Re: [H] how do I ?

[Christopher Fisk]

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, Winterlight wrote:

Actually, if you are going to go to the trouble I don't see why you wouldn't 
want to use CAT 6... it isn't very expensive at monoprice and


you can get 100 feet of CAT6 11.24   ... a 1000 feet for $85

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?spcDB=10232&spcWord=Cat+6+Network+Cable&keyword=cat6



I SECOND THIS.  Don't waste your money on CAT5.  Just run CAT6 and be done 
with it.



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Re: [H] how do I ?

[Rick Glazier]

I  think they made the depth one foot now.
I had buried to the old spec of two feet years ago.
(I was running Class 1 wiring though. -- 120v-AC, don't mix that in same pipe.)
I always used plastic pipe/conduit.

Rick Glazier

From: "maccrawj" 
Conduit STRONGLY recommended between cave & house. Make sure to follow correct 
procedures/codes about depth of the run and the height at each termination end. LV 
only, no power lines in same conduit!


Even if there is direct burial cable, go the conduit route it gives more 
options later.

Re: [H] how do I ?

[maccrawj]

The wall mount plates I bought took CAT5e wire as punch-down, no issues.

Conduit STRONGLY recommended between cave & house. Make sure to follow correct 
procedures/codes about depth of the run and the height at each termination end. LV 
only, no power lines in same conduit!


Even if there is direct burial cable, go the conduit route it gives more 
options later.


FORC5 wrote:

pretty much figured this is the way to go. Tried to use existing phone conduit 
wit h no luck. Put a low voltage box on the endo of the cave near the house and 
ran the cat5e. Figure sealtight conduit and maybe snap in or just direct bury 
the cat5e and see what happens. Figure a dual jack inside and a short patch 
(maybe)

hard work trying to *figure* out what ya want b4 the walls go up. :-D

Thanks to all, the strength IS in the pack. ( as GlassWolf would say)

fp

At 11:03 AM 10/4/2009, Winterlight Poked the stick with:


for just 20 feet why not just put it in buried  1.5 inch electrical PVC. A 
bigger pipe will make it easy to pull the sweeps ( NOT elbows) and you can 
easily add something else later if you wish, like coaxial. You might consider 
buying some of that all in one cable. = phone, CAT5e, coaxial, fiber optic. 
Very expensive but it is just 20 feetand if you measured 20 feet buy 40 
feet.

Re: [H] how do I ?

[Winterlight]

At 04:06 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

n or just direct bury the cat5e and see what happens.


The work is digging the trench. There is nothing to putting the cable 
in a straight piece of PVC electrical conduit with two sweeps. If you 
want to go cheap use exterior cat 5e  and don't bother with junction 
boxes onces you come out of the ground. Just bring the PVC up at 
least 18 inches above grade and tape the end with duct tape.


Actually, if you are going to go to the trouble I don't see why you 
wouldn't want to use CAT 6... it isn't very expensive at monoprice and


you can get 100 feet of CAT6 11.24   ... a 1000 feet for $85

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?spcDB=10232&spcWord=Cat+6+Network+Cable&keyword=cat6

Re: [H] how do I ?

[FORC5]

pretty much figured this is the way to go. Tried to use existing phone conduit 
wit h no luck. Put a low voltage box on the endo of the cave near the house and 
ran the cat5e. Figure sealtight conduit and maybe snap in or just direct bury 
the cat5e and see what happens. Figure a dual jack inside and a short patch 
(maybe)

hard work trying to *figure* out what ya want b4 the walls go up. :-D

Thanks to all, the strength IS in the pack. ( as GlassWolf would say)

fp

At 11:03 AM 10/4/2009, Winterlight Poked the stick with:

>for just 20 feet why not just put it in buried  1.5 inch electrical PVC. A 
>bigger pipe will make it easy to pull the sweeps ( NOT elbows) and you can 
>easily add something else later if you wish, like coaxial. You might consider 
>buying some of that all in one cable. = phone, CAT5e, coaxial, fiber 
>optic. Very expensive but it is just 20 feetand if you measured 20 feet 
>buy 40 feet.

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Re: [H] how do I ?

[Joe User]

Hello Steve,

Sunday, October 4, 2009, 10:13:15 AM, you wrote:


>  Best to use the old trick from
> dial-up days, put a dab of vasoline in the connector.  It'll essentially
> seal it and lock out oxidation.


Nice...


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Re: [H] how do I ?

[Winterlight]

At 06:21 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:
Rewiring my new *cave* b4 sheet rock and decided to go ahead and run 
cat5 to the corner of the cave closest to the house. Not going to 
run to the house at this time. How do I splice cat5 ?


go to radio shack and buy a inline connector. Then put normal jacks 
on the ends of the CAT5e and plug them together.  Wouldn't be a bad 
idea to do this in a accessible junction box.



My thoughts are a low voltage box on the outside wall but surely I 
can not just put jack there. Also thought of just poking thru and 
putting the jack on the inside. Or maybe just leave enough coiled 
outside to make the run.


Is there a direct bury cat 5 cable. ?


I doubt itthere is a weather proof cable, but that is not the same thing.


 Distance to house is only maybe 20'.  Have setup a bridge router 
but figure eventually need /want to hard wire.

fp


for just 20 feet why not just put it in buried  1.5 inch electrical 
PVC. A bigger pipe will make it easy to pull the sweeps ( NOT elbows) 
and you can easily add something else later if you wish, like 
coaxial. You might consider buying some of that all in one cable. 
= phone, CAT5e, coaxial, fiber optic. Very expensive but it is just 
20 feetand if you measured 20 feet buy 40 feet.

Re: [H] how do I ?

[Steve Tomporowski]

If you are making the connection outside (best inside a box), while gold 
does not corrode, it will oxidize.  Best to use the old trick from 
dial-up days, put a dab of vasoline in the connector.  It'll essentially 
seal it and lock out oxidation.  Mind you, it is a bit messy. ;-)


Steve


Robert Martin Jr. wrote:

We did a similar setup a while back for a granny unit. For our project we ran 1 
cat5 cable through underground conduit, through wall, run up into ceiling in 
living room->bedroom. In closet we have 1 gigabit switch that split off 2 
cables running back into living room and kitchen. I used snapthrough wallport 
couplers so it would be easy to connect or disconnect cables. Avoid running next 
to electrical wiring and your good.

I bought a small crimping kit ($15 - I already had some cat5 cable) and just followed the color diagram to make the cables. 


lopaka





From: FORC5 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:21:00 AM
Subject: [H] how do I ?

Rewiring my new *cave* b4 sheet rock and decided to go ahead and run cat5 to 
the corner of the cave closest to the house. Not going to run to the house at 
this time. How do I splice cat5 ?

My thoughts are a low voltage box on the outside wall but surely I can not just put jack there. Also thought of just poking thru and putting the jack on the inside. Or maybe just leave enough coiled outside to make the run. 


Is there a direct bury cat 5 cable. ? Distance to house is only maybe 20'.  
Have setup a bridge router but figure eventually need /want to hard wire.

fp

  




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Re: [H] how do I ?

[Robert Martin Jr.]

We did a similar setup a while back for a granny unit. For our project we ran 1 
cat5 cable through underground conduit, through wall, run up into ceiling in 
living room->bedroom. In closet we have 1 gigabit switch that split off 2 
cables running back into living room and kitchen. I used snapthrough wallport 
couplers so it would be easy to connect or disconnect cables. Avoid running 
next to electrical wiring and your good.

I bought a small crimping kit ($15 - I already had some cat5 cable) and just 
followed the color diagram to make the cables. 

lopaka





From: FORC5 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:21:00 AM
Subject: [H] how do I ?

Rewiring my new *cave* b4 sheet rock and decided to go ahead and run cat5 to 
the corner of the cave closest to the house. Not going to run to the house at 
this time. How do I splice cat5 ?

My thoughts are a low voltage box on the outside wall but surely I can not just 
put jack there. Also thought of just poking thru and putting the jack on the 
inside. Or maybe just leave enough coiled outside to make the run. 

Is there a direct bury cat 5 cable. ? Distance to house is only maybe 20'.  
Have setup a bridge router but figure eventually need /want to hard wire.

fp

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Re: [H] how do I ?

[Joe User]

Hello FORC5,

Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:21:00 AM, you wrote:

> Rewiring my new *cave* b4 sheet rock and decided to go ahead and
> run cat5 to the corner of the cave closest to the house. Not going
> to run to the house at this time. How do I splice cat5 ?

You don't you can put an end on it (the RJ45 tip) and then go from there.

> My thoughts are a low voltage box on the outside wall but surely I
> can not just put jack there. Also thought of just poking thru and
> putting the jack on the inside. Or maybe just leave enough coiled outside to 
> make the run.

Better to put a receptacle on it and patch from there if I understand
you right.

> Is there a direct bury cat 5 cable. ? Distance to house is only
> maybe 20'.  Have setup a bridge router but figure eventually need /want to 
> hard wire.

I did that once with a client; they trenched, we ran 4 different lines
thru a PVC pipe (redundancy - or ease to fish). Don't just drop the
line by itself though.



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[H] how do I ?

[FORC5]

Rewiring my new *cave* b4 sheet rock and decided to go ahead and run cat5 to 
the corner of the cave closest to the house. Not going to run to the house at 
this time. How do I splice cat5 ?

My thoughts are a low voltage box on the outside wall but surely I can not just 
put jack there. Also thought of just poking thru and putting the jack on the 
inside. Or maybe just leave enough coiled outside to make the run. 

Is there a direct bury cat 5 cable. ? Distance to house is only maybe 20'.  
Have setup a bridge router but figure eventually need /want to hard wire.

fp

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

At 08:20 05/21/2008 -0700, you wrote:
Not sure how you lost those, but when you put the Start menu into classic 
mode, it puts My computer, My Network Places, and My documents on the 
desktop for you.


Thought so too. Did not happen :(

  When you first install XP, Start menu is not in classic mode.  You can 
also click start then right click My computer in that menu if you are not 
using the Classic start menu.  (if your Start button is green, you are 
not in classic mode)


Tnx John. Figured this one out today. Been using the blue taskbar and the 
green 'start' button for months now.  No wonder..Another 
stupid...Doh!

Best,
Duncan


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Message  From: DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:24:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [H] How do I do this... John, It took many tries, but I 
finally got this sort of done.  I now have the taskbar back to windows 
classic gray! It turns out that I've somehow lost my default "My 
Computer" icon from the desktop(s).  The icons I do have are shortcuts 
(with the little arrow symbol). I never saw the "Advanced" TAB. I did see 
an "Advanced" button, but this only opened another window for advanced 
properties for this "Shortcut" : [] Run with different credentials 
(grayed out and unchecked) [] Run in separate memory space (grayed out 
and Checked) Once I clicked the Find Target button, I found the real "My 
Computer" icon in a folder called "Desktop."  At least it is not 
completely lost.  I just can not promote it back to the actual desktop 
display yet.  More play for today... :) Thank you so much. 
Best, Duncan At 16:50 05/20/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Right click 'My 
Computer' >Left click 'Properties' >Click the 'Advanced' tab >Click 
'Settings" in the 'Performance' area >Click 'Adjust for best 
performance' >Click 'Apply' > >That turns all Windows and settings in XP 
into Windows Classic Mode, >or Windows 2000 mode as it's >also been 
called... > >The Blue task bar goes to Gray, the Windows opening and 
closing >effects and such go away, >and your whole system feels a bit 
faster.  :) > >I do this first thing on almost all my Windows XP 
builds... > > > > >On May 20, 2008, at 3:04 PM, DHSinclair 
wrote: > >>John, >>Yes. This is what I do see; two tops.  OK, I'll try 
the lock and/or >>try to revert to Classic view mode (though I have not 
found how to >>do this >>yet - or thought I had already done 
this!).  Thanks, >>Best, >>Duncan >> >>At 16:38 05/19/2008 -0700, you 
wrote: >>>Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it 
looks like >>>two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use 
Classic >>>view >>>mode with it's Win2000 style grey 
taskbar... >>> >>>It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic 
that shows when >>>the taskbar is unlocked... >>> >>> >>> >>>On May 19, 
2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote: >>> >>>>Have WXP-SPE2. >>>>Allowed MS 
to make it WXP-SP3. >>>>I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP 
platforrn to >>>>discuss. >>>> >>>>My Question is about WHY I now have 2 
taskbars? >>>>Is this normal? >>>> >>>>I have a tashbar that I can 
use.  But I have another, locked behind >>>>the visual taskbar, >>>>that 
I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help. >>>> >>>>I 
am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch! >>>>(I do 
know that I will have to live with it in the end.) >>>> >>>>Can I REMOVE 
what appears to be a 2d taskbar? >>>> >>>>WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), 
v.20080414.031525. >>>> >>>>WTF did I 
miss??? >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Dunccan >>> >>>-- >>>JRS 
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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

fp,
I will save this suggestion. not needed ATM, but who knows what may happen 
in the future.

Liking XP a bit better now.
Best,
Duncan

At 08:01 05/21/2008 -0700, you wrote:

right click anywhere on the desktop
choose properties
goto desktop tab
hit customize desktop button

check the my computer box
should be back
fp

At 07:24 AM 5/21/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Once I clicked the Find Target button, I found the real "My Computer" 
icon in a folder called "Desktop."  At least it is not completely 
lost.  I just can not promote it back to the actual desktop display 
yet.  More play for today... :)

>Thank you so much.
>Best,
>Duncan

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[JRS]

Not sure how you lost those, but when you put the Start menu into classic mode, 
it puts My computer, My Network Places, and My documents on the desktop for 
you.  When you first install XP, Start menu is not in classic mode.  
You can also click start then right click My computer in that menu if you are 
not using the Classic start menu.  (if your Start button is green, you are not 
in classic mode)

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- Original Message 
From: DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:24:27 AM
Subject: Re: [H] How do I do this...

John,
It took many tries, but I finally got this sort of done.  I now have the 
taskbar back to windows classic gray!

It turns out that I've somehow lost my default "My Computer" icon from the 
desktop(s).  The icons I do have are shortcuts (with the little arrow 
symbol). I never saw the "Advanced" TAB. I did see an "Advanced" button, 
but this only opened another window for advanced properties for this 
"Shortcut" :
[] Run with different credentials (grayed out and unchecked)
[] Run in separate memory space (grayed out and Checked)

Once I clicked the Find Target button, I found the real "My Computer" icon 
in a folder called "Desktop."  At least it is not completely lost.  I just 
can not promote it back to the actual desktop display yet.  More play for 
today... :)
Thank you so much.
Best,
Duncan


At 16:50 05/20/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Right click 'My Computer'
>Left click 'Properties'
>Click the 'Advanced' tab
>Click 'Settings" in the 'Performance' area
>Click 'Adjust for best performance'
>Click 'Apply'
>
>That turns all Windows and settings in XP into Windows Classic Mode,
>or Windows 2000 mode as it's
>also been called...
>
>The Blue task bar goes to Gray, the Windows opening and closing
>effects and such go away,
>and your whole system feels a bit faster.  :)
>
>I do this first thing on almost all my Windows XP builds...
>
>
>
>
>On May 20, 2008, at 3:04 PM, DHSinclair wrote:
>
>>John,
>>Yes. This is what I do see; two tops.  OK, I'll try the lock and/or
>>try to revert to Classic view mode (though I have not found how to
>>do this
>>yet - or thought I had already done this!).  Thanks,
>>Best,
>>Duncan
>>
>>At 16:38 05/19/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it looks like
>>>two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use Classic
>>>view
>>>mode with it's Win2000 style grey taskbar...
>>>
>>>It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic that shows when
>>>the taskbar is unlocked...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On May 19, 2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote:
>>>
>>>>Have WXP-SPE2.
>>>>Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
>>>>I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to
>>>>discuss.
>>>>
>>>>My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>>I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind
>>>>the visual taskbar,
>>>>that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.
>>>>
>>>>I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
>>>>(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)
>>>>
>>>>Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?
>>>>
>>>>WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.
>>>>
>>>>WTF did I miss???
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>Dunccan
>>>
>>>--
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>>>Please remove  **X**  to reply...
>>>Facts do not cease to exist just
>>>because they are ignored.
>
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>JRS    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[FORC5]

right click anywhere on the desktop
choose properties
goto desktop tab
hit customize desktop button

check the my computer box
should be back
fp

At 07:24 AM 5/21/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Once I clicked the Find Target button, I found the real "My Computer" icon in 
>a folder called "Desktop."  At least it is not completely lost.  I just can 
>not promote it back to the actual desktop display yet.  More play for 
>today... :)
>Thank you so much.
>Best,
>Duncan

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

John,
It took many tries, but I finally got this sort of done.  I now have the 
taskbar back to windows classic gray!


It turns out that I've somehow lost my default "My Computer" icon from the 
desktop(s).  The icons I do have are shortcuts (with the little arrow 
symbol). I never saw the "Advanced" TAB. I did see an "Advanced" button, 
but this only opened another window for advanced properties for this 
"Shortcut" :

[] Run with different credentials (grayed out and unchecked)
[] Run in separate memory space (grayed out and Checked)

Once I clicked the Find Target button, I found the real "My Computer" icon 
in a folder called "Desktop."  At least it is not completely lost.  I just 
can not promote it back to the actual desktop display yet.  More play for 
today... :)

Thank you so much.
Best,
Duncan


At 16:50 05/20/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Right click 'My Computer'
Left click 'Properties'
Click the 'Advanced' tab
Click 'Settings" in the 'Performance' area
Click 'Adjust for best performance'
Click 'Apply'

That turns all Windows and settings in XP into Windows Classic Mode,
or Windows 2000 mode as it's
also been called...

The Blue task bar goes to Gray, the Windows opening and closing
effects and such go away,
and your whole system feels a bit faster.  :)

I do this first thing on almost all my Windows XP builds...




On May 20, 2008, at 3:04 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


John,
Yes. This is what I do see; two tops.  OK, I'll try the lock and/or
try to revert to Classic view mode (though I have not found how to
do this
yet - or thought I had already done this!).  Thanks,
Best,
Duncan

At 16:38 05/19/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it looks like
two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use Classic
view
mode with it's Win2000 style grey taskbar...

It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic that shows when
the taskbar is unlocked...



On May 19, 2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to
discuss.

My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind
the visual taskbar,
that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Best,
Dunccan


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because they are ignored.


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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[John Steinbruner]

Right click 'My Computer'
Left click 'Properties'
Click the 'Advanced' tab
Click 'Settings" in the 'Performance' area
Click 'Adjust for best performance'
Click 'Apply'

That turns all Windows and settings in XP into Windows Classic Mode,  
or Windows 2000 mode as it's

also been called...

The Blue task bar goes to Gray, the Windows opening and closing  
effects and such go away,

and your whole system feels a bit faster.  :)

I do this first thing on almost all my Windows XP builds...




On May 20, 2008, at 3:04 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


John,
Yes. This is what I do see; two tops.  OK, I'll try the lock and/or
try to revert to Classic view mode (though I have not found how to  
do this

yet - or thought I had already done this!).  Thanks,
Best,
Duncan

At 16:38 05/19/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it looks like
two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use Classic  
view

mode with it's Win2000 style grey taskbar...

It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic that shows when
the taskbar is unlocked...



On May 19, 2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to
discuss.

My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind
the visual taskbar,
that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Best,
Dunccan


--
JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please remove  **X**  to reply...
Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.




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Please remove  **X**  to reply...
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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

John,
Yes. This is what I do see; two tops.  OK, I'll try the lock and/or
try to revert to Classic view mode (though I have not found how to do this
yet - or thought I had already done this!).  Thanks,
Best,
Duncan

At 16:38 05/19/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it looks like
two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use Classic view
mode with it's Win2000 style grey taskbar...

It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic that shows when
the taskbar is unlocked...



On May 19, 2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to
discuss.

My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind
the visual taskbar,
that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Best,
Dunccan


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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

Al,
thanks for this instruct. Stupid of me not to figure this out by myself.
I don't do this often, and, I forget.  I'll do a screen save that shows my
suspect "double" taskbar.

Rick,
Got your suggestion. I'll play with it tonight. Does the fact that I have IE7
make any difference?  (now that SP3 is installed, I'm told that IE7 is locked
in place)

Best,
Duncan
At 22:07 05/19/2008 -0400, you wrote:


On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:07:35 -0400
DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I could if I I really knew how to do it.

Hit Print Screen (PrtScn) then paste into Paint. Save as jpeg.

Al

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

Yes, I know. I'm still put off by the prices ATM.  I know I have to do 
this, but, just do not have the spare bucks yet.

Best,
Duncan

At 06:27 05/20/2008 -0700, you wrote:

hope ya get5 there b4 it's EOL >:-}
fp
At 04:52 PM 5/19/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>I am still "testing" WXP.  Yea!
>I am really slow... :)
>Best,
>Duncan

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[FORC5]

hope ya get5 there b4 it's EOL >:-}
fp
At 04:52 PM 5/19/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>I am still "testing" WXP.  Yea!
>I am really slow... :)
>Best,
>Duncan

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

Thanks John,
So. I just give this visual BS up?
I can. But I do not wish to..?
I will. If necessary.
So far MSXP-SP3 seems to be a clean install...
But, I do not do any of the "other" apps. :)
I am still "testing" WXP.  Yea!
I am really slow... :)
Best,
Duncan

At 16:38 05/19/2008 -0700, you wrote:

Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it looks like
two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use Classic view
mode with it's Win2000 style grey taskbar...

It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic that shows when
the taskbar is unlocked...



On May 19, 2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to
discuss.

My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind
the visual taskbar,
that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Best,
Dunccan


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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[xtempore]

On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:07:35 -0400
DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I could if I I really knew how to do it.

Hit Print Screen (PrtScn) then paste into Paint. Save as jpeg.

Al

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

OK, I'm dorked. But, I seem to "see" 2 taskbars.
One behind the ONE I SEE
Maybe just me...
Not a real big deal here,  I did get SP3 w/o a bunch of dirt (I believe!)
.
Just wondering?

Maybe I have some other "long-term" glitch with WXP.  Like I mentioned,
I am not completely happy yet w/WXP.
{I DO KNOW I MAY HAVE 2 GO THERE}
Best,
Duncan


008 -0700, you wrote:

What taskbar ? I have done two installs so far and see no second taskbar
fp

At 04:01 PM 5/19/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Have WXP-SPE2.
>Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
>I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to discuss.
>
>My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
>Is this normal?
>
>I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind the 
visual taskbar,

>that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.
>
>I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
>(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)
>
>Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?
>
>WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.
>
>WTF did I miss???
>
>Best,
>Dunccan

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

Rick,
I printed your reply.
I will work on this business in the AM,
Right now, I'm not capable.. :)
Best,
Duncan

At 20:37 05/19/2008 -0400, you wrote:

I "think" I've seen what you are talking about...
Unlock the Taskbar (right click on a blank part to see the setting).
Then grab and drag the top upwards.
If it gets bigger vertically, try dragging it down. If it collapses, but 
only to

a double height -- but will not go lower, you have to play with the separator
to the right of the quick launch area. It can be a little hard to "force" 
it back

to the proper operation.

IF this is the problem you are talking about, it is generally caused by a 
quick

launch program icon that does not "play well" in the quick launch area.
Windows Media Player was the biggest offender for me, so I always delete the
icon for that in that area...

 Hope this helps, Good luck.

   Rick Glazier

From: "DHSinclair"

Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to discuss.
My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?
I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind the 
visual taskbar,

that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.
I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)
Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?
WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.
WTF did I miss???

Re: [H] How do I do this...

[Rick Glazier]

I "think" I've seen what you are talking about...
Unlock the Taskbar (right click on a blank part to see the setting).
Then grab and drag the top upwards.
If it gets bigger vertically, try dragging it down. If it collapses, but only to
a double height -- but will not go lower, you have to play with the separator
to the right of the quick launch area. It can be a little hard to "force" it 
back
to the proper operation.

IF this is the problem you are talking about, it is generally caused by a quick
launch program icon that does not "play well" in the quick launch area.
Windows Media Player was the biggest offender for me, so I always delete the
icon for that in that area...

 Hope this helps, Good luck.

   Rick Glazier

From: "DHSinclair" 

Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to discuss.

My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind the 
visual taskbar,

that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Re: [H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

AL,
I could if I I really knew how to do it.Some how, I have managed to 
hang on with this group, but I've never learned the minimal basics 
necessary to continue "some" conversation.  I got stupid..


All of you other folk:  I might be a real dummy.

I think I can do a ScreenPtint...will that help?
Thanks Al. UR a brick!
Best,
Duncan

go  the t 19:19 05/19/2008 -0400, you wrote:


On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:01:32 -0400
DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

Can you put up a screenshot somewhere? or email one to me and I'll post
it.

Al

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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[John Steinbruner]

Are you talking about the top of the blue taskbar where it looks like  
two tops?  That goes away if you lock the taskbar, or use Classic view  
mode with it's Win2000 style grey taskbar...


It's not another task bar, just some sort of graphic that shows when  
the taskbar is unlocked...




On May 19, 2008, at 4:01 PM, DHSinclair wrote:


Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to  
discuss.


My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind  
the visual taskbar,

that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Best,
Dunccan



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Re: [H] How do I do this...

[xtempore]

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:01:32 -0400
DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

Can you put up a screenshot somewhere? or email one to me and I'll post
it.

Al

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I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left

Re: [H] How do I do this...

[FORC5]

What taskbar ? I have done two installs so far and see no second taskbar
fp

At 04:01 PM 5/19/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Have WXP-SPE2.
>Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
>I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to discuss.
>
>My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
>Is this normal?
>
>I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind the visual 
>taskbar,
>that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.
>
>I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
>(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)
>
>Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?
>
>WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.
>
>WTF did I miss???
>
>Best,
>Dunccan

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[H] How do I do this...

[DHSinclair]

Have WXP-SPE2.
Allowed MS to make it WXP-SP3.
I am still testing. No, I do not have pre-SP3  XP platforrn to discuss.

My Question is about WHY I now have 2 taskbars?
Is this normal?

I have a tashbar that I can use.  But I have another, locked behind the 
visual taskbar,

that I can not deal with. WinXP does not seen to offer much help.

I am not a WinXP fanboy. I do not care for XP a whole bunch!
(I do know that I will have to live with it in the end.)

Can I REMOVE what appears to be a 2d taskbar?

WinXP SP3, (KBKB936929), v.20080414.031525.

WTF did I miss???

Best,
Dunccan

[H] How do I stop a program folder from appearing on desktop?

[Jerry Jones]

I purchased a Samsung YP-U1Z mp3 player this past weekend and installed the 
software. The software was basically two things: an audio player and a 
firmware updater. Every time I boot my PC, a window opens on the desktop 
that shows the contents of the folder where the firmware updater program is 
stored. It is a windows explorer window showing the path c:\Program 
Files\Audio\Samsung. It is not executing the program, just opening the 
folder.


I have looked in the Startup folders for each user account, but see nothing 
there that would open this folder. I have looked in msconfig at the startup 
tab and see nothing referencing this path. What would cause this Program 
folder to just open each time the computer boots? 

Re: [H] How do I get the index of a DVD/CD disk to file, what is the command?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:32 AM 7/21/2005, Henrik Tived typed:

I want to take the content of a disk and print it ontoit, for archiving.


I think there are as many ways as there are preferences & the thing we sit on.

I have a reg hack that I use that adds to the explorer context menu a Dir 
command & it places a dir.txt file in my C:\temp\ folder.


===begin copy here=

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\Dir\command]
@="command.com /c dir /o /s >c:\\temp\\dir.txt"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Drive\shell\Dir\command]
@="command.com /c dir /o/s >c:\\temp\\drivedir.txt"

==end copy here===

then I put that file on my CDs or DVDs but I also archive the completed 
disk with an app called SuperCat that one can see more info at 
http://no-nonsense-software.com/ & a nice little freeware app called Cdrom 
List Creator that also adds itself to the Explorer context menu & you can 
see more about it at http://www.leeos.com/cdrom_list_creator.html


But these are only a few & I'm sure others have respectable alternatives.


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Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

[H] How do I get the index of a DVD/CD disk to file, what is the command?

[Henrik Tived]

Hi guys,

You know I am getting really old now, 36! and I am loosing it, I just can't 
remember anything anymore, I remember being able to do this in DOS, but by 
 I can't remember


I want to take the content of a disk and print it ontoit, for archiving. I 
got one of those DISC Stakka! it is a shame it actually can't read the damn 
disk!


any takes

Henrik