subject:"Re\: \[hlds\] New crash exploit\?\(TF2\)"

So when was i entitled to be harassed?
1nsane decides to harass me via msn.
Mana says:
haha fattie

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?

 Kitteny Berk wrote:
  But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
  cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
  you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
 
  Justin wrote:
 
  I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove
 the
  crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't expect
  this to happen..
  it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Just to clarify myself a little;
 
  Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers
 and
  admins.
 
  Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
  servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community,
 the
  result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought
 the
  game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
 this,
  but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got
 to
  love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
  the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales for
  activision.
 
 
  What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
 cracked
  tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
 cheating
  to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
 
  You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
  sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing
 out
  at others who seem to run legit servers.
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
 
 
  Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by supporting,
  condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
 
  Justin wrote:
 
 
 
  Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
 onto a
  server.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
  counts, but maybe that's just me.
 
 
  On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres
 
 
  your
 
 
 
 
  slap
 
 
 
 
  on the wrist?)
  honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
 manipulation
  plugin or take it off your server altogether.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
  I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing
 
 
  cvar
 
 
  exploits a while ago.
 
  Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here
 
 
  too?
 
 
  Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie
 
 
  (the
 
 
 
 
  last
 
 
 
 
  part is confirmed).
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
 mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
  I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
 
 
 
 
  crashing
 
 
 
 
  after a player with a blank name joins.
  The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of
 
 
  the
 
 
 
 
  ip
 
 
 
 
  are
  not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
 
 
 
 
  really
 
 
 
 
  trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Actually im not banned from most servers i really don't consider them
servers,
And I have a lot of people who want to play with me and the crashing servers
shit was to make valve fix the damn exploit after it was happening to my
server in may-march(don't remember when)
But being banned is the least of my worries, I got plenty of non big box
servers to play on that arent whores(like is1337 or lotus which is your
shitty servers)
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty server
 and I guess no one wants to play with him.


 http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.html

 Crashing servers does that to ya.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:

  Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
   But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
   cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
   you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
   I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove
  the
   crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
 expect
   this to happen..
   it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
   Just to clarify myself a little;
  
   Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers
  and
   admins.
  
   Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
   servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community,
  the
   result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought
  the
   game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
  this,
   but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got
  to
   love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
   the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales
 for
   activision.
  
  
   What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
  cracked
   tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
  cheating
   to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
  
   You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
   sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing
  out
   at others who seem to run legit servers.
  
   Kitteny Berk wrote:
  
  
   Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
 supporting,
   condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
  
  
   Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
  onto a
   server.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
 player
   counts, but maybe that's just me.
  
  
   On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
 ago(wheres
  
  
   your
  
  
  
  
   slap
  
  
  
  
   on the wrist?)
   honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
  manipulation
   plugin or take it off your server altogether.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
 crashing
  
  
   cvar
  
  
   exploits a while ago.
  
   Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it
 here
  
  
   too?
  
  
   Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
 fattie
  
  
   (the
  
  
  
  
   last
  
  
  
  
   part is confirmed).
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
  mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
  
  
  
  
   crashing
  
  
  
  
   after a player with a blank name joins.
   The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs
 of
  
  
   the
  
  
  
  
   ip
  
  
  
  
   are
   not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
  
  
  
  
   really
  
  
  
  
   trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread 1nsane

Stay away from my servers with your exploits next time.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com wrote:

 So when was i entitled to be harassed?
 1nsane decides to harass me via msn.
 Mana says:
 haha fattie

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:

  Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
   But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
   cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
   you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
   I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove
  the
   crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
 expect
   this to happen..
   it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
   Just to clarify myself a little;
  
   Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers
  and
   admins.
  
   Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
   servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community,
  the
   result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought
  the
   game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
  this,
   but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got
  to
   love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
   the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales
 for
   activision.
  
  
   What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
  cracked
   tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
  cheating
   to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
  
   You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
   sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing
  out
   at others who seem to run legit servers.
  
   Kitteny Berk wrote:
  
  
   Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
 supporting,
   condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
  
  
   Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
  onto a
   server.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
 player
   counts, but maybe that's just me.
  
  
   On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
 ago(wheres
  
  
   your
  
  
  
  
   slap
  
  
  
  
   on the wrist?)
   honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
  manipulation
   plugin or take it off your server altogether.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
 crashing
  
  
   cvar
  
  
   exploits a while ago.
  
   Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it
 here
  
  
   too?
  
  
   Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
 fattie
  
  
   (the
  
  
  
  
   last
  
  
  
  
   part is confirmed).
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
  mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
  
  
  
  
   crashing
  
  
  
  
   after a player with a blank name joins.
   The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs
 of
  
  
   the
  
  
  
  
   ip
  
  
  
  
   are
   not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
  
  
  
  
   really
  
  
  
  
   trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

And so the harassing continues.
Mana says:
haha fat ass

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty server
 and I guess no one wants to play with him.


 http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.html

 Crashing servers does that to ya.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:

  Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
   But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
   cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
   you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
   I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove
  the
   crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
 expect
   this to happen..
   it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
   Just to clarify myself a little;
  
   Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers
  and
   admins.
  
   Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
   servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community,
  the
   result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought
  the
   game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
  this,
   but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got
  to
   love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
   the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales
 for
   activision.
  
  
   What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
  cracked
   tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
  cheating
   to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
  
   You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
   sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing
  out
   at others who seem to run legit servers.
  
   Kitteny Berk wrote:
  
  
   Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
 supporting,
   condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
  
  
   Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
  onto a
   server.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
 player
   counts, but maybe that's just me.
  
  
   On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
 ago(wheres
  
  
   your
  
  
  
  
   slap
  
  
  
  
   on the wrist?)
   honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
  manipulation
   plugin or take it off your server altogether.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
 crashing
  
  
   cvar
  
  
   exploits a while ago.
  
   Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it
 here
  
  
   too?
  
  
   Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
 fattie
  
  
   (the
  
  
  
  
   last
  
  
  
  
   part is confirmed).
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
  mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
  
  
  
  
   crashing
  
  
  
  
   after a player with a blank name joins.
   The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs
 of
  
  
   the
  
  
  
  
   ip
  
  
  
  
   are
   not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
  
  
  
  
   really
  
  
  
  
   trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

I love how you bring up shit from almost a year ago to protect your ass. You
should wipe it sometime.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:37 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Stay away from my servers with your exploits next time.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  So when was i entitled to be harassed?
  1nsane decides to harass me via msn.
  Mana says:
  haha fattie
 
  On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?
  
   Kitteny Berk wrote:
But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
   
Justin wrote:
   
I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to
 remove
   the
crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
  expect
this to happen..
it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
 
   wrote:
   
   
   
Just to clarify myself a little;
   
Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among
 gamers
   and
admins.
   
Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/
 cracked
servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my
 community,
   the
result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have
 bought
   the
game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
   this,
but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had
 got
   to
love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community,
 as
the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales
  for
activision.
   
   
What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
   cracked
tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
   cheating
to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
   
You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused
 more
sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're
 lashing
   out
at others who seem to run legit servers.
   
Kitteny Berk wrote:
   
   
Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
  supporting,
condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
   
Justin wrote:
   
   
   
Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
   onto a
server.
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper 
 mslee...@cyberwurx.com
   
   
wrote:
   
   
   
   
Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
  player
counts, but maybe that's just me.
   
   
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
   
   
   
   
Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
  ago(wheres
   
   
your
   
   
   
   
slap
   
   
   
   
on the wrist?)
honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
   manipulation
plugin or take it off your server altogether.
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
  crashing
   
   
cvar
   
   
exploits a while ago.
   
Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it
  here
   
   
too?
   
   
Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
  fattie
   
   
(the
   
   
   
   
last
   
   
   
   
part is confirmed).
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
   mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server
 keeps
   
   
   
   
crashing
   
   
   
   
after a player with a blank name joins.
The crash happens instantly after the player connects and
 logs
  of
   
   
the
   
   
   
   
ip
   
   
   
   
are
not made; I don't know what this player has against us but
 he's
   
   
   
   
really
   
   
   
   
trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Craig Collinson

isnt it time for your bottle ?

2008/12/20 Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com

 And so the harassing continues.
 Mana says:
 haha fat ass

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

  Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty
 server
  and I guess no one wants to play with him.
 
 
 
 http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a
 
 
 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.html
 
  Crashing servers does that to ya.
 
  On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?
  
   Kitteny Berk wrote:
But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
   
Justin wrote:
   
I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to
 remove
   the
crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
  expect
this to happen..
it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
 
   wrote:
   
   
   
Just to clarify myself a little;
   
Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among
 gamers
   and
admins.
   
Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/
 cracked
servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my
 community,
   the
result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have
 bought
   the
game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
   this,
but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had
 got
   to
love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community,
 as
the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales
  for
activision.
   
   
What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
   cracked
tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
   cheating
to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
   
You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused
 more
sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're
 lashing
   out
at others who seem to run legit servers.
   
Kitteny Berk wrote:
   
   
Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
  supporting,
condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
   
Justin wrote:
   
   
   
Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
   onto a
server.
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper 
 mslee...@cyberwurx.com
   
   
wrote:
   
   
   
   
Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
  player
counts, but maybe that's just me.
   
   
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
   
   
   
   
Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
  ago(wheres
   
   
your
   
   
   
   
slap
   
   
   
   
on the wrist?)
honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
   manipulation
plugin or take it off your server altogether.
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
  crashing
   
   
cvar
   
   
exploits a while ago.
   
Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it
  here
   
   
too?
   
   
Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
  fattie
   
   
(the
   
   
   
   
last
   
   
   
   
part is confirmed).
   
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
   mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server
 keeps
   
   
   
   
crashing
   
   
   
   
after a player with a blank name joins.
The crash happens instantly after the player connects and
 logs
  of
   
   
the
   
   
   
   
ip
   
   
   
   
are
not made; I don't know what this player has against us but
 he's
   
   
   
   
really
   
   
   
   
trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Steve Stifler

The guy has a point

There are alot of things that aren't right in the world like the price of
software, piracy, microsoft's idiocy, valve not caring about server admins,
the price of tea in China. but we don't need to add to it by being
abusive.


On 12/20/08, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com wrote:

 So when was i entitled to be harassed?
 1nsane decides to harass me via msn.
 Mana says:
 haha fattie


 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:


  Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
   But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
   cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
   you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
   I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove
  the
   crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
 expect
   this to happen..
   it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
   Just to clarify myself a little;
  
   Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers
  and
   admins.
  
   Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
   servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community,
  the
   result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought
  the
   game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against
  this,
   but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got
  to
   love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
   the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales
 for
   activision.
  
  
   What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
  cracked
   tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
  cheating
   to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
  
   You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
   sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing
  out
   at others who seem to run legit servers.
  
   Kitteny Berk wrote:
  
  
   Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
 supporting,
   condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
  
  
   Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic
  onto a
   server.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
 player
   counts, but maybe that's just me.
  
  
   On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
  
  
  
  
   Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
 ago(wheres
  
  
   your
  
  
  
  
   slap
  
  
  
  
   on the wrist?)
   honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
  manipulation
   plugin or take it off your server altogether.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
 crashing
  
  
   cvar
  
  
   exploits a while ago.
  
   Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it
 here
  
  
   too?
  
  
   Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
 fattie
  
  
   (the
  
  
  
  
   last
  
  
  
  
   part is confirmed).
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin 
  mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
  
  
  
  
   crashing
  
  
  
  
   after a player with a blank name joins.
   The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs
 of
  
  
   the
  
  
  
  
   ip
  
  
  
  
   are
   not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
  
  
  
  
   really
  
  
  
  
   trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Shawn Zipay

A crazy idea for everyone in this particular topic:

Shut up.

The rest of us really don't care about this stupid back and forth that
apparently has no end. So on behalf of everyone else on this list, everyone
needs to just drop it and move on.

Shawn P. Zipay
Site Director

Total Gaming Network -- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com
MyInternetServices -- http://www.myinternetservices.com
CS-Nation -- http://www.csnation.net

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Craig Collinson
craig.collinso...@googlemail.com wrote:

isnt it time for your bottle ?

2008/12/20 Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com

And so the harassing continues.
Mana says:
haha fat ass

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty
server
and I guess no one wants to play with him.

http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.html

Crashing servers does that to ya.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:

Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?

Kitteny Berk wrote:
But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping
it
cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.

Justin wrote:

I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to
remove
the
crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't
expect
this to happen..
it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk
b...@hairy-arse.com

wrote:

Just to clarify myself a little;

Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among
gamers
and
admins.

Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/
cracked
servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my
community,
the
result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have
bought
the
game ended up buying it. (I know some people here will be
against
this,
but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had
got
to
love the game bought it) and that was a one off for my
community,
as
the uptake was slow for such a fun game. net result? 25 more
sales
for
activision.

What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa
cracked
tf2 server. does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
cheating
to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.

You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused
more
sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're
lashing
out
at others who seem to run legit servers.

Kitteny Berk wrote:

Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
supporting,
condoning, and advertising piracy, You're nothing but a
parasite.

Justin wrote:

Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get
traffic
onto a
server.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper
mslee...@cyberwurx.com

wrote:

Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
player
counts, but maybe that's just me.

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:

Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
ago(wheres

your

slap

on the wrist?)
honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
manipulation
plugin or take it off your server altogether.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com

wrote:

I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
crashing

cvar

exploits a while ago.

Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about
it
here

too?

Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
fattie

(the

last

part is confirmed).

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin
mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
wrote:

I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server
keeps

crashing

after a player with a blank name joins.
The crash happens instantly after the player connects and
logs
of

the

are
not made; I don't know what

Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread 1nsane

I agree with this. Let's keep this off the list. There are far more direct
ways of ... amusement.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Shawn Zipay z...@csnation.net wrote:

A crazy idea for everyone in this particular topic:

Shut up.

The rest of us really don't care about this stupid back and forth that
apparently has no end. So on behalf of everyone else on this list,
everyone
needs to just drop it and move on.

Shawn P. Zipay
Site Director

Total Gaming Network -- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com
MyInternetServices -- http://www.myinternetservices.com
CS-Nation -- http://www.csnation.net

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Craig Collinson
craig.collinso...@googlemail.com wrote:

isnt it time for your bottle ?

2008/12/20 Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com

And so the harassing continues.
Mana says:
haha fat ass

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty
server
and I guess no one wants to play with him.

http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.html

Crashing servers does that to ya.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com
wrote:

Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?

Kitteny Berk wrote:
But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping
it
cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more
like
you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.

Justin wrote:

I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to
remove
the
crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i
didn't
expect
this to happen..
it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk
b...@hairy-arse.com

wrote:

Just to clarify myself a little;

Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among
gamers
and
admins.

Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/
cracked
servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my
community,
the
result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have
bought
the
game ended up buying it. (I know some people here will be
against
this,
but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people
had
got
to
love the game bought it) and that was a one off for my
community,
as
the uptake was slow for such a fun game. net result? 25 more
sales
for
activision.

What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only
english/usa
cracked
tf2 server. does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect
cheating
to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.

You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've
caused
more
sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're
lashing
out
at others who seem to run legit servers.

Kitteny Berk wrote:

Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
supporting,
condoning, and advertising piracy, You're nothing but a
parasite.

Justin wrote:

Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get
traffic
onto a
server.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper
mslee...@cyberwurx.com

wrote:

Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing
player
counts, but maybe that's just me.

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:

Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
ago(wheres

your

slap

on the wrist?)
honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
manipulation
plugin or take it off your server altogether.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane.pw@
gmail.com

wrote:

I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
crashing

cvar

exploits a while ago.

Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about
it
here

too?

Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,
fattie

(the

last

part is confirmed).

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin
mysteriousjus...@gmail.com

Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Tom Leighton

Bearing in mind crashing servers could be considered illegal depending
on where you live.

But guys stop harassing him, he does what he chooses to do, if that is
illegal then on his shoulders it is. Not ours. Don't get involved.

Justin wrote:
Actually im not banned from most servers i really don't consider them
servers,
And I have a lot of people who want to play with me and the crashing servers
shit was to make valve fix the damn exploit after it was happening to my
server in may-march(don't remember when)
But being banned is the least of my worries, I got plenty of non big box
servers to play on that arent whores(like is1337 or lotus which is your
shitty servers)
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty server
and I guess no one wants to play with him.

http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.html

Crashing servers does that to ya.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote:

Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?

Kitteny Berk wrote:

But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and keeping it
cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more like
you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.

Justin wrote:

I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove

the

crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't

expect

this to happen..
it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com

wrote:

Just to clarify myself a little;

Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers

and

admins.

Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community,

the

result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought

the

game ended up buying it. (I know some people here will be against

this,

but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got

love the game bought it) and that was a one off for my community, as
the uptake was slow for such a fun game. net result? 25 more sales

for

activision.

What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa

cracked

tf2 server. does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect

cheating

to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.

You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing

out

at others who seem to run legit servers.

Kitteny Berk wrote:

Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by

supporting,

condoning, and advertising piracy, You're nothing but a parasite.

Justin wrote:

Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic

onto a

server.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com

wrote:

Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing

player

counts, but maybe that's just me.

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:

Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while

ago(wheres

your

slap

on the wrist?)
honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet

manipulation

plugin or take it off your server altogether.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com

wrote:

I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server

crashing

cvar

exploits a while ago.

Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it

here

too?

Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list,

fattie

(the

last

part is confirmed).

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin

mysteriousjus...@gmail.com

wrote:

I don't know how its happening, but my

Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald

Hey, I missed googling his steamid.

I stumbled upon this:

http://forums.artofwarcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1195

I guess karma caught up to him.

- Spencer



-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:53 AM
To: z...@csnation.net; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

I agree with this. Let's keep this off the list. There are far more direct
ways of ... amusement.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Shawn Zipay z...@csnation.net wrote:

 A crazy idea for everyone in this particular topic:

 Shut up.

 The rest of us really don't care about this stupid back and forth that
 apparently has no end.  So on behalf of everyone else on this list,
 everyone
 needs to just drop it and move on.

 Shawn P. Zipay
 Site Director

 Total Gaming Network -- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com
 MyInternetServices -- http://www.myinternetservices.com
 CS-Nation -- http://www.csnation.net


 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Craig Collinson 
 craig.collinso...@googlemail.com wrote:

  isnt it time for your bottle ?
 
  2008/12/20 Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
 
   And so the harassing continues.
   Mana says:
   haha fat ass
  
   On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Haha, he's banned from most servers so he has to run his own shitty
   server
and I guess no one wants to play with him.
   
   
   
  
 

http://www.google.com/search?q=STEAM_0%3A0%3A16216315ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=t
rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a
   
   
  
 

http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/hlds@list.valvesoftware.com/9313571.ht
ml
   
Crashing servers does that to ya.
   
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:39 AM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
 Piracy is bad, can we just leave it at that and move on?

 Kitteny Berk wrote:
  But in advertising your cracked server to the public, and
keeping
  it
  cracked (well over a year after release) that strikes me more
 like
  you're running cracked servers and condoning piracy.
 
  Justin wrote:
 
  I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to
   remove
 the
  crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i
 didn't
expect
  this to happen..
  it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk 
  b...@hairy-arse.com
   
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Just to clarify myself a little;
 
  Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among
   gamers
 and
  admins.
 
  Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/
   cracked
  servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my
   community,
 the
  result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have
   bought
 the
  game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be
  against
 this,
  but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people
 had
   got
 to
  love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my
  community,
   as
  the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more
  sales
for
  activision.
 
 
  What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only
 english/usa
 cracked
  tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I
suspect
 cheating
  to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
 
  You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've
 caused
   more
  sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're
   lashing
 out
  at others who seem to run legit servers.
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
 
 
  Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by
supporting,
  condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a
  parasite.
 
  Justin wrote:
 
 
 
  Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get
  traffic
 onto a
  server.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper 
   mslee...@cyberwurx.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than
spoofing
player
  counts, but maybe that's just me.
 
 
  On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
 
 
 
 
  Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while
ago(wheres
 
 
  your
 
 
 
 
  slap
 
 
 
 
  on the wrist?)
  honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet
 manipulation
  plugin or take it off your server altogether.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane.pw@
 gmail.com
  
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
  I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server
crashing

Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Dog

He was banned from our servers last June for trying the ai_los_ exploit
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Kyle Shelton

Yeah I've played on his server a long time, and I've been admin in it as
well, and he's a pretty nice kid.  He's never shown any regards to keeping
the server cracked all the time, we talked about uncracking on pretty often,
but feared we would lose most of our members in the process, and would have
to take it down due to the member quota set by the server hoster, and that's
why we had it cracked, due to the low amounts of activity on the server when
it was non-cracked.

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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread gameadmin

That may or may not be fair enough, depending on how an individual weighs
the morality.  But surely you can see why he's never going to get any help
from the official list, and why believing that he would is grounds for an
amount of ridicule?

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-
 boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Shelton
 Sent: 20 December 2008 20:08
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 Yeah I've played on his server a long time, and I've been admin in it
 as
 well, and he's a pretty nice kid.  He's never shown any regards to
 keeping
 the server cracked all the time, we talked about uncracking on pretty
 often,
 but feared we would lose most of our members in the process, and would
 have
 to take it down due to the member quota set by the server hoster, and
 that's
 why we had it cracked, due to the low amounts of activity on the server
 when
 it was non-cracked.

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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Patrick Shelley

If you cant save $1 for 10 weeks then yes - your country is failing. You
fail. Bye!

On 12/20/08, Winston Doan asina_pr...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
 game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for
 $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with
 my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills,
 and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave
 me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
 some good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
 to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
 crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
 taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become
 far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can
 spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan

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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Siddhartha Gandhi

I want to say that anyone suggesting that cracking your server does not push
people to buy the legit version of the game is ridiculous.

Let me tell you the story of myself, and over 200 other TF2 players. Back in
the months January - June a cracked server called Onan's Disciples was
started. It turned out to be one of the biggest American servers, having a
consistent 32 players for much of the day. When the server was shut down and
replaced by a legit server, almost all of us bought the game on Steam. Just
about everyone who was a regular on that server now owns the game legit, and
the vast majority of them originated as pirates.

That server achieved two things:

a) People bought the game who, if they hadn't gotten the cracked version of
the game, probably wouldn't have.

b) It created a community that lasted even when the server went legit.

Sure, that server allowed people to illegally play the game, some of whom
never went out and bought it (more often than not, because they didn't have
the ability to buy it), but if that server did not exist, would the ones who
did buy it have bought the game? The answer is no.

I'm not justifying piracy, I don't think anyone is, but before you censure
this man consider that piracy doesn't always lead to lost sales.
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Kitteny Berk

Really, if you can't afford that, you have serious issues that go beyond 
your country failing,   mine is too, but $20 isn't exactly a killer.

That's cheaper bog roll and a few bottles of store brand soda for a few 
weeks.


Winston Doan wrote:
 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team 
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I 
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the game 
 just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for $20 
 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with my 
 family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills, and 
 the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing 
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave me 
 a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with some 
 good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me to 
 do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant crashing 
 of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and taking down 
 the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become far to used to 
 playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can spare over the 
 next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan

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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Olly

You think this would work if I went to EMI and asked to pirate their music
because I couldn't afford it. NO. Stop being lame. If you cant afford it
then don't play it, you don't deserve it!
You don't also think valve is feeling the pressure of the economy? If
everyone stopped buying games but still play them then valve won't last for
very long.

But to come on here asking for a fix for something you didn't pay for
are you crazy or has the world gone mad.

2008/12/20 Siddhartha Gandhi siddharthagandhi...@gmail.com

 I want to say that anyone suggesting that cracking your server does not
 push
 people to buy the legit version of the game is ridiculous.

 Let me tell you the story of myself, and over 200 other TF2 players. Back
 in
 the months January - June a cracked server called Onan's Disciples was
 started. It turned out to be one of the biggest American servers, having a
 consistent 32 players for much of the day. When the server was shut down
 and
 replaced by a legit server, almost all of us bought the game on Steam. Just
 about everyone who was a regular on that server now owns the game legit,
 and
 the vast majority of them originated as pirates.

 That server achieved two things:

 a) People bought the game who, if they hadn't gotten the cracked version of
 the game, probably wouldn't have.

 b) It created a community that lasted even when the server went legit.

 Sure, that server allowed people to illegally play the game, some of whom
 never went out and bought it (more often than not, because they didn't have
 the ability to buy it), but if that server did not exist, would the ones
 who
 did buy it have bought the game? The answer is no.

 I'm not justifying piracy, I don't think anyone is, but before you censure
 this man consider that piracy doesn't always lead to lost sales.
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Alec Sanger


Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try the 
game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day 100% 
free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

Thank you,
Alec Sanger
P: 248.941.3813
F: 313.286.8945



From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)


Hello.

I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team Fortress 
2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I would like to 
thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the game just yet to be 
able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for $20 with tax. But with 
the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with my family hitting some 
hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills, and the rest of it goes 
to paying for groceries.

The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing people 
without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave me a chance 
to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with some good people.

Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me to do 
anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant crashing of 
some random occurance of someone or something logging on and taking down the 
server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become far to used to 
playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can spare over the 
next month in order to buy your game.

Sincerely
Winston Doan


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
can bypass VAC.
Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try the
 game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
 100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

 Thank you,
 Alec Sanger
 P: 248.941.3813
 F: 313.286.8945



 From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
 Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)


 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
 game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for
 $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with
 my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills,
 and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave
 me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
 some good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
 to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
 crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
 taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become
 far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can
 spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread GM Chicken

But what you are saying is that you would never have bought the game unless
the pirated server was shut down.

Way to win an argument. I congratulate you and your fellow muppets.

Merry Christmas.

GM Chicken.

- Original Message - 
From: Siddhartha Gandhi siddharthagandhi...@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)


I want to say that anyone suggesting that cracking your server does not
push
 people to buy the legit version of the game is ridiculous.

 Let me tell you the story of myself, and over 200 other TF2 players. Back
 in
 the months January - June a cracked server called Onan's Disciples was
 started. It turned out to be one of the biggest American servers, having a
 consistent 32 players for much of the day. When the server was shut down
 and
 replaced by a legit server, almost all of us bought the game on Steam.
 Just
 about everyone who was a regular on that server now owns the game legit,
 and
 the vast majority of them originated as pirates.

 That server achieved two things:

 a) People bought the game who, if they hadn't gotten the cracked version
 of
 the game, probably wouldn't have.

 b) It created a community that lasted even when the server went legit.

 Sure, that server allowed people to illegally play the game, some of whom
 never went out and bought it (more often than not, because they didn't
 have
 the ability to buy it), but if that server did not exist, would the ones
 who
 did buy it have bought the game? The answer is no.

 I'm not justifying piracy, I don't think anyone is, but before you censure
 this man consider that piracy doesn't always lead to lost sales.
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Siddhartha Gandhi

I'm not going to deny that there are some people like that. But taken in the
context from things, no, that's not the case. About half of the people
switched to legit after the server went legit, the other half bought the
game *even though* the server was cracked.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
  Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try
 the
  game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
  100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?
 
  Thank you,
  Alec Sanger
  P: 248.941.3813
  F: 313.286.8945
 
 
 
  From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
  Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
 
  Hello.
 
  I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
  Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
  would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
  game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game
 for
  $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along
 with
  my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying
 bills,
  and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.
 
  The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
  people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It
 gave
  me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
  some good people.
 
  Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
  to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
  crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
  taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have
 become
  far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I
 can
  spare over the next month in order to buy your game.
 
  Sincerely
  Winston Doan
 
 
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Kitteny Berk

I'm not sure where to start,  but how the shuddering fuck is valve a 
dictatorship? 

They're a company, it's just not possible for them to be a dictatorship, 
no way, no how.  you're talking complete and utter shit now.


Justin wrote:
 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

   
 Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try the
 game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
 100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

 Thank you,
 Alec Sanger
 P: 248.941.3813
 F: 313.286.8945



 From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
 Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)


 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
 game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for
 $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with
 my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills,
 and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave
 me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
 some good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
 to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
 crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
 taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become
 far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can
 spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Software Piracy is exactly like Masturbation.

Everybody does it, but no one wants to admit it. And people love to ridicule 
those who admit it, even though it's something all of you are doing regularly.

Welcome to the internet - where masturbaters and software pirates are its 2 
biggest audiences, with online gaming being a VERY distant 3rd.

Move on.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:03 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
can bypass VAC.
Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try the
 game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
 100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

 Thank you,
 Alec Sanger
 P: 248.941.3813
 F: 313.286.8945



 From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
 Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)


 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
 game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for
 $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with
 my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills,
 and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave
 me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
 some good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
 to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
 crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
 taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become
 far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can
 spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Your point is flawed one is illegal and one is not.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote:

 Software Piracy is exactly like Masturbation.

 Everybody does it, but no one wants to admit it. And people love to
 ridicule those who admit it, even though it's something all of you are doing
 regularly.

 Welcome to the internet - where masturbaters and software pirates are its 2
 biggest audiences, with online gaming being a VERY distant 3rd.

 Move on.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:03 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
  Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try
 the
  game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
  100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?
 
  Thank you,
  Alec Sanger
  P: 248.941.3813
  F: 313.286.8945
 
 
 
  From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
  Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
 
  Hello.
 
  I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
  Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
  would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
  game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game
 for
  $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along
 with
  my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying
 bills,
  and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.
 
  The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
  people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It
 gave
  me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
  some good people.
 
  Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
  to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
  crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
  taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have
 become
  far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I
 can
  spare over the next month in order to buy your game.
 
  Sincerely
  Winston Doan
 
 
  _
  Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
 
 
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread tgnwells

You can masturbate on the internet?

Karl Weckstrom wrote:
 Software Piracy is exactly like Masturbation.

 Everybody does it, but no one wants to admit it. And people love to ridicule 
 those who admit it, even though it's something all of you are doing regularly.

 Welcome to the internet - where masturbaters and software pirates are its 2 
 biggest audiences, with online gaming being a VERY distant 3rd.

 Move on.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:03 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

   
 Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try the
 game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
 100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

 Thank you,
 Alec Sanger
 P: 248.941.3813
 F: 313.286.8945



 From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
 Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)


 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
 game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for
 $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with
 my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills,
 and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave
 me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
 some good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
 to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
 crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
 taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become
 far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can
 spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Patrick Shelley

Do you masturbate Karl?

On 12/21/08, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote:

 Software Piracy is exactly like Masturbation.

 Everybody does it, but no one wants to admit it. And people love to
 ridicule those who admit it, even though it's something all of you are doing
 regularly.

 Welcome to the internet - where masturbaters and software pirates are its 2
 biggest audiences, with online gaming being a VERY distant 3rd.

 Move on.


 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:03 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
  Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try
 the
  game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
  100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?
 
  Thank you,
  Alec Sanger
  P: 248.941.3813
  F: 313.286.8945
 
 
 
  From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
  Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
 
  Hello.
 
  I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
  Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
  would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
  game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game
 for
  $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along
 with
  my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying
 bills,
  and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.
 
  The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
  people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It
 gave
  me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
  some good people.
 
  Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
  to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
  crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
  taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have
 become
  far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I
 can
  spare over the next month in order to buy your game.
 
  Sincerely
  Winston Doan
 
 
  _
  Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
 
 
 http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Midnight

nicely pwned!!
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Kveri

haha, gj :D

Kveri

Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald  wrote / napísal(a):
 I was trying to figure out what was going on here.

 I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled 
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP 
 may be.

 I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
 (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick* 
 [UPDATE NOV 12])

 Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a comment 
 in this TF2 related video.

 Mysterious indeed!

 Your YouTube profile I suspect (http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) 
 also has some TF2 videos as favorites so from this point on, I will assume it 
 is your profile.

 mysteriousjustin
 Joined: June 17, 2008
 Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
 Videos Watched: 11,298
 Subscribers: 10
 Channel Views: 541
 Name: justin 

 Country: United States  
 Schools: Mainland highschool 
 Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography. 
 Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows. 
 Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk. 
 Books: None

 I also found this:

 Quote
 (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015 
 (Source: 
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html)
  

 I found the same thing in another youtube video... 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg

 mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come 
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
 The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.

 I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't help 
 but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.


 hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
 version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure  
 udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
 map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
 players : 4 (24 max)

 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
 # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
 # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
 # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
 # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active

 Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum 
 (http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just so 
 happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!

 They have a thread discussing this very issue: 
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef

 I think I'm finished here.

 So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a pirate 
 server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have 
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't work.

 Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.

 Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's 
 only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.

 Mystery solved, thanks to Google!

 Have a nice day!

 - Spencer

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

The catholics disagree with you :)

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:25 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Your point is flawed one is illegal and one is not.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote:

 Software Piracy is exactly like Masturbation.

 Everybody does it, but no one wants to admit it. And people love to
 ridicule those who admit it, even though it's something all of you are doing
 regularly.

 Welcome to the internet - where masturbaters and software pirates are its 2
 biggest audiences, with online gaming being a VERY distant 3rd.

 Move on.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:03 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try
 the
  game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
  100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

  Thank you,
  Alec Sanger
  P: 248.941.3813
  F: 313.286.8945

  From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
  Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)

  Hello.

  I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
  Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
  would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
  game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game
 for
  $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along
 with
  my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying
 bills,
  and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

  The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
  people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It
 gave
  me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
  some good people.

  Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
  to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
  crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
  taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have
 become
  far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I
 can
  spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

  Sincerely
  Winston Doan

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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Like a crazed chimp, when the wife and kids arent around :)

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:27 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Do you masturbate Karl?

On 12/21/08, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote:

 Software Piracy is exactly like Masturbation.

 Everybody does it, but no one wants to admit it. And people love to
 ridicule those who admit it, even though it's something all of you are doing
 regularly.

 Welcome to the internet - where masturbaters and software pirates are its 2
 biggest audiences, with online gaming being a VERY distant 3rd.

 Move on.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:03 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try
 the
  game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
  100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

  Thank you,
  Alec Sanger
  P: 248.941.3813
  F: 313.286.8945

  From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
  Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)

  Hello.

  I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
  Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
  would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
  game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game
 for
  $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along
 with
  my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying
 bills,
  and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

  The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
  people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It
 gave
  me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
  some good people.

  Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
  to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
  crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
  taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have
 become
  far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I
 can
  spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

  Sincerely
  Winston Doan

  _
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Olly

Valve is a dictatorship because they ask for money for the product they
produce, and you use?


2008/12/21 Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com

 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
  Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try
 the
  game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
  100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?
 
  Thank you,
  Alec Sanger
  P: 248.941.3813
  F: 313.286.8945
 
 
 
  From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
  Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
 
  Hello.
 
  I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
  Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
  would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
  game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game
 for
  $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along
 with
  my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying
 bills,
  and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.
 
  The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
  people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It
 gave
  me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
  some good people.
 
  Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
  to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
  crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
  taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have
 become
  far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I
 can
  spare over the next month in order to buy your game.
 
  Sincerely
  Winston Doan
 
 
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Steve

You're a dictatorship!

Justin wrote:
 Alright, I don't even believe this that nobody on here has even pirated
 software for any reason. I'm sure most of you have pirated something and
 still have it on your computer, honestly shut up about costing valve money
 because they get a lot of money just because of noob hackers who think they
 can bypass VAC.
 Im tired of the dictatorship that valve has become.

 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote:

   
 Why not just use the multiple free weekends that valve gives you to try the
 game out? That's what it's for and it's not illegal. Hell, several 3 day
 100% free sessions should be sufficient, don't you think?

 Thank you,
 Alec Sanger
 P: 248.941.3813
 F: 313.286.8945



 From: asina_pr...@hotmail.com
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:00:12 -0500
 Subject: [hlds]  New crash exploit?(TF2)


 Hello.

 I'm emailing you today because of a cracked server for your game, Team
 Fortress 2. It isn't anything bad, far from, I just wanted to say that I
 would like to thank you for allowing someone who can't really afford the
 game just yet to be able to play it. Yes, I know, I can't afford a game for
 $20 with tax. But with the economy of Canada and the USA failing, along with
 my family hitting some hard times, most of my paycheck goes to paying bills,
 and the rest of it goes to paying for groceries.

 The server I was playing on, Pwndora's Box, was a cracked one, allowing
 people without the actual game, to test your game out and play it. It gave
 me a chance to just kick back and forget the issues at hand and play with
 some good people.

 Though due to the possible crash exploit, that is no longer viable for me
 to do anymore, seeing as the server had to go down due to the constant
 crashing of some random occurance of someone or something logging on and
 taking down the server. It is due to this, and the fact that I have become
 far to used to playing your games, I shall be saving up all the money I can
 spare over the next month in order to buy your game.

 Sincerely
 Winston Doan


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-20 Thread Steve Stifler

Look, he broke the rules...  He broke the law  It seems to be human
nature and 99% of us do it in one form or another. He ran a cracked server
and promoted software piracy. For the rest of us it could be speeding,
running a stop light or lifting something from work. We can get away with it
so we do it. Get over it and move on. This thread is going nowhere and
harassing him (also against the law) will get us nowhere.

Please, stop the posts and the thread...

On 12/20/08, Olly oli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Valve is a dictatorship because they ask for money for the product they
 produce, and you use?



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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

hear hear :)

I'm a paying customer and I approve this message.

But there was NO way I was buying Spore :)

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Steve Stifler
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:52 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Look, he broke the rules...  He broke the law  It seems to be human
nature and 99% of us do it in one form or another. He ran a cracked server
and promoted software piracy. For the rest of us it could be speeding,
running a stop light or lifting something from work. We can get away with it
so we do it. Get over it and move on. This thread is going nowhere and
harassing him (also against the law) will get us nowhere.

Please, stop the posts and the thread...

On 12/20/08, Olly oli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Valve is a dictatorship because they ask for money for the product they
 produce, and you use?



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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald

I was trying to figure out what was going on here.

I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled your 
alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP may be.

I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
(How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick* 
[UPDATE NOV 12])

Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a comment in 
this TF2 related video.

Mysterious indeed!

Your YouTube profile I suspect (http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) 
also has some TF2 videos as favorites so from this point on, I will assume it 
is your profile.

mysteriousjustin
Joined: June 17, 2008
Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
Videos Watched: 11,298
Subscribers: 10
Channel Views: 541
Name: justin 

Country: United States  
Schools: Mainland highschool 
Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography. 
Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows. 
Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk. 
Books: None

I also found this:

Quote
(1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015 
(Source: 
http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html)
 

I found the same thing in another youtube video... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg

mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come play 
TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.

I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't help 
but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.


hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure  
udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
players : 4 (24 max)

# userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
# 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
# 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
# 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
# 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active

Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum 
(http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just so 
happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!

They have a thread discussing this very issue: 
http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef

I think I'm finished here.

So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a pirate 
server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have 
screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't work.

Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.

Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's only 
$9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.

Mystery solved, thanks to Google!

Have a nice day!

- Spencer

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
after a player with a blank name joins.
The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip are
not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Patrick Shelley

BUSTED !!!
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Im removing the crack asap. ty..

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald 
voo...@voogru.com wrote:

 I was trying to figure out what was going on here.

 I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP
 may be.

 I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
 (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick*
 [UPDATE NOV 12])

 Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a
 comment in this TF2 related video.

 Mysterious indeed!

 Your YouTube profile I suspect (
 http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) also has some TF2 videos as
 favorites so from this point on, I will assume it is your profile.

 mysteriousjustin
 Joined: June 17, 2008
 Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
 Videos Watched: 11,298
 Subscribers: 10
 Channel Views: 541
 Name: justin

 Country: United States
 Schools: Mainland highschool
 Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography.
 Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows.
 Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk.
 Books: None

 I also found this:

 Quote
 (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @
 66.135.40.26:27015 (Source:
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html
 )


 I found the same thing in another youtube video...
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg

 mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
 The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.

 I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't
 help but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.


 hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
 version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure
 udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
 map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
 players : 4 (24 max)

 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
 # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
 # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
 # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
 # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active

 Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum (
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just
 so happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!

 They have a thread discussing this very issue:
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef

 I think I'm finished here.

 So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a
 pirate server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't
 work.

 Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.

 Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's
 only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.

 Mystery solved, thanks to Google!

 Have a nice day!

 - Spencer

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip
 are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Formologic23

What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF CHARGE to
run.


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Olly

Good work Spencer, you just made my day!

2008/12/19 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com

 I was trying to figure out what was going on here.

 I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP
 may be.

 I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
 (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick*
 [UPDATE NOV 12])

 Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a
 comment in this TF2 related video.

 Mysterious indeed!

 Your YouTube profile I suspect (
 http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) also has some TF2 videos as
 favorites so from this point on, I will assume it is your profile.

 mysteriousjustin
 Joined: June 17, 2008
 Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
 Videos Watched: 11,298
 Subscribers: 10
 Channel Views: 541
 Name: justin

 Country: United States
 Schools: Mainland highschool
 Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography.
 Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows.
 Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk.
 Books: None

 I also found this:

 Quote
 (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @
 66.135.40.26:27015 (Source:
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html
 )


 I found the same thing in another youtube video...
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg

 mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
 The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.

 I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't
 help but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.


 hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
 version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure
 udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
 map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
 players : 4 (24 max)

 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
 # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
 # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
 # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
 # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active

 Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum (
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just
 so happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!

 They have a thread discussing this very issue:
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef

 I think I'm finished here.

 So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a
 pirate server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't
 work.

 Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.

 Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's
 only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.

 Mystery solved, thanks to Google!

 Have a nice day!

 - Spencer

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip
 are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald

Yes, but you must apply a crack to break the authentication if you wish to
allow people with pirated clients to connect to the server.

- Spencer.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Formologic23
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:15 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF CHARGE to
run.


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

This is the best thing I have ever read.

If you find this justin guy's Steam ID, let me know so I can ban it
ASAP.

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 18:56 -0500, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
 I was trying to figure out what was going on here.
 
 I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled 
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP 
 may be.
 
 I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
 (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick* 
 [UPDATE NOV 12])
 
 Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a comment 
 in this TF2 related video.
 
 Mysterious indeed!
 
 Your YouTube profile I suspect (http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) 
 also has some TF2 videos as favorites so from this point on, I will assume it 
 is your profile.
 
 mysteriousjustin
 Joined: June 17, 2008
 Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
 Videos Watched: 11,298
 Subscribers: 10
 Channel Views: 541
 Name: justin 
 
 Country: United States  
 Schools: Mainland highschool 
 Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography. 
 Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows. 
 Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk. 
 Books: None
 
 I also found this:
 
 Quote
 (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015 
 (Source: 
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html)
  
 
 I found the same thing in another youtube video... 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg
 
 mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come 
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
 The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.
 
 I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't help 
 but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.
 
 
 hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
 version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure  
 udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
 map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
 players : 4 (24 max)
 
 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
 # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
 # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
 # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
 # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active
 
 Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum 
 (http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just so 
 happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!
 
 They have a thread discussing this very issue: 
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef
 
 I think I'm finished here.
 
 So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a pirate 
 server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have 
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't work.
 
 Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.
 
 Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's 
 only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.
 
 Mystery solved, thanks to Google!
 
 Have a nice day!
 
 - Spencer
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Yatin Vadhia

This is brilliant, although I have the uncanny feeling that I may have  
played on this server without realizing it.

Sorry for the noob question, but would this type of server come up in  
the server browser?

Regards

Yatin

On 20 Dec 2008, at 00:20, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com 
  wrote:

 Yes, but you must apply a crack to break the authentication if you  
 wish to
 allow people with pirated clients to connect to the server.

 - Spencer.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Formologic23
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:15 PM
 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF  
 CHARGE to
 run.


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Formologic23

I thought about that before I re-read everything, but it was too late to not
send that reply.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
MacDonald
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:21 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Yes, but you must apply a crack to break the authentication if you wish to
allow people with pirated clients to connect to the server.

- Spencer.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Formologic23
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:15 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF CHARGE to
run.


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Formologic23

I hope your Steam account gets removed, as I am sure it's against the SSA.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:09 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Im removing the crack asap. ty..

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald 
voo...@voogru.com wrote:

 I was trying to figure out what was going on here.

 I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP
 may be.

 I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
 (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick*
 [UPDATE NOV 12])

 Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a
 comment in this TF2 related video.

 Mysterious indeed!

 Your YouTube profile I suspect (
 http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) also has some TF2 videos as
 favorites so from this point on, I will assume it is your profile.

 mysteriousjustin
 Joined: June 17, 2008
 Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
 Videos Watched: 11,298
 Subscribers: 10
 Channel Views: 541
 Name: justin

 Country: United States
 Schools: Mainland highschool
 Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography.
 Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows.
 Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk.
 Books: None

 I also found this:

 Quote
 (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @
 66.135.40.26:27015 (Source:
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html
 )

 I found the same thing in another youtube video...
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg

 mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
 The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.

 I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't
 help but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.

 hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
 version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure
 udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
 map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
 players : 4 (24 max)

 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
 # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
 # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
 # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
 # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active

 Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum (
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just
 so happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!

 They have a thread discussing this very issue:
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef

 I think I'm finished here.

 So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a
 pirate server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't
 work.

 Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.

 Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's
 only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.

 Mystery solved, thanks to Google!

 Have a nice day!

 - Spencer

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip
 are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald

Yes, it does. It's also possible for legitimate accounts to connect to it.

In order to 100% be sure it's pirate (because I would normally have a STEAM
ID), I have log on to steam in another location. Connecting to a legitimate
server knocks you off with Steam account already in use in another
location, where as a pirate server will accept the connection and hit you
up with a fake STEAM ID.

Which will be either,

Steam_Id_Cracked
STEAM_0:0:0
STEAM_666:88:666 (or something in that form)
Or possibly in the future, an ID that may not be your real STEAM ID.

I had to confirm it with his server before I said anything, even though all
of his posts on the internet's were pretty incriminating.

- Spencer

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yatin Vadhia
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:35 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

This is brilliant, although I have the uncanny feeling that I may have  
played on this server without realizing it.

Sorry for the noob question, but would this type of server come up in  
the server browser?

Regards

Yatin

On 20 Dec 2008, at 00:20, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com 
  wrote:

 Yes, but you must apply a crack to break the authentication if you  
 wish to
 allow people with pirated clients to connect to the server.

 - Spencer.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Formologic23
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:15 PM
 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF  
 CHARGE to
 run.


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread tgnwells

Okay how the hell did this get derailed into something so stupid? And in 
the first reply too, good job.

Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
 Yes, it does. It's also possible for legitimate accounts to connect to it.

 In order to 100% be sure it's pirate (because I would normally have a STEAM
 ID), I have log on to steam in another location. Connecting to a legitimate
 server knocks you off with Steam account already in use in another
 location, where as a pirate server will accept the connection and hit you
 up with a fake STEAM ID.

 Which will be either,

 Steam_Id_Cracked
 STEAM_0:0:0
 STEAM_666:88:666 (or something in that form)
 Or possibly in the future, an ID that may not be your real STEAM ID.

 I had to confirm it with his server before I said anything, even though all
 of his posts on the internet's were pretty incriminating.

 - Spencer

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yatin Vadhia
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:35 PM
 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 This is brilliant, although I have the uncanny feeling that I may have  
 played on this server without realizing it.

 Sorry for the noob question, but would this type of server come up in  
 the server browser?

 Regards

 Yatin

 On 20 Dec 2008, at 00:20, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com 
   wrote:

   
 Yes, but you must apply a crack to break the authentication if you  
 wish to
 allow people with pirated clients to connect to the server.

 - Spencer.

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Formologic23
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:15 PM
 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF  
 CHARGE to
 run.


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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

How did it get derailed? The problem with the server was that it is
pandering to filthy pirates who don't want to pay ten measly American
dollars for an excellent game. Problem solved.


On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 17:03 -0800, tgnwells wrote:
 Okay how the hell did this get derailed into something so stupid? And in 
 the first reply too, good job.
 
 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
  Yes, it does. It's also possible for legitimate accounts to connect to it.
 
  In order to 100% be sure it's pirate (because I would normally have a STEAM
  ID), I have log on to steam in another location. Connecting to a legitimate
  server knocks you off with Steam account already in use in another
  location, where as a pirate server will accept the connection and hit you
  up with a fake STEAM ID.
 
  Which will be either,
 
  Steam_Id_Cracked
  STEAM_0:0:0
  STEAM_666:88:666 (or something in that form)
  Or possibly in the future, an ID that may not be your real STEAM ID.
 
  I had to confirm it with his server before I said anything, even though all
  of his posts on the internet's were pretty incriminating.
 
  - Spencer
 
  -Original Message-
  From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
  [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Yatin Vadhia
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:35 PM
  To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
  Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
  This is brilliant, although I have the uncanny feeling that I may have  
  played on this server without realizing it.
 
  Sorry for the noob question, but would this type of server come up in  
  the server browser?
 
  Regards
 
  Yatin
 
  On 20 Dec 2008, at 00:20, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com 
wrote:
 

  Yes, but you must apply a crack to break the authentication if you  
  wish to
  allow people with pirated clients to connect to the server.
 
  - Spencer.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
  [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Formologic23
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:15 PM
  To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
  Subject: Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
  What I don't understand Justin, is that TF2 servers are FREE OF  
  CHARGE to
  run.
 
 
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

That made my evening.

Thanks. :D

Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
 I was trying to figure out what was going on here.

 I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled 
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP 
 may be.

 I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
 (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick* 
 [UPDATE NOV 12])

 Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a comment 
 in this TF2 related video.

 Mysterious indeed!

 Your YouTube profile I suspect (http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) 
 also has some TF2 videos as favorites so from this point on, I will assume it 
 is your profile.

 mysteriousjustin
 Joined: June 17, 2008
 Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
 Videos Watched: 11,298
 Subscribers: 10
 Channel Views: 541
 Name: justin 

 Country: United States  
 Schools: Mainland highschool 
 Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography. 
 Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows. 
 Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk. 
 Books: None

 I also found this:

 Quote
 (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015 
 (Source: 
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html)
  

 I found the same thing in another youtube video... 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg

 mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come 
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
 The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.

 I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't help 
 but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.


 hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
 version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure  
 udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
 map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
 players : 4 (24 max)

 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
 # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
 # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
 # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
 # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active

 Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum 
 (http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just so 
 happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!

 They have a thread discussing this very issue: 
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef

 I think I'm finished here.

 So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a pirate 
 server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have 
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't work.

 Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.

 Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2, it's 
 only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.

 Mystery solved, thanks to Google!

 Have a nice day!

 - Spencer

 -Original Message-
 From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
 [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
 Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

2008-12-19 Thread Arg!

Ahh the internet detectives strike again.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote:

 That made my evening.

 Thanks. :D

 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
  I was trying to figure out what was going on here.
 
  I noticed that you didn't mention your server so I went ahead and googled
 your alias (mysteriousjustin) to see if I could find out what your server IP
 may be.
 
  I found comments you seem to have wrote on this page:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqbr4eV-Eg
  (How to use Unlocked Weapons in TF2 with NoSteam *Not Gamestat.txt Trick*
 [UPDATE NOV 12])
 
  Someone with the name mysteriousjustin just so happened to write a
 comment in this TF2 related video.
 
  Mysterious indeed!
 
  Your YouTube profile I suspect (
 http://www.youtube.com/user/mysteriousjustin) also has some TF2 videos as
 favorites so from this point on, I will assume it is your profile.
 
  mysteriousjustin
  Joined: June 17, 2008
  Last Sign In: 1 hour ago
  Videos Watched: 11,298
  Subscribers: 10
  Channel Views: 541
  Name: justin
 
  Country: United States
  Schools: Mainland highschool
  Interests and Hobbies: Computers, Programming, networking, Videography.
  Movies and Shows: Myth Busters, other discovery shows.
  Music: Pinkfloyd, ColdPlay, U2, Daft Punk.
  Books: None
 
  I also found this:
 
  Quote
  (1 week ago by mysteriousjustin) Come play TF2 cracked @
 66.135.40.26:27015 (Source:
 http://xn--nxaglql2a.tk/video/tbZGfPv6TYA/crack-steampacsteampacsteamt.html
 )
 
 
  I found the same thing in another youtube video...
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8ej30Xftg
 
  mysteriousjustin (3 weeks ago) Show Hide  -3   Marked as spam Reply Come
 play TF2 cracked @ 66.135.40.26:27015
  The only english/usa cracked tf2 server.
 
  I decided that I would connect to the server to investigate, I couldn't
 help but notice that I had an illegal (and impossible) STEAM ID.
 
 
  hostname: Pwndora's Box - Custom Maps - Fast DL - Radio
  version : 1.0.4.4/14 3686 secure
  udp/ip  :  66.135.40.26:27015
  map : ctf_convoy_v2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
  players : 4 (24 max)
 
  # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
  # 43 Mr. Plow STEAM_0:0:0 02:30 88 0 active -
  # 44 Masterlaserd STEAM_0:1:18753477 01:09 242 75 active
  # 41 Pb l snipe_ur_face56 STEAM_0:0:14230854 09:40 113 0 active
  # 40 [NSHB]243 STEAM_0:0:18903256 09:42 98 0 active
 
  Reading the website in the MOTD of this server I found a forum (
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/), and someone with the name mystery just
 so happens to have the same exact problem as you, just today to boot!
 
  They have a thread discussing this very issue:
 http://pwndorasbox.net/fourm/viewtopic.php?f=4t=30sid=6ff91a53dd20622c6ef01e7c94b7f9ef
 
  I think I'm finished here.
 
  So, with all of that said, I think you should probably stop running a
 pirate server. As that very well could be the cause of your problems. I have
 screenshotted everything FYI, so if you try to cover it all up, it won't
 work.
 
  Pirates are not eligible for support I don't think.
 
  Happy 15th birthday, ask your parents to buy you a legal copy of TF2,
 it's only $9.99 now. They'll be thrilled.
 
  Mystery solved, thanks to Google!
 
  Have a nice day!
 
  - Spencer
 
  -Original Message-
  From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
 hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Justin
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:16 PM
  To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
  Subject: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)
 
  I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
  after a player with a blank name joins.
  The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip
 are
  not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
  trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres your slap
on the wrist?)
honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
plugin or take it off your server altogether.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing cvar
 exploits a while ago.

 Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here too?
 Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie (the last
 part is confirmed).

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
  after a player with a blank name joins.
  The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip
  are
  not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
  trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
counts, but maybe that's just me.


On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
 Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres your slap
 on the wrist?)
 honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
 plugin or take it off your server altogether.
 
 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing cvar
  exploits a while ago.
 
  Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here too?
  Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie (the last
  part is confirmed).
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps crashing
   after a player with a blank name joins.
   The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the ip
   are
   not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's really
   trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic onto a
server.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote:

 Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
 counts, but maybe that's just me.


 On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
  Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres your
 slap
  on the wrist?)
  honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
  plugin or take it off your server altogether.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing cvar
   exploits a while ago.
  
   Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here too?
   Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie (the
 last
   part is confirmed).
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
 crashing
after a player with a blank name joins.
The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the
 ip
are
not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
 really
trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by supporting, 
condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.

Justin wrote:
 Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic onto a
 server.

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote:

   
 Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
 counts, but maybe that's just me.


 On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
 
 Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres your
   
 slap
 
 on the wrist?)
 honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
 plugin or take it off your server altogether.

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

   
 I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing cvar
 exploits a while ago.

 Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here too?
 Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie (the
 
 last
 
 part is confirmed).

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
   
 crashing
 
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the
   
 ip
 
 are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
   
 really
 
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

Just to clarify myself a little;

Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers and 
admins.

Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked 
servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community, the 
result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought the 
game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against this, 
but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got to 
love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as 
the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales for 
activision.


What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa cracked 
tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect cheating 
to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.

You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more 
sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing out 
at others who seem to run legit servers.

Kitteny Berk wrote:
 Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by supporting, 
 condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.

 Justin wrote:
   
 Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic onto a
 server.

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote:

   
 
 Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
 counts, but maybe that's just me.


 On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
 
   
 Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres your
   
 
 slap
 
   
 on the wrist?)
 honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
 plugin or take it off your server altogether.

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:

   
 
 I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing cvar
 exploits a while ago.

 Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here too?
 Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie (the
 
   
 last
 
   
 part is confirmed).

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
   
 I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
   
 
 crashing
 
   
 after a player with a blank name joins.
 The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of the
   
 
 ip
 
   
 are
 not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
   
 
 really
 
   
 trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove the
crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't expect
this to happen..
it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote:

 Just to clarify myself a little;

 Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers and
 admins.

 Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
 servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community, the
 result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought the
 game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against this,
 but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got to
 love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
 the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales for
 activision.


 What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa cracked
 tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect cheating
 to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.

 You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
 sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing out
 at others who seem to run legit servers.

 Kitteny Berk wrote:
  Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by supporting,
  condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
 
  Justin wrote:
 
  Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic onto a
  server.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
  counts, but maybe that's just me.
 
 
  On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
 
 
  Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres
 your
 
 
  slap
 
 
  on the wrist?)
  honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
  plugin or take it off your server altogether.
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing
 cvar
  exploits a while ago.
 
  Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here
 too?
  Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie
 (the
 
 
  last
 
 
  part is confirmed).
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
 
  I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
 
 
  crashing
 
 
  after a player with a blank name joins.
  The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of
 the
 
 
  ip
 
 
  are
  not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
 
 
  really
 
 
  trying my patience
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Re: [hlds] New crash exploit?(TF2)

I only pirated once. Honest!


On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 22:39 -0500, Justin wrote:
 I got members who were cracked who bought the game, i wanted to remove the
 crack after my friend who got the game for christmas but i didn't expect
 this to happen..
 it does not matter its all screwed up and over with.
 
 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote:
 
  Just to clarify myself a little;
 
  Cracked servers are always going to be a touchy subject among gamers and
  admins.
 
  Personally, I'm not *completely* against running /*private*/ cracked
  servers, I ran one for CoD4 for 2 weeks at release for my community, the
  result was that 25 people from my community who wouldn't have bought the
  game ended up buying it.  (I know some people here will be against this,
  but the only affect it had on anyone was more sales as people had got to
  love the game bought it)  and that was a one off for my community, as
  the uptake was slow for such a fun game.  net result? 25 more sales for
  activision.
 
 
  What you're doing, advertising yourself as The only english/usa cracked
  tf2 server.   does nothing but encourage piracy, and I suspect cheating
  to some degree, which is bad for players and bad for valve.
 
  You're giving nothing back to valve, it's unlikely you've caused more
  sales by advertising your server as you have, and now you're lashing out
  at others who seem to run legit servers.
 
  Kitteny Berk wrote:
   Or, you could be fucking another business over (valve) by supporting,
   condoning, and advertising piracy,  You're nothing but a parasite.
  
   Justin wrote:
  
   Both could be used to do the same thing and that's to get traffic onto a
   server.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
   Personally I think supporting pirates is worse than spoofing player
   counts, but maybe that's just me.
  
  
   On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:42 -0500, Justin wrote:
  
  
   Yeah well its funny how you had cracked servers a while ago(wheres
  your
  
  
   slap
  
  
   on the wrist?)
   honestly stop being a player whore and remove your packet manipulation
   plugin or take it off your server altogether.
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  
   I believe a bunch of us banned you for using those server crashing
  cvar
   exploits a while ago.
  
   Infact didn't Nephyrin or someone else make a thread about it here
  too?
   Funny you'd ask for our help now. Get off my mailing list, fattie
  (the
  
  
   last
  
  
   part is confirmed).
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
  
   I don't know how its happening, but my windows tf2 server keeps
  
  
   crashing
  
  
   after a player with a blank name joins.
   The crash happens instantly after the player connects and logs of
  the
  
  
   ip
  
  
   are
   not made; I don't know what this player has against us but he's
  
  
   really
  
  
   trying my patience
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