Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Wayne Bickerdike]

I use the embedded skeletons technique designed by Frank Clarke.

See http://www.rexxla.org/freerepo/REXX/

Works for  MLIB, SLIB, TLIB entries. No more chasing around looking for the
source. It's all in one program.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 5:02 AM, Mark Zelden  wrote:

> Some I can think of:  IPLINFO, LPROG, REXXMEM, RXSTOR64.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark
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>
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:34:35 -0700, Lizette Koehler <
> stars...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Check out some of Mark Zelden's apps on his website.
> >
> >Some have imbedded ISPF in them
> >
> >Lizette
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On
> >> Behalf Of John McKown
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:29 AM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc
> >>
> >> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> >> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the
> ISPF
> >> panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've
> seen is
> >> more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a
> temporary
> >> file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
> >> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on
> into
> >> "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is
> this
> >> the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF
> function?
> >>
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> ancient.
> >> It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
> >>
> >> Maranatha! <><
> >> John McKown
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Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

[Mike Schwab]

I hadn't researched the meaning of pidgin.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin

So it looks like the first mixing of 2+ languages is a Pidgin, the
resulting language among those born after it is spoken is then a
creole language.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson
 wrote:
> (It must be Friday somewhere.) I'm fascinated by the characterization of 
> English as 'pidgin'. I don't see that word in any of the articles cited, but 
> it's an intriguing idea. I think where the term falls short is not the 
> mish-mash mongrel origin of English but the ideas of 'compromise' and 
> 'simplification'. It seems that English has taken every opportunity to 
> increase in complexity, not decrease, at least in regard to vocabulary. 
> Still, despite having university degrees in English and in Linguistics, I 
> feel better educated for this exercise.
>
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
> Southern California Edison Company
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Schwab
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: (External):Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".
>
> English is a pidgin language, combined from the three Celtic languages on the 
> British Isles and 4 norther European languages from northern Europe.
>
> http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/how-english-evolved-into-a-modern-language/1575959.html
> https://www.englishclub.com/history-of-english/
> http://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Mike Myers  wrote:
>> All:
>>
>> Many years ago, I aided Karl Finkemeyer, an IBMer on assignment in NY
>> at the time from Germany, and a great friend of mine to immigrate to
>> the US. He eventually became a citizen, and a director at Fidelity
>> Investments. During the immigration process, his daughter, who by that
>> time, spoke fluent English and German, showed me a paper which made
>> fun of pronunciation of words in English. Unfortunately, I did not
>> obtain a copy, but this discussion made me go and look on-line, hoping to 
>> find it.
>>
>> Although this is not Friday, for those of you that like language
>> (especially English), Google "English pronunciation poem" or "English
>> is a crazy language". Lots of good chuckles for language fans. My favorites 
>> were:
>>
>> https://archive.org/stream/EnglishCrazyLanguageEssay/English%20Crazy%2
>> 0Language%20Essay_djvu.txt
>> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/
>> the one above as a poem: http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html
>>
>> Mike Myers
>> Mentor Services Corporation
>> Goldsboro, NC 27530
>> (919) 341-5210 - office
>>
>>
>>  On 03/13/2017 05:28 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> "English is a _stupid_ language." Every language is stupid in its own
>>> way, some more so than others. If English were rational and simple,
>>> everybody would be using it. ;-)
>>>
>>> .
>>> .
>>> J.O.Skip Robinson
>>> Southern California Edison Company
>>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler
>>> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
>>> 323-715-0595 Mobile
>>> 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
>>> robin...@sce.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>>> On Behalf Of John McKown
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:56 PM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: (External):Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin <
>>> 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:18:03 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:

 It's cultural.  Consider how Europeans write dates.
  https://xkcd.com/1179/

 And significance is subjective.  About 10 years ago, I asked an
 astronomer, "When is the equinox on Saturn?"
 "Nine fourteen." (orally)

 September 14th seemed too soon until I pondered and realized she
 meant, "September, 2014."

 In Boulder, CO, in the '60s (some century), all local phone numbers
 were (303)442-xxx or (303)443-.  People routinely exchanged
 phone numbers (orally) by only the last 5 digits.  The first 5 were,
 if not insignificant, inconsequential.

 Computer science professor W.M. Waite used to say, "Top of memory,"
 pointing to the floor, and "Bottom of memory", pointing to the
 ceiling.

>>> Same in other books I've seen. Why? Probably because we write from
>>> top to bottom. We write the lowest first, at the top, and the highest
>>> last, at the bottom. And then we confuse everybody by calling them
>>> "ascending" memory addresses while writing them in a descending
>>> pattern. English is a _stupid_ language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -- gil


>>> --
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Re: Happy π Day!

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

I will "See your Bean Counters" and raise you Network Security persons!!

Al Nims
University of Florida.

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Subject: Re: Happy π Day!

We're all too busy coding up one-off scripts to answer the latest bean counter 
questions for which no one (usually including the bean counters) understands 
the reasoning.

Peter

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Subject: Happy π Day!

Where'd TSO-REXX go?  No action in about a month.



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English (was: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".)

[Phil Smith]

Skip Robinson wrote:
>(It must be Friday somewhere.) I'm fascinated by the characterization of 
>English as 'pidgin'. I don't see that word in any of the articles cited, but 
>it's an intriguing idea. I think where the term falls short is not the 
>mish-mash mongrel origin of English but the ideas of 'compromise' and 
>'simplification'. It seems that English has taken every opportunity to 
>increase in complexity, not decrease, at least in regard to vocabulary. Still, 
>despite having university degrees in English and in Linguistics, I feel better 
>educated for this exercise.

I like your point very much! I think people like to say English is a pidgin 
because of several perceptions (I had written “factors”, but that implies that 
they’re necessarily correct; I’m not convinced any of these is accurate/unique 
to English):

1) They think of it as not having evolved as the native language of a 
people (wrong, of course—just not the case in this country)

2) It has strong history to both Greek and Latin, as opposed to many other 
languages, which tend to have simpler/more direct forbears

3) It has borrowed VERY freely from other languages (of course  pretty well 
all languages borrow from other languages, but English (perhaps) more freely 
than others)

4) There’s no Academie Anglaise as there is in France; indeed, English 
words often evolve very rapidly (my favorite example: “chad” going from a mass 
noun to a count noun overnight, with the 2000 election, simply because the 
media misused it and most people had never heard it until then, so the 
instantly most-common usage was as a count noun)

In any case, if you look up the meaning of “pidgin”, it most definitely isn’t 
“a grammatically simplified form of a language, used for communication between 
people not sharing a common language”, so I think we can agree that it might be 
a creole, a mongrel, or some other variant, but “pidgin” it ain’t!

As James Nicoll famously wrote,
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English 
is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, 
English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and 
riffle their pockets for new vocabulary.

I’d argue that borrowing a perfectly good word from another language is 
probably better than creating a new one from whole cloth; at least then there’s 
some chance of being able to divine its meaning for some people! ObAnecdote: 
when she was maybe 8, my daughter challenged my dad (a linguist) with the word 
“napiform”. He said, “Well, I’ve never heard it, but I would imagine it means 
‘turnip-shaped’.” And he was of course correct, basing his analysis of “nap” + 
“form” and knowing Latin.

BTW, here are a few interesting pages:
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/142968/is-english-actually-a-pidgin-or-creole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English_creole_hypothesis
https://www.quora.com/Is-English-a-pidgin

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussions of z Systems hardware 
and software.

…phsiii (son of a linguist and admitted pedant)

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Re: 3270 emulator display/translation oddity with windows 10

[Bill Hitefield]

Rex,

Glad you found a good (and easy to implement) solution. I've had to do some 
"tweaking" with fonts too over the years. I am nearsighted, and find it easier 
on my eyes to use certain fonts - and certain color combinations. For example, 
the standard green on black starts to cause headaches after a while, yet a 
pastel green on black doesn't cause eye problems.

It's cool we live and work in a time where we can configure products like these 
to take those types of things into account.

PS: Wasn't advocating an emulator switch per se, just voicing a user experience 
(in case anyone was interested in switching).

Bill Hitefield
Dino-Software Corporation
800.480.DINO
423.878.5660
www.dino-software.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Pommier, Rex
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 10:40 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 3270 emulator display/translation oddity with windows 10

Thanks, list, especially Bill and Tom.  Your timely explanations about how the 
GE works confirmed my suspicions about it being a missing font.  My coworker 
with W10 was back in the office today, and we were able to do compares between 
W7 and W10.  Turns out the people who did the build of W10 neglected to install 
the font libraries included with the emulator.  My coworker copied the fonts 
from the emulator directory to the W10 font directory and all started working 
again.  We will pass the information to our PC build folks and have them 
correct their build procedure.

To those who recommended switching to a different 3270 emulator, all I can say 
is "Not my decision."  

Thanks again!

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Tom Brennan
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 4:37 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 3270 emulator display/translation oddity with windows 10

Bill Godfrey wrote:

> Not necessarily the  _ and | characters. I think those would probably display 
> correctly on the OP's emulator.
> The 3270 character for a graphics horizontal line is displayed using 2 bytes, 
> the "Graphics Escape" (hex 08) followed by hex A2, and in the Windows-1252 
> character encoding, hex A2 is a cent sign.
> The 3270 character for a graphics vertical line is a GE followed by hex 85, 
> and in the Windows-1252 character encoding, hex 85 is an ellipsis, three 
> horizontal dots.
> So the OP's emulator is probably handling Graphics Escape differently on W10.

Great explanation!

Warning:  Windows-related notes below.  Beware :)

Like you say, two bytes are coming in, but there's only one spot on the screen 
for a character, so the 08 has to be stored somewhere else.  In Vista that's a 
separate character set buffer.  That 08 tells the program to switch from the 
normal font to the supplied GE font when drawing those special characters.  Now 
if the GE font is not available on the system, Windows will typically revert 
back to the existing font, and you get the cent sign (or other non-GE 
character) in error.

So to solve the problem I'd look for a GE font file supplied with the emulator, 
and drag it to the c:\windows\fonts folder to install it and see if that helps.

Another bit of information for the original poster:  Vista (and perhaps some 
other emulators), doesn't actually install the font into c:\windows\fonts.  
That's because that directory is often protected from non-admin writes, and I 
want people to be able to install and use the program without admin authority, 
or run from a USB drive.  Instead, the font library is dynamically loaded, kind 
of like LOAD EP= at run time using the Windows function AddFontResource().

I've heard of cases where AddFontResource() is blocked as a security exposure 
by some company policies, with the only solution to temporarily switch to admin 
and copy the font to c:\windows\fonts.  Just guessing that could be the case 
here with Win 10 involved.

Tom

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Re: Happy π Day!

[Charles Mills]

Unicode clearly supported in the Subject!

Charles


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Re: C fprintf() format code for 32-bit float?

[retired mainframer]

In the current standard and probably the previous one (C11 and C99), the 
absence of a prototype requires a diagnostic.

In the absence of a prototype, the compiler would not know the function is 
variadic.  It is my understanding that in the old days if a function had no 
prototype, the compiler inferred/deduced the argument types from the first call 
to the function and always assigned the function a return type of int.  
Naturally, this would screw up functions such as sqrt.  It would also severely 
limit the utility of functions like fprintf.  If you called it once with
 fprintf(format_string_1, some_int);
and then later tried to call it with 
 fprintf(format_string_2, some_float);
the second call would result in the float being converted to int (to match the 
implied prototype) which would not print correctly with a "%f" format.  It 
would even cause problems with a subsequent call of
 fprintf(format_string_3, someother_int_1, someother_int_2);
because the compiler would now know that fprintf takes only two arguments.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:31 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: C fprintf() format code for 32-bit float?
> 
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:50:30 -0700, retired mainframer wrote:
> 
> >fprintf is a variadic function.  Therefore any float passed to the function
> >will be automatically promoted to double before the function is called (as
> >long as the prototype is in scope).  ...
> >
> Isn't that true even if the programmer provides no prototype?  Necessarily,
> in order to preserve compatibility with code antedating the invention of
> function prototypes.

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Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

(It must be Friday somewhere.) I'm fascinated by the characterization of 
English as 'pidgin'. I don't see that word in any of the articles cited, but 
it's an intriguing idea. I think where the term falls short is not the 
mish-mash mongrel origin of English but the ideas of 'compromise' and 
'simplification'. It seems that English has taken every opportunity to increase 
in complexity, not decrease, at least in regard to vocabulary. Still, despite 
having university degrees in English and in Linguistics, I feel better educated 
for this exercise. 

.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
robin...@sce.com

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

English is a pidgin language, combined from the three Celtic languages on the 
British Isles and 4 norther European languages from northern Europe.

http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/how-english-evolved-into-a-modern-language/1575959.html
https://www.englishclub.com/history-of-english/
http://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/


On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Mike Myers  wrote:
> All:
>
> Many years ago, I aided Karl Finkemeyer, an IBMer on assignment in NY 
> at the time from Germany, and a great friend of mine to immigrate to 
> the US. He eventually became a citizen, and a director at Fidelity 
> Investments. During the immigration process, his daughter, who by that 
> time, spoke fluent English and German, showed me a paper which made 
> fun of pronunciation of words in English. Unfortunately, I did not 
> obtain a copy, but this discussion made me go and look on-line, hoping to 
> find it.
>
> Although this is not Friday, for those of you that like language 
> (especially English), Google "English pronunciation poem" or "English 
> is a crazy language". Lots of good chuckles for language fans. My favorites 
> were:
>
> https://archive.org/stream/EnglishCrazyLanguageEssay/English%20Crazy%2
> 0Language%20Essay_djvu.txt 
> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/
> the one above as a poem: http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html
>
> Mike Myers
> Mentor Services Corporation
> Goldsboro, NC 27530
> (919) 341-5210 - office
>
>
>  On 03/13/2017 05:28 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>
>> "English is a _stupid_ language." Every language is stupid in its own 
>> way, some more so than others. If English were rational and simple, 
>> everybody would be using it. ;-)
>>
>> .
>> .
>> J.O.Skip Robinson
>> Southern California Edison Company
>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler
>> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
>> 323-715-0595 Mobile
>> 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
>> robin...@sce.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>> On Behalf Of John McKown
>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:56 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: (External):Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin < 
>> 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:18:03 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>>>
>>> It's cultural.  Consider how Europeans write dates.
>>>  https://xkcd.com/1179/
>>>
>>> And significance is subjective.  About 10 years ago, I asked an 
>>> astronomer, "When is the equinox on Saturn?"
>>> "Nine fourteen." (orally)
>>>
>>> September 14th seemed too soon until I pondered and realized she 
>>> meant, "September, 2014."
>>>
>>> In Boulder, CO, in the '60s (some century), all local phone numbers 
>>> were (303)442-xxx or (303)443-.  People routinely exchanged 
>>> phone numbers (orally) by only the last 5 digits.  The first 5 were, 
>>> if not insignificant, inconsequential.
>>>
>>> Computer science professor W.M. Waite used to say, "Top of memory,"
>>> pointing to the floor, and "Bottom of memory", pointing to the 
>>> ceiling.
>>>
>> Same in other books I've seen. Why? Probably because we write from 
>> top to bottom. We write the lowest first, at the top, and the highest 
>> last, at the bottom. And then we confuse everybody by calling them 
>> "ascending" memory addresses while writing them in a descending 
>> pattern. English is a _stupid_ language.
>>
>>
>>
>>> -- gil
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is 
>> ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
>>
>> Maranatha! <><
>> John McKown


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Re: Happy π Day!

[Farley, Peter x23353]

We're all too busy coding up one-off scripts to answer the latest bean counter 
questions for which no one (usually including the bean counters) understands 
the reasoning.

Peter

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Where'd TSO-REXX go?  No action in about a month.



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Happy π Day!

[Paul Gilmartin]

Where'd TSO-REXX go?  No action in about a month.

After a thread in the z390 forum:

/* Rexx */ signal on novalue;  /*
  # Nilakantha approximation to π.
  After: https://helloacm.com/two-simple-equations-to-compute-pi/
  See:   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_series#Alternating_series_test
*/
parse value arg( 1 ) 5 with ndig .  /* Digits precision.   */
numeric digits ndig * 2 /* Be generous with guard digits.  */
EPSILON = 3 / 10 ** ndig
ans = 3
do j = 2 by 2 until term <= EPSILON
   term = 4.0 / (j * (j + 1) * (j + 2))
   ans = ans + ( j // 4 - 1 ) * term
   say right( j % 2, 10 ) format( ans, 2, ndig + 2 ) format( term, 2, 6, 3, 0 )
   end j

-- gil

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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 2017-03-14, at 15:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

> I used Snagit for several years mainly for taking a graphic image and 
> converting it to text that could be pasted into, say, an MVS file. In the 
> last version I downloaded, I could not find that option. Research on their 
> web site indicated that they had dropped that function altogether because it 
> had become too difficult to maintain over time. Sigh.
> 
> I use the native Windows Snipping Tool regularly to capture an image and 
> paste it into pretty much any graphic format, such as Word, PowerPoint, or 
> Outlook email. It does not satisfy my old Snagit requirement. 
>  
Well, I grabbed the above as a .tiff and tried Tesseract on it:

1 used Smgit for seyeral years mainly for taking a graphic image and converting 
it to text
that could be pasted into, say, an ws file. 1n the last version 1 downloaded, 1 
could not
find that option. Research on their web site indicated that they had dropped 
that function
altogether pecause it had become too difficult to maintain over- time. sigh.

1 use the native Windows Snipping Tool regularly to capture an image and paste 
it into pretty
much any graphic format, such as word, Power-Point, or 0utlook email. 1t does 
not satisfy my

old Smgit requirement.

... Not very good.

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Re: Screen capture (was: ... Reflection Desktop ... )

[Edward Finnell]

Most OCR can read in images and convert to text. I've used Omni Pro for  
years. Have had various degrees of success with FreeOCR, ABBEYV. One Note 
drive  me crazy with dropped features. Heck WORD can do convert to text if 
properly  configured. _www.google.com/documents_ 
(http://www.google.com/documents)  is pretty  impressive for rudimentary stuff. 
 
 
In a message dated 3/14/2017 4:53:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jesse1.robin...@sce.com writes:

Nothing  I hate worse than having to type from a graphical image even when 
I can  actually read it. Ugh!


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Re: Screen capture (was: ... Reflection Desktop ... )

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I share the irritation of dealing with users' graphical 3270 screen shots, 
especially in view of the ease with which most (all?) emulators can produce a 
copy/pastable text image. I uncharitably ascribe the practice to laziness, but 
it's probably simple ignorance. Nothing I hate worse than having to type from a 
graphical image even when I can actually read it. Ugh!

.
.
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:36:23 -0500, Lizette Koehler wrote:

>We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
>it can capture multiple screens.
>We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
>capture processes.
>
Wnenever I've been in any sort of support function, even just answering casual 
questions, I've found screen captures in image format irritating.
I can't Copy/Paste the failing command and try it myself to reproduce the 
problem; I must retype it by eyeball.  (Nor can I attach it to LISTSERV.)

I much prefer text.

x3270 has a "save single/multiple screens as text/HTML/Rich Text (also bitmap)."
HTML from x3270 is excellent -- full color and selectable text.  Hummingbird 
has similar, but the default is image.

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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I used Snagit for several years mainly for taking a graphic image and 
converting it to text that could be pasted into, say, an MVS file. In the last 
version I downloaded, I could not find that option. Research on their web site 
indicated that they had dropped that function altogether because it had become 
too difficult to maintain over time. Sigh.

I use the native Windows Snipping Tool regularly to capture an image and paste 
it into pretty much any graphic format, such as Word, PowerPoint, or Outlook 
email. It does not satisfy my old Snagit requirement. 

.
.
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Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

Yes, that would be a workaround. 


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Multiple Screens

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
it can capture multiple screens.

We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
capture processes.

Lizette


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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[Steve Beaver]

Why not just use the Snipping tool?



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Multiple Screens

After some frustration I finally figured it out. Thanks Paul!  Not for the 
frustration, lol... but the method. 
I could not find that "Close Printer" option for the life of me. LOL.



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Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

Well my first attempt to send a response failed.  You need to get to the print 
setup screen.  There you should see a setting about "multiple screens per 
page".  I checked both the "auto formfeed" and "close printer manually".  After 
you get this set up you will see a message at the bottom of the screen about 
closing the printer.  When you close the printer it will print all the screens. 
 This is under Reflection 2014R1 SP1 15.6.745.


Thanks..

Paul Feller
AGT Mainframe Technical Support


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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 15:43
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

Yes, that would be a workaround. 


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
it can capture multiple screens.

We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
capture processes.

Lizette

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Re: C fprintf() format code for 32-bit float?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:50:30 -0700, retired mainframer wrote:

>fprintf is a variadic function.  Therefore any float passed to the function
>will be automatically promoted to double before the function is called (as
>long as the prototype is in scope).  ...
>
Isn't that true even if the programmer provides no prototype?  Necessarily,
in order to preserve compatibility with code antedating the invention of
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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[George, William@FTB]

After some frustration I finally figured it out. Thanks Paul!  Not for the 
frustration, lol... but the method. 
I could not find that "Close Printer" option for the life of me. LOL.



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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

Well my first attempt to send a response failed.  You need to get to the print 
setup screen.  There you should see a setting about "multiple screens per 
page".  I checked both the "auto formfeed" and "close printer manually".  After 
you get this set up you will see a message at the bottom of the screen about 
closing the printer.  When you close the printer it will print all the screens. 
 This is under Reflection 2014R1 SP1 15.6.745.


Thanks..

Paul Feller
AGT Mainframe Technical Support


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Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

Yes, that would be a workaround. 


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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
it can capture multiple screens.

We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
capture processes.

Lizette

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Screen capture (was: ... Reflection Desktop ... )

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:36:23 -0500, Lizette Koehler wrote:

>We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
>it can capture multiple screens.
>We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
>capture processes.
>
Wnenever I've been in any sort of support function, even just answering
casual questions, I've found screen captures in image format irritating.
I can't Copy/Paste the failing command and try it myself to reproduce the
problem; I must retype it by eyeball.  (Nor can I attach it to LISTSERV.)

I much prefer text.

x3270 has a "save single/multiple screens as text/HTML/Rich Text (also bitmap)."
HTML from x3270 is excellent -- full color and selectable text.  Hummingbird has
similar, but the default is image.

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Re: Jollygiant support (QWS3270 PLUS vendor) has not responded to several emails

[Hardee, Chuck]

Sorry Chris, I sent it to them and they never cashed it and I never got it back 
and they won't return my emails.
Otherwise we could work something out.

Chuck

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Hey Chuck - send me your check - I will be happy to cash it for you ...

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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[George, William@FTB]

Thanks Paul.  I did see those setting but could not figure how to use them. 
I'll go try this. Thanks for the reference!

Bill

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Well my first attempt to send a response failed.  You need to get to the print 
setup screen.  There you should see a setting about "multiple screens per 
page".  I checked both the "auto formfeed" and "close printer manually".  After 
you get this set up you will see a message at the bottom of the screen about 
closing the printer.  When you close the printer it will print all the screens. 
 This is under Reflection 2014R1 SP1 15.6.745.


Thanks..

Paul Feller
AGT Mainframe Technical Support


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Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

Yes, that would be a workaround. 


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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
it can capture multiple screens.

We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
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Lizette

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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[Feller, Paul]

Well my first attempt to send a response failed.  You need to get to the print 
setup screen.  There you should see a setting about "multiple screens per 
page".  I checked both the "auto formfeed" and "close printer manually".  After 
you get this set up you will see a message at the bottom of the screen about 
closing the printer.  When you close the printer it will print all the screens. 
 This is under Reflection 2014R1 SP1 15.6.745.


Thanks..

Paul Feller
AGT Mainframe Technical Support


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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

Yes, that would be a workaround. 


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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
it can capture multiple screens.

We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
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Lizette

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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[Lizette Koehler]

I have been told, 

There is a manual screen capture process.  But you would need to select each 
screen you want and then paste it into a word doc.

Lizette

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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[George, William@FTB]

Yes, that would be a workaround. 


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Multiple Screens

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

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Subject: Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print 
Multiple Screens

We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
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We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[George, William@FTB]

I have personally used to use snagit but not here at our facility.


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We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
it can capture multiple screens.

We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

[Pommier, Rex]

There's also a snipping tool that comes as part of win7 that creates JPGs of 
portions of a screen.  

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We have a tool from TechSmith called Snagit.  I use that in place of screen 
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We have Reflections.  I do not know how to print multiple screens, but I know 
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Re: Conversion from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop - Print Multiple Screens

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Not sure why I received the fraud message??  I've posted many times. 
Bill

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We will be transitioning from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop down the 
road and I am evaluating its functions and how our current use of Extra! will 
translate to Reflections.

One function our group makes good use of in Extra! is the "Print Multiple 
Screens" functions. This allows users to queue up several screen prints and 
then print them on one page formatted appropriately.  So far I'm unable to 
locate this function in Reflections.

Is anyone aware if this function is available?  And if so how to set this up?
In my research of the support site and documents I see some subtle mention of 
it as a possibility but I find no concrete means to do it.

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We will be transitioning from Extra! X-treme 9.3 to Reflection Desktop down the 
road and I am evaluating its functions and how our current use of Extra! will 
translate to Reflections.

One function our group makes good use of in Extra! is the "Print Multiple 
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then print them on one page formatted appropriately.  So far I'm unable to 
locate this function in Reflections.

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In my research of the support site and documents I see some subtle mention of 
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Re: Jollygiant support (QWS3270 PLUS vendor) has not responded to several emails

[Chris Hoelscher]

Hey Chuck - send me your check - I will be happy to cash it for you ...

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> I tried to contact them shortly after Jolly sold to Brandon asking why they
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Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

[Phil Smith]

Thanks, Mohammad! Now we can all see how it’s done. Fascinating. Love the fact 
that they’re *read* small-to-large and (it seems) physically written thus when 
writing by hand. And of course in English it’s ambiguous: “written left to 
right” – really “appear the same way as in languages that write left to right, 
but are physically written in the opposite order, except (allegedly?) by some 
machines”. Bet there were some long and heated discussions about this in the 
early days of terminals!

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Re: Jollygiant support (QWS3270 PLUS vendor) has not responded to several emails

[Hardee, Chuck]

Yeah, that was always my experience when it was Jolly.
I'd contact them one day and within a day or two I either had an explanation 
about what was wrong, or a fix.
Great support.
Since going to Brandon, well, 'nuff said.


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As I remember, the original author was Canadian and he sold out to another 
Canadian.

When W10 came out I contacted the guy since W10 QWS3270 Secure would not 
initialize under W10 and he had a fix for
Me in about a day

Steve 

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If you are lucky enough to get thru to them, please report back how you 
established contact.
I tried to contact them shortly after Jolly sold to Brandon asking why they 
hadn't cashed my check for support renewal.
TO this date I have had no response to my inquiries. It would be nice to know 
if anyone else is getting thru to them.

I like the tool and would like to get current but I'd rather not have to buy 
the product all over again.

Thanks,
Chuck

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On 14 March 2017 at 13:07, Steve Beaver  wrote:
> Jolly Green is still in Toronto.

Really? Were they ever here?

> Telephone:
> 1-613-541-0740

That's not a Toronto area code, though of course these days any phone number 
can ring anywhere. The always helpful localcallingguide.com says 613-541 is 
Kingston, Ont.  ISTR the author started at Queen's University there.

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[Steve Beaver]

As I remember, the original author was Canadian and he sold out to another 
Canadian.

When W10 came out I contacted the guy since W10 QWS3270 Secure would not 
initialize under W10 and he had a fix for
Me in about a day

Steve 

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If you are lucky enough to get thru to them, please report back how you 
established contact.
I tried to contact them shortly after Jolly sold to Brandon asking why they 
hadn't cashed my check for support renewal.
TO this date I have had no response to my inquiries. It would be nice to know 
if anyone else is getting thru to them.

I like the tool and would like to get current but I'd rather not have to buy 
the product all over again.

Thanks,
Chuck

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On 14 March 2017 at 13:07, Steve Beaver  wrote:
> Jolly Green is still in Toronto.

Really? Were they ever here?

> Telephone:
> 1-613-541-0740

That's not a Toronto area code, though of course these days any phone number 
can ring anywhere. The always helpful localcallingguide.com says 613-541 is 
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[Hardee, Chuck]

If you are lucky enough to get thru to them, please report back how you 
established contact.
I tried to contact them shortly after Jolly sold to Brandon asking why they 
hadn't cashed my check for support renewal.
TO this date I have had no response to my inquiries. It would be nice to know 
if anyone else is getting thru to them.

I like the tool and would like to get current but I'd rather not have to buy 
the product all over again.

Thanks,
Chuck

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On 14 March 2017 at 13:07, Steve Beaver  wrote:
> Jolly Green is still in Toronto.

Really? Were they ever here?

> Telephone:
> 1-613-541-0740

That's not a Toronto area code, though of course these days any phone
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[Tony Harminc]

On 14 March 2017 at 13:07, Steve Beaver  wrote:
> Jolly Green is still in Toronto.

Really? Were they ever here?

> Telephone:
> 1-613-541-0740

That's not a Toronto area code, though of course these days any phone
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Mark Zelden]

Some I can think of:  IPLINFO, LPROG, REXXMEM, RXSTOR64.

Best regards,

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:34:35 -0700, Lizette Koehler  
wrote:

>Check out some of Mark Zelden's apps on his website.
>
>Some have imbedded ISPF in them
>
>Lizette
>
>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of John McKown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:29 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc
>>
>> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
>> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
>> panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've seen is
>> more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a temporary
>> file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
>> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on into
>> "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is this
>> the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF function?
>>
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Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

[Mohammad Khan]

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:36:46 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 
 wrote:

>Although Arabic word writing is right to left, numbers are written left to 
>right.

It appears so but that not the case, since the numbers are read in unit - tens 
- hundreds order the writing follows the same order.

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Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian".

[Mohammad Khan]

>Mohammad, I’m confused. You said: 
>>In Arabic while writing from right to left 345 is written exactly in that 
>>order and it's read "five forty three hundred". 
>I’m trying to understand. Given the number 345. You’re writing a series of 
>letters, starting with A (yes, of course it’s not an >A, but I can’t do the 
>Arabic!). So if the “word” you’re writing is A through F, you’d write what 
>would appear on the page as: 
> 
>FEDCBA 
> 
>Now we’re going to insert 345 between the D and the C (“after” the C). So 
>would that look like: 
> 
>FED345CBA 
>or 
>FED543CBA 
> 
>? I’m sure what you wrote was clear to everyone but me! 
 
It will appear on paper as "FED345CBA" for the number that is three hundred 
forty five in English. This is what I meant by "exactly in that order". I don't 
remember how the word processors handle it as I have not used one in ages.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)]

You can always put the temp pds on a vio unit :-)


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On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:42 AM, IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software < 
imugz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The only way I know to load panel into cache is to display it. Maybe a 
> display service with a preceding Control display enter will do the 
> job, but... you have to store it first into a library. what is so 
> special with cache that you need it? hiding it? if so, use dynamic 
> area and generate the content dynamically.
>

​I was just trying to avoid the overhead of allocating the PDS or PDSes and 
actually doing I/O to them. Seems silly for one part of the application to 
write data to a data set just so that another part of the application can read 
it right back in. ​



>
> ITschak
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Tom Marchant < 
> 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:28:43 -0500, John McKown wrote:
> >
> > >I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I 
> > >vaguely remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to 
> > >"embed" the
> ISPF
> > >panels / message / et al in the REXX itself.
> >
> > This isn't what you are asking about, but you can also embed ReXX in 
> > your ISPF panels.
> >
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Re: Jollygiant support (QWS3270 PLUS vendor) has not responded to several emails

[Steve Beaver]

Jolly Green is still in Toronto.

Telephone:
1-613-541-0740
Toll Free: 1-877-776-4657 (US & Canada)

Fax:
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I believe they were bought out by Brandon Associates awhile ago. Try
https://helpdesk.brandonassociates.com/portal/home

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Has anyone had good response from them in the last few months?

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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software]

I think the cache does not hold the panel itself, but a ttr to it's place
in the dataset to same the pds directory processing. btw, for messages, you
can use the general purpose one and populate zlmsg (or what ever the name
is) from your program and you don't need to save the msg member as well.


ITschak

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:57 PM, John McKown 
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:42 AM, IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software <
> imugz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The only way I know to load panel into cache is to display it. Maybe a
> > display service with a preceding Control display enter will do the job,
> > but... you have to store it first into a library. what is so special with
> > cache that you need it? hiding it? if so, use dynamic area and generate
> the
> > content dynamically.
> >
>
> ​I was just trying to avoid the overhead of allocating the PDS or PDSes and
> actually doing I/O to them. Seems silly for one part of the application to
> write data to a data set just so that another part of the application can
> read it right back in. ​
>
>
>
> >
> > ITschak
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Tom Marchant <
> > 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:28:43 -0500, John McKown wrote:
> > >
> > > >I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> > > >remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the
> > ISPF
> > > >panels / message / et al in the REXX itself.
> > >
> > > This isn't what you are asking about, but you can also embed ReXX in
> your
> > > ISPF panels.
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[John McKown]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:42 AM, IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software <
imugz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The only way I know to load panel into cache is to display it. Maybe a
> display service with a preceding Control display enter will do the job,
> but... you have to store it first into a library. what is so special with
> cache that you need it? hiding it? if so, use dynamic area and generate the
> content dynamically.
>

​I was just trying to avoid the overhead of allocating the PDS or PDSes and
actually doing I/O to them. Seems silly for one part of the application to
write data to a data set just so that another part of the application can
read it right back in. ​



>
> ITschak
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Tom Marchant <
> 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:28:43 -0500, John McKown wrote:
> >
> > >I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> > >remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the
> ISPF
> > >panels / message / et al in the REXX itself.
> >
> > This isn't what you are asking about, but you can also embed ReXX in your
> > ISPF panels.
> >
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software]

The only way I know to load panel into cache is to display it. Maybe a
display service with a preceding Control display enter will do the job,
but... you have to store it first into a library. what is so special with
cache that you need it? hiding it? if so, use dynamic area and generate the
content dynamically.

ITschak

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:28:43 -0500, John McKown wrote:
>
> >I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> >remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
> >panels / message / et al in the REXX itself.
>
> This isn't what you are asking about, but you can also embed ReXX in your
> ISPF panels.
>
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Tom Marchant]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:28:43 -0500, John McKown wrote:

>I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
>remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
>panels / message / et al in the REXX itself.

This isn't what you are asking about, but you can also embed ReXX in your 
ISPF panels.

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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[John McKown]

Thank all for the information. Basically, I need to write each "embedded"
ISPF panel definition out to a PDS member, in a temporary DSN. Then do a
LIBDEF as appropriate. I know that ISPF caches definitions in memory. I was
hoping to have some way to put my in-stream ISPF stuff directly into the
ISPF cache, rather than writing it out to disk.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:28 AM, John McKown 
wrote:

> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
> panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've seen
> is more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a
> temporary file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on into
> "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is
> this the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF
> function?
>
> --
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> ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
>
> Maranatha! <><
> John McKown
>



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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software]

here is a sample code. each "file" has tow labels. one to signal from (to
create a base pointer) and the other for the extract routine. This way you
can add/remove lines from your program without recalculating locations. the
xloc pointer points to the signal command, so you should add the number of
lines of the extract code you have. this can be a subroutine, but it
demostrate the idea. I used a stop condition for the extruat loop. i
haven't tested this sample, just a demo. again, be careful and use rexx
like comments.

ITschak.


/* Rexx */
Sample:
   Signal Sample.main
Sample.Doc:
   /*  sample self lcontained rexx */

Sample.main:
   Call Extruct
   Return
Extruct:
   Call xPanel
   Return
xpanel:
   xLoc = sigl() + 14  /* use signl to find your location. */
   j = 0
   Do while j > 0
  j = j + 1
  xpnl.j = sourceline(xLoc+j)
  if (Word(xpl.j,1) = "/*eop*/") then do
 "EexecIO * DiskW ISPFLIB (Stem xpnl. finis") /* ISPFLIB pre
allocated */
  j = 0 /* not relevant but a good prog. practice */
  return
  end
   end
---put panel here---
/*eop*/


On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:02 PM, IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software <
imugz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes. I started thia thread few month ago. It was about a self extruct
> inataller containning xmt files.
> The idea is to use labels (this way you know your line number and can use
> siur eli e funcrion to retrieve  the code (panels, msgs,etc.). Btw, you can
> use a single dataset as a target and libdef to all ispf librariea. Compling
> the code hide everything. Be carefull with qouts and comments which are
> different on panels and does need to be closed.
>
> If you need a sample email me.
>
> Best
>
> Itschak
>
> בתאריך 14 במרץ 2017 17:29,‏ "John McKown" 
> כתב:
>
> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
> panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've seen
> is more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a
> temporary file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on into
> "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is
> this the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF
> function?
>
> --
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> ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
>
> Maranatha! <><
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[IronSphere by SecuriTeam Software]

Yes. I started thia thread few month ago. It was about a self extruct
inataller containning xmt files.
The idea is to use labels (this way you know your line number and can use
siur eli e funcrion to retrieve  the code (panels, msgs,etc.). Btw, you can
use a single dataset as a target and libdef to all ispf librariea. Compling
the code hide everything. Be carefull with qouts and comments which are
different on panels and does need to be closed.

If you need a sample email me.

Best

Itschak

בתאריך 14 במרץ 2017 17:29,‏ "John McKown" 
כתב:

I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've seen
is more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a
temporary file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on into
"temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is
this the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF
function?

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ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion

Maranatha! <><
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

John McKown wrote:

>I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely 
>remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF 
>panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. 

I have posted on RACF-L many moons ago that I wrote a self contained REXX 
program with LIBDEF panels, message library, etc., which, using pop-up ISPF 
panels, captures data to create/re-assign/delete many RACF ids [1] and then 
write out a dataset containing RACF commands for later review and executing.

When finished, that REXX program drops everything it aquired and just leave a 
dataset for review/editing later.

Is this what you want? I can e-mail that REXX program/panels/messages to you 
off-list.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[1] - Screen grab, all driven by REXX:

   Menu  RefList  RefMode  Utilities  Help  
 ---
 Data Set List Utility  
 Option ===> TSO ADDIDS 

blank Dis . Add/Delete Userids To RACF .
V Dis ||
  |  1  Add Userids (New Workfile) |
 Enter one or |  2  Add Userids (Same Workfile, but|
Dsname Le | new commands added to Workfile)|
Volume se |  3  Delete Userids (Same Workfile) |
  ||
 Data set lis | Your Choice :  _   |
Initial V ||
1  1. Vol |  For support please call   |
   2. Spa |  Racf Team at ,  or    |
   3. Att ||
   4. Tot | ENTER- Continue|
  | PF1/PF13 - Help|
  | PF3/PF15 - Exit|
  ''

-- 
Data Set List Utility  
Option ===> TSO ADDIDS 
   
   blank Dis . Add/Delete Userids To RACF . t list 
   V Dis || formation  
  .- Add Userids -.
Enter |   |
   Ds |  Please enter the fields and press enter  |
   Vo |   |
  |  Enter Id Prefix : ID PREFX  Full id if only one or just Prefix   |
Data  |  Enter Group Owner   : GROUP___  Put = in either Owner or Group, that |
   In |  Enter Default Group : GROUP___  field will get value from other  |
   1  |  Enter Username  : USERNAME   |
  |  Enter Installation Data: |
  |  CREATED ON 2017/03/14|
  |   |
  |  Begin Value   : 1000 |
  |  End Value : (Only used if Count = 0) |
  |  Count : 0__ (Count takes preference) |
When  |  Suffix Length : 3|
  "/" |  Revoked?  : Y|
  an  |  Password? : N|
  "=" |  Extra Groups  :      |
  |   ENTER - ContinuePF3/15 - Cancel |
  '---'

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Re: Jollygiant support (QWS3270 PLUS vendor) has not responded to several emails

[Jim Ladouceur]

I believe they were bought out by Brandon Associates awhile ago. Try  
https://helpdesk.brandonassociates.com/portal/home

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Jollygiant support (QWS3270 PLUS vendor) has not responded to several 
emails

Has anyone had good response from them in the last few months?

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)]

Check out my LOADISPF routine which can be imbedded in your exec to manage 
imbedded elements.  My ZSTART exec is an example of using it but there are many 
others where I've used it as well.

Hope this helps

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:35 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

Check out some of Mark Zelden's apps on his website.

Some have imbedded ISPF in them

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of John McKown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:29 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc
> 
> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely 
> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the 
> ISPF panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that 
> I've seen is more like an shell HERE document. This function basically 
> creates a temporary file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that 
> temporary file.
> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on 
> into "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes 
> active. Is this the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some 
> ISPF function?
> 
> --
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> It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
> 
> Maranatha! <><
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Sri h Kolusu]

John,

Check this out 

Panel REXX example supplied with ISPF in z/OS ISPF Dialog Developer's 
Guide and Reference (SC19-3619-00 )

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.f54dg00/ispdg181.htm

Thanks,
Kolusu

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 
03/14/2017 08:28:43 AM:

> From: John McKown 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 03/14/2017 08:29 AM
> Subject: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the 
ISPF
> panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've 
seen
> is more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a
> temporary file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary 
file.
> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on 
into
> "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is
> this the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF
> function?
> 
> -- 
> "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is
> ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
> 
> Maranatha! <><
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> 
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Re: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[Lizette Koehler]

Check out some of Mark Zelden's apps on his website.

Some have imbedded ISPF in them

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of John McKown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:29 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: "embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc
> 
> I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
> remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
> panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've seen is
> more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a temporary
> file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
> The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on into
> "temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is this
> the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF function?
> 
> --
> "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient.
> It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
> 
> Maranatha! <><
> John McKown

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"embedded" ISPF panels/message/etc

[John McKown]

I want to write an ISPF application which is self contained. I vaguely
remembered that someone, sometime, said it is possible to "embed" the ISPF
panels / message / et al in the REXX itself. The only thing that I've seen
is more like an shell HERE document. This function basically creates a
temporary file, writes the HERE data to it, then uses that temporary file.
The ISPF equivalent is to write the ISPF panels / messages and so on into
"temporary" PDSes. And then use the LIBDEF to make the PDSes active. Is
this the way it is done? That is, by "cheating", rather than some ISPF
function?

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ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion

Maranatha! <><
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Re: C fprintf() format code for 32-bit float?

[Bernd Oppolzer]

At a customer of mine we had a graphic package which did the
presentation layer of the scientific and technical applications (called 
GKS,

graphic kernel system). The output of GKS went to plotters (Calcomp)
and graphic displays (via GDDM). The interesting thing about this was
that you had not to code for GDDM or Calcomp; same interface for both.

The applications normally used double float for their computations,
but inside the graphic package, all floats were single precision, because
double would make no sense, given the precision of the output decives;
in fact you will see no difference when computing coordinates for the
plotter or GDDM. So on entry to the graphics package, the values were
truncated; all GKS functions had single precision arguments.

This is kind of CAD/CAM, too.

Kind regards

Bernd



Am 14.03.2017 um 02:15 schrieb Steve Beaver:

It’s a silly question, but why are you using single precession floating point.

The ONLY times I have used floating point is having to do with extremely large 
numbers or some extremely small number of very fine precision
Used in CAD/CAM

Steve



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