Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock
Itschak Mugzach writes: I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power switch lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect your mainframe power switches other then access control to the computer room. IBM does have a solution (and this is not snark): http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/pso Or possibly this: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/gdps As other posters have noted, there's an important safety value to the big red (covered) switch, and it could well be a legal or regulatory requirement in your particular country. (I know electrical safety regulations are quite stringent in many parts of the world.) Similar laws and regulations in many jurisdictions understandably prohibit locking fire escape doors, for example. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock
Timoty, I don't think that the customer get it as n emergency power switch, but as a physical risk. You are right about the regulations, they are applied here as well. Itschak | Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mob: +972 522 986404 | Skype: Itschak Mugzach | Web: www.Securiteam.co.il | -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock Itschak Mugzach writes: I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM mainframe power switch lock. I checked and there is no such lock. I wonder how do you protect your mainframe power switches other then access control to the computer room. IBM does have a solution (and this is not snark): http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/pso Or possibly this: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/gdps As other posters have noted, there's an important safety value to the big red (covered) switch, and it could well be a legal or regulatory requirement in your particular country. (I know electrical safety regulations are quite stringent in many parts of the world.) Similar laws and regulations in many jurisdictions understandably prohibit locking fire escape doors, for example. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ NOD32 3280 (20080718) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STOPX37 SMS loop
Everything is working as designed. SPACPRIM is reducing the primary allocation and re-driving the allocation request. I think STOPX37 has parameters that say something along the lines reduce it by 10% to a minimum of 20%. The primary space can be satisfied with the largest 5 extents on one volume. I suspect CONNECT:Direct is then repeating the whole process in attempt to create the file. You need to increase the space available in the storage group by adding volumes or by running DEFRAGs. Are your ACS routines over riding the STORCLAS, MGMTCLAS and DATACLAS supplied by the application/user? If not you may be allowing them to shoot themselves in the foot. Tony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
a little confusion of XMS
Hello all: After reading up on Extended Addressability Guide ,I am confused on ASN resue issue. According to the book,if address space owns a spaces switch ET and connect it to the system lx,then this address space's ASID is not reusable for the duration of IPL. This is because other address space could pass control to code running in the address space that reused this ASID.My question is: 1. Before service provider(owner of ET) termination, the ET was usually destroyed(ETDES PURGE=YES), How could the other address space pass control to PC running in the address space which reused the service provider's ASID. How could this happen? 2. does ASN-reuse-facility have something to do with it,how the ASN- reuse-facility remedy the potential system integrality problem. I searched for a couple days but can't find more information,so could you please explain more details for me. thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: NFS Windows.XP
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:52:15 -0500, Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
any examples someone may have on the commands issued fro z/os to
Windows-XP to mount a file..or from Windows to z/OS...running z/os1.9
Ron,
I looked up my JCL library and found this example from April 2005. I only ever
used the ZOS NFS Client, not Server, so this will apply to that;
//STEP01 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSTSIN DD *
PROFILE NOPREFIX
mount filesystem('d') mountpoint('/u/PCST2828') type(NFS) +
parm('10.1.111.117:/d') wait
/*
PCST2828 was the Stock Number of my old company PC.
As far as I remember it worked, hope it gives you some pointers.
Dave
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Re: Do you protect your power switch with a lock
I understand. This question may be one of those occasions requiring some careful but simple explanation. Ultimately any customer is free to disregard your good advice and take responsibility for whatever they do. But if the law or a regulation (such as a fire code) says there has to be a single physical big red switch on any piece of electrical equipment above a certain voltage (not only mainframes), and it has to be human accessible at all times, at least for anyone in the room, then your hands are tied, and properly so I think. I was serious about Parallel Sysplex here. There is a very small but non-zero risk that someone could cut the power using the switch if there is any human (or creature?) physical access to the room housing the machine. But there are other potential risks as well. You name it, it has probably happened. Somebody could spill a big bucket of cleaning solution on the machine. (The machine would do its best to live on, but it depends on how fluid, how reactive, how voluminous, and how well aimed that bucket is. :-)) A water sprinkler system could trigger accidentally, an army or police could march in and seize the equipment (yes, that one has happened), the floor could collapse, some other piece of equipment could catch fire, the data center could burn to the ground, a tornado could strike, a vehicle could collide with the machine, there could be a nearby gas leak, etc., etc. So inadvertantly hitting the big red switch is one item on a very long list of hopefully unlikely but non-zero risks. Except the big red switch is there to mitigate even bigger risks, at least in the eyes of the fire code. Parallel Sysplex (and GDPS), properly implemented and well managed, neatly mitigate myriad risks. They're good options if this is a big enough concern to your customer. Then they'd have to inadvertantly hit two big red switches, meters or even kilometers apart. It'd take someone with exceptionally long arm reach to do that. :-) - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Migrate with undefined DSORG
Hi Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's with DSORG=NONE (In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed ) -- Miklos Szigetvari Development Team ISIS Information Systems Gmbh tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our Website: http://www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS 1.10 migration path
Hello list, from the z/OS 1.10 Migration Guide, summary of changes: Approximately 90 migration actions were deleted because they applied to migrations from z/OS V1R7, and that release is not supported for migration to z/OS V1R10. Having still z/OS 1.7, I was not amused to read that sentence. I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the list can explain why IBM did change that ?? TIA. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
AW: z/OS 1.10 migration path
Having still z/OS 1.7, I was not amused to read that sentence. I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the list can explain why IBM did change that ?? Walter, According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html Hermann -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PARM problem - HELP
John Not understanding why you still have a problem after all the suggestions you have had! Here is the precise solution for you according to the reference given by Bob Rutledge. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456 78901234567890 // PARM='SH echo sftp -b /u/bpxbatch/mccheckftpfis-depot-test.ucdavis.e // du |su -s bpxbtch' When I positioned your example I see you had somehow taken on board the idea that the continuation of the text on the second card image might need to start in column 16. Here is the example from Bob's reference for comparison with the solution: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456 78901234567890 //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14,PARM=(PARM1,'/DIR1/DIR2 // /DIR3/DIR4/DIR5/DIR6/DIR7/DIR8/DIR9/DIR10/DIR11/DIR12/DI // R13/FILENM') Ha!, now I position it under the column template I see the manual is wrong! It should be - according to the text and in some sort of conformance with the ancient original rules of JCL - as follows: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456 78901234567890 //STEP1 EXECPGM=IEFBR14,PARM=(PARM1,'/DIR1/DIR2 // /DIR3/DIR4/DIR5/DIR6/DIR7/DIR8/DIR9/DIR10/DIR11/DIR12/DI // R13/FILENM') I have repositioned all the text following EXEC on all three card images one position to the left. 10 marks for the author and 0 marks for the type-setter. I went back in order to check the redbook example and whoever typed that up got the positioning correct. You should make sure you read this post with a nonproportional font such as Courier New. You may need to copy and paste in something like Notepad and set the font with Format-Font. Although it lacks readability, I believe that this is the simplest solution. I hope you are now in a position (sic) to move on. Chris Mason On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:28:09 -0700, John Norgauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lizette - // SET P1='abc/def/ghi -sh' // SET P2='continue away' //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14,PARM=(PARM1,'P1P1') not understanding your statement : PARM=(PARM1,'P1P2') Where does PARM1 get defined? John Norgauer University of California Davis Medical Center 2315 Stockton Blvd ASB 1300 Sacramento, Ca 95817 916-734-0536 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
Walter Marguccio wrote: I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the list can explain why IBM did change that ?? When z/OS switched to annual releases, the old N+3 coexistence rule, first implemented with OS/390, became much simpler: Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release. So, now the support and coexistence schedules are lined up with one another. One and the same. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JCL PROCEDURE QUESTION
Howard, look in the PROC itself - just do a F IMAGE. Because it's on your PROC statement, it must exist within the PROC. Cheers,,,Steve Steve Conway Lead Systems Programmer Information Systems Services Division Computer Network Operations Phone: (703) 450-3156 Fax:(703) 450-3197 Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 08/05/2008 06:20 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject JCL PROCEDURE QUESTION I'm doing the following as shown below and receiving the following errors yet as far as I can see this should be o.k. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks 2 //JST0010 EXEC PROC=SY065X, // FUNCTION=OPERLOG, // TYPE=CURRENT, // ENV=E18823, // TIMEOUT=360, // IMAGE= 3 XXSY065X PROC ENV='NO-ENVIRONMENT-SPECIFIED', XX FUNCTION='NO-FUNCTION-SPECIFIED', XX TIMEOUT='NO-TIME-OUT-SPECIFIED', XX IMAGE='NONE' 2 IEFC657I THE SYMBOL IMAGE WAS NOT USED -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
- Original Message From: Faber, Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Walter, According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html Hermann, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I could migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration books, it seems I can't. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
- Original Message From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release. Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th, 2008, it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ? Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
Walter, You are correct; you cannot perform a supported migration from 1.7 to 1.10. Several years ago, IBM changed over to having three supported releases at any given time and only supporting upgrades on supported releases. So, 1.7 goes out of support on September 20, 2008, when 1.10 becomes available and is not supported for direct migration to 1.10. This has been discussed more than once on the list since IBM originally went to the current methodology so it should not have been a surprise. I hate for you that it apparently is but the last N+3 supported migration I am aware of was z/OS 1.4 to 1.7. Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Marguccio Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path - Original Message From: Faber, Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Walter, According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html Hermann, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I could migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration books, it seems I can't. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I could migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration books, it seems I can't. No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo. When IBM changed to annual releases, they also changed the rule of co-existance. It's now 'any supported release'. 1.7 goes out of support the same time 1.10 comes out. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JCL PROCEDURE QUESTION
Into proc SY065X there is no IMAGE 2008/8/5, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm doing the following as shown below and receiving the following errors yet as far as I can see this should be o.k. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks 2 //JST0010 EXEC PROC=SY065X, // FUNCTION=OPERLOG, // TYPE=CURRENT, // ENV=E18823, // TIMEOUT=360, // IMAGE= 3 XXSY065X PROC ENV='NO-ENVIRONMENT-SPECIFIED', XX FUNCTION='NO-FUNCTION-SPECIFIED', XX TIMEOUT='NO-TIME-OUT-SPECIFIED', XX IMAGE='NONE' 2 IEFC657I THE SYMBOL IMAGE WAS NOT USED -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... - Original Message From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release. Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th, 2008, it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ? Walter Marguccio The new algorithme also means that the 'retention period' of your z/OS was raised from 3 * 0.5 years to 2 * 1 year. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
- Original Message From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo. All right mates, I must have missed that memo. Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order z/OS 1.9 now. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer Munich - Germany __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper [ snip ] Reading something like this makes one wonder about the veracity of all news reported. I tend to question the competence and honesty of the quoted source(s) rather than the reporter(s). And if the source(s) are government (any level), I almost automatically assume the quotes are outright lies. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Don Leahy [ snip ] Here is a (paraphrased) excerpt from a document at a site that I know: The old system is written in several different programming languages and runs on incompatible platforms and operating systems. This statement was slightly puzzling to those familiar with the old (early 1990s) system, which was 100% COBOL under IMS and DB2. :-) But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three different programming languages. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: NFS Windows.XP
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Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Don Leahy [ snip ] Here is a (paraphrased) excerpt from a document at a site that I know: The old system is written in several different programming languages and runs on incompatible platforms and operating systems. This statement was slightly puzzling to those familiar with the old (early 1990s) system, which was 100% COBOL under IMS and DB2. :-) But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three different programming languages. -jc- Yeah, and the old system uses JCL so you can add that to the list of programming languages too. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
John, It is true that California is in a bind, however, I hardly think that it is appropriate for state employees to essentially make a loan to the state government with the implied threat of if they don't, their jobs may be terminated. This has happened many times before, with various solutions, such as vouchers that some banks honored, etc. Interestingly enough, welfare recipients still get their checks, as it's mandated by law. However, the law is apparently not equal, as state employees are required to be paid the average salary for their type of position, which has clearly not been the case over the last several decades. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com Ya know... It's crap and FUD like this that makes my blood boil!!! COBOL, an antique language, not taught anymore and difficult to maintain. Where do I start? How about I offer to go in there, analyze the situation, come up with a solution that would work with their existing system, write it all myself and then charge them only a few hundred grand? Idiots! Where would they get the money to pay you? CA is apparently in a bind right now. I think that most of the CA state employees now love COBOL. I'd give you a pay cut, but our computer system refuses! I found it very amusing. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
[snip] But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three different programming languages. -jc- Yeah, and the old system uses JCL so you can add that to the list of programming languages too. :-) Well, in a sense, JCL is a programming language. It is, supposedly, human readable text which instructs a computer to perform a series of actions. I guess it depends on the defination of programming language vs. control language. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Harper Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com John, It is true that California is in a bind, however, I hardly think that it is appropriate for state employees to essentially make a loan to the state government with the implied threat of if they don't, their jobs may be terminated. This has happened many times before, with various solutions, such as vouchers that some banks honored, etc. I worked for Braniff Airways back in the early '80s. Just before it went bankrupt for the first time. All employees there were told something like: 10% of your salary is going to be taken into a fund. If the company becomes profitable again, you will get this back. I.e. we got a 10% pay cut, but not stated as a pay cut. And we still paid income taxes on that 10% which we never saw again. Interestingly enough, welfare recipients still get their checks, as it's mandated by law. However, the law is apparently not equal, as state employees are required to be paid the average salary for their type of position, which has clearly not been the case over the last several decades. Tom Harper -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STOPX37 SMS loop
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:41:33 -0400, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact BMC for assistance. If you are willing to forego STOPX37 assistance entirely in CONNECT:Direct add this DD to whatever address space is doing the allocation. //X37IGNDD DUMMY THIS TURNS OFF STOP X-37 Agree. But note that X37IGN is a name defined locally (I have no idea if this is the default or not) so it may not be the same for the OP. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
McKown, John wrote: Where would they get the money to pay you? CA is apparently in a bind right now. The State of CA has had a 39% revenue *increase* since Arnold took office. How could they be in a bind? They spend money like drunken sailors. Even less responsibly. At least drunken sailors are spending their *own* money! :o -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
Walter Marguccio wrote: - Original Message From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release. Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th, 2008, it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ? Correct. They don't count the four days of overlap. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can't read newly created procedure
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:01:49 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe your proclib has gone into extents? It has nothing to do with extents, in my understanding. It could. But JES2 detects that via I/O error and closes / reopens the concatenation for all converter tasks. To the OP: As someone already suggested, check the archives. This has been discussed many times before. -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:19:51 -0700, Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo. All right mates, I must have missed that memo. Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order z/OS 1.9 now. I have no idea what your environment is like, but if it isn't a sysplex, you still may want to make the jump from 1.7 directly to 1.10. But if you can't, make sure you order 1.9 by October 27th 2008. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: NOMAIL Option in TSO/E
You can find the nomail flag in the LWA. TSO General Info indicates the LWA would be formatted by the IPCS VERBX TSODATA command, but I don't see it there. ASXBLWA (offset +14x) points to the LWA. ASCBASXB (offset +6Cx) points to the ASXB. You can use the LOGON command from a TSO prompt screen to set the mail/nomail option: LOGON userid MAIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
California's COBOL payroll system
I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy. From this morning's New York Times: But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state’s payroll system — which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented Language — is so antiquated it would take months to make the changes to workers’ checks. “In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do such a task,” Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. “And after 12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution.” David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having “a television with vacuum tubes.” “There are no Cobol programmers around anymore,” Mr. Farber said. “They retired centuries ago.” John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Lotus Notes
Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC?? or is this just rumor... -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
Mr. Farber is an idiot. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy. From this morning's New York Times: But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system — which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented Language — is so antiquated it would take months to make the changes to workers' checks. In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after 12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution. David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television with vacuum tubes. There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired centuries ago. John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Lotus Notes
I've used the Lotus Notes v8 client for Linux on a SLED 9 PC. It works well. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC?? or is this just rumor... -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
My posting of Farber's comments on COBOL was of course a provocation, and he was certainly guilty of hyperbole: I personally know a number of unretired COBOL programmers. That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. Carnegie-Mellon has procedures in place to ensure that no idiot becomes a full professor of computer science. They are filtered out at lower ranks.John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA _ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Lotus Notes
I'm using Notes on Red Hat now Alan Brown IBM Software Group From: Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 08/06/2008 09:57 AM Subject: Re: Lotus Notes Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC?? or is this just rumor... -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
++David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly ++equivalent to having “a television with vacuum tubes.” Mr Farber was probably teaching Pascal ( a widely used business programming language) when the rest of were in the trenches and probably couldn't find his way out of a BCT loop e... excuse me --- a PERFORM VARRYING loop. Joe Aulph, Senior Systems Programmer: 850-487-8945 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa...
In a message dated 8/5/2008 3:52:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bee laid off their technology reporter - I heard they are having budget hard times. No wonder considering that they do such a poor job at tso many things. During the year that I lived in the Sacramento area (1997-1998), I observed that the average edition of the SacBee (Sacramento Bee newspaper) used about 60% of its pages for advertising automobiles for sale. That newspaper was so bad that my colleagues and I renamed it the SuckBee. Apparently it continues on doing a poor job at nearly everything. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
quote The massive pay cut would exhaust the state's antiquated payroll system, which is built on a Vietnam-era computer language so outdated that many college students don't even bother to learn it anymore. Being in Government for 40 years I have never heard of any government payroll system, no matter how old it is, not being able to be updated when there is a pay raise (i.e. new pay tables). Been doing this for years and years. So in California, to update a salary with a pay decrease is not possible without reprogramming the entire system. Sounds like a very interesting coding technique which was employed in the beginning and designed for the future; oh yes, this is California or maybe it is some excuse. Sounds like the time to hire a consultant to do a study, do nothing until it is completed in a year or two; what'a plan. jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of john gilmore I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy. From this morning's New York Times: But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system - which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented Language - is so antiquated it would take months to make the changes to workers' checks. Apparently the required/desired changes involve significantly more than just the numbers. In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after 12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution. David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television with vacuum tubes. Not quite the best analogy: Vacuum tubes do wear out, but COBOL does not. There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired centuries ago. Hyberbole notwithstanding, Prof. Farber apparently has not looked outside his own office recently. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone multiple. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: California's COBOL payroll system I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy. From this morning's New York Times: But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system - which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented Language - is so antiquated it would take months to make the changes to workers' checks. In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after 12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution. David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television with vacuum tubes. There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired centuries ago. John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:05:05 -0400, Joe Aulph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ++David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly ++equivalent to having âa television with vacuum tubes.â Mr Farber was probably teaching Pascal ( a widely used business programming language) when the rest of were in the trenches and probably couldn't find his way out of a BCT loop e... excuse me --- a PERFORM VARRYING loop. Joe Aulph, Senior Systems Programmer: 850-487-8945 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send him a note and tell him how you feel. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa...
In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:16:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so bad that my colleagues and I renamed it the SuckBee. Apparently it continues on doing a poor job at nearly everything. I lived in Alameda for about eight years and finally settled on the San Jose Mercury for Tech stuff and Oakland Tribune Sunday paper for sports and politics. For some reason we took Weekly World News at work or we got a subscription for meeting SLA's...long ago and far away. **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa...
In a message dated 8/5/2008 4:34:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Additionally, the payroll system is completely table-driven, for taxes and salaries, so this change should only take a short while to accomplish, not the six months asserted by controller John Chiang. When I read the first post by someone who assumed that Chiang was telling the truth, and therefore the taxes and salaries were hard-coded, I didn't believe Chiang either. The SuckBee is not the only source of extreme error here. Chiang, being a controller, is a political creature. All we know for sure is that he wants the public in California to believe that changing the programs cannot be done and is floating various reasons why, which wise readers should assume are bogus, exaggerations, or lies until proven otherwise by competent technical experts with no political agenda. Reading something like this makes one wonder about the veracity of all news reported. Political news is invariably at least 99% lies, rumor, innuendo, propaganda, disinformation, and/or garbage whether found in print or on the television (American TV, most especially). When I read text in IBM's Principles of Operations that explains how the Load Address instruction works, I believe it. When I see or hear political news I laugh. Prussian Prime Minister Prince Otto von Bismarck summed it up thus: “Never believe anything in politics, until it has been officially denied.” Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer. I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But, after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming language is almost irrelevant. The success/failure of any project begins and ends with top management. Blaming the programming language, workers, or phase of the moon bespeaks inept leadership. Just my $0.02 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system My posting of Farber's comments on COBOL was of course a provocation, and he was certainly guilty of hyperbole: I personally know a number of unretired COBOL programmers. That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. Carnegie-Mellon has procedures in place to ensure that no idiot becomes a full professor of computer science. They are filtered out at lower ranks.John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA _ NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
I think the New York Times reporter (and editor?) was probably not familiar with the reputation of the person he was interviewing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Farber Regards Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Wayne Driscoll Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone multiple. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't, teach. I've worked in an academic environment for 21 years (this hitch) Len Rugen In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. - Yogi Berra -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer. I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But, after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming language is almost irrelevant. The success/failure of any project begins and ends with top management. Blaming the programming language, workers, or phase of the moon bespeaks inept leadership. Just my $0.02 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Fw: Lotus Notes
Alan You still need client installed on PC?? - Forwarded by Ron Wells/AGFS/AGFin on 08/06/2008 09:48 AM - Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 08/06/2008 09:09 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Lotus Notes I'm using Notes on Red Hat now Alan Brown IBM Software Group From: Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 08/06/2008 09:57 AM Subject: Re: Lotus Notes Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC?? or is this just rumor... -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
GDG ERROR Message
Good Morning Gentle Readers, I am encounter the following error message when creating gdg G1000V00. The dsn is created succesfully. My question is what can I do so as not to received this error message? Do I need to manually create g0001v00 and start again? IGD07001I GDG ROLL IN ERROR - RETURN CODE 140 REASON CODE 122 MODULE IGG0CLEL. According to the explanation : 122 Explanation: Catalog G1000Vxx will cause the GDG to exceed the limit of 10,999. __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: California's COBOL payroll system I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy. From this morning's New York Times: But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system - which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented Language - is so antiquated it would take months to make the changes to workers' checks. In 2003, my office tried to see if we could reconfigure our system to do such a task, Mr. Chiang told a State Senate committee on Monday. And after 12 months, we stopped without a feasible solution. David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, said using Cobol was roughly equivalent to having a television with vacuum tubes. There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired centuries ago. John GilmoreAshland, MA 01721-1817USA _ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
Wayne Driscoll wrote: For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. Hmmm. Someone else posted [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where lies truth? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
I found both, the cmu.edu is from the main CMU faculty page, and the farber.net address is from the computer science college web site. Like many of us, I am sure that he has even more addresses. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system Wayne Driscoll wrote: For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. Hmmm. Someone else posted [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where lies truth? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Datasets with KEYs
Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
He just replied to my email to the .net address. Dave Thorn * Senior Technology Analyst * SunGard Computer Services * 600 Laurel Oak Road, Voorhees, NJ, 08043 Office 856 566-5412 * Mobile 609 781-0353 * Fax 856 566-3656 CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Driscoll Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system I found both, the cmu.edu is from the main CMU faculty page, and the farber.net address is from the computer science college web site. Like many of us, I am sure that he has even more addresses. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system Wayne Driscoll wrote: For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. Hmmm. Someone else posted [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where lies truth? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
john gilmore wrote: There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired centuries ago. COBOL was invented less than a century ago. And, millions of new lines of COBOL code are written every year. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
ISAM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
Chase, John wrote: Apparently the required/desired changes involve significantly more than just the numbers. That's what they want everyone to think. Their system seems quite capable of handling big fat pay raises every year. Why not pay decreases? And, what has COBOL got to do with it? Code is code. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
Not anymore... IBM plans to take the following actions effective with z/OS V1.7: Support for ISAM data sets will be withdrawn. When this support is withdrawn, you will no longer be able to process ISAM data sets other than to delete them. The ISAM Compatibility Interface will remain available to help you migrate applications to VSAM without application changes. Eric Spencer Neon Enterprise Software Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony B. Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Datasets with KEYs ISAM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path
You could check the migration actions from 1.7 to 1.9, then those for 1.9 to 1.10. That might let you go directly from 1.7 to 1.10, even though it wouldn't technically be supported. Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 migration path On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:19:51 -0700, Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo. All right mates, I must have missed that memo. Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order z/OS 1.9 now. I have no idea what your environment is like, but if it isn't a sysplex, you still may want to make the jump from 1.7 directly to 1.10. But if you can't, make sure you order 1.9 by October 27th 2008. This communication is from JPMorgan. Generally, this communication is for informational purposes only and it is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. In the event you are receiving the offering materials attached below related to your interest in hedge funds or private equity, this communication may be intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of such fund(s). All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to UK legal entities. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:36:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ISAM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill ISAM is not an IBM utility. It is an access method which is about to become seriously unsupported by IBM. I suspect you will have to write your own utility whose design is similar to that of IEBGENER; i.e., read one logical record using QSAM from the input file, add that record to the output buffer; repeat until the output buffer is full, then write it to the output file using BDAM (q.v.). Alas, there is no QDAM, so you have to do the blocking on the output side yourself. If ISAM were to continue to be supported, you could write the logical record to the output file using QISAM and your one-time special-purpose utility program would be simpler. But you will still need to write the utility program yourself. Or find it on the CBT, maybe. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
Depending on what you are trying to achieve there may be a couple of options. 1. ISPF tables 2. There is a standard API available through C/C++ Look at dbm_* api - (dbm_open,dbm_store,dbm_firstkey, etc) it implements keyed access in flat files. Eric -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Datasets with KEYs In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:36:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ISAM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill ISAM is not an IBM utility. It is an access method which is about to become seriously unsupported by IBM. I suspect you will have to write your own utility whose design is similar to that of IEBGENER; i.e., read one logical record using QSAM from the input file, add that record to the output buffer; repeat until the output buffer is full, then write it to the output file using BDAM (q.v.). Alas, there is no QDAM, so you have to do the blocking on the output side yourself. If ISAM were to continue to be supported, you could write the logical record to the output file using QISAM and your one-time special-purpose utility program would be simpler. But you will still need to write the utility program yourself. Or find it on the CBT, maybe. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert- review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
William Hecox wrote: Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys is BDAM, and you have to write your own code. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs - resend w/ correct reply-to
William Hecox wrote: Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys is BDAM, and you have to write your own code. Although Eric Spencer just replied with a couple of interesting alternatives. Still, I think you're out of luck for a utility. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
Having suggested ISAM, tongue in cheek, I should submit a serious proposal. Depending on the needs of your resulting application (maybe it's all batch ??) , any sequential disk file can have keys in a logical sense if you can exploit the features of DF/SORT and its SPLICE capability. Is there a possibility to create VSAM RRDS ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Datasets with KEYs William Hecox wrote: Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys is BDAM, and you have to write your own code. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS == == application developer toolkits. Sample code in four== == programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, == == bind and test. == == http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: cbt
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:09:04 +, ben lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to write a program that lists the csects of a program object and their properties, such as size, address, etc. Is there something I can use on the cbt tape? LISTIDR, FILE # 316? Rafa. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system Chase, John wrote: Apparently the required/desired changes involve significantly more than just the numbers. That's what they want everyone to think. Their system seems quite capable of handling big fat pay raises every year. Why not pay decreases? And, what has COBOL got to do with it? Code is code. -- Edward E Jaffe Well, yes and no. COBOL is fairly easy. There are very few idiomatic expressions. Many idiotic statements, but few idiomatic. [grin] But APL2 is indeed write only. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
AUTO: Martin Packer is out of the office. (returning 28/08/2008)
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Re: Datasets with KEYs
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill IMS? ISAM? BDAM? I'd say DB2 except that it uses VSAM as its backstore. Perhaps a bit more information would help. Why no VSAM? It ain't groovy, but it don't stink neither. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG
Miklos, DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be getting a corresponding ARC... error message. Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a program? If so, what is it? Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program (so that the DCB could be properly filled in with all attributes including DSORG)? Are these datasets referenced and actually used (open, read/write, close) in any production JCL? I suspect that you may be able to just delete these datasets. OTOH, if you have ProSMS (aka StopX37), you could use it to force open/close any dataset allocated in JCL that is not opened/closed by the executing program. That ensures a valid DSORG and the dataset now becomes a candidate for automatic DFHSM space management, incr. Backup and migration. Regards, Ulrich Krueger -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 02:41 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Migrate with undefined DSORG Hi Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's with DSORG=NONE (In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed ) -- Miklos Szigetvari Development Team ISIS Information Systems Gmbh tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our Website: http://www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:27:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Thinking about your query some more made me realize you didn't give us enough technical specifications to help you very much. E.g., what do you mean by populate? What do you mean by contains keys? Namely, will the data set be blocked or unblocked? If unblocked, you might even be able to use IEBGENER and specify the key location and offset through JCL. If blocked, then what does the block's key represent - the lowest key of any record in the block, the highest key of any record in the block, or something else? Must all the keys written onto the tracks be in ascending key sequence, descending, or is random OK? What will happen if there are two blocks somewhere in the data set with the same key? How will this data set be accessed after its creation? With what software and/or access method? What will said accessing programs do if a key is not found? What happens if a block is found with no key on the track? How long will this data set exist? How do you plan to back it up and restore it if necessary? Will it be automatically managed by some kind of archival system? I don't expect answers to all of these, but you definitely need to think about these issues. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? No one asked, so I dare: WHY? Why do you need it? What do you want to do? Having no-VSAM dataset with keys is definitely not a business goal. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG
Hi Thank you Ulrich Krueger wrote: Miklos, DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be getting a corresponding ARC... error message. Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a program? If so, what is it? Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program (so that the DCB could be properly filled in with all attributes including DSORG)? This is the case. The datasets only allocated, but never opened, and as I don't see the users intention, I don't want to delete them. Are these datasets referenced and actually used (open, read/write, close) in any production JCL? I suspect that you may be able to just delete these datasets. OTOH, if you have ProSMS (aka StopX37), you could use it to force open/close any dataset allocated in JCL that is not opened/closed by the executing program. That ensures a valid DSORG and the dataset now becomes a candidate for automatic DFHSM space management, incr. Backup and migration. We don't have this ProSMS (Is it a freeware ? ) We have a utility which processes the DCOLLECT outputs, I will try to insert here to open this dataset's Regards, Ulrich Krueger -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 02:41 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Migrate with undefined DSORG Hi Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's with DSORG=NONE (In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed ) -- Miklos Szigetvari Development Team ISIS Information Systems Gmbh tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our Website: http://www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OPCA/TWS LIstserver and/or opinions required
I'll chime in here. There is a Yahoo Group called TWS_GSE (European based but active). There is also a US based group called ASAP - you can visit the website at http://twsuser.org. This is a very active stateside group - there is also a forum built into the website. Hope this helps. And Skip give a Hello to Bruce Elder from me ... :-) Regards Brian Fitzgibbon SEGUS Inc (800)-327-9650 www.segus.com http://www.segus.com/ For support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Skip Robinson wrote: I'm not the TWS guy here, but I've received a couple of email notes about a TWS Newsletter. Here's the URL: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=203uid=swg27012829 . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy corpes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM To Mainframe IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Discussion Listcc [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Subject OPCA/TWS LIstserver and/or opinions required 07/30/2008 02:17 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Hi Group, Does anyone know of a listserv group dedicated to OPCA? Meanwhile, i'll ask my question here for any OPCA users out there. My current client has decided to deal with conditional batch job processing by using OCL to change the workstation id's of certain operations. I.e the run a step to check if data exists, then if it does, they will use OCL to one or more of the remaining operations in the application to use an executing workstation, if there is no data, the operations do not run. Maybe i'm showing my dinosaur teeth with this, but it just does not feel correct, i can think of other more traditional ways of achieving the same result, and in my opinion, dynamically updating the current plan introduces other challenges, and if nothing else, makes forecasting difficult. What do others OPCA users think about dynamically updating the current plan for any reason? -- Andy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rugen, Len There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't, teach. Government corollary (also applicable to academia): Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach. And those who can't teach, administrate. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
---snip--- And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone multiple. -unsnip--- Don't even get me started on the woes of the education system here. When second-graders are permitted to use calculators for arithmetic (As they are here!) Common sense is becomming a very uncommon virtue. In California, I think it's already extinct. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
snip- As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer. I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But, after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming language is almost irrelevant. The success/failure of any project begins and ends with top management. Blaming the programming language, workers, or phase of the moon bespeaks inept leadership. -unsnip--- I agree 100%. Unfortunately, too many organizations depend on a college degree, rather than any demonstration of good sense or experience. Any dummy with a MBA (which really means very little) can get a job in management of nearly any organization, all too often to the ultimate detriment of his/her employers. The shekel counters and the lawyers have done irreparable harm, and continue to do so, to the detriment of those of us who actually are qualified (by experience) and WANT to do a good job. Personal pride in doing a good job is now secondary to fancy paper that means nothing in the real world. I still believe in discrimination; based on ability to do the job. Does that make me some sort of pariah??? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman ---snip--- And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone multiple. -unsnip--- Don't even get me started on the woes of the education system here. When second-graders are permitted to use calculators for arithmetic (As they are here!) Common sense is becomming a very uncommon virtue. In California, I think it's already extinct. Indeed, I think common sense has replaced military intelligence as the prototypical oxymoron. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
---snip--- There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't, teach. I've worked in an academic environment for 21 years (this hitch) -unsnip- Sort of like when a baseball player's eyes go bad; they make him an umpire. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OPCA/TWS LIstserver and/or opinions required
I'll chime in here. There is a Yahoo Group called TWS_GSE (European based but active). There is also a US based group called ASAP - you can visit the website at http://twsuser.org. This is a very active stateside group - there is also a forum built into the website. Hope this helps. And Skip give a Hello to Bruce Elder from me ... :-) Regards Brian Fitzgibbon SEGUS Inc (800)-327-9650 www.segus.com http://www.segus.com/ For support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Skip Robinson wrote: I'm not the TWS guy here, but I've received a couple of email notes about a TWS Newsletter. Here's the URL: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=203uid=swg27012829 . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy corpes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM To Mainframe IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Discussion Listcc [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Subject OPCA/TWS LIstserver and/or opinions required 07/30/2008 02:17 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Hi Group, Does anyone know of a listserv group dedicated to OPCA? Meanwhile, i'll ask my question here for any OPCA users out there. My current client has decided to deal with conditional batch job processing by using OCL to change the workstation id's of certain operations. I.e the run a step to check if data exists, then if it does, they will use OCL to one or more of the remaining operations in the application to use an executing workstation, if there is no data, the operations do not run. Maybe i'm showing my dinosaur teeth with this, but it just does not feel correct, i can think of other more traditional ways of achieving the same result, and in my opinion, dynamically updating the current plan introduces other challenges, and if nothing else, makes forecasting difficult. What do others OPCA users think about dynamically updating the current plan for any reason? -- Andy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Brian Fitzgibbon SEGUS Inc (800)-327-9650 www.segus.com http://www.segus.com/ For support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other
Re: Datasets with KEYs
NO. BDAM; at least it's got SOME form of support, whereas ISAM has been dead for about 25 years. -- Tony B. wrote: ISAM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Hecox Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Datasets with KEYs Hi, I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG
snip Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's with DSORG=NONE (In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed ) unsnip Just create a minimal Dclass for all DSN and HSM will be happy. But if they're not opened, HSM will migrate them BUT not back them up, so no expire unless the bit is on! Non SMS has Dclass too Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG
Miklos, The product I mentioned, ProSMS (StopX37), has been around as a vendor product for many years, even before IBM's DFSMS was born. If you want more information about it, see BMC MAINVIEW Allocation (that's its current name). In a big, traditional non-SMS shop, where I have worked, this product has been a lifesaver for many years, controlling DASD dataset allocations, preventing Sx37 - abends and doing other space management functions under the covers that make life of a storage admin a lot easier. IMHO, the only things you can do with undefined DSORG datasets are (1) throw them away ... make that a DASD management policy: if undefined DSORG, delete after 7 days (or so). (2) change them after x days unused to force DSORG=PS and then let your normal space management processes handle them / dispose of them (archive, expire, etc). The PDS program on CBT tape has a function which allows the dataset's DSORG to be set to PS. There might be others, too. Regards, Ulrich Krueger -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 09:38 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrate with undefined DSORG Hi Thank you Ulrich Krueger wrote: Miklos, DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be getting a corresponding ARC... error message. Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a program? If so, what is it? Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program (so that the DCB could be properly filled in with all attributes including DSORG)? This is the case. The datasets only allocated, but never opened, and as I don't see the users intention, I don't want to delete them. Are these datasets referenced and actually used (open, read/write, close) in any production JCL? I suspect that you may be able to just delete these datasets. OTOH, if you have ProSMS (aka StopX37), you could use it to force open/close any dataset allocated in JCL that is not opened/closed by the executing program. That ensures a valid DSORG and the dataset now becomes a candidate for automatic DFHSM space management, incr. Backup and migration. We don't have this ProSMS (Is it a freeware ? ) We have a utility which processes the DCOLLECT outputs, I will try to insert here to open this dataset's Regards, Ulrich Krueger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
At the government agency where I work and at others that I know of, in Wasington DC and in Baltimore area there are plenty of programmers still writing COBOL programs -- Original message from Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman -- And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science Professor, since COBOL hasn't even existed for one century, let alone multiple. Don't even get me started on the woes of the education system here. When second-graders are permitted to use calculators for arithmetic (As they are here!) Common sense is becomming a very uncommon virtue. In California, I think it's already extinct. Indeed, I think common sense has replaced military intelligence as the prototypical oxymoron. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Datasets with KEYs
-snip I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS. Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this? --unsnip-- If you could supply a bit more background/detail information, we might be able to help you make a better decision. Why NON-VSAM ?? Nearly all high-level programming languages now support VSAM reasonably well. If you're willing to write in Assembler, you might consider BDAM. Loading it is fairly straightforward but usage could present problems to high-level languages. We realy need to understanding the underlying needs to make a valid and usable recommendation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. If not, he makes idiotic comments. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: a little confusion of XMS
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/06/2008 04:24:17 AM: After reading up on Extended Addressability Guide ,I am confused on ASN resue issue. According to the book,if address space owns a spaces switch ET and connect it to the system lx,then this address space's ASID is not reusable for the duration of IPL. This is because other address space could pass control to code running in the address space that reused this ASID.My question is: 1. Before service provider(owner of ET) termination, the ET was usually destroyed(ETDES PURGE=YES), How could the other address space pass control to PC running in the address space which reused the service provider's ASID. How could this happen? Destruction of the ET prevents a subsequent PC from establishing a bind to the ASID. But it does not prevent a workunit which previously issued the PC from being dispatched with that ASID as PASN or SASN. Furthermore, it does not prevent a subsequent PR or PT instruction from establishing a bind to the ASID. 2. does ASN-reuse-facility have something to do with it,how the ASN- reuse-facility remedy the potential system integrality problem. I searched for a couple days but can't find more information,so could you please explain more details for me. thanks The ASN-reuse-facility introduces the concept of an address space instance number. When the ASID is reused, the instance number is incremented, so that the ASID/Instance Number combination remains unique. Starting with z/OS 1.9, the ASN-reuse-facility can be used to reuse formerly non-reusable ASIDs via the REUSASID=YES parameter on the START command or ATTR=REUSASID on the ASCRE macro. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
The same story from the nytimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/06computer.html?_r=1oref=slogin with a twist: quote Even before his remarks to the Legislature, Mr. Chiang, a Democrat, had made no secret of his dislike for the order by Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, saying he would refuse to follow it even if the state's computers could handle the job. The governor, in turn, has threatened to sue Mr. Chiang to force the pay cuts, saying Mr. Chiang was violating a 2003 California court decision mandating that state employees take minimum wage if the Legislature does not pass a budget. /quote -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fw: Lotus Notes
I'm using the client, but there is a web interface as well - I have not used it other than to see if it worked. Alan Brown IBM Software Group Optim IT Specialist 706.462.2249 [office] 706.639.3177 [cell] From: Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 08/06/2008 10:49 AM Subject: Fw: Lotus Notes Alan You still need client installed on PC?? - Forwarded by Ron Wells/AGFS/AGFin on 08/06/2008 09:48 AM - Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 08/06/2008 09:09 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Lotus Notes I'm using Notes on Red Hat now Alan Brown IBM Software Group From: Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 08/06/2008 09:57 AM Subject: Re: Lotus Notes Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC?? or is this just rumor... -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/06/2008 10:31:58 AM: That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. If not, he makes idiotic comments. Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. If not, he makes idiotic comments. Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it. I didn't catch it, either. This kind of comment directly affects my livelihood, when PHB's read, and believe. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a political posturing issue. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system The same story from the nytimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/06computer.html?_r=1oref=slogin with a twist: quote Even before his remarks to the Legislature, Mr. Chiang, a Democrat, had made no secret of his dislike for the order by Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, saying he would refuse to follow it even if the state's computers could handle the job. The governor, in turn, has threatened to sue Mr. Chiang to force the pay cuts, saying Mr. Chiang was violating a 2003 California court decision mandating that state employees take minimum wage if the Legislature does not pass a budget. /quote -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
.re I agree 100%. Unfortunately, too many organizations depend on a college degree, rather than any demonstration of good sense or experience. Any dummy with a MBA (which really means very little) can get a job in management of nearly any organization This reminds me of a contract I did once back in the 80's. Although I was not qualified enough to be hired by a certain company because I did not have a college degree, I was qualified enough to charge them an arm and a leg to teach their BA's and MBA's how to write software, in COBOL no less, how to read dumps, how to design software, how to code JCL, heck, how to think!etc... While I was a bit ticked when they turned me down for a fulltime job, the year before, I felt vindicated when they had to contract with me to teach those that were more educated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a political posturing issue. But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Well, don't include me in your we. I didn't elect them. I moved to Texas in 1983. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: California's COBOL payroll system -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a political posturing issue. But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In other words, you got out in time? Or before it got worse? g On Wed Aug 6 13:55 , Tom Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Well, don't include me in your we. I didn't elect them. I moved to Texas in 1983. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us? We have to elect somebody! The best of a bad bunch? Q: What's the difference between a politician and a prostitute? A: A politician does it to a million people at the same time. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Well that means this November we have the chance, responsibility, to put in a new set of clowns. Yet another strong argument for term limits.. Joe A, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Re: California's COBOL payroll system 08/06/2008 02:52 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a political posturing issue. But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us? We have to elect somebody! Actually, we don't. There is no _requirement_ to vote in the U.S. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
