Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock

2008-08-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Itschak Mugzach writes:
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM
mainframe power switch lock. I checked and there is no
such lock. I wonder how do you protect your mainframe
power switches other then access control to the computer
room.

IBM does have a solution (and this is not snark):

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/pso

Or possibly this:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/gdps

As other posters have noted, there's an important safety value to the big
red (covered) switch, and it could well be a legal or regulatory
requirement in your particular country. (I know electrical safety
regulations are quite stringent in many parts of the world.) Similar laws
and regulations in many jurisdictions understandably prohibit locking fire
escape doors, for example.

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Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock

2008-08-06 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Timoty, 

I don't think that the customer get it as n emergency power switch, but as a
physical risk. You are right about the regulations, they are applied here as
well. 

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Itschak Mugzach writes:
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power 
switch lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you 
protect your mainframe power switches other then access control to the 
computer room.

IBM does have a solution (and this is not snark):

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/pso

Or possibly this:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/gdps

As other posters have noted, there's an important safety value to the big
red (covered) switch, and it could well be a legal or regulatory
requirement in your particular country. (I know electrical safety
regulations are quite stringent in many parts of the world.) Similar laws
and regulations in many jurisdictions understandably prohibit locking fire
escape doors, for example.

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Re: STOPX37 SMS loop

2008-08-06 Thread Z1
Everything is working as designed. SPACPRIM is reducing the primary
allocation and re-driving the allocation request. I think STOPX37 has
parameters that say something along the lines reduce it by 10% to a minimum
of 20%. The primary space can be satisfied with the largest 5 extents on one
volume. I suspect CONNECT:Direct is then repeating the whole process in
attempt to create the file.

You need to increase the space available in the storage group by adding
volumes or by running DEFRAGs.

Are your ACS routines over riding the STORCLAS, MGMTCLAS and DATACLAS
supplied by the application/user? If not you may be allowing them to shoot
themselves in the foot.

Tony.

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a little confusion of XMS

2008-08-06 Thread Johnny Ying
Hello all:

After reading up on Extended Addressability Guide ,I am confused on 
ASN resue issue. According to the book,if address space owns a spaces 
switch ET and connect it to the system lx,then this address space's ASID is 
not reusable for the duration of IPL. This is because other address space 
could pass control to code running in the address space that reused this 
ASID.My question is: 
1. Before service provider(owner of ET) termination, the ET was usually 
destroyed(ETDES PURGE=YES), How could the other address space pass 
control to PC running in the address space which reused the service provider's 
ASID. How could this happen?
2. does ASN-reuse-facility have something to do with it,how the ASN-
reuse-facility  remedy the potential system integrality problem.
I searched for a couple days but can't find more information,so could you 
please explain more details for me. thanks
  
 

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Re: NFS Windows.XP

2008-08-06 Thread Dave Cartwright
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:52:15 -0500, Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

any examples someone may have on the commands issued fro z/os to
Windows-XP to mount a file..or from Windows to z/OS...running z/os1.9


Ron,
I looked up my JCL library and found this example from April 2005.  I only ever 
used the ZOS NFS Client, not Server, so this will apply to that;

//STEP01  EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01  
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*  
//SYSTSPRT DD  SYSOUT=*  
//SYSTSIN  DD  * 
 PROFILE NOPREFIX
 mount filesystem('d') mountpoint('/u/PCST2828') type(NFS) + 
  parm('10.1.111.117:/d') wait
/*

PCST2828 was the Stock Number of my old company PC.
As far as I remember it worked, hope it gives you some pointers. 
Dave
   

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Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock

2008-08-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
I understand.

This question may be one of those occasions requiring some careful but
simple explanation. Ultimately any customer is free to disregard your good
advice and take responsibility for whatever they do. But if the law or a
regulation (such as a fire code) says there has to be a single physical
big red switch on any piece of electrical equipment above a certain
voltage (not only mainframes), and it has to be human accessible at all
times, at least for anyone in the room, then your hands are tied, and
properly so I think.

I was serious about Parallel Sysplex here. There is a very small but
non-zero risk that someone could cut the power using the switch if there is
any human (or creature?) physical access to the room housing the machine.
But there are other potential risks as well. You name it, it has probably
happened. Somebody could spill a big bucket of cleaning solution on the
machine. (The machine would do its best to live on, but it depends on how
fluid, how reactive, how voluminous, and how well aimed that bucket
is. :-)) A water sprinkler system could trigger accidentally, an army or
police could march in and seize the equipment (yes, that one has happened),
the floor could collapse, some other piece of equipment could catch fire,
the data center could burn to the ground, a tornado could strike, a vehicle
could collide with the machine, there could be a nearby gas leak, etc.,
etc.

So inadvertantly hitting the big red switch is one item on a very long list
of hopefully unlikely but non-zero risks. Except the big red switch is
there to mitigate even bigger risks, at least in the eyes of the fire code.

Parallel Sysplex (and GDPS), properly implemented and well managed, neatly
mitigate myriad risks. They're good options if this is a big enough concern
to your customer. Then they'd have to inadvertantly hit two big red
switches, meters or even kilometers apart. It'd take someone with
exceptionally long arm reach to do that. :-)

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Migrate with undefined DSORG

2008-08-06 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's 
with DSORG=NONE

(In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed )

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z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Walter Marguccio
Hello list,

from the z/OS 1.10 Migration Guide, summary of changes:

Approximately 90 migration actions were deleted because they applied
to migrations from z/OS V1R7, and that release is not supported for migration 
to z/OS V1R10.

Having still z/OS 1.7,  I was not amused to read that sentence.  
I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the 
list can explain why IBM 
did change that ??

TIA.

 Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
Munich - Germany



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AW: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Faber, Hermann
Having still z/OS 1.7,  I was not amused to read that sentence.
I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the 
list can explain why IBM
did change that ??

Walter,

According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release.
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html

Hermann

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Re: PARM problem - HELP

2008-08-06 Thread Chris Mason
John

Not understanding why you still have a problem after all the suggestions you 
have had!

Here is the precise solution for you according to the reference given by Bob 
Rutledge.

 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456
78901234567890

// PARM='SH echo sftp -b /u/bpxbatch/mccheckftpfis-depot-test.ucdavis.e
// du |su -s bpxbtch'

When I positioned your example I see you had somehow taken on board the 
idea that the continuation of the text on the second card image might need 
to start in column 16.

Here is the example from Bob's reference for comparison with the solution:

 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456
78901234567890

//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14,PARM=(PARM1,'/DIR1/DIR2
//  /DIR3/DIR4/DIR5/DIR6/DIR7/DIR8/DIR9/DIR10/DIR11/DIR12/DI
//  R13/FILENM')

Ha!, now I position it under the column template I see the manual is wrong!

It should be - according to the text and in some sort of conformance with the 
ancient original rules of JCL - as follows:

 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456
78901234567890

//STEP1 EXECPGM=IEFBR14,PARM=(PARM1,'/DIR1/DIR2
// /DIR3/DIR4/DIR5/DIR6/DIR7/DIR8/DIR9/DIR10/DIR11/DIR12/DI
// R13/FILENM')

I have repositioned all the text following EXEC on all three card images 
one position to the left.

10 marks for the author and 0 marks for the type-setter.

I went back in order to check the redbook example and whoever typed that 
up got the positioning correct.

You should make sure you read this post with a nonproportional font such 
as Courier New. You may need to copy and paste in something like Notepad 
and set the font with Format-Font.

Although it lacks readability, I believe that this is the simplest solution.

I hope you are now in a position (sic) to move on.

Chris Mason

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Lizette -

//  SET P1='abc/def/ghi  -sh'
//  SET P2='continue away'
//STEP1 EXEC  PGM=IEFBR14,PARM=(PARM1,'P1P1')

 not  understanding your  statement : PARM=(PARM1,'P1P2')
Where does PARM1 get defined?

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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Edward Jaffe

Walter Marguccio wrote:
I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the list can explain why IBM 
did change that ??
  


When z/OS switched to annual releases, the old N+3 coexistence rule, 
first implemented with OS/390, became much simpler: Any supported 
release will now coexist with any other supported release.


So, now the support and coexistence schedules are lined up with one 
another. One and the same.


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Re: JCL PROCEDURE QUESTION

2008-08-06 Thread Steven Conway
Howard, look in the PROC itself - just do a F IMAGE.  Because it's on 
your PROC statement, it must exist within the PROC. 


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I'm doing the following as shown below and receiving the following errors 
yet as far as I can see this should be o.k.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

2 //JST0010  EXEC PROC=SY065X, 
  // FUNCTION=OPERLOG, 
  // TYPE=CURRENT, 
  // ENV=E18823, 
  // TIMEOUT=360, 
  // IMAGE= 

3 XXSY065X  PROC ENV='NO-ENVIRONMENT-SPECIFIED', 
  XX FUNCTION='NO-FUNCTION-SPECIFIED',
  XX TIMEOUT='NO-TIME-OUT-SPECIFIED', 
  XX IMAGE='NONE' 


2 IEFC657I THE SYMBOL IMAGE WAS NOT USED



 

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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Walter Marguccio
- Original Message 

From: Faber, Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Walter,

 According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release.
 http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html

Hermann,

maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I could
migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration books, it 
seems I can't.

Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
Munich - Germany



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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Walter Marguccio
- Original Message 

From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release.

Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th, 
2008, 
it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ?

Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
Munich - Germany


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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Horne, Jim - James S
Walter,
You are correct; you cannot perform a supported migration from 1.7 to 1.10.  
Several years ago, IBM changed over to having three supported releases at any 
given time and only supporting upgrades on supported releases.  So, 1.7 goes 
out of support on September 20, 2008, when 1.10 becomes available and is not 
supported for direct migration to 1.10.

This has been discussed more than once on the list since IBM originally went to 
the current methodology so it should not have been a surprise.  I hate for you 
that it apparently is but the last N+3 supported migration I am aware of was 
z/OS 1.4 to 1.7.

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- Original Message 

From: Faber, Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Walter,

 According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release.
 http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html

Hermann,

maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I could
migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration books, it 
seems I can't.

Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
Munich - Germany



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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I 
could migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration 
books, it seems I can't.

No, you can't.
I guess you missed the memo.
When IBM changed to annual releases, they also changed the rule of co-existance.
It's now 'any supported release'.
1.7 goes out of support the same time 1.10 comes out.

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Re: JCL PROCEDURE QUESTION

2008-08-06 Thread carlos roberto visconde
Into proc SY065X there is no IMAGE

2008/8/5, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'm doing the following as shown below and receiving the following errors
 yet as far as I can see this should be o.k.

 Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 Thanks

 2 //JST0010  EXEC PROC=SY065X,
 // FUNCTION=OPERLOG,
 // TYPE=CURRENT,
 // ENV=E18823,
 // TIMEOUT=360,
 // IMAGE=

 3 XXSY065X  PROC ENV='NO-ENVIRONMENT-SPECIFIED',
 XX FUNCTION='NO-FUNCTION-SPECIFIED',
 XX TIMEOUT='NO-TIME-OUT-SPECIFIED',
 XX IMAGE='NONE'


 2 IEFC657I THE SYMBOL IMAGE WAS NOT USED





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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM


Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 - Original Message 
 
 From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported
release.
 
 Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September
30th, 2008, 
 it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ?
 
 Walter Marguccio

The new algorithme also means that the 'retention period' of your z/OS
was raised from 3 * 0.5 years to 2 * 1 year.

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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Walter Marguccio
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 No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo.

All right mates,

I must have missed that memo.
Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order z/OS 1.9 now.

 Walter Marguccio
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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper
 
 [ snip ]
 
 Reading something like this makes one wonder about the 
 veracity of all news reported.

I tend to question the competence and honesty of the quoted source(s)
rather than the reporter(s).  And if the source(s) are government (any
level), I almost automatically assume the quotes are outright lies.

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Don Leahy
 
 [ snip ]
 
 Here is a (paraphrased) excerpt from a document at a site that I know:
 
 The old system is written in several different programming 
 languages and runs on incompatible platforms and operating systems.
 
 This statement was slightly puzzling to those familiar with the old
 (early 1990s) system, which was 100% COBOL under IMS and DB2.  :-)

But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three
different programming languages.

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Re: NFS Windows.XP

2008-08-06 Thread Ron Wells
Thanks Dave---will give this a shot

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread Don Leahy
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Original Message-
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 [ snip ]

 Here is a (paraphrased) excerpt from a document at a site that I know:

 The old system is written in several different programming
 languages and runs on incompatible platforms and operating systems.

 This statement was slightly puzzling to those familiar with the old
 (early 1990s) system, which was 100% COBOL under IMS and DB2.  :-)

 But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three
 different programming languages.

-jc-

Yeah, and the old system uses JCL so you can add that to the list of
programming languages too.  :-)

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread Tom Harper
John,

It is true that California is in a bind, however, I hardly think that it
is appropriate for state employees to essentially make a loan to the
state government with the implied threat of if they don't, their jobs
may be terminated. This has happened many times before, with various
solutions, such as vouchers that some banks honored, etc.

Interestingly enough, welfare recipients still get their checks, as it's
mandated by law. However, the law is apparently not equal, as state
employees are required to be paid the average salary for their type of
position, which has clearly not been the case over the last several
decades.

Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
Neon Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX  

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 handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
 
 Ya know... It's crap and FUD like this that makes my blood boil!!!
 
 COBOL, an antique language, not taught anymore and difficult 
 to maintain.
 
 Where do I start?
 
 How about I offer to go in there, analyze the situation, come 
 up with a solution that would work with their existing 
 system, write it all myself and then charge them only a few 
 hundred grand?
 
 Idiots!

Where would they get the money to pay you? CA is apparently in a bind
right now.

I think that most of the CA state employees now love COBOL. I'd give
you a pay cut, but our computer system refuses! I found it very
amusing.

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread McKown, John
[snip]
  But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three
  different programming languages.
 
 -jc-
 
 Yeah, and the old system uses JCL so you can add that to the list of
 programming languages too.  :-)

Well, in a sense, JCL is a programming language. It is, supposedly,
human readable text which instructs a computer to perform a series of
actions. I guess it depends on the defination of programming language
vs. control language.

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread McKown, John
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 handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
 
 John,
 
 It is true that California is in a bind, however, I hardly 
 think that it
 is appropriate for state employees to essentially make a loan to the
 state government with the implied threat of if they don't, their jobs
 may be terminated. This has happened many times before, with various
 solutions, such as vouchers that some banks honored, etc.

I worked for Braniff Airways back in the early '80s. Just before it went
bankrupt for the first time. All employees there were told something
like: 10% of your salary is going to be taken into a fund. If the
company becomes profitable again, you will get this back. I.e. we got a
10% pay cut, but not stated as a pay cut. And we still paid income taxes
on that 10% which we never saw again.

 
 Interestingly enough, welfare recipients still get their 
 checks, as it's
 mandated by law. However, the law is apparently not equal, as state
 employees are required to be paid the average salary for their type of
 position, which has clearly not been the case over the last several
 decades.
 
 Tom Harper


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Re: STOPX37 SMS loop

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:41:33 -0400, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Contact BMC for assistance.  If you are willing to forego STOPX37
assistance entirely in CONNECT:Direct add this DD to whatever address
space is doing the allocation.

//X37IGNDD DUMMY   THIS TURNS OFF STOP X-37


Agree.   But note that X37IGN is a name defined locally (I have no idea if 
this is the default or not) so it may not be the same for the OP.

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread Edward Jaffe

McKown, John wrote:

Where would they get the money to pay you? CA is apparently in a bind
right now.
  


The State of CA has had a 39% revenue *increase* since Arnold took 
office. How could they be in a bind? They spend money like drunken 
sailors. Even less responsibly. At least drunken sailors are spending 
their *own* money! :o


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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Edward Jaffe

Walter Marguccio wrote:

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Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release.



Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th, 2008, 
it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ?
  


Correct. They don't count the four days of overlap.

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Re: Can't read newly created procedure

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:01:49 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe your proclib has gone into extents?

It has nothing to do with extents, in my understanding.

It could.  But JES2 detects that via I/O error and closes / reopens the 
concatenation for all converter tasks. 

To the OP:  As someone already suggested, check the archives.  This has
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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:19:51 -0700, Walter Marguccio
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From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo.

All right mates,

I must have missed that memo.
Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order z/OS 1.9 now.


I have no idea what your environment is like, but if it isn't a sysplex,
you still may want to make the jump from 1.7 directly to 1.10.  But if
you can't, make sure you order 1.9 by October 27th 2008.

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Re: NOMAIL Option in TSO/E

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Kline
You can find the nomail flag in the LWA. TSO General Info indicates the LWA 
would be formatted by the IPCS VERBX TSODATA command, but I don't see it 
there. ASXBLWA (offset +14x) points to the LWA. ASCBASXB (offset +6Cx) 
points to the ASXB.  

You can use the LOGON command from a TSO prompt screen to set the 
mail/nomail option:

  LOGON userid MAIL

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California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread john gilmore
I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
 
From this morning's New York Times:
 
But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state’s payroll system — 
which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented 
Language — is so antiquated it would take months to make the changes to 
workers’ checks. 
 
“In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do such 
a task,” Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. “And after 12 
months, we stopped without a feasible solution.” 
 
David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, 
said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having “a television with vacuum 
tubes.” 
 
“There are no Cobol programmers around anymore,” Mr. Farber said. “They retired 
centuries ago.” John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA
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Re: Lotus Notes

2008-08-06 Thread Ron Wells
Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client 
on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC??
or
is this just rumor...

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Pace
Mr. Farber is an idiot.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.

 From this morning's New York Times:

 But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system
 — which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common
 Business-Oriented Language — is so antiquated it would take months to make
 the changes to workers' checks.

 In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do
 such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after
 12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution.

 David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon
 University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television
 with vacuum tubes.

 There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They
 retired centuries ago. John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA
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Re: Lotus Notes

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Pace
I've used the Lotus Notes v8 client for Linux on a SLED 9 PC.  It works
well.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread john gilmore
My posting of Farber's comments on COBOL was of course a provocation, and he 
was certainly guilty of hyperbole:  I personally know a number of unretired 
COBOL programmers.
 
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.  Carnegie-Mellon has procedures in place 
to ensure that no idiot becomes a full professor of computer science.  They are 
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Re: Lotus Notes

2008-08-06 Thread Alan Brown
I'm using Notes on Red Hat now

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Joe Aulph
++David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon
University, said using Cobol was roughly ++equivalent to having “a
television with vacuum tubes.” 

Mr Farber was probably teaching Pascal ( a widely used business programming
language) when the rest of were in the trenches and probably couldn't find
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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa...

2008-08-06 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 8/5/2008 3:52:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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The Bee laid off their technology reporter - I heard they are having  budget 
hard times.  No wonder considering that they do such a poor job at  tso many 
things.
 
During the year that I lived in the Sacramento area (1997-1998), I observed  
that the average edition of the SacBee (Sacramento Bee newspaper) used about 
60%  of its pages for advertising automobiles for sale.  That newspaper was 
so  bad that my colleagues and I renamed it the SuckBee.  Apparently it  
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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com

2008-08-06 Thread Jim Marshall
quote
The massive pay cut would exhaust the state's antiquated payroll system,
which is built on a Vietnam-era computer language so outdated that many
college students don't even bother to learn it anymore.


Being in Government for 40 years I have never heard of any government 
payroll system, no matter how old it is, not being able to be updated when 
there is a pay raise (i.e. new pay tables). Been doing this for years and 
years. 
So in California, to update a salary with a pay decrease is not possible 
without 
reprogramming the entire system. 

Sounds like a very interesting coding technique which was employed in the 
beginning and designed for the future; oh yes, this is California or maybe it 
is 
some excuse. Sounds like the time to hire a consultant to do a study, do 
nothing until it is completed in a year or two; what'a plan. 

jim  

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of john gilmore
 
 I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
  
 From this morning's New York Times:
  
 But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's 
 payroll system - which uses a programming throwback known as 
 Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented Language - is so 
 antiquated it would take months to make the changes to 
 workers' checks. 

Apparently the required/desired changes involve significantly more than
just the numbers.

 In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our 
 system to do such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate 
 committee on Monday. And after 12 months, we stopped without 
 a feasible solution. 
  
 David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie 
 Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to 
 having a television with vacuum tubes. 

Not quite the best analogy:  Vacuum tubes do wear out, but COBOL does
not.

 There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber 
 said. They retired centuries ago. 

Hyberbole notwithstanding, Prof. Farber apparently has not looked
outside his own office recently. 

-jc-

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Wayne Driscoll
And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess?  With
idiots like teaching no wonder.  All the COBOL programmers retired
centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL.  I guess
mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science
Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone
multiple.

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Subject: California's COBOL payroll system

I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
 
From this morning's New York Times:
 
But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system
- which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common
Business-Oriented Language - is so antiquated it would take months to make
the changes to workers' checks. 
 
In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do
such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after
12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution. 
 
David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University,
said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television with vacuum
tubes. 
 
There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They
retired centuries ago. John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Scott Barry
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:05:05 -0400, Joe Aulph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

++David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon
University, said using Cobol was roughly ++equivalent to having “a
television with vacuum tubes.” 

Mr Farber was probably teaching Pascal ( a widely used business programming
language) when the rest of were in the trenches and probably couldn't find
his way out of a BCT loop   e...  excuse me ---  a PERFORM VARRYING
loop.

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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa...

2008-08-06 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:16:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

so  bad that my colleagues and I renamed it the SuckBee.   Apparently it  
continues on doing a poor job at nearly  everything.



I lived in Alameda for about eight years and  finally settled on the San Jose 
Mercury for Tech stuff and Oakland Tribune  Sunday paper for 
sports and politics. For some reason we took  Weekly World News at work
or we got a subscription for meeting  SLA's...long ago and far away.








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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa...

2008-08-06 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 8/5/2008 4:34:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Additionally, the payroll system is completely table-driven, for  taxes
and salaries, so this change should only take a short while  to
accomplish, not the six months asserted by controller John  Chiang.
 
When I read the first post by someone who assumed that Chiang was telling  
the truth, and therefore the taxes and salaries were hard-coded, I didn't  
believe Chiang either.  The SuckBee is not the only source of extreme error  
here.  
Chiang, being a controller, is a political creature.  All we  know for sure 
is that he wants the public in California to believe that changing  the 
programs cannot be done and is floating various reasons why, which wise  
readers 
should assume are bogus, exaggerations, or lies until proven otherwise  by 
competent technical experts with no political agenda.
 
Reading something like this makes one wonder about the veracity of  all
news reported.
 
Political news is invariably at least 99% lies, rumor, innuendo,  
propaganda, disinformation, and/or garbage whether found in print or on the  
television 
(American TV, most especially).
 
When I read text in IBM's Principles of Operations that explains how the  
Load Address instruction works, I believe it.  When I see or hear political  
news 
I laugh.
 
Prussian Prime Minister Prince Otto von Bismarck summed it up thus:   “Never  
believe anything in politics, until it has been officially denied.”
 
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Hal Merritt
As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is
foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer. 

I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But,
after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming
language is almost irrelevant. The success/failure of any project begins
and ends with top management. 

Blaming the programming language, workers, or phase of the moon bespeaks
inept leadership.   

Just my $0.02 

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My posting of Farber's comments on COBOL was of course a provocation,
and he was certainly guilty of hyperbole:  I personally know a number of
unretired COBOL programmers.
 
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.  Carnegie-Mellon has procedures
in place to ensure that no idiot becomes a full professor of computer
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Greg Shirey
I think the New York Times reporter (and editor?) was probably not
familiar with the reputation of the person he was interviewing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Farber

Regards
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And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess?
With
idiots like teaching no wonder.  All the COBOL programmers retired
centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL.  I
guess
mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer
Science
Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Rugen, Len
There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't,
teach. 

I've worked in an academic environment for 21 years (this hitch)


Len Rugen

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practice, there is. 
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As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is
foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer. 

I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But,
after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming
language is almost irrelevant. The success/failure of any project begins
and ends with top management. 

Blaming the programming language, workers, or phase of the moon bespeaks
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Fw: Lotus Notes

2008-08-06 Thread Ron Wells
Alan

You still need client installed on PC??

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I'm using Notes on Red Hat now

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Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client 
on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC??
or
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GDG ERROR Message

2008-08-06 Thread esmie moo
Good Morning Gentle Readers,
 
I am encounter the following error message when creating gdg G1000V00.  The dsn 
is created succesfully.  My question is what can I do so as not to received 
this error message?  Do I need to manually create g0001v00 and start again?
 
IGD07001I GDG ROLL IN ERROR - RETURN CODE 140 REASON CODE 122 MODULE IGG0CLEL.
 
According to the explanation :
122 Explanation: Catalog G1000Vxx will cause the GDG to
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Wayne Driscoll
For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think
of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu.  

Wayne Driscoll
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I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
 
From this morning's New York Times:
 
But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system
- which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common
Business-Oriented Language - is so antiquated it would take months to make
the changes to workers' checks. 
 
In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do
such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after
12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution. 
 
David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University,
said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television with vacuum
tubes. 
 
There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Steve Comstock

Wayne Driscoll wrote:

For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think
of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu.  


Wayne Driscoll
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Hmmm. Someone else posted [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Wayne Driscoll
I found both, the cmu.edu is from the main CMU faculty page, and the
farber.net address is from the computer science college web site.  Like many
of us, I am sure that he has even more addresses.

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 For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you
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 of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu.  
 
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Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread William Hecox
Hi,

I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?

Bill

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Dave Thorn
He just replied to my email to the .net address.

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I found both, the cmu.edu is from the main CMU faculty page, and the
farber.net address is from the computer science college web site.  Like
many
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Edward Jaffe

john gilmore wrote:

There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired 
centuries ago.


COBOL was invented less than a century ago. And, millions of new lines 
of COBOL code are written every year.


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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Tony B.
ISAM.

 

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I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Edward Jaffe

Chase, John wrote:

Apparently the required/desired changes involve significantly more than
just the numbers.
  


That's what they want everyone to think. Their system seems quite 
capable of handling big fat pay raises every year. Why not pay 
decreases? And, what has COBOL got to do with it? Code is code.


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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Eric Spencer
Not anymore... 

IBM plans to take the following actions effective with z/OS V1.7: 

Support for ISAM data sets will be withdrawn. When this support is
withdrawn, you will no longer be able to process ISAM data sets other
than to delete them. The ISAM Compatibility Interface will remain
available to help you migrate applications to VSAM without application
changes.

Eric Spencer
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 ISAM.
 
 
 
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 I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
 
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Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path

2008-08-06 Thread Imbriale, Donald
You could check the migration actions from 1.7 to 1.9, then those for
1.9 to 1.10.  That might let you go directly from 1.7 to 1.10, even
though it wouldn't technically be supported.

Don Imbriale

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 No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo.

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I must have missed that memo.
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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:36:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ISAM.
 
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Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains  KEYS.
Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
Bill
 
ISAM is not an IBM utility.  It is an access method which is about to  become 
seriously unsupported by IBM.  I suspect you will have to write your  own 
utility whose design is similar to that of IEBGENER; i.e., read one logical  
record using QSAM from the input file, add that record to the output buffer;  
repeat until the output buffer is full, then write it to the output file using  
BDAM (q.v.).  Alas, there is no QDAM, so you have to do the blocking on the  
output side yourself.
 
If ISAM were to continue to be supported, you could write the logical  record 
to the output file using QISAM and your one-time special-purpose utility  
program would be simpler.  But you will still need to write the utility  
program 
yourself.  Or find it on the CBT, maybe.
 
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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Eric Spencer
Depending on what you are trying to achieve there may be a couple of
options. 

1. ISPF tables
2. There is a standard API available through C/C++ 
Look at dbm_* api - (dbm_open,dbm_store,dbm_firstkey, etc) it implements
keyed access in flat files. 


Eric 

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 ISAM.
 
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 Hi,
 I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains  KEYS.
 Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
 Bill
 
 ISAM is not an IBM utility.  It is an access method which is about to
 become
 seriously unsupported by IBM.  I suspect you will have to write your
own
 utility whose design is similar to that of IEBGENER; i.e., read one
 logical
 record using QSAM from the input file, add that record to the output
 buffer;
 repeat until the output buffer is full, then write it to the output
file
 using
 BDAM (q.v.).  Alas, there is no QDAM, so you have to do the blocking
on
 the
 output side yourself.
 
 If ISAM were to continue to be supported, you could write the logical
 record
 to the output file using QISAM and your one-time special-purpose
utility
 program would be simpler.  But you will still need to write the
utility
 program
 yourself.  Or find it on the CBT, maybe.
 
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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Steve Comstock

William Hecox wrote:

Hi,

I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?

Bill 



Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys
is BDAM, and you have to write your own code.



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Re: Datasets with KEYs - resend w/ correct reply-to

2008-08-06 Thread Steve Comstock

William Hecox wrote:

Hi,

I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?

Bill 


Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys
is BDAM, and you have to write your own code.

Although Eric Spencer just replied with a couple of interesting
alternatives.

Still, I think you're out of luck for a utility.

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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Tony B.
Having suggested ISAM, tongue in cheek, I should submit a serious proposal.
Depending on the needs of your resulting application (maybe it's all batch
??) , any sequential disk file can have keys in a logical sense if you can
exploit the features of DF/SORT and its SPLICE capability. 

Is there a possibility to create VSAM RRDS ?

   

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William Hecox wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
 
 Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
 
 Bill
 

Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys
is BDAM, and you have to write your own code.



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Re: cbt

2008-08-06 Thread Rafa Pereira
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:09:04 +, ben lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have to write a program that lists the csects of a program object and
their properties, such as size, address, etc. Is there something I can use
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LISTIDR, FILE # 316?


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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread McKown, John
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 Chase, John wrote:
  Apparently the required/desired changes involve 
 significantly more than
  just the numbers.

 
 That's what they want everyone to think. Their system seems quite 
 capable of handling big fat pay raises every year. Why not pay 
 decreases? And, what has COBOL got to do with it? Code is code.
 
 -- 
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Well, yes and no. COBOL is fairly easy. There are very few idiomatic
expressions. Many idiotic statements, but few idiomatic. [grin]

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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread McKown, John
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 Hi,
 
 I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
 
 Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
 
 Bill 

IMS? ISAM? BDAM? I'd say DB2 except that it uses VSAM as its backstore.

Perhaps a bit more information would help. Why no VSAM? It ain't groovy,
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Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG

2008-08-06 Thread Ulrich Krueger
Miklos,
DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be
getting a corresponding ARC... error message.
Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a
program? If so, what is it? 
Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program (so that
the DCB could be properly filled in with all attributes including DSORG)? 
Are these datasets referenced and actually used (open, read/write, close) in
any production JCL? 
I suspect that you may be able to just delete these datasets.
OTOH, if you have ProSMS (aka StopX37), you could use it to force open/close
any dataset allocated in JCL that is not opened/closed by the executing
program. That ensures a valid DSORG and the dataset now becomes a candidate
for automatic DFHSM space management, incr. Backup and migration.

Regards,
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Hi

Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's 
with DSORG=NONE
(In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed )

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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:27:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains  KEYS.
 
Thinking about your query some more made me realize you didn't give us  
enough technical specifications to help you very much.  E.g., what do you  mean 
by 
populate?  What do you mean by contains keys?  Namely,  will the data set 
be blocked or unblocked?  If unblocked, you might even be  able to use 
IEBGENER and specify the key location and offset through JCL.   If blocked, 
then what 
does the block's key represent - the lowest key of any  record in the block, 
the highest key of any record in the block, or something  else?
 
Must all the keys written onto the tracks be in ascending key sequence,  
descending, or is random OK?  What will happen if there are two blocks  
somewhere 
in the data set with the same key?
 
How will this data set be accessed after its creation?  With what  software 
and/or access method?  What will said accessing programs do if a  key is not 
found?  What happens if a block is found with no key on the  track?  How long 
will this data set exist?  How do you plan to back it  up and restore it if 
necessary?  Will it be automatically managed by some  kind of archival system?
 
I don't expect answers to all of these, but you definitely need to think  
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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread R.S.
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Hi,

I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?


No one asked, so I dare:
WHY?
Why do you need it?
What do you want to do?
Having no-VSAM dataset with keys is definitely not a business goal.

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Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG

2008-08-06 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

Thank you

Ulrich Krueger wrote:


Miklos,
DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be
getting a corresponding ARC... error message.
Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a
program? If so, what is it? 
Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program (so that
the DCB could be properly filled in with all attributes including DSORG)? 
 

This is the case. The datasets only allocated, but never opened, and as 
I don't see the users intention, I don't want to delete them.



Are these datasets referenced and actually used (open, read/write, close) in
any production JCL? 
I suspect that you may be able to just delete these datasets.

OTOH, if you have ProSMS (aka StopX37), you could use it to force open/close
any dataset allocated in JCL that is not opened/closed by the executing
program. That ensures a valid DSORG and the dataset now becomes a candidate
for automatic DFHSM space management, incr. Backup and migration.
 


We don't have  this ProSMS (Is it a freeware ? )
We have a utility which processes  the DCOLLECT outputs, I will try to 
insert here to open this dataset's



Regards,
Ulrich Krueger

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Hi

Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's 
with DSORG=NONE

(In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed )

 



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Re: OPCA/TWS LIstserver and/or opinions required

2008-08-06 Thread Brian Fitzgibbon
I'll chime in here.  There is a Yahoo Group called TWS_GSE (European 
based but active).  There is also a US based group called ASAP - you can 
visit the website at http://twsuser.org.  This is a very active 
stateside group - there is also a forum built into the website.  Hope 
this helps.


And Skip give a Hello  to Bruce Elder from me ... :-)

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Hi Group,

Does anyone know of a listserv group dedicated to OPCA?  Meanwhile, i'll
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my question here for any OPCA users out there.

My current client has decided to deal with conditional batch job processing
by using OCL to change the workstation id's of certain operations. I.e the
run a step to check if data exists, then if it does, they will use OCL to
one or more of the remaining operations in the application to use an
executing workstation, if there is no data, the operations do not run.

Maybe i'm showing my dinosaur teeth with this, but it just does not feel
correct, i can think of other more traditional ways of achieving the same
result, and in my opinion, dynamically updating the current plan introduces
other challenges, and if nothing else, makes forecasting difficult.

What do others OPCA users think about dynamically updating the current plan
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
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 There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't, 
 teach. 

Government corollary (also applicable to academia):

Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach.
And those who can't teach, administrate.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Rick Fochtman

---snip---
And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? 
With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired 
centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I 
guess mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer 
Science Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let 
alone multiple.

-unsnip---
Don't even get me started on the woes of the education system here. When 
second-graders are permitted to use calculators for arithmetic 
(As they are here!)


Common sense is becomming a very uncommon virtue. In California, I think 
it's already extinct.


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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Rick Fochtman

snip-
As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is 
foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer.


I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But, 
after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming 
language is almost irrelevant. The success/failure of any project begins 
and ends with top management.


Blaming the programming language, workers, or phase of the moon bespeaks 
inept leadership.

-unsnip---
I agree 100%. Unfortunately, too many organizations depend on a college 
degree, rather than any demonstration of good sense or experience. Any 
dummy with a MBA (which really means very little) can get a job in 
management of nearly any organization, all too often to the ultimate 
detriment of his/her employers. The shekel counters and the lawyers 
have done irreparable harm, and continue to do so, to the detriment of 
those of us who actually are qualified (by experience) and WANT to do a 
good job. Personal pride in doing a good job is now secondary to fancy 
paper that means nothing in the real world.


I still believe in discrimination; based on ability to do the job. Does 
that make me some sort of pariah???


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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
 
 ---snip---
 And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? 
 With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL 
 programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still 
 (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic 
 are no longer required to become a Computer Science 
 Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, 
 let alone multiple.
 -unsnip---
 Don't even get me started on the woes of the education system 
 here. When second-graders are permitted to use calculators 
 for arithmetic 
 (As they are here!)
 
 Common sense is becomming a very uncommon virtue. In 
 California, I think it's already extinct.

Indeed, I think common sense has replaced military intelligence as
the prototypical oxymoron.

-jc-

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Rick Fochtman

---snip---
There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't, teach.

I've worked in an academic environment for 21 years (this hitch)
-unsnip-
Sort of like when a baseball player's eyes go bad; they make him an 
umpire. :-)


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Re: OPCA/TWS LIstserver and/or opinions required

2008-08-06 Thread Brian Fitzgibbon
I'll chime in here.  There is a Yahoo Group called TWS_GSE (European 
based but active).  There is also a US based group called ASAP - you can 
visit the website at http://twsuser.org.  This is a very active 
stateside group - there is also a forum built into the website.  Hope 
this helps.


And Skip give a Hello  to Bruce Elder from me ... :-)

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Skip Robinson wrote:

I'm not the TWS guy here, but I've received a couple of email notes about a
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Hi Group,

Does anyone know of a listserv group dedicated to OPCA?  Meanwhile, i'll
ask
my question here for any OPCA users out there.

My current client has decided to deal with conditional batch job processing
by using OCL to change the workstation id's of certain operations. I.e the
run a step to check if data exists, then if it does, they will use OCL to
one or more of the remaining operations in the application to use an
executing workstation, if there is no data, the operations do not run.

Maybe i'm showing my dinosaur teeth with this, but it just does not feel
correct, i can think of other more traditional ways of achieving the same
result, and in my opinion, dynamically updating the current plan introduces
other challenges, and if nothing else, makes forecasting difficult.

What do others OPCA users think about dynamically updating the current plan
for any reason?

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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
NO. BDAM; at least it's got SOME form of support, whereas ISAM has been 
dead for about 25 years.

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I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?

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Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG

2008-08-06 Thread Jack Kelly
snip
Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's 
with DSORG=NONE
(In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed )
unsnip

Just create a minimal Dclass for all DSN and HSM will be happy. But if 
they're not opened, HSM will migrate them BUT not back them up, so no 
expire unless the bit is on! Non SMS has Dclass too

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Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG

2008-08-06 Thread Ulrich Krueger
Miklos,
The product I mentioned, ProSMS (StopX37), has been around as a vendor
product for many years, even before IBM's DFSMS was born. If you want more
information about it, see BMC MAINVIEW Allocation (that's its current
name). In a big, traditional non-SMS shop, where I have worked, this product
has been a lifesaver for many years, controlling DASD dataset allocations,
preventing Sx37 - abends and doing other space management functions under
the covers that make life of a storage admin a lot easier.

IMHO, the only things you can do with undefined DSORG datasets are
(1) throw them away ... make that a DASD management policy: if undefined
DSORG, delete after 7 days (or so).
(2) change them after x days unused to force DSORG=PS and then let your
normal space management processes handle them / dispose of them (archive,
expire, etc).
The PDS program on CBT tape has a function which allows the dataset's DSORG
to be set to PS. There might be others, too.


Regards,
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Hi

Thank you

Ulrich Krueger wrote:

Miklos,
DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be
getting a corresponding ARC... error message.
Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a
program? If so, what is it? 
Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program (so
that
the DCB could be properly filled in with all attributes including DSORG)? 
  

This is the case. The datasets only allocated, but never opened, and as 
I don't see the users intention, I don't want to delete them.

Are these datasets referenced and actually used (open, read/write, close)
in
any production JCL? 
I suspect that you may be able to just delete these datasets.
OTOH, if you have ProSMS (aka StopX37), you could use it to force
open/close
any dataset allocated in JCL that is not opened/closed by the executing
program. That ensures a valid DSORG and the dataset now becomes a candidate
for automatic DFHSM space management, incr. Backup and migration.
  

We don't have  this ProSMS (Is it a freeware ? )
We have a utility which processes  the DCOLLECT outputs, I will try to 
insert here to open this dataset's

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Warren Brown
At the government agency where I work and at others that I know of, in 
Wasington DC and in Baltimore area there are plenty of programmers still 
writing COBOL programs
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  And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? 
  With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL 
  programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still 
  (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic 
  are no longer required to become a Computer Science 
  Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, 
  let alone multiple. 
   
  Don't even get me started on the woes of the education system 
  here. When second-graders are permitted to use calculators 
  for arithmetic 
  (As they are here!) 
  
  Common sense is becomming a very uncommon virtue. In 
  California, I think it's already extinct. 
 
 Indeed, I think common sense has replaced military intelligence as 
 the prototypical oxymoron. 
 
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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-06 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.

Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
--unsnip--
If you could supply a bit more background/detail information, we might 
be able to help you make a better decision.


Why NON-VSAM ?? Nearly all high-level programming languages now support 
VSAM reasonably well.


If you're willing to write in Assembler, you might consider BDAM. 
Loading it is fairly straightforward but usage could present problems to 
high-level languages. We realy need to understanding the underlying 
needs to make a valid and usable recommendation.


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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.

If not, he makes idiotic comments.
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Re: a little confusion of XMS

2008-08-06 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/06/2008 
04:24:17 AM:

 After reading up on Extended Addressability Guide ,I am confused 
on 
 ASN resue issue. According to the book,if address space owns a spaces 
 switch ET and connect it to the system lx,then this address space's ASID 
is 
 not reusable for the duration of IPL. This is because other address 
space 
 could pass control to code running in the address space that reused this 

 ASID.My question is: 
 1. Before service provider(owner of ET) termination, the ET was 
usually 
 destroyed(ETDES PURGE=YES), How could the other address space pass 
 control to PC running in the address space which reused the service 
 provider's 
 ASID. How could this happen?

  Destruction of the ET prevents a subsequent PC from establishing
a bind to the ASID.  But it does not 
prevent a workunit which previously issued the PC from being 
dispatched with that ASID as PASN or SASN.  Furthermore, it does not 
prevent a subsequent PR or PT instruction from establishing a bind 
to the ASID.

 2. does ASN-reuse-facility have something to do with it,how the ASN-
 reuse-facility  remedy the potential system integrality problem.
 I searched for a couple days but can't find more information,so 
could you 
 please explain more details for me. thanks

  The ASN-reuse-facility introduces the concept of an address space 
instance number.  When the ASID is reused, the instance number is
incremented, so that the ASID/Instance Number  combination remains
unique. 
 
  Starting with z/OS 1.9, the ASN-reuse-facility can be used to
reuse formerly non-reusable ASIDs via the REUSASID=YES parameter
on the START command or ATTR=REUSASID on the ASCRE macro. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread McKown, John
The same story from the nytimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/06computer.html?_r=1oref=slogin

with a twist:

quote
Even before his remarks to the Legislature, Mr. Chiang, a Democrat, had
made no secret of his dislike for the order by Mr. Schwarzenegger, a
Republican, saying he would refuse to follow it even if the state's
computers could handle the job. The governor, in turn, has threatened to
sue Mr. Chiang to force the pay cuts, saying Mr. Chiang was violating a
2003 California court decision mandating that state employees take
minimum wage if the Legislature does not pass a budget. 
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Re: Fw: Lotus Notes

2008-08-06 Thread Alan Brown
I'm using the client, but there is a web interface as well - I have not 
used it other than to see if it worked.

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Alan

You still need client installed on PC??

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Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client 
on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC??
or
is this just rumor...

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Jack . Hamilton
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/06/2008 
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 That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.

 If not, he makes idiotic comments.

Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it.



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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
 That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.

 If not, he makes idiotic comments.

Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it.

I didn't catch it, either.
This kind of comment directly affects my livelihood, when PHB's read, and 
believe.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Tom Harper
And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee:

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html

confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a political posturing
issue.

Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
Neon Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX 

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The same story from the nytimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/06computer.html?_r=1oref=slogin

with a twist:

quote
Even before his remarks to the Legislature, Mr. Chiang, a Democrat, had
made no secret of his dislike for the order by Mr. Schwarzenegger, a
Republican, saying he would refuse to follow it even if the state's
computers could handle the job. The governor, in turn, has threatened to
sue Mr. Chiang to force the pay cuts, saying Mr. Chiang was violating a
2003 California court decision mandating that state employees take
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Gary Green
.re 
I agree 100%. Unfortunately, too many organizations depend on a college 
degree, rather than any demonstration of good sense or experience. Any 
dummy with a MBA (which really means very little) can get a job in 
management of nearly any organization

This reminds me of a contract I did once back in the 80's.  Although I was not 
qualified enough to be hired by a certain company because I did not have a 
college degree, I was qualified enough to charge them an arm and a leg to teach 
their BA's and MBA's how to write software, in COBOL no less, how to read 
dumps, how to design software, how to code JCL, heck, how to think!etc...

While I was a bit ticked when they turned me down for a fulltime job, the year 
before, I felt vindicated when they had to contract with me to teach those that 
were more educated.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
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 And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee:
 
 http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html
 
 confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a 
 political posturing issue.

But we elected those clowns.  What does that say about us?

-jc-

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Tom Harper
Well, don't include me in your we. I didn't elect them. I moved to
Texas in 1983.

Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX

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 And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee:
 
 http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html
 
 confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a 
 political posturing issue.

But we elected those clowns.  What does that say about us?

-jc-

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Gary Green
In other words, you got out in time?  Or before it got worse?

g


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Well, don't include me in your we. I didn't elect them. I moved to
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But we elected those clowns.  What does that say about us?

We have to elect somebody!
The best of a bad bunch?


Q: What's the difference between a politician and a prostitute?
A: A politician does it to a million people at the same time.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Joe Aulph
Well that means this November we have the chance, responsibility, to put in
a new set of clowns.
Yet another strong argument for term limits..

Joe A,



   
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 And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee:

 http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html

 confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a
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But we elected those clowns.  What does that say about us?

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-06 Thread Chase, John
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 But we elected those clowns.  What does that say about us?
 
 We have to elect somebody!

Actually, we don't.  There is no _requirement_ to vote in the U.S.

-jc-

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