Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

No oorexx, or even Regina?

Although I was impressed to see Erlang there; I hadn't expected that.


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On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
>
> On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> > I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here.
>
> You do know that you can get a free LPAR for 90 days and explore what's
> there and what's not yourself, right?
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Mike Schwab]

https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/blogs/elizabeth-k-joseph1/2020/05/12/linuxone-open-source-report-april-2020

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
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> On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> > I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here.
>
> You do know that you can get a free LPAR for 90 days and explore what's
> there and what's not yourself, right?
>
> https://developer.ibm.com/components/ibm-linuxone/gettingstarted/
>
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> www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
> www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl 
> Sagan
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here.


You do know that you can get a free LPAR for 90 days and explore what's 
there and what's not yourself, right?


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

  I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here.


z/Linux has pretty much everything. Did some heavy lifting there. What 
wasn't there I could build, with some work.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

For example, the current Perl is 5.30, not 5.24.

Not z/OS in the same sense that Solaris in a virtual machine is not z/VM; the 
code that z/OS runs in a container is Linux code. I'd like the more common 
languages available in a form interoperable with at least batch, TSO and OMVS 
applications. I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here.


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Shmuel Metz wrote:
>The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS,
>or not up to date.

1. Would you like to be more specific? (And I don't know what you mean by
"not z/OS." I answered specifically, exclusively for z/OS.)

2. Have you tried fixing the specific issues?

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

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Shmuel Metz wrote:
>The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS,
>or not up to date.

1. Would you like to be more specific? (And I don't know what you mean by 
"not z/OS." I answered specifically, exclusively for z/OS.)

2. Have you tried fixing the specific issues?

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Re: [External] Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

All,

I agree I am a huge sci-fi fan and believe in the sciences over utter
stupidity.
Lionel your point is well taken. I am guilty too, but when you have strong
feelings , which sometimes part of ADHD , it’s called RSD ( Reject
Sensitive Dysphoria ).
I have both ...

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:48 AM Pommier, Rex 
wrote:

> Can be said for both sides of the spectrum.  This is a mainframe forum,
> not a political one.  Let's keep it that way.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of scott Ford
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> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: [External] Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
> programming language of 2020
>
> Elect a clown get a circus 
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM scott Ford  wrote:
>
> > Seymour,
> >
> > Oh yes sir
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:54 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> >
> >> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe
> >> for a similar parody on our own times.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
> >> behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
> >> programming language of 2020
> >>
> >> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads
> >> the pack.  My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War .
> . . "
> >> (War Games), right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it
> >> was so twisted.
> >>
> >> Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
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> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
> >> programming language of 2020
> >>
> >> I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people
> >> have seen it, as far as I can tell.
> >>
> >> The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is
> >> that no programmer in the world would make such a system and then
> >> throw away the Stop button.  No engineer would do that with a machine
> >> he built, either.  Too many things can go wrong.
> >>
> >> But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.
> >>
> >> ---
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> >>
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> >> finally develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery
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> >>
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Re: [External] Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Pommier, Rex]

Can be said for both sides of the spectrum.  This is a mainframe forum, not a 
political one.  Let's keep it that way.

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programming language of 2020

Elect a clown get a circus 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM scott Ford  wrote:

> Seymour,
>
> Oh yes sir
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:54 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
>> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe 
>> for a similar parody on our own times.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>> behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
>> programming language of 2020
>>
>> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads 
>> the pack.  My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . . . "
>> (War Games), right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it 
>> was so twisted.
>>
>> Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>> Behalf Of Bob Bridges
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:21 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
>> programming language of 2020
>>
>> I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people 
>> have seen it, as far as I can tell.
>>
>> The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is 
>> that no programmer in the world would make such a system and then 
>> throw away the Stop button.  No engineer would do that with a machine 
>> he built, either.  Too many things can go wrong.
>>
>> But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.
>>
>> ---
>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>>
>> /* The only thing UFO aliens deserve is to be ignored...and when we 
>> finally develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery 
>> little butts shot down.  Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if 
>> true! -- describes the behavior of decent, polite, honorable visitors to our 
>> world.
>> -David Brin in a 1998 on-line interview */
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>> On Behalf Of scott Ford
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:38
>>
>> Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,
>>
>> Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take 
>> over saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My 
>> favorite show, ‘Person of Interest’.
>> --
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

Elect a clown get a circus 

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM scott Ford  wrote:

> Seymour,
>
> Oh yes sir
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:54 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
>> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a
>> similar parody on our own times.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
>> of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
>> programming language of 2020
>>
>> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads the
>> pack.  My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . . . "
>> (War Games), right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it was
>> so twisted.
>>
>> Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
>> Of Bob Bridges
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:21 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
>> programming language of 2020
>>
>> I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people have
>> seen it, as far as I can tell.
>>
>> The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is
>> that no programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw
>> away the Stop button.  No engineer would do that with a machine he built,
>> either.  Too many things can go wrong.
>>
>> But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.
>>
>> ---
>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>>
>> /* The only thing UFO aliens deserve is to be ignored...and when we
>> finally develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery little
>> butts shot down.  Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if true! --
>> describes the behavior of decent, polite, honorable visitors to our world.
>> -David Brin in a 1998 on-line interview */
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of scott Ford
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:38
>>
>> Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,
>>
>> Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over
>> saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show,
>> ‘Person of Interest’.
>> --
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

Seymour,

Oh yes sir

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:54 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a
> similar parody on our own times.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads the
> pack.  My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . . . "
> (War Games), right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it was
> so twisted.
>
> Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Bob Bridges
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:21 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people have
> seen it, as far as I can tell.
>
> The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is that
> no programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw away the
> Stop button.  No engineer would do that with a machine he built, either.
> Too many things can go wrong.
>
> But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* The only thing UFO aliens deserve is to be ignored...and when we
> finally develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery little
> butts shot down.  Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if true! --
> describes the behavior of decent, polite, honorable visitors to our world.
> -David Brin in a 1998 on-line interview */
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of scott Ford
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:38
>
> Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,
>
> Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over
> saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show,
> ‘Person of Interest’.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe for a 
similar parody on our own times.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
language of 2020

For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads the pack. 
 My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . . . " (War Games), 
right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it was so twisted.

Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?

Peter

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
language of 2020

I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people have seen 
it, as far as I can tell.

The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is that no 
programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw away the Stop 
button.  No engineer would do that with a machine he built, either.  Too many 
things can go wrong.

But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.

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interview */


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Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,

Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over saying 
‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show, ‘Person of 
Interest’.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS, or not up to date. 
I'd like to see z/OS positioned to use the full range of current 
implementations of popular languages and interpreters, e.g., MoarVM, Qobe. What 
I'd really like is for IBM et al to work with CPAN et al to get z/OS changes 
into the official code bases. Running in a container is certainly useful, but 
addresses a different problem.



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Shmuel Metz wrote:
>Now if they could just bring z/OS support for Kotlin, Lua,
>Perl, Raku, Ruby and Rust up to date ...
>Yes, bringing the port up to date includes first porting it ;-)

Let's take these in order

1. As far as I know, as long as you use the Kotlin compiler to target a
Java Runtime Environment (JRE) -- the typical/usual pattern -- your
program will (also) run on z/OS. The basic command line compiler syntax is
as follows, assuming Kotlin source code in the file hello.kt:

kotlinc hello.kt -include-runtime -d hello.jar
java -jar hello.jar

There's also a potential future path that'll support Kotlin's LLVM target
(since z/OS now supports LLVM), but that's speculative.

2. There's a z/OS build of Lua available here:

http://secure-web.cisco.com/1nKNP4GyvVRODUkXu1ywIAoH4u7BdSjxSdtc9G7Wxk2MvWkEN9j0Oy-x-8l3-rQnmy1X1w39ORA6BC8MWoP1jX3BWYSyeXJvhCMD5w99Alza7MY2o4jR0B30n9uTrG8esQlkZaofUgwa_ETYgm65yhdpDvq4gvRdnBzmmRo3KK9zCdVCfDNojjmpBXbT5AkSfdQip-rt7HjxDpyRX_XcINCtGpW3YeH4V9p-O1ReDBAGy6iPTLHs4gtuYxiHqdrmpu5kYEdwHPZA4j8u2ctJ6N5lgsZIVoFyx4_pm0o-KEOV1SK9mtqooNKydOi5NFzOKHdEzZ9wh7fCD8xh1qCGgzazC3yya21X6nDwLWXcmwEXx8yAbZ8ISI9qqfq_vfdeTbH0umh9YtgXMvr8xNxqHgdTHqSOwtNxLlqibyLCubxx3w2ZRNL-o1oxXPn695zap/http%3A%2F%2Flua4z.com

This is a circa 2014 build of Lua. Fundi Software created, maintains, and
supports this distribution, so if you'd like something newer then feel
free to inquire.

3. Rocket Software offers Perl for z/OS here (currently 5.24.0, which was
released on May 8, 2016):

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1alV14CozZPvgagoYhec5SZzxxXLY2QZW5Lh-LpUivj4Jo1Yq5pgL0CPhr2fdPSW5aEZJbt1QJYO8mF5VhTj2twyVeUn7SGtZ57viHj9fgJ_YsvpB-0FGX9flIi7tZNfOWX3ZcS3Z7W0xftx5OnRjpDj0jH1_LgYm-J5SCl7SPflDaPxV8FhhCTZB6zcnft4CvPu98JGTIE8_pc7Q2JwoI-URXN_Y7SSEssXlWQaXDA6q6ufqoFoIfZupV9PMGax0_VlYph5v55BUjmwacxKxfzzDUNErIRE234SCGK1AkqiNANQU3-aKZH69wwD2sJU4Pipx-HyZcKjoiNXr3XlvpQVulsA0FaLlOxmB993elgcNjvw-OPUxdSiR2M0WxPjUzhliP8cXRpXtqT64zFcqoAmwdh8JlgVN5hdV9-7xNAqGq0MJ6YiNY4YXMTKd3O7EIYQjNRtVE9ilXXblLYA7fw/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rocketsoftware.com%2Fzos-open-source

4. For Raku, go grab the Rakudo distribution and target a JVM
(--target=jar). Or use Rakudo.js to target Node.js (JavaScript) since
Node.js is available for z/OS:

https://www.ibm.com/products/sdk-nodejs-compiler-zos

To my knowledge there's no difficulty with either path.

5. JRuby is available:

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1_uMq3GLJ9HTGBlszWMSuyLJrFJw7L9oeYIJA-3of5gQzsfySNu6IgZvmoj4zQtpA9lI2PGp3gi37A0pcV_-akxGAtvM7PPvmhQaqI_HrU1F03gQZVn35JHKRfhbKi_akuMCHKl6Jxw0XTe5h_A8r_Yf4sJD7K_tifTzN0Wcd1oALF_Ulqx7eFUpt1QydCRax91Si77W-nrrfiCQCtHg1xIUOB4uuAsqT9R3a5uwlgxgIGMaAUHzdv4ZRNKZjHpw1Cq5lmWNznGvBkzF2kmDGzL4BrUDhQaZn8JLU3EiiHQpdipBeG5ZYp037SdHI34BSSZJKAAggOFiZg2I7-YzuxoBAdQbgos8gDrHFgcIRT3eZrCaAKWY6rB9UxqQ-KP9rb48Z_sbz6vv73PKDfCvySGgaZ2mOYe2xCzX7SfHNvWdj86FRFJbr83pY3-d_3q20LVdf4cpThZgRwCSBhTyCYg/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jruby.org

The best implementation of Ruby for z/OS is probably currently the Docker
container image that runs in the z/OS Container Extensions:

https://secure-web.cisco.com/183dflPtktXM2fwPPw_eirxf06lcUK0v_jn8pu39cKPKdfWNrFJXD3y_qQia_gjA1OlKuSGjQw07N1njqjr0y0w5EjkVpYZkdgcOaWwlsrvrIXKuP6mxFCq-yjuJf93g9B-gj1bWRZFS_8H0E93go7cFPI893PGM8BCid_gJIeHE-T4icFYbAVav4ldhfnYw4l9VsHjT3ktOKdR6c0eMG-AOCvbkDDKzlKsgJRtUtO1pkSucSK-u2OWSR2f8Wy4RSZiwTR5ATSmZdZxiSVElFJoUpyzzfV_aL1ptFI2o-pb4lZT4Jh1rLFC2xBVuN46hYBuLTTm7OiW2G3bMkPvBFEJhJ84UQLMwPlIHxdA4aGoOXyXRbMITyVdgjuupQCn_OI5pkEUyah5k1PI5WawbD9tA8H_Le3789K7VQHINq48UyoaaS9zn8nmZTeAfxuF8qEtCvP8UhkBeuLiL9595M0w/https%3A%2F%2Fhub.docker.com%2F_%2Fruby

6. Rust will need LLVM, now available on z/OS. However, you can already
compile and run Rust code via the z/OS Container Extensions.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Timothy Sipples]

Shmuel Metz wrote:
>Now if they could just bring z/OS support for Kotlin, Lua,
>Perl, Raku, Ruby and Rust up to date ...
>Yes, bringing the port up to date includes first porting it ;-)

Let's take these in order

1. As far as I know, as long as you use the Kotlin compiler to target a 
Java Runtime Environment (JRE) -- the typical/usual pattern -- your 
program will (also) run on z/OS. The basic command line compiler syntax is 
as follows, assuming Kotlin source code in the file hello.kt:

kotlinc hello.kt -include-runtime -d hello.jar
java -jar hello.jar

There's also a potential future path that'll support Kotlin's LLVM target 
(since z/OS now supports LLVM), but that's speculative.

2. There's a z/OS build of Lua available here:

http://lua4z.com

This is a circa 2014 build of Lua. Fundi Software created, maintains, and 
supports this distribution, so if you'd like something newer then feel 
free to inquire.

3. Rocket Software offers Perl for z/OS here (currently 5.24.0, which was 
released on May 8, 2016):

https://www.rocketsoftware.com/zos-open-source

4. For Raku, go grab the Rakudo distribution and target a JVM 
(--target=jar). Or use Rakudo.js to target Node.js (JavaScript) since 
Node.js is available for z/OS:

https://www.ibm.com/products/sdk-nodejs-compiler-zos

To my knowledge there's no difficulty with either path.

5. JRuby is available:

https://www.jruby.org

The best implementation of Ruby for z/OS is probably currently the Docker 
container image that runs in the z/OS Container Extensions:

https://hub.docker.com/_/ruby

6. Rust will need LLVM, now available on z/OS. However, you can already 
compile and run Rust code via the z/OS Container Extensions.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

Peter my vote also...

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:39 PM Farley, Peter x23353 <
peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote:

> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads the
> pack.  My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . . . "
> (War Games), right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it was
> so twisted.
>
> Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?
>
> Peter
>
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> language of 2020
>
> I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people have
> seen it, as far as I can tell.
>
> The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is that
> no programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw away the
> Stop button.  No engineer would do that with a machine he built, either.
> Too many things can go wrong.
>
> But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
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> finally develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery little
> butts shot down.  Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if true! --
> describes the behavior of decent, polite, honorable visitors to our world.
> -David Brin in a 1998 on-line interview */
>
>
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> Behalf Of scott Ford
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>
> Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,
>
> Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over
> saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show,
> ‘Person of Interest’.
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[Farley, Peter x23353]

For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads the pack. 
 My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . . . " (War Games), 
right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply because it was so twisted.

Mutual Assured Destruction indeed.  Is SkyNet far away?

Peter

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I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people have seen 
it, as far as I can tell.

The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is that no 
programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw away the Stop 
button.  No engineer would do that with a machine he built, either.  Too many 
things can go wrong.

But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.

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/* The only thing UFO aliens deserve is to be ignored...and when we finally 
develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery little butts shot down. 
 Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if true! -- describes the behavior of 
decent, polite, honorable visitors to our world.  -David Brin in a 1998 on-line 
interview */


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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:38

Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,

Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over saying 
‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show, ‘Person of 
Interest’.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Bob Bridges]

I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project".  Not many people have seen 
it, as far as I can tell.

The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is that no 
programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw away the Stop 
button.  No engineer would do that with a machine he built, either.  Too many 
things can go wrong.

But a fun movie, if you can ignore that.

---
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/* The only thing UFO aliens deserve is to be ignored...and when we finally 
develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery little butts shot down. 
 Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if true! -- describes the behavior of 
decent, polite, honorable visitors to our world.  -David Brin in a 1998 on-line 
interview */


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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:38

Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,

Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over
saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show,
‘Person of Interest’.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’,

Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over
saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show,
‘Person of Interest’.


Scott

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:18 AM Thomas Kern <
0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> My view is:
> "You can write Fortran in any language, badly."
>
> /Tom Kern
>
> On 05/10/2020 10:13, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> > "You can write Fortran in any language."
> >
> >
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[Thomas Kern]

My view is:
"You can write Fortran in any language, badly."

/Tom Kern

On 05/10/2020 10:13, Seymour J Metz wrote:

"You can write Fortran in any language."


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[Seymour J Metz]

"You can write Fortran in any language."


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On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.
> Toss one up - perhaps.
>
>> If that's not your beat,
> My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can 
> maintain, not to write throw-away code.

I'm all in favor of nicely structured code others can maintain.

PHP can be like that, if written correctly.

If you want unmaintainable spaghetti, though, there's nothing quite like
JavaScript :)


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

I like PL/I, but even had it taken over the marketplace form Algol 60, COBOL 
and Fortran, there would still have been a need for domain specific languages. 
OTOH, maybe they would have had cleaner syntax.


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PL/I, the language to replace all other languages.  At least that's what IBM 
said.

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Nice web site and pottery!

PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for 
scripting under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn something new though 
- web page scraping in whatever language they use for Chrome plug-ins.  Now I 
guess I'll have to look at this "Go" thing too.  When will it all settle down 
to just one programming language??  Ha - I know, never.

On 5/9/2020 6:49 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing
>> calls for PHP,
>
> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the
> one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/13d2X-eaZ9Lxm67qBc_jHTN6PgblpFXYQwwI0OU_WMKjkL5VmUwJuQj3IUkVNVMdEPM8mC4ciG-xwCzeqGse487Dp0CXclIQwqoQOjNLc2NtDXsYBxRl_1CsOe7rH4ZVOWvPrCzIiltXRvBETS_RC2OCtD5DZo4FlWq64iWgs1xmICulVl_-TtJXVu-BUO8P29kWGkkZ8WkNsuNMinrslrSUkRxkdkJ_tHXqoXngzhUv-wec6zDxltT--tC_r2AwwiPN0vPwUZNLjZS5DQYCl1ZSF6hQWy4qfFurIgFOmCRm_s9rm6FsVU8klzjcksG1KdRnT_diNfCcu7tn6T0W5ATb8_21WUhF5y1GKYv7ijSF2djHWEnYsOr011kxoFhNNDufmTE4hOazxjHvvY4HNSGwLl26b8YNKA54Pb-mPNXZToP_nEYKilClxGTa2ulPU/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
>
> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with
> huge community module support including scientific programming.
>

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

ObDatamation


 Then he turned with a snarl,
 And he said with a taunt,
 "It's just what I asked for,
 But not what I want!"


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Thanks, now my head is going to explode :)

Maybe one day it'll be like Star Trek where we get to tell the computer
to create the program for us, like a designer would describe general
specs to a programmer today, then go through an evaluation and
corrections without ever seeing any actual code.

Now I'm reminded of an episode ending that always bothers me, TNG Hollow
Pursuits:

"Computer.  End programming.  Erase all programs filed under Reginald
Barclay."



"Except program nine"

Hey!  It's too late.  You already deleted ALL the programs.

On 5/9/2020 9:47 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>> When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha - I
>> know, never.
>
> Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/17DMNzgpSIfLQHbMjH3uRRQ5nAKfJNBLRwOuXAAEQgE7ob2mnKwylz4zyfp_c4i18PdAGZwX672iC_D2qOs3NUrvBmrMCYcjn1uiMRdAK5j1vsrk4YJNlUK3PZaqO-5FXio_5Gd6EhPuobXZKliSYJX0BekiPOPWMM8rHaiKZG8drurSWR_zEUDjHAW7uZ4vAlKU8V0J507bslkNOCMleYxIEvsV5wRro1GOlR9GEZ4OjeJPmBS7LtPPU74foo8j9YoM8nzeAtWD0oFdd8zo_veMoVEah9K7Fr3LOdhRhmWLEEGJesrUJ16_VWwYeWeygeYpWwzKcJg2AfpzMjRMVY35HoLnQ-CgaZbihUfokxbwEXhRbyYoDmt7FhvWw19chyjNn0-TbJhsofIHynRNOU_ysjEtq1ZDq6XuO92k_VbEPt-_sY0a7fey-ic3jaojGE1n52nafm-giyZtyJ3QUmw/https%3A%2F%2Fjulialang.org%2F.
>
> It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because of
> the great design it's possible to write a tracing JIT that produces code
> that runs as fast as C. Parallelism is baked in too. It's becoming very
> popular in the data science community and is likely to eat into Python
> pretty quickly.
>
> The reason new languages keep appearing is because the ones we have now
> are not that great.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

"I'm sorry Richard, I can't do that."


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What the world really needs is a HAL9000.

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Thanks, now my head is going to explode :)

Maybe one day it'll be like Star Trek where we get to tell the computer to 
create the program for us, like a designer would describe general specs to a 
programmer today, then go through an evaluation and corrections without ever 
seeing any actual code.

Now I'm reminded of an episode ending that always bothers me, TNG Hollow
Pursuits:

"Computer.  End programming.  Erase all programs filed under Reginald Barclay."



"Except program nine"

Hey!  It's too late.  You already deleted ALL the programs.

On 5/9/2020 9:47 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>> When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha -
>> I know, never.
>
> Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1UUUpmgc5GVhyWUlEGQCz8OyH52cYPUvgF6A5KGRIUuXNH9q1WoW53mX9c1y1scY7hndmx0t7tN4BRFB0T0hpFaXItehEMR_mxhVJIF_SOOPpidzqOUFk47A-kj8yhfBLCqFNOGCHFXM5TuJTuUACowO2J9iH7B3ouDABi6ftDIlwnhDDSnajp0SafYHC-RZLaf9O8ToHGhG0xj6yXVnfs3VBlMXblzB9UIIO3NG17br-MlK8akobafZWw_NcWLBklCSF0rzRgn7GL_JfVtboj68on43M9iBJkofI1uZXl88OTv8D01Kxv6uYtq6m8OsX30WhwT0hSXO3roRPY3dJVMAXej2twEidn-sR0K8feE-nYChAy3roz4k19qt2P2ttroeEzR0CGYAA2P_HuQ6GagJE_9BwlDu_JoClOaMCZhZD5LgkYaY1J71QlIm59MbhJMI1vyrhrankLTmeFQGyCw/https%3A%2F%2Fjulialang.org%2F.
>
> It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because
> of the great design it's possible to write a tracing JIT that produces
> code that runs as fast as C. Parallelism is baked in too. It's
> becoming very popular in the data science community and is likely to
> eat into Python pretty quickly.
>
> The reason new languages keep appearing is because the ones we have
> now are not that great.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

On 2020-05-10 3:36 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:

Uh oh...

He also has https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/


Yep, JavaScript sucks! But it doesn't suck as much as PHP and since ES6 
much of that nastiness has been fixed. And there's also TypeScript which 
is what we use.



and even https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-this-blog-suck/

I read his PHP page to the point where he says the PHP online doc 
sucks.  I have to disagree - I think it's one of the best methods I've 
ever seen of handling programming language documentation.


Manual is fine. For a more objective critique checkout out 
http://phpsadness.com/. What's good with this site is that you can see 
the PHP version where problems have been fixed.





On 5/9/2020 11:58 PM, David Crayford wrote:
Anyway, don't take my word for it! This guy created a website just to 
rant about why PHP sucks https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-php-suck/


On 2020-05-10 12:45 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Toss one up - perhaps.


If that's not your beat,
My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me 
can maintain, not to write throw-away code.


I'm all in favor of nicely structured code others can maintain.

PHP can be like that, if written correctly.

If you want unmaintainable spaghetti, though, there's nothing quite 
like JavaScript :)





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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Tom Brennan]

Uh oh...

He also has https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/
and even https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-this-blog-suck/

I read his PHP page to the point where he says the PHP online doc sucks. 
 I have to disagree - I think it's one of the best methods I've ever 
seen of handling programming language documentation.


On 5/9/2020 11:58 PM, David Crayford wrote:
Anyway, don't take my word for it! This guy created a website just to 
rant about why PHP sucks https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-php-suck/


On 2020-05-10 12:45 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Toss one up - perhaps.


If that's not your beat,
My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can 
maintain, not to write throw-away code.


I'm all in favor of nicely structured code others can maintain.

PHP can be like that, if written correctly.

If you want unmaintainable spaghetti, though, there's nothing quite 
like JavaScript :)





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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Was excited in 1981 when "The Last One" was announced. It meant we wouldn't
ever need another programming language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_One_(software)

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:28 PM PINION, RICHARD W. 
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> What the world really needs is a HAL9000.
>
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> Thanks, now my head is going to explode :)
>
> Maybe one day it'll be like Star Trek where we get to tell the computer to
> create the program for us, like a designer would describe general specs to
> a programmer today, then go through an evaluation and corrections without
> ever seeing any actual code.
>
> Now I'm reminded of an episode ending that always bothers me, TNG Hollow
> Pursuits:
>
> "Computer.  End programming.  Erase all programs filed under Reginald
> Barclay."
>
> 
>
> "Except program nine"
>
> Hey!  It's too late.  You already deleted ALL the programs.
>
> On 5/9/2020 9:47 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> > On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> >> When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha -
> >> I know, never.
> >
> > Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia
> > https://julialang.org/.
> >
> > It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because
> > of the great design it's possible to write a tracing JIT that produces
> > code that runs as fast as C. Parallelism is baked in too. It's
> > becoming very popular in the data science community and is likely to
> > eat into Python pretty quickly.
> >
> > The reason new languages keep appearing is because the ones we have
> > now are not that great.
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What the world really needs is a HAL9000.

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Thanks, now my head is going to explode :)

Maybe one day it'll be like Star Trek where we get to tell the computer to 
create the program for us, like a designer would describe general specs to a 
programmer today, then go through an evaluation and corrections without ever 
seeing any actual code.

Now I'm reminded of an episode ending that always bothers me, TNG Hollow
Pursuits:

"Computer.  End programming.  Erase all programs filed under Reginald Barclay."



"Except program nine"

Hey!  It's too late.  You already deleted ALL the programs.

On 5/9/2020 9:47 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>> When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha - 
>> I know, never.
>
> Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia 
> https://julialang.org/.
>
> It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because 
> of the great design it's possible to write a tracing JIT that produces 
> code that runs as fast as C. Parallelism is baked in too. It's 
> becoming very popular in the data science community and is likely to 
> eat into Python pretty quickly.
>
> The reason new languages keep appearing is because the ones we have 
> now are not that great.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks, now my head is going to explode :)

Maybe one day it'll be like Star Trek where we get to tell the computer 
to create the program for us, like a designer would describe general 
specs to a programmer today, then go through an evaluation and 
corrections without ever seeing any actual code.


Now I'm reminded of an episode ending that always bothers me, TNG Hollow 
Pursuits:


"Computer.  End programming.  Erase all programs filed under Reginald 
Barclay."




"Except program nine"

Hey!  It's too late.  You already deleted ALL the programs.

On 5/9/2020 9:47 PM, David Crayford wrote:

On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha - I 
know, never. 


Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia 
https://julialang.org/.


It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because of 
the great design it's possible to write a tracing JIT that produces code
that runs as fast as C. Parallelism is baked in too. It's becoming very 
popular in the data science community and is likely to eat into Python

pretty quickly.

The reason new languages keep appearing is because the ones we have now 
are not that great.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

Anyway, don't take my word for it! This guy created a website just to 
rant about why PHP sucks https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-php-suck/


On 2020-05-10 12:45 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Toss one up - perhaps.


If that's not your beat,
My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can 
maintain, not to write throw-away code.


I'm all in favor of nicely structured code others can maintain.

PHP can be like that, if written correctly.

If you want unmaintainable spaghetti, though, there's nothing quite 
like JavaScript :)





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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

On 2020-05-10 12:44 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

I appreciate that.

If you're a js programmer, you're a js programmer.

I was talking about data center programmers who have to do anything 
and everything at the drop of a hat.


PHP is for them. 


It's certainly not in our data center. I had to learn PHP when I was 
working with Wordpress. The more I learned about it the more I detested it.

That was in the good old days of LAMP stacks.

I honestly can't think of anything I could do in PHP which isn't easier 
to do in JavaScript. Even creating HTML which is PHP's forte is easier 
in JS using a library like React.


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[PINION, RICHARD W.]

PL/I, the language to replace all other languages.  At least that's what IBM 
said.

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Nice web site and pottery!

PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for 
scripting under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn something new though 
- web page scraping in whatever language they use for Chrome plug-ins.  Now I 
guess I'll have to look at this "Go" thing too.  When will it all settle down 
to just one programming language??  Ha - I know, never.

On 5/9/2020 6:49 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing 
>> calls for PHP,
>
> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the 
> one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com
>
> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with 
> huge community module support including scientific programming.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha - I 
know, never. 


Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia 
https://julialang.org/.


It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because of 
the great design it's possible to write a tracing JIT that produces code
that runs as fast as C. Parallelism is baked in too. It's becoming very 
popular in the data science community and is likely to eat into Python

pretty quickly.

The reason new languages keep appearing is because the ones we have now 
are not that great.


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On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Toss one up - perhaps.


If that's not your beat,

My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can maintain, 
not to write throw-away code.


I'm all in favor of nicely structured code others can maintain.

PHP can be like that, if written correctly.

If you want unmaintainable spaghetti, though, there's nothing quite like 
JavaScript :)



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[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 9:59 PM, David Crayford wrote:

I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS 
port of PHP as part of ported tools. Nobody uses it internally. We do have a 
lot of products coming online that use Node.js. The young guys seem to be able 
to get stuff up and and running in matter of hours next not days. We use 
components https://www.carbondesignsystem.com/


I appreciate that.

If you're a js programmer, you're a js programmer.

I was talking about data center programmers who have to do anything and 
everything at the drop of a hat.


PHP is for them.

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[Tom Brennan]

I didn't mean to imply PHP was any better than the others.  I just tend 
to head for it first because I'm relatively comfortable with it.


On 5/9/2020 8:59 PM, David Crayford wrote:

I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS 
port of PHP as part of ported tools. Nobody uses it internally. We do have a 
lot of products coming online that use Node.js. The young guys seem to be able 
to get stuff up and and running in matter of hours next not days. We use 
components https://www.carbondesignsystem.com/


On 10 May 2020, at 11:33 am, Tom Brennan  wrote:

Nice web site and pottery!

PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for scripting 
under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn something new though - web page scraping 
in whatever language they use for Chrome plug-ins.  Now I guess I'll have to look at this 
"Go" thing too.  When will it all settle down to just one programming 
language??  Ha - I know, never.


On 5/9/2020 6:49 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for PHP,

PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I coded 
"by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com
Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge 
community module support including scientific programming.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

> PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Toss one up - perhaps.

> If that's not your beat,

My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can maintain, 
not to write throw-away code.


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On 5/9/20 9:01 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly as much as it deserves. Fun? Well, it's not 
> my dog.

PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Which is why it hangs around, supported by individuals charged with the
task of bring up fairly complex sites on a short budget.

If that's not your beat, then PHP is not your language.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS 
port of PHP as part of ported tools. Nobody uses it internally. We do have a 
lot of products coming online that use Node.js. The young guys seem to be able 
to get stuff up and and running in matter of hours next not days. We use 
components https://www.carbondesignsystem.com/

> On 10 May 2020, at 11:33 am, Tom Brennan  wrote:
> 
> Nice web site and pottery!
> 
> PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for 
> scripting under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn something new 
> though - web page scraping in whatever language they use for Chrome plug-ins. 
>  Now I guess I'll have to look at this "Go" thing too.  When will it all 
> settle down to just one programming language??  Ha - I know, never.
> 
>> On 5/9/2020 6:49 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for 
>>> PHP,
>> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I 
>> coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com
>> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge 
>> community module support including scientific programming.
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[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 9:33 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:

Nice web site and pottery!


Thanks from me and from Sumi von Dassow!

PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and 
also for scripting under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn 
something new though - web page scraping in whatever language they use 
for Chrome plug-ins.  Now I guess I'll have to look at this "Go" thing 
too.  When will it all settle down to just one programming language??  
Ha - I know, never.


Yup. I find the Mozilla Developer Network articles and videos very 
helpful for keeping up with the ever-evolving technology of web design.


https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Tom Brennan]

Nice web site and pottery!

PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also 
for scripting under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn something 
new though - web page scraping in whatever language they use for Chrome 
plug-ins.  Now I guess I'll have to look at this "Go" thing too.  When 
will it all settle down to just one programming language??  Ha - I know, 
never.


On 5/9/2020 6:49 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing 
calls for PHP,


PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the 
one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com


Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with 
huge community module support including scientific programming.




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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 9:25 PM, David Crayford wrote:

That’s debatable! Most people would consider Node.js, Python Django or Ruby on 
Rails paired with a JavaScript framework like React to be far superior to PHP.


Far superior, perhaps.

Easier to get it done fast, like in a day or two, changing it a few 
minutes a day twice a week for the next two years the way projects are 
bumbled through in a modern understaffed data center?


Nah, PHP for choice.

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[David Crayford]

That’s debatable! Most people would consider Node.js, Python Django or Ruby on 
Rails paired with a JavaScript framework like React to be far superior to PHP.  

> On 10 May 2020, at 11:12 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> 
>> On 5/9/20 9:01 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly as much as it deserves. Fun? Well, it's not 
>> my dog.
> 
> PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.
> 
> Which is why it hangs around, supported by individuals charged with the task 
> of bring up fairly complex sites on a short budget.
> 
> If that's not your beat, then PHP is not your language.
> 
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[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 9:01 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly as much as it deserves. Fun? Well, it's not my 
dog.


PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Which is why it hangs around, supported by individuals charged with the 
task of bring up fairly complex sites on a short budget.


If that's not your beat, then PHP is not your language.

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[Seymour J Metz]

Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly as much as it deserves. Fun? Well, it's not my 
dog.


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On 5/9/20 7:53 PM, David Crayford wrote:
> No it’s not it’s a terrible language

Oh, don't be such a siwwy wabbit. It's a lot of fun. Despite its flaws
and obscurity, it's a lot of fun to code in and widely used in the IBM i
world, which I mostly inhabit these days.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 7:53 PM, David Crayford wrote:

No it’s not it’s a terrible language


Oh, don't be such a siwwy wabbit. It's a lot of fun. Despite its flaws 
and obscurity, it's a lot of fun to code in and widely used in the IBM i 
world, which I mostly inhabit these days.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Now if they could just bring z/OS support for Kotlin, Lua, Perl, Raku, Ruby and 
Rust up to date ...

Yes, bringing the port up to date includes first porting it ;-)


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https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
IBM intends to enable Go on z/OS - Mainframe 
DEV<https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/>
IBM intends to enable a full native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS. IBM 
intends to enable a native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS, further 
strengthening its portfolio of compiler technologies and partnership with the 
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Bob Bridges]

Not really the same thing, but I love Dave Barry's comment on brand naming (see 
tagline).

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I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
"East Bay Mud."

Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a great 
name, had they had a sense of humor.

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[Wayne Bickerdike]

When you have almost no reference material, the internet was 15 years away.
A trip to the National Lending library in Boston Spa and hand copying from
a Dr Dobbs journal is the best you can do on a limited budget and time
frame.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:24 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Java?
>
>
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> language of 2020
>
> Yes. And there is no mention in the Java spec that mentions deterministic
> GC which is why it’s not suitable for life safety software. My bad. I
> shouldn’t assume that these are common knowledge.
>
> > On 10 May 2020, at 9:57 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> >
> > ObG You don't see a value in being a source of innocent merriment, of
> innocent merriment?
> >
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> > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
> programming language of 2020
> >
> > No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the
> butt of jokes in the programming community
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> >
> >>> On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> >>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing
> calls for PHP,
> >>
> >> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the
> one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1mTHcHlezB5ejC_FMzQtE5ybv8Zeaikbmfcv0JVPU3pVqsy38TrI6-9QZcNHNOMG_tBEofzFfGk7cLsCafh5q4l9goACwzFSth1rXOV09KzfTH42memOyQc0_ZIQrdD_pbuQl3QkFmdgxxkUPpgCUJ74CSHzxX3mQqbAJrxYthv2LOa5qIwGfgrDDkup85VAZUDOprlKqnP9-XO8gTJH0GcP8UbEvfrhKKoEjm8n9c3Gi-VneocloK0IEoqXUir-STwXOhpn7pT5aPo7FEpLcbJgPNdgAeOPkZL-CGDdFfBiDdByscI97cpRQODJJEbs5qJ3oODoXi4oLTFWIVlx7an99vIvH5urzADThcYcLyHW3bpeFJvwOn5lgBgI4-fmGVHN8C6AZJi-81m9Ttzewo6dVUj47H-6A78W2nXty4zIUI10b0TFK8Weaf72Ikwzj/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
> >>
> >> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with
> huge community module support including scientific programming.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a
> way of
> >>
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uqFUsBXMBauVrR8Uakeug9FStWlp0g6Lt0JEId5KI8qLiResqrI9uOOuwrABJlA6LVmGBNNm0B7yhlAGXiSO2bEvRZpcmJxufMAJ_2etp0veVYOGv76E2aRzjxYmWVWzh4MtC0kalyLZ6ZWGSlWqBoDpV2Orh_YDnIxkszNpJwf28qUY--SLXu14vlT9XUqpIgmFicTqa_8Cs0vtkJOBm2lvZak0rBIXNUY_t-8jvFh5QZtcGDgDSz3u67_fQ4CIkgMXq8AqRCerrt7a57Kg_tURYi9G-AjyU17RpTLqZDjTx9q3my133cCSAM_UnAY2_bA8hKdIu0QNN0Kk5nWju9WYs8HYg4IJ98pd3pytPcmROp2NHshWkJnt0wRlPiUt4Mv10jxrvfK3K-rs_MGC4zbcWGP12igxboyGANChYY-giw2mf-9kq0slCboL8Ngx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.well.com%2F%7Ejax
> # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
> >>
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1lg13x6tA3YPMj8LRQDUaW0UH3E7FL4mvSW-nVPb-qieoaQAzZ4z8BsJQ5JlTO7834Rvk2qY0bgPNgrEI0h6A4176AVudEw0f_XtdCJQTUDdAHiY8HH5SfVJkgkUpupY9cupbWh-UdSzs9_KylgtAjC7oPfgdw2qRgZhqaxlyKm6FuoVNs1IKAuiHYW968-uVO-k7tMlhKSDmK99J2KN55hOOw_s9QSlihzvtEbpbuFXWTGeRtOf2UYOJ8E-2Ghjnyj7_-mnY0OwKnpTSoP8ObiIFix5hXfDGWhG1S2Tc_BQFlBTEQAV81VDjQfo003Fq2wefP9BD6G7pk2ACcCKm3d_ZS44o199KBVyngIIYTO2T9eAm7Hw6x3ZRwJ073df7CfN6XA0-O-00AyDXyk0_i_gAcLSZh4vU-FS1FqLciz4ccM9maH1sWv0go8y5EQpK/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.softwoehr.com
> # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Java?


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Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
language of 2020

Yes. And there is no mention in the Java spec that mentions deterministic GC 
which is why it’s not suitable for life safety software. My bad. I shouldn’t 
assume that these are common knowledge.

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:57 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> ObG You don't see a value in being a source of innocent merriment, of 
> innocent merriment?
>
>
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
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> David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:53 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
>
> No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt 
> of jokes in the programming community 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1D5GbKP7mQ2dc9oqprUrgNUBk-FvcnenDdPYypi1m8b6n46atI0wGLEMheGsHJ7Dihpk9zQ3x_SeyZn4cTqU4mF16qvB2DadtWDJUarrZHV2srPtPWQlt9nTxF31PBig_rxbIue5vNXpyrQdj9AdSNX0kJqthVlsg4ZT2cDx82Tzjg5VO_OUY7BaEqd3s8W_IYai1T7-p5OlI3MVyvEnYj3ezLUHVkjWsstImtb9ImGRXr8DdbmEc7Co_dQRCfDTO4gFfjrTU5NI29lwwr-zqgNm4V4Q1yJDd_mw8dro2RIMltftJd4KzdlQVwf79bqOiQ7SulBtwzTGxHCd9JO8ePnzE7LNwbWgVXdKARySzBEsI34dpuMcCjgtxMWBabZKx8Lt5FC2FBr6_HILicpviSXX8SwrLi1t2y4vs0SMCEW5IJPeDlDn0q7LRfynDOPhQ/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.i-programmer.info%2Fnews%2F98-languages%2F6758-the-reason-for-the-weird-php-function-names.html
>
>>> On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for 
>>> PHP,
>>
>> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I 
>> coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery 
>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1mTHcHlezB5ejC_FMzQtE5ybv8Zeaikbmfcv0JVPU3pVqsy38TrI6-9QZcNHNOMG_tBEofzFfGk7cLsCafh5q4l9goACwzFSth1rXOV09KzfTH42memOyQc0_ZIQrdD_pbuQl3QkFmdgxxkUPpgCUJ74CSHzxX3mQqbAJrxYthv2LOa5qIwGfgrDDkup85VAZUDOprlKqnP9-XO8gTJH0GcP8UbEvfrhKKoEjm8n9c3Gi-VneocloK0IEoqXUir-STwXOhpn7pT5aPo7FEpLcbJgPNdgAeOPkZL-CGDdFfBiDdByscI97cpRQODJJEbs5qJ3oODoXi4oLTFWIVlx7an99vIvH5urzADThcYcLyHW3bpeFJvwOn5lgBgI4-fmGVHN8C6AZJi-81m9Ttzewo6dVUj47H-6A78W2nXty4zIUI10b0TFK8Weaf72Ikwzj/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
>>
>> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge 
>> community module support including scientific programming.
>>
>> --
>> Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uqFUsBXMBauVrR8Uakeug9FStWlp0g6Lt0JEId5KI8qLiResqrI9uOOuwrABJlA6LVmGBNNm0B7yhlAGXiSO2bEvRZpcmJxufMAJ_2etp0veVYOGv76E2aRzjxYmWVWzh4MtC0kalyLZ6ZWGSlWqBoDpV2Orh_YDnIxkszNpJwf28qUY--SLXu14vlT9XUqpIgmFicTqa_8Cs0vtkJOBm2lvZak0rBIXNUY_t-8jvFh5QZtcGDgDSz3u67_fQ4CIkgMXq8AqRCerrt7a57Kg_tURYi9G-AjyU17RpTLqZDjTx9q3my133cCSAM_UnAY2_bA8hKdIu0QNN0Kk5nWju9WYs8HYg4IJ98pd3pytPcmROp2NHshWkJnt0wRlPiUt4Mv10jxrvfK3K-rs_MGC4zbcWGP12igxboyGANChYY-giw2mf-9kq0slCboL8Ngx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.well.com%2F%7Ejax
>>  # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1lg13x6tA3YPMj8LRQDUaW0UH3E7FL4mvSW-nVPb-qieoaQAzZ4z8BsJQ5JlTO7834Rvk2qY0bgPNgrEI0h6A4176AVudEw0f_XtdCJQTUDdAHiY8HH5SfVJkgkUpupY9cupbWh-UdSzs9_KylgtAjC7oPfgdw2qRgZhqaxlyKm6FuoVNs1IKAuiHYW968-uVO-k7tMlhKSDmK99J2KN55hOOw_s9QSlihzvtEbpbuFXWTGeRtOf2UYOJ8E-2Ghjnyj7_-mnY0OwKnpTSoP8ObiIFix5hXfDGWhG1S2Tc_BQFlBTEQAV81VDjQfo003Fq2wefP9BD6G7pk2ACcCKm3d_ZS44o199KBVyngIIYTO2T9eAm7Hw6x3ZRwJ073df7CfN6XA0-O-00AyDXyk0_i_gAcLSZh4vU-FS1FqLciz4ccM9maH1sWv0go8y5EQpK/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.softwoehr.com
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

True, the pirates also enjoyed innocent merriment, especially paradoxes.

These days I'm so frustrated with google's race to the bottom that I often use 
wiki as my search engine of choice. I really want a Do What I Said (DWIS) 
search engine with regexen.

Bubble sort is an N**2 sort; for a reasonable number of items, any of the 
standard N log N sorts should beat it hands down. Coding bubble sort in 
assembler is putting lipstick on a pig.


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Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
language of 2020

I am the very model of a modern garbage collector.

Interesting wiki Seymour. I did write some programs on the Apple II in
Basic and remember those huge pauses. We did a lot of memory string sorting
to get ordered data from the primitive floppy disks. We thought it was our
assembler bubble sort that was the culprit. Maybe not.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:58 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> ObG You don't see a value in being a source of innocent merriment, of
> innocent merriment?
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:53 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the
> butt of jokes in the programming community
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1D5GbKP7mQ2dc9oqprUrgNUBk-FvcnenDdPYypi1m8b6n46atI0wGLEMheGsHJ7Dihpk9zQ3x_SeyZn4cTqU4mF16qvB2DadtWDJUarrZHV2srPtPWQlt9nTxF31PBig_rxbIue5vNXpyrQdj9AdSNX0kJqthVlsg4ZT2cDx82Tzjg5VO_OUY7BaEqd3s8W_IYai1T7-p5OlI3MVyvEnYj3ezLUHVkjWsstImtb9ImGRXr8DdbmEc7Co_dQRCfDTO4gFfjrTU5NI29lwwr-zqgNm4V4Q1yJDd_mw8dro2RIMltftJd4KzdlQVwf79bqOiQ7SulBtwzTGxHCd9JO8ePnzE7LNwbWgVXdKARySzBEsI34dpuMcCjgtxMWBabZKx8Lt5FC2FBr6_HILicpviSXX8SwrLi1t2y4vs0SMCEW5IJPeDlDn0q7LRfynDOPhQ/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.i-programmer.info%2Fnews%2F98-languages%2F6758-the-reason-for-the-weird-php-function-names.html
>
> > On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> >> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls
> for PHP,
> >
> > PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the
> one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1mTHcHlezB5ejC_FMzQtE5ybv8Zeaikbmfcv0JVPU3pVqsy38TrI6-9QZcNHNOMG_tBEofzFfGk7cLsCafh5q4l9goACwzFSth1rXOV09KzfTH42memOyQc0_ZIQrdD_pbuQl3QkFmdgxxkUPpgCUJ74CSHzxX3mQqbAJrxYthv2LOa5qIwGfgrDDkup85VAZUDOprlKqnP9-XO8gTJH0GcP8UbEvfrhKKoEjm8n9c3Gi-VneocloK0IEoqXUir-STwXOhpn7pT5aPo7FEpLcbJgPNdgAeOPkZL-CGDdFfBiDdByscI97cpRQODJJEbs5qJ3oODoXi4oLTFWIVlx7an99vIvH5urzADThcYcLyHW3bpeFJvwOn5lgBgI4-fmGVHN8C6AZJi-81m9Ttzewo6dVUj47H-6A78W2nXty4zIUI10b0TFK8Weaf72Ikwzj/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
> >
> > Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with
> huge community module support including scientific programming.
> >
> > --
> > Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way
> of
> >
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uqFUsBXMBauVrR8Uakeug9FStWlp0g6Lt0JEId5KI8qLiResqrI9uOOuwrABJlA6LVmGBNNm0B7yhlAGXiSO2bEvRZpcmJxufMAJ_2etp0veVYOGv76E2aRzjxYmWVWzh4MtC0kalyLZ6ZWGSlWqBoDpV2Orh_YDnIxkszNpJwf28qUY--SLXu14vlT9XUqpIgmFicTqa_8Cs0vtkJOBm2lvZak0rBIXNUY_t-8jvFh5QZtcGDgDSz3u67_fQ4CIkgMXq8AqRCerrt7a57Kg_tURYi9G-AjyU17RpTLqZDjTx9q3my133cCSAM_UnAY2_bA8hKdIu0QNN0Kk5nWju9WYs8HYg4IJ98pd3pytPcmROp2NHshWkJnt0wRlPiUt4Mv10jxrvfK3K-rs_MGC4zbcWGP12igxboyGANChYY-giw2mf-9kq0slCboL8Ngx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.well.com%2F%7Ejax
> # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
> >
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1lg13x6tA3YPMj8LRQDUaW0UH3E7FL4mvSW-nVPb-qieoaQAzZ4z8BsJQ5JlTO7834Rvk2qY0bgPNgrEI0h6A4176AVudEw0f_XtdCJQTUDdAHiY8HH5SfVJkgkUpupY9cupbWh-UdSzs9_KylgtAjC7oPfgdw2qRgZhqaxlyKm6FuoVNs1IKAuiHYW968-uVO-k7tMlhKSDmK99J2KN55hOOw_s9QSlihzvtEbpbuFXWTGeRtOf2UYOJ8E-2Ghjnyj7_-mnY0OwKnpTSoP8ObiIFix5hXfDGWhG1S2Tc_BQFlBTEQAV81VDjQfo003Fq2wefP9BD6G7pk2ACcCKm3d_ZS44o199KBVyngIIYTO2T9eAm7Hw6x3ZRwJ073df7CfN6XA0-O-00AyDXyk0_i_gAcLSZh4vU-FS1FqLciz4ccM9maH1sWv0go8y5EQpK/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.softwoehr.com
> # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

While I certainly like HLASM and PL/I, I am always interested in new languages. 
Try it, you might like it.


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Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
language of 2020

Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).

Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?

Last three "needed now" jobs were, COBOL, Assembler and PL/I.

go West!

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Frank Swarbrick 
wrote:

>
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
> IBM intends to enable Go on z/OS - Mainframe DEV<
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
> >
> IBM intends to enable a full native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS. IBM
> intends to enable a native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS, further
> strengthening its portfolio of compiler technologies and partnership with
> the open source community.
> developer.ibm.com
>
>
> 
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Wayne Bickerdike]

I am the very model of a modern garbage collector.

Interesting wiki Seymour. I did write some programs on the Apple II in
Basic and remember those huge pauses. We did a lot of memory string sorting
to get ordered data from the primitive floppy disks. We thought it was our
assembler bubble sort that was the culprit. Maybe not.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:58 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> ObG You don't see a value in being a source of innocent merriment, of
> innocent merriment?
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
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>
> No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the
> butt of jokes in the programming community
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>
> > On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> >> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls
> for PHP,
> >
> > PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the
> one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1mTHcHlezB5ejC_FMzQtE5ybv8Zeaikbmfcv0JVPU3pVqsy38TrI6-9QZcNHNOMG_tBEofzFfGk7cLsCafh5q4l9goACwzFSth1rXOV09KzfTH42memOyQc0_ZIQrdD_pbuQl3QkFmdgxxkUPpgCUJ74CSHzxX3mQqbAJrxYthv2LOa5qIwGfgrDDkup85VAZUDOprlKqnP9-XO8gTJH0GcP8UbEvfrhKKoEjm8n9c3Gi-VneocloK0IEoqXUir-STwXOhpn7pT5aPo7FEpLcbJgPNdgAeOPkZL-CGDdFfBiDdByscI97cpRQODJJEbs5qJ3oODoXi4oLTFWIVlx7an99vIvH5urzADThcYcLyHW3bpeFJvwOn5lgBgI4-fmGVHN8C6AZJi-81m9Ttzewo6dVUj47H-6A78W2nXty4zIUI10b0TFK8Weaf72Ikwzj/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
> >
> > Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with
> huge community module support including scientific programming.
> >
> > --
> > Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way
> of
> >
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> # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
> >
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

Yes. And there is no mention in the Java spec that mentions deterministic GC 
which is why it’s not suitable for life safety software. My bad. I shouldn’t 
assume that these are common knowledge. 

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:57 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> ObG You don't see a value in being a source of innocent merriment, of 
> innocent merriment?
> 
> 
> --
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> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
> 
> No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt 
> of jokes in the programming community 
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> 
>>> On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for 
>>> PHP,
>> 
>> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I 
>> coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery 
>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1mTHcHlezB5ejC_FMzQtE5ybv8Zeaikbmfcv0JVPU3pVqsy38TrI6-9QZcNHNOMG_tBEofzFfGk7cLsCafh5q4l9goACwzFSth1rXOV09KzfTH42memOyQc0_ZIQrdD_pbuQl3QkFmdgxxkUPpgCUJ74CSHzxX3mQqbAJrxYthv2LOa5qIwGfgrDDkup85VAZUDOprlKqnP9-XO8gTJH0GcP8UbEvfrhKKoEjm8n9c3Gi-VneocloK0IEoqXUir-STwXOhpn7pT5aPo7FEpLcbJgPNdgAeOPkZL-CGDdFfBiDdByscI97cpRQODJJEbs5qJ3oODoXi4oLTFWIVlx7an99vIvH5urzADThcYcLyHW3bpeFJvwOn5lgBgI4-fmGVHN8C6AZJi-81m9Ttzewo6dVUj47H-6A78W2nXty4zIUI10b0TFK8Weaf72Ikwzj/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
>> 
>> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge 
>> community module support including scientific programming.
>> 
>> --
>> Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uqFUsBXMBauVrR8Uakeug9FStWlp0g6Lt0JEId5KI8qLiResqrI9uOOuwrABJlA6LVmGBNNm0B7yhlAGXiSO2bEvRZpcmJxufMAJ_2etp0veVYOGv76E2aRzjxYmWVWzh4MtC0kalyLZ6ZWGSlWqBoDpV2Orh_YDnIxkszNpJwf28qUY--SLXu14vlT9XUqpIgmFicTqa_8Cs0vtkJOBm2lvZak0rBIXNUY_t-8jvFh5QZtcGDgDSz3u67_fQ4CIkgMXq8AqRCerrt7a57Kg_tURYi9G-AjyU17RpTLqZDjTx9q3my133cCSAM_UnAY2_bA8hKdIu0QNN0Kk5nWju9WYs8HYg4IJ98pd3pytPcmROp2NHshWkJnt0wRlPiUt4Mv10jxrvfK3K-rs_MGC4zbcWGP12igxboyGANChYY-giw2mf-9kq0slCboL8Ngx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.well.com%2F%7Ejax
>>  # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1lg13x6tA3YPMj8LRQDUaW0UH3E7FL4mvSW-nVPb-qieoaQAzZ4z8BsJQ5JlTO7834Rvk2qY0bgPNgrEI0h6A4176AVudEw0f_XtdCJQTUDdAHiY8HH5SfVJkgkUpupY9cupbWh-UdSzs9_KylgtAjC7oPfgdw2qRgZhqaxlyKm6FuoVNs1IKAuiHYW968-uVO-k7tMlhKSDmK99J2KN55hOOw_s9QSlihzvtEbpbuFXWTGeRtOf2UYOJ8E-2Ghjnyj7_-mnY0OwKnpTSoP8ObiIFix5hXfDGWhG1S2Tc_BQFlBTEQAV81VDjQfo003Fq2wefP9BD6G7pk2ACcCKm3d_ZS44o199KBVyngIIYTO2T9eAm7Hw6x3ZRwJ073df7CfN6XA0-O-00AyDXyk0_i_gAcLSZh4vU-FS1FqLciz4ccM9maH1sWv0go8y5EQpK/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.softwoehr.com
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

ObG You don't see a value in being a source of innocent merriment, of 
innocent merriment?


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No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt 
of jokes in the programming community 
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> On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
>
>> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for 
>> PHP,
>
> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I 
> coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1mTHcHlezB5ejC_FMzQtE5ybv8Zeaikbmfcv0JVPU3pVqsy38TrI6-9QZcNHNOMG_tBEofzFfGk7cLsCafh5q4l9goACwzFSth1rXOV09KzfTH42memOyQc0_ZIQrdD_pbuQl3QkFmdgxxkUPpgCUJ74CSHzxX3mQqbAJrxYthv2LOa5qIwGfgrDDkup85VAZUDOprlKqnP9-XO8gTJH0GcP8UbEvfrhKKoEjm8n9c3Gi-VneocloK0IEoqXUir-STwXOhpn7pT5aPo7FEpLcbJgPNdgAeOPkZL-CGDdFfBiDdByscI97cpRQODJJEbs5qJ3oODoXi4oLTFWIVlx7an99vIvH5urzADThcYcLyHW3bpeFJvwOn5lgBgI4-fmGVHN8C6AZJi-81m9Ttzewo6dVUj47H-6A78W2nXty4zIUI10b0TFK8Weaf72Ikwzj/https%3A%2F%2Fherwheel.com
>
> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge 
> community module support including scientific programming.
>
> --
> Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uqFUsBXMBauVrR8Uakeug9FStWlp0g6Lt0JEId5KI8qLiResqrI9uOOuwrABJlA6LVmGBNNm0B7yhlAGXiSO2bEvRZpcmJxufMAJ_2etp0veVYOGv76E2aRzjxYmWVWzh4MtC0kalyLZ6ZWGSlWqBoDpV2Orh_YDnIxkszNpJwf28qUY--SLXu14vlT9XUqpIgmFicTqa_8Cs0vtkJOBm2lvZak0rBIXNUY_t-8jvFh5QZtcGDgDSz3u67_fQ4CIkgMXq8AqRCerrt7a57Kg_tURYi9G-AjyU17RpTLqZDjTx9q3my133cCSAM_UnAY2_bA8hKdIu0QNN0Kk5nWju9WYs8HYg4IJ98pd3pytPcmROp2NHshWkJnt0wRlPiUt4Mv10jxrvfK3K-rs_MGC4zbcWGP12igxboyGANChYY-giw2mf-9kq0slCboL8Ngx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.well.com%2F%7Ejax
>  # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

I might if I had a real search engine :-(

However, you may find the wiki article [[Garbage collection (computer 
science)]] educational, especially [[Garbage collection (computer 
science)#Real-time systems]]. The literature on the subject goes back decades.


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language of 2020

Google deterministic garbage collection. It may be educational.

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:25 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> Since when is timing part of classifying languages? If the outputs are 
> deterministic then they are deterministic, regardless of whether the 
> performance is deterministic.
>
> Further, it is by no means a given that garbage collection must introduce 
> unpredictable delays.
>
>
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>
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> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
>
> How can a language that may pause and run GC cycle at any time be 
> deterministic?
>
> Which is why Java is unsuitable for use in safety critical software such as 
> avionics or life support machines.
>
>> On 10 May 2020, at 9:05 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>>
>> Garbage collected? How does that interfere with determinism?
>>
>> Is there a z/OS port of Rust?
>>
>>
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>>
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>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:50 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
>> language of 2020
>>
>> Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it 
>> completely unsuitable for deterministic programming domains. Rust is the C++ 
>> replacement with RAII and memory ownership baked in.
>>
>>> On 10 May 2020, at 2:44 am, Charles Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 on the name.
>>>
>>> I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>>> name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>>> Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area 
>>> as "East Bay Mud."
>>>
>>> Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>>> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>>>
>>> G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Smith
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
>>> language of 2020
>>>
>>> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
>>> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
>>> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
>>> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
>>> read about it.
>>>
>>> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
>>> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
>>> name.
>>>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt 
of jokes in the programming community 
https://www.i-programmer.info/news/98-languages/6758-the-reason-for-the-weird-php-function-names.html

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr  wrote:
> 
>> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for 
>> PHP,
> 
> PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I 
> coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com
> 
> Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge 
> community module support including scientific programming.
> 
> -- 
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> www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
> www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl 
> Sagan
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for PHP,


PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the 
one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com


Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with 
huge community module support including scientific programming.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

Google deterministic garbage collection. It may be educational. 

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:25 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Since when is timing part of classifying languages? If the outputs are 
> deterministic then they are deterministic, regardless of whether the 
> performance is deterministic.
> 
> Further, it is by no means a given that garbage collection must introduce 
> unpredictable delays.
> 
> 
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> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
> 
> How can a language that may pause and run GC cycle at any time be 
> deterministic?
> 
> Which is why Java is unsuitable for use in safety critical software such as 
> avionics or life support machines.
> 
>> On 10 May 2020, at 9:05 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>> 
>> Garbage collected? How does that interfere with determinism?
>> 
>> Is there a z/OS port of Rust?
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:50 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
>> language of 2020
>> 
>> Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it 
>> completely unsuitable for deterministic programming domains. Rust is the C++ 
>> replacement with RAII and memory ownership baked in.
>> 
>>> On 10 May 2020, at 2:44 am, Charles Mills  wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 on the name.
>>> 
>>> I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>>> name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>>> Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area 
>>> as "East Bay Mud."
>>> 
>>> Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>>> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>>> 
>>> G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
>>> 
>>> Charles
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Smith
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
>>> language of 2020
>>> 
>>> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
>>> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
>>> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
>>> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
>>> read about it.
>>> 
>>> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
>>> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
>>> name.
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Since when is timing part of classifying languages? If the outputs are 
deterministic then they are deterministic, regardless of whether the 
performance is deterministic.

Further, it is by no means a given that garbage collection must introduce 
unpredictable delays.


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How can a language that may pause and run GC cycle at any time be deterministic?

Which is why Java is unsuitable for use in safety critical software such as 
avionics or life support machines.

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:05 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> Garbage collected? How does that interfere with determinism?
>
> Is there a z/OS port of Rust?
>
>
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> 
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> language of 2020
>
> Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it completely 
> unsuitable for deterministic programming domains. Rust is the C++ replacement 
> with RAII and memory ownership baked in.
>
>> On 10 May 2020, at 2:44 am, Charles Mills  wrote:
>>
>> +1 on the name.
>>
>> I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>> name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>> Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area 
>> as "East Bay Mud."
>>
>> Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>>
>> G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Smith
>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
>> language of 2020
>>
>> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
>> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
>> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
>> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
>> read about it.
>>
>> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
>> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
>> name.
>>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

> C++ type of language 

I have no idea what that means

Warts inherited from C?
Object Oriented?
The same object model as C++?
The same STL as C++?

> HLASM and PL/I zealots need not apply!

Why? Are you prejudiced against us? Many of us are just as open to new 
languages as people who don't like HLASM and PL/I, and far more open than some 
of those.

The name is too close to "Go!", which was there first, but the name still is 
Go, not golang. Golang.org is only the domain name.


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language of 2020

+1

Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM and 
PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the specifics of C++ 
should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I understand it, is Go. 
Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily overloaded, which tends to make 
people call the language by the unambiguous name Golang. Golang.org is the Web 
site.) It is a compiled language, unlike Python.

Charles


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On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).
>
> Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?

Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language.

It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the
best traits of both and the warts removed.

Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson were on the design team. One of those "If we
had known then what we know now" moments for the fathers of C.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

How can a language that may pause and run GC cycle at any time be deterministic?

Which is why Java is unsuitable for use in safety critical software such as 
avionics or life support machines. 

> On 10 May 2020, at 9:05 am, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Garbage collected? How does that interfere with determinism?
> 
> Is there a z/OS port of Rust?
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
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> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
> 
> Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it completely 
> unsuitable for deterministic programming domains. Rust is the C++ replacement 
> with RAII and memory ownership baked in.
> 
>> On 10 May 2020, at 2:44 am, Charles Mills  wrote:
>> 
>> +1 on the name.
>> 
>> I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>> name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>> Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area 
>> as "East Bay Mud."
>> 
>> Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>> 
>> G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Smith
>> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
>> language of 2020
>> 
>> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
>> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
>> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
>> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
>> read about it.
>> 
>> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
>> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
>> name.
>> 
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Good language to learn? Unless you have some way to predict the vagaries of 
fashion, pick languages that suit the tasks you want to deal with and that are 
available on your platforms. Don't choose or rule out Go based on its current 
or predicted popularity.

Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for 
PHP, which I had thought would be dead by now. Python and Ruby have respectable 
libraries of packages.


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language of 2020

Charles,

I heard Go was supposed to be a good language to learn. Interestingly, I
read an article saying Python will take over from Java. Personally, I
learned Python liked it over java. I have to look at Go.

Scott

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> +1
>
> Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM
> and PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the
> specifics of C++ should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I
> understand it, is Go. Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily
> overloaded, which tends to make people call the language by the unambiguous
> name Golang. Golang.org is the Web site.) It is a compiled language, unlike
> Python.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:54 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> > Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).
> >
> > Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?
>
> Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language.
>
> It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the
> best traits of both and the warts removed.
>
> Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson were on the design team. One of those "If we
> had known then what we know now" moments for the fathers of C.
>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Garbage collected? How does that interfere with determinism?

Is there a z/OS port of Rust?


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language of 2020

Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it completely 
unsuitable for deterministic programming domains. Rust is the C++ replacement 
with RAII and memory ownership baked in.

> On 10 May 2020, at 2:44 am, Charles Mills  wrote:
>
> +1 on the name.
>
> I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
> name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
> Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
> "East Bay Mud."
>
> Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>
> G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Smith
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
>
> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
> read about it.
>
> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
> name.
>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Perl compiles into an internal form and may not be the best choice for truly 
trivial scripts; if I needed a Hello World command I'd write it in PL/I or 
REXX. but when you're parsing an e-mail, parsing each URL, looking up each 
domain name and doing miscellaneous sanity checks, the start-up time for the 
compiler and interpreter is just noise, and I really wouldn't want to do it in 
HLASM, PL/I or REXX. For trivial scripts I use REXX or bash.


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language of 2020

Not sure how it works under the covers but my "hello, world" test took
forever to run first time through.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:46 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Sometimes people write in what their employer knows. I once had to process
> SMF data in COBOL because the president of the company didn't like PL/I.
>
> Given a free hand, I use the best tool for the job. I like PL/I and REXX a
> lot more than Perl, but I use Perl when I need, e.g., packages from CPAN.
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:59 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> Jack,
>
> Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. If they know
> C it’s C or if they know JavaScript , it’s JavaScript. I know companies
> aren’t paying for education, which I feel ultimately hurts them in a lot of
> ways. I learned C and experimented on Z/OS and liked its abilities in
> threading etc. I know Charles enjoys C ++ , I think that’s great , haven’t
> per se learned it yet.
>
> Scott
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 3:51 PM Paul Gilmartin <
> 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
> >
> > >+1 on the name.
> > >
> > >I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up
> > your name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East
> > Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay
> > Area as "East Bay Mud."
> > >
> > >Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been
> a
> > great name, had they had a sense of humor.
> > >
> > >G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
> > >
> > But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
> > supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
> > of none that do.
> >
> > -- gil
> >
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

IMHO the real deficiencies in C++ are what it inherited from C.

As to the name Go, my only objection is that there was already a Go! language.


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language of 2020

I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
read about it.

It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
name.

sas

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> +1
>
> Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM
> and PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the
> specifics of C++ should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I
> understand it, is Go. Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily
> overloaded, which tends to make people call the language by the unambiguous
> name Golang. Golang.org is the Web site.) It is a compiled language, unlike
> Python.
>
> Charles
>
>

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it completely 
unsuitable for deterministic programming domains. Rust is the C++ replacement 
with RAII and memory ownership baked in. 

> On 10 May 2020, at 2:44 am, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> +1 on the name.
> 
> I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
> name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
> Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
> "East Bay Mud."
> 
> Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
> 
> G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B. 
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming 
> language of 2020
> 
> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
> read about it.
> 
> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
> name.
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[Wayne Bickerdike]

Not sure how it works under the covers but my "hello, world" test took
forever to run first time through.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:46 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Sometimes people write in what their employer knows. I once had to process
> SMF data in COBOL because the president of the company didn't like PL/I.
>
> Given a free hand, I use the best tool for the job. I like PL/I and REXX a
> lot more than Perl, but I use Perl when I need, e.g., packages from CPAN.
>
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> language of 2020
>
> Jack,
>
> Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. If they know
> C it’s C or if they know JavaScript , it’s JavaScript. I know companies
> aren’t paying for education, which I feel ultimately hurts them in a lot of
> ways. I learned C and experimented on Z/OS and liked its abilities in
> threading etc. I know Charles enjoys C ++ , I think that’s great , haven’t
> per se learned it yet.
>
> Scott
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 3:51 PM Paul Gilmartin <
> 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
> >
> > >+1 on the name.
> > >
> > >I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up
> > your name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East
> > Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay
> > Area as "East Bay Mud."
> > >
> > >Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been
> a
> > great name, had they had a sense of humor.
> > >
> > >G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
> > >
> > But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
> > supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
> > of none that do.
> >
> > -- gil
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

"search engine": See "race to the bottom".

Remember that you are not the customer, you are the product. What I wouldn't 
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>+1 on the name.
>
>I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
>"East Bay Mud."
>
>Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>
>G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
>
But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
of none that do.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Wayne Bickerdike]

I wonder where it leaves the code/platform conversion tools.

We're evaluating RFIs for ADABAS/Natural and CA-GEN and I expect there's a
bunch of others coming along.

The great CASE tool IEW, James Martin evangalisation of the 90's seems to
have hit the buffers.

There are conversions for these, however, mainly to Jave, C# or COBOL. Sure
it's cool, however, I expect that Google have selfish motives for this.

The words of a recruiter echo in my mind from 1990. "Wayne, if you don't
have CASE, you are unemployable".

We should do the predictions for the next 10 years. I'm still waiting for
my flying car. Maybe the "Enter Go" Statement in COBOL would be a start.





On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:13 AM scott Ford  wrote:

> Very cool
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Alan Young  wrote:
>
> >
> > There is a port but it is a couple of years old.
> >
> > https://github.com/zos-go/go
> >
> >
> > IBM has a recent post about it coming to zOS.
> >
> >
> >
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
> >
> > 
> > From: Ed Jaffe 
> > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 14:58
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after'
> programming
> > language of 2020
> >
> > On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote:
> > > Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to
> > learn,
> > > I am open minded..
> >
> > Python is available on z/OS. Can Go availability be far behind?
> >
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Seymour J Metz]

Sometimes people write in what their employer knows. I once had to process SMF 
data in COBOL because the president of the company didn't like PL/I.

Given a free hand, I use the best tool for the job. I like PL/I and REXX a lot 
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Jack,

Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. If they know
C it’s C or if they know JavaScript , it’s JavaScript. I know companies
aren’t paying for education, which I feel ultimately hurts them in a lot of
ways. I learned C and experimented on Z/OS and liked its abilities in
threading etc. I know Charles enjoys C ++ , I think that’s great , haven’t
per se learned it yet.

Scott

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 3:51 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >+1 on the name.
> >
> >I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up
> your name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East
> Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay
> Area as "East Bay Mud."
> >
> >Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a
> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
> >
> >G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
> >
> But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
> supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
> of none that do.
>
> -- gil
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[scott Ford]

Very cool

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Alan Young  wrote:

>
> There is a port but it is a couple of years old.
>
> https://github.com/zos-go/go
>
>
> IBM has a recent post about it coming to zOS.
>
>
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
>
> 
> From: Ed Jaffe 
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 14:58
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote:
> > Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to
> learn,
> > I am open minded..
>
> Python is available on z/OS. Can Go availability be far behind?
>
>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Alan Young]

There is a port but it is a couple of years old.

https://github.com/zos-go/go


IBM has a recent post about it coming to zOS.

https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/


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On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote: 
> Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to learn, 
> I am open minded.. 

Python is available on z/OS. Can Go availability be far behind? 


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On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote:

Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to learn,
I am open minded..


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Jack,

Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to learn,
I am open minded..

Scott

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jack J. Woehr  wrote:

> On 5/9/20 1:59 PM, scott Ford wrote:
> > Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know.
>
> It's good to get outside your zone sometimes. If you decide to do so,
> both Python and Go are good choices!
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On 5/9/20 1:59 PM, scott Ford wrote:

Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know.


It's good to get outside your zone sometimes. If you decide to do so, 
both Python and Go are good choices!


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(programming_language)
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On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:04 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> Not sure what you mean. I just searched Google on G and got good hits:
> letter, subway line, some Korean pop thing. Ditto Goo, the gummy liquid and
> the Goo Goo Dolls.
>
> Charles
>
>
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>
> On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >+1 on the name.
> >
> >I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up
> your name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East
> Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay
> Area as "East Bay Mud."
> >
> >Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a
> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
> >
> >G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
> >
> But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
> supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
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Not sure what you mean. I just searched Google on G and got good hits: letter, 
subway line, some Korean pop thing. Ditto Goo, the gummy liquid and the Goo Goo 
Dolls.

Charles


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On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>+1 on the name.
>
>I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
>"East Bay Mud."
>
>Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>
>G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B. 
> 
But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
of none that do.

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[scott Ford]

Jack,

Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. If they know
C it’s C or if they know JavaScript , it’s JavaScript. I know companies
aren’t paying for education, which I feel ultimately hurts them in a lot of
ways. I learned C and experimented on Z/OS and liked its abilities in
threading etc. I know Charles enjoys C ++ , I think that’s great , haven’t
per se learned it yet.

Scott

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 3:51 PM Paul Gilmartin <
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> On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >+1 on the name.
> >
> >I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up
> your name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East
> Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay
> Area as "East Bay Mud."
> >
> >Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a
> great name, had they had a sense of humor.
> >
> >G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B.
> >
> But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
> supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
> of none that do.
>
> -- gil
>
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>+1 on the name.
>
>I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
>name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
>Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
>"East Bay Mud."
>
>Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a 
>great name, had they had a sense of humor.
>
>G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B. 
> 
But they're terrible search keys unless your command syntax
supports a mixture of whole-word and substring keys.  I know
of none that do.

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[Charles Mills]

+1 on the name.

I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your 
name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay 
Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay Area as 
"East Bay Mud."

Goo, with its nod to "++", Google and "object oriented" would have been a great 
name, had they had a sense of humor.

G would be good, with its homage to C and its predecessor B. 

Charles


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language of 2020

I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
read about it.

It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
name.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 12:00 PM, scott Ford wrote:

Charles,

I heard Go was supposed to be a good language to learn. Interestingly, I
read an article saying Python will take over from Java. Personally, I
learned Python liked it over java. I have to look at Go.


Python is a wonderful language both for routine scripting (it's 
conquering IBM i at the moment) and for scientific computing (see IBM 
Qiskit for IBM Quantum Computing).


Go is a compiled systems language which is as powerful and efficient as 
C/C++ while much more easy than C or Java to write and build your 
applications.


Go is the only serious competition in the wide world for Node.js for 
authoring microservices.


The New York Times web is built entirely on Go-coded microservices. 
Attended when the project leaders spoke at Denver Gophers on the subject.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

Steve,

I also rather enjoyed HLASM and PL/1. I am self-taught in several
programming languages, so learned C kinda on the fly, but really liked it.
I liked the structured macros in HLASM also. Makes life easier.

Scott

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:02 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
> in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
> it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
> sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
> read about it.
>
> It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
> much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
> name.
>
> sas
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 PM Charles Mills  wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM
> > and PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the
> > specifics of C++ should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I
> > understand it, is Go. Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily
> > overloaded, which tends to make people call the language by the
> unambiguous
> > name Golang. Golang.org is the Web site.) It is a compiled language,
> unlike
> > Python.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Steve Smith]

I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++.  C++ was a leader
in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that
it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it.  Go
sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've
read about it.

It's name however, is horrible. Goo, Goog, or even G would have obviated
much ambiguity.  As it is, they may be stuck with Golang being the common
name.

sas

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> +1
>
> Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM
> and PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the
> specifics of C++ should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I
> understand it, is Go. Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily
> overloaded, which tends to make people call the language by the unambiguous
> name Golang. Golang.org is the Web site.) It is a compiled language, unlike
> Python.
>
> Charles
>
>

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[scott Ford]

Charles,

I heard Go was supposed to be a good language to learn. Interestingly, I
read an article saying Python will take over from Java. Personally, I
learned Python liked it over java. I have to look at Go.

Scott

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> +1
>
> Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM
> and PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the
> specifics of C++ should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I
> understand it, is Go. Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily
> overloaded, which tends to make people call the language by the unambiguous
> name Golang. Golang.org is the Web site.) It is a compiled language, unlike
> Python.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr
> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:54 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming
> language of 2020
>
> On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> > Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).
> >
> > Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?
>
> Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language.
>
> It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the
> best traits of both and the warts removed.
>
> Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson were on the design team. One of those "If we
> had known then what we know now" moments for the fathers of C.
>
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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Charles Mills]

+1

Everyone here who likes the general idea of a C++ type of language (HLASM and 
PL/I zealots need not apply!) but dislikes some or many of the specifics of C++ 
should check out Go. (The name of the language, as I understand it, is Go. 
Unfortunately the word Go is pretty heavily overloaded, which tends to make 
people call the language by the unambiguous name Golang. Golang.org is the Web 
site.) It is a compiled language, unlike Python.

Charles


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On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).
>
> Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?

Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language.

It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the 
best traits of both and the warts removed.

Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson were on the design team. One of those "If we 
had known then what we know now" moments for the fathers of C.

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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:

Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).

Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?


Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language.

It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the 
best traits of both and the warts removed.


Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson were on the design team. One of those "If we 
had known then what we know now" moments for the fathers of C.


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Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

[David Crayford]

The more modern languages supported on z/OS the better. Otherwise it 
will just be viewed as a legacy platform and will slowly wither on vine. 
You may find it
uninteresting but if we want to attract young people to the platform 
it's going to need something a little bit more contemporary then COBOL, 
HLASM and PL/1.


We're interested in Golang as important analytics stacks like 
Prometheus/Grafana are written in the language. Not to mentioned Docker 
and Hyperledger!


On 2020-05-09 3:58 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:

Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).

Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?

Last three "needed now" jobs were, COBOL, Assembler and PL/I.

go West!

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Frank Swarbrick 
wrote:


https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
IBM intends to enable Go on z/OS - Mainframe DEV<
https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
IBM intends to enable a full native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS. IBM
intends to enable a native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS, further
strengthening its portfolio of compiler technologies and partnership with
the open source community.
developer.ibm.com



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https://www.zdnet.com/article/developers-say-googles-go-is-most-sought-after-programming-language-of-2020

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[Wayne Bickerdike]

Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language).

Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do?

Last three "needed now" jobs were, COBOL, Assembler and PL/I.

go West!

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Frank Swarbrick 
wrote:

>
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
> IBM intends to enable Go on z/OS - Mainframe DEV<
> https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
> >
> IBM intends to enable a full native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS. IBM
> intends to enable a native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS, further
> strengthening its portfolio of compiler technologies and partnership with
> the open source community.
> developer.ibm.com
>
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
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> programming language of 2020
>
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/developers-say-googles-go-is-most-sought-after-programming-language-of-2020
>
> or
>
> *https://tinyurl.com/yaduy3gn* <https://tinyurl.com/yaduy3gn>
>
> Regards,
>
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https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/
IBM intends to enable Go on z/OS - Mainframe 
DEV<https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/>
IBM intends to enable a full native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS. IBM 
intends to enable a native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS, further 
strengthening its portfolio of compiler technologies and partnership with the 
open source community.
developer.ibm.com



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