[Heb-NACO] FW: [PCCLIST] Updates to PCC Guidelines for Relationship Designators in NARs

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FYI, NACO catalogers. Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks, 
Jasmin

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Matthew C. Haugen
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 11:54 AM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Updates to PCC Guidelines for Relationship Designators in 
NARs

Dear Colleagues,

An updated version of the PCC Guidelines for the Application of Relationship 
Designators in NACO Authority 
Records
 (May 2024) has been posted. The relevant changes are found in sections 13 and 
15.

Catalogers may now use relationship designators for related places in field 551 
in NACO Authority Records, using subfield $i in combination with subfield $w 
value “r.” Catalogers may also update existing place name records that contain 
subfield $w values “a” or “b,” in field 551, to convert those code values to 
appropriate relationship designators from RDA Appendix K.4.3 for successive 
place names, merges, splits, etc. For example:

151 Oslo (Norway)
551 $w r $i Predecessor: $a Kristiania (Norway)

151 Kristiania (Norway)
551 $w r $i Successor: $a Oslo (Norway)

Optionally, relationships other than sequential place-to-place relationships, 
including hierarchical place-to-place relationships and relationships of other 
entities to places may also be recorded in 551 $i, using appropriate 
relationship designators from RDA Appendix K (for agent-to-place relationships) 
or Appendix I (for work/expression-to-place relationships). Appropriate terms 
from these appendices may be used since Appendix L was never developed. The 
updated guidelines provide some additional guidance and examples.

As a general reminder: catalogers may record a related entity in a MARC 5XX 
field only when the other entity has been established in the LCNAF. Catalogers 
may not record relationships in the 5XX field to entities in other vocabularies 
such as LCSH or Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names (TGN). If the cataloger 
desires to formally record a related entity in a 5XX field for an entity 
appropriate to the LCNAF that has not yet been established, the cataloger must 
establish it (see best practice number 2, page 4). Catalogers may alternatively 
consider recording associated place names from other vocabularies using the 370 
field in NARs.

The new practice may begin immediately (and some catalogers have already been 
doing so, as in the Oslo/Kristiania example above). The existing prohibition on 
the use of subfield $i found in the DCM Z1 section 551 may be disregarded, and 
will be removed in the next DCM update in August 2024. Additionally, links to 
the updated guidelines will be either revised or added elsewhere in the DCM Z1, 
NACO Participants' Manual, etc. at that time. The guidelines are now published 
in PDF format instead of Word (.docx) format, and the old Word link now 
contains a redirect to the new PDF version.

The updates were prepared by the PCC Standing Committee on Standards (SCS), and 
approved by the PCC Policy Committee (PoCo) in May 2024. Please direct any 
questions or comments to SCS.

Thank you,

Matthew Haugen and Honor Moody
SCS Co-Chairs

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[Heb-NACO] FW: Save the date! Evaluation of non-Latin references in NARs

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Dear Hebraica NACO catalogers, please do plan to attend this presentation!

Some important changes and developments will be presented, and your feedback 
will be actively solicited.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

Kol ṭuv, Jasmin (Hebraica NACO funnel representative to the Task Group)

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Dagher, Iman
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2024 3:31 PM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Save the date! Evaluation of non-Latin references in NARs


Dear PCC members,

The PCC SCS Task Group on Evaluation Guidelines for Non-Latin Script References 
in Name Authority Records 

 cordially invites you to the webinar:

Non-Latin Variants in Name Authority Records: Different Perspective, New 
Practice

The Task Group will present the results of its recommendations for how 
non-Latin script references in name authorities will be evaluated, including 
the coding of preferred non-Latin script variant access points and how they 
will be used, with examples in various non-Latin languages and scripts.

Date: Thursday, June 20, 2024

Time: 3:00 4:00 pm ET / 2:00-3:00 pm CT / 3:00-4:00 pm MT/ 12:00-1:00 pm PT

The Zoom information will be sent shortly.



Sincerely,

Iman Dagher & Shi Deng, PCC-TG Co-Chairs



Iman Dagher
Arabic & Islamic Studies Metadata Librarian
UCLA Library . Resource Acquisitions & Metadata Services
Email: idag...@library.ucla.edu
Phone: (310) 825-8642


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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Romanization question: לחשוב

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Thank you, both, for asking and responding. Indeed, per E-Sh., the correct 
romanization is la-ḥeshov. I will add this word to the FAQ and contact LC for 
BFM.

Thanks again and שבת שלום to all, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of 
Avrom E Shuchatowitz via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 10:03 AM
To: Miller, Caroline ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Romanization question: לחשוב

Caroline K. Miller- לחשוב should be romanized as la-heshov (with a subletter 
dot under the h) See Exodus 31: 5 Avrom Shuchatowitz Yeshiva University Library 
New York, NY From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of 
Miller,
Caroline K. Miller-

לחשוב should be romanized as   la-heshov(with a subletter dot under the 
h) See Exodus 31:5

Avrom Shuchatowitz
Yeshiva University Library
New York, NY

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 1:49 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
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Subject: [EXT] - [Heb-NACO] Romanization question: לחשוב

**External Email**
All, I have a book with the title: לחשוב אסלאמית OCLC (#1424768645) has the 
romanization as “La-ḥashov” which doesn’t seem to be correct. The nikud is 
patah under the ל then sheva under the ח according to my edition of Even 
Shoshan and Rav
All,

I have a book with the title:  לחשוב אסלאמית

OCLC (#1424768645) has the romanization as “La-ḥashov” which doesn’t seem to 
be correct.  The nikud is patah under the ל then sheva under the ח according to 
my edition of Even Shoshan and Rav Milim (לַחְשֹׁב).  LC’s catalog has an 
assortment of different romanizations for that word (La-ḥeshov, La-ḥashov, 
Laḥashov).  I’m thinking that La-ḥeshov would be the correct romanization.  
Please confirm.  This would be a good one to add to the wiki.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
Hebraica/Judaica Metadata Librarian
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
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[Heb-NACO] FW: Non-Latin script Input in BIBFRAME and FOLIO/Hebrew ScriptShifter

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Hello, all, following up on Caroline’s announcement of the above live session, 
the recording is found at 03:27:20 in PCC OpCo’s Day 
1 recording (passcode: fL.Yb7c2).

Questions to the speaker that were posed in the chat are answered at 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2024/Zoom-Embracing-Authenticity-Chat-Responses.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!292kFGuMhKmRYNhHIpi4haFjD_AiVHQSSlxFES2YzeFHtG-kxj5ScETm8BGxBE9Z33SBotU3ItD7rT0IrjfFoA$
 
.

Note that though Hebrew is included in LC’s BIBFRAME 
ScriptShifter tool (based on 
Dicta’s work), it is still in development. Please do not blindly rely on the 
romanizations it suggests (e.g., the title מעיינותיך is rendered as 
Meʻayenotekha, but the word is vocalized מַעַיְנוֹתֶיךָ and correctly romanized 
Maʻayenotekha), and please do report errors to me or to Asher Lewis 
(able...@loc.gov).

Also, though Yiddish is listed as a language the tool supports, the 
romanizations are not yet useable (e.g., ארום וואקזאל is transliterated as the 
meaningless rum ṿḳzl).

The link to the full OpCo agenda (with links to slides and the Day 2 recording) 
is below. Please let me know if you have further questions.

Thanks, Shabat shalom and kol ṭuv, Jasmin

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Zoom, Jessalyn
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 11:18 AM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Non-Latin script Input in BIBFRAME and FOLIO session followup

Dear all,

For those of you who attended the non-Latin script Input in BIBFRAME and FOLIO 
session during the PCC OpCo meeting last week, we’ve put together an FAQ 
document to respond to the questions and comments raised in the online Zoom 
chat.  You may access the document at the links below.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2024/Zoom-Embracing-Authenticity-Chat-Responses.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!292kFGuMhKmRYNhHIpi4haFjD_AiVHQSSlxFES2YzeFHtG-kxj5ScETm8BGxBE9Z33SBotU3ItD7rT0IrjfFoA$
 

And a link added to the agenda: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2024/Agenda-OpCo-2024.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!292kFGuMhKmRYNhHIpi4haFjD_AiVHQSSlxFES2YzeFHtG-kxj5ScETm8BGxBE9Z33SBotU3ItD7rT3KwJT8_w$
 


If you have additional questions or comments, please feel free to email us at 
Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division or 
directly to me at j...@loc.gov.  We deeply appreciate your 
engagement and strive to make the transition of non-Latin script input a 
success.

Sincerely,

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Re: [Heb-NACO] question: Judaica SACO funnel name

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Thank you to the 11 respondents who voted. Given the small number, results are 
fairly close:

5 votes for Israel/Judaica SACO Funnel (to parallel LC’s I/J section)
3 votes for Israel and Judaic Studies Funnel
2 votes for Judaica SACO Funnel (to maintain status quo) and
1 vote for Israel and Judaica Subjects Authority Funnel

The poll is still open, so if you missed the deadline, please 
vote<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/L77N52K__;!!KGKeukY!2qa5A4g_CEbXd4ceAkvq6R5xQaBjop7OlcRr3ERyCSuFm7WfW_PsBCnX_KS1Q9fKDx63Ou6iRgVyfmwhjrkw5Q$
 > anyway!

When we meet next month at the cataloging committee meeting, we can discuss 
this further (maybe take a vote to approve the change?).

Thanks again to all who participated. Please feel free to reach out (off-line 
or on list) with further comments on the subject (no pun intended )

Kol ṭuv, Jasmin

From: Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 6:21 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: question: Judaica SACO funnel name

Hello, dear colleagues and friends,

I’m writing to ask for your thoughts regarding the name of our SACO funnel, 
named the Judaica SACO Funnel since its establishment in 2005. Much of our 
recent work has focused on Israel-related topics such as the 
Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 1993-, the Oct. 7 Hamas Attack, and the like. 
Shall we update the name of the funnel to more accurately reflect the scope of 
our work? If so, to what?

I’ve created a brief (1 question!) survey to collect your thoughts on the 
matter. Please visit 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/L77N52K__;!!KGKeukY!2qa5A4g_CEbXd4ceAkvq6R5xQaBjop7OlcRr3ERyCSuFm7WfW_PsBCnX_KS1Q9fKDx63Ou6iRgVyfmwhjrkw5Q$
  and submit your feedback by May 2, 2024.

Thank you for your time and looking forward to your responses.

Wishing a חג כשר ושמח to those who celebrate and best wishes to all, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] New SACO funnel

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Hi, Caroline, thank you for asking. I would say topics pertaining to Jews and 
Judaism, including Jews in the Middle East and Jewish-Arab relations, are to be 
addressed by the (currently named) Judaica SACO funnel.

Of course, if we’re ever unsure or feel that a topic spans multiple funnel 
specializations, we can certainly collaborate.

If you’ve not yet had a chance to vote on the name of our subjects funnel, 
please do so 
here<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/L77N52K__;!!KGKeukY!x0FxqY8cD4vWMfjNcOvXwuplrEAF9Pi3GplRLeH3soOloLHSt7gmhFXrjb6hjUjw9flwDUnyc3IHiBMHdEkBpw$
 >.

Thanks again and best wishes, Jasmin

From: Miller, Caroline 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 2:13 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: New SACO funnel

Hi Jasmin,

I see that this new funnel precludes topics related to Israel and Judaism.  
What about Jews in the Middle East as an ethnic group?  What about Jewish-Arab 
relations?

Mo’adim le-simhah!

Caroline

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Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 9:07 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] FW: New SACO funnel

FYI. Please let me know if there are any questions. Kol ṭuv, Jasmin From: SACO 
Cataloging Discussion List  On Behalf Of Soufi, 
Denise Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 6: 58 AM To: SACOLIST@ LISTSERV. LOC. GOV 
Subject: 
FYI. Please let me know if there are any questions. Kol ṭuv, Jasmin

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mailto:sacol...@listserv.loc.gov>> On Behalf Of 
Soufi, Denise
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 6:58 AM
To: sacol...@listserv.loc.gov<mailto:sacol...@listserv.loc.gov>
Subject: [SACOLIST] New SACO funnel

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the formation of the Middle East and Islamic Studies 
(MEIS) Funnel. Our mission statement:

The Middle East and Islamic Studies (MEIS) Funnel Project enables catalogers, 
subject librarians, and scholars to submit proposals for additions and changes 
to Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH), Library of Congress Demographic 
Group Terms (LCDGT), Library of Congress Genre/Form Terms (LCGFT), and Library 
of Congress Classification (LCC) in the area of Middle East and Islamic 
Studies. Exceptions are for topics pertaining to Israel and Judaism, which are 
under the purview of the Judaica Subject Authority Funnel. MEIS was formed in 
Spring 2024 and falls under the Program for Cooperative Cataloging’s Subject 
Authority Cooperative Program (SACO).

This project’s goal is to promote and facilitate the creation of new LCSH, 
LCDGT, and LCGFT terminology as well as LCC numbers dedicated to improving 
discovery and access for Middle East and Islamic studies materials. It is also 
committed to reviewing and proposing changes to outdated, inaccurate, and 
harmful LCSH terminology about the Middle East and Islam.

The MEIS Funnel collaborates closely with the Middle East Librarians 
Association (MELA) Committee on Cataloging. Regular updates on the funnel’s 
progress will be communicated at the MELA Annual Meeting and related listservs.

The MEIS Funnel is coordinated by Denise Soufi, Metadata Librarian for Middle 
Eastern Languages at UNC-Chapel Hill (dso...@email.unc.edu), and Iman Dagher, 
Arabic and Islamic Studies Catalog Librarian at UCLA (idag...@library.ucla).  
We are in the process of organizing the funnel and setting up a website, so 
stay tuned for further updates on when you can begin submitting proposals or 
participate in funnel projects!

Best,
Denise and Iman

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Research Description & Management
203 Walter Royal Davis Library
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[Heb-NACO] FW: New SACO funnel

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FYI. Please let me know if there are any questions. Kol ṭuv, Jasmin

From: SACO Cataloging Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Soufi, Denise
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 6:58 AM
To: sacol...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [SACOLIST] New SACO funnel

Dear colleagues,

We are pleased to announce the formation of the Middle East and Islamic Studies 
(MEIS) Funnel. Our mission statement:

The Middle East and Islamic Studies (MEIS) Funnel Project enables catalogers, 
subject librarians, and scholars to submit proposals for additions and changes 
to Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH), Library of Congress Demographic 
Group Terms (LCDGT), Library of Congress Genre/Form Terms (LCGFT), and Library 
of Congress Classification (LCC) in the area of Middle East and Islamic 
Studies. Exceptions are for topics pertaining to Israel and Judaism, which are 
under the purview of the Judaica Subject Authority Funnel. MEIS was formed in 
Spring 2024 and falls under the Program for Cooperative Cataloging’s Subject 
Authority Cooperative Program (SACO).

This project’s goal is to promote and facilitate the creation of new LCSH, 
LCDGT, and LCGFT terminology as well as LCC numbers dedicated to improving 
discovery and access for Middle East and Islamic studies materials. It is also 
committed to reviewing and proposing changes to outdated, inaccurate, and 
harmful LCSH terminology about the Middle East and Islam.

The MEIS Funnel collaborates closely with the Middle East Librarians 
Association (MELA) Committee on Cataloging. Regular updates on the funnel’s 
progress will be communicated at the MELA Annual Meeting and related listservs.

The MEIS Funnel is coordinated by Denise Soufi, Metadata Librarian for Middle 
Eastern Languages at UNC-Chapel Hill (dso...@email.unc.edu), and Iman Dagher, 
Arabic and Islamic Studies Catalog Librarian at UCLA (idag...@library.ucla).  
We are in the process of organizing the funnel and setting up a website, so 
stay tuned for further updates on when you can begin submitting proposals or 
participate in funnel projects!

Best,
Denise and Iman

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Metadata Librarian for Middle Eastern Languages

Research Description & Management
203 Walter Royal Davis Library
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3900
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
P  919-926-3824   E  dso...@email.unc.edu

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[Heb-NACO] question: Judaica SACO funnel name

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Hello, dear colleagues and friends,

I’m writing to ask for your thoughts regarding the name of our SACO funnel, 
named the Judaica SACO Funnel since its establishment in 2005. Much of our 
recent work has focused on Israel-related topics such as the 
Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 1993-, the Oct. 7 Hamas Attack, and the like. 
Shall we update the name of the funnel to more accurately reflect the scope of 
our work? If so, to what?

I’ve created a brief (1 question!) survey to collect your thoughts on the 
matter. Please visit 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/L77N52K__;!!KGKeukY!yEH4JhRGCXV2Ss5wzS_BB9_RKZguChqb8dagMCBiKKU71joLjmcDFzQETB40Ml6UZMUnpMl4n5R9oL9ns-keeA$
  and submit your feedback by May 2, 2024.

Thank you for your time and looking forward to your responses.

Wishing a חג כשר ושמח to those who celebrate and best wishes to all, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] title correction: hyenas

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Hi, the Hebrew word for hyenas is צְבוֹעִים, romanized tsevoʻim.

The 11 libraries with holdings on on1378073006 (מאורת הצבועים / Meʼurat 
ha-tsevoʻim) may wish to update your local records.

Thanks, Jasmin


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[Heb-NACO] Job Opportunity: Hebraica Library Specialist, University of Pennsylvania

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The University of Pennsylvania is hiring!

Reporting to the Head of Global Studies Technical Services, the Hebraica 
Library Specialist, working at an advanced level and independently, will 
acquire and describe Hebrew language and related materials for the Penn 
Libraries in accordance with established standards and institutional policy. In 
both acquisitions and cataloging, the incumbent will perform complex 
problem-solving using advanced analytical skills. The incumbent will 
collaborate closely with the Hebraica Cataloging Librarian and the Curator of 
Judaica Collections. Strong knowledge, written and spoken, of modern Hebrew 
language (including grammar/diḳduḳ) required.

Learn more 
here. Please feel free to reach out with any questions.

Thank you, Jasmin


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[Heb-NACO] foreign loan word פסיפס

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Hi, the foreign loan word פסיפס is correctly romanized psefas (see also the 
Romanization FAQ 
here).

The 13 libraries with holdings on on1374530535 (תמונות מפסיפס אתנוגרפי / 
Temunot mi-psefas etnografi) may wish to update your local records.

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] SAC working group on "Question" subject headings

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Indeed. Aaron and I were at the LC editorial meeting when these subjects were 
proposed. We objected (and offered alternatives), but the predominance of 
“literary warrant” won the day and we were overruled.

It will be interesting to see how the SAC WG approaches it…

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 2:58 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] FW: SAC working group on "Question" subject headings

FYI. It will be interesting to see what will be done with the “Palestine 
question” headings. “Jewish question” was cancelled quite some time ago. I 
believe that the National Library of Israel still uses it though. Caroline 
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FYI. It will be interesting to see what will be done with the “Palestine 
question” headings.  “Jewish question” was cancelled quite some time ago.  I 
believe that the National Library of Israel still uses it though.

Caroline

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Subject: SAC working group on "Question" subject headings

At its meeting in January, the Subject Analysis Committee decided to form a 
working group to explore alternatives for instances of Library of Congress 
Subject Headings containing the word "question."

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Charge: The Question Review Working Group will identify and evaluate LCSH terms 
containing the term "Question" to identify potentially problematic terms. They 
will explore and submit proposed alternatives as appropriate.

LCSH containing the word "question" often refer to boundary disputes or 
nationalist political movements and objectives. Others refer to a (sometimes 
unspecified) other type of question. Some of these headings could be considered 
problematic, and most are likely vague and unclear to library users. In some 
cases, the term including "question" is actually a commonly used phrase for 
that concept, but in others there is no clear warrant beyond the existence of 
other such headings.

The working group will consider proposing both changes to individual headings 
and broader changes to groups of similar headings. LCSH that the working group 
will review include (but are not necessarily limited to):

Adriatic question
Åland question
Alsace-Lorraine question
Armenian question
Belize question
Cuban question
Currency question
Eastern question
Eastern question (Balkan)
Eastern question (Central Asia)
Eastern question (Far East)
German reunification question (1949-1990)
Grisbåda question
Irish question
Irish unification question
Korean reunification question (1945- )
Kurdish question
Language question in the church
Macedonian question
Oregon question
Palestine question (1948-)
Palestine question (To 1948)
Polish question
Roman question
Samoan question
Silver question
Southern question (Yemen)
Straits question
Tacna-Arica question
Ukrainian question
Vietnamese reunification question (1954-1976)

The working group will also look at relevant parts of the Library of Congress 
Classification. For example, the notorious "Jewish question" was eliminated as 
a subject heading long ago, but it still exists as a caption in the LC 
classification schedules (for DS141 and KK928).

Are you interested in helping to explore the "question" question? Do you have 
experience in applying any of the subject headings or class numbers in 
question, or expertise in one or more of the subject areas affected? If so, 
please consider joining the working group-- contact the co-chairs to express 
interest by April 19th. (Also feel free to contact us with any questions.) You 
do not need to be a cataloger, or a member of SAC or ALA to participate.

Allison Bailund (San Diego State University, 
abail...@sdsu.edu)
Tina Gross (University of Minnesota, 
aboutn...@gmail.com)

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - THANK YOU!!

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you, Jackie, for this information. A reminder that the link to these 
recordings is also found on the cataloging wiki General resources 
page, listed under External Resources, Cataloging.

שבת שלום, פורים שמח and כל טוב, Jasmin

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - THANK YOU!!

Good morning Marlene, The recording, with all the links mentioned in the chat, 
on Sunday. Just log into AJL's website and the recordings for most of our 
roundtables can be found under the Members Only Section, AJL 
Resources/Roundtables. 
Good morning Marlene,

The recording, with all the links mentioned in the chat, on Sunday. Just log 
into AJL's website and the recordings for most of our roundtables can be found 
under the Members Only Section, AJL Resources/Roundtables.

Shabbat Shalom and Hag Same'ah!

Jackie

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Hi I missed this will there be a recording?

Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, Rachel, I only found one record for this title, and I’ve gone ahead and 
updated it. Thanks, Jasmin

From: Rachel Simon 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:47 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: Help with an Aramaic expression

Thanks Jasmin. I've seen Jastrow but didn't remember that this was the 
dictionary of record for Aramaic. I already told them in Princeton to use this 
romanization, but since I wasn't sure if this indeed is the authorized form, I 
suggested not to make changes in OCLC, but only in the Princeton record. So, 
one of you can do it: I can't contribute to OCLC anymore. My understanding is 
that there are three records for this book.

Thanks for the communal help,

Rachel

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Sent: 18 March 2024 16:06
To: Nadav Sharon mailto:nadav.sha...@utoronto.ca>>; 
Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; Rachel Simon 
mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>
Subject: RE: Help with an Aramaic expression


Hi, friends,



Per the HCM-RDA appendix, the Aramaic dictionary of record is Jastrow’s A 
dictionary of the Targumim…, “Used as the authority for supplying vowels for 
any Aramaic words or phrases not appearing in Even-Shoshan's Hebrew 
dictionary.” Using the online 
edition<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.tyndalearchive.com/TABS/Jastrow/__;!!IBzWLUs!Vjke891wy70dOF8C0BgGBn9fUVlhhDcjz5kdmFxCVlsrT1bTPCiSDS6tUI61VYfKq942KnsvSYvq3R5BMBw$>
 of Jastrow, the expression חסורי מחסרא is found vocalized in the entry for 
חָסַר, חֲסַר as חַסּוּרֵי מְחַסְּרָא with a variant for מִיחַסְּרָא. As such, 
the primary romanized form is ḥasure meḥasra; since the expression is in the 
first five words of your title, Rachel, you can add a variant romanization for 
miḥasra.



Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin



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I would suggest: ḥasure meḥasra All the best, Nadav Nadav Sharon, PhD Judaica 
Librarian Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library University of Toronto 120 St George 
Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 1A5 416-946-3176 From: Heb-naco 


I would suggest: ḥasure meḥasra



All the best,

Nadav



Nadav Sharon, PhD

Judaica Librarian

Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library

University of Toronto

120 St George Street

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

M5S 1A5

416-946-3176





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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression



Good afternoon! Although I'm retired, sometimes those who know Aramaic even 
less ask me for help, but I'm stuck. How should the words חסורי מחסרא in the 
title סוגיות חסורי מחסרא בתלמוד הבבלי be romanmized? I've checked two 
dictionaries, and

Good afternoon!



Although I'm retired, sometimes those who know Aramaic even less ask me for 
help, but I'm stuck.



How should the words חסורי מחסרא  in the title סוגיות חסורי מחסרא בתלמוד הבבלי 
be romanmized? I've checked two dictionaries, and these words were vocalized 
differently. My understanding is that OCLC also has this title romanized  in 
three ways! So, how should it really be?



Have fun!



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Re: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, friends,

Per the HCM-RDA appendix, the Aramaic dictionary of record is Jastrow’s A 
dictionary of the Targumim…, “Used as the authority for supplying vowels for 
any Aramaic words or phrases not appearing in Even-Shoshan's Hebrew 
dictionary.” Using the online 
edition of Jastrow, the expression חסורי מחסרא is found vocalized in the entry for 
חָסַר, חֲסַר as חַסּוּרֵי מְחַסְּרָא with a variant for מִיחַסְּרָא. As such, 
the primary romanized form is ḥasure meḥasra; since the expression is in the 
first five words of your title, Rachel, you can add a variant romanization for 
miḥasra.

Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Nadav Sharon via 
Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 1:34 PM
To: Heb-NACO (heb-naco@lists.osu.edu) ; Rachel Simon 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression

I would suggest: ḥasure meḥasra All the best, Nadav Nadav Sharon, PhD Judaica 
Librarian Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library University of Toronto 120 St George 
Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 1A5 416-946-3176 From: Heb-naco 

I would suggest: ḥasure meḥasra

All the best,
Nadav

Nadav Sharon, PhD
Judaica Librarian
Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library
University of Toronto
120 St George Street
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
M5S 1A5
416-946-3176


From: Heb-naco 
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behalf of Rachel Simon via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 12:25 PM
To: Heb-NACO (heb-naco@lists.osu.edu) 
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression

Good afternoon! Although I'm retired, sometimes those who know Aramaic even 
less ask me for help, but I'm stuck. How should the words חסורי מחסרא in the 
title סוגיות חסורי מחסרא בתלמוד הבבלי be romanmized? I've checked two 
dictionaries, and
Good afternoon!

Although I'm retired, sometimes those who know Aramaic even less ask me for 
help, but I'm stuck.

How should the words חסורי מחסרא  in the title סוגיות חסורי מחסרא בתלמוד הבבלי 
be romanmized? I've checked two dictionaries, and these words were vocalized 
differently. My understanding is that OCLC also has this title romanized  in 
three ways! So, how should it really be?

Have fun!

Rachel
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[Heb-NACO] belated publisher update: Ḳibuts ha-meʼuḥad-Sifriyat poʻalim

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Dear friends and colleagues,

Many of you will encounter publications byהקיבוץ המאוחד  with what appears to 
be a second publisher of ספרית פועלים. Per the publisher’s 
website and Hebrew Wikipedia articles, though, Sifriyat 
po‘alim merged with ha-Ḳibuts 
ha-meʼuḥad in 2001 to form the joint publication house Hotsaʼat ha-Ḳibuts 
ha-meʼuḥad-Sifriyat poʻalim. This is reflected in the copyright statements 
found on t.p. versos: כל הזכויות שמורות... להוצאת הקיבוץ המאוחד בע"מ – ספרית 
פועלים, or, in English, All Hebrew rights reserved by Hakibbutz Hameuchad Ltd. 
– Sifriat Poalim.

This joint publisher created the series Sifriyat po‘alim – 
siporet in 2010 to perpetuate the name of the former publisher. Sifriyat po‘alim by 
itself is no longer a publisher, though. As such, I created the series record 
for Sifriyat po‘alim - siporet and for the subseries Sifriyat po‘alim - 
siporet. |p Maḳor. (There’s also a subseries Targum, but Penn doesn’t get 
those, so I didn’t create a NAR for it.)

NARs for the corporate bodies Sifriyat po‘alim (Tel Aviv, Israel) and Hotsaʼat 
ha-Ḳibuts ha-meʼuḥad have also been updated and, and a new NAR for the merged 
entity, Hotsaʼat ha-Ḳibuts ha-meʼuḥad-sifriyat poʻalim, was created.

Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Actually, upon further thought, the Princeton romanization form doesn’t make 
sense. Our practice is not to spell out what an initialism stands for. Even if 
י"י stands for Yeya Yeyi, we don’t write it out, just as when representing ע"ש 
we do so as ‘a. sh., not ‘al shem.

The people responsible for the Princeton site are retired, so I’m not sure 
we’re going to get any insight from them.

I’d be happy to hear from someone at LC…

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 7:21 PM
To: Robert M. TALBOTT ; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel ; Miller, Caroline 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim 
between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense. If it’s just two yods 
next to each other, though, with no <”>, the HCM-RDA guidance indicates the 
practice
I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim 
between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense.

If it’s just two yods next to each other, though, with no <”>, the HCM-RDA 
guidance indicates the practice is to represent the letters as they appear (and 
as seen in the other LC records), Y.Y..

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
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Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 6:58 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; Miller, Caroline 
mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in 
Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also. https: //library. princeton. 
edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8. html Cheers -- Forwarded
For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in 
Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8.html__;!!KGKeukY!3razdJcFAOLKLV_Wwhh6gcyLwgQaDav9p3gOHWX44TDYzuRe1eHLV4BAhs9kZi-lX0MLfgrIc3OSFuXs_LERvQ$
 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8.html__;!!KGKeukY!ygJfZAs-Pk4Ghre21Lg4JeuXml98YI0YmlS-jRBO0RKMOtFgR0H-24GJLkR4-8rw-7kZyoOK6VVqCRU9BjkzG2Dg24lgow357A$>

Cheers


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Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity
To: Robert M. TALBOTT 
mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>>, Miller, 
Caroline mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>

There are exactly 2 records in LC that use Yeya (the one you cite and 
lccn2011383449, which oddly has both Yeya and Yeyi). In contrast, there are 
several more records that use Y.Y. So much for “past practice”. I’m also not 
sure that anyone, with the exception of scholars, are aware that there is a 
vocalized form, or how useful that form is to the user.

The HCM-RDA specifies: “Abbreviations representing the Tetragrammaton are 
romanized as they appear.”

Just my half pfennig…

From: Heb-naco 
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Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
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It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e. g. 
Exodus 35: 1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to 
me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to
It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e.g. 
Exodus 35:1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to 
me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to further 
complicate the issue with initialisms.

Bob

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
All, The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod): אלה מועדי. 
. . . How would I transcribe this? HCM only includes instructions for the 
Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30. Thanks. Caroline 
Caroline R. 
All,

The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod):  אלה מועדי... .

How would I transcribe this?  HCM only includes instructions for the 
Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30.

Thanks.

Caroline

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim 
between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense.

If it’s just two yods next to each other, though, with no <”>, the HCM-RDA 
guidance indicates the practice is to represent the letters as they appear (and 
as seen in the other LC records), Y.Y..

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 6:58 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; Miller, Caroline 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in 
Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also. https: //library. princeton. 
edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8. html Cheers -- Forwarded
For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in 
Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8.html__;!!KGKeukY!3DVDt_q0cml93bKB-M6U8deFPATJy9N7WHApr7L6_uc74BEQjhr-nost1UZQk9VKVb4AO3bA16mAH6CwJmyV4A$
 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8.html__;!!KGKeukY!ygJfZAs-Pk4Ghre21Lg4JeuXml98YI0YmlS-jRBO0RKMOtFgR0H-24GJLkR4-8rw-7kZyoOK6VVqCRU9BjkzG2Dg24lgow357A$>

Cheers


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Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity
To: Robert M. TALBOTT 
mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>>, Miller, 
Caroline mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>

There are exactly 2 records in LC that use Yeya (the one you cite and 
lccn2011383449, which oddly has both Yeya and Yeyi). In contrast, there are 
several more records that use Y.Y. So much for “past practice”. I’m also not 
sure that anyone, with the exception of scholars, are aware that there is a 
vocalized form, or how useful that form is to the user.

The HCM-RDA specifies: “Abbreviations representing the Tetragrammaton are 
romanized as they appear.”

Just my half pfennig…

From: Heb-naco 
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Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 6:17 PM
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mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity

It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e. g. 
Exodus 35: 1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to 
me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to
It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e.g. 
Exodus 35:1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to 
me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to further 
complicate the issue with initialisms.

Bob

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco 
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All, The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod): אלה מועדי. 
. . . How would I transcribe this? HCM only includes instructions for the 
Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30. Thanks. Caroline 
Caroline R. 
All,

The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod):  אלה מועדי... .

How would I transcribe this?  HCM only includes instructions for the 
Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30.

Thanks.

Caroline

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity

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Great question! Given the principle of representation, I’d suggest Y.Y. (i.e., 
represents each of the yods). Here are a couple examples in LC’s catalog that 
show this in practice: lccn 2020480882 and lccn 2020480838.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of 
Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2024 5:47 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity

All, The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod): אלה מועדי. 
. . . How would I transcribe this? HCM only includes instructions for the 
Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30. Thanks. Caroline 
Caroline R. 
All,

The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod):  אלה מועדי... .

How would I transcribe this?  HCM only includes instructions for the 
Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
Hebraica/Judaica Metadata Librarian
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
2400 Life Sciences Building
621 Charles E Young Drive South
Box 957230
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[Heb-NACO] title BFM: איך שרדתי את אמי

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hello, friends,

The second word in the above title is vocalized שָׂרַדְתִּי; the sheva under 
the dalet is naḥ/quiescent. The word is thus correctly romanized śaradti (not 
śaradEti), similar to the word מולדתי/moladti in the romanization 
FAQ.

Folks at the 20 libraries with holdings on on1249948506/lccn 2022396305 may 
wish to update local records.

Thanks, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] Fwd: February 2024 NACO Online Workshop Hi everyone,

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Of possible interest.

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  on behalf 
of Mackenzie, Tricia W 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:02 PM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov 
Subject: [PCCLIST] February 2024 NACO Online Workshop Hi everyone,

Hi everyone,

The PCC Secretariat is offering an online NACO Training Workshop from February 
6, 2024  - February 29, 2024. There are 24 slots available for training 
participants. Participation is on a first-come, first- served basis. Preference 
should be given to participants who are new to name authority work.

We will meet for eight webinars (11:00 AM – 12:00 noon EST)

Webinar 1: Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 11:00 AM-12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)
Webinar 2: Thursday, February 8, 2024, 11:00 AM – 12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)
Webinar 3: Monday, February 12, 2024, 11:00 AM – 12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)
Webinar 4: Thursday, February 15, 2024, 11:00 – 12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)
Webinar 5: Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 11:00 AM – 12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)
Webinar 6: Thursday, February 22, 2024, 11:00 – 12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)
Webinar 7:  Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 11:00 AM – 12:00 Noon (1 hour)
Webinar 8: Thursday, February 29, 2024, 11:00 AM – 12:00 Noon EST (1 hour)

In the periods between each webinar, you study on your own by watching 
recordings and reviewing NACO Training slides. You also compile questions 
during the study periods and so we can go over them during the webinars.

You should plan on spending approximately 25-30 hours of hands-on work during 
the workshop, including the eight live one-hour webinars.
We already have 51 NACO participants enrolled in the February Online NACO 
Workshop, so we are opening the workshop to 24 more participants on that 
first-come, first served basis.

The registration link for the workshop is below. Once the registration reaches 
24 attendees the form will become inactive.

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Thanks for your interest in the NACO Program,

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[Heb-NACO] title BFM: מטוסים בערפל הקרב

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, the second word in the above word is in semikhut (construct) form and is 
thus vocalized בְּעַרְפֶל, making the correct romanization be-ʻarfel (instead 
of the current be-ʻarafel).

The 14 libraries with holdings on on1332789181/lccn 2022396289 may wish to 
update their local records.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

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Another recent title for correction: on 1293220430, דיוקן בשביל הדורות, with 24 
holding libraries.

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 12:36 PM
To: Barry Dov Walfish ; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel ; Frau-Cortes, Neil 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Barry for the win! Friends, please let me refresh your memories on the 
foreign-loan word practice we discussed in 2016 and 2017 and recorded in 
HCM-RDA, p. 17: “In the case of foreign loan words of Latin or Greek origin, 
Alcalay should not
Barry for the win!

Friends, please let me refresh your memories on the foreign-loan word practice 
we discussed in 
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 and 
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 and recorded in HCM-RDA, p. 17:
“In the case of foreign loan words of Latin or Greek origin, Alcalay should not 
be followed, and an initial consonantal cluster is treated as a sheva naḥ. 
These initial clusters retain the effect of vowel "heightening"--the sheṿa of 
the prefixes be-, ke-, and le- becomes a ḥiriḳ: bi-, ki-, li-.”

Frequently encountered Latin/Greek origin words are found on the 
wiki<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/118838121/Foreign*20loan*20words*t__;JSUj!!KGKeukY!wZ27lgwSm_QH9alEx5OO1XnFO8DDs_VKPQBwoaEIUyY1bSgA7DfxtSdr1nH6aFPnEJV7w7JKz1MRbkiNRwQUKA$>,
 dyoḳan among them.

Please let me know if there are further questions. Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:41 AM
To: Frau-Cortes, Neil 
mailto:nfraucor...@broward.org>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word? Barry On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9: 
39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco  wrote: For 
what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the 
dalet. 
Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word?
Barry

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on 
the dalet. As for Dyok. an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being 
user-friendly, but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks 
extremely odd,
For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on 
the dalet.

As for Dyok.an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being user-friendly, 
but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks extremely odd, no 
matter if you consider the second one a semi-consonant.

Neil M. Frau-Cortes
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From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:07 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu>>; heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows דיוקן 
with a Sheva under the ד. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under 
the ד? If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the 
romanization
Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows דיוקן 
with a Sheva under the ד. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under 
the ד? If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the 
romanization
Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay:

It shows דיוקן  with a Sheva under the ד.

Does it appear in E-S 

Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Barry for the win!

Friends, please let me refresh your memories on the foreign-loan word practice 
we discussed in 
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 > and 
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 > and recorded in HCM-RDA, p. 17:
“In the case of foreign loan words of Latin or Greek origin, Alcalay should not 
be followed, and an initial consonantal cluster is treated as a sheva naḥ. 
These initial clusters retain the effect of vowel "heightening"--the sheṿa of 
the prefixes be-, ke-, and le- becomes a ḥiriḳ: bi-, ki-, li-.”

Frequently encountered Latin/Greek origin words are found on the 
wiki<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/118838121/Foreign*20loan*20words*t__;JSUj!!KGKeukY!wZ27lgwSm_QH9alEx5OO1XnFO8DDs_VKPQBwoaEIUyY1bSgA7DfxtSdr1nH6aFPnEJV7w7JKz1MRbkiNRwQUKA$
 >, dyoḳan among them.

Please let me know if there are further questions. Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:41 AM
To: Frau-Cortes, Neil ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word? Barry On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9: 
39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco  wrote: For 
what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the 
dalet. 
Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word?
Barry

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on 
the dalet. As for Dyok. an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being 
user-friendly, but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks 
extremely odd,
For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on 
the dalet.

As for Dyok.an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being user-friendly, 
but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks extremely odd, no 
matter if you consider the second one a semi-consonant.

Neil M. Frau-Cortes
PhD, MLIS
(pronouns<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.glsen.org/activity/pronouns-guide-glsen__;!!KGKeukY!0dUgb8QBn5ZjwWtq0ve2Sk02dyTaS24nF3HwQoBZZdA03RTP7DI9XMHRcPUtyrvF83k6qzSBdNfgExIZHLRq6T0GtzA$>:
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From: Heb-naco 
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Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:07 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu>>; heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows דיוקן 
with a Sheva under the ד. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under 
the ד? If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the 
romanization
Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows דיוקן 
with a Sheva under the ד. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under 
the ד? If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the 
romanization
Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay:

It shows דיוקן  with a Sheva under the ד.

Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under the ד?

If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the romanization 
is to be "dyoḳan".

Thanks, Heidi

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu>>
 on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:18 PM
To: heb-naco mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan 
(not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (דיוקן של 
פרשן ר' אברהם אבן עזרא), you may wish to u

Re: [Heb-NACO] Job Opportunity: Hebraica Library Specialist, University of Pennsylvania

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Apologies. Reposting with working link: 
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Looking forward to hearing from you! --Jasmin

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Job Opportunity: Hebraica Library Specialist, University of 
Pennsylvania

The University of Pennsylvania is hiring! Reporting to the Head of Global 
Studies Technical Services, the Hebraica Library Specialist, working at an 
advanced level and independently, will acquire and describe Hebrew language and 
related materials
The University of Pennsylvania is hiring!

Reporting to the Head of Global Studies Technical Services, the Hebraica 
Library Specialist, working at an advanced level and independently, will 
acquire and describe Hebrew language and related materials for the Penn 
Libraries in accordance with established standards and institutional policy. In 
both acquisitions and cataloging, the incumbent will perform complex 
problem-solving using advanced analytical skills. The incumbent will 
collaborate closely with the Hebraica Cataloging Librarian and the Curator of 
Judaica Collections.

Learn more 
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 Please feel free to reach out with any questions.

Thank you, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] Job Opportunity: Hebraica Library Specialist, University of Pennsylvania

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

The University of Pennsylvania is hiring!

Reporting to the Head of Global Studies Technical Services, the Hebraica 
Library Specialist, working at an advanced level and independently, will 
acquire and describe Hebrew language and related materials for the Penn 
Libraries in accordance with established standards and institutional policy. In 
both acquisitions and cataloging, the incumbent will perform complex 
problem-solving using advanced analytical skills. The incumbent will 
collaborate closely with the Hebraica Cataloging Librarian and the Curator of 
Judaica Collections.

Learn more 
here. Please feel free to reach out with any questions.

Thank you, Jasmin

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Hi, Rachel, thank you for bringing the record to our attention. I’ve made the 
requested corrections.

Kol tuv and besorot tovot, Jasmin

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Shalom, RAS Cataloging Committee, Please correct Matan Hermoni’s last name in 
this record. It is notהרמני and certainly not חרמני(!), but חרמוני. Thanks, 
Rachel Rachel Leket-Mor, Librarian Curator, Open Stack Collections, IsraPulp 
Collection
Shalom, RAS Cataloging Committee,

Please correct Matan Hermoni’s last name in this record.

It is notהרמני  and certainly not חרמני(!), but חרמוני.

Thanks,
Rachel


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[Heb-NACO] Fwd: Identifying duplicate records using machine learning—non-Latin data labeling for WorldCat

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Dear colleagues, please see below for an opportunity to contribute to OCLC 
deduplication efforts specific to records for Hebraica. I hope you'll consider 
participating!

Besorot tovot, Jasmin



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labeling for WorldCat



As part of continuous quality improvement efforts, earlier this year we began 
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

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Hi, Cliff.


Yiddish romanization is nothing like Hebrew romanization.



In the case below, we’re dealing with a Yiddish word of Hebrew origin, which is 
“romanized in a ‘Yiddishlike’ manner if found in what the cataloger determines 
to be a Yiddish context. … the current practice has been expanded to follow 
more closely the romanization in both [Wienreich] as well as Isidoro Niborski’s 
Ṿerṭerbukh fun Loshn-Ḳoydesh shṭamiḳe ṿerṭer (Paris, 2012) for most 
consonants, as well. … Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of 
vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק 
with the underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an .” (HCM-RDA, p. 22)



Looking in Niborski, then, under חתן (we are instructed to search for words 
without the article א), we see it given as כאסן with a קמץ under the א --> 
khosn; differentiating between כ and ח and adding the required diacritics 
yields ḥos̀n; adding the article yields aḥos̀n. As the first word in the 
title, it is capitalized, Aḥos̀n.



Please let me know if there are further questions. A joyous Sukot to all!


From: Cliff Miller 
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2023 9:19:40 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question


Does the presence of the second vowel kamets not affect the romanization?

Clifford Miller



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Yes, samekh and sin (and sof) are always distinguished.



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It’s in Weinreich also as khosn. So no differentiation between samekh and sin? 
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4: 34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco  wrote: Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I 
would

It’s in Weinreich also as khosn.

So no differentiation between samekh and sin?



On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4:34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it 
as "Aḥosn" "Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels 
and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק

Hi Caroline



My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn"





"Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most 
consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the 
underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an “h.” When Weinreich offers a 
choice of romanizations, the first is adopted. If a Hebrew two-word expression 
is written as two words in a Yiddish context, this spacing is imitated in the 
romanization. Hebrew Script Weinreich Niborski ALA-LC Romanization טוב יום 
YONTEV/YONTEF יאָנטעװ yon ṭev Kiper Yin יאָנקיפּער/יאָמקיפּער YONKIPER/YINKIPER 
יום כיפור הסופר עזרא -- -- Ezra ha-Soyfer.



I could not locate "חתן" in Weinrich so I went to Niborski.



Just my thoughts.



best, Heidi







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All, I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897. The first word 
in the title is אחתן with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת. The copy I 
see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the 
nikud appeared

All,



I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897.  The first word in 
the title is אחתן  with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת.



The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know 
how the nikud appeared on that piece.  Wouldn’t my piece be romanized 
“Aḥos̀on?” because of the two successively appearing kamatsim?



Wishing you all a happy Sukkot!



Caroline



Caroline R. Miller

Team 

Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: שם ועבר

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you for the Divre ha-yamim reference, Cliff. It is found as a pair in 
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 on Be-reshit 25:22, which is vocalized with the kamats.

I have added the pair to the Fixed expressions wiki 
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 >.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 4:48 PM
To: Marlene Schiffman ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: שם ועבר

Marlene, The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in 
Talmud and Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization) The name Ever does 
appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5. 13, vocalized with a 
kamets, just as
Marlene,
The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and 
Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization)
The name Ever does appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5.13, 
vocalized with a kamets, just as you surmised.
Shanah tovah u-metukah,
Clifford Miller

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Hi Jasmin, Quick question: Shem ve-Ever? Shem va-Ever? I found 2 records on LC 
that have it both ways—naturally! Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah? 
Thanks, חג שמח MRS Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman 
Library
Hi Jasmin,
Quick question: Shem ve-Ever?
Shem va-Ever?
I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally!
Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah?
Thanks, חג שמח
MRS

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Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly 
romanized Ben yatsivut le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the 
current Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields 
and other
Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah!

The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut 
le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current Ben yetsivut 
la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other fields were 
corrected/added.

For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your 
local records.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

(All three words, יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי, are in the romanization FAQ. LC was 
notified separately)

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

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Yes, samekh and sin (and sof) are always distinguished.

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 4:51 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; Heidi G Lerner 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

It’s in Weinreich also as khosn. So no differentiation between samekh and sin? 
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4: 34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco  wrote: Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I 
would
It’s in Weinreich also as khosn.
So no differentiation between samekh and sin?

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4:34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it 
as "Aḥosn" "Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels 
and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק
Hi Caroline

My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn"


"Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most 
consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the 
underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an “h.” When Weinreich offers a 
choice of romanizations, the first is adopted. If a Hebrew two-word expression 
is written as two words in a Yiddish context, this spacing is imitated in the 
romanization. Hebrew Script Weinreich Niborski ALA-LC Romanization טוב יום 
YONTEV/YONTEF יאָנטעװ yon ṭev Kiper Yin יאָנקיפּער/יאָמקיפּער YONKIPER/YINKIPER 
יום כיפור הסופר עזרא -- -- Ezra ha-Soyfer.

I could not locate "חתן" in Weinrich so I went to Niborski.

Just my thoughts.

best, Heidi



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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

All, I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897. The first word 
in the title is אחתן with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת. The copy I 
see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the 
nikud appeared

All,



I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897.  The first word in 
the title is אחתן  with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת.



The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know 
how the nikud appeared on that piece.  Wouldn’t my piece be romanized 
“Aḥos̀on?” because of the two successively appearing kamatsim?



Wishing you all a happy Sukkot!



Caroline



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[Heb-NACO] romanization: בין יציבות למהפכה

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah!

The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut 
le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current Ben yetsivut 
la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other fields were 
corrected/added.

For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your 
local records.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

(All three words, יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי, are in the romanization FAQ. LC was 
notified separately)

Thanks, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] romanization of שיהיו

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Hi, the above word is romanized she-yihyu (not she-yihEyu). It is the first 
title word in on1286012676; the 12 libraries with holdings may wish to update 
their local records.

(יהיה is in the rom. FAQ chart; יהיו follows the pattern.)

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] ספרה של תמר הרשקוביץ "רגע לפני שנאבד"

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Excellent, thanks for following up, Yossi.

—Jasmin

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] FW: ספרה של תמר הרשקוביץ "רגע לפני שנאבד"


Dafna Schori is the editor of Tamar Hershkovits’ book. Here is the answer to 
the question.



From: Dafna Schori
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:49 AM
To: Galron, Joseph 
Subject: Re: ספרה של תמר הרשקוביץ "רגע לפני שנאבד"

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היי יוסי, כיף לשמוע ממך! שנה טובה! 

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שלום דפנה ושנה טובה,

לאחרונה הגיע אלינו ספרה של תמר הרשקוביץ "רגע לפני שנאבד", ואנו (ספרנים המקטלגים 
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המילה האחרונה בשם הספר.



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[Heb-NACO] bib BFM, lccn2021420547

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hello and גמר חתימה טובה to all!

A friendly reminder that there is neither ‘oy’ nor ‘ei’ in Hebrew romanization. 
The title in on1273559327/lccn2021420547 (with 11 library holdings) should be 
romanized Noishṭain instead of the current Noyshṭein.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] רגע לפני שנאבד

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

It’s hard to know without context. If it is novad, then the English would be 
Just before we were lost. Reading the summary blurb, I wonder if it isn’t Regaʻ 
li-fene she-neʼabed, i.e., Just before we lose. Here’s hoping the author weighs 
in.

--Jasmin

From: Barry Dov Walfish 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 3:25 PM
To: Galron, Joseph ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Cc: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] רגע לפני שנאבד

I agree with Yossi. But then there's a problem with the English title, which 
probably should be Just Before We Lose.
Barry

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:13 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
I did not get a response yet from the author, but I think it should be Rega’ 
li-fene she-novad

Yossi

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From: Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 3:04 PM
To: Galron, Joseph mailto:galro...@osu.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: RE: רגע לפני שנאבד

Thank you for the source, Yossi. Per HCM-RDA, E-Sh is our dictionary of record. 
Ne’evad is thus correct as the nif‘al. If you think it’s useful to give the 
Hebrew Academy form, please add it in a 246. Of course, I’m not sure that the 
intended
Thank you for the source, Yossi. Per HCM-RDA, E-Sh is our dictionary of record. 
Ne’evad is thus correct as the nif‘al.

If you think it’s useful to give the Hebrew Academy form, please add it in a 
246. Of course, I’m not sure that the intended binyan is nif‘al. Looking 
forward to hearing what the author says!

Thanks again and kol tuv, Jasmin

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From: Shinohara, Jasmin
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To: Galron, Joseph mailto:galro...@osu.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
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Subject: RE: רגע לפני שנאבד

Hi, Yossi, Even-Shoshan gives the nif ‘al form as נֶאֱבַד, i. e. , ne'evad. 
What is the source for ne’aved? Thanks, Jasmin From: Heb-naco 
 On Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
Sent: Sunday, September

Hi, Yossi, Even-Shoshan gives the nif ‘al form as נֶאֱבַד, i.e., ne'evad. What 
is the source for ne’aved?

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:56 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] רגע לפני 

Re: [Heb-NACO] רגע לפני שנאבד

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you for the source, Yossi. Per HCM-RDA, E-Sh is our dictionary of record. 
Ne’evad is thus correct as the nif‘al.

If you think it’s useful to give the Hebrew Academy form, please add it in a 
246. Of course, I’m not sure that the intended binyan is nif‘al. Looking 
forward to hearing what the author says!

Thanks again and kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Galron, Joseph 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:58 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: רגע לפני שנאבד

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From: Shinohara, Jasmin
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To: Galron, Joseph mailto:galro...@osu.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: RE: רגע לפני שנאבד

Hi, Yossi, Even-Shoshan gives the nif ‘al form as נֶאֱבַד, i. e. , ne'evad. 
What is the source for ne’aved? Thanks, Jasmin From: Heb-naco 
 On Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
Sent: Sunday, September

Hi, Yossi, Even-Shoshan gives the nif ‘al form as נֶאֱבַד, i.e., ne'evad. What 
is the source for ne’aved?

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:56 PM
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mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] רגע לפני שנאבד

Colleagues
There are 10 libraries on OCLC the hold this book by Tamar Hershkovitz: רגע 
לפני שנאבד = Just before we lost. (OCLC # 1371506533)
It was transliterated as: Rega’ li-fene she-ne’evad.
It does not look right to me. There are two or three ways that I would 
transcribe it:

Rega’ li-fene she-ne’aved (Binyan Nif’al)
Or
Rega’ li-fene she-novad (Binyan Kal)
Or
Rega’ li-fene she-ne’abed (Binyan Pi’el)

What do you think?
(I wrote to the author and asked her)

Yossi Galron-Goldschläger

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization of לפני ולפנים

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you, Barry and Yossi, for your prompt responses to Marlene! —Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  on 
behalf of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 10:11:49 PM
To: Marlene Schiffman ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization of לפני ולפנים

Hi, Marlene, See: https: //hebrew-academy. org. 
il/2018/10/29/%D7%9C%D7%A4%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%A4%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D/ 
Barry On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9: 44 PM Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco 
 wrote: Can you explain
Hi, Marlene,
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Barry

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9:44 PM Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco 
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Can you explain why it's not li-fene? Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Get 
Outlook for Android From: Heb-naco  on 
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Monday, August
Can you explain why it's not li-fene?

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Hi, for the 12 libraries with holdings on the above title, on1266383474, you 
may wish to update your local records. The title proper is correctly romanized 
Li-fenai ṿeli-fenim (not Li-fene). Please let me know if there are any 
questions. Thanks,

Hi, for the 12 libraries with holdings on the above title, on1266383474, you 
may wish to update your local records. The title proper is correctly romanized 
Li-fenai ṿeli-fenim (not Li-fene).



Please let me know if there are any questions.



Thanks, Jasmin



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[Heb-NACO] romanization of לפני ולפנים

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Hi, for the 12 libraries with holdings on the above title, on1266383474, you 
may wish to update your local records. The title proper is correctly romanized 
Li-fenai ṿeli-fenim (not Li-fene).

Please let me know if there are any questions.

Thanks, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] FW: Reminder_ Online program: Developing ALA-LC Romanization Tables Alongside New Technologies for Improved Discovery: Case Study ADLaM

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Sharing a session of possible interest.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: ld4p2-non-latin-materi...@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dagher, Iman
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 9:58 AM
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Subject: Reminder_ Online program: Developing ALA-LC Romanization Tables 
Alongside New Technologies for Improved Discovery: Case Study ADLaM

Hi,
Apology for the duplication. Sending a reminder to consider joining the CC:AAM 
program on Wednesday..

Iman
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Title: Developing ALA-LC Romanization Tables Alongside New Technologies for 
Improved Discovery: Case Study ADLaM


Sponsored by: Core Committee on Cataloging: African and Asian Materials 
(CC:AAM), ALA-LC Romanization Table Review Board

Presenters: Beacher Wiggins, Charles Riley, Erin Freas-Smith, Neil Patel, 
Jessalyn Zoom

Moderator: Boutsaba Janetvilay


Date: Aug 23, 2023 1:00 Eastern/12:00 Central/11:00 Mountain/10:00 Pacific; 1 
hour


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Description: Romanization Tables are jointly maintained by the American Library 
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is charged with appointing Review Subcommittees to conduct the review and 
approval of new and updated romanization proposals. In spring 2023, the ALA-LC 
Romanization Table Review Board approved the newly created romanization table 
for ADLaM, a script developed in the late 1980s for a group of Fulani languages 
spoken chiefly in West Africa. The table was independently created by Africana 
cataloger Charles Riley of Yale University over several years in response to 
the marked increase in publications in ADLaM script. The program will highlight 
the development of the ADLaM Romanization table with active engagement of the 
script user community. The new table covers several areas of development 
including: the display of Unicode code points to clarify the identification of 
the characters in the table, the test of character input in the Bibframe Editor 
MARVA, and the creation and integration of a bi-directional transliteration 
tool into the ScriptShifter, an application to facilitate input of non-Latin 
scripts. This process underscores the critical role played by technology to 
streamline the workflow of romanization and improve bibliographic accuracy and 
discoverability of non-Latin script material. The presentation will conclude 
with a future look at the potential of technological integration and the role 
of the Review Board.


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[Heb-NACO] FW: [PCCLIST] Announcement: Update on the use of the MARC 21 667 for notes regarding URIs in NACO records

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

FYI. Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin

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Subject: [PCCLIST] Announcement: Update on the use of the MARC 21 667 for notes 
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Announcement: Update on the use of the MARC 21 667 for notes regarding URIs in 
NACO records


Background: In 2019, participants in the PCC URIs in MARC 
Pilot
 began adding URIs to the MARC 21 Authority 024 field. Later, the pilot was 
expanded to include 3XX and 5XX fields.  As part of the pilot, a 667 note was 
required.

Originally, the 667 note added was:

667 ## $a URIs added to this record for the PCC URI MARC Pilot. Please do not 
remove or edit the URIs.

Eventually, the requirement to add the 667 note for URIs in the 024 was 
discontinued, but a 667 note was still required when adding URIs to 3XX and/or 
5XX fields:

667 ## $a URIs added to 3XX and/or 5XX fields in this record for the PCC URI 
MARC Pilot. Please do not remove or edit these URIs.

One of the outcomes of the subgroup was the creation of best practice 
guidelines
 for using the 024 field in NACO records.

Current Practice: NACO catalogers should no longer add a MARC 21 667 field note 
in name authority records when adding URIs in the 024, 3XX, or 5XX fields. When 
updating a NACO record for another reason, catalogers may delete any existing 
667 notes about the inclusion of URIs. Catalogers are free to edit $0s and $1s 
in MARC authority fields if they contain errors that need to be corrected.


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[Heb-NACO] FW: [PCCLIST] Announcement: NACO MARC21 046: Subfields $q and $r available for use

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

FYI. Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks, Jasmin

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Mackenzie, Tricia
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 3:19 PM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Announcement: NACO MARC21 046: Subfields $q and $r available 
for use


Announcement: NACO MARC21 046: Subfields $q and $r available for use

MARC field 046 subfields $q (establishment date) and $r (termination date) are 
now valid for use in NACO corporate name authority records. Existing NACO 
corporate body records that have establishment date and termination date in 
subfields $s and $t will not be programmatically updated to use subfields $q 
and $r. However, when updating an already existing corporate body record, NACO 
catalogers are encouraged to evaluate the 046 field and manually update the 
subfields to $q and $r as needed.

Note: Subfield $s (start period) and subfield $t (end period) are also valid 
for use in NACO corporate name authority records in some cases. If subfield $s 
and subfield $t do not represent establishment date and termination date, do 
not change the subfield values.

NACO documentation will be updated soon to reflect the change in practice.

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[Heb-NACO] Fwd: Postponed "Day One" for non-Latin references in NARs; New Task Group

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

FYI. Please let me know if there are any questions. שבת שלום, Jasmin

From: OCLC-Cataloging  on behalf of Matthew C. Haugen 

Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 6:41:01 PM
To: oclc-...@oclclists.org 
Subject: [OCLC-CAT] Fwd: Postponed "Day One" for non-Latin references in NARs; 
New Task Group

With apologies for cross-posting, I am passing on this message from the Program 
for Cooperative Cataloging regarding the treatment of non-Latin references in 
LC-NACO name authority records:



Dear NACO Colleagues:


We would like to draw your attention to an update on the PCC Policy regarding 
Non-Latin references in NACO records. The PCC has decided to delay 
implementation of the new Non-Latin reference practice, and to defer publishing 
the proposed revisions to the DCM Z1 and other documentation. August 15, 2023 
will no longer be "Day One." Please continue reading for background information 
and important next steps.


On May 16, 2023, the PCC Policy Committee approved the Standing Committee on 
Standards’ Policy Recommendations on Non-Latin Script Cross-Reference Special 
Coding Practice in the LC/NACO Name Authority 
File.
 This report proposed initial policy revisions resulting in an end to the 
long-standing practice in place since July 13, 2008, that required NARs with 
non-Latin Script References to be coded as “unevaluated,” (008/29=b), even if 
the cataloger did evaluate those references in newly created or revised NARs.


SCS had originally recommended that the new practice go into effect on August 
15, 2023, coinciding with the expected publication of the associated updates to 
the Descriptive Cataloging Manual Z1 (DCM Z1), the NACO Participants’ Manual, 
and the LC Guidelines Supplement to the MARC Authority Format on that date.


The PCC has since charged the Task Group on Evaluation Guidelines for Non-Latin 
Script References in Name Authority 
Records.
 This new task group is charged to develop guidelines for evaluation of 
non-Latin script references, in response to a number of questions that have not 
yet been answered by the SCS’s report or previous reports. The Task Group 
reflects deep experience in NACO work and in the relevant scripts, along with 
representation from several relevant script-based NACO funnel projects and 
other stakeholder communities. We thank the Task Group for their upcoming work 
on this long-awaited guidance.


In the meantime, there is continued uncertainty about how to implement the new 
practice since the SCS report was issued. Additionally, LC has since announced 
changes
 to the distribution of LC-PCC documentation. Therefore, the PCC has decided to 
delay implementation of the new Non-Latin reference practice, and to defer 
publishing the proposed revisions to LC-PCC documentation. Instead, the new 
Task Group will propose a new “Day One” implementation date, aligned with its 
completed recommendations. We currently anticipate the completion of the Task 
Group’s charge in spring of 2024. This delay will also provide additional time 
to conduct testing of new guidelines, and develop training and FAQs. The SCS 
report
 has now been slightly revised to reflect this deferred “Day One.”


Again, until the Task Group’s recommendations are approved and a new “Day One” 
is announced, there is no change to current practice. Catalogers should 
continue the current practice of special coding for non-Latin script references 
(008/29=b + 667 notes).


We appreciate your patience and flexibility while the Task Group and the PCC 
continue this important work. If you have suggestions, concerns, or questions, 
you may contact the chairs of SCS or the Task Group. You may also consult the 
task group's page on the SCS 
wiki
 for 

Re: [Heb-NACO] follow-up to my earlier email

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

The question is whether we expect catalogers to know these grammatical minutiae…

From: Heb-naco  on behalf of 
Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 10:47:41 PM
To: heb-naco 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] follow-up to my earlier email

When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s 
followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel 
which ends the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal. Jasmin, 
In your

When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s 
followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel 
which ends the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal.  Jasmin, 
In your examples, the “yod” at the end of שפתי, and the “hay” at the end of 
מראה, are not considered consonants, so the last vowels of each word do 
immediately precede the beged-kefet letter of the second word.


best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, Cliff.

Yes, technically and ideally, you are correct. But expecting catalogers to know 
when a second word should aspirated would be expecting a knowledge of Hebrew 
grammar that is unrealistic for almost all of us. We suffice with knowledge of 
prefixes/little words and their impact on בג"ד כפ"ת/beged kefet, i.e., that it 
is correctly romanized bi-Vene.

Exceptions areמראה כהן  and שפתי כהן, Marʼeh Khohen and Śifte Khohen, 
respectively, which are from a piyut and a pasuk, respectively, so we try to 
follow the sources. But there are still plenty of records with Marʼeh/Śifte 
K/kohen…


From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Cliff Miller via 
Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 10:14 AM
To: Rose Shoshanah Seidman ; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

Did I overlook an obvious answer? I do not recall seeing anyone who suggested 
Bi-Vene Verak Ki-Vene Verak Li-Vene Verak Mi-Bene Verak Shouldn’t this be the 
accepted form? Rabbi Clifford B Miller, MLS, DD Home: [973] 228-3139 Library of 
the
Did I overlook an obvious answer?
I do not recall seeing anyone who suggested
Bi-Vene Verak
Ki-Vene Verak
Li-Vene Verak
Mi-Bene Verak

Shouldn’t this be the accepted form?

Rabbi Clifford B Miller, MLS, DD   Home: [973] 228-3139
Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary


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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Good catch, thanks, Aaron!

From: Taub, Jeremiah Aaron 
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 11:57 AM
To: Lili Brown ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; Shinohara, Jasmin ; Marlene 
Schiffman ; Galron, Joseph 
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

Dear All,

In terms of capitalization, LC romanizes as ha-Ḥonen le-Adam Daʻat.

Best,
A

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For some our newer colleagues and those less familiar with liturgical texts, it 
may not be so obvious.



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The title page sure looks like a heh, but it is obviously ha-h. onen le-adam 
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Heb-naco  on behalf of 
Galron,

The title page sure looks like a heh, but it is obviously ha-h.onen le-adam 
da'at with a het.



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**External Email**

Lili,

It is החונן – ha-.honen



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Yossi





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kol tsoholah 1. pdf Hi all, Hopping on the Romanization help train here. Thanks 
in advance for your time and assistance! I'm cataloging a reproduction of ספר 
קול צהלה (original OCLC: #500291215) and am stuck on the word ההונן in the 
subtitle. 

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Hi all,



Hopping on the Romanization help train here. Thanks in advance for your time 
and assistance!



I'm cataloging a reproduction of ספר קול צהלה (original OCLC: #500291215) and 
am stuck on the word ההונן in the subtitle. I've attached the title page - as 
you can see, the reprodu

Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

For some our newer colleagues and those less familiar with liturgical texts, it 
may not be so obvious.

The expressionהחונן לאדם דעת , ha-.honen le-adam da‘at, is from the 
weekdayעמידה 
/‘Amidah prayer, where the fourth 
berakhah is

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; Lili Brown 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

The title page sure looks like a heh, but it is obviously ha-h. onen le-adam 
da'at with a het. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Get Outlook for Android From: 
Heb-naco  on behalf of 
Galron,
The title page sure looks like a heh, but it is obviously ha-h.onen le-adam 
da'at with a het.

Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
Get Outlook for 
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**External Email**

Lili,

It is החונן – ha-.honen



See

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Yossi





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kol tsoholah 1. pdf Hi all, Hopping on the Romanization help train here. Thanks 
in advance for your time and assistance! I'm cataloging a reproduction of ספר 
קול צהלה (original OCLC: #500291215) and am stuck on the word ההונן in the 
subtitle. 

[Image removed by sender.]kol tsoholah 
1.pdf



Hi all,



Hopping on the Romanization help train here. Thanks in advance for your time 
and assistance!



I'm cataloging a reproduction of ספר קול צהלה (original OCLC: #500291215) and 
am stuck on the word ההונן in the subtitle. I've attached the title page - as 
you can see, the reproduction isn't crystal clear, but I feel certain that the 
spelling is ההונן rather than one of the ה's being a ח, but I could definitely 
be wrong. A keyword search of this word didn't lend me any results, and I can't 
seem to track it down in Even Shoshan (pages I consulted also attached).



In context, the whole subtitle phrase makes me think it is a sort of 
conjugation or (mis?)spelling of הון, so my best guess at the Romanization is 
ha-honan.



Curious what others think and would appreciate any perspectives!



Best,

Lili



P.S. - if anyone can't view the PDF attachment, let me know. I originally 
attached it to the email as a separate file (versus a OneDrive link), but the 
listserv said it was too big a file to send out. My apologies if that means 
this email went out twice...!



Lili Brown (she/her)

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Services

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, all. Thank you, Vanessa, for your question. I think a few different aspects 
of romanization have gotten mixed together.


  1.  Per HCM-RDA, p. 19, the standard romanized forms of place names are based 
on the form found in E-Sh. and, if not found there, the form in Entsiklopedyah 
ha-‘Ivrit (E. ha-‘I.). E-Sh. has an entry for בִּיזַנְטִי and within the 
definition gives the form בִּיזַנְטוֹן, but there is no entry or usage of 
ביזנטיון in E-Sh. The entry for ביזנטיון is in v.8 of E. ha-‘I.; unfortunately, 
the Internet Archive 
scan is a bit blurry and it’s not clear what, if any, vocalization is present 
under the letters ב and ט. I’ve requested the hard copy from our off-site 
storage. The ṿaṿ has a ḥolam, so it’s definitely Biz…on not Biz…un.



  1.  The examples given of בני ברק and בבל are both of Hebrew names/words; as 
such, rules of aspiration apply, yielding the forms be-Vavel and bi-Vene Berak, 
along with bi-Verit ha-Mo’atsot as Yossi explained. Hebrew grammar rules 
applied to Hebrew names cannot be used to infer treatment of non-Hebrew/foreign 
names. (I.e., be-Vavel =/=> be-Viz…on)


  1.  ביזנטיון is a foreign word/name, as is ברלין. Searching LC for forms of 
בברלין yields the expected be-Berlin. The same treatment would follow for 
בביזנטיון --> be-Bizanṭyon/be-Bizanṭiyon (pending what’s found in E. ha-‘I.). 
For בברוקלין, LC has a mix of be- and bi-Bruḳlin. Notably, there is no 
bX-Vruḳlin. Per HCM-RDA, p. 17, “These initial clusters retain the effect of 
vowel "heightening"--the sheṿa of the prefixes be-, ke-, and le- becomes a 
ḥiriḳ: bi-, ki-, li-.” Bi-Bruḳlin is correct.


  1.  בירושלים is romanized as bi-Yerushalayim for separate, unrelated reasons, 
and has no relation to the romanization of other place names that either do or 
do not follow Hebrew grammar rules of aspiration and vowel-heightening 
(depending on their origin).


  1.  HCM-RDA, p. 18, specifically states that the correct form is be-Polin, 
not be-Folin. I’m sure all our catalogs have wrong forms, not just LC. 

Regarding the instruction “A few loan words are also treated as though exempt 
from the rules governing the aspiration/non-aspiration of b/v, k/kh, and p/f 
when preceded by an open syllable”, I agree that it could be more helpful. I 
think most loan words are treated as exempt from the rules of 
aspiration/non-aspiration; exceptions are indicated in the Romanization 
FAQ (see entries under ב and פ). I noted that this section needs revision.

Please let me know if there are any questions! Thanks, Jasmin

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Well, I don’t agree with the notion that we have to transcribe the non-Hebrew 
names according to the rules of the Hebrew language.
A search in the OCLC database found 1266 hits for “be-Polin” (of those there 
are 146 records from the Library of Congress) and 140 hits for “be-Folin” (of 
those there are 2 records from LC).
Hebrew place name (Bene Berak, Berit ha-mo’atsot, etc.) should be transcribed 
according to the Hebrew grammar rules (i.e bi-Vene Berak, bi-Verit ha-moatsot, 
etc.)

That reminds me on the story about the discussion in the Israeli Kenesset in 
the 1950s when Rabbi Fishman of the Mafdal party  complained that the 
government does not encourage the use of proper grammatical rules, especially a 
case of Dagesh in the letters Bet, Gimel, Dalet, Kaf, Peh and Tav when they are 
at the beginning of a word. David Ben Gurion answered – “Mar Pishman tsodek”, 
and that ended the discussion.

Yossi


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Hi Vanessa, Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant. yun. It 
is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for 
בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that 
said I also

Hi Vanessa,

Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant.yun. It is a foreign 
loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for בברוקלין (in 
Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also 
search for בבני ברק and found bi-Vene Berak. My inclination would be to have 
the B instead of a V, for the sake 

Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Yossi, I didn’t see anywhere that the publication in question was specifically 
by Ben Yehudah, so I gave a broader response. Sorry if I missed something.

P.S. As cataloging moves to more inclusive conventions and terminology, BC and 
AD are being phased out in favor of BCE and CE, respectively.

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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 2:54 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

Jasmin,
Thank you for your message.
The question is not when the Temple was destroyed, 68, 69 or 70 A.D. The 
question is what year did Ben Yehudah and his publications think that the 
Temple was destroyed and according to that year calculated the date on the 
published book or newspaper. According to the sources that year was 69 A.D., so 
we have to add 69 to the date on the publication.
Yossi

P.S. If you don’t like A.D. – you can read it as C.E.

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that 
is, between 1902-1905]. Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, 
“Publication date is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which 
occurred between
There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that 
is, between 1902-1905].

Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, “Publication date is counted 
from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred between 68-70 CE.”

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn@lists.osu.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:21 AM
To: Robert M. TALBOTT 
mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>>; Hebrew 
Name Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; 
Yossi Galron mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi 
had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 
years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use 
of the
Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi 
had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 
years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use 
of the date 69 CE as the year of the destruction of Bayit Sheni. Dates given 
range from 68 CE (per Seder Olam Rabbah) to 70 CE (per Sefer Ezra‘). To be 
safe, you probably ought to give the Gregorian date as the range “between 
1902-1905”.

As for recording the publication date, I’d transcribe what’s on the piece in 
the vernacular field and supply the Gregorian equivalent in square brackets 
following the romanized form of the date:
300 |c אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן.
300 |c elef 836 la-H.urban [that is, between 1902- 1905]
Optionally, you could add a 500 descriptive note explaining that the date 
provided is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred 
sometime between 68 to 70 of the Common Era.

Kol tuv and שבת שלום, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
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Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:34 PM
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Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

Hi Yossi: Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917, $c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 
or 1912] $c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912] 500 Publication date is 
based on the destruction of the Second Temple. My two cents On Thu, Jul 20,
Hi Yossi:

Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917,
$c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 or 1912]
$c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912]
500 Publication date is based on the destruction of the Second Temple.

My two cents

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 9:55 AM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at 
this link A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in 
the bibliographic record? Joseph Galron-Goldschläger –– Joseph (Yossi) 
Galron-Goldschläger
In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at 
this 
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A rel

Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that 
is, between 1902-1905].

Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, “Publication date is counted 
from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred between 68-70 CE.”

From: Heb-naco  On 
Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:21 AM
To: Robert M. TALBOTT ; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel ; Yossi Galron 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi 
had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 
years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use 
of the
Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi 
had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 
years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use 
of the date 69 CE as the year of the destruction of Bayit Sheni. Dates given 
range from 68 CE (per Seder Olam Rabbah) to 70 CE (per Sefer Ezra‘). To be 
safe, you probably ought to give the Gregorian date as the range “between 
1902-1905”.

As for recording the publication date, I’d transcribe what’s on the piece in 
the vernacular field and supply the Gregorian equivalent in square brackets 
following the romanized form of the date:
300 |c אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן.
300 |c elef 836 la-H.urban [that is, between 1902- 1905]
Optionally, you could add a 500 descriptive note explaining that the date 
provided is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred 
sometime between 68 to 70 of the Common Era.

Kol tuv and שבת שלום, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:34 PM
To: Yossi Galron mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

Hi Yossi: Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917, $c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 
or 1912] $c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912] 500 Publication date is 
based on the destruction of the Second Temple. My two cents On Thu, Jul 20,
Hi Yossi:

Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917,
$c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 or 1912]
$c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912]
500 Publication date is based on the destruction of the Second Temple.

My two cents

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 9:55 AM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at 
this link A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in 
the bibliographic record? Joseph Galron-Goldschläger –– Joseph (Yossi) 
Galron-Goldschläger
In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at 
this 
link<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/hebrew-academy.org.il/2018/02/12/**G-**G-**I-**M-**O/__;15vXmdem15PXoNee16DXldeU16nXoNeZ153Xkdee15nXnNeV16DXmdeR15_WvteZ15TXldeT15Q!!KGKeukY!xxU4vvxjuUwa9oIOKA9e-JSshlqr319CrTuUpe-o9OZMBKbkDiqVFMAcQo7ba1U8S3iUqaopEp8Ab07td1JV$>

A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in the 
bibliographic record?


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On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:36 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Colleagues,
How do you calculate the date of publication when the date on the book is based 
on the date of the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem:
בשנת אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן

Thank you

Yossi


Yossi Galron-Goldschläger

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Joseph (Yossi) 
Galron-Goldschläge

Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi 
had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 
years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use 
of the date 69 CE as the year of the destruction of Bayit Sheni. Dates given 
range from 68 CE (per Seder Olam Rabbah) to 70 CE (per Sefer Ezra‘). To be 
safe, you probably ought to give the Gregorian date as the range “between 
1902-1905”.

As for recording the publication date, I’d transcribe what’s on the piece in 
the vernacular field and supply the Gregorian equivalent in square brackets 
following the romanized form of the date:
300 |c אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן.
300 |c elef 836 la-H.urban [that is, between 1902- 1905]
Optionally, you could add a 500 descriptive note explaining that the date 
provided is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred 
sometime between 68 to 70 of the Common Era.

Kol tuv and שבת שלום, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:34 PM
To: Yossi Galron ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the 
Temple

Hi Yossi: Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917, $c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 
or 1912] $c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912] 500 Publication date is 
based on the destruction of the Second Temple. My two cents On Thu, Jul 20,
Hi Yossi:

Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917,
$c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 or 1912]
$c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912]
500 Publication date is based on the destruction of the Second Temple.

My two cents

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 9:55 AM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at 
this link A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in 
the bibliographic record? Joseph Galron-Goldschläger –– Joseph (Yossi) 
Galron-Goldschläger
In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at 
this 
link

A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in the 
bibliographic record?


Joseph Galron-Goldschläger
––
Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies 
Library
and German Language and Literature Librarian
305 G Thompson Memorial Library
The Ohio State University Libraries
1858 Neil Ave. Mall
Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918
Mobile: (614) 285-4290
E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or 
jgal...@gmail.com

Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature:
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals
http://go.osu.edu/jpress


On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:36 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Colleagues,
How do you calculate the date of publication when the date on the book is based 
on the date of the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem:
בשנת אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן

Thank you

Yossi


Yossi Galron-Goldschläger

--
יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר
טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954
Йозеф Галрон Гольдшлегер
Joseph (Yossi) 
Galron-Goldschläger
Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies 
Library
and German Language and Literature Librarian
305 G Thompson Memorial Library
The Ohio State University Libraries
1858 Neil Ave. Mall
Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918
Mobile: (614) 805-9954
E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or 
jgal...@gmail.com

Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature:

[Heb-NACO] mahpekhah, NOT mahApekhah

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, the 18 libraries with holdings on on1264986580, המהפכה הציונית, may wish to 
update their local records. The first word is vocalized מַהְפֵּכָה (with a 
sheva naḥ under the heh) and is thus romanized ha-Mahpekhah (not 
ha-MahApekhah).

Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] romanized suffix -יזם

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Hello again, record on1379189501, with 20 holdings, has the first title word 
שאמניזם. The foreign-loan suffix -ism is romanized -izm, not -izem or -izim 
(see the Romanization FAQ 
chart). You may wish to update your respective local records.

Thanks, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] mahashavah --> mahshavah

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Dear colleagues, a friendly reminder that the romanization of the word מחשבה 
was changed from previous E-Sh editions, מַחֲשָׁבָה, to the current form, 
מַחְשָׁבָה. This is noted on the wiki page for changed 
romanizations.

The 13 libraries with holdings on on1259333743/lccn 2021420738 and the 5 with 
holdings on on1256657789/lccn 2020460206 may wish to update their local records.

Thanks, Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] Feedback Reminder: Jewish-Arab relations, etc.--BY FRIDAY

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hello colleagues and friends, I hope this email finds you well and enjoying 
summer!

The deadline for submitting feedback on the new and revised subjects and 
modified classification schedule is this coming Friday, June 30. Please do 
share your thoughts and any concerns. If nothing else, we'll be grateful to 
hear that the revisions and updates will meet your cataloging needs or, if not, 
the reason(s) why it will not. All links are found in the email below.

Looking forward to getting your feedback!

Thanks and best wishes,

Jasmin, for the Jewish-Arab relations, etc. working group

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 3:16 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Follow up: Jewish-Arab relations, the Israeli-Palestinian 
conflict, etc. in LCSH and LCC

Dear colleagues, Thank you to those who were able to join us at our 
presentation and discussion on May 17. As promised, here are the relevant 
links: Recording Slides Draft proposals Feedback form Next steps: Please share 
your comments and thoughts

Dear colleagues,



Thank you to those who were able to join us at our presentation and discussion 
on May 17. As promised, here are the relevant links:

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Next steps:

  *   Please share your comments and thoughts via the above form by June 30.
  *   In early July, the working group will reconvene to incorporate any 
changes.
  *   The formal proposals will be submitted to LC by July 21 to be included in 
the August tentative list.
  *   Comments and suggestions for terms on the tentative list should be sent 
to listcomme...@loc.gov<mailto:listcomme...@loc.gov> between July 24-Aug. 18.
  *   The LC editorial meeting will be held on Aug 18th. If you will wish to 
attend the open, virtual editorial meeting, please email 
pol...@loc.gov<mailto:pol...@loc.gov> with subject line "Editorial meeting 
access for 2308" by Aug. 14.



Questions about the process can be sent to me 
(jsh...@upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu>). Questions about the proposals or 
about related terms not included in the proposals can be sent via the feedback 
form.


Thank you for your participation in this process - we value your input! With 
best wishes,

Jasmin

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[Heb-NACO] Follow up: Jewish-Arab relations, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, etc. in LCSH and LCC

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Dear colleagues,



Thank you to those who were able to join us at our presentation and discussion 
on May 17. As promised, here are the relevant links:

Recording

Slides

Draft 
proposals

Feedback 
form



Next steps:

  *   Please share your comments and thoughts via the above form by June 30.
  *   In early July, the working group will reconvene to incorporate any 
changes.
  *   The formal proposals will be submitted to LC by July 21 to be included in 
the August tentative list.
  *   Comments and suggestions for terms on the tentative list should be sent 
to listcomme...@loc.gov between July 24-Aug. 18.
  *   The LC editorial meeting will be held on Aug 18th. If you will wish to 
attend the open, virtual editorial meeting, please email 
pol...@loc.gov with subject line "Editorial meeting 
access for 2308" by Aug. 14.



Questions about the process can be sent to me 
(jsh...@upenn.edu). Questions about the proposals or 
about related terms not included in the proposals can be sent via the feedback 
form.


Thank you for your participation in this process - we value your input! With 
best wishes,

Jasmin

---
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Hebraica Cataloging Librarian
[Penn Libraries 
logo]

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - RAS-AJL Cataloging Committee meeting and call for agenda items

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Yes, thanks for raising this Marlene. Neil, please add a section for LCSH 
updates and discussion. Aaron and I can update on Jewish-Arab 
relations/Arab-Israeli conflict headings (presentation tomorrow!), and I can 
share a new project being undertaken to change BC/AD to BCE/CE in NARs and SARs.

--Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Marlene Schiffman 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 8:13 AM
To: Frau-Cortes, Neil ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - RAS-AJL Cataloging Committee meeting and call 
for agenda items

Hi, How do we advance the Christian biases in subject headings? Are we to 
assume that the only way to change them is to propose each one individually? 
That’s a lot of work. I think it’s similar to the case of Marranos which was 
changed by some
Hi,
How do we advance the Christian biases in subject headings? Are we to assume 
that the only way to change them is to propose each one individually? That’s a 
lot of work. I think it’s similar to the case of Marranos which was changed by 
some agreement that it was not a proper term. Of course, each one has to be 
worked on, but as a set of terms, they have to be addressed as needing 
modification.
MRS

Marlene Schiffman
Metadata and Services Department
Gottesman Library
Yeshiva University
500 West 185th Street
New York, N.Y. 10033

Gottesman Library
Room 301
646 592 4276

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Subject: [EXT] - [Heb-NACO] RAS-AJL Cataloging Committee meeting and call for 
agenda items

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Dear all, Please mark your calendars for the annual RAS-AJL Cataloging 
Committee meeting which will be held on June 15th, 12: 00 EDT. That is the week 
before AJL conference. Connection details will be shared later in the month. In 
the meantime,
Dear all,

Please mark your calendars for the annual RAS-AJL Cataloging Committee meeting 
which will be held on June 15th, 12:00 EDT. That is the week before AJL 
conference.

Connection details will be shared later in the month. In the meantime, this is 
a call for agenda items. Please send your suggestions to me, at neilfrau at 
gmail dot com.

In the meantime, here’s a provisional agenda for the meeting

• Approval of minutes
• Committee membership and chair.
• Possible modification of the current LC Classification Schedule 
caption in the BM674.6-BM674.76 range (Haggadot texts) to include the option of 
cuttering for commentor (or if necessary, publisher).(Aaron)
• Update on droppable title words? (Aaron)
• Updates from NLI? (David)
• Training for new catalogers (Haim, Jasmin, Aaron)
• Review and approval revised patronymic name policy on NARs 
(committee, Jasmin, Aaron).



Kol tuv,


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

And of course, I meant lcgft, not lcgdt. Thanks again, Haim.

Eagerly awaiting the weekend, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On 
Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 6:12 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; Nancy Sack 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

My apologies and thank you to Haim. Judeo-Arabic language is already 
established. This being the case, you could just use that with the subdivisions 
I suggested below to describe your work in hand. Of course, you’re also welcome 
to propose
My apologies and thank you to Haim. Judeo-Arabic language is already 
established. This being the case, you could just use that with the subdivisions 
I suggested below to describe your work in hand. Of course, you’re also welcome 
to propose the Judeo-Moroccan dialect as a new subject.

Thanks again, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 4:45 PM
To: Nancy Sack mailto:s...@hawaii.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

Aloha, Nancy! Thanks for your question. I found some relevant examples in OCLC. 
Please see the records for Judeo-Italian language (lccn sh 85068810) and 
Judeo-Tat language (lccn sh 97007140). Please also see the SHM H1154 on 
languages. The
Aloha, Nancy!

Thanks for your question. I found some relevant examples in OCLC. Please see 
the records for Judeo-Italian language (lccn sh 85068810) and Judeo-Tat 
language (lccn sh 97007140). Please also see the SHM H1154 on languages. The 
languages are geographically subdividable.

Based on the above, I think Judeo-Arabic language would first need to be 
established. The broader terms in the record would include Arabic language; and 
Jews |x Languages. You could also include broader geographic terms, e.g., 
Morocco |x Languages; Iraq |x Languages; other countries supported by literary 
warrant or reference sources (perhaps North Africa |x languages). Some 
suggested reference sources are Ethnologue and EJIW (Encyclopedia of Jews in 
the Islamic World) (and perhaps 
Wikipedia<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Arabic_dialects__;!!KGKeukY!y6Rj0cgOXl3jLUGCOYfGDgZAKR4a05UGm6QeRA1pWl-i78BsQc9yVG-nYCQ0ee30juS2OdIXQ7VAyLCJ9I6D8ceNjdo$>).

Given the literary warrant of the title you cite below, you may optionally also 
propose Judeo-Moroccan dialect. It would have broader terms of Judeo-Arabic 
language |z Morocco; Morocco |x Languages; and Jews |x Languages. Suggested 
references are Ethnologue (which uses a variant form, Judeo-Moroccan Arabic 
dialect) and EJIW (Chetrit has an article on Moroccan Judeo-Arabic dialect, 
another variant) (and perhaps 
Wikipedia<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Moroccan_Arabic__;!!KGKeukY!y6Rj0cgOXl3jLUGCOYfGDgZAKR4a05UGm6QeRA1pWl-i78BsQc9yVG-nYCQ0ee30juS2OdIXQ7VAyLCJ9I6Di81AmGo$>).

Once Judeo-Arabic language is established, the free-floating term |x Dialects 
could then be used in the bib record; it is also geographically subdividable, 
and you could append a form subdivision (i.e., Judeo-Arabic language |x 
Dialects |z Morocco |v Glossaries, vocabularies, etc.) along with an added 
genre term Dictionaries |2 lcdgt. If you do establish Judeo-Moroccan dialect, 
you’d just add the form subdivision to it directly (i.e., Judeo-Moroccan 
dialect |v Glossaries, vocabularies, etc.) along with Dictionaries |2 lcdgt.

Please let me know if you have any questions and feel free to share your draft 
proposal(s) with me (Judaica SACO coordinator) before submitting to LC.

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Nancy Sack via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 10:59 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

Aloha, Believe it or not, the University of Hawaiʻi library seems to be the 
first to acquire the title Imma hbiba : dictionnaire français-judéomarocain 
by Joseph Chetrit. In a paper published by Brill, Chetrit writes about "some 
one hundred
Aloha,

Believe it or not, the University of Hawaiʻi library seems to be the first to 
acquire the title Imma hbiba : dictionnaire français-judéomarocain by Joseph 
Chetrit. In a 
paper<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/brill.com/view/journals/jjl/4/1/article-p1_1.xml__;!!KGKeukY!1_EZemxLjPSHrh7bh4sQ0PbAS6afd2DW80codegsKPRQAkDViHeghB6iIkeQ5lBPv26tZ1SUOs9bJ_Vq8Yk$>
 published by Brill, Chetrit writes about "some one hundred and thirty Moroccan 
Jewish dialects..." Do you think it's appropriate for me to submit an LCSH 
proposal for Judeo-Arabic language--Moroccan dialect?

Thanks.
Nancy
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

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My apologies and thank you to Haim. Judeo-Arabic language is already 
established. This being the case, you could just use that with the subdivisions 
I suggested below to describe your work in hand. Of course, you’re also welcome 
to propose the Judeo-Moroccan dialect as a new subject.

Thanks again, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 4:45 PM
To: Nancy Sack ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

Aloha, Nancy! Thanks for your question. I found some relevant examples in OCLC. 
Please see the records for Judeo-Italian language (lccn sh 85068810) and 
Judeo-Tat language (lccn sh 97007140). Please also see the SHM H1154 on 
languages. The
Aloha, Nancy!

Thanks for your question. I found some relevant examples in OCLC. Please see 
the records for Judeo-Italian language (lccn sh 85068810) and Judeo-Tat 
language (lccn sh 97007140). Please also see the SHM H1154 on languages. The 
languages are geographically subdividable.

Based on the above, I think Judeo-Arabic language would first need to be 
established. The broader terms in the record would include Arabic language; and 
Jews |x Languages. You could also include broader geographic terms, e.g., 
Morocco |x Languages; Iraq |x Languages; other countries supported by literary 
warrant or reference sources (perhaps North Africa |x languages). Some 
suggested reference sources are Ethnologue and EJIW (Encyclopedia of Jews in 
the Islamic World) (and perhaps 
Wikipedia<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Arabic_dialects__;!!KGKeukY!y6Rj0cgOXl3jLUGCOYfGDgZAKR4a05UGm6QeRA1pWl-i78BsQc9yVG-nYCQ0ee30juS2OdIXQ7VAyLCJ9I6D8ceNjdo$>).

Given the literary warrant of the title you cite below, you may optionally also 
propose Judeo-Moroccan dialect. It would have broader terms of Judeo-Arabic 
language |z Morocco; Morocco |x Languages; and Jews |x Languages. Suggested 
references are Ethnologue (which uses a variant form, Judeo-Moroccan Arabic 
dialect) and EJIW (Chetrit has an article on Moroccan Judeo-Arabic dialect, 
another variant) (and perhaps 
Wikipedia<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Moroccan_Arabic__;!!KGKeukY!y6Rj0cgOXl3jLUGCOYfGDgZAKR4a05UGm6QeRA1pWl-i78BsQc9yVG-nYCQ0ee30juS2OdIXQ7VAyLCJ9I6Di81AmGo$>).

Once Judeo-Arabic language is established, the free-floating term |x Dialects 
could then be used in the bib record; it is also geographically subdividable, 
and you could append a form subdivision (i.e., Judeo-Arabic language |x 
Dialects |z Morocco |v Glossaries, vocabularies, etc.) along with an added 
genre term Dictionaries |2 lcdgt. If you do establish Judeo-Moroccan dialect, 
you’d just add the form subdivision to it directly (i.e., Judeo-Moroccan 
dialect |v Glossaries, vocabularies, etc.) along with Dictionaries |2 lcdgt.

Please let me know if you have any questions and feel free to share your draft 
proposal(s) with me (Judaica SACO coordinator) before submitting to LC.

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Nancy Sack via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 10:59 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

Aloha, Believe it or not, the University of Hawaiʻi library seems to be the 
first to acquire the title Imma hbiba : dictionnaire français-judéomarocain 
by Joseph Chetrit. In a paper published by Brill, Chetrit writes about "some 
one hundred
Aloha,

Believe it or not, the University of Hawaiʻi library seems to be the first to 
acquire the title Imma hbiba : dictionnaire français-judéomarocain by Joseph 
Chetrit. In a 
paper<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/brill.com/view/journals/jjl/4/1/article-p1_1.xml__;!!KGKeukY!1_EZemxLjPSHrh7bh4sQ0PbAS6afd2DW80codegsKPRQAkDViHeghB6iIkeQ5lBPv26tZ1SUOs9bJ_Vq8Yk$>
 published by Brill, Chetrit writes about "some one hundred and thirty Moroccan 
Jewish dialects..." Do you think it's appropriate for me to submit an LCSH 
proposal for Judeo-Arabic language--Moroccan dialect?

Thanks.
Nancy
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

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Aloha, Nancy!

Thanks for your question. I found some relevant examples in OCLC. Please see 
the records for Judeo-Italian language (lccn sh 85068810) and Judeo-Tat 
language (lccn sh 97007140). Please also see the SHM H1154 on languages. The 
languages are geographically subdividable.

Based on the above, I think Judeo-Arabic language would first need to be 
established. The broader terms in the record would include Arabic language; and 
Jews |x Languages. You could also include broader geographic terms, e.g., 
Morocco |x Languages; Iraq |x Languages; other countries supported by literary 
warrant or reference sources (perhaps North Africa |x languages). Some 
suggested reference sources are Ethnologue and EJIW (Encyclopedia of Jews in 
the Islamic World) (and perhaps 
Wikipedia).

Given the literary warrant of the title you cite below, you may optionally also 
propose Judeo-Moroccan dialect. It would have broader terms of Judeo-Arabic 
language |z Morocco; Morocco |x Languages; and Jews |x Languages. Suggested 
references are Ethnologue (which uses a variant form, Judeo-Moroccan Arabic 
dialect) and EJIW (Chetrit has an article on Moroccan Judeo-Arabic dialect, 
another variant) (and perhaps 
Wikipedia).

Once Judeo-Arabic language is established, the free-floating term |x Dialects 
could then be used in the bib record; it is also geographically subdividable, 
and you could append a form subdivision (i.e., Judeo-Arabic language |x 
Dialects |z Morocco |v Glossaries, vocabularies, etc.) along with an added 
genre term Dictionaries |2 lcdgt. If you do establish Judeo-Moroccan dialect, 
you’d just add the form subdivision to it directly (i.e., Judeo-Moroccan 
dialect |v Glossaries, vocabularies, etc.) along with Dictionaries |2 lcdgt.

Please let me know if you have any questions and feel free to share your draft 
proposal(s) with me (Judaica SACO coordinator) before submitting to LC.

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Nancy Sack via 
Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 10:59 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Judeo-Moroccan?

Aloha, Believe it or not, the University of Hawaiʻi library seems to be the 
first to acquire the title Imma hbiba : dictionnaire français-judéomarocain 
by Joseph Chetrit. In a paper published by Brill, Chetrit writes about "some 
one hundred
Aloha,

Believe it or not, the University of Hawaiʻi library seems to be the first to 
acquire the title Imma hbiba : dictionnaire français-judéomarocain by Joseph 
Chetrit. In a 
paper
 published by Brill, Chetrit writes about "some one hundred and thirty Moroccan 
Jewish dialects..." Do you think it's appropriate for me to submit an LCSH 
proposal for Judeo-Arabic language--Moroccan dialect?

Thanks.
Nancy

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[Heb-NACO] Reminder: Subject to change: Jewish-Arab relations, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, etc. in LCSH and LCC

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

It’s hard to believe that it has been three months since this was originally 
scheduled and advertised!

We’re sending a friendly reminder that the event takes place next week, 17 May, 
at 10am EDT. With apologies to West Coasters, the session recording and 
handouts with the proposals and the slides will be shared on Heb-NACO after the 
event. If you’d like to join us live, please register 
here<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYuc-mqpjMjGtKdx9BOt0hS4X1YVZOFdy9Y__;!!KGKeukY!y2t8q_tvasRICSKyGpaKrI0R635Ml2Un4246bYfLcYn6_xJ0-C0TAEJw9xJh_8xu1qsYZQfr3vGEBTVpvlYL5NqNKZI$
 >.

Looking forward to seeing many of you soon!

Roger Kohn
Aaron Taub
Jasmin Shinohara

From: Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 12:47 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Cc: Polutta, Melanie ; Cooey, Nancy 
Subject: Subject to change: Jewish-Arab relations, the Israeli-Palestinian 
conflict, etc. in LCSH and LCC

Dear colleagues,

As some of us well know, correctly applying the subject heading Jewish-Arab 
relations has been a challenge. Roger Kohn of the Library of Congress (LC) has 
previously presented at AJL (2019) regarding the use and misuse of this subject 
heading, yet we catalogers still struggle to accurately capture a book’s 
content using the subject headings as they’ve existed thus far.

To this end, the last time I came across a mis-applied Jewish-Arab relations 
subject in a bibliographic record (for the 2021 autobiographical novel 
Maḳlubah), I reached out to Roger. He suggested we approach LC’s Policy, 
Training, and Cooperative Programs (PTCP) Division with the hopes of finally 
getting greater clarity on the correct usage of the subject. We were thrilled 
to discover a Cooperative, Training, and Policy Section (CTPS, a section of 
PTCP) that was not only interested in clarifying this specific subject, but 
open to working together with us to find better, more accurate ways to describe 
the materials we collect and catalog in this subject area. Our thanks go to 
Nancy Cooey and Melanie Polutta of CTPS.

What started as an inquiry regarding the scope note of one subject heading 
blossomed into a project encompassing 15 proposals! These include 4 new subject 
headings, 8 modified subject headings, and 3 classification schedule 
modifications. Our thanks go to Roger for his heavy lifting in preparing the 
actual proposals. Before submitting these proposals to LC’s subject editorial 
board for the formal review process, we’d like to give you the opportunity to 
hear what the proposals are and contribute your feedback.

We have scheduled a Zoom meeting for May 17, 2023, at 10am EDT. This time is 
meant to accommodate both west coast and Israeli participants. We’ve allotted 2 
hours in order to allow time after the presentation for questions. We will be 
recording the session for those unable to join live. Please register 
here<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYuc-mqpjMjGtKdx9BOt0hS4X1YVZOFdy9Y__;!!KGKeukY!y2t8q_tvasRICSKyGpaKrI0R635Ml2Un4246bYfLcYn6_xJ0-C0TAEJw9xJh_8xu1qsYZQfr3vGEBTVpvlYL5NqNKZI$
 >.

Looking forward to sharing our work with you,

Roger Kohn
Aaron Taub
Jasmin Shinohara

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[Heb-NACO] PCC Spring 2023 OpCo recordings, slides

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hello, all!

The 
recordings
 from last week’s PCC Operations Committee meetings have been posted. Slides to 
respective presentations are linked from the agenda that opens when selecting 
the above link.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

Best wishes, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] FW: Non-Latin script session at PCC Operations Committee Meeting, May 4-5, 2023

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

It was recorded, but the recording has not yet been posted. Stay tuned.  
—Jasmin


From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Abend-David,Ilana 
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Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 10:38:40 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] FW: Non-Latin script session at PCC Operations Committee 
Meeting, May 4-5, 2023

Hi Anyone, Does anyone know if this was recorded? I could not attend it but 
very interested to listen to it. Many thanks, Ilana From: Heb-naco 
 On Behalf Of 
Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco



Hi Anyone,



Does anyone know if this was recorded?  I could not attend it but very 
interested to listen to it.



Many thanks,



Ilana



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Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Non-Latin script session at PCC Operations Committee 
Meeting, May 4-5, 2023



[External Email]

Thank you for sending this to the group, Caroline. I’ll be sure to share any 
updated documentation/policy/practice with you, too. Best wishes, Jasmin From: 
Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline

Thank you for sending this to the group, Caroline. I’ll be sure to share any 
updated documentation/policy/practice with you, too.



Best wishes, Jasmin



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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Non-Latin script session at PCC Operations Committee 
Meeting, May 4-5, 2023



All, This Friday, May 5th, at 11am EST, there will be a presentation at the PCC 
Operations Committee meeting that will be of interest to Hebraica catalogers: 
Non-Latin Script Cross-Reference Coding Practice in LC/NACO Records (Matthew 
Haugen,

All,



This Friday, May 5th, at 11am EST, there will be a presentation at the PCC 
Operations Committee meeting  that will be of interest to Hebraica catalogers:  
Non-Latin Script Cross-Reference Coding Practice in LC/NACO Records (Matthew 
Haugen, Columbia University).  Please see below for Zoom link and link to the 
full agenda.



Caroline



Caroline R. Miller

Team Leader, Discovery Team

UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

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Box 957230

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Subject: Reminder: PCC Operations Committee Meeting, May 4-5, 2023



Dear SACO members,



Just a quick reminder that the OpCo meeting will be held on Thursday and Friday 
of this week. The agenda and link to join are below.



Looking forward to seeing many of you there!



Manon



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Manon Théroux
Cataloging Policy Specialist

Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division

Library of Congress





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Subject: [SACOLIST] Agenda for PCC Operations Committee Meeting, May 4-5, 2023



Dear SACO members,



The agenda for the PCC Operations Committee (OpCo) meeting has now been posted 
to the PCC website’s Calendar page: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/calendar.html__;!!KGKeukY!wZnMSIJ0aTR5yAx-w6AYvzdVWpy3vboymzHH49H0V3QpoXaSYVYe1bPkjRfUVnAL1M_QgFF7XqMznuMEv73hleP10lw$
 
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Direct link: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2023/Agenda-OpCo-2023.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!wZnMSIJ0aTR5yAx-w6AYvzdVWpy3vboymzHH49H0V3QpoXaSYVYe1bPkjRfUVnAL1M_QgFF7XqMznuMEv73h4Wt8qQw$
 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2023/Agenda-OpCo-2023.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!26S7WyXfkSf_39V971caI0m8g-w1ThsraQHK6ZuQD55CI4tpeyRPnyXkH_Eyq6bdEq_-2rGxFqSb-2mXiCOtrJDG55W2H91ScNhFgI0$>



As a reminder, the sessions will be held Thursday, May 4, 2023 (full day), and 
Friday, May 5, 2023 (half day). The meeting will be a hybrid event, with both 
in-person attendees and virtual attendees, and will be open to all free of 
charge.



Registration has concluded for in-person attendees. Registration is not 
required for virtual attendees. The meeting will be recorded.



The link to join is:  
https://urldefense.com/v3/__htt

Re: [Heb-NACO] Non-Latin script session at PCC Operations Committee Meeting, May 4-5, 2023

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you for sending this to the group, Caroline. I'll be sure to share any 
updated documentation/policy/practice with you, too.

Best wishes, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 4:37 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting (heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu) 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] Non-Latin script session at PCC Operations Committee 
Meeting, May 4-5, 2023

All, This Friday, May 5th, at 11am EST, there will be a presentation at the PCC 
Operations Committee meeting that will be of interest to Hebraica catalogers: 
Non-Latin Script Cross-Reference Coding Practice in LC/NACO Records (Matthew 
Haugen,
All,

This Friday, May 5th, at 11am EST, there will be a presentation at the PCC 
Operations Committee meeting  that will be of interest to Hebraica catalogers:  
Non-Latin Script Cross-Reference Coding Practice in LC/NACO Records (Matthew 
Haugen, Columbia University).  Please see below for Zoom link and link to the 
full agenda.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
2400 Life Sciences Building
621 Charles E Young Drive South
Box 957230
Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230



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mailto:sacol...@listserv.loc.gov>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2023 10:02 AM
To: sacol...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: Reminder: PCC Operations Committee Meeting, May 4-5, 2023

Dear SACO members,

Just a quick reminder that the OpCo meeting will be held on Thursday and Friday 
of this week. The agenda and link to join are below.

Looking forward to seeing many of you there!

Manon

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Policy, Training, and Cooperative Programs Division
Library of Congress


From: SACO Cataloging Discussion List 
mailto:sacol...@listserv.loc.gov>> On Behalf Of 
Theroux, Manon
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:55 PM
To: sacol...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [SACOLIST] Agenda for PCC Operations Committee Meeting, May 4-5, 2023

Dear SACO members,

The agenda for the PCC Operations Committee (OpCo) meeting has now been posted 
to the PCC website's Calendar page: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/calendar.html__;!!KGKeukY!103YtkGqgMBO9WSZ7MoiMMxlZqqN5DUlVKHxym_wnxtR5KcGKzGQxZChG4DRNTOXvo6eIFCTGZejSmtYgm4gLMlfQic$
 


Direct link: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/OpCo-2023/Agenda-OpCo-2023.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!103YtkGqgMBO9WSZ7MoiMMxlZqqN5DUlVKHxym_wnxtR5KcGKzGQxZChG4DRNTOXvo6eIFCTGZejSmtYgm4guMh2lJk$
 


As a reminder, the sessions will be held Thursday, May 4, 2023 (full day), and 
Friday, May 5, 2023 (half day). The meeting will be a hybrid event, with both 
in-person attendees and virtual attendees, and will be open to all free of 
charge.

Registration has concluded for in-person attendees. Registration is not 
required for virtual attendees. The meeting will be recorded.

The link to join is:  
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://loc.zoomgov.com/j/1619357534?pwd=K3dSTEtHY2NMYXk2cVR3eWpVQmFDUT09__;!!KGKeukY!103YtkGqgMBO9WSZ7MoiMMxlZqqN5DUlVKHxym_wnxtR5KcGKzGQxZChG4DRNTOXvo6eIFCTGZejSmtYgm4gcLuvCwE$
 


If you have any questions, please send them to c...@loc.gov

We hope to see you there!

Manon

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you for this suggestion, Bob. There is the example of metsayerim (at the 
top of p. 17), but adding another example can only help. --Jasmin

From: Robert M. TALBOTT 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2023 10:33 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Cc: Galron, Joseph ; Miller, Caroline 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

It might be nice if this was added as an example to Hebraica Cataloging RDA 
pp.16-17 since it's a perennial question.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:01 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Correction: it is already in the wiki. I’ll add the wrong form haytah (which 
shows the yod as a consonant but is missing the sheva na‘). From: Heb-naco 
 On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
Sent: 
Correction: it is already in the wiki. I’ll add the wrong form haytah (which 
shows the yod as a consonant but is missing the sheva na‘).

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 10:09 PM
To: Galron, Joseph mailto:galro...@osu.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; 
Miller, Caroline mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

Thanks for asking, Caroline! As Yossi wrote, it is hayetah. I'll add it to the 
FAQ. From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco  Sent: 
Wednesday,
Thanks for asking, Caroline! As Yossi wrote, it is hayetah. I'll add it to the 
FAQ.

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn@lists.osu.edu>>
 on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:14 PM
To: Miller, Caroline 
mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

I think it should be Hayetah


Yossi


From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 5:30 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting 
(heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>) 
mailto:heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

All, How would you romanize היתה? I’m seeing it both as “haytah” and “haitah” 
in LC’s catalog. I checked the AJL romanization wiki and it wasn’t listed. 
Thanks. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery Team UCLA Library 
Resource Acquisitions
All,

How would you romanize היתה?  I’m seeing it both as “haytah” and “haitah” in 
LC’s catalog.  I checked the AJL romanization wiki and it wasn’t listed.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
2400 Life Sciences Building
621 Charles E Young Drive South
Box 957230
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Correction: it is already in the wiki. I’ll add the wrong form haytah (which 
shows the yod as a consonant but is missing the sheva na‘).

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 10:09 PM
To: Galron, Joseph ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; Miller, Caroline 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

Thanks for asking, Caroline! As Yossi wrote, it is hayetah. I'll add it to the 
FAQ. From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco  Sent: 
Wednesday,
Thanks for asking, Caroline! As Yossi wrote, it is hayetah. I'll add it to the 
FAQ.

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn@lists.osu.edu>>
 on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:14 PM
To: Miller, Caroline 
mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

I think it should be Hayetah


Yossi


From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 5:30 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting 
(heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>) 
mailto:heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

All, How would you romanize היתה? I’m seeing it both as “haytah” and “haitah” 
in LC’s catalog. I checked the AJL romanization wiki and it wasn’t listed. 
Thanks. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery Team UCLA Library 
Resource Acquisitions
All,

How would you romanize היתה?  I’m seeing it both as “haytah” and “haitah” in 
LC’s catalog.  I checked the AJL romanization wiki and it wasn’t listed.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
2400 Life Sciences Building
621 Charles E Young Drive South
Box 957230
Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230



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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thanks for asking, Caroline! As Yossi wrote, it is hayetah. I'll add it to the 
FAQ.

From: Heb-naco  on 
behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 8:14 PM
To: Miller, Caroline ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

I think it should be Hayetah


Yossi


From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 5:30 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting (heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu) 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

All, How would you romanize היתה? I’m seeing it both as “haytah” and “haitah” 
in LC’s catalog. I checked the AJL romanization wiki and it wasn’t listed. 
Thanks. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery Team UCLA Library 
Resource Acquisitions
All,

How would you romanize היתה?  I’m seeing it both as “haytah” and “haitah” in 
LC’s catalog.  I checked the AJL romanization wiki and it wasn’t listed.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
2400 Life Sciences Building
621 Charles E Young Drive South
Box 957230
Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230



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[Heb-NACO] FW: Invitation for feedback on RBMS terms for prejudicial works

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Of possible interest. --Jasmin

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Hoover, Sarah
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 12:15 PM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Invitation for feedback on RBMS terms for prejudicial works


The Prejudicial Materials Working Group of RBMS's Controlled Vocabularies 
Editorial Group invites your feedback on approximately 50 proposed new and 
revised terms for the RBMS Controlled Vocabulary for Rare Materials Cataloging 
(RBMS CVRMC). The Controlled Vocabularies Editorial 
Group
 (CVEG), a committee of the Rare Books and Manuscripts Section (RBMS) of the 
Association of College and Research Libraries (ACRL), maintains RBMS CVRMC.


RBMS CVRMC is a thesaurus of genre and form terms that are specific to the 
needs of the rare materials community. However, the proposed terms, used for 
indexing works that are prejudicial in nature or related to systems of 
oppression, also have wider applicability beyond rare materials. Genre and form 
terms are used to provide controlled description of what resources are (e.g. 
dictionaries, biographies, diaries, correspondence), rather than what they are 
about.


The working group has reviewed extant terminology in the thesaurus to broaden 
terms from "literature" to "works" and revise selected existing scope notes. We 
have also drafted new terms for types of prejudicial works that were not 
previously represented in the thesaurus as well as terms related to colonialism 
and enslavement. The proposals within the Prejudicial works hierarchy are not 
meant to be exhaustive but to provide a scaffold for the future. CVEG 
encourages the community to propose additional narrower terms to further expand 
this section of the thesaurus.


The proposed terms can be viewed as a hierarchical 
list
 and as a comparison of terms with their original 
forms.
 Terms are generally also viewable on 
id.loc.gov,
 but they may have outdated information that has not yet been updated to 
reflect the working group's most recent decisions. The documents linked above, 
which match what is found in the feedback survey, are the most up-to-date 
version.


We encourage you to submit comments, suggestions, and other feedback during the 
public review of the terms, April 17-May 26, 2023. Please submit your feedback 
using this Google form: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://forms.gle/KByizVqw419tcL3J6__;!!KGKeukY!wQVmcg5qlDM8Z_YD-OYHL6nJjTkvLs6IMWTTPj4iv5WfESKUw78rwQGSFNyhY8i0MmHaAyAw0vHMCYP9g8TQIIri_R0$
 
.
 Note that all fields on the form (including those with identifying 
information) are optional, and the form may be submitted more than once. Each 
term is listed individually with its scope note, variants, and relationships. 
You may submit feedback on as many or as few terms as you would like.


During the review period, members of the Prejudicial Materials Working Group 
will also hold a live public forum via Zoom:

  *   Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 12 pm PST / 1 pm MST / 2 pm CST / 3 pm EST

The session will be 90 minutes and will include a brief presentation on the 
history of the project and an overview of the proposed terms, with plenty of 
time for questions. More details, including connection information, will be 
provided closer to the event.


We hope to get feedback from a wide array of stakeholders, and we encourage you 
to share this announcement with others who may be interested. You can also see 
where we have already distributed the 
announcement.


Best,

Sarah Hoover, on behalf of the Prejudicial Materials Working Group


Sarah Hoover
Special Collections Cataloger
Wilson Special Collections Library
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
sehoo...@email.unc.edu
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[Heb-NACO] FW: PCC Statistics deadline: April 17, 2023

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

To Funnel members who contribute records to the NAF, please be sure your work 
is represented by submitting your statistics! Please let me know if there are 
any questions.

Thanks and שבת שלום, Jasmin

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Theroux, Manon
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 11:57 AM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] PCC Statistics deadline: April 17, 2023

[cross-posted to PCC discussion lists]

Dear PCC members responsible for maintaining your institution’s statistics:

The deadline for entering your mid-year FY2023 statistics in the PCC Directory 
is Monday, April 17, 2023. These statistics represent your NACO, BIBCO, CONSER, 
and/or SACO contributions from October 2022 through March 2023. Because the 
usual deadline of April 15th falls on a Saturday this year, we have extended 
the deadline to the following Monday.

Guidelines for entering statistics can be found on the “Statistics” section of 
this page: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/pccd/index.html__;!!KGKeukY!wUHz026G6e5AZDekAH050cOLnxPwZ-WoU_U2UzWKCVRQ53Gn2nbhml7f95TsFn22ZKwjd7eS2L65dWzyrWNi8DKojV4$
 


After the April 17th deadline, we will use the PCC Directory to generate the 
mid-year FY2023 statistical report and post it to this page: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/stats.html__;!!KGKeukY!wUHz026G6e5AZDekAH050cOLnxPwZ-WoU_U2UzWKCVRQ53Gn2nbhml7f95TsFn22ZKwjd7eS2L65dWzyrWNiqm1kqkM$
 


Please let us know at c...@loc.gov if you have any 
questions or if you cannot access your PCC Directory account and need your 
password reset.

Thank you!

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Penn is hiring!

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Here’s a direct link to the job post:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wd1.myworkdaysite.com/recruiting/upenn/careers-at-penn/job/Van-Pelt-Library/Hebraica-Library-Specialist_JR00069088__;!!KGKeukY!yCIDWxRcgVuv8RSRgvfBjCayD3Er38SMjTG-dJfsq4aJJlymU1h1P59_mx9tJJ77VUVNZdz4Yy6WCFdAGPRQNpbiD2k$
 

From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin 
via Heb-naco 
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 6:34:46 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Penn is hiring!

Do you have a strong grasp of modern Hebrew and solid attention to detail? Come 
work with me! https: //www. higheredjobs. com/details. 
cfm?JobCode=178323836_source=03_17_23_medium=email_campaign=JobAgentEmail
 --- J a s m

Do you have a strong grasp of modern Hebrew and solid attention to detail? Come 
work with me!



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<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.higheredjobs.com/details.cfm?JobCode=178323836_source=03_17_23_medium=email_campaign=JobAgentEmail__;!!KGKeukY!3f4BSJqA63fnGX69oLuDUHMgvVF7FZHxUNZAV8iNNxl6BbOhHMW_L19JLS_GfzX75vc4LYtYnVdYVxxpcYkUj0EYScE$>



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[Heb-NACO] Penn is hiring!

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Do you have a strong grasp of modern Hebrew and solid attention to detail? Come 
work with me!

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.higheredjobs.com/details.cfm?JobCode=178323836_source=03_17_23_medium=email_campaign=JobAgentEmail__;!!KGKeukY!3f4BSJqA63fnGX69oLuDUHMgvVF7FZHxUNZAV8iNNxl6BbOhHMW_L19JLS_GfzX75vc4LYtYnVdYVxxpcYkUj0EYScE$
 

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - another electronic resource for rashe tevot

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Just kidding, it was already there, listed as Dictionary of Hebrew 
Abbreviations<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.kizur.co.il/home.php__;!!KGKeukY!0nCOB6kA0Cj5MtYuvSfg86QmVUSC1GrPi4jsehaTtsfCGM8T8HnkX38l3OKzovb2kzhva5Dt7TJCYBi8LSd-Y6LH-hg$
 > (search box; includes contemporary acronyms)

Will delete the redundancy.

From: Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:40 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; Gottschalk, Haim 

Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - another electronic resource for rashe tevot

Thanks for sharing, Haim. I’ve added it to our wiki general resources 
page<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/144076596/General*20resources__;JQ!!KGKeukY!0nCOB6kA0Cj5MtYuvSfg86QmVUSC1GrPi4jsehaTtsfCGM8T8HnkX38l3OKzovb2kzhva5Dt7TJCYBi8LSd-qFh1Hb8$
 > (under external resources).

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn@lists.osu.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:02 PM
To: Gottschalk, Haim mailto:h...@loc.gov>>; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - another electronic resource for rashe tevot

Thanks. What are they using for Before COVID and After COVID. I guess it would 
have to be Corona: that’s what they call it in Israel  אח"ק? I saved the 
address. Thanks, Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman
Thanks. What are they using for Before COVID and After COVID. I guess it would 
have to be Corona: that’s what they call it in Israel  אח"ק?
I saved the address. Thanks,

Marlene Schiffman
Metadata and Services Department
Gottesman Library
Yeshiva University
500 West 185th Street
New York, N.Y. 10033

Gottesman Library
Room 301
646 592 4276

From: Heb-naco 
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Behalf Of Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 5:13 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [EXT] - [Heb-NACO] another electronic resource for rashe tevot

**External Email**
Dear Colleagues, I just came across this site for reshe tevot – some of you 
might find it useful for cataloging: קיצורים וראשי תיבות בעברית http: //www. 
kizur. co. il/home. php Kol tuv, Haim _ Haim A. Gottschalk 
Hebraica and Judaica
Dear Colleagues,

I just came across this site for reshe tevot – some of you might find it useful 
for cataloging:
קיצורים וראשי תיבות בעברית

https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.kizur.co.il/home.php__;!!KGKeukY!0nCOB6kA0Cj5MtYuvSfg86QmVUSC1GrPi4jsehaTtsfCGM8T8HnkX38l3OKzovb2kzhva5Dt7TJCYBi8LSd-Y6LH-hg$
 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__http*3A*2F*2Fwww.kizur.co.il*2Fhome.php__*3B!!KGKeukY!wwa_tHaQi-PSDaqFtkbYKqgSZ8g0m2T29qC5iFw55hq_GJQczBhVzF4gpb6ZQNx7qBdXft95X3-MO86Y9w*24=05*7C01*7Cschiffma*40yu.edu*7Ced29d7c44b9f434acdf808db259d4445*7C04c70eb48f2648079934e02e89266ad0*7C1*7C0*7C638145129637666149*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C=zuPufED9pA6*2BxecDf202IZg70a3Ud6Q2GGG0gNhLcxU*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!3uLhtRTpZgSUA6owA3pw_gQXU7ta091-BljaP9IlfZoCgdL7hIDcBrsxenSHiGUmpIt-GMNobC0-SJq0jwunGA$>

Kol tuv,
Haim

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - another electronic resource for rashe tevot

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Thanks for sharing, Haim. I’ve added it to our wiki general resources 
page (under external resources).

Kol tuv, Jasmin

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Thanks. What are they using for Before COVID and After COVID. I guess it would 
have to be Corona: that’s what they call it in Israel  אח"ק? I saved the 
address. Thanks, Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman
Thanks. What are they using for Before COVID and After COVID. I guess it would 
have to be Corona: that’s what they call it in Israel  אח"ק?
I saved the address. Thanks,

Marlene Schiffman
Metadata and Services Department
Gottesman Library
Yeshiva University
500 West 185th Street
New York, N.Y. 10033

Gottesman Library
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**External Email**
Dear Colleagues, I just came across this site for reshe tevot – some of you 
might find it useful for cataloging: קיצורים וראשי תיבות בעברית http: //www. 
kizur. co. il/home. php Kol tuv, Haim _ Haim A. Gottschalk 
Hebraica and Judaica
Dear Colleagues,

I just came across this site for reshe tevot – some of you might find it useful 
for cataloging:
קיצורים וראשי תיבות בעברית

https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.kizur.co.il/home.php__;!!KGKeukY!xDciEeuEtkqsa1q336nT6ytEr3-fx_cZMCJSV5d4PMOknrX56xX69vhu35bqhRVcHysCX05ry79vVd8zNPMB0E4s36g$
 


Kol tuv,
Haim

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Re: [Heb-NACO] FW: Official Launch of RBMS Controlled Vocabulary for Rare Materials Cataloging

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Thanks, Caroline, I've added a link to the thesaurus from the wiki main 
documentation 
page (under general guidance --> description). Please let me know if any changes 
should be made

Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] FW: Official Launch of RBMS Controlled Vocabulary for Rare 
Materials Cataloging

This will be very helpful for those of us who work with rare materials. Please 
excuse duplication. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery Team 
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services 2400 Life Sciences 
Building
This will be very helpful for those of us who work with rare materials.

Please excuse duplication.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
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Subject: Official Launch of RBMS Controlled Vocabulary for Rare Materials 
Cataloging


*Please excuse cross-posting.*


On behalf of the RBMS Controlled Vocabularies Editorial Group, we are pleased 
to announce the official launch of the Controlled Vocabulary for Rare Materials 
Cataloging (RBMS CVRMC). RBMS CVRMC is a linked data thesaurus that combines 
the former RBMS Thesauri (Genre, Binding, Type, Printing and Publishing, Paper, 
and Provenance) into a single resource with a redesigned structure. It is 
hosted by the Library of Congress Linked Data Service at 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/rbmscv.html__;!!KGKeukY!2NrFZWgJofuDTOKaNsr2QmBSEFD96o1VG5u3GTTHNNTp8XJlD7AqrV-GtVXPvKlpr6UK4aHerpTNavblhVbJ2qgyCl4$
 
.
 The RBMS Relationship Designators have also been migrated to LC LDS and can be 
found at 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/rbmsrel.html__;!!KGKeukY!2NrFZWgJofuDTOKaNsr2QmBSEFD96o1VG5u3GTTHNNTp8XJlD7AqrV-GtVXPvKlpr6UK4aHerpTNavblhVbJwR1pXoc$
 
.
 When using terms from RBMS CVRMC in a MARC record, the new code is $2 rbmscv. 
The six former thesauri are now officially deprecated.


We are in the process of creating a crosswalk spreadsheet for use in 
bibliographic file maintenance, and we will make an announcement once it is 
available. We are also designing a new form for submitting proposed terms or 
edits to existing terms. Once that is ready, we will open the thesaurus for new 
term submissions.



We want to thank everyone whose hard work made the new thesaurus a reality, 
including members of CVEG and everyone who provided feedback during the public 
review last year. We are particularly grateful to our fellow members of the 
Thesaurus Integration Subgroup, Amy Brown, Ryan Hildebrand, Jennifer Bradshaw, 
and Brian Stearns, who gave generously of their time, expertise, and good 
humor. We are also grateful for the support of Nate Trail and LC's Linked Data 
Service and their hosting and support of the RBMS CVRMC going forward.


We also wanted to share responses to some of the larger themes that arose from 
the public feedback, and those responses follow.


Best,

Brenna Bychowski and Lauren Reno

Co-chairs, RBMS Controlled Vocabularies Editorial Group


  1.  New terms. Many people noted the absence of terms of interest that are 
not currently available in the thesaurus. We encourage the submission of new 
term proposals once our revised form is available.
  2.  Binding terms. There were several responses specifically related to 
available binding terms and its hierarchy. We are open to the submission of 
additional binding terms, and we also want to emphasize that the available 
terms are specifically for use in indexing. They are not intended to limit or 
curtail binding descriptions made elsewhere in a catalog record.
  3.  Subdivisions. We approved the policy to not allow subdivisions for the 
new thesaurus back in 2019, and we continue to support that decision. We 
understand that several institutions make heavy use of the terms that were 
specifically intended for subdivision, especially Typefaces. CVEG never 
maintained authorized subdivisions for any of those 

[Heb-NACO] Subject to change: Jewish-Arab relations, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, etc. in LCSH and LCC

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Dear colleagues,

As some of us well know, correctly applying the subject heading Jewish-Arab 
relations has been a challenge. Roger Kohn of the Library of Congress (LC) has 
previously presented at AJL (2019) regarding the use and misuse of this subject 
heading, yet we catalogers still struggle to accurately capture a book’s 
content using the subject headings as they’ve existed thus far.

To this end, the last time I came across a mis-applied Jewish-Arab relations 
subject in a bibliographic record (for the 2021 autobiographical novel 
Maḳlubah), I reached out to Roger. He suggested we approach LC’s Policy, 
Training, and Cooperative Programs (PTCP) Division with the hopes of finally 
getting greater clarity on the correct usage of the subject. We were thrilled 
to discover a Cooperative, Training, and Policy Section (CTPS, a section of 
PTCP) that was not only interested in clarifying this specific subject, but 
open to working together with us to find better, more accurate ways to describe 
the materials we collect and catalog in this subject area. Our thanks go to 
Nancy Cooey and Melanie Polutta of CTPS.

What started as an inquiry regarding the scope note of one subject heading 
blossomed into a project encompassing 15 proposals! These include 4 new subject 
headings, 8 modified subject headings, and 3 classification schedule 
modifications. Our thanks go to Roger for his heavy lifting in preparing the 
actual proposals. Before submitting these proposals to LC’s subject editorial 
board for the formal review process, we’d like to give you the opportunity to 
hear what the proposals are and contribute your feedback.

We have scheduled a Zoom meeting for May 17, 2023, at 10am EDT. This time is 
meant to accommodate both west coast and Israeli participants. We’ve allotted 2 
hours in order to allow time after the presentation for questions. We will be 
recording the session for those unable to join live. Please register 
here.

Looking forward to sharing our work with you,

Roger Kohn
Aaron Taub
Jasmin Shinohara

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[Heb-NACO] book not fiction

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Hi, to the 7 libraries with holdings on on1243757362, Mitbonen be-ʻenayim 
ʻatsumot / ǂc Mikhaʼel Paz, the work is an autobiography, not a work of 
fiction. You may wish to update your local records with on1281795757 (into 
which on1243757362 was merged).

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] A question on Sacred works

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We never did (yet) get around to compiling an official list of what’s included 
in the term “sacred works”, did we? To the best of my recollection, it includes 
only Scripture, i.e., for Judaism, the Oral and Written Law. It does not 
include liturgy or other religious works. Last summer Ahava did send a list 
used at NLI, but NLI is not bound to following LC/PCC policies or US library 
standards and, as such, that list includes liturgical works.

The SHM at H1188, Sacred Works, has the following instructions:
“TYPES OF HEADINGS COVERED BY THE PATTERN : Headings for the uniform titles of 
individual sacred works or scriptures from all religions, including their 
individual parts. Also included are uniform titles for apocryphal works. 
Examples:   Book of Mormon ; Qur'an ; Talmud ; Tripitaka ; Vedas ; Bible. 
Wisdom   of Solomon ; Bible. Gospels ; Sermon on the mount ; Beatitudes ; 
Epistle of Barnabas . The category does not include headings for individual 
non-sacred liturgical or theological works, nor form headings for collections 
of sacred or religious works. For subdivisions used under the uniform titles of 
secular classics, see H 
1155.8.
(highlights added)

This is contrasted with Religious Works, which are addressed in SHM H1185, 
Religions. E.g., Siddur/Maḥzor/Haggadah all get the subject heading: Judaism 
|x Liturgy |v Texts (with added subjects to specify the liturgical work 
described).

RDA 6.30.1.1, Authorized Access Point Representing a Religious Work, 
differentiates between 3 types of works: sacred scriptures; theological 
creeds/confessions of faith, etc.; and liturgical works. It then adds, “For 
other types of religious works, construct the authorized access point by 
applying the general guidelines and instructions at 
6.27.1”, Authorized Access Point Representing a Work.

RDA 6.30.1.2 specifies that sacred scriptures include “…a work that is accepted 
as sacred scripture by a religious group.” Examples there include the Book of 
Mormon, Qur’an, and Ādi-Granth [Sikh sacred scripture].

To your question, Kabbalah texts do not fall under sacred scripture. This is 
based on the above instructions (and is not a personal opinion that requires 
deliberation by the Cataloging Committee; of course, clarifications by the 
committee are always welcome ☺). Please follow the instructions at 6.27.1 and 
do not apply subject subdivisions that are specific to sacred scriptures (i.e., 
Introductions; Criticism, interpretation, etc.; etc.).

I see that 9 LC records use Cabala—Introductions, but these are invalid per 
LCSH. I’ll send a separate email for BFM. The correct subjects are just Cabala 
and/or Cabala |x History. See examples at LCCN 2021039069 and 2004300639. The 
two works cited in the 670s for the Cabala subject heading are at LCCN 75012820 
(Kabbalah and criticism, with Cabala |x History) and at OCLC # 16426918 (An 
introduction to the study of the kabbalah, with just Cabala).

Hope this helps. Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via 
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] A question on Sacred works

Hi Haim, The definition for religious iwork" in the updated RDA Toolkit is a 
much looser definition than in the first iteration: " Religious work A work 
that is held sacred by a religion and its followers, or a work that has a direct
Hi Haim,
The definition for religious iwork" in the updated RDA Toolkit is a much looser 
definition than in the first iteration:

"
Religious work

A work that is held sacred by a religion and its followers, or a work that has 
a direct association with a sacred work.

See also:  liturgical work"



Original Toolkit



See A.17.8

Old Testament


Five Scrolls

Historical Books

Minor Prophets

etc.

My sense is that ultimately it will depend onwhich version of RDA you are 
currently utilizing. I would speculate that after the complete adoption of the 
new edition that the decision of what is included will depend on individual 
religious communities to develop best practices If we go by EJ they consider 
Kaballah as  emodying "mysticism and esoterica. "As such, I would not consider 
it a "sacred work" even under the new version of the Toolkit. But that is just 
my opinion, this should ultimate be discussed and decided up on by the AJL RAS 
Cataloging Commitee.

Thanks, Heidi














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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica 

[Heb-NACO] Kahana, Barukh =/= Kahane, Baruch

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hello, all.

For the 20 other libraries with holdings on lccn 2020454171/on 1225897291 (Orot 
ha-adam ṿeha-nefesh), please note that the author,
Barukh Kahana, is established as Kahana, Barukh, not as was previously given, 
Kahane, Baruch. You may wish to update your local records.

Thanks and best wishes, Jasmin


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[Heb-NACO] title BFM: לפני המבול

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Hi, for those with holdings on the above title, oclc # 1225897261, please note 
that the first word is romanized Li-fene (not lifne).

Kol tuv, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Gan Eden trees per LSCH

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Thanks, Haim.

If you need an LC title to justify your inquiry, see lccn 00439237, ʻEts 
ha-daʻat : ṭov o raʻ?, clearly about the Tree of knowledge but given the 
subject heading Tree of life.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

From: Gottschalk, Haim 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 11:54 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: Gan Eden trees per LSCH

The database only dates back to 1999. I’ll check later to see what is the story 
and see how this subject heading with the 450 came to be.

Haim

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Gan Eden trees per LSCH

There were two trees in Eden, the Tree of Knowledge (of Good and Evil) and the 
Tree of Life. Anybody know why LCSH conflates the two? 150 Tree of life 450 
Knowledge, Tree of 450 Life, Tree of 450 Tree of knowledge 550 ǂw g ǂa 
Christian art
There were two trees in Eden, the Tree of Knowledge (of Good and Evil) and the 
Tree of Life. Anybody know why LCSH conflates the two?

150  Tree of life
450  Knowledge, Tree of
450  Life, Tree of
450  Tree of knowledge
550  ǂw g ǂa Christian art and symbolism
550  ǂw g ǂa Eden
550  ǂw g ǂa Immortality
550  ǂw g ǂa Paradise

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] help with vocalizing, meaning of Aramaic word

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Agree with Barry.

Looking at E-Sh under the root רכס, the third option gives the Aramaic 
אִירְכַּס, irkas, and shows it in the nif‘al form as נִירְכְּסָא, nirkesa. So I 
think the form you’re looking for, Heidi, is ketubah de-irkesa (created to 
replace a lost ketubah).

--Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish 
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] help with vocalizing, meaning of Aramaic word

I would say ketubah de-irkesa, which seems to mean a ketubah that was lost. See 
Tur, Even ha-ezer, 66. Barry On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11: 37 PM Heidi G Lerner 
via Heb-naco  wrote: Hi, I am cataloging a document 
related
I would say ketubah de-irkesa, which seems to mean a ketubah that was lost. See 
Tur, Even ha-ezer, 66.
Barry

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:37 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Hi, I am cataloging a document related to ketubot and within is a word 
(Aramaic?) "דאירכסא". I have tried to locate a vocalized form of the word via 
Sefaria, checked Jastrow for meaning/vocalization and I cannot find anything to 
clarify. 
Hi,

I am cataloging a document related to ketubot and within is a word (Aramaic?)

"דאירכסא".

I have tried to locate a vocalized form of the word via Sefaria, checked 
Jastrow for meaning/vocalization
and I cannot find anything to clarify.

Any help on transcription and meaning, as well as the root of the word will be 
greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Heidi Lerner



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
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[Heb-NACO] Gan Eden trees per LSCH

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

There were two trees in Eden, the Tree of Knowledge (of Good and Evil) and the 
Tree of Life. Anybody know why LCSH conflates the two?

150  Tree of life
450  Knowledge, Tree of
450  Life, Tree of
450  Tree of knowledge
550  ǂw g ǂa Christian art and symbolism
550  ǂw g ǂa Eden
550  ǂw g ǂa Immortality
550  ǂw g ǂa Paradise

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] help with vocalizing, meaning of Aramaic word

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Miriam, I don’t think that איכרא is the same as איכרסא. Like Heidi, I don’t see 
it in Jastrow. I do have in (Barukh) Karu an entry for irkhas, meaning lost.

From: Heb-naco  On 
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] help with vocalizing, meaning of Aramaic word

Ketuba de- ikarsa a replacement ketuba for one that was lost or stolen page 48 
Jastrow איכרא On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4: 37 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
 wrote: Hi, I am cataloging a document related to 
ketubot
Ketuba de- ikarsa
a replacement ketuba for one that was lost or stolen

page 48 Jastrow

איכרא

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:37 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Hi, I am cataloging a document related to ketubot and within is a word 
(Aramaic?) "דאירכסא". I have tried to locate a vocalized form of the word via 
Sefaria, checked Jastrow for meaning/vocalization and I cannot find anything to 
clarify. 
Hi,

I am cataloging a document related to ketubot and within is a word (Aramaic?)

"דאירכסא".

I have tried to locate a vocalized form of the word via Sefaria, checked 
Jastrow for meaning/vocalization
and I cannot find anything to clarify.

Any help on transcription and meaning, as well as the root of the word will be 
greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Heidi Lerner



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Re: [Heb-NACO] Online Ladino reference resources?

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you, Lili, for posing your question, and to Gabe Mordoch, for sharing 
your wonderful 
libguide on Ladino.

With Gabe’s permission, the libguide has been added to our 
wiki (under General resources --> External resources).

Best wishes for a חנוכה שמח and happy, healthy holidays to all, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via 
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To: Lili Brown ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Online Ladino reference resources?

Hi Lili, That is a good question with a less than satisfactory answer. 
Unfortunately Ladino does not have a standard orthography and lacks a single 
authoritative or normative dictionary to be employed for the romanization of 
Ladino. For words
Hi Lili,

That is a good question with a less than satisfactory answer. Unfortunately 
Ladino does not have a standard orthography and lacks a single authoritative or 
normative dictionary to be employed for the romanization of Ladino.

For words of Hebrew/Aramaic derivation, as per the ALA/LC table we generally 
romanize them according to the ALA/LC table for Hebrew.

I don't remember if I ever came across a word that was taken from Turkish or 
Arabic. Certainly for those I would consult with Asuman and Magda.

I strongly encourage you to read the article by Zachary Baker "Some Problems of 
Ladino/Judezmo Romanization) that appeared in Judaica Librarianship v. 9, 
v.1/2, p. 48

The best recommendation is for words emanating from the Spanish, use a good 
standard Spanish dictdionary. In the above-mentioned article Zachary offers 
some for other resoureces on help with romanization (Baker, p. 53-54). SUL 
should have these and I would encourage you to check them out or order if 
available.

My best wishes for a lovely time off and Happy Hanukah!!!
Sincerely, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries




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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Online Ladino reference resources?

Hi all, I’m new to the world of Hebraica cataloging (started at Stanford in 
September!) and am curious if folks have any recommendations for online 
reference resources that they use when romanizing Ladino. I’m working on 
ordering

Hi all,



I’m new to the world of Hebraica cataloging (started at Stanford in September!) 
and am curious if folks have any recommendations for online reference resources 
that they use when romanizing Ladino. I’m working on ordering the physical 
dictionaries that the ALA/LC romanization chart lists, but I’m hoping that 
there is an online tool I can access in the meantime.



Thanks in advance for your time and suggestions!



Best,

Lili



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Re: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field

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Hi, Cliff,

Your thought about probability is interesting. Nevertheless, our documented 
practice has been to use the earlier of the two possible dates for both the 
call no. date and fixed field date. Please see the Classification and 
Shelflisting Manual, G140 
(Dates), where a list of examples is given:

2012
use 2012
MMX
use 2010
[2011]
use 2011
[2008?]
use 2008
[1995 or 1996]
use 1995
1980-2013
use 1980
MMI-MMII
use 2001
MCMXCI-2010
use 1991
1980-[2013]
use 1980
[1965]-2005
use 1965
[1965-2005]
use 1965
[not before March 1, 1800]
use 1800
[not after April 23, 1700]
use 1700
[between May 1,1801 and May 2, 1805]
use 1801
[between 1700 and 1799]
use 1700z [if corporate body, use 1700]
[between 1700 and 1799?]
use 1700z [if corporate body, use 1700]
[between 1990 and 1999]
use 1990z [if corporate body, use 1990]
[between 1990 and 1999?]
use 1990z [if corporate body, use 1990]
[between 1950 and 2012?]
use 1950z [if corporate body, use 1950]

For fixed field dates, per my email from yesterday, please see example in BFAS 
on 
DtSt.

Probability notwithstanding, a unified, consistent practice serves our users 
better. Please let me know if there are further questions.

Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin

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Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 10:20 AM
To: Gottschalk, Haim ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; Miller, Caroline 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field

Dear Colleagues, I'm working remotely so I cannot check any references at my 
Seminary Library desk. As I recall the single date "s" is to be used when the 
date is certain or probable. 5783 might be any of 9 months of 2023
Dear Colleagues,
I'm working remotely so I cannot check any references at my Seminary Library 
desk.
As I recall the single date "s" is to be used when the date is certain or 
probable.
5783 might be any of 9 months of 2023 or any of 3 months of 2022.
When the odds are 3 to 1 of the later date, I think we are justified in using 
the later date and not both years as questionable.
Is not 9 months out of 12 a high probability?
Thank you.
Clifford Miller, speaking for myself and not for
Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary

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Hi Caroline, Haim here. What I do is use the first date as THE date with the 
DtSt: s. Granted we don't know fully if the date is 2012 or 2013, but this is 
the practice we do. The questionable date is when there is no date whatsoever in
Hi Caroline,

Haim here.

What I do is use the first date as THE date with the DtSt: s. Granted we don't 
know fully if the date is 2012 or 2013, but this is the practice we do. The 
questionable date is when there is no date whatsoever in the book and we have 
to surmise when it was published. I do use a detailed date (DtSt: e) when I 
have the month available, such as erev Rosh Hodesh Nisan, plus year.

I hope that this helps

Haim
Expressing my views. Ideas & opinions in this email are not intended to 
represent those of the Library of Congress or its staff.

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field

All, This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official 
policy on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date. 
It's clear in RDA and the PS's how to transcribe the date in the 264. Example
All,

This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official policy 
on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date.  It's 
clear in RDA and the PS's how to transcribe the date in the 264.   Example from 
the book I'm cataloging:

673 [1912 or 1913]

I have seen this coded in the fixed field as:

DtSt: s  Dates 1912 ,

DtSt: q  Dates 1912 ,   1913

Is there an official policy on MARC coding for these fixed fields?  I've done a 
little hunting on Heb-NACO and 

Re: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Hi, Caroline, thank you for asking!

There may be other sources of documentation, but the first one I could find is 
found in Bib Formats and Standards (BFAS), under DtSt, Type of Date/Publication 
Status. There, included as the last of the examples for the code s, is the example
DtSt

s
Dates


1983,[blank character][blank character][blank character][blank character]
264
_
1
Yerushalayim : ǂb E. Fisher, ǂc 744 [1983 or 1984]
[Non-Gregorian dates with no single Gregorian equivalent]

Thus, records with DtSt code q and the two years in Date 1 and Date 2 are 
incorrectly coded.

I’ll let you know if I find other documentation for this practice. In the 
meantime, hope this helps.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field

All, This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official 
policy on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date. 
It’s clear in RDA and the PS’s how to transcribe the date in the 264. Example
All,

This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official policy 
on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date.  It’s 
clear in RDA and the PS’s how to transcribe the date in the 264.   Example from 
the book I’m cataloging:

673 [1912 or 1913]

I have seen this coded in the fixed field as:

DtSt: s  Dates 1912 ,

DtSt: q  Dates 1912 ,   1913

Is there an official policy on MARC coding for these fixed fields?  I’ve done a 
little hunting on Heb-NACO and couldn’t find any official guidance.

Thanks.

Caroline

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[Heb-NACO] title proper romanization correction fyi

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Hi, for the 18 libraries with holdings on the Dov Schwartz title מרוממות לחרדה 
(on1199311102), please note that the title proper is correctly romanized 
Me-romemut la-ḥaradah and not Mi-romemut le-ḥaradah.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] ALA/LC romanization(?) for Aramic as used in Babylonian Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Excellent question, Heidi! I know of no codified Aramaic romanization table. I, 
too, have applied the Hebrew standards for Aramaic terms as needed. The 
question is whether or not there is sufficient justification to consider 
Aramaic its own discrete language requiring its own standard. I'm not sure 
there is, but perhaps others think otherwise?

As to the list of resources you list below, I'd shy away from Sefaria as a 
romanization reference source simply because, as an open-source resource, I 
don't know how reliable/stable the vocalizations found there might be.

Thanks for bringing this up, Jasmin

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] ALA/LC romanization(?) for Aramic as used in Babylonian 
Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts

Dear safranim, Is it possible that in our years of developing romanization 
schemata for several Jewish languages written in Hebrew script we have not 
codified any guidelines for Aramaic used in talmudic and 
midrashic/aggadic/cabalistic texts?
Dear safranim,

Is it possible that in our years of developing romanization schemata for 
several Jewish languages written in Hebrew script we have not codified any 
guidelines for Aramaic used in talmudic and midrashic/aggadic/cabalistic  texts?

Up until now my practice has been to follow the ALA/LC table for Hebrew. If I 
don't find a particular Aramaic word in  Even-Shoshan or Alkalay, i turn to 
Jastrow,  Sefaria, Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon (covers all dialects).

What have the rest of you been doing? Should a preferred  method be codified?

I look forward to learning your practices have been.

Best, Heidi




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Re: [Heb-NACO] צדפים

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Agreed.

From: Robert M. TALBOTT 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11:52 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] צדפים

True, but a two word title with one word misromanized is a different story.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 8:40 AM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
And if I emailed the list every time I corrected misromanizations, your inboxes 
would be flooded… J From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Rachel Simon via Heb-naco ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
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And if I emailed the list every time I corrected misromanizations, your inboxes 
would be flooded… ☺

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And the romanization of דניאל should be Daniyel (not Dani’el). Rachel From: 
Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via 
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And the romanization of  דניאל  should be Daniyel (not Dani’el).
Rachel
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Colleagues,
In OCLC # 1309344146 (אוסף צדפים) by Daniel Oz the correct romanization should 
be Osef tsedafim and not Osef tsadafim (see ES – plural of Tsedaf is Tsedafim)

Have a good weekend

Yossi


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Re: [Heb-NACO] צדפים

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And if I emailed the list every time I corrected misromanizations, your inboxes 
would be flooded… ☺

From: Heb-naco  On 
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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11:27 AM
To: Galron, Joseph ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] צדפים

And the romanization of דניאל should be Daniyel (not Dani’el). Rachel From: 
Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via 
Heb-naco Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11: 05 AM ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
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And the romanization of  דניאל  should be Daniyel (not Dani’el).
Rachel
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] צדפים

Colleagues,
In OCLC # 1309344146 (אוסף צדפים) by Daniel Oz the correct romanization should 
be Osef tsedafim and not Osef tsadafim (see ES – plural of Tsedaf is Tsedafim)

Have a good weekend

Yossi


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[Heb-NACO] FW: PCC Statistics deadline: October 15, 2022

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Dear funnel members, please let me know if you have any question regarding 
submitting your statistics for this past (LC fiscal) year.

Thanks, Jasmin

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To: bi...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [BIBCO] PCC Statistics deadline: October 15, 2022

Dear BIBCO members responsible for maintaining your institution's statistics:

This message is a reminder that October 15, 2022 is the deadline for entering 
your statistics in the PCC Directory for the second half of FY2022. These 
statistics represent your NACO, BIBCO, CONSER, and/or SACO contributions from 
April 2022 through September 2022. Also, if anyone has not yet entered their 
statistics for the first half of the fiscal year (October 2021 through March 
2022), it isn't too late to do so.

Guidelines for entering statistics can be found on the "Statistics" section of 
this page: 
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After the October 15th deadline, we will use the PCC Directory to generate the 
FY2022 statistical report and post it to this page: 
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question (מתווה)

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

The word has been added to the romanization 
FAQ. Thanks, Rachel, for bringing it to our attention! I’ll report the needed 
BFM to LC.

Thanks, Jasmin

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Behalf Of Joan Biella via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:47 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; Rachel Simon 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question (מתווה)

Chiming in late, I agree that we should follow Even-Shoshan, but adding this to 
the Miss Romanization page is a good idea. —Joan On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 11:32 
AM Rachel Simon via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote: I asked mainly
Chiming in late, I agree that we should follow Even-Shoshan, but adding this to 
the Miss Romanization page is a good idea.  —Joan

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 11:32 AM Rachel Simon via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
I asked mainly because LC had both forms. So, maybe enter it the romanization 
wiki From: Heb-naco 
mailto:princeton@lists.osu.edu>>
 On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco Sent: ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
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I asked mainly because LC had both forms. So, maybe enter it the romanization 
wiki

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 On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 1:58 PM
To: Galron, Joseph mailto:galro...@osu.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question (מתווה)

Rav-milim (and Morfix) have mitveh. There are other examples of -eh words 
(mikreh, mikveh, mikhreh), so that's neither here nor there. My old ES also has 
mitvah. As already mentioned, mitveh seems to be more common in spoken Hebrew, 
but
Rav-milim (and Morfix) have mitveh. There are other examples of -eh words 
(mikreh, mikveh, mikhreh),
so that's neither here nor there.
My old ES also has mitvah.
As already mentioned, mitveh seems to be more common in spoken Hebrew,  but we 
need to follow our designated authorities.
Barry

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:55 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
As Roger wrote, I also know about Mitveh, but it might be wrong, and should be 
Mitvah, the same has Mehvah מחווה

Milon Ariel ha-makif, has it as Mitvah

Yossi



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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:58 AM
To: 'Rachel Simon' mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>; 'Hebrew 
Name Authority Funnel' mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] To Rachel S. (PUL) re.: Romanization question (מתווה)

--- Hi Rachel, Yes, ES2000 has “mitvah”, but all what I hear on Israeli radio 
is “mitveh” … All the best, .-r. From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
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---

Hi Rachel,

Yes, ES2000 has “mitvah”, but all what I hear on Israeli radio is “mitveh” …

All the best,

.-r.

From: Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Rachel Simon via Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 9:26 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

For מתווה : is it “mitvah” or “mitveh” ?? My ES has “mitvah”, but LC has both. 
Thanks, Rachel ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
For  מתווה  : is it “mitvah” or “mitveh” ?? My ES has “mitvah”, but LC has both.

Thanks,

Rachel
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Arab name

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In a case like this, I’d be tempted to reach out to the author to ask his 
preferred form. That would trump all other considerations.

From: Rachel Simon 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:27 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Miller, Caroline 
; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; ler...@stanford.edu
Subject: RE: Arab name

He wrote the book in Hebrew, and it is his first publication. So, which rules 
should apply?

Rachel

From: Shinohara, Jasmin mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:06 PM
To: Miller, Caroline 
mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; 
Rachel Simon mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>; 
ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>
Subject: RE: Arab name

Hi, all!

Caroline, that is a good supposition, and I used to think the same, until Heidi 
informed me that Arabic names play by their own rules, not our Hebraica name 
rules.

Rachel, I’m afraid I don’t have a specific citation for you, but I’d refer you 
to the Arabic NACO Manual, 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/cp20/aranatoc.html__;!!KGKeukY!yUCD81N-c9yzw0ITrfqgzOMrn1ziWBHsLDRNYDZA2IYyQSq-_NUkN7Bqv-86KKK4EZ3tGBxx0XPAKGN8oHkfmkqJGEM$
 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/cp20/aranatoc.html__;!!IBzWLUs!Tx8j3jSN-f3ZJrEILIaGxegz0KTft38_gqDGTrMH5zEdeeNrrQe5kfSXtdGI5l6ldEjsLVYdrl4yrTolBUPDbG4l$>
 .

Heidi, do you have any added pointers?

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco 
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Behalf Of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 11:54 AM
To: Rachel Simon mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>; Hebrew 
Name Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Arab name

I’ll take a stab at this. Per LC-PCC PS for 9.2.2.5.3, alternative, point 1 you 
need to use the Romanized form of name that appears on the piece, with all the 
appropriate 400’s. Caroline ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
I’ll take a stab at this.  Per LC-PCC PS for 9.2.2.5.3, alternative, point 1 
you need to use the Romanized form of name that appears on the piece, with all 
the appropriate 400’s.

Caroline

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Team Leader, Discovery Team
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My pronouns are she/her/hers

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 On Behalf Of Rachel Simon via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 7:20 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Arab name

What should be the authorized form of the name of an Arab writing in Hebrew, 
when the cover also has the name in Arabic? This related to the book by עלי 
ח'ליפה . Should the Hebrew form be Romanized as Ḥ'alifah, ʻAli ? ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
What should be the authorized form of the name of an Arab writing in Hebrew, 
when the cover also has the name in Arabic? This related to the book by  עלי 
ח'ליפה . Should the Hebrew form be Romanized as Ḥ'alifah, ʻAli  ?
The Arabic would be Khalīfah, ʻAlī Ṣāliḥ
There is also a Romanized form of the name: Ali Khalefa.

Thanks,

Rachel


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Arab name

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Hi, all!

Caroline, that is a good supposition, and I used to think the same, until Heidi 
informed me that Arabic names play by their own rules, not our Hebraica name 
rules.

Rachel, I’m afraid I don’t have a specific citation for you, but I’d refer you 
to the Arabic NACO Manual, 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/cp20/aranatoc.html__;!!KGKeukY!xzttVULsUX85MH4XhhBgvvuCO85yRZA7XtifNIdqlRb7IB31qbQr6h71o7S9zRCx_WZ2O6vvghpZhvy_yWLUSJpvyec$
  .

Heidi, do you have any added pointers?

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 11:54 AM
To: Rachel Simon ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Arab name

I’ll take a stab at this. Per LC-PCC PS for 9.2.2.5.3, alternative, point 1 you 
need to use the Romanized form of name that appears on the piece, with all the 
appropriate 400’s. Caroline ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
I’ll take a stab at this.  Per LC-PCC PS for 9.2.2.5.3, alternative, point 1 
you need to use the Romanized form of name that appears on the piece, with all 
the appropriate 400’s.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
Team Leader, Discovery Team
UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
2400 Life Sciences Building
621 Charles E Young Drive South
Box 957230
Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230
My pronouns are she/her/hers

From: Heb-naco 
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 On Behalf Of Rachel Simon via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 7:20 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Arab name

What should be the authorized form of the name of an Arab writing in Hebrew, 
when the cover also has the name in Arabic? This related to the book by עלי 
ח'ליפה . Should the Hebrew form be Romanized as Ḥ'alifah, ʻAli ? ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ 
‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
What should be the authorized form of the name of an Arab writing in Hebrew, 
when the cover also has the name in Arabic? This related to the book by  עלי 
ח'ליפה . Should the Hebrew form be Romanized as Ḥ'alifah, ʻAli  ?
The Arabic would be Khalīfah, ʻAlī Ṣāliḥ
There is also a Romanized form of the name: Ali Khalefa.

Thanks,

Rachel


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization FAQ on AJL wiki

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Excellent, thank you. Please let me know of other words as you encounter them, 
either via email or the form.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

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From: Miller, Caroline 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:51:09 AM
To: HEB-NACO list posting ; Shinohara, 
Jasmin 
Subject: Re: Romanization FAQ on AJL wiki

Hi Jasmin,

Thanks for pointing out the link!  I totally missed it.

I've seen it as li-hiyot (most common), lihiyot (no hyphen), and liheyot (no 
hyphen)

Caroline



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Team Leader, Discovery Team

UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

2400 Life Sciences Building

621 Charles E Young Drive South

Box 957230

Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230


From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 12:06 AM
To: Miller, Caroline ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; HEB-NACO List Posting 
(heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu) 
Subject: Re: Romanization FAQ on AJL wiki

<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization*20FAQ__;JQ!!IBzWLUs!W41laOMB7QF8Uj082pnMqCrP9YSMMWKFuMvGVyhw6Qh9Pw7hretW98OCONbc72yiz_LQOHfLA1Z7_Z6zEjWuw3uV88CZXA$>Thanks,
 Caroline, for asking. Yes! The FAQ is regularly updated. In addition, at the 
top of the 
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 page, above the chart, is the line “Are we missing a word? Please let us know 
here”, with “here” linking to a Google doc 
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I will gladly add להיות when I’m next in front of the computer. Li-heyot is the 
correct form; how have you seen it misromanized?

Kol tuv, Shabat shalom, and a wonderful holiday weekend to all, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  on 
behalf of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 1:29:56 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting (heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu) 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization FAQ on AJL wiki


Is the romanization FAQ on the AJL wiki updated regularly?  If so, can we 
suggest words that we run across in OCLC as mis-romanized?  I would like to add 
li-heyot (להיות)



Thanks.



Caroline



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UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

2400 Life Sciences Building

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Box 957230

Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization FAQ on AJL wiki

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Thanks, Caroline, for asking. Yes! The FAQ is regularly updated. In addition, 
at the top of the 
wiki page, above the chart, is the line “Are we missing a word? Please let us 
know here”, with “here” linking to a Google doc 
form.

I will gladly add להיות when I’m next in front of the computer. Li-heyot is the 
correct form; how have you seen it misromanized?

Kol tuv, Shabat shalom, and a wonderful holiday weekend to all, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco  on 
behalf of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 1:29:56 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting (heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu) 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization FAQ on AJL wiki


Is the romanization FAQ on the AJL wiki updated regularly?  If so, can we 
suggest words that we run across in OCLC as mis-romanized?  I would like to add 
li-heyot (להיות)



Thanks.



Caroline



Caroline R. Miller

Team Leader, Discovery Team

UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

2400 Life Sciences Building

621 Charles E Young Drive South

Box 957230

Los Angeles, CA  90095-7230

My pronouns are she/her/hers


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization of מחשבות

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Hi, Caroline,

The word you ask about underwent changes between different editions of Even 
Shoshan (see list of words affected 
here), so it makes sense that catalogs reflects that change over time. The word 
in semihut form is correctly romanized mahshevot, as in, “the thoughts of X”. 
In the case of your title, not in semihut, the current E-Sh vocalizes it 
מַחְשָׁבוֹת; its correct romanization is mahshavot. (Sorry, Yossi.)

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization of מחשבות

All, How would you romanize מחשבות? My title is מחשבות על אמנות מודרנית I’m 
seeing most records in the LC catalog are “mahshavot” (dot under h) but there 
are 24 records with “mahashavot” (dot under h) and 15 records with “mahshevot” 
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How would you romanize מחשבות?  My title is מחשבות על אמנות מודרנית

I’m seeing most records in the LC catalog are “mahshavot” (dot under h) but 
there are 24 records with “mahashavot” (dot under h) and 15 records with 
“mahshevot” (dot under h).  I see it all those ways ways in my (not up-to-date) 
version of Even Shoshan.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller
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UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services
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[Heb-NACO] Lamda 'iyun

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Hello, friends,

Please note the note in the record for the above series-like phrase: “A 
division/imprint of Universiṭah ha-petuḥah. Not to be considered a series or 
quoted as a series-like phrase. Transcribe the name as publisher. Disregard the 
hierarchical name Universiṭah ha-petuḥah.” For the 15 libraries with holdings 
on the title Nashim ṿe-ziḳnah (on 1235902819), you may wish to update your 
local records.

Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin

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University of Pennsylvania
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3420 Walnut Street
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[Heb-NACO] FW: [PCCLIST] Revised Report on Recording Gender in Personal Name Authority Records

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Apologies for not sharing this sooner. To the attention of our NACO catalogers 
for immediate implementation.

Best wishes and שבת שלום, Jasmin

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  On Behalf 
Of Jennifer W. Baxmeyer
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2022 9:07 AM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Revised Report on Recording Gender in Personal Name 
Authority Records

Good morning!

In spring 2021, the PCC Advisory Committee on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion 
(DEI) reconvened the Ad Hoc Task Group on Recording Gender in Name Authority 
Records to update its original 
report
 from October 2016.

It is with deep gratitude for the task group (original members Amber Billey 
(chair), Matthew Haugen, John Hostage, Nancy Sack, and Adam Schiff, plus new 
members Jay Colbert and Violeta Ilik) for their thoughtful work and patience 
that I am sharing with you that PoCo, the PCC Policy Committee, has approved 
the task group’s “Revised Report on Recording Gender in Personal Name Authority 
Records.” A link to the revised report can be found on the PCC 
website
 under “What’s New?” but for your convenience, here is a direct link to the 
report: 
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.

The recommendation approved by PoCo is “Do not record the RDA gender element 
(MARC 375) in personal name authority records. Delete existing 375 fields when 
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Safrut??

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Looks like LC has an earlier edition, 
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Safrut??

Safrut is also correct. In any case you can add a 246 field and have it with 
Sifrut Yossi Joseph Galron-Goldschläger –– Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger 
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Safrut is also correct.
In any case you can add a 246 field and have it with Sifrut

Yossi


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Hello wise cataloguers I am cataloguing the following: ‏ אוצר ספרות ישראל : 
אנתולוגיה בפרוזה ושיר לכל מקצועות היצירה העברית וחזיונותיה למן חתימת כתבי הקדש 
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Hello wise cataloguers

I am cataloguing the following:

‏ אוצר ספרות ישראל : אנתולוגיה בפרוזה ושיר לכל מקצועות היצירה העברית וחזיונותיה 
למן חתימת כתבי הקדש / ערוך ומסודר ביד י.ל. ברוך.
(2nd edition, Vilna: Yehudiyah, 1919)

The title is vocalised on the title page with a pataḥ under the sameḥ so should 
I transcribe as safrut even though there’s no such vocalisation in Even Shoshan 
(and add a 246 with sifrut)?

Thanks

Vanessa

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