Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-23 Thread Howard Brazee
On 22 May 2008 02:30:37 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Schwarz,
Barry A) wrote:

So a fifty message thread about stupid practical jokes is sufficiently
topical for you but a three message thread about CSI severely degrades
the S/N ratio of the list?

Some of this discussion actually can help us with our job skills -
with good results.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
So a fifty message thread about stupid practical jokes is sufficiently
topical for you but a three message thread about CSI severely degrades
the S/N ratio of the list?

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I'm surprised at how many people missed the point of this blog post.
The blogger was correct.
We have lost our sense of humour.

Did anybody read the disclaimer?

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
Back in the days of 3277 consoles I used to switch the bright and volume 
buttons on the main console. I'd turn the volume all the way up and then 
stand back and wait for an alert that rang the bell. Ah, a rudely awakened 
(from console stupor) operator was fun to watch.



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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
If that many people misunderstood, it was the author that failed, not the 
readers.

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I'm surprised at how many people missed the point of this blog post.
The blogger was correct.
We have lost our sense of humour.

Did anybody read the disclaimer?


[Update: For those of you who missed the tongue in cheek nature of this 
post, it is in fact, a joke. Please don’t try this at work. — Matt 
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Chase, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Brazee
 
 On 21 May 2008 12:43:34 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Leahy) wrote:
 
 The PL had PFK10 set up as CANCEL.  This screwed me up 
 because my own 
 userid had PFK10 set up as SAVE.  After losing several rounds of 
 changes by hitting CANCEL when I meant SAVE, I changed the 
 PL's PFK10 
 setting to match the one I was accustomed to.
 
 I limit my Fkey function changes to changes that won't mess others up.
 This can mean in SDSF I have commands for Shift-7  shift-8 that
 correspond with the default 7  8.   And my shift-swap work with swap
 options.
 
 The only one that is real different is F12 because I need a 
 key for recall.
 
 The most common command people (I have seen) have different 
 from that does a Submit.

That's the limit of my customization:  F9 is mapped to SWAP NEXT,
Shift+F9 is SWAP PREV, Shift+F7, 8, 10 and 11 map to MAX UP, MAX DOWN,
MAX LEFT and MAX RIGHT respectively, and Shift+F5 is SUBMIT.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Richard Bond
BYPASSNQ   (ha-ha)

 Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/21/2008 12:58 PM 

On Wed, 21 May 2008 12:50:42 -0400, Richards, Robert B.
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As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
jokes are neither practical nor a joke.


What, you don't see the humor in trying to delete SYS1.LINKLIB (don't worry,
the ENQ will protect you on this one)?   :-)

I sort of like the idea of re-mapping the keyboard for the guy in the cube
that sits next to me.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
I like this one...messages in Vulcan that no one else can read.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Jim Harrison
In a similar vein - someone at my shop in the 80's discovered you could use 
TPUT to send messages to other terminals sans userid.  Further, combined with 
an ability to read qsam files, one of which contained the text of a symptom 
dump, the resulting confusion from unsuspecting TSO users was quite 
entertaining.



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Now THAT is funny...


On Wed May 21 13:16 , Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once wrote a 
program called IJKEFT01 whose sole purpose in life was to just ATTACH 
IKJEFT01 *unless* it was the target userid in which case it also ATTACHed an 
extra TCB that randomly generated strange abends at random intervals.

Cue frantic hunting through manuals and head scratching of the affected user.

Made me smile.


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Richards, Robert B. wrote:
 As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
 jokes are neither practical nor a joke.


Jokes or not, I was ROTFLMAO! And, based on the first comment posted, I guess 
that means I should be locked up! :-D

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread John P Kalinich
Jim Harrison of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
wrote on 05/22/2008 10:39:01 AM:

 In a similar vein - someone at my shop in the 80's discovered you
 could use TPUT to send messages to other terminals sans userid.
 Further, combined with an ability to read qsam files, one of which
 contained the text of a symptom dump, the resulting confusion from
 unsuspecting TSO users was quite entertaining.


At one time, you could issue SENDs in TSO batch sans userid.

Regards,
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Matthew Stitt
I remember an article in Computer World around the early 1990's about
American Airlines getting wrecked by the volume initialization joke.  It
was not a joke, but lack of finger checking that cause several disks of
DB2 data, etc to be initialized instead of a bunch of new disk recently
installed.  Took them several days to get everything back together.

On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:29:34 -0500, Dave Kopischke
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:28:25 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

I'm surprised at how many people missed the point of this blog post.
The blogger was correct.
We have lost our sense of humour.

Did anybody read the disclaimer?


[Update: For those of you who missed the tongue in cheek nature of this
post, it is in fact, a joke. Please don’t try this at work. — Matt Stansberry,
Editor]


I think they added that after they got a bunch of negative responses. Maybe
they should have increased the font. Maybe they should have added laugh
here tags.

But I also agree that most of those aren't particularly funny. The remapping of
the key board was safe and humorous though.


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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:28:25 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

I'm surprised at how many people missed the point of this blog post.
The blogger was correct.
We have lost our sense of humour.

Did anybody read the disclaimer?


[Update: For those of you who missed the tongue in cheek nature of this 
post, it is in fact, a joke. Please don’t try this at work. — Matt Stansberry, 
Editor]


I think they added that after they got a bunch of negative responses. Maybe 
they should have increased the font. Maybe they should have added laugh 
here tags.

But I also agree that most of those aren't particularly funny. The remapping of 
the key board was safe and humorous though.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread McKown, John
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 I remember an article in Computer World around the early 1990's about
 American Airlines getting wrecked by the volume 
 initialization joke.  It
 was not a joke, but lack of finger checking that cause 
 several disks of
 DB2 data, etc to be initialized instead of a bunch of new 
 disk recently
 installed.  Took them several days to get everything back together.

And thus was born the VERIFY(oldvolser) parameter? We had an open
system DASD person who claimed to have z/OS knowledge and wanted more
responsibility. This sounded like a good thing. But when asked about
using this parameter on an INIT, he basically said he wouldn't be
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Edward Jaffe

Dave Kopischke wrote:
But I also agree that most of those aren't particularly funny. The remapping of 
the key board was safe and humorous though.
  


Especially when one of the keys was remapped to issue TSO DELETE 
important.data.set.name O:-)


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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
At one time, you could issue SENDs in TSO batch sans userid.

I believe you still can in an ACF2 shop, but it's been almost 5 years since I 
worked in one.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But I also agree that most of those aren't particularly funny. The remapping 
of the key board was safe and humorous though.

Actually (tongue in cheek, or not), I didn't find the article amusing, at all.
What I found funny was all the negative responses.

Some people need (less boring) lives.
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Arthur Gutowski
Yeah, back in the days when the lines between Operators, SysProgs, and 
AppsProgs were a little more blurred, my father helped his IT department fix 
the access rules for SYS1.LINKLIB in this manner...

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I remember an article in Computer World around the early 1990's about American 
Airlines getting wrecked by the volume initialization joke.

In the days before LLA, I had a system programmer supporting TSOMON.
And, he didn't even know that it was in the link list.
Needless to say, after re-orging, deleting, re-defining, deleting again, the 
system was so bolluxed up that an IPL was required.
Of course, the IPL wasn't successful, due to the missing link list library.
After many hours of work, we were back.
It was a single system environment.

Of course, that didn't get him fired.

That happened when he modified some IDMS maintenance JCL to work 'better'.
Production IDMS wouldn't come up.

We found the problem.
Link Edits (3) with no entry points defined.

So much for the 'experienced' SYSPROG.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-22 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Thu, 22 May 2008 20:01:30 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

But I also agree that most of those aren't particularly funny. The remapping 
of the key board was safe and humorous though.

Actually (tongue in cheek, or not), I didn't find the article amusing, at all.
What I found funny was all the negative responses.


Actually, I thought many of the responses on IBM-MAIN were more humorous 
and less harmful (Except for the chads in the eye sub-thread. I could have 
done without that one). Maybe in the future they'll post a question here first 
and then write about the responses ???

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Richards, Robert B.
As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
jokes are neither practical nor a joke.

Bob 

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PRACTICAL JOKES FOR MAINFRAME SYSTEMS PROGRAMMERS
http://go.techtarget.com/r/3694490/765893
Robert Crawford, Contributor

Work has gotten too serious. Between the demand for 100% availability
and the need to do more with fewer people, there is little room for
those water-cooler moments we used to enjoy. It's time to revive joy
in the workplace and build team spirit. This column suggests some
practical jokes that will engender mirth and leave everyone in
stitches.

READ THE FULL STORY
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 May 2008 12:50:42 -0400, Richards, Robert B.
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As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
jokes are neither practical nor a joke.


What, you don't see the humor in trying to delete SYS1.LINKLIB (don't worry,
the ENQ will protect you on this one)?   :-)

I sort of like the idea of re-mapping the keyboard for the guy in the cube
that sits next to me.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Ask the person that was the object of the joke if they thought it was
funny. Hey, I like a good joke as much as the next person, but these did
not hit my funny bone for some reason.

Bob

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As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
jokes are neither practical nor a joke.


What, you don't see the humor in trying to delete SYS1.LINKLIB (don't
worry,
the ENQ will protect you on this one)?   :-)

I sort of like the idea of re-mapping the keyboard for the guy in the
cube
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Rob Scott
I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once wrote a 
program called IJKEFT01 whose sole purpose in life was to just ATTACH 
IKJEFT01 *unless* it was the target userid in which case it also ATTACHed an 
extra TCB that randomly generated strange abends at random intervals.

Cue frantic hunting through manuals and head scratching of the affected user.

Made me smile.


Rob Scott
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Richards, Robert B. wrote:
 As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
 jokes are neither practical nor a joke.


Jokes or not, I was ROTFLMAO! And, based on the first comment posted, I guess 
that means I should be locked up! :-D

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Richards, Robert B.
I smiled when I read them, but then the adult inside me kicked in his
two cents and decided that to actually do these jokes would not be
funny.  

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Richards, Robert B. wrote:
 As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
 jokes are neither practical nor a joke.
   

Jokes or not, I was ROTFLMAO! And, based on the first comment posted, I 
guess that means I should be locked up! :-D

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread McKown, John
Well, other than the 3270 remapping, the rest can result in severe
problems and possible termination. The last, reinitializing a DBMS
volume actually happened to me. Well, it was a DB2 system (not data)
volume which somehow got the CA-1 TMC allocated on it. The DBA backed up
the volume, made some changes, and then restored it. This wiped out a
lot of TMC updates. Luckily, we detected this early and recovered from
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:06:04 -0400 Richards, Robert B.
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:Ask the person that was the object of the joke if they thought it was
:funny. Hey, I like a good joke as much as the next person, but these did
:not hit my funny bone for some reason.

He should have password protected his session.

Very bad idea to walk away while remaining signed on.

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:As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
:jokes are neither practical nor a joke.

:What, you don't see the humor in trying to delete SYS1.LINKLIB (don't
:worry,
:the ENQ will protect you on this one)?   :-)

:I sort of like the idea of re-mapping the keyboard for the guy in the
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
I had to ask myself it they were a potential CLM. (career limiting move) 



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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Chase, John
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 As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these 
 practical jokes are neither practical nor a joke.

Indeed.  Remapping somebody's keyboard might be harmless enough, but
from there the jokes descend to real and serious crime.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Gary Green
Now THAT is funny...


 On Wed May 21 13:16 , Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once wrote a 
program called IJKEFT01 whose sole purpose in life was to just ATTACH 
IKJEFT01 *unless* it was the target userid in which case it also ATTACHed an 
extra TCB that randomly generated strange abends at random intervals.

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Made me smile.


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Richards, Robert B. wrote:
 As someone already commented on Tech Target website, these practical
 jokes are neither practical nor a joke.


Jokes or not, I was ROTFLMAO! And, based on the first comment posted, I guess 
that means I should be locked up! :-D

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Edward Jaffe

Rob Scott wrote:

I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once wrote a program called 
IJKEFT01 whose sole purpose in life was to just ATTACH IKJEFT01 *unless* it was the 
target userid in which case it also ATTACHed an extra TCB that randomly generated 
strange abends at random intervals.
  


In school, *someone* wrote a program called FUN that simulated the 
command prompt of the interactive system we used. FUN was a simple 
program that waited for some input from the user, wrote an exact replica 
of the message that would appear when an unrecognized command was issued 
(similar to IKJ56500I COMMAND x NOT FOUND in TSO/E), and then 
re-issued the prompt and looped back to wait for more input. Watching 
people's reactions, while FUN was running, was FUN! :-D


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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Gary Green
Ah..., someone, huh...? ;-)


 On Wed May 21 11:00 , Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

Rob Scott wrote:
 I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once wrote 
 a program called IJKEFT01 whose sole purpose in life was to just ATTACH 
 IKJEFT01 *unless* it was the target userid in which case it also ATTACHed 
 an extra TCB that randomly generated strange abends at random intervals.
   

In school, *someone* wrote a program called FUN that simulated the 
command prompt of the interactive system we used. FUN was a simple 
program that waited for some input from the user, wrote an exact replica 
of the message that would appear when an unrecognized command was issued 
(similar to IKJ56500I COMMAND x NOT FOUND in TSO/E), and then 
re-issued the prompt and looped back to wait for more input. Watching 
people's reactions, while FUN was running, was FUN! :-D

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Chase, John
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  On Wed May 21 11:00 , Edward Jaffe sent:
 
 Rob Scott wrote:
  I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright 
 spark once wrote a program called IJKEFT01 whose sole 
 purpose in life was to just ATTACH IKJEFT01 *unless* it was 
 the target userid in which case it also ATTACHed an extra 
 TCB that randomly generated strange abends at random intervals.

 
 In school, *someone* wrote a program called FUN that simulated the 
 command prompt of the interactive system we used. FUN was a simple 
 program that waited for some input from the user, wrote an exact 
 replica of the message that would appear when an 
 unrecognized command 
 was issued (similar to IKJ56500I COMMAND x NOT FOUND in 
 TSO/E), and 
 then re-issued the prompt and looped back to wait for more input. 
 Watching people's reactions, while FUN was running, was FUN! :-D

Was someone's initials E. E. J. ?

-jc-

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Don Leahy

 Was someone's initials E. E. J. ?


Another 'someone' once wrote a clist that displayed an exact replica
of the TSO logon screen that was in use at the time.

The clist was named after a commonly used local function, so when the
poor victim used it, he would think that he'd been booted off the
system.   He'd scratch his head, and try to log on again, but the
logon screen would ignore his password.   It was programmed to
unlock itself after about 10 attempts.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
I once worked with a guy that wrote a VTAM app that would acquire someone's
terminal (easy in the dumb terminal days) and display a screen that would
look just like the USS MSG10 screen.  When the person attempted to logon, it
would respond with idiotic messages, after clearing all data out of the
buffers.  So you would walk into his office for help, he would kill the job
that was running, so the screen would clear with you away from it.  He would
then walk over and proceed to logon as normal.  Once you learned the trick,
you would first look at the operator info area of the screen to see what
type of session you where in before trying to logon.

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Rob Scott wrote:
 I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once
wrote a program called IJKEFT01 whose sole purpose in life was to just
ATTACH IKJEFT01 *unless* it was the target userid in which case it also
ATTACHed an extra TCB that randomly generated strange abends at random
intervals.
   

In school, *someone* wrote a program called FUN that simulated the 
command prompt of the interactive system we used. FUN was a simple 
program that waited for some input from the user, wrote an exact replica 
of the message that would appear when an unrecognized command was issued 
(similar to IKJ56500I COMMAND x NOT FOUND in TSO/E), and then 
re-issued the prompt and looped back to wait for more input. Watching 
people's reactions, while FUN was running, was FUN! :-D

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 13:16 -0400, Rob Scott wrote:
 I worked at a site once (many) years ago where some bright spark once
 wrote a program called IJKEFT01

Dave Phillips, Tom Rusnak and I once engaged in that sort of wheel war
about a million years ago.

An example of the sort of thing we'd do: when the other guy logged in,
he'd see an annoying message Hey nerd-boy! or something like that.
After logging in a few times it would become an irritant, and he'd look
around to see where it came from and get rid of it.

That was the fun part: leaving lots of false leads.  Oh look: his logon
proc has been changed to one that executes a SEND.  He changes his logon
proc back to his standard one, logs on again and gets Hey nerd-boy!
Hrm.  Further study of his regular logon proc reveals that it STEPLIBs
an unfamiliar library with a dubious copy of IKJEFT01.  Remove that
library from the logon proc, logon again... and get Hey nerd-boy! for
his trouble.  Dang.  Check the logon proc again, and notice that it
executes IKJEFTO1 (letter oh).  That was sneaky.  Fix the logon proc
again and re-logon.  Hey nerd-boy!  Dang.  Okay, is the version of
IKJEFT01 in the link pack same as the real one?  I wouldn't have MLPA-ed
or MODREP-ed a tainted copy of the TMP... would I?

That was well over 20 years ago, back when we worked 16 hour days for
the joy of it.  These days the auditors and security officers would go
berzerk; but at the time *we* were in charge of security, and EDP
auditors hadn't yet arrived on the scene.  It boiled down to harmless
fun: nobody was hurt by it, and we never broke anything (didn't dare!),
and we even learned some cool stuff along the way.

Growing up is overrated.

(BTW creative misuse of the TSO TERMINAL and PROFILE commands was
always good for laughs if you found someone's line-mode TSO session
unguarded.  Sort of like remapping someone's 3270 emulator today.)

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Don Leahy
 (BTW creative misuse of the TSO TERMINAL and PROFILE commands was
 always good for laughs if you found someone's line-mode TSO session
 unguarded.  Sort of like remapping someone's 3270 emulator today.)

Speaking of remapping, when I was a junior programmer I was loaned out
to another project for half a day.  The PL didn't want to bother
setting up my RACF access for such a short assignment, so he just gave
me his password (which was against the rules, even in those days) and
let me use his TSO userid.

The PL had PFK10 set up as CANCEL.  This screwed me up because my own
userid had PFK10 set up as SAVE.  After losing several rounds of
changes by hitting CANCEL when I meant SAVE, I changed the PL's PFK10
setting to match the one I was accustomed to.

This would have been fine except that I forgot to change it back again
when I finished using his userid.

I heard some colourful language the next day when the PL SAVE'd some
changes he'd meant to CANCEL.  :-)

He couldn't very well report me to Security, since he shouldn't have
let me use his userid in the first place.   :-)

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Jerry Fuchs
'card chads'? 

Showing your age! 

Whish I had thought of that back when we had them!

Jerry 



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Ok, these are old and don't involve any modern technology.

1.  Take all the drawers out of someone's desk, turn the desk upside down 
and 
re-insert the drawers so that they were right-side up in the upside down 
desk.  The guy comes in, turns his desk back right-side up and when he 
opens 
a drawer, its contents spill onto the floor, or his lap.

2.  Remove the contents of a desk drawer and fill it with card chads and a 

propellor hooked to a rubber band, like one of those toy airplanes.  When 
he 
opens the drawer, the propeller takes off and throws chads everywhere.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread McKown, John
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 'card chads'? 
 
 Showing your age! 
 
 Whish I had thought of that back when we had them!
 
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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:18:09 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
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I smiled when I read them, but then the adult inside me kicked in his
two cents and decided that to actually do these jokes would not be
funny.
...

I very seldomly find practical jokes funny.   But I could see something
similar to most of those happening through a brain-check or finger-
check.  You have to be able to laugh after the fact.  Or cry.

In a similar vein, ...
Back in the 80s, back when IEBCOPY had multiple load modules for 
various functions (an overlay config?), a clever operator decided to 
compress SYS1.LINKLIB for us.   

That's a good joke to play on any shop on a very old release. 

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Rick Fochtman

--snip--

In school, *someone* wrote a program called FUN that simulated the 
command prompt of the interactive system we used. FUN was a simple 
program that waited for some input from the user, wrote an exact 
replica of the message that would appear when an unrecognized command 
was issued (similar to IKJ56500I COMMAND x NOT FOUND in TSO/E), 
and then re-issued the prompt and looped back to wait for more input. 
Watching people's reactions, while FUN was running, was FUN! :-D


unsnip--
I had a program that took control of the whole system. It then issued 
the message System error has occurred. Reply '/crash ' or '/nocrash' 
No matter what you replied, the result was the same: Invalid reply. 
'/Crash' assumed. Then the whole core box was cleared and a branch to 
location x'00'. Even SADUMP was useless as a debugging tool. :-)


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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 May 2008 12:43:34 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Leahy) wrote:

The PL had PFK10 set up as CANCEL.  This screwed me up because my own
userid had PFK10 set up as SAVE.  After losing several rounds of
changes by hitting CANCEL when I meant SAVE, I changed the PL's PFK10
setting to match the one I was accustomed to.

I limit my Fkey function changes to changes that won't mess others up.
This can mean in SDSF I have commands for Shift-7  shift-8 that
correspond with the default 7  8.   And my shift-swap work with swap
options.

The only one that is real different is F12 because I need a key for
recall.

The most common command people (I have seen) have different from that
does a Submit.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 May 2008 12:57:59 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry Fuchs)
wrote:

'card chads'? 

Showing your age! 

Whish I had thought of that back when we had them!

Those rectangular chads could hurt someone when they get into one's
eyes.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Gerhard Adam

How about an operator command we wrote as follows:


$TSYS=HI

$HASP000  OK
$HASP999 System now in high speed

Adam

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip

'card chads'? 

Showing your age! 


Whish I had thought of that back when we had them!
   



Those rectangular chads could hurt someone when they get into one's
eyes.
 


unsnip---
AMEN. Spent 6 weeks with an eyepatch because of a practical joker; 
chads damaged my cornea to the point where a transplant was seriously 
considered.


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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm surprised at how many people missed the point of this blog post.
The blogger was correct.
We have lost our sense of humour.

Did anybody read the disclaimer?


[Update: For those of you who missed the tongue in cheek nature of this post, 
it is in fact, a joke. Please don’t try this at work. — Matt Stansberry, Editor]

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
There's a simple ROT here.  Do NOT assign PF keys to CANCEL (or SAVE, which as 
your experience demonstrates, is similarly destructive when
unintended.)  It's users' foolishness in so doing which impels vendors to 
presume to save them from their own stupidity by adding PITA confirmation 
dialogs on such commands.

It IS NOT stupidity to customise keys!
If a user wants a SAVE or CANCEL key, and knows where it is, what is the 
problem?
It's the sharing IDs that was the problem, with different preferences.
The sharing of IDs was never a good practice.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:31:16 -0400, David Andrews wrote:

That was well over 20 years ago, back when we worked 16 hour days for
the joy of it.  These days the auditors and security officers would go
berzerk; but at the time *we* were in charge of security, and EDP
auditors hadn't yet arrived on the scene.  It boiled down to harmless
fun: nobody was hurt by it, and we never broke anything (didn't dare!),
and we even learned some cool stuff along the way.

I know a couple hackers from that era who had an ethic about
practical jokes.  While each had superuser authority, neither
ever used it to hack the other.  However, terminals left
unattended on unprivileged logins were fair game ...

-- gil

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 May 2008 23:39:44 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

It IS NOT stupidity to customise keys!
If a user wants a SAVE or CANCEL key, and knows where it is, what is the 
problem?

I envy your dexterity.

OTOH, I recall bitter opposition (though not unanimous) in
these pages when I expressed a wish that ISPF would allow
me to disable in my profile confirmation of data set deletion.

I wouldn't make DELETE or CANCEL a single keystroke command,
but I feel DENTER gives me sufficient opportunity to
reconsider, and I shouldn't need to type / to bypass
confirmation every time I enter DSLIST.

-- gil

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Roger Bolan
I think some of the things on the list are conceptual jokes but not 
practical, sort of like the stuff that happens to Wiley Coyote.  These are 
funny to think about, or see in a cartoon, but not funny if they really 
happened to someone.  I think the guideline for jokes has to be 
harmlessness.  A joke should be funny and clever.  It can be annoying or 
embarrassing or frustrating, but you have to draw the line at the 
potential for actual harm.  If it has the potential for real harm, then it 
is not a joke. 

Roger Bolan

infoprint.com

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I wouldn't make DELETE or CANCEL a single keystroke command, but I feel 
DENTER gives me sufficient opportunity to reconsider, and I shouldn't need 
to type / to bypass confirmation every time I enter DSLIST.

There is a way in DSLIST, or ISPF EDIT.

Make the single CANCEL Key (EDIT) the following:

== CANCEL;;

Where ';' is your logical ENTER key (';' is the default).

You can do the same with DSLIST -- I just can't remember if the format is the 
same.

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I think some of the things on the list are conceptual jokes but not practical, 
sort of like the stuff that happens to Wiley Coyote.  These are funny to think 
about, or see in a cartoon, but not funny if they really happened to someone.  
I think the guideline for jokes has to be harmlessness.

What is with you people?
There was a disclaimer at the front, stating that it was satire and don't do 
this at work!

Why is the end of the world?

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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 13:06 -0400 on 05/21/2008, Richards, Robert B. wrote about Re: 
Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers:



Ask the person that was the object of the joke if they thought it was
funny. Hey, I like a good joke as much as the next person, but these did
not hit my funny bone for some reason.

Bob


This reminds me of a joke pulled on a fellow student (whose last name 
happened to be Phelps) a large number of years ago. We had a time 
sharing system (with a tractor paper feed terminal) where you were 
allow a designated amount of computer time a week. One day his 
account was set to start outputting a Mission Impossible briefing 
starting Good Morning Mr. Phelps when he logged on and the ability 
to interrupt the session was disabled. The Briefing ended with the 
statement IN 5 SECONDS YOUR TIME FOR THE WEEK WILL SELF-DESTRUCT 
and it started to page eject advance the paper typing the 5-4-3-2-1 
count down and then logging him off. Until his account was reset his 
remaining time was 0 minutes.


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Re: Practical jokes for mainframe systems programmers

2008-05-21 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:01 -0600 on 05/21/2008, Howard Brazee wrote about Re: Practical 
jokes for mainframe systems programmers:



Those rectangular chads could hurt someone when they get into one's
eyes.


They can also affect national elections if not fully detached from 
the punched card.


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