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Re: Is the mainfrrame cloud more reliable? was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-13 Thread Mitch Mccluhan

 ...and IBM has multiple zCloud sites.  I've toured the one in Boulder, and it 
is amazing.
Mitch
 
 
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IBM does offer this cloud service:
https://www.ibm.com/cloud/hyper-protect-virtual-servers

Only providing a reply to the question of zCloud offerings from IBM.


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 9:51 PM Ed Jaffe 
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> On 12/11/2021 11:07 AM, zMan wrote:
> > What Z cloud offering? I see them categorizing CICS revenue as "cloud".
> Not
> > aware of a real Z cloud offering?
>
> According to LinkedIn, IBM's Scott Engleman, who did an amazing job for
> years as z/OS Offering Manager, is now the "IBM Z Hybrid Cloud Product
> Management Leader".
>
> I believe the "IBM Z Hybrid Cloud" offering to be the full name of what
> some folks refer to as "Z Cloud"...
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Re: Is the mainfrrame cloud more reliable? was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-13 Thread Bfishing

IBM does offer this cloud service:
https://www.ibm.com/cloud/hyper-protect-virtual-servers

Only providing a reply to the question of zCloud offerings from IBM.


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 9:51 PM Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 12/11/2021 11:07 AM, zMan wrote:
> > What Z cloud offering? I see them categorizing CICS revenue as "cloud".
> Not
> > aware of a real Z cloud offering?
>
> According to LinkedIn, IBM's Scott Engleman, who did an amazing job for
> years as z/OS Offering Manager, is now the "IBM Z Hybrid Cloud Product
> Management Leader".
>
> I believe the "IBM Z Hybrid Cloud" offering to be the full name of what
> some folks refer to as "Z Cloud"...
>
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Re: Is the mainfrrame cloud more reliable? was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-11 Thread Ed Jaffe


On 12/11/2021 11:07 AM, zMan wrote:

What Z cloud offering? I see them categorizing CICS revenue as "cloud". Not
aware of a real Z cloud offering?


According to LinkedIn, IBM's Scott Engleman, who did an amazing job for 
years as z/OS Offering Manager, is now the "IBM Z Hybrid Cloud Product 
Management Leader".


I believe the "IBM Z Hybrid Cloud" offering to be the full name of what 
some folks refer to as "Z Cloud"...


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Re: Is the mainfrrame cloud more reliable? was Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-11 Thread zMan

What Z cloud offering? I see them categorizing CICS revenue as "cloud". Not
aware of a real Z cloud offering?

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:40 PM Clark Morris <
03b2c618bdfc-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 10:55:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe
>  wrote:
>
> >On 12/8/2021 5:40 AM, Doug wrote:
> >> I have watched this thread, and there is simply one thing most of us
> >> are missing.
> >> This is a MF forum. For years, we have been subjected to "oh using the
> >> (insert new technology) is so much better than these old obsolete
> >> mainframes." And we have universally warned not to drink the Kool-Aid.
> >>
> >> So excuse us a bit of satisfaction when the one of these "master of
> >> the universe" technologies has a problem that renders it mortal, like
> >> these old, obsolete mainframes.
> >
> >Absolutely justifiable, especially when the platform being derided has
> >*explicitly* positioned themselves as your MORTAL ENEMY:
>
> How reliable is IBM's z related cloud offering?
>
> How many of the mainframe shops are in practice old and obsolete due
> to management policy?  How many shops have COBOL coding standards last
> updated with either COBOL 68 (ANS COBOL) or COBOL 74 (COBOL VS)?
>
> In my opinion one of the greater risks of the cloud is that the
> appropriate national government may compel the provider be it AWS,
> IBM, Microsoft, etc. to give said government access to an
> organization's data without notifying the organization.  I think I
> read somewhere that the US Patriot act may authorize this and I
> believe that this is probably not unique to the United States.
> >
> >https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/cloud/aws-out-kill-mainframes
>
> Clark Morris
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Re: AWS is down.

2021-12-11 Thread Bill Johnson

1 mic, 4 mics, 40 mics, 400 mics is all irrelevant to the original topic. AWS
was down for hours, longer for some. Important transactions just can’t be
unavailable for hours and that’s why banks, health care, insurance, airlines,
big retail, and others will never leave the mainframe.

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On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:12 PM, patrickfalcone7
<012526080649-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

I've not seen 4 mics, maybe less than 100 But I've not done any serious
looking. My numbers, 5 mills to 400 mics was a quick overview to grab averages.
Once I saw the numbers I knew there would be performance gains since my
workloads are mostly, I would like to think, of fairly normal profile, weighted
more heavily on IO than the other resources. And I did see movement graphically
with backup windows, for one, moving back in time but did not do any further
discoveries.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message From: Ronald Wells
<02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: 12/8/21 9:09 PM
(GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AWS is down. Stated
well-Original Message-From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
On Behalf Of Bill JohnsonSent: Wednesday, December
8, 2021 7:59 PMTo: ibm-m...@listserv.ua.EDUSubject: Re: AWS is down.** EXTERNAL
EMAIL - USE CAUTION **“Four microseconds is also nonsense”, is exactly what
Metz said. He STATED that. I knew exactly what game he was playing from the
very start. It’s his MO. Narcissism is what narcissists must do. I’m here to
get facts, not play games trying to be friends. Knowing who the experts are is
more important than the nonsense some people post or how often they post. It’s
really pretty simple. You want zOS facts, Relson is the guy. You want SMP/E
expertise, Kurt Q is the oracle.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday,
December 8, 2021, 8:18 PM, patrickfalcone7
<012526080649-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:Don't like to get into
these but I have respect for Seymour and would ask you not to fan flames. While
I understand Seymour's response he didn't necessarily state anything but
questioned the possibility.Seymour I did not mean to put you in any unnecessary
positions and apologize if I did. My post was only to state what metrics I've
seen in the last couple of years. And you'd be surprised at how many might not
know that it is possible to get mics on average with even backleveled kits.When
we did our last array upgrade we went from 4 mills to around 400 to 500 mics.
To me that is significant and ended up being so. I saw workload shifts in time
due to the significance of the array swap.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone Original message From: Bill Johnson
<0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: 12/8/21 4:07 PM
(GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AWS is down. LOLOLOLOL, I
love when the so called “experts” are proven wrong.Sent from Yahoo Mail for
iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 4:04 PM, patrickfalcone7
<012526080649-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:Hope you are well. FWIW
I've seem mics for sometime but mostly under favorable conditions. But lately
have found mics on average from under 5 on avg. mills.with somewhat newer array
technology on < z15 CPCs.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone Original message From: Seymour J Metz
Date: 12/8/21 9:05 AM (GMT-05:00) To:
IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AWS is down. On what machine do you
complete I/O in a microsecond?--Shmuel (Seymour J.)
Metzhttps://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3From&data=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C3e88328fb0594ed0916208d9bab78967%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637746119718822367%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=B6bRQ6uTPkP4Rit3AO0LH5UKTf1TLq%2Bvukt6xw5hboc%3D&reserved=0:
IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill
Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]Sent: Wednesday,
December 8, 2021 7:31 AMTo: ibm-m...@listserv.ua.EDUSubject: Re: AWS is down.I
see someone who has never worked in health care where the mainframe processes
each drug prescribed and checks for drug interactions in a microsecond. Yes,
people die if the mainframe isn’t available. It’s also why there are plenty of
pharmacies open 24 hours and why hospitals have pharmacies.Sent from Yahoo Mail
for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 1:33 AM, kekronbekron
<02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:Critical infra in some
places, sure, not everyone is denying that.At the moment of urgent need, do
people really buy something and wait for M

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