Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
The point is you have the *choice*. With mircro$haft you have freedoms taken away. oh how much does it cost to set up a legal ASP box? And how much for a legal PHP/Apache box :o?? I personally dont trust anything from a company that large. Having read about how ms manipulated and held back netscape i am convinced they should be kicked squarely in the nuts. Of course if you like expensive software from the bloat king who am I to try an change your mind. Myself, well I will be returning to my Linux box to play with my backend PHP library code. Which was so easy to write its untrue. If you can figure out C++ then I challenge you not to find PHP the most easy language on the planet. jc Daniel Koppes wrote: True... but PHP can run on IIS too :) At 17:46 16/08/03, you wrote: ASP only runs on Micro$haft IIS -- the most remotely hacked web server on earth. Flexible in terms of the number of ways you can be 0wn3ed, maybe. At 09:18 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: You are obviously biased. ;) With 14 years of professional development experience I can say hands down I find ASP (and more so .net) far more flexible and capable the PHP any day. However, it, like Perl, awk, sed, etc all have their place in the scheme of development ;) Michael A. Hobson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (310) 649-0792 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- Programmer and Modeller for http://pokemod.fragoff.net/The http://pokemod.fragoff.net/Pokemod -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Map Overviews
http://www.slipgate.de/hltv/hltv_FAQ_coders.html By martin otten, the HLTV guy. -- MoD. - Original Message - From: Brian A. Stumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Map Overviews all I need is overviews like the ones that come with valve maps, I want them the same scale too. Its for a webbased hltv type deal. I think someone gave me the command already, I haven't tried but assume he knows more on it that I ;) On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Tei wrote: El Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Brian A. Stumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: my 0.01 cents (99% crap): maybe the better way can be to make a txt file with the name of all bsp maps in your mod, load these maps and move player to 0 0 4096, send a screnshots to client console and move to next map. This can be a mod feature, or a minimod. Will not be perfectly 2D. Hee... maybe you can tweak the OpenGL driver to force a isometric matrix, or have fov 0 or something... (fov 0 == isometric?) other option, maybe much better, is to do this by hand from a good map editor. A interesting issue from some maps editor (Quark) is that can add some fog that can enhance the 3d look of your 2d maps,.. ...I dont remeber if HL itself support fog, but any screenshot with some light fog will look deeper. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] HL MDL body limitation?
hi, I noticed that out mod seems to have problems with player models with many bodies/bodygroups. As soon as the number of possible body combinations becomes too great (a guess 8 is the limit), the bodies are not displayed correctly. As we use many bodygroups the number of possible combinations is much greater than 8, and the player model does not work. Could that be an engine bug or a bug in StudioModelRenderer, or is it a bug of my code? Rockefeller ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] HL MDL body limitation?
Its called limitations of 32bit archetecture. -omega Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com Omega Wing - http://owing.blackened-interactive.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rockefeller Sent: August 16, 2003 6:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi, I noticed that out mod seems to have problems with player models with many bodies/bodygroups. As soon as the number of possible body combinations becomes too great (a guess 8 is the limit), the bodies are not displayed correctly. As we use many bodygroups the number of possible combinations is much greater than 8, and the player model does not work. Could that be an engine bug or a bug in StudioModelRenderer, or is it a bug of my code? Rockefeller ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
Yikes! It's like blood in the water around sharks, but instead of sharks we have *nix freaks! As a corporation and working for other corporations, I (and my various employers) never have had a problem paying a fee that, compared to the salary they pay me and the total revenue they bring it and the marketing value of the website, is miniscule and as a percentage less then .01% of their total yearly income! $1700 for a licensed Win2000 server + SQL Server is a drop in the bucket. So instead of focusing on a cost that you would likely never pay anyway, I don't mind arguing the +- of any one platform. I mean, how many companies have shelled out the cost of a Coldfusion server (at a MUCH higher price) just so they can hire less expensive programmers (since the platform is /real/ easy to manage and manipulate (albeit at the expense of some functionality and speed). Regarding functionality of ASP versus PHP. Yes, if you know C++ you can construct or use other libraries for functionality. C# ships with most common libraries standardized and integrated into the platform and includes tools made to allow a small to a large development shop reuse the code and (again) work as a standardized platform. PHP standardization is non-existant (except in the case of Zend which has a cost, yes?) . My last complaint is database support. MYSql isn't truly an option for a large development platform as, while it does improve, it lacks much of the needed functionality that more robust and developed platforms provide (dynamic stored procedures, row level locking, foreign key constraint and trickle, object clustering). On Linux, you have to use Sybase or Oracle (I believe?) or DB2. All of these options cost money (in the case of Oracle, quite an exorbitant amount). I consider Sybase a very good database, but MS Sql Server is comparable (seeing as how it's roots exist in Sybase10x). Just my thoughts! I'm a die-hard ./ fan and *nix geek as well. Shane PHXX.net p.s. ASP can be run off chilsoft! platform on Apache as well. - Original Message - From: jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder The point is you have the *choice*. With mircro$haft you have freedoms taken away. oh how much does it cost to set up a legal ASP box? And how much for a legal PHP/Apache box :o?? I personally dont trust anything from a company that large. Having read about how ms manipulated and held back netscape i am convinced they should be kicked squarely in the nuts. Of course if you like expensive software from the bloat king who am I to try an change your mind. Myself, well I will be returning to my Linux box to play with my backend PHP library code. Which was so easy to write its untrue. If you can figure out C++ then I challenge you not to find PHP the most easy language on the planet. jc Daniel Koppes wrote: True... but PHP can run on IIS too :) At 17:46 16/08/03, you wrote: ASP only runs on Micro$haft IIS -- the most remotely hacked web server on earth. Flexible in terms of the number of ways you can be 0wn3ed, maybe. At 09:18 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: You are obviously biased. ;) With 14 years of professional development experience I can say hands down I find ASP (and more so .net) far more flexible and capable the PHP any day. However, it, like Perl, awk, sed, etc all have their place in the scheme of development ;) Michael A. Hobson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (310) 649-0792 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- Programmer and Modeller for http://pokemod.fragoff.net/The http://pokemod.fragoff.net/Pokemod -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
Shane wrote: On Linux, you have to use Sybase or Oracle (I believe?) or DB2. All of these options cost money (in the case of Oracle, quite an exorbitant amount). I don't want to add to the PHP vs. ASP.NET discussion, but as for the databases didn't you forget about PostgreSQL? I'd like to hear what's wrong with PostgreSQL? (Which doesn't cost money to buy it.) Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
I'll be honest - I have no experience using it. Most PHP programmers I know talk of MYsql and most corporate ones speak of Sybase. Shane - Original Message - From: Florian Zschocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder Shane wrote: On Linux, you have to use Sybase or Oracle (I believe?) or DB2. All of these options cost money (in the case of Oracle, quite an exorbitant amount). I don't want to add to the PHP vs. ASP.NET discussion, but as for the databases didn't you forget about PostgreSQL? I'd like to hear what's wrong with PostgreSQL? (Which doesn't cost money to buy it.) Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
Shane wrote: I'll be honest - I have no experience using it. Most PHP programmers I know talk of MYsql and most corporate ones speak of Sybase. Well, I'm no database expert but if MySQL doesn't need you meets and you don't want to go spend lots of money for a commercial DBS on Linux, you should make sure to check out PostgreSQL the next time you need to set one up under Unix. It is more advanced than MySQL, e.g. providing stored procedures and row-level locking. I haven't used it myself but I do know that it is often used when a full-fledged DBS is needed instead of the rather low-end MySQL solution. Just a tip. :) Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
When I said that php was better than asp, I didn't mean on the 'functionality' level, I mean heck asp is pretty much visual basic and you can't go wrong with that. I meant it on an overall implementation level - you need to be running IIS, which has more holes than swiss cheese. I don't have any experience with ASP.NET, because I quickly moved to php when I found it to be the far superior and more stable architecture at the time (about three years ago). Since then both languages have grown and both have their place, but for something like server scripting and interfacing with half-life, I would have to say that php is inherently better (just as hlds_l is better than hlds ;]) _ Jeff 'Kuja' Katz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Florian Zschocke Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder Shane wrote: I'll be honest - I have no experience using it. Most PHP programmers I know talk of MYsql and most corporate ones speak of Sybase. Well, I'm no database expert but if MySQL doesn't need you meets and you don't want to go spend lots of money for a commercial DBS on Linux, you should make sure to check out PostgreSQL the next time you need to set one up under Unix. It is more advanced than MySQL, e.g. providing stored procedures and row-level locking. I haven't used it myself but I do know that it is often used when a full-fledged DBS is needed instead of the rather low-end MySQL solution. Just a tip. :) Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
At 08:34 AM 8/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: Regarding functionality of ASP versus PHP. Yes, if you know C++ you can construct or use other libraries for functionality. C# ships with most common libraries standardized and integrated into the platform and includes tools made to allow a small to a large development shop reuse the code and (again) work as a standardized platform. PHP standardization is non-existant (except in the case of Zend which has a cost, yes?) . PHP has a long way to go to be mature enough to be 'the only solution for everything', and then I feel anyone who believes that to be foolish, every language has a cost associated with using it.. I think PHP is more where ASP used to be before .NET. I think with ASP.NET it's insane what you can do (and probably the security holes you open up running it... ) It's also got a lot of weird problems... globals are unsafe, so there's no longer such a thing if you set the options so that tainted data isn't just allowed in? Global variables should not require redeclaration inside the function scope, that goes against the very concept of globals. I think they need to rethink their solution to shoddy PHP programmers a bit there. (the real problem was people with no programming expertise unsafely using globals). My last complaint is database support. MYSql isn't truly an option for a large development platform as, while it does improve, it lacks much of the needed functionality that more robust and developed platforms provide (dynamic stored procedures, row level locking, foreign key constraint and trickle, object clustering). On Linux, you have to use Sybase or Oracle (I believe?) or DB2. All of these options cost money (in the case of Oracle, quite an exorbitant amount). I consider Sybase a very good database, but MS Sql Server is comparable (seeing as how it's roots exist in Sybase10x). Actually, it depends on how many connections to Oracle you need, you can get Oracle (fully functional legal versions, etc) for about 30 dollars a month -- that's for like 5 connections or something.. so that's obviously too few for web stuff, but it's nowhere near as expensive as one may think, and it's pretty comparable with SQL Server for similar sized operations. Coupled with better speed and stability, I can't see a reason to use SQL server unless you want the database on the application server, but that's just wrong to me. Sybase and SQL server have forked pretty widely.. not sure they're all that related any longer, at least talking to someone who worked with both, he preferred sybase. MySQL is perfect for dynamic unimportant data, like news pages, blogs and such drivel. Without transactions (sure coming, but how buggy will the new feature be) and the like, it's not a real database, they're working on all this, but I suspect they'll just screw up what was a great option for small scale data (i.e non-financial stuff that isn't being updated nearly as much as retreived). Actually, PHP works with any databases you want it to nearly, I use it with an access database (ugh don't ask crappy web host). I'd say use PostGresSQL if MySQL doesn't meet your needs, it's free, and has most of the features of the big boys (transactions, locking, yadda yadda), minus the cost. I'd just not want to put an IIS server on the net myself. ASP on Apache maybe then... ;). Just my thoughts! I'm a die-hard ./ fan and *nix geek as well. Shane PHXX.net p.s. ASP can be run off chilsoft! platform on Apache as well. - Original Message - From: jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder The point is you have the *choice*. With mircro$haft you have freedoms taken away. oh how much does it cost to set up a legal ASP box? And how much for a legal PHP/Apache box :o?? I personally dont trust anything from a company that large. Having read about how ms manipulated and held back netscape i am convinced they should be kicked squarely in the nuts. Of course if you like expensive software from the bloat king who am I to try an change your mind. Myself, well I will be returning to my Linux box to play with my backend PHP library code. Which was so easy to write its untrue. If you can figure out C++ then I challenge you not to find PHP the most easy language on the planet. jc Daniel Koppes wrote: True... but PHP can run on IIS too :) At 17:46 16/08/03, you wrote: ASP only runs on Micro$haft IIS -- the most remotely hacked web server on earth. Flexible in terms of the number of ways you can be 0wn3ed, maybe. At 09:18 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: You are obviously biased. ;) With 14 years of professional development experience I can say hands down I find ASP (and more so .net) far more flexible and capable the PHP any day. However, it, like Perl, awk, sed, etc all have their place in the scheme of development ;) Michael A.
Re: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
Hm, I'm thinking somehow I got signed up on the PHP vs. ASP discussion group instead of HLCODERS. How do I get back to HLCODERS? :) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Looking for a HLSTATS, SQLServer and ASP Coder
I was going to post a reply earlier to see if people would stop posting sure I'd like to work for you replies. Its beginning to look like a public classified add. -omega Blackened Interactive - http://www.blackened-interactive.com Omega Wing - http://owing.blackened-interactive.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of botman Sent: August 16, 2003 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hm, I'm thinking somehow I got signed up on the PHP vs. ASP discussion group instead of HLCODERS. How do I get back to HLCODERS? :) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Re: HL MDL body limitation?
Its called limitations of 32bit archetecture. You can encode 8 combinations within 3 bits. And a model with 8 combinations works. But with 4 heads, 2 main bodies, 4 extensions ( == 32 possible combinations, 5 bit encoded) you are FAR from any int, byte or whatever limit, and that does NOT work. So i guess it's not an 32 bit architecture limitation. :) body seems to be a byte in the engine, for StudioModelRenderer sets it to 255 for MP hires models. I commented out that line, added a debug output, and that shows that the value set in the server dll gets to StudioModelRenderer correctly. I'm quite sure that this is an engine limitation or bug... Rockefeller ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
