Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
On 1 Sep 2009 22:51:02 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: A while ago I mentioned on this forum that a friend of mine works for a company that is considering a conversion from DB2 on z/OS to Oracle on z/Linux. I asked if anyone had any opinions on this, and Frank Swarbrick pointed out that Oracle Access Manager (which is the link between z/OS and z/Linux) has been finalized at version 10.2. I passed this information on to my friend who passed it on to his management, and as a result they are no longer interested in this option (many thanks to Frank for saving them going on a wild goose chase!). Just to clarify any confusion that might result here, Oracle will be supporting the current 10.2 release of its z/OS product (including Access Managers for CICS and IMS) _indefinitely_, including testing with new releases of z/OS, CICS, IMS, and of the Oracle database (running on other platforms, such as z/Linux). Customers with questions about this should contact Barry Perkins, VP Oracle Modernization Oracle Integrated Solutions, at 650 506 2747 or email barry.perk...@oracle.com. Barry has been involved in Oracle's MVS products for many years and understands the issues involved. /b -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. I understand that OAM will continue to be supported, but not enhanced. If a new feature of the Oracle database requires an update to the OAM, it means applications running on z/OS would not be able to use the new Oracle feature. Is that correct? If so, it's hard to imagine that any company using z/OS would consider using Oracle as the database. Oracle obviously knows this, so in essence it seems they've given up on the z/OS platform. Would you agree with this? Out of curiosity, can you shed any light on why this decision was made; e.g. economical, political, technical, etc? Thanks, Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:20:43 -0700 From: bill.ma...@oracle.com Subject: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux] To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On 1 Sep 2009 22:51:02 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: A while ago I mentioned on this forum that a friend of mine works for a company that is considering a conversion from DB2 on z/OS to Oracle on z/Linux. I asked if anyone had any opinions on this, and Frank Swarbrick pointed out that Oracle Access Manager (which is the link between z/OS and z/Linux) has been finalized at version 10.2. I passed this information on to my friend who passed it on to his management, and as a result they are no longer interested in this option (many thanks to Frank for saving them going on a wild goose chase!). Just to clarify any confusion that might result here, Oracle will be supporting the current 10.2 release of its z/OS product (including Access Managers for CICS and IMS) _indefinitely_, including testing with new releases of z/OS, CICS, IMS, and of the Oracle database (running on other platforms, such as z/Linux). Customers with questions about this should contact Barry Perkins, VP Oracle Modernization Oracle Integrated Solutions, at 650 506 2747 or email barry.perk...@oracle.com. Barry has been involved in Oracle's MVS products for many years and understands the issues involved. /b -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
On 8 Sep 2009 12:37:11 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. I understand that OAM will continue to be supported, but not enhanced. If a new feature of the Oracle database requires an update to the OAM, it means applications running on z/OS would not be able to use the new Oracle feature. Is that correct? If so, it's hard to imagine that any company using z/OS would consider using Oracle as the database. Oracle obviously knows this, so in essence it seems they've given up on the z/OS platform. Would you agree with this? Out of curiosity, can you shed any light on why this decision was made; e.g. economical, political, technical, etc? Dave (and IBM-Main), The first point is true only for Oracle database features that involve client API and/or precompiler changes. The majority of new database features do not involve such changes i.e. they are available via existing SQL and PL/SQL execution mechanisms. It's probably inappropriate for me (a developer) to suggest the reasons for realigning our database strategy on z/OS. Barry would be the person to ask...drop him a note. I definitely think giving up on the platform is not quite right. Regards, /b -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS [was: Convert DB2 on z/OS to UDB on z/Linux]
I may be misremembering, but when we talked to Oracle about what would and would not be supported I seem to recall that there was no guaruntee that Oracle would support even connecting the z/OS Oracle 10.2 client to more than one version up. In other words, connecting to a version 11 server is supported, but connecting to a version 12 server (whenever that is released) may or may not be supported. Does this sound correct? If so, this means that any Oracle server supporting z/OS clients could not be upgraded beyond version 11. Not a desirable situation, I think. Personally I think a good compromise would be for Oracle to stabilize only the server code, but to keep up with client code (including the batch and online Access Manager components). Unfortunately Oracle appears to have ruled that out... Frank On 9/8/2009 at 3:49 PM, in message 4aa6d14e.7000...@oracle.com, Bill Manry bill.ma...@oracle.com wrote: On 8 Sep 2009 12:37:11 -0700, ds...@hotmail.com (Dave Salt) wrote: Hi Bill, Thanks for the info. I understand that OAM will continue to be supported, but not enhanced. If a new feature of the Oracle database requires an update to the OAM, it means applications running on z/OS would not be able to use the new Oracle feature. Is that correct? If so, it's hard to imagine that any company using z/OS would consider using Oracle as the database. Oracle obviously knows this, so in essence it seems they've given up on the z/OS platform. Would you agree with this? Out of curiosity, can you shed any light on why this decision was made; e.g. economical, political, technical, etc? Dave (and IBM-Main), The first point is true only for Oracle database features that involve client API and/or precompiler changes. The majority of new database features do not involve such changes i.e. they are available via existing SQL and PL/SQL execution mechanisms. It's probably inappropriate for me (a developer) to suggest the reasons for realigning our database strategy on z/OS. Barry would be the person to ask...drop him a note. I definitely think giving up on the platform is not quite right. Regards, /b -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The information contained in this electronic communication and any document attached hereto or transmitted herewith is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any examination, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy this communication. Thank you. -- Frank Swarbrick Applications Architect - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO USA P: 303-235-1403 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Any help for Oracle on z/OS 1.8?
I'm installing z/OS 1.8 on my sandbox. Our Oracle DBA person is testing it. I know nothing about Oracle. He says it worked fine on z/OS 1.6. He is getting the following: quote * TOP OF DATA ** SQL*Plus: Release 10.2.0.2.0 - Production on Wed Sep 5 09:50:03 2007 Copyright (c) 1982, 2005, Oracle. All Rights Reserved. SQL SQL Connected to an idle instance. SQL ORA-03135: connection lost contact SQL Disconnected BOTTOM OF DATA The description for the error is as follows, ORA-03135: connection lost contact Either your server connection was terminated unexpectedly or your server timed out the connection. Check if the SQLNET.INBOUND_CONNECT_TIMEOUT in sqlnet.ora is not set too low. If this is not a problem, check if you have firewall issues. Some routers are set up to clean up idle TCP connections. We are not using SQLNET.ORA file in our configuration. Infact I am issuing the mount command via JCL which should not use the oracle net services, it should be using the Z/OS XM service (Z/OS cross memory). I have no clue about XM services, Could please take a look at the XM services and see if there is a timeout for connections? Appreciate your help. /quote As best as I can see, there are no error messages in the MVS SYSLOG. I have no idea where to look or what to do to address this. Is anybody else out there running Oracle on z/OS 1.8 (or on z/OS any release)? I'm going to ask that he contact Oracle. I cannot as I don't have any access. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any help for Oracle on z/OS 1.8?
Don't you just hate people who answer their own questions? The problem was actually an S0C4-10 in an LE program: EDCEXTVR in module CEEEV003 in CEE.SCEELPA. Then, something clicked that was mentioned here about C programs and XPLINK(ON) now being the default in z/OS 1.8. I put an XPLINK(OFF) in the PARM= on the program and am getting different Oracle errors. Anybody seen anything like: quote SQL*Plus: Release 10.2.0.2.0 - Production on Wed Sep 5 12:32:03 2007 Copyright (c) 1982, 2005, Oracle. All Rights Reserved. ERROR: ORA-01034: ORACLE not available ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist ORA-27101 /quote -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any help for Oracle on z/OS 1.8?
Absolutely not! I hate people who answer their own questions and do not tell us what they found out. At least your findings will keep several of us looking for that default change when silly problems show up. Thanks! On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:41:59 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you just hate people who answer their own questions? The problem was actually an S0C4-10 in an LE program: EDCEXTVR in module CEEEV003 in CEE.SCEELPA. Then, something clicked that was mentioned here about C programs and XPLINK(ON) now being the default in z/OS 1.8. I put an XPLINK(OFF) in the PARM= on the program and am getting different Oracle errors. Anybody seen anything like: quote SQL*Plus: Release 10.2.0.2.0 - Production on Wed Sep 5 12:32:03 2007 Copyright (c) 1982, 2005, Oracle. All Rights Reserved. ERROR: ORA-01034: ORACLE not available ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist ORA-27101 /quote -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any help for Oracle on z/OS 1.8?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Any help for Oracle on z/OS 1.8? Don't you just hate people who answer their own questions? Well, I once again show my ignorance of Oracle. Turns out those messages are normal until the DBA does his magic to start up the actual databases. Much thanks to all and sorry for the chatter. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Hey DB2 floks, If anyone would like to start a DB2-L group I would be glad to make a try at hosting it on one of my servers. What's wrong with [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently has 3002 subscribers Did you perhaps mean to offer to host an Oracle list? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Oracle on z/OS
Does anyone know of a discussion forum or listserv specifically for Oracle on z/OS? Thanks Matt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Dazzo Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Oracle on z/OS Does anyone know of a discussion forum or listserv specifically for Oracle on z/OS? Thanks Matt Don't I wish! I would love something like DB2-L! The best that I've found, and it is moribund, is a Web site: http://www.zseriesoraclesig.org/ -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS
Yeah, I found that site and that's why I'm asking for additional possibilities. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/1/2006 3:36:26 PM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Dazzo Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Oracle on z/OS Does anyone know of a discussion forum or listserv specifically for Oracle on z/OS? Thanks Matt Don't I wish! I would love something like DB2-L! The best that I've found, and it is moribund, is a Web site: http://www.zseriesoraclesig.org/ -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS
Hey DB2 floks, If anyone would like to start a DB2-L group I would be glad to make a try at hosting it on one of my servers. It wouldn't be fancy, just a plain old listserv and if catches on the I would get some professional listserve software like L-soft...I think that's the name. Anyway, let me know, I could have things running in lets say 3 days. --- McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Dazzo Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Oracle on z/OS Does anyone know of a discussion forum or listserv specifically for Oracle on z/OS? Thanks Matt Don't I wish! I would love something like DB2-L! The best that I've found, and it is moribund, is a Web site: http://www.zseriesoraclesig.org/ -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS
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Re: Oracle on z/OS
Yeah, I found that site and that's why I'm asking for additional possibilities. Thanks Oracle Metalink contains a technical forum for the IBM z/OS platform. Steve Runtsch ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Oracle on z/OS
In a message dated 11/1/2006 5:04:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Already a DB2-L newsgroup Yes. Well moderated and populated with developers. It has saved my bacon numerous times. In retrospect maybe they OP meant a DB2 like list for ORACLE? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
