you do need to support rollback, you probably need to implement it by hand, i.e., by explicitly trapping and handling errors. This isn't as bad as it sounds, but of course, it doesn't insulate you from logic errors in your code. I know I've been accused on a number of occasions of being overly negative, but this is a good example of an area where lack of clear separation between database and business layers leads to problems. The technology needed to implement database layer transactions is reasonably straightforward, but once you start executing application code, things get quite a bit more messy. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Package-File collection and Transactions
Sorry about the piecemeal reply. The PACKAGE, BUILD, and INSTALL files are used to track what is installed on your system, including such details of ranges of files associated with an install. However, the PACKAGE file really isn't a reference database: think of it as being analogous to the list you see when you open up Add/Install Programs in Windows. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] WorldVistA wiki up
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could wax poetic to express my thanks to Larry and Dave... Hey, that's pretty good! === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] The Rise and Fall of CORBA
There's an interesting article in the latest Queue http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=396 discussing some of the market and technical forces that have led to the declining interest in CORBA. In general, it seems to me to be reasonably balanced and is certainly worth reading. More generally, this is very much an issue that is of interest to medical computing, given the growing importance of middleware and the integration of widely disparate systems. It is also important to remember that, in order to be successful, VistA really needs to work well with other systems. This is an area where there are for more problems than there are solutions. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judge a man by his questions not his answers. --Voltaire ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Updated provisional agenda for PittsburghVistACommunity Meeting
--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt -- The tracks are not hard and fast tracks, but rather rooms where people can hang out for discussions. The tradition of the VistA Community Meetings has been to be completely unstructured, but this time we tried to add an element of structure. We will almost certainly reconfigure the tracks at the actual meeting. So fear not, and just show up! I look forward to meeting you. Regards -- Bhaskar That's a common practice, at least among conferences I've attended. Perhaps medical conferences are structured differenctly, but in the computer industry it is common to define tracks to try and ensure that there are sessions fitting into broad categories in each time slot. The point is to increase the probability that each attendee will have a session s/he wants to attend in each time slot, and at the same time, minimize the degree to which people need to move between rooms. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Cross reference between ICD-9 and CPT codes
--- Matthew King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The larynx is a location in the throat that houses the vocal cords. It is not a synonym. (See Google images of larynx.) No, it's a meronym. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Alternate databases?
--- Jim Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm?! So then, how exactly is the knowledge incorporated in the system but not in the code? If it is not in the code, where is it? Gregory has made this claim before, but it makes no sense to me. Why do you suppose they call it code? Surely because it is intended to encode something! === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Alternate databases?
I think there's a bit more to it than that. Consider the sentence (1) John saw the man with binoculars. On one level of analysis, I could translate this procedurally to something like Raise the tip of the tongue so that it lightly touches the alveolar ridge That level of description would be correct and interesting, but in a certain basic sense would completely miss the essence of (1). If the sentence is thought of the details of its articulation or, indeed, even as a sequence of phonemes, then we really gain relatively little insight into what it means (regardless of who has the binoculars). === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] How to remember last user input?
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the roll-n-scroll mode of VistA, Fileman has a way of remembering the user's last input and providing this as the default option. How do I do this? I am having the user pick a file, using a classic Fileman lookup: new DIC set DIC=1 set DIC(0)=AEQM do ^DIC write Y How would I have it default to the last choice? Thanks Kevin I've done this using a Kernel parameter. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] PCE namespace
--- Curtis Kropar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is actually OOPS ??? hahahaha I thought you were going to say the namespace for ASISTS was an abbreviated form of Automated Safety System Maybe that's why it's OOPS. Lesser of two evils, you know. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] HELP!! Expert Order checking is out of order
--- Matthew King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) How can I tell if PX*1. etc is installed? 2) I CHECKED THE ERROR trap not much there: 1 error logged on 6/7/2006 1) (UNDEF)FILE+7^OCXOCMP8 No screened error Enter '^' to quit listing, RETURN to continue...: Which error? 1 Process ID:() $ZE= FILE+7^OCXOCMP8, Undefined local variable: XCM,150373850,-%GTM-E-UNDEF %ZTER encountered an error while logging this error -- This may have caused some LOCAL VARIABLES to be lost. This error was: %ZTER error: ,M6,Z150373850,M6,Z150373850, Last Global Ref: ^%ZOSF(OS) That indicates a serious failure in Kernel itself that was sufficiently drastic (I almost said catastrophic, which is the usual terminology, but I didn't want you to panic) to keep Kernel from even being able to log the error. The error code Z150373850 is GT.M specific, and I have no idea what it means. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] HELP!! Expert Order checking is out of order
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think they are there and the XTER doesn't look to me like it has anything to do with it, so I have hit the wall for me, except maybe printing out the symbol table right after you get the message - ZW for Cache or ZWR fot GT.M I don't know about that. Take a look at the specific line of code where the UNDEF error occured. If the error wasn't handled properly, it could have taken down a Taskman process, leaving resource devices in an inconsistent state. Unfortunately, a lot of programmers are rather cavalier about guarding against errors (and will even argue that they should be!) There is also the possibility of data corruption. You might want to validate the (Fileman) file(s) involved. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] HELP!! Expert Order checking is out of order
--- Matthew King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reindexed the Clinical reminders. All 16 were successful without errors except ^PS(55, ... GLOBAL: ^PS(55, ENTRY: DFN=73745 D1=24913 Unit Dose missing start date GLOBAL: ^PS(55, ENTRY: DFN=73745 D1=24703 Unit Dose missing start date Here is a frequent message from the reminders: Index for file number 55NVA does not exist or is not complete. Term 0 will not be properly evaluated! Patient DFN=1, User DUZ=1, Reminder=113 Did you try Verify Fields? I kind of suspect that you have invalid data storerd in the global. As a general rule, when you see a lot of 0's, that's a good hint. There are many possibilities, such as a pointer field storing an external value, or a global write (or even a Fileman stuff) to the wrong location. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] HELP!! Expert Order checking is out of order
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, I don't have experience in this particular area, so just have looked superficially at these posts. But is it possible that the error wasn't logged because he came in via ^XUP instead of ^ZU. I have encountered ^XUP not being able to catch errors often. Kevin That's right. When you enter via ^ZU, the default error handler is set up, but not when you use ^XUP. But in this case, there was an attempt log an error that failed. That is what I was referring to. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] PCE namespace
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PX I like the namsepace for ASISTS better. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] PCE namespace
--- James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is that? Jim Well, okay, maybe like is the wrong word. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Importance of Open Source Software Underscored
--- Valerie Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The news article at http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/01/stories/2006060104180200.htm my be useful for the Hardhats page. Valerie Certainly, there must be some formal studies into cost of ownership. My own back of the envelope estimates indicate that maintaining a VistA system is by no means cheap. On the other hand, with a proprietary solution, you'll end up paying for the same thing in the form of licensing fees, support and upgrades. There doesn't seem to be any obvious way to estimate the difference in cost of ownership of comparable (whatever that means) open source and proprietary systems. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Importance of Open Source SoftwareUnderscored
--- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, the cost of ownership of commercial verses Open Source is a poor comparision. Maybe. It could also be true that the cost of ownership for open source is lower. That's nothing to complain about! But this analogy is certainly interesting: But here is a comparision of Open Source as compared to commercial solutions as it might be compared to buying or renting a home. 1) Commercial Offerrings are like renting at higher than mortgage rates. When you stop paying rent, they take the lodging away from you and all you have are rent receipts to show for it. Good point. Substitute lease for license and that's about it. But my point wasn't to debate the merits of open source -- really. Rather it was a methodological question: How do you establish the total cost of ownership for an open source product? Better yet, what can be done to reduce cost ownership? Some thoughts: + utilize open standards + release stable versions on a periodic basis + don't force people to perform unnecessary maintenance tasks + documnt carefully, and make that documentation available with the product + if possible, provide training opportunities + make it easy for knowledgeable users and developers to become involved in the development process + remember the principle of least surprise === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Importance of Open Source SoftwareUnderscored
--- Bill Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Woodhouse wrote: Certainly, there must be some formal studies into cost of ownership. Lots of them. Some more formal than others. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=q=tco+open+sourcebtnG=Search Best regards, Bill Thanks. I've only been able to skim somre of these links, but it seems that there are varying conclusions, though it's probably fair to say that a majority of these analyses conclude that the TCO of open source solutions is generally lower. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] worldvista membership from the front page
I bought software from a site taking payments through PayPal once. I doubt I ever will again, because what followed was a deluge of spam and phishing. Please consider finding another alternative. --- Fred Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am sure the person who controls worldvista.org listens. Could you please place a Paypal membership purchase link on the main page of worldvista? I am going to be running a donate to Free/Libre Medical Software campaign and a worldvista membership would be a great way for strangers to contribute to the VistA community, but currently the membership is a little bit buried. Regards, -- Fred Trotter SynSeer, Consultant http://www.fredtrotter.com http://www.synseer.com === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Changing files from one namespace and numberspace to another
--- James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the least risky way to change a set of files for your own package and convert them from one namespace and numberspace to another? I would create a new file and write a program to do a data conversion. Even more important - if you have KIDS builds created in one namespace/numberspace and want to apply them to the same filenames that exist in a different namespace and numberspace. What is the effective and safe way to do this? Copy, then edit and transport the distribution. Jim Gray === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Means Test
--- rama kishore sista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i wish to add a means test for a patient. when i am doing this one its giving this message. ... A means test can only be added for patients who require one. how can i add means test to a patient. if anyone know please help me. thanks in advance, kishore. You shouldn't need to enter a means test for any reason. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Changing files from one namespace and numberspace to another
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim; In the past, I have put the files into PACKAGE File Entry and then extract the package as a DIFROM package. ... Don't like KIDS, eh? DIFROM is the older release mechanism and has he advantage of being independent of Kernel. For example, if you were to install VistA from th ground up, you'd begin with Fileman, and then install a standalone mini-KIDS via DIFROM, and then use it to bootstrap your Kernel install. Once Kernel has been installed, you can pretty much use it for everything, but DIFROM is still available. The advantages of KIDS include the fact that it is much smarter about VistA components, giving you finer control of the install and better vertsion tracking. The disadvantage is that it's a bit more complicated, and you do end up creating BUILD and PACKAGE entries. So, if your goal is to surrepetitiously move data onto a system, it may not ber the tool for you. :-) === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Means Test
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg -- In India, at least when I was a child, and where health insurance didn't exist, physicians would frequently have tiered charges for patients based on their ability to pay. I suspect that is what Kishore is attempting to implement in VistA. -- Bhaskar I can appreciate that, but I'd strongly recommend developing a new module (and adding an appropriate patient type). This is one time when trying to modify the existing code just isn't the right thing to do. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] My Vista won't fit...
--- Jim Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What DO we want? Secure and robust software for healthcare that helps to lower the cost of healthcare while improving the quality of life for patients and doctors and support staff? ... Linux of itself may not be necessary, but in my understanding of things the principles and examples upon which it is based are. ... I certainly can't criticize anyone for choosing to focus their development efforts on Linux. We all have our own areas of expertise and interest, and there's nothing wrong with that. What I do find bothersome is the rhetoric criticizing people or companies *for not running Linux*. When you choose (for very valid reasons) to focus on one platform, you can hardly expect that everyone is going to be willing to adopt your solution. It's just the other side of the same coin. And that was my point: If you (plural) are interested in increasing acceptance and adoption of VistA, then you (again plural) need to be looking ast providing support for multiple platforms. But in no way do I mean to suggest that there is any reason a single developer or team should not choose to focus on Linux, Solaris, Java, OS X, or even Windows. That would make no more sense than criticizing a doctor for specializing in one field of medicine rather than another. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] GTM or Cache not responding to enter and then skipping the next option
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I recommend for people who need the most vt100 compatibility on Linux is pterm (puTTY on Linux). But if xterm works for you, I guess it may be time to move on and climb the next hill. -- Bhaskar FWIW, I was using OpenSSH on OS X and had no problems. Do you mean there's another hill? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] RPC broker call
--- James Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I have the picture now after reading the BDK documentation on the VA web site. Jim Is it difficult to balance on the VA web site? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] My Vista won't fit into larger hospital IT network
--- Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like an episode from the black and white version of the Twilight Zone I have never heard of IT migration planning based on a scorched earth model before. ... I must be missing something. Are they specifically excluding he use of *Linux* with VistA being a secondary casualty, or are they excluding the use of VistA? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] My Vista won't fit into larger hospital IT network
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the hospital is going to redo the network connections, bringing hospital-level security. Everything has to be standardized. And guess what? There is zero possibility that a linux server will be allowed on that network. ... As I said in my other response, I took this at face value and assumed that Linux was the disallowed OS. However, it is also not uncommon to disallow any server not run by IT, and that's really not so unreasonable. If Linux is the problem, why not run on Solaris or Windows, or whatever? But I suspect that Linux is not the problem. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Having problems?
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't heard much said against the move. Are we ready to move or do we need further discussion? Kevin As Greg Kreis said in an earlier post, the hardhats volunteers have been discussing this issue. More soon. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Having problems?
--- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not subscribed to the other VistA newsgroups (VOE), are they discussing this as well? Is this moving everyone and everything? David Sommers, Architect | Dialog Medical That is a separate group unrelated to Hardhats. The basic issue here is that Harhats pre-dates WorldVistA and it has always been the plan that it would focus on VistA infrastructure. When WorldVistA came along, the equation shifted somewhat, and thee was a need for a place to discuss application oriented issues, too. However, most of the people that would be interested in the new group/list were already on Harhats, and there has been considerable resistance to trying to split them. (It was even tried once, unsuccessfully.) A further complication is that, as you can see, many or most of the ostensibly application issues discussec on this list are rapidly shown to be infrastructure issues or questions in disguise. But there's something else to consider, too, and that is that there is a (small?) contingent of people on Hardhats that are ONLY interested in infrastructure and who find the remaining discussion distracting. It's a tricky problem. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Formating for Fileman Inquiry?
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to format the output of Fileman's inquiry? Read up on print templates. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Is there an interface with ...?
I see a lot of questions beginning with these few words, and I'm never quite sure how to respond. In another context, I'd respond with a question beginning What do you want it to do? Functional requirements or specifications are rarely discussed here, but before we can reasonably address the question of whether there is an interface between VistA and another product, it is crucial to first ask what problems that interface is intended to solve and what it is to do. To put it a bit more strongly, it is impossible to say whether or not an interface exists until we can clearly say what we mean by an interface, and that is a question that has not even been addressed much less answered. I haven't really raised this issue before (at least in so many words) because it sounds so formal and process-heavy when open source development is supposed to be agile. But it seems increasingly clear to me that a major impediment to progess is our inability to answer these basic sorts of questions. My view is that analysis and architecture are as crucial to the success of open source health information systems as they are to any other product, and yet these are areas that we consisently ignore. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] The Givers and Takers of Open Source
This is from today's ACM TechNews, see http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=187202790 for the full article. The Givers and Takers of Open Source InformationWeek (05/15/06)No. 1089, P. 44; Babcock, Charles The bulk of the work that goes into developing open-source software is left to uncompensated, mostly anonymous volunteer coders, while large companies to whom the software often plays a critical role could pull more weight by getting their own programmers to contribute. Apache Web Server project co-founder Brian Behlendorf partly attributes the comparatively low levels of corporate participation in open-source development to a cultural disparity: He says that whereas business programmers usually focus on the bottom line to the exclusion of all else, open-source developers have a willingness to challenge authority, the passion to work on an interesting problem well past the end of the workday, and the time and space to be able to build the right solution to a problem rather than just the most expedient. Another factor discouraging big companies from contributing to open source is their reluctance to cede the rights to the software they develop, as dictated by the General Public License. Open-source hard-liners may actually welcome the large companies' overall policy of non-involvement, as it alleviates fears that too much involvement could degrade the quality of open-source software. Open-source coders are often generalized into two categories: Core contributors who undertake big projects and tend to hail from small companies, universities, government agencies, and consulting firms; and large-company employees who are more proficient at spotting glitches, testing code, and suggesting patches and improvements. Many corporate open-source users obtain their software from commercial open-source vendors, which can chill the impulse for altruism. The blunt criticism open-source enthusiasts apply to each other's work, which is so critical to the software's quality, is a rarity in large companies. The potential for hobbyists to make money from their efforts is also growing, which will complicate matters unless the profit-driven open-source development model and the purist model can find a way to live together. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] EMRs gaining popularity among physicians
--- Jim Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An EMR certainly could take time away from physicians if it is poorly implemented ... The quality of the user interface obviously plays a significant part in that, but even more important is the overall synergy of the system, the possibility that redundant data entry could be essentially eliminated, that all relevant data in its most timely and legible form can be instantly available anywhere it is needed at any time, that it is no longer necessary to interrupt people in the labs for updates on critical results. Isn't this all part of good interface design? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may not be just Hardhats. I just got a Circuit City ad saying It's Mother Day Today. Maybe they didn't make enough money from the first one. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups
--- Cameron Schlehuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those capabilities existed earlier, but I just tried again to use the system with no success :( I haven't had any such problems. Does your return address match th delivery address? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Re: Managing large scale development
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the primary intent of the VistA Community Meeting is to provide opportunities for the members of the community to interact, what is planned for the session is what you and other members of the community want in that session. Actually, I don't plan to attend this meeting. Although I am not active in VistA development, let me hazard some guesses about the issues that need to be hashed out at the meeting: 1. Who should have the authority to make decisions about what makes it into the repository? How does the community decide who is a committer and who is not? That's a good question, and I don't think I have a very good answer. The group should be small and consist of people with real expertise in the area for which they are responsible. To some extent, I think such groups have been somewhat self-selecting. But VistA is different from most development efforts in that there is an existing body of code at the start. More typically, there is a small group of developers who built the product in the first place, and they form the natural core of the group of committers. 2. What procedures should be followed with respect to checking things into the repository? What criteria must be met before anything can be committed (design, code test reviiew requirements, minimum test coverage, functional documentation, etc.)? What are the commit requirements (check-in comment requiring tracking number, reviewer';s name, etc.)? I suspect developing a checklist wouldn't be too hard. The nastiest bit is likely tracking numbers because patches (in the VistA sense) only get sequence numbers after release. There is no formal mechanism for tracking changes to development versions of the software. However, I'd expect that the software used would provide this type of functionality. 3. How do we manage non-code aspects of version control (e.g,, using a code repository to track deltas in the database schema)? If KIDS is used, then this shouldn't be a problem, because it automatically includes updates to the database schema. The tricky thing, though, is that when checking out code, you don't get a build definition, so it's not clear how to connect before and after versions. Fileman does include version numbers for files, but this has traqditionally been used for the package number (e.g., Kernel 8.0) not the build number (a concept that doesn't yet exist in VistA). If it were me, I'd add a new node to the DD (and to other components) and use it to track build numbers. This would involve patches to Kernel and Fileman at a minimum. It also presents a problem for compatibility with the standard (VA) version of VistA unless the same mechanism is adopted. I am sure there are many more questions of this ilk that can be asked. No doubt. -- Bhaskar === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] DINUM-ish question
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to add a new record to file 50.67 (NDC/UPC) The .01 field has, in it's input transform set DINUM=X. My understanding of a DINUM record is that the .01 field=the record number (IEN) of the record. OK, so how do I add a NEW record to the file? TMGFDA(50.67,+1,,.01)=??? --- what goes here? TMGFDA(50.67,+1,,1)=Hello etc. do UPDATE^DIE(E,TMGFDA,TMGIEN,TMGMSG What value do I set the .01 field to? Thanks Kevin You need to be sure to specify that external values are processed (I think it's the E flag), otherwise this call will work like four slash stuff. Beyond that, the value shouldn't matter -- use . BTW, the four slash stuff is another thing that I almost consider a mis-feature of Fileman. At the very least, it is vastly overused. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] DINUM-ish question
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that it does not matter what value I put into the .01 field, and that it will be overwritten such that it stores the newly added records' IEN? Kevin Yes, except that I'm not sure that DINUM applies to DBS calls. An input transform works by setting X to the value that should be used (or killing it to reject the value entirely). However, you need to be careful and not supply input as an internal value, because then the input transform will not be applied. I've been kind of busy (working on a Java project) so I haven't had time to check the documentation for a more elegant solution, but you can also use a a dummy value and then make a second call to set it to the IEN. But you shouldn't need to do that, === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Healthcare solutions for Treo/Palm
Has anyone looked at http://www.palm.com/us/solutions/healthcare/ It caught my attention when I was looking for something else entirely. Better yet, has anyone *used* any of these tools? What do you think? BTW, I notice that on their developer site, Palm claims that they have a PalmOS implementation and developer tools in the works for Linux (look under Open Source). === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Conference call today?
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another example of a delayed message. JLZ sent this on Friday, May 12 at 11:53am Eastern time, but I received it only after 11am EDT on Tuesday, May 16. -- Bhaskar I received one message today from the 11th, but I hope things are back to normal. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] EMRs gaining popularity among physicians
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courtesy of Health IT Strategist: Ten years ago, Douglass Morrison, M.D., was none too enthusiastic about the electronic medical record being developed by the Veterans Affairs Department for use throughout its health system. I thought http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/electronic_medical_records.html -- Nancy Anthracite I guess I've been on the user interface bandwagon of late, but I do think that a well-designed user interface can go a long way toward getting past this hurdle (the perception - right or wrong - that EMRs take time away from treating patients). And it should go without saying that how well-designed a user interface might be is something very different from the underlying technology: you can have well-designed graphical user interfaces and poorly designed ones, well-designed text based interfaces and poorly designed ones, well-designed voice activated interfacesYou get the idea. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] CCHIT ~$28,000 fee opinion piece
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CCHIT fee a barrier to smaller EMR firms Unfortunately, by the time CCHIT is able to determine its process is hurting the small EMR companies, many will likely cease to exist, as these companies do not have the capital to survive the adverse market forces that will result from their failure to obtain certification. For full story, use link below: http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article.cms?articleId=39778 -- Nancy Anthracite What are the alternatives? If you think of this as one person's salary for 3 or 4 months, it doesn't seem excessive, but it's certainly more than anyone would pay without expecting some return on investment. for products that are not open source, it seems logical to cover it with a licensing fee to vendors, but who is going to pay the fee for an open source product? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Tao of VistA: If all you see is MUMPS, you see nothing. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] CCHIT ~$28,000 fee opinion piece
--- Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the concern is not just the one time fee from what I have heardthere is also a fee for using the certification label and the need to recertify down the road. A cursory look at the CCHIT web site doesn't tell me much about certification costs. Charging one fee for certification and then another to display a logo on a web site (or box) saying you are certified sounds a little surprising, but periodic recrtification seems like a natural requirement. In any event, I have the luxury of looking at this all as an academic issue. But it does seem to me health information systems are critical systems, and yes, it does make me uneasy that lives may depend on systems that have not been reviewed or certified in any way. I see the goal of Hardhats and WorldVistA as being the development of systems that are both affordable and of high quality. We need to take both seriously. That being said, I don't see certification (of any kind) as a panacea. It reminds of current practice in software development today, where products are basically handed off to another team for some level of testing and review. Trying to achieve quality through a process like this is well nigh impossible. I don't know what the answers are. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Tao of VistA: If all you see is MUMPS, you see nothing. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] This is the sort of thing that will make medical record adoption happen
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT how much do you bet that there will be multiple pay for performance standards so that it will cost docs buckets of money for doing local modifications to include the code necessary to support these initiatives? That's a tough one. If I had my way, local modifications would become a thing of the past, and interfaces and extensions would work solely through supported APIs or frameworks like HL7, CORBA or SOAP. But that kind of begs the question of what is being certified. If you develop an HL7 interface with another system, does your product become un-certified. I would not think so, but neither would your product's certification magically extend to other systems it touches. But then you need to ask the question of what effect such an interface could have on the product. It's not entirely unreasonable to say that full regression testing will be needed again. After all, if you update your database based on input from another system and that system is an unknown, well, what then. Then again, forget about interfaces with devices: you have users, and what they might type at a keyboard is unknown, too. It's not a simple question! As it is, even just within HHS initiatives there is both DOQIT and at least one other set of quality measures and they are just getting into this. Rhetorical question: Will it get worse or better? Rhetorical response: Isn't that kind of like asking whether the web will get bigger or smaller? Or whether entropy decreases over time? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Tao of VistA: If all you see is MUMPS, you see nothing. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
