Re: z/PDT
Site written software would the company written application unique to their site and data, vs something bought from an outside company. On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:27 PM kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hey, what do you mean by site written software? > > Would this apply even if I get zPDT LE with my personal email? > Is it so because they'll verify that I have the pre-req (of relevant MF > experience)? > > - KB > > --- Original Message --- > > On Tuesday, March 29th, 2022 at 9:44 AM, Mike Schwab > wrote: > > > If you are doing any coding to learn, that is going to be OK. > > > > If you happen to code anything that is useful to run on your > > > > employer's mainframe, it probably won't be detected since it would > > > > fall under site written software. > > > > If you try to sell to any non-employer company they are probably going > > > > to check if you are an IBM partner or their recognized list of > > > > mainframe vendors. > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:49 AM Grant Taylor > > > > 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > > On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > > > > > > I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE > > > > > > > > edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might > > > > > > > > have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition. > > > > > > That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted > > > > > > territory. Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE > > > > > > edition. > > > > > > Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license > > > > > > to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue. > > > > > > The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to > > > > > > be a murky thing to me. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Grant. . . . > > > > > > unix || die > > > > > > -- > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
Hey, what do you mean by site written software? Would this apply even if I get zPDT LE with my personal email? Is it so because they'll verify that I have the pre-req (of relevant MF experience)? - KB --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, March 29th, 2022 at 9:44 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: > If you are doing any coding to learn, that is going to be OK. > > If you happen to code anything that is useful to run on your > > employer's mainframe, it probably won't be detected since it would > > fall under site written software. > > If you try to sell to any non-employer company they are probably going > > to check if you are an IBM partner or their recognized list of > > mainframe vendors. > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:49 AM Grant Taylor > > 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > > > > I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE > > > > > > edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might > > > > > > have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition. > > > > That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted > > > > territory. Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE > > > > edition. > > > > Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license > > > > to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue. > > > > The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to > > > > be a murky thing to me. > > > > -- > > > > Grant. . . . > > > > unix || die > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
If you are doing any coding to learn, that is going to be OK. If you happen to code anything that is useful to run on your employer's mainframe, it probably won't be detected since it would fall under site written software. If you try to sell to any non-employer company they are probably going to check if you are an IBM partner or their recognized list of mainframe vendors. On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:49 AM Grant Taylor <023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE > > edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might > > have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition. > > That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted > territory. Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE > edition. > > Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license > to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue. > > The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to > be a murky thing to me. > > > > -- > Grant. . . . > unix || die > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
On 3/27/22 10:11 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition. That seems like you could potentially end up in some uncharted territory. Especially if you copied any code from the LE to the non-LE edition. Maybe IBM would allow you to retroactively upgrade from the LE license to a non-LE license to work around the licensing issue. The what is learning vs what is developing an earlier version seems to be a murky thing to me. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
I think you could probably learn "how" to make your product on the LE edition and if things start working out for you and you think you might have a viable product, you could then switch to the personal edition. I don't think you are locked into anything by starting with the LE edition. Many people might start there and just "give up" due to the learning curve of developing a polished product, but for some it might be a really good way to get started. For me, there are several things I would love to learn how to do but could not justify doing it at work on real iron, nor could I justify (to my spouse) the cost of the Personal Edition to learn something I may not be able to use for anything constructive. If the LE were available, I would not have any way to pass up the opportunity to finally teach myself how to do some of the things I skipped over the years. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
It presumes that agreements will be enforced by both sides in an environment of integrity. f we don’t have that then the market is very broken. While working on Zowe we did regression nd builds on ZPDT but all final binaries were built and tested on real hardware. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 Facebook <https://facebook.com/matt.hogstrom> LinkedIn <https://linkedin/in/mhogstrom> Twitter <https://twitter.com/hogstrom> “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom > On Mar 26, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > > Well, how can it be enforced? > Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's working on > zPDT emulated machine. > Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for one > day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for his own > work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. > I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of zPDT > is not on the picture. > > > Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: >> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built >> on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and >> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. >> >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> >> >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” >> - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: >>> >>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >>>> wrong. >>> Joseph's question/comment was: >>> >>> >>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>> >>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and >>> can sell software you develop >>> >>> If so what makes me different than an ISV >>> >>> >>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what >>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. >>> >>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. >>> >>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Phoenix Software International >>> Edward E. Jaffe >>> 831 Parkview Drive North >>> El Segundo, CA 90245 >>> https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ >>> >>> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
#1 yes, of course, cutting Version 0.1 is just the start of being in the software business. #2, there would seem to me to be a whole continuum of cases (FWIW). What if I have an idea for a commercial product. I use an LE to develop a prototype and test out my ideas. When I have the prototype demoable I take it to an ISV and say "let's make some kind of deal for my idea here" (to be developed, published and supported on your "real" Z). Where would that fall on the spectrum of legal/not legal ethical/not ethical? Of course, I have not even read the agreement. That might be a good starting point. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition users, at least most of the time. I can’t speak for dark web bad actors, they are an entirely different kettle of fish. One day (or partial day) spent recompiling on a "real" system to generate a distributable product won’t cut the mustard for any actual product someone may wish to sell. Selling is only the first step. Ongoing support for a product is where the real issue lies. If a "real" product is your goal, becoming an IBM partner and paying for at least the Personal Edition is a far better (though obviously costlier up front) way to go. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 2:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right thing. Brian On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Well, how can it be enforced? >Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's >working on zPDT emulated machine. >Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for >one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for >his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. >I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of >zPDT is not on the picture. > >Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland > >W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: >> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built >> on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and >> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by >> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: >>> >>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >>>> wrong. >>> Joseph's question/comment was: >>> >>> >>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>> >>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal >>> edition and can sell software you develop >>> >>> If so what makes me different than an ISV >>> >>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what >>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. >>> >>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. >>> >>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... >>> >>> -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
Peter Farley wrote, in part: >IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition users As an early manager once told me, "IBM's lawyers can beat up our lawyers", so yeah. And anyone needing z/PDT LE surely doesn't have much in the way of lawyers anyway. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
IMHO, a justifiable fear of size and ferocity of the legal army at IBM should provide the needed incentive to DTRT for most above-board Learners Edition users, at least most of the time. I can’t speak for dark web bad actors, they are an entirely different kettle of fish. One day (or partial day) spent recompiling on a "real" system to generate a distributable product won’t cut the mustard for any actual product someone may wish to sell. Selling is only the first step. Ongoing support for a product is where the real issue lies. If a "real" product is your goal, becoming an IBM partner and paying for at least the Personal Edition is a far better (though obviously costlier up front) way to go. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 2:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right thing. Brian On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Well, how can it be enforced? >Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's >working on zPDT emulated machine. >Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for >one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for >his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. >I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of >zPDT is not on the picture. > >Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland > >W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: >> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built >> on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and >> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by >> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: >>> >>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >>>> wrong. >>> Joseph's question/comment was: >>> >>> >>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>> >>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal >>> edition and can sell software you develop >>> >>> If so what makes me different than an ISV >>> >>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what >>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. >>> >>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. >>> >>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... >>> >>> -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
The use of leased machines to develop commercial software is certainly legal. However, for the scenario that you described the use of zPDT *is* in the picture, and is a contract violation. The violation is not in the use of the leased machine, but in the copying of the source code with the intention of selling the object code. As to how IBM will enforce it, that's not my dog, but I won't be a guinea pig for that inquiry. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Radoslaw Skorupka [r.skoru...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT Well, how can it be enforced? Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's working on zPDT emulated machine. Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of zPDT is not on the picture. Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: > IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built > on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and > condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. > > > Matt Hogstrom > > > > "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” > - Hanlon’s Razor > >> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: >> >> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >>> wrong. >> Joseph's question/comment was: >> >> >> Why do I have to pay so much money >> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >> >> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and >> can sell software you develop >> >> If so what makes me different than an ISV >> >> >> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what >> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. >> >> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. >> >> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... >> >> >> -- >> Phoenix Software International >> Edward E. Jaffe >> 831 Parkview Drive North >> El Segundo, CA 90245 >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dFvgtQOymi3DhyZx2sp6OWCdY536In-IP450SR-lSFyY9DWRvDmQ_RoVwKyYmyoOIBtkCMIaaG-bcuLW98_OAmh6Wx-ukQcJL2t5Oqg9ssvUYGdnSfSAYZNnHSicTBnWGKAioEOYkrIQzGi-JNE2ZdRsqKEHsrJSrlnrey2nJD0L3YJoz7CMRrUcUr3UzgNp8s_6V0xQpGG2LX9M5qeiDbdf76ML10n2B7mxuLss5Lz8mU8QjKz3kHRmZnveSbdvjbhEKPWrAUUk_OyGC1Rutjvr1YroCQcopQZiD1jxjZohaiJgcIn9RZ2Sa1fqYcjTOStsJ_lxaB1TDzwhxeLjodsD87EpmnrdxZ1Mlkup6yXISYojAdj1qauBAY0Tp_1UjFX6qEvxNyu1nyJ_Qdiufa_i7Q7P2v7x6CO9H-Y8KM3RKUScSbNXYY7CpeNvnPoL/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.phoenixsoftware.com%2F >> >> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
A lot of this is trusting people when they sign the agreement to do the right thing. Brian On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:51:33 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Well, how can it be enforced? >Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's >working on zPDT emulated machine. >Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for >one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for >his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. >I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of >zPDT is not on the picture. > > >Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. > >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland > > > >W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: >> IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built >> on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and >> condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. >> >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> >> >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” >> - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: >>> >>> On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>>> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >>>> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >>>> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >>>> wrong. >>> Joseph's question/comment was: >>> >>> >>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>> >>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and >>> can sell software you develop >>> >>> If so what makes me different than an ISV >>> >>> >>> So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what >>> we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. >>> >>> As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. >>> >>> Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Phoenix Software International >>> Edward E. Jaffe >>> 831 Parkview Drive North >>> El Segundo, CA 90245 >>> https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ >>> >>> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
Well, how can it be enforced? Let's assume someone is working on some software, called XYZ. He's working on zPDT emulated machine. Finally he compiles his source code on some real hardware, leased for one day. Or even not leased, but he is allowed to use the machine for his own work. Allowed means some company which owns the machine agreed. I think it is legal to use leased machine for such purpose. The use of zPDT is not on the picture. Disclaimer: Don't kill messenger. The above is just a question. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 25.03.2022 o 17:19, Matt Hogstrom pisze: IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. Matt Hogstrom "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was wrong. Joseph's question/comment was: Why do I have to pay so much money When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can sell software you develop If so what makes me different than an ISV So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
I think I have personal addition > On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:47 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: > > My sales rep indicated that when I finish developing my software I apply and > rent time on a LPAR on real iron I.E z15 > Thanks > > > >> On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: >> >> On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep >>>>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>>>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>>>> >>>>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition >>>>> and can sell software you develop >>> I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling >>> software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... >> >> It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited. >> >> It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly for >> people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale software. >> >> In that sense, it is not really the "hobby" license the user community has >> been requesting for decades. >> >> But, it's a major step in the right direction... >> >> >> -- >> Phoenix Software International >> Edward E. Jaffe >> 831 Parkview Drive North >> El Segundo, CA 90245 >> https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ >> >> >> >> This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the >> information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended >> recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise >> received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, >> review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information >> contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended >> recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies >> of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email >> message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this >> email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be >> free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into >> which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient >> to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the >> sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 12:01, Ed Jaffe wrote: > > On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: > > > > I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I > > commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's > > Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was > > wrong. > > Joseph's question/comment was: > > > Why do I have to pay so much money > When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars > > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and > can sell software you develop > > If so what makes me different than an ISV > > > So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely > what we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. > > As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. > > Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... I think we're all wrong. :-) I was less than clear - I thought the main issue was why Joseph can't use the ISV (z1090) vs what he has (the less comprehensive z1091) version. Hopefully all on the same page now. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IIRC you can’t sell any artifacts (binaries and such) as they must be built on real IBM Z hardware. Perhaps this has changed but it was a terms and condition way to ensure that real hardware is used for real products. Matt Hogstrom "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor > On Mar 25, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: > > On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >> >> I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I >> commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's >> Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was >> wrong. > > Joseph's question/comment was: > > > Why do I have to pay so much money > When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars > > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and > can sell software you develop > > If so what makes me different than an ISV > > > So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what > we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. > > As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. > > Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... > > > -- > Phoenix Software International > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the > information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise > received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, > review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information > contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email > message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this > email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be > free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into > which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient > to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the > sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
On 3/25/2022 8:48 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was wrong. Joseph's question/comment was: Why do I have to pay so much money When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can sell software you develop If so what makes me different than an ISV So, the "why" of the difference in cost between PE and LE is precisely what we (or at least I) thought was under discussion. As IBM explained, PE allows development while LE does not. Sorry if I misunderstood your comment... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 11:05, Ed Jaffe wrote: > > On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: [...] > > I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling > > software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... > > It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited. > > It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly > for people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale > software. On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 10:54, Jay Maynard wrote: > > Actually, the z/PDTLE license *does* prohibit using it to develop software to > be sold. I thought it was pretty clear that what Joseph has, and what I commented on, is not the "nobody actually has it yet" Learner's Edition, but the long standing Personal Edition. Obviously I was wrong. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
My sales rep indicated that when I finish developing my software I apply and rent time on a LPAR on real iron I.E z15 Thanks > On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: > > On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman wrote: >>> >>> At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep >>> Why do I have to pay so much money >>> When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars >>> >>> And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and >>> can sell software you develop >> I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling >> software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... > > It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited. > > It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly for > people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale software. > > In that sense, it is not really the "hobby" license the user community has > been requesting for decades. > > But, it's a major step in the right direction... > > > -- > Phoenix Software International > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the > information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise > received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, > review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information > contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email > message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this > email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be > free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into > which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient > to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the > sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
And from what I've been told the LE also precludes doing open source development ☹ Unless that has changed. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 09:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT Actually, the z/PDTLE license *does* prohibit using it to develop software to be sold. On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:52 AM Tony Harminc wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman > wrote: > > > At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep Why do I have to pay so > > much money When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars > > > > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal > > edition > and can sell software you develop > > I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling > software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... > > > If so what makes me different than an ISV > > There is a process to sign up with IBM as a z ISV. Have you tried it? > Last time I looked at it it wasn't too onerous. IIRC you do have to > have some evidence that you have a product either for sale or in the > pipeline. > > Tony H. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
On 3/25/2022 7:52 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman wrote: At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep Why do I have to pay so much money When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can sell software you develop I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... It most certainly does!!! Commercial use of any kind is prohibited. It's called the "Learner's Edition" because it's made available strictly for people to *LEARN* ... not for them to develop commercial, for-sale software. In that sense, it is not really the "hobby" license the user community has been requesting for decades. But, it's a major step in the right direction... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Actually, the z/PDTLE license *does* prohibit using it to develop software to be sold. On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:52 AM Tony Harminc wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman > wrote: > > > At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep > > Why do I have to pay so much money > > When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars > > > > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition > and can sell software you develop > > I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling > software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... > > > If so what makes me different than an ISV > > There is a process to sign up with IBM as a z ISV. Have you tried it? > Last time I looked at it it wasn't too onerous. IIRC you do have to > have some evidence that you have a product either for sale or in the > pipeline. > > Tony H. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 07:33, Joseph Reichman wrote: > At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep > Why do I have to pay so much money > When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars > > And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and > can sell software you develop I doubt that the personal edition licence prohibits you from selling software that you develop. But even if I am wrong on that... > If so what makes me different than an ISV There is a process to sign up with IBM as a z ISV. Have you tried it? Last time I looked at it it wasn't too onerous. IIRC you do have to have some evidence that you have a product either for sale or in the pipeline. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
Since you responded to my post maybe you Can answer a question At the time of my re-newel I asked my rep Why do I have to pay so much money When the learners edition is only a few hundred dollars And they responded well that’s because you have z/PDT personal edition and can sell software you develop If so what makes me different than an ISV Thank you > On Mar 25, 2022, at 3:57 AM, Sebastian Welton wrote: > > Dallas - ISV which means zPDT and tends to get the ADCD a bit quicker > Passport Advantage - means ZD systems and this ADCD is packaged slightly > differently. In fact an ISV wouldn't be able to use it and vice-versa > > Sebastian > >> Just opened a ticket was told will get a response by tommorow >> >> Thank you >> >> >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
Dallas - ISV which means zPDT and tends to get the ADCD a bit quicker Passport Advantage - means ZD systems and this ADCD is packaged slightly differently. In fact an ISV wouldn't be able to use it and vice-versa Sebastian >Just opened a ticket was told will get a response by tommorow > >Thank you > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
Just opened a ticket was told will get a response by tommorow Thank you > On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:32 AM, John Abell > wrote: > > Yes we are ISVs and have had zPDT since the end of FLEX. > > Let me know how you get this sorted out please. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use > of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please > contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. > Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Joseph Reichman > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > Just logged in to passport advantage went to down load software Still 2.4 > > John if I understand you it was explained to me that there are 2 Zpdt > personal edition which I think you I and vendors have > > And the learners edition > > I’ll call the passport advantage number and or ibmserv > > Thank you > > > >> On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Abell >> wrote: >> >> OK. But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able >> to also have it. >> >> John T. Abell >> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 >> President >> International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 >> E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com >> Fax:800-295-7609 >> >> International: 1-416-593-5579 >> >> >> International Software Products >> www.ispinfo.com >> >> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, >> distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not >> the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named >> recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies >> of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, >> tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive >> emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, >> interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:01 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: z/PDT >> >> John >> >> Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from >> the passport advantage site >> >> >> >>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell >>>> wrote: >>> >>> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site. We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago >>> and have it up and running in its base form with no issues. >>> >>> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/dow >>> n >>> load.dat >>> >>> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password. >>> >>> John T. Abell >>> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 >>> President >>> International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 >>> E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com >>> Fax:800-295-7609 >>> >>> International: 1-416-593-5579 >>> >>> >>> International Software Products >>> www.ispinfo.com >>> >>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >>> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, >>> distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not >>> the intende
Re: z/PDT
Yes we are ISVs and have had zPDT since the end of FLEX. Let me know how you get this sorted out please. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software Products www.ispinfo.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT Just logged in to passport advantage went to down load software Still 2.4 John if I understand you it was explained to me that there are 2 Zpdt personal edition which I think you I and vendors have And the learners edition I’ll call the passport advantage number and or ibmserv Thank you > On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Abell > wrote: > > OK. But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able to > also have it. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, > distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named > recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of > this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:01 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > John > > Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from > the passport advantage site > > > >> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell >> wrote: >> >> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site. We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago >> and have it up and running in its base form with no issues. >> >> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/dow >> n >> load.dat >> >> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password. >> >> John T. Abell >> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 >> President >> International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 >> E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com >> Fax:800-295-7609 >> >> International: 1-416-593-5579 >> >> >> International Software Products >> www.ispinfo.com >> >> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, >> distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not >> the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named >> recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies >> of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, >> tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive >> emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, >> interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IB
Re: z/PDT
Just logged in to passport advantage went to down load software Still 2.4 John if I understand you it was explained to me that there are 2 Zpdt personal edition which I think you I and vendors have And the learners edition I’ll call the passport advantage number and or ibmserv Thank you > On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:05 AM, John Abell > wrote: > > OK. But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able to > also have it. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use > of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please > contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. > Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Joseph Reichman > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:01 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > John > > Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from the > passport advantage site > > > >> On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell >> wrote: >> >> The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site. We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago >> and have it up and running in its base form with no issues. >> >> https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/down >> load.dat >> >> You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password. >> >> John T. Abell >> Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 >> President >> International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 >> E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com >> Fax:800-295-7609 >> >> International: 1-416-593-5579 >> >> >> International Software Products >> www.ispinfo.com >> >> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, >> distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not >> the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named >> recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies >> of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, >> tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive >> emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, >> interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: z/PDT >> >> On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything >> >> >> >>>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: >>> >>> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I >>> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth >>> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have >>> something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and >>> ready to go by mid-March. >>> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB >>> dongle, either. >>> >>> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. >>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < >>>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was >>>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. >>>>
Re: z/PDT
OK. But if we can get it for zPDT, I would think that you should be able to also have it. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software Products www.ispinfo.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT John Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from the passport advantage site > On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell > wrote: > > The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site. We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago and > have it up and running in its base form with no issues. > > https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/down > load.dat > > You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, > distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named > recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of > this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything > > > >> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: >> >> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I >> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth >> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have >> something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and >> ready to go by mid-March. >> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB >> dongle, either. >> >> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. >> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < >>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was >>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. >>> >>> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were >>> waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were >>> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. >>> >>> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share >>> without their permission. ;-) >>> >>> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all >>> hands on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people >>> that were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were >>> re-assigne
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John Think we have different licenses I typically download the images from the passport advantage site > On Mar 24, 2022, at 8:47 AM, John Abell > wrote: > > The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site. We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago and > have it up and running in its base form with no issues. > > https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/download.dat > > You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use > of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please > contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. > Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Joseph Reichman > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything > > > >> On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: >> >> I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I >> heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth >> they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something >> to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by >> mid-March. >> Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB >> dongle, either. >> >> The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. >> >>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < >>> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was >>>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. >>> >>> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were >>> waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were >>> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. >>> >>> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share >>> without their permission. ;-) >>> >>> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands >>> on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that >>> were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for >>> a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Grant. . . . >>> unix || die >>> >>> - >>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >>> IBM-MAIN >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Maynard >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
The 2.5 ADCD is on the Dallas site. We downloaded it almost 2 weeks ago and have it up and running in its base form with no issues. https://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/ocgi/pagebuilder?/web/httpd1/pagebuilder/download.dat You will have to login with you appropriate ID and Password. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software Products www.ispinfo.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything > On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: > > I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I > heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth > they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something > to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by > mid-March. > Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB > dongle, either. > > The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. > >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < >> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was >>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. >> >> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were >> waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were >> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. >> >> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share >> without their permission. ;-) >> >> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands >> on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that >> were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for >> a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. >> >> >> >> -- >> Grant. . . . >> unix || die >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > Jay Maynard > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On another note still waiting for 2.5 anybody hear anything > On Mar 23, 2022, at 1:33 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: > > I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, > the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to > devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by > mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March. > Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, > either. > > The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. > >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < >> 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>> Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was >>> on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. >> >> I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were >> waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were >> saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. >> >> Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share without >> their permission. ;-) >> >> I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands on >> deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that were >> working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for a >> while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. >> >> >> >> -- >> Grant. . . . >> unix || die >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > Jay Maynard > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Jay, You have gotten a long way further along the LE process than I have. I have been trying to find out my status in the LE approval process for the last 6 weeks, and my original application submission was in December last year. I would very sincerely hope that they would extend your license since mid-January is 1/6 of a year ago, but once you have everything in your hands I would absolutely make an official request to the LE product manager. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March. Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, either. The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. > > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were > waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. > > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share > without their permission. ;-) > > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands > on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that > were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for > a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm told that the z/PDT Learner's Edition is not just the 2.5 AD/CD, but has other goodies on it as well. It also isn't quite the same as the commercial version, thoughI don't know what the differences are - but if you look at the z/PDT web page, you'll see that the latest version update doesn't apply to the LE. On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:03 AM John Abell < john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com> wrote: > We have the base configuration z/OS 2.5 ADCD that was released a couple of > weeks back installed and running as a guest under z/VM 7.1 on the latest > zPDT maintenance release without issues so far. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution > or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), > please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this > message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jay Maynard > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, > the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to > devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by > mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March. > Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, > either. > > The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < > 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was > > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. > > > > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were > > waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were > > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. > > > > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share > > without their permission. ;-) > > > > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands > > on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that > > were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for > > a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. > > > > > > > > -- > > Grant. . . . > > unix || die > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Jay Maynard > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Same here. ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 23 במרץ 2022 ב-15:03 מאת John Abell < john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com>: > We have the base configuration z/OS 2.5 ADCD that was released a couple of > weeks back installed and running as a guest under z/VM 7.1 on the latest > zPDT maintenance release without issues so far. > > John T. Abell > Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 > President > International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 > E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com > Fax:800-295-7609 > > International: 1-416-593-5579 > > > International Software Products > www.ispinfo.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution > or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), > please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this > message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, > tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive > emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, > interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jay Maynard > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z/PDT > > I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, > the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to > devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by > mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March. > Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, > either. > > The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < > 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was > > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. > > > > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were > > waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were > > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. > > > > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share > > without their permission. ;-) > > > > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands > > on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that > > were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for > > a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. > > > > > > > > -- > > Grant. . . . > > unix || die > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Jay Maynard > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
We have the base configuration z/OS 2.5 ADCD that was released a couple of weeks back installed and running as a guest under z/VM 7.1 on the latest zPDT maintenance release without issues so far. John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software Products www.ispinfo.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 1:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/PDT I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March. Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, either. The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. > > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were > waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. > > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share > without their permission. ;-) > > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands > on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that > were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for > a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. > > > > -- > Grant. . . . > unix || die > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/PDT
I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March. Obviously, they haven't made either date. I haven't gotten my USB dongle, either. The date on my license is mid-January. I'm hoping they extend it. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:41 PM Grant Taylor < 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was > > on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. > > I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were > waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were > saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. > > Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share without > their permission. ;-) > > I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands on > deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that were > working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for a > while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. > > > > -- > Grant. . . . > unix || die > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what they were saying, they were expecting to be in possession of a license by now. Sorry, I don't remember who and even if I did, I wouldn't share without their permission. ;-) I also heard through the grape vine that IBM had just about all hands on deck for the Log4J fiasco, all platforms. As such, people that were working on the hobbyist / student licensing were re-assigned for a while. I'm speculating that they are now back on task. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z/PDT
Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Thanks all for your help. Happy ending: sometime between when last we checked and now, the z/PDT in question has been upgraded to a "BC12." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? >And there are other hardware features that are NOT implemented, which I >found out the hard way. No AUTOIPL, for instance. z/OS AUTOIPL uses a Diagnose (which is implemented by LPAR and z/VM) to initiate an IPL. I think it is not currently implemented by zPDT. However, if you run z/OS as a z/VM guest on zPDT, then AUTOIPL may work. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
>And there are other hardware features that are NOT implemented, which I >found out the hard way. No AUTOIPL, for instance. z/OS AUTOIPL uses a Diagnose (which is implemented by LPAR and z/VM) to initiate an IPL. I think it is not currently implemented by zPDT. However, if you run z/OS as a z/VM guest on zPDT, then AUTOIPL may work. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
> However, keep in mind that this is a statement about the CPU >architecture, and not >the I/O architecture. For example, zPDT does not support MIDAWs, which >were >introduced on the z9 machines. And there are other hardware features that are NOT implemented, which I found out the hard way. No AUTOIPL, for instance. Barbara -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
No charge for the upgrade. They get it from ResourceLink, have them look under the Tools option and 1090 Support. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 01:23 PM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Definitely. Thanks! > All zPDT 1090 SW updates can be obtained for ALL zPDT Customers through Information Technology Company (ITC). Dumb question: is that a chargeable upgrade, or is it "can be obtained" as in "can be obtained at no charge." (We don't have one -- we're Dallas users -- but I want to have my story right if I suggest an upgrade to the affected customer.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, this link might help: https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_ whatsnew It has a history of releases back to 2010. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 12:52 PM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> @Jim, my concern at this moment is with C++ compile ARCH level, so I/O macht nichts. @Steve, the Redbook says E39 is z800/900, and I am confident of my mapping of z900 to ARCH(5) -- assuming it is running in Z mode, not ESA mode -- and HLASM opcode level ZS. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Correct, enter it in a Linux Terminal session. And I don't know the answer to your E39/ARCH/ZS question. I don't believe that is the case. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:59 AM Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Definitely. Thanks! > All zPDT 1090 SW updates can be obtained for ALL zPDT Customers through Information Technology Company (ITC). Dumb question: is that a chargeable upgrade, or is it "can be obtained" as in "can be obtained at no charge." (We don't have one -- we're Dallas users -- but I want to have my story right if I suggest an upgrade to the affected customer.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, this link might help: https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_ whatsnew It has a history of releases back to 2010. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 12:52 PM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> @Jim, my concern at this moment is with C++ compile ARCH level, so I/O macht nichts. @Steve, the Redbook says E39 is z800/900, and I am confident of my mapping of z900 to ARCH(5) -- assuming it is running in Z mode, not ESA mode -- and HLASM opcode level ZS. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Correct, enter it in a Linux Terminal session. And I don't know the answer to your E39/ARCH/ZS question. I don't believe that is the case. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:59 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Charles, this link might help: https://www-356.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/pw_com_zpdt_whatsnew It has a history of releases back to 2010. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 12:52 PM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> @Jim, my concern at this moment is with C++ compile ARCH level, so I/O macht nichts. @Steve, the Redbook says E39 is z800/900, and I am confident of my mapping of z900 to ARCH(5) -- assuming it is running in Z mode, not ESA mode -- and HLASM opcode level ZS. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Correct, enter it in a Linux Terminal session. And I don't know the answer to your E39/ARCH/ZS question. I don't believe that is the case. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:59 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
@Jim, my concern at this moment is with C++ compile ARCH level, so I/O macht nichts. @Steve, the Redbook says E39 is z800/900, and I am confident of my mapping of z900 to ARCH(5) -- assuming it is running in Z mode, not ESA mode -- and HLASM opcode level ZS. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Correct, enter it in a Linux Terminal session. And I don't know the answer to your E39/ARCH/ZS question. I don't believe that is the case. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:59 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
The information I think you're after is found in SG24-7721-05 'IBM System z Personal Development Tool: Volume 1' June2013: Table 1-1 System z architecture levels Release datezPDT releasezPDT build level z Architecture 2009, 2010 V1R1 "GA1" 39.xx Z800, z900 2011V1R2 "GA2" 41.xx Z10 2012V1R3 "GA3" 43.xx Z192 2013 FP May 2013V1R4 "GA4.1"45.xx EC 12 GA4+fixpack Your customer would need to determine the zPDT build level to find out the z Architecture. To do that you can look in the SG24-8205-00 'zPDT Guide and Reference' and look for the command '$rpm -qa | grep 109' (as in 1090 1091 for the token). The information returned from mine looks something like: [ibmsys1@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa | grep 109 z1090-1-4.45.26.01.x86_64 I have a 2013 V1R4 45.26 release so it's capable of EC 12 levels but note Mr. Bohns observation previously in this thread. Hope this helps! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Correct, enter it in a Linux Terminal session. And I don't know the answer to your E39/ARCH/ZS question. I don't believe that is the case. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:59 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Have them send you the output of the z1090ver command: $ z1090ver z1090, version z1090_v1r0_E39, build date - 10/17/08 SUSE 32 bit From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:28 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> What command or similar do I ask the customer to run to determine that? "Please send us the output of the command." (Or " report.") Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 09:44 AM Subject:How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Correct, enter it in a Linux Terminal session. And I don't know the answer to your E39/ARCH/ZS question. I don't believe that is the case. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:59 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Have them send you the output of the z1090ver command: $ z1090ver z1090, version z1090_v1r0_E39, build date - 10/17/08 SUSE 32 bit From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:28 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> What command or similar do I ask the customer to run to determine that? "Please send us the output of the command." (Or " report.") Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 09:44 AM Subject: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
However, keep in mind that this is a statement about the CPU architecture, and not the I/O architecture. For example, zPDT does not support MIDAWs, which were introduced on the z9 machines. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY Steve M Bohn/Cincinnati/IBM@IBMUS wrote on 02/23/2017 10:35:15 AM: > From: Steve M Bohn/Cincinnati/IBM@IBMUS > To: ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu > Date: 02/23/2017 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? > > Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For > example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Thanks. And I gather that's a Linux command, not a "z/OS" command. And working from the Redbook, the output below would indicate an E39, an emulated z800/900, ARCH(5) or ZS, right? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Have them send you the output of the z1090ver command: $ z1090ver z1090, version z1090_v1r0_E39, build date - 10/17/08 SUSE 32 bit From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:28 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> What command or similar do I ask the customer to run to determine that? "Please send us the output of the command." (Or " report.") Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 09:44 AM Subject:How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Have them send you the output of the z1090ver command: $ z1090ver z1090, version z1090_v1r0_E39, build date - 10/17/08 SUSE 32 bit From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 11:28 AM Subject:Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> What command or similar do I ask the customer to run to determine that? "Please send us the output of the command." (Or " report.") Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 09:44 AM Subject:How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
What command or similar do I ask the customer to run to determine that? "Please send us the output of the command." (Or " report.") Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve M Bohn Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 09:44 AM Subject:How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Charles, the architecture level is fixed at the zPDT's release level. For example: zPDT V1R6 runs the z13 architecture level. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/23/2017 09:44 AM Subject:How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
How determine effective architecture level of a z/PDT?
Do I understand correctly? All z/PDT's return z1090 or z1091 for D M=CPU? How can one determine the effective architecture level? Is it pretending to be a z9 or a BC12? (On a customer machine. I know that possible general answers are "write a program to query the facility bits" or "use a CBT tool" but I would like an answer that relied only on things that a customer would already have in place, such as a console command.) Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
