Re: [H] USB boot

[Julian Hale]

Does it happen on *all* USB ports?  Have you tried plugging a drive 
into one of the main ports on the rear IO panel?  Are you plugging 
USB 1.1 devices into a USB 2 port?  Does it only happen with drives, 
or all USB devices (mouse, scanner, etc.)?


Julian

At 07:28 PM 12/2/2005, Winterlight wrote:

At 06:00 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
Sounds a lot like a BIOS problem.  Have you checked for updated 
bios for both boards?



yeah, I use the latest BIOS on all my boards

Re: [H] Machine, Animal, or Human...

[Julian Hale]

BS... this is just trying to pigeonhole people into one of three 
categories, and many people, myself included, usually don't fit well 
into any one category.  Also, it seems like whoever cooked this up is 
looking to classify those they don't agree with as non/sub 
human.  The history of the 20th century should be lesson enough to 
shout down anyone trying to label anyone as non/sub 
human.  212,000,000 million human beings were murdered by their own 
governments in the 20th century, because those people were considered 
less than human.  I *don't* want to see those same kind of numbers 
for this century.


Julian

At 06:42 AM 11/30/2005, Stan Zaske wrote:

There are 3 types of beings in this world:

The 1st type are the machine beings who live in their heads and in 
denial of their hearts. These are the people who are replacing human 
"checkouts" with automated "checkouts". They are the mathematicians, 
scientists, scholars, politicians, lawyers, journalists, doctors, 
priests, businessmen/women etc. These people are out of touch with 
themselves, don't want to know how you feel and live in denial of 
their own human reality. They have nothing but contempt for feelings 
and the gentler side of our nature. They try to pretend that our 
biology is somehow different or "divine" from the animal. The 
grittier aspects of waste removal and sexuality are things "we don't 
want to talk about".


At the opposite side of the spectrum are the animal beings who live 
exclusively in their emotional selves and in denial of their brains 
who base their lives and decisions on "what feels right" despite the 
fact that their decisions are largely "self-defeating" and 
"self-destructive". These beings are often characterized as having 
low "self-esteem", addictive personalities, endlessly pursue 
physical pleasure and even though they would not willingly give up 
the spoils of intellectual creativity and scientific achievement 
(the cars, the stereos, the drugs) they have nothing but contempt 
for machine beings characterizing them as "geeks", "dweebs" or 
"nerds" for their scholastic pursuits. These beings are fully in 
touch with their animal biology deriving great humor from jokes 
about flatulence, defecation and the full spectrum of sexual expression.


The 3rd type of being and throughout history the smallest percentage 
of the three strives toward "wisdom" which is the fusion of 
intelligence and emotion. These beings strive to use their brains in 
a manner that is consistent with "reality" and "function" while 
remaining in touch with their feelings. They ask themselves: why do 
I do this, why do I feel this way and is this the best way for me to 
live my life? Of the three types, these are the beings most closely 
associated with being "human". Of the three types, these beings are 
the least likely to believe in "certainty" because they know that 
there is no certainty. They live with the sure knowledge that there 
is no "perfection" and all we can do is "do our best" and "make the 
best of it". They pursue intellectual achievement and strive to 
understand our animus, our motivation, our behavior. They try to 
focus within as well as observe others in the attempt to understand 
themselves and what it means to be truly "human". Intelligence and 
feeling is what describes this smallest of minority beings on the 
planet and hopefully in the future, if our species matures, the 
majority of people can be characterized as truly "human" as they 
are! Happy Holidays everyone!

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:16 PM 12/2/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
ROTFL!  It's funny how everyone wants protection from spam, but 
nobody complains about the wild lying that goes on in TV commercials.


AOL has this new security center thing going on so what does MSFT do? 
They develop their own security center thing 
 
Windows One Care Live that's in public beta as we speak.



--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

[H] grreased again by MS

[FORC5]

Signed up in August to be a partner only to find out now the *annual* 
membership is calender Jan to Jan
bummer
:'(

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Some days, rocking a boat is the way to get things done.

Re: [H] USB boot

[Winterlight]

At 06:00 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
Sounds a lot like a BIOS problem.  Have you checked for updated bios for 
both boards?



yeah, I use the latest BIOS on all my boards

Re: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking for Recs

[Jim Edwards]

At 12/2/2005 08:56 AM, Steve Tomporowski wrote:
It's time for an upgrade and I'm looking into AMD motherboards.  I want to 
do SLI, but I probably won't do any overclocking.  What's a good 
motherboard?  My last motherboard was the MSI Neo3 Platinum and that's 
worked reasonably well.  I intent to get a dual core, so that comes into 
the mix.


Any recommendations?

ThanksSteve


This is what I got recently.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813128306
GIGABYTE GA-K8N-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
Got it on sale for 82 beens. Quick, easy install, zero hassles so far since 
11/20

[H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Chris Shaw]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:30:41 GMT
Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> At 11:40 PM 12/1/2005, warpmedia typed:
> >Hence the "easily", you are in a better position with terms stated 
> >in writing vs. verbal.
> 
> It's about establishing trust with the client. If the client doesn't 
> trust me then take it elsewhere & if I don't trust the client by 
> their attitude then I'll tell them to go elsewhere.  Even in this 
> cold, mean cruel world if a hand shake isn't good enough then I want 
> no part of it & will gladly go out of business.

This is EXACTLY the way I feel!! Thanks for bring it up I 
wish more had this integrity

> 
> >not being incorporated is MORE of a reason to write things down. =)
> 
>  From a legal perspective you are correct of course but I was 
> referring to an attorney that was part of the incorporation forcing 
> me to make the clients sign off on a disclaimer.
> 
> 
> --+--
> Wayne D. Johnson
> Ashland, OH, USA 44805
>  

-- 
C L Shaw <>< 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Chris Shaw]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:52:53 GMT
"Thane Sherrington (S)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> At 09:39 PM 01/12/2005, Chris Shaw wrote:
> >Has anyone offered something special to drum up new work, such as free AV 
> >&/or spyware scan on first visit?? If you have, what was the offer & how 
> >well did it work??
> 
> Offering something for free makes it worthless, doesn't it?  I mean, if 
> *you* think your service can be given away, then what is the customer 
> supposed to think?  I do free work for customers who are large, loyal 
> customers, but I never fall for the "Do this for me for free, and the next 
> computer I get, I'll get from you." because it's a lie.  They might not 
> realize they are lying when they say it, but less than 10% actually follow 
> through on their promise.
> 
> If your service is worth $100, then charge $100, and show the customer why 
> it's worth $100.
> 
> Otherwise, you end up being the lowballer who ruins the business for 
> everyone (and there's at least one of these in every town.)

I think you missed my point here. I have found that dropping off flyers in 
offices or stopping in at an office, introducing yourself, & leaving a card, 
won't necessarily pay off with a new customer. What I am talking about is doing 
the above but also tell them you will give them a "system evaluation" (possibly 
giving suggestions on how to improve their current system) & do a 
spyware/adware scan & removal for free just to get in the door & get them to 
maybe put your name on their Roledex for future problems. This costs less than 
any advertising, shows off you capabilities, gives them an idea of how they 
might improve their current systems, cleans off some of those "baddies", & 
mainly gets you in the door & talking to them about building a business 
relationship. All of this would take probably about 30 minutes. Timewise, it 
would probably be worth about $30 or $40 labor. So it wouldn't be much out of 
your pocket, but would do alot for getting a new client, if you take advantag!
 e of talking to them while the scan is running. They would feel like they got 
something for free, & you would be promoting your business. If you could 
mention that some businesses charge $50 or more to do something like this, then 
it would have a value. This would also impress the client that you are serious 
about getting their business.

I don't know, maybe my imagination is running wild. But I was trying to find 
out what some of you guys are doing to get more business, other than throwing 
money at advertising. Possibly if we all put our heads together, maybe we could 
come up with some ideas for this. I agree with Chuck that advertising in all of 
the local media isn't going to much other than making the advertisers rich.

As far as new builds go, I don't do much of this, but am open to it if some 
asks. I have found that servicing & upgrading present systems is more lucritive 
than trying to compete with Dell, HP, Sony, & all of those big guys. I KNOW I 
can build a better & more reliable system than they can, but they will most of 
the time beat you on price. I still feel like the "labor charge" is where the 
little guy can make a living.

Just my $.0002. I apologize if I offended anyone by 
"being the lowballer who ruins the business for 
everyone"!!!

> 
> T 

-- 
C L Shaw <>< 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Today is a moment for you to clip yet another strand from 
the rope of earth, so that when he returns you won't be tied up.

Re: [H] USB boot

[Julian Hale]

Sounds a lot like a BIOS problem.  Have you checked for updated bios 
for both boards?


Julian

At 12:13 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
I have two fairly modern workstations. One is based around a Asus PC 
DL Deluxe, and one is a Intel 865PERL. Both are around 18 months 
old, and come with at least six onboard USB2 ports.


 I can't boot off any USB flash drive, or even leave a USB drive 
connected during a boot up, and I can't figure out why. I have all 
USB options enabled in the BIOS. I have no problems using USB in 
Windows. However, if I inadvertently even leave a USB drive in the 
port, and powered up during a reboot, my PCs will hang during POST, 
and I don't mean from a non bootable disk error. I mean they just 
hang solid. If this only happened on one PC I would suspect that 
motherboard but not on both.


I boot from the same USB drives all the time on my Thinkpad ... so 
what am I doing wrong on the Workstations?

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[James Boswell]

On 3 Dec 2005, at 00:12:480, Hayes Elkins wrote:


From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs.  
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:52:04 +


Good point, the centrino branding is probably quite the  
moneyspinner  for them.


If I am not mistaken, this is the first year that Intel based  
notebooks outsold Intel based desktops. I don't think Intel is  
crying too much over AMD's pyrrhic victory in the desktop segment  
when they have shifted most of their business to focus on a  
lucrative mobile market.


AMD outsold intel in the retail desktops segment for the past few  
quarters as I recall, Although I think Intels biggest worry about AMD  
is the server segment though, they're starting to get some proper  
recognition there, hell, Ebay just announced they were moving over to  
a cluster of a few hundred Sun rigs with Opterons in them add  
that in with FAB36 coming online and AMD actually having CAPACITY  
with which to make things... and.. well if Ebay and Sun are taking  
you seriously, you've already made a big impact,



My main hope is that Intel don't squash AMD like a bug, and it looks  
like AMD will maintain their interconnect advantage, this is actually  
a good thing, because it gives AMD a chance to rejig their core and  
give us (the end user) some tit for tat performance/price wars,  
rather than getting swatted like flies and having no response and new  
chips from intel being stupidly overpriced...


Oh, one thing that should be interesting in the 06/07 timeframe, FB- 
Dimm.. which, more or less means Intel will be on an integrated  
memory controller, it'll just have a cascade based approach to it..  
sorta...



We live in interesting times.

-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking for Recs

[Brian Weeden]

I have the same - great so far.

On 12/2/05, Mark Dodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I got the Epox 9NPA Ultra non SLI highly recommended by Anand and from Chris
> here on the list, have not had the chance to convert my system yet.
>
>
> Mark Dodge
> MD Computers
> 360-772-2433
>
>
>
>  
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Steve Tomporowski
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:56 AM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking for Recs
>
>
>
> It's time for an upgrade and I'm looking into AMD motherboards.  I want to
> do SLI, but I probably won't do any overclocking.  What's a good
> motherboard?  My last motherboard was the MSI Neo3 Platinum and that's
> worked reasonably well.  I intent to get a dual core, so that comes into the
> mix.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> ThanksSteve


--
Brian

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Hayes Elkins]

From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. 
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 23:52:04 +


Good point, the centrino branding is probably quite the moneyspinner  for 
them.


If I am not mistaken, this is the first year that Intel based notebooks 
outsold Intel based desktops. I don't think Intel is crying too much over 
AMD's pyrrhic victory in the desktop segment when they have shifted most of 
their business to focus on a lucrative mobile market.

RE: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking for Recs

[Mark Dodge]

I got the Epox 9NPA Ultra non SLI highly recommended by 
Anand and from Chris here on the list, have not had the chance to convert my 
system yet.
 
Mark DodgeMD Computers360-772-2433 
 

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve 
  TomporowskiSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:56 AMTo: 
  The Hardware ListSubject: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking 
  for Recs
  
  It's time for an upgrade and I'm looking into AMD motherboards.  I 
  want to do SLI, but I probably won't do any overclocking.  What's a good 
  motherboard?  My last motherboard was the MSI Neo3 Platinum and that's 
  worked reasonably well.  I intent to get a dual core, so that comes into 
  the mix. 
   
  Any recommendations?
   
  ThanksSteve

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[James Boswell]

On 2 Dec 2005, at 22:59:460, Hayes Elkins wrote:






From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs.  
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:38:19 +

865 was culled because it was old, the rest were absolute bottom  
end,  you can put money on them selling boatloads of i945  
chipsets, i955X  chipsets, and the forthcoming i975 chipset  
though... and that's where  the money is, in the middle ground  
where the volumes are high and the  margins aren't pitiful.


You want to supply a link showing that the 945, 955 and 975  
chipsets make up the bulk of their sales this year? They certainly  
are higher margin, but I would not call them "high volume" just  
yet. The majority of Intel desktops sold this year did not have any  
of these chipsets.


The majority of the money almost certainly comes from the 945/955/975  
because they haven't given up on them, basic logic is enough for me  
to deduce that, they make money on them, they don't on the low end  
chipsets, ergo the low end chipsets get culled.


I fail to see how you're corroborating 'they cull a bunch of low  
end  products' with 'they only make money on mobile chipsets' Hayes.


Actually the corroboration makes perfect sense to somebody with  
reading comprehension. Intel makes very little profit on low end  
chipsets that happen make up a huge share of their total shipments.  
They'd rather shift their manufacturing capacity towards more  
profitable chipset products. Their highest margin chipset BY FAR  
today is their PM chipset as they can charge a premium and get away  
with it. They can not do so in a market saturated with competing  
VIA, SiS, and NVIDIA products.


Good point, the centrino branding is probably quite the moneyspinner  
for them.


anyway, the reason for not integrating a memory controller is likely  
to be internal politics as much as anything, product subdivision  
management wanting to keep their jobs springs to mind.


-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] Laptop auto stand

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:10 PM 12/2/2005, Winterlight typed:
This is what I would like... I just haven't decided if I want to 
spend 2-300 for something I am not going to use that often.


I certainly can understand that. I could slide my seat back & use it 
on my lap for the amount of time I use mine in my car or truck.



--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Hayes Elkins]

From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. 
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:38:19 +

865 was culled because it was old, the rest were absolute bottom end,  you 
can put money on them selling boatloads of i945 chipsets, i955X  chipsets, 
and the forthcoming i975 chipset though... and that's where  the money is, 
in the middle ground where the volumes are high and the  margins aren't 
pitiful.


You want to supply a link showing that the 945, 955 and 975 chipsets make up 
the bulk of their sales this year? They certainly are higher margin, but I 
would not call them "high volume" just yet. The majority of Intel desktops 
sold this year did not have any of these chipsets.


I fail to see how you're corroborating 'they cull a bunch of low end  
products' with 'they only make money on mobile chipsets' Hayes.


Actually the corroboration makes perfect sense to somebody with reading 
comprehension. Intel makes very little profit on low end chipsets that 
happen make up a huge share of their total shipments. They'd rather shift 
their manufacturing capacity towards more profitable chipset products. Their 
highest margin chipset BY FAR today is their PM chipset as they can charge a 
premium and get away with it. They can not do so in a market saturated with 
competing VIA, SiS, and NVIDIA products.

Re: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking for Recs

[Veech]

Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe seems to be the preferred 
model.  PC Gamer used it recently in it's recent picture-book "how to 
build a PC" article.  Many folks seem to recommend it on Anand's forum as 
well.  I plan to buy it when I do my upgrade soon.
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Tomporowski 
  To: The Hardware List 
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:56 
  AM
  Subject: [H] Again - Best Motherboard - 
  Looking for Recs
  
  It's time for an upgrade and I'm looking into AMD motherboards.  I 
  want to do SLI, but I probably won't do any overclocking.  What's a good 
  motherboard?  My last motherboard was the MSI Neo3 Platinum and that's 
  worked reasonably well.  I intent to get a dual core, so that comes into 
  the mix. 
   
  Any recommendations?
   
  ThanksSteve

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[James Boswell]

865 was culled because it was old, the rest were absolute bottom end,  
you can put money on them selling boatloads of i945 chipsets, i955X  
chipsets, and the forthcoming i975 chipset though... and that's where  
the money is, in the middle ground where the volumes are high and the  
margins aren't pitiful.


I fail to see how you're corroborating 'they cull a bunch of low end  
products' with 'they only make money on mobile chipsets' Hayes.


On 2 Dec 2005, at 21:27:450, Hayes Elkins wrote:


http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20050804085818.html

Their only real money maker are notebook chipsets.

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Hayes Elkins]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20050804085818.html

Their only real money maker are notebook chipsets.


From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. 
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:33:53 +

that's because the volume isn't there, you can't seriously tell me  they 
don't make a healthy profit from all the chipsets they sell to  Dell?



On 2 Dec 2005, at 20:11:480, Hayes Elkins wrote:

Intel makes very little profit on it's chipsets. I think they have  
stopped altogether on enterprise server chipsets and let broadcom/ 
serverworks handle those.




From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs.  
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:21:25 +


On 2 Dec 2005, at 16:35:230, Hayes Elkins wrote:

But still not integrated memory controller (at least for the   desktop 
and mobiles, not sure of the server version). Why?



Ah, that's because they make oodles of money selling chipsets.

though quite what's stopping them selling chipsets that don't  have  
memory controllers is beyond me.


-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]








-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] Laptop auto stand

[Winterlight]

I'd be interested in checking out any URLs for other types as well.
---+--
   Wayne D. Johnson



the most inexpensive ones are on Ebay

http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?sofocus=bs&satitle=laptop+auto+mount&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC5&from=R7&nojspr=y&pfid=0&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&fcl=3&frpp=50

and this is the most impressive one which is probably targeted to industry 
and government


http://www.ram-mount.com/laptop_mount/ramvbd122sw1_laptop_desk.htm

and you can get a quick release mount for it. This is what I would like... 
I just haven't decided if I want to spend 2-300 for something I am not 
going to use that often.

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[warpmedia]

Sometimes a mobo swap can bite you in the ass when the OS balks at the 
changes also.


Assuming $60/$80, $70/$70 mobo/labor that's not a bad deal for you or 
them as long as that's all it takes labor wise.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Total loss! It took me 30 minutes to change his motherbord while he 
waited and watched. His bill? $140.00 including labor. This is not a 
typo. It is one hundred and forty U.S. dollars.

Re: [H] Laptop auto stand

[Wayne Johnson]

At 03:32 PM 12/2/2005, Winterlight typed:
I want to get a laptop auto stand to put in my Toyota Tachoma. I see 
them for a cheap as 20 bucks on Ebay which looks like it is made out 
of painted steel 1/2 inch steal pipe and as expensive as two hundred 
bucks for something you might see in a emergency vehicle. Ebay also 
has some in the 80 to 100 dollar range that look OK.


Because it is a two passenger truck I need to be able to remove it 
easily, or at least get it out of the way so my dog, or a passenger 
can ride safely and comfortable. Anybody have experience with these? 
Can someone give me some advice on what to buy, and not to buy?


I've seen this stand that clips onto the topside of ones steering 
wheel so if you have an adjustable steering wheel it can be nice for 
short bits of typing but I sure wouldn't want to do any long amount 
of typing this way & it is of course not for use while driving but it 
wouldn't surprise me to see some one try that.


I'd be interested in checking out any URLs for other types as well.

TTL


--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[James Boswell]

that's because the volume isn't there, you can't seriously tell me  
they don't make a healthy profit from all the chipsets they sell to  
Dell?



On 2 Dec 2005, at 20:11:480, Hayes Elkins wrote:

Intel makes very little profit on it's chipsets. I think they have  
stopped altogether on enterprise server chipsets and let broadcom/ 
serverworks handle those.




From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs.  
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:21:25 +


On 2 Dec 2005, at 16:35:230, Hayes Elkins wrote:

But still not integrated memory controller (at least for the   
desktop and mobiles, not sure of the server version). Why?



Ah, that's because they make oodles of money selling chipsets.

though quite what's stopping them selling chipsets that don't  
have  memory controllers is beyond me.


-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]








-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[H] Laptop auto stand

[Winterlight]

I want to get a laptop auto stand to put in my Toyota Tachoma. I see them 
for a cheap as 20 bucks on Ebay which looks like it is made out of painted 
steel 1/2 inch steal pipe and as expensive as two hundred bucks for 
something you might see in a emergency vehicle. Ebay also has some in the 
80 to 100 dollar range that look OK.


Because it is a two passenger truck I need to be able to remove it easily, 
or at least get it out of the way so my dog, or a passenger can ride safely 
and comfortable. Anybody have experience with these? Can someone give me 
some advice on what to buy, and not to buy?


thanks

[H] USB boot

[Winterlight]

I have two fairly modern workstations. One is based around a Asus PC DL 
Deluxe, and one is a Intel 865PERL. Both are around 18 months old, and come 
with at least six onboard USB2 ports.


 I can't boot off any USB flash drive, or even leave a USB drive connected 
during a boot up, and I can't figure out why. I have all USB options 
enabled in the BIOS. I have no problems using USB in Windows. However, if I 
inadvertently even leave a USB drive in the port, and powered up during a 
reboot, my PCs will hang during POST, and I don't mean from a non bootable 
disk error. I mean they just hang solid. If this only happened on one PC I 
would suspect that motherboard but not on both.


I boot from the same USB drives all the time on my Thinkpad ... so what am 
I doing wrong on the Workstations?
 

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Hayes Elkins]

Intel makes very little profit on it's chipsets. I think they have stopped 
altogether on enterprise server chipsets and let broadcom/serverworks handle 
those.




From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. 
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:21:25 +


On 2 Dec 2005, at 16:35:230, Hayes Elkins wrote:

But still not integrated memory controller (at least for the  desktop and 
mobiles, not sure of the server version). Why?



Ah, that's because they make oodles of money selling chipsets.

though quite what's stopping them selling chipsets that don't have  memory 
controllers is beyond me.


-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[James Boswell]

On 2 Dec 2005, at 16:35:230, Hayes Elkins wrote:

But still not integrated memory controller (at least for the  
desktop and mobiles, not sure of the server version). Why?



Ah, that's because they make oodles of money selling chipsets.

though quite what's stopping them selling chipsets that don't have  
memory controllers is beyond me.


-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual CoreIntel

[James Boswell]

Intel have an ultra low leakage 65nm process, 1/1000th of the leakage  
of the 'regular' process, at the cost of around 40% of the cycle time  
for the transistors.


If Conroe hits 2.8Ghz, that means ULV use-practically-no-power-at-all  
Meroms at ~2Ghz, and that should be scary fast, since it's 4-issue  
and they don't appear to have made any stupid design choices...


Of course, what I really want, is a Woodcrest made on that process,  
muhahaha


Either way, I, for one, look forward to the June/July Powerbook  
updates :p


On 2 Dec 2005, at 16:28:560, Hayes Elkins wrote:

"Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest will deliver 5, 65 and 80 watts  
respectively for the notebook, the desktop and the server chips."


Good to hear. 5w must be the super-duper-battery-saving-slowest-mhz  
mode on a Merom based notebook. No hyperthreading either, just a  
dual core - fine by me.


I assume there are quite a few former intel employees, be they  
engineers or execs, who pushed the P4 bandwagon.



-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

At 01:31 PM 02/12/2005, Chris Shaw wrote:
I have the answer to all of this. Tell your customer to join AOL. They 
have protection against virus', spyware, & adware. They can scan your 
system for ANY hardware or software problem. They are virtually a fortress 
with built-in repair technologies that AOL's top technicians invented. You 
will never have anymore problems when you join AOL!! They can even protect 
against pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, hangnails, dry skin, 
parking & speeding tickets.


I know this for a fact because their advertisements say so


ROTFL!  It's funny how everyone wants protection from spam, but nobody 
complains about the wild lying that goes on in TV commercials.


T 

[H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Chris Shaw]

I have the answer to all of this. Tell your customer to join AOL. They have 
protection against virus', spyware, & adware. They can scan your system for ANY 
hardware or software problem. They are virtually a fortress with built-in 
repair technologies that AOL's top technicians invented. You will never have 
anymore problems when you join AOL!! They can even protect against pregnancy, 
sexually transmitted diseases, hangnails, dry skin, parking & speeding tickets.

I know this for a fact because their advertisements say so

AND they can even protect you against false advertisements.

;

On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:00:05 GMT
warpmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hence the "easily", you are in a better position with terms stated in 
> writing vs. verbal.
> 
> Your right, if your getting by without written terms & not having 
> problems why worry about it although liability wise, not being 
> incorporated is MORE of a reason to write things down. =)
> 
> Wayne Johnson wrote:
> > At 09:49 PM 12/1/2005, warpmedia typed:
> > 
> >> If you don't make don't sign a release with terms, you easily can be 
> >> sued & loose.
> > 
> > 
> > Hey, even if I put things down on paper I still can be sued & lose.
> > 
> >> You should at least put down on paper what you do say & have them sign 
> >> that they have been advised of your terms.
> > 
> > 
> > If I ever incorporate I may have to but until then I'll just treat 
> > people the way I would like to be treated.
> > 
> > 
> > --+--
> >Wayne D. Johnson
> > Ashland, OH, USA 44805
> > 
> > 

-- 
C L Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Today is a moment for you to clip yet another strand
from the rope of earth so that when he returns you won't be tied up.

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Hayes Elkins]

But still not integrated memory controller (at least for the desktop and 
mobiles, not sure of the server version). Why?




From: "Hayes Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. 
DualCoreIntel

Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:28:56 -0500

"Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest will deliver 5, 65 and 80 watts respectively 
for the notebook, the desktop and the server chips."


Good to hear. 5w must be the super-duper-battery-saving-slowest-mhz mode on 
a Merom based notebook. No hyperthreading either, just a dual core - fine 
by me.


I assume there are quite a few former intel employees, be they engineers or 
execs, who pushed the P4 bandwagon.




From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual 
CoreIntel

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:59:31 +

Um Hayes, they are doing that.

reference: Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest

64bit 65nm chips due in the middle of '06, 14 stage pipelines, 2-3Ghz  
clocks, 4-issue dispatch! (A64s are 3 issue, G5s are 3+branch, P4's  are 
2-issue)


Pentium M is P3 derived, and lacks the 64bitness, rather that futz  around 
giving it a 64bit overhaul, they're designing something based  on a 
similar philosophy from the ground up..


On 1 Dec 2005, at 18:50:280, Hayes Elkins wrote:

It's very clear that intel has abandoned trying to get better  
performance per mhz out of each core for both the desktop and  server - 
and instead trying to max out the supporting cast of  interconnects, 
busses, and other I/O. The new Xeon's that intel is  touting are nothing 
more than shrunken cores of the same lame ass  P4 cores from almost 2 
years ago.


What is very puzzling is that their Pentium M (a hybrid of the PIII  and 
IV) is their fastest per mhz CPU - ever. Even faster than an FX  in a few 
cases. Why they dont switch back to a shorter pipeline  design for their 
mainstream CPU's now that the fab's are available  to crank out the mhz?


The mhz race is about to come dangerously close when AMD puts out a  true 
3Ghz CPU. Which of course just OBLITERATES any intel offering.



From: CW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual  Core 
Intel

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:06 -0600

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-9.html?tag=btn

Interesting.  The ref would have stopped the fight in the real world.





-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual CoreIntel

[Hayes Elkins]

"Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest will deliver 5, 65 and 80 watts respectively 
for the notebook, the desktop and the server chips."


Good to hear. 5w must be the super-duper-battery-saving-slowest-mhz mode on 
a Merom based notebook. No hyperthreading either, just a dual core - fine by 
me.


I assume there are quite a few former intel employees, be they engineers or 
execs, who pushed the P4 bandwagon.




From: James Boswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual 
CoreIntel

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:59:31 +

Um Hayes, they are doing that.

reference: Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest

64bit 65nm chips due in the middle of '06, 14 stage pipelines, 2-3Ghz  
clocks, 4-issue dispatch! (A64s are 3 issue, G5s are 3+branch, P4's  are 
2-issue)


Pentium M is P3 derived, and lacks the 64bitness, rather that futz  around 
giving it a 64bit overhaul, they're designing something based  on a similar 
philosophy from the ground up..


On 1 Dec 2005, at 18:50:280, Hayes Elkins wrote:

It's very clear that intel has abandoned trying to get better  performance 
per mhz out of each core for both the desktop and  server - and instead 
trying to max out the supporting cast of  interconnects, busses, and other 
I/O. The new Xeon's that intel is  touting are nothing more than shrunken 
cores of the same lame ass  P4 cores from almost 2 years ago.


What is very puzzling is that their Pentium M (a hybrid of the PIII  and 
IV) is their fastest per mhz CPU - ever. Even faster than an FX  in a few 
cases. Why they dont switch back to a shorter pipeline  design for their 
mainstream CPU's now that the fab's are available  to crank out the mhz?


The mhz race is about to come dangerously close when AMD puts out a  true 
3Ghz CPU. Which of course just OBLITERATES any intel offering.



From: CW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual  Core 
Intel

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:43:06 -0600

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-9.html?tag=btn

Interesting.  The ref would have stopped the fight in the real world.





-_-_
James Boswell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ : 1653327 | AIM : TorazChryx
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[H] Anyone want to swap games?

[Don Couture]

I picked up Call of Duty 2 on Tuesday and ran through it in a couple
days.
Anyone have any of the newer first person shooters they would like to
trade for it?

I like the single person campaign shooters as some days I just can't
stomach getting online with all the kiddies for multiplayer action.

Games I want to try include:
Gun
Brothers in Arms

Basically anything with a good single player campaign.

Don

[H] Again - Best Motherboard - Looking for Recs

[Steve Tomporowski]

It's time for an upgrade and I'm looking into AMD motherboards.  I want to do SLI, but I probably won't do any overclocking.  What's a good motherboard?  My last motherboard was the MSI Neo3 Platinum and that's worked reasonably well.  I intent to get a dual core, so that comes into the mix.

 
Any recommendations?
 
ThanksSteve

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:40 PM 12/1/2005, warpmedia typed:
Hence the "easily", you are in a better position with terms stated 
in writing vs. verbal.


It's about establishing trust with the client. If the client doesn't 
trust me then take it elsewhere & if I don't trust the client by 
their attitude then I'll tell them to go elsewhere.  Even in this 
cold, mean cruel world if a hand shake isn't good enough then I want 
no part of it & will gladly go out of business.



not being incorporated is MORE of a reason to write things down. =)


From a legal perspective you are correct of course but I was 
referring to an attorney that was part of the incorporation forcing 
me to make the clients sign off on a disclaimer.



--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Chris Reeves]

> 3800+ X2 isn't a laptop chip?, and Yonahs due Q106, probably towards
> the beginning of it, there are even noises abound we'll see
> an x86 mac with one in it in January

Intel will announce and start shipping Jan 1, correct.  But here's the list
that went to Channel partners:

 http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27770

Which puts the 2.16G, which is slightly slower then the AMD 3800+ X2 at
around twice the price.

> Also, from my own sources at Intel, the current Yonahs are
> being massively underbinned, probably to maintain ROI, the
> word is that the actual yields on them are closer to a
> 2.6-2.7Ghz median, with occasional 3Ghz batches, they might
> be a mighty fine chip for the 'wants a fast quiet rig and
> isn't afraid of a little overclocking' 
> brigade. and I mean, really seriously mighty fine. 

That would be very good news.  Intel is large enough with enough resources
that although they have fumbled the ball for the last year or so, I have
full expectations they should be able to re-catch AMD or come out with a
real homerun.  Right now, because Intel is marketing the chipset for Yonah
at the laptop "entertainment" (PVR/MCE) market, as well as the socket
difference, it'll be a bit.

I do find it interesting that they go to all the effort of LGA-775 only to
turn around with this chip and go back to an FPGA.  *shrug*  :)


I think Merom could be a homerun for intel later in the year.  Time will
tell.

CW

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Thane Sherrington (S)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs


fix it" and "You decided not to fix it."  For instance, a computer came 
into my shop with bad capacitors.  Every other shop in town doesn't know a 
bad cap if it mugged them, so the customer had been told that the entire 
computer had to be replaced.  I took a look, saw the bad caps, tested the


Isn't that just terrible!? Total loss because motherboard is bad. Two nights 
ago a customer of mine came in with a toasted motherboard on a computer I 
had built for him. His cable was not grounded and it got fried via the 
onboard NIC. I hope he pushes the cable company to pay for it.


Total loss! It took me 30 minutes to change his motherbord while he waited 
and watched. His bill? $140.00 including labor. This is not a typo. It is 
one hundred and forty U.S. dollars.


Total loss for some, but not for my customers!

I wish everybody would right now call the person they bought their computer 
from and ask how much a motherboard replacement is and how long it will take 
to have it done. My method may not be cost effective as replacing a bad 
capacitor, but it far more cost effecive and more quickly done than over 99% 
of motherboard jobs in the U.S. I feel.


Chuck 

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[Greg Sevart]

Yes, but Yonah and later PM cores have an extra 4-cycle latency on  the 
L2 cache. Hopefully, this can be disabled at willit comes  from the 
core's ability to shut down cache areas that aren't needed  and flush 
contents to memory.
This does necessarily hurt the performance per MHz, but it is still  very 
competitive.



Greg


There is no 'later' P-M core than Yonah, Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest are 
ground up designs built around a performance/watt approach, hopefully 
they realise that they were on to a good thing with Prescotts branch 
predictor though. (seriously, that it keeps up with Northwood EVER is 
testament to that.)




Technically, yes, but Merom/Conroe/Etc are still P-M "inspired". I have to 
think that at least some parts of the chip were copied/pasted from P-M 
designs, even if tweaked. There is a longer product development cycle on a 
completely and totally new "don't even look at the designs of the old" core 
than what we're seeing with these new cores.


No sense re-inventing the wheel on the parts that worked really well. :)

Greg

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs




Hey, even if I put things down on paper I still can be sued & lose.



If we ever get enough equity in our house to own more than the doorknobs, I 
may incorporate, also.


Sorry. That is old information. Last time I checked, we own the doors, also.

Chuck 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "warpmedia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs




This Is why on repairs I liked to have customers buy the parts & I just 
charged for the service of installing & setting up. No part profit but no 
support cost either. If it fails, call the manufacturer's monkey or pay me 
to.




Now you may see why I apply this to new builds, also. I love for the 
customer to feel like a team member on the parts procurement team. I have to 
eat the labor if any part I sell fails within warranty. You had better have 
a little profit margin built into all parts you sell to cover some of this.


Chuck 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "warpmedia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs


If you don't make don't sign a release with terms, you easily can be sued 
& loose. You should at least put down on paper what you do say & have them 
sign that they have been advised of your terms.




AMEN!!!


Andrews Computer Services 229 435-4293

Terms of Service



While I endeavor to offer service of the highest quality, I am from time to 
time faced with situations that are beyond my control. Please be aware of 
the following:


A.  Electronic equipment may fail at any time without any warning. I use 
state-of-the-art repair techniques and stand firmly behind my work and 
workmanship; however, power supply units, motherboards, CPU's, RAM, video 
cards, modems, sound cards, hard drives, floppy drives, CD ROMS and other 
parts may fail while in my care. Should this occur I will inform you and we 
will discuss the situation to determine how we should proceed. It is an 
axiom in the industry that it is not if a hard drive will fail but when.


B.  Unless other arrangements are made you are solely responsible for all 
programs and more importantly, all data stored on your computer. Please back 
up all data before any scheduled work begins.




C.  Sometimes, in order for your system to be put back in proper operating 
condition, it may be necessary to reload the existing software.  While I 
will do everything possible to ensure that your computer functions exactly 
the same way when I return it to you as it did when you sent it to me, some 
of your personalized settings in your applications may be reset to the 
default settings.


Also, computer software may be copyrighted intellectual property.  Please do 
not ask me to provide copies of copyrighted software.  If you wish to have 
copyrighted software re-installed, you must supply me with the original 
software and proof of your right to use that software, such as a product 
key.


I thank you for your attention to these conditions. As you know, my fees and 
charges for parts are very reasonable, in most cases the lowest in the area. 
I cannot and will not bear the expense of replacing components that start 
malfunctioning or quit working while your computer is in my care.


Customer owned or furnished components: I have to charge for my time in 
attempting to get your components to work, even if I am unsuccessful. Many 
customer owned components simply will not work in the computer they are in 
at a particular time. This is especially true with cheap and inferior 
components that are found in many computers.




By my signature, below, I acknowledge the terms of all services offered by 
Andrews Computer Services and I give Andrews Computer services permission to 
work on my computer.




Signed this Day of ___, 20_





___

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "warpmedia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs


The man is a moron and is trying to get you to take responsibility for his 
inactions. Dell won't do it, Abu down the block won't do it, why


Dell may have reached the same conclusion that many of us have. The proof is 
in the pudding. To me it is very simple. I take a computer with messed up 
Windows and either ghost back a clone or format and reinstall. If the thing 
lives through all of the stress of the installs, the updates, the virus and 
adware scans, the defragmenting along with 30+ reboots involved, the problem 
is not hardware related. Case closed! Literally! Put the screws back in and 
set it on the ready shelf for a C.O.D. pick up.


If bad hardware or screwed up settings in the BIOS is the problem, it will 
ruin Windows quickly, long before you get through with 3 hours of work.


Chuck 

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs


Has anyone offered something special to drum up new work, such as free AV 
&/or spyware scan on first visit?? If you   > have, what was the offer & 
how well did it work??




I have paid thousands of dollars in advertising to drum up new business and 
I can report the following from 8 years of experience:


Display ads do not work, period! New builds or service. Tried and failed 
miserably newspaper ads, those free advertising newsletter ads, ads in movie 
schedules given out at the movie theatre, business cards inserted into 
packets given to all who apply at a bank for new mortgages, billboards and 
any other display type ad I could think of over 8 years. If I got any 
response out of any ad campaign it was one or two phone calls.


Television and radio do not work. No calls, period from these.

The Real Yellow Pages - Works great for service ads. Under "New Computers" 
my ad dominated that section for a year. I may have gotten 3 calls the 
entire year. People have the mindset to not have a computer built. Some of 
my customers have actually lost friends over this, pushing the idea of their 
friends having one built after seeing theirs. So if you are going into the 
Real Yellow Pages, forget "New Computers." Advertise under "Computer 
Service." If you make an excellent presentation to each service coustomer 
who comes in for the need to have their next computer built, one out of 10 
will eventually have you build them a new computer.


I am convinced that the highly paid and respected corporate computer 
technicians steer people away from custom built computers because they know 
that most are butcher built. "Are you talking about ME?" you may ask if you 
custom built for hire. Pick your spot. If you build them right and do not 
buy low, butcher build and sell high, you are in the far less than 10% of 
those who build for hire. Build for HIRE? Yes, I build for hire. You may 
build to sell. What is the difference? I provide a line item quote. Who else 
does that? If my customer can find a replacement component that meets my 
standards at a lower price I welcome them to buy it and bring it to me to 
include in their new computer. LABOR is the line item that ensures I am paid 
to build the new computer.


Before you slam me for opening up this keg or worms again, yall started it 
over in the service thread by asking or saying, "Has anyone offered 
something special to drum up new work"


All I am doing is asking you to include new builds as a service in this 
discussion. Let's brainstorm in that area of advertising, also.


For those of you who are like a local computer service center here in 
Albany, GA who advertises that they are a Hewlett Packard Authorized Service 
Center, the new builds aspect of this may not apply. Some of you do not 
build but prefer to sell name brand computers and do service.


You may conclude as I have that the white box butchers have ruined our 
reputation so badly we can never overcome it.


Chuck

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

At 09:39 PM 01/12/2005, Chris Shaw wrote:
Has anyone offered something special to drum up new work, such as free AV 
&/or spyware scan on first visit?? If you have, what was the offer & how 
well did it work??


Thinking about this a bit further, I do recommend taking the risk away from 
the customer.  So offering a guarantee like "If I can't fix it, it's free" 
is worthwhile.  But remember that there is a difference between "I can't 
fix it" and "You decided not to fix it."  For instance, a computer came 
into my shop with bad capacitors.  Every other shop in town doesn't know a 
bad cap if it mugged them, so the customer had been told that the entire 
computer had to be replaced.  I took a look, saw the bad caps, tested the 
system, found that it was unstable (but that the hard drive, RAM and CPU 
were fine) and told them that they needed to replace the caps, and gave 
them my price ($59.)  They didn't want to pay to fix the machine, so 
decided to take it broken.  I charged them $39 (my base checkup rate) and 
when they said "but you didn't fix anything" I told them, "That's true, but 
my guarantee is, if I can't fix it, it's free - and in this case, I can fix 
it, but you don't want me to.  So my base charge applies."


Some customers don't like this approach, but they are the ones who were 
trying to take you for a ride anyway, and who needs them?  Occasionally I 
get burned on this, but I try to avoid taking jobs that I know I'm not 
going to fix - dead inkjet printers, for instance - who in their right mind 
is going to pay $120 for system board for an inkjet when a new printer is $80?


T 

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

At 09:39 PM 01/12/2005, Chris Shaw wrote:
Has anyone offered something special to drum up new work, such as free AV 
&/or spyware scan on first visit?? If you have, what was the offer & how 
well did it work??


Offering something for free makes it worthless, doesn't it?  I mean, if 
*you* think your service can be given away, then what is the customer 
supposed to think?  I do free work for customers who are large, loyal 
customers, but I never fall for the "Do this for me for free, and the next 
computer I get, I'll get from you." because it's a lie.  They might not 
realize they are lying when they say it, but less than 10% actually follow 
through on their promise.


If your service is worth $100, then charge $100, and show the customer why 
it's worth $100.


Otherwise, you end up being the lowballer who ruins the business for 
everyone (and there's at least one of these in every town.)


T 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

At 08:06 PM 01/12/2005, joeuser wrote:
This wasn't the first time this happened to you was it? This is common for 
me. Last time it was a gal - got her system cleaned up, called me up asked 
about some AV - told me system was great.


Of course not.  There's always someone trying to get something for 
nothing.  I just want to make sure I'm being reasonable.


T 

Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. DualCoreIntel

[James Boswell]

3800+ X2 isn't a laptop chip?, and Yonahs due Q106, probably towards  
the beginning of it, there are even noises abound we'll see an x86  
mac with one in it in January


it's the Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest trio we've got to wait until the  
middle of the year for. (does that arch have a bloody unified name  
anywhere.. damnit)


Also, from my own sources at Intel, the current Yonahs are being  
massively underbinned, probably to maintain ROI, the word is that the  
actual yields on them are closer to a 2.6-2.7Ghz median, with  
occasional 3Ghz batches, they might be a mighty fine chip for the  
'wants a fast quiet rig and isn't afraid of a little overclocking'  
brigade. and I mean, really seriously mighty fine.


On 2 Dec 2005, at 05:45:310, Chris Reeves wrote:


Yep.  A look at Yonah:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627

The bad thing about Yonah is.. New Socket, at least 2 quarters of  
wait still

ahead and:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=5
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=6

Yeah, it's basically the same speed or slower then the X2-3800+...  
A chip
you can get right now, and which will probably be cheaper by the  
time Yonah

hits the market.


Yeah, I'm just unsure of what the "sell" is on this right now..




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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:25 PM
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Um Hayes, they are doing that.

reference: Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest

64bit 65nm chips due in the middle of '06, 14 stage

pipelines, 2-3Ghz

clocks, 4-issue dispatch! (A64s are 3 issue, G5s are

3+branch, P4's

are
2-issue)

Pentium M is P3 derived, and lacks the 64bitness, rather that futz
around giving it a 64bit overhaul, they're designing

something based

on a similar philosophy from the ground up..



Yes, but Yonah and later PM cores have an extra 4-cycle
latency on the L2 cache. Hopefully, this can be disabled at
willit comes from the core's ability to shut down cache
areas that aren't needed and flush contents to memory.
This does necessarily hurt the performance per MHz, but it is
still very competitive.


Greg






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Re: [H] -LO- CNet does a test workout: Dual Core AMD vs. Dual CoreIntel

[James Boswell]

There is no 'later' P-M core than Yonah
On 2 Dec 2005, at 02:25:230, Greg Sevart wrote:




Um Hayes, they are doing that.

reference: Merom, Conroe, Woodcrest

64bit 65nm chips due in the middle of '06, 14 stage pipelines,  
2-3Ghz clocks, 4-issue dispatch! (A64s are 3 issue, G5s are 3 
+branch, P4's  are 2-issue)


Pentium M is P3 derived, and lacks the 64bitness, rather that  
futz  around giving it a 64bit overhaul, they're designing  
something based  on a similar philosophy from the ground up..




Yes, but Yonah and later PM cores have an extra 4-cycle latency on  
the L2 cache. Hopefully, this can be disabled at willit comes  
from the core's ability to shut down cache areas that aren't needed  
and flush contents to memory.
This does necessarily hurt the performance per MHz, but it is still  
very competitive.



Greg


There is no 'later' P-M core than Yonah, Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest are  
ground up designs built around a performance/watt approach, hopefully  
they realise that they were on to a good thing with Prescotts branch  
predictor though. (seriously, that it keeps up with Northwood EVER is  
testament to that.)


I believe some of the hit on Yonahs L2 latency is because it's a  
shared L2 between both cores though, I thought Dothan and Banias  
could already shut down L2 on an area of associativity basis also?



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RE: [H] early xmas present

[Steve]

read the review by Suzi Woo? lol


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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: [hardware] RE: [H] early xmas present



priceless
same page, check out
Customers who bought this book also bought


At 11:11 PM 12/1/2005, Chris Reeves Poked the stick with:

This is where it sent you originally:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1890159026/qid=1133481206/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-8720811-4663025?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

The reviews are priceless.



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