[JAWS-Users] Unofficial J2018 update, Build, 1712.54, Direct Download Links + What's New

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

I learned about this update from another list, & it's all explained below.

Reading issues have been reported when using JAWS 2018.1712.10 (released in 
December 2017) with  Windows 10 Universal apps.  Here are some examples:

list of 2 items
1. In Windows Mail, JAWS 2018 will not speak the body of an email while 
navigating by character or word.  And JAWS may read a previously opened 
email
instead of the current one.
2. In Sticky Notes, JAWS 2018 repeats the character in focus and will not 
speak the text while navigating by character or word.
list end

Solution

These problems have been fixed and will be included in the next JAWS 2018 
update.  But if you need these fixes before the public release, you have 2 
options
for receiving a pre-release update as follows:

list of 2 items
A. Download the full version update from the appropriate link below. It is 
OK to install over the existing version, or it can be done as a new install
by itself.


32 Bit:

http://jaws2018.vfo.digital/171254AT7754/J2018.1712.54enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://jaws2018.vfo.digital/171254AT7754/J2018.1712.54enu-x64.exe

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Scorpio]

It is in your settings centre.

Once in there, go to Speech and Sounds Schemes, pressing right arrow to open 
it.


Arrow down to modify schemes... and press the spacebar.

In the resulting dialog box, tab to the edit sound scheme button and press 
the spacebar.


In the resulting dialog box, control+tab to the HTML tab and it'll be the 
fourteenth item in the list, and it's labelled as "onclick" and should be 
spoken as "clickable".


I have changed it to say simply click instead of the clickable so it doesn't 
interfere with my webpage reading very much.


I've also changed the "on mouse over" links to just say mouse instead of the 
mouse over.


Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Yes Jim, they sure do.

Well, this has been a thing since at least 2016. I found the archived thread 
about this, probably from this list.


I have turned off the "indicate element attributes" checkbox and this has 
done the trick. But this isn't an entirely satisfying solution, since now 
I'll be missing some potentially useful information as well. The little help 
message informs me that you can turn on and off individual attribute 
announcements using speech and sound schemes. This I know. However, 
"clickable" is simply not to be found anywhere in that list. So if they 
could just add it to the schemes page -- then we could turn it on and off at 
will. Seems very uncomplicated to me ... or am I missing something?




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Pursley

Sent: January 10, 2018 7:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

I recall a response from FS that the "clickable" ghost issue is a known item 
and they're working on a fix.  I've no further information, though.  When I 
switched to Firefox as my default browser about 6 months ago when IE 
insisted on opening pdf's in the browser, the everpresent clickable sound 
was a real nuisance. Now it's just a nuisance.  Humans have a wonderful 
talent for drowning out useless noise so long as it does not tweak the 
emotions.


On 1/10/2018 9:59 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to
read. So, sorry for bringing it up again.



But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there
often *is* "clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me 
of this fact.

But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there
is nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And
can I get a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss
important information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia
article or IMDB review or something and hear "clickable, clickable,
clickable", on what appears to be static text - that just seems like 
weird, excessive noise.




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Mike B.]

Hi JM,

find and expand, speech and sounds schemes.
down arrow to and activate modify schemes.
Tab to, Edit scheme, & press the spacebar.
control+tab to html tab.
tab and down arrow to on click speak.
tab and down arrow to ignore.
tab to and activate ok.
Now you have to save this modified scheme.  This will get you started, & you 
will get it all figured out once you're in there.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: JM Casey
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?


Well, I'm looking in speech/sound schemes, and I can find every "attribute"
I can think of, except this one. "draggable", "droppable", but no
"clickable".


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Agree. The very few times where there's an element that can be clicked
through for me at least doesn't warrant this feature to be enabled. Besides,
you can more or less tell if and when you can click on something to bring up
a dialog on the page.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

its not useful as far as i am concerned.
both window eyes and n v d a does the same thing. and so far none of these
so called clickables click on anything.
if i could turn this off for all my screen readers i would do it. its
totally useless to me.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Crist bal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.



But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.



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[JAWS-Users] protective view in MS office 2013

[leonard morris]

I know how to turn off protective view Mode in MS 2013 thanks to 
knowledgeable folks here. However, I would like to know how to protect a 
document in MS office 2013 because I have a personal journal I want to 
keep private. Thansk.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] This webpage wants to run the following add-on: 'Apple' from 'Apple Inc

[Lenny McHugh]

Thanks, I did a search and did not locate that. I found microsoft notes on 
how to remove or prevent it and thay did not work.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] This webpage wants to run the following add-on: 
'Apple' from 'Apple Inc


A quick search on the web reveals that it has something to do with
Quicktime, which is an Apple video format. I guess your newspaper wants to
display multimedia content. Doesn't sound like there's anything wrong...



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: January 9, 2018 11:40 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] This webpage wants to run the following add-on:
'Apple' from 'Apple Inc

I am running IE 11 and win 7. For a few weeks this message pops up when I
try to read the local paper as well as a few other random sites. I did a
repair on IE 11 with no help. I also ran combofix again with no help.
Any suggestions?
thanks


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Chrome browser blocking some web sites

[David Moore]

Hi!
If you press tab, there is a choice to accept the web site and have it come up 
in Chrome. It is usually called: Allow. Just press enter on Allow, and the web 
site will come up in Chrome!
I have had some web sites say that as well.
That is all you do.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Fred C. Adams
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Chrome browser blocking some web sites

I am using W10, latest jaws and chrome browser and
some web sites chrome will not let me open some
web sites.  I am not using exact words but chrome
tells me that the web site is not safe but IE 11
will open the web site with no problems.  Is it
possible for this feature in chrome to be turned
off as I want to make up my own mind the web sites
I wish to open?

Thanks much,


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[JM Casey]

Yes Jim, they sure do.

Well, this has been a thing since at least 2016. I found the archived thread 
about this, probably from this list.

I have turned off the "indicate element attributes" checkbox and this has done 
the trick. But this isn't an entirely satisfying solution, since now I'll be 
missing some potentially useful information as well. The little help message 
informs me that you can turn on and off individual attribute announcements 
using speech and sound schemes. This I know. However, "clickable" is simply not 
to be found anywhere in that list. So if they could just add it to the schemes 
page -- then we could turn it on and off at will. Seems very uncomplicated to 
me ... or am I missing something?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Pursley
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

I recall a response from FS that the "clickable" ghost issue is a known item 
and they're working on a fix.  I've no further information, though.  When I 
switched to Firefox as my default browser about 6 months ago when IE insisted 
on opening pdf's in the browser, the everpresent clickable sound was a real 
nuisance. Now it's just a nuisance.  Humans have a wonderful talent for 
drowning out useless noise so long as it does not tweak the emotions.

On 1/10/2018 9:59 PM, JM Casey wrote:
> Hey everyone.
>
> I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't 
> relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to 
> read. So, sorry for bringing it up again.
>
>   
>
> But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there 
> often *is* "clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of 
> this fact.
> But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there 
> is nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And 
> can I get a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss 
> important information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia 
> article or IMDB review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, 
> clickable", on what appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, 
> excessive noise.
>
>   
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Jim Pursley]

I recall a response from FS that the "clickable" ghost issue is a known 
item and they're working on a fix.  I've no further information, 
though.  When I switched to Firefox as my default browser about 6 months 
ago when IE insisted on opening pdf's in the browser, the everpresent 
clickable sound was a real nuisance. Now it's just a nuisance.  Humans 
have a wonderful talent for drowning out useless noise so long as it 
does not tweak the emotions.


On 1/10/2018 9:59 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

  


But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[JM Casey]

Well, I'm looking in speech/sound schemes, and I can find every "attribute"
I can think of, except this one. "draggable", "droppable", but no
"clickable".


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Agree. The very few times where there's an element that can be clicked
through for me at least doesn't warrant this feature to be enabled. Besides,
you can more or less tell if and when you can click on something to bring up
a dialog on the page.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

its not useful as far as i am concerned.
both window eyes and n v d a does the same thing. and so far none of these
so called clickables click on anything.
if i could turn this off for all my screen readers i would do it. its
totally useless to me.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Crist bal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.



But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Cristóbal]

Agree. The very few times where there's an element that can be clicked through 
for me at least doesn't warrant this feature to be enabled. Besides, you can 
more or less tell if and when you can click on something to bring up a dialog 
on the page.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of net bat66
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

its not useful as far as i am concerned.
both window eyes and n v d a does the same thing. and so far none of these so 
called clickables click on anything.
if i could turn this off for all my screen readers i would do it. its totally 
useless to me.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is 
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to 
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn the 
whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Crist bal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of memory 
so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure someone 
else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't relevant 
to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So, sorry for 
bringing it up again.



But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is* 
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is 
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get a 
happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important information 
about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB review or 
something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what appears to be 
static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[net bat66]

its not useful as far as i am concerned.
both window eyes and n v d a does the same thing. and so far none of these so 
called clickables click on anything.
if i could turn this off for all my screen readers i would do it. its totally 
useless to me.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Crist�bal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.



But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[JM Casey]

Hm. Yes. Do you know why JAWS does this when it isn't clickable? It even
says this for blank lines!



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

I would rather hear that "clickable," for the reasons you mentioned.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

 

But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Judy Jones]

I would rather hear that "clickable," for the reasons you mentioned.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

 

But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[JM Casey]

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

 

But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[Cristóbal]

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

 

But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

 

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[JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[JM Casey]

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.

 

But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[David G. Carlson Via iPhone]

Have you updated to the latest version of jaws 2018? That feature came late in 
the rollout.

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2018, at 2:53 PM, net bat66  wrote:

check your jaws version again.
this option is not available with version 18.0
only with version 2018.
they are not the same version.
you do not open the files with adobe.
you highlight them from the file list then open a context menu on them
to use the Recognize with JAWS  option. but only with jaws 2018.

-Original Message- From: Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

Recognize with JAWS is not in the context menu for any of these 3 documents.


- Original Message - From: "net bat66" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


> none of this is  needed with jaws 2018.
> its easier to just go to the file and open a context menu on it and use 
> recognize with jaws. without haveing to open it in adobe reader.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dave...Oregonian
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:21 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018
> 
> What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then
> remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:
> 
> Insert+Spacebar
> Release to hear a click sound
> Press the letter O
> release
> Press the letter D
> release
> You should hear a response that it is working
> 
> I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.
> 
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Vicki W." 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018
> 
> 
> That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
> window opens.
> 
> The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
> difference?
> 
> Vicki
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Reed" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018
> 
> 
>> Hi Vicki,
>> 
>> After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
>> (without the quotes).
>> This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
>> scan, depending on the size of your document.
>> The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
>> If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
>> text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.
>> 
>> Reed
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
>> Behalf Of Vicki W.
>> Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
>> To: JAWS 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018
>> 
>> I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
>> 2018 to read them?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Vicki
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>> 
>> 
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>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services

[t]

thank you, and it's nice to know there's a person on here that doesn't see 
the tech angle for everything, like me, thanks again


-Original Message- 
From: matthew Dyer

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 5:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services

Hi,

I think what he is asking is if there are any free email services other than 
gmail and yahoo.  I believe there is something called gmx, but have not used 
it in a while.  There is also something called poste.de, but have not looked 
at it so don’’t really know.  Doing a search for free email services should 
do the trick though and if I come acrosst any myself I will be sure to pass 
them on..  Thanks.


Matthew



On 1/10/18, 2:12 PM, "JAWS-Users-List on behalf of Dave...Oregonian" 
 wrote:


   Not sure how to answer. If your friend is asking about other email 
servers,
   I suspect it is based on their web interface. Otherwise, the question 
might

   apply to the email client, perhaps?

   Dave
   Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


   - Original Message - 
   From: "t" <1forjh...@gmail.com>

   To: "jul" 
   Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:01
   Subject: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services


   I know that jaws works on gmail and yahoo email, but are there other 
free
   email services that work with jaws? I have a blind friend that�s not 
on the

   list that asked me this question
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

[Adrian Spratt]

Gratifying. Thanks for posting the result.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 5:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Sigh of relief! Thank you. I just managed to change the forms mode setting.
I had to wait till I was trying to post, then do the insert thing. Otherwise 
the setting for autoforms wasn't available. Nomore posting/refreshing issue, 
yay! Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Wow that helps a lot. I've had the loading twice thing, too. And yes, it'll 
just dump me into forms mode, or kick me out of it just as fast. Very 
unpredictable. I'll change that setting and see if that helps! Thanks! Very 
clear, btw. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

A few thoughts.

First, with JAWS, some webpages act as if they load twice. I will click on a 
link and JAWS will start speaking the next page. I assume all is well and start 
navigating, typing, etc. However, it turns out JAWS hasn't processed the page 
yet, and so after a pause (which I don't always catch), JAWS resumes speaking 
from the top again. This is especially true with webpages that have lots of 
links and other controls. 
When I know from experience that I'm about to go to such a page, I wait until 
JAWS starts speaking a second time. Only then do I go to work on it.

Second, I wonder how you're handling forms mode. If I remember correctly, the 
JAWS default is "auto." This means that when a page opens, JAWS seeks out an 
edit field and puts you in it. I've long since given up on that setting. 
Instead, I have it set to manual. 
Go into JAWS quick settings with insert-v, then arrow down to "Autoforms."
Press spacebar until JAWS says "manual" and tab to okay to confirm. 
This will give you the choice of whether or not to go into an edit field. In 
this case, you would press e (the quick navigation key for "edit field") and 
once there, press enter to enable you to enter your username, password, etc.
Note that once in forms mode, you can tab from field to field without leaving 
forms mode.
I found that in auto forms mode, JAWS would act unpredictably. With JAWS, it's 
crucial to have maximum user control.

I hope this is both clear and relevant. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Hi. New to the list, to Jaws and to computers. How do you stop a page from 
refreshing when you are typing/ I'm on afew forums and All of them seem to auto 
refresh! I have done the insert, typed "refresh" selected "off' and then hit 
ok. I have also shut down and restarted the computer afew ties since then. It 
still says the refresh feature is off. But everytime I start typing, it either 
jumps lines, causing some really funky posts which I then have to clean up, or 
kicks  me out of the type field completely. Did I miss a step? Is iththe sites 
themselves? FS didn't have any further advice toher than what I just did when I 
called them. Very frustrating. Thank you so much. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services

[matthew Dyer]

Hi,

I think what he is asking is if there are any free email services other than 
gmail and yahoo.  I believe there is something called gmx, but have not used it 
in a while.  There is also something called poste.de, but have not looked at it 
so don’’t really know.  Doing a search for free email services should do the 
trick though and if I come acrosst any myself I will be sure to pass them on..  
Thanks.

Matthew



On 1/10/18, 2:12 PM, "JAWS-Users-List on behalf of Dave...Oregonian" 
 
wrote:

Not sure how to answer. If your friend is asking about other email servers, 
I suspect it is based on their web interface. Otherwise, the question might 
apply to the email client, perhaps?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "t" <1forjh...@gmail.com>
To: "jul" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:01
Subject: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services


I know that jaws works on gmail and yahoo email, but are there other free 
email services that work with jaws? I have a blind friend that�s not on 
the 
list that asked me this question
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

check your jaws version again.
this option is not available with version 18.0
only with version 2018.
they are not the same version.
you do not open the files with adobe.
you highlight them from the file list then open a context menu on them
to use the Recognize with JAWS  option. but only with jaws 2018.

-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

Recognize with JAWS is not in the context menu for any of these 3 documents.


- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



none of this is  needed with jaws 2018.
its easier to just go to the file and open a context menu on it and use 
recognize with jaws. without haveing to open it in adobe reader.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then
remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:

Insert+Spacebar
Release to hear a click sound
Press the letter O
release
Press the letter D
release
You should hear a response that it is working

I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

[Fuzzmom]

Sigh of relief! Thank you. I just managed to change the forms mode setting.
I had to wait till I was trying to post, then do the insert thing. Otherwise
the setting for autoforms wasn't available. Nomore posting/refreshing issue,
yay! Thanks! 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Wow that helps a lot. I've had the loading twice thing, too. And yes, it'll
just dump me into forms mode, or kick me out of it just as fast. Very
unpredictable. I'll change that setting and see if that helps! Thanks! Very
clear, btw. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

A few thoughts.

First, with JAWS, some webpages act as if they load twice. I will click on a
link and JAWS will start speaking the next page. I assume all is well and
start navigating, typing, etc. However, it turns out JAWS hasn't processed
the page yet, and so after a pause (which I don't always catch), JAWS
resumes speaking from the top again. This is especially true with webpages
that have lots of links and other controls. 
When I know from experience that I'm about to go to such a page, I wait
until JAWS starts speaking a second time. Only then do I go to work on it.

Second, I wonder how you're handling forms mode. If I remember correctly,
the JAWS default is "auto." This means that when a page opens, JAWS seeks
out an edit field and puts you in it. I've long since given up on that
setting. Instead, I have it set to manual. 
Go into JAWS quick settings with insert-v, then arrow down to "Autoforms."
Press spacebar until JAWS says "manual" and tab to okay to confirm. 
This will give you the choice of whether or not to go into an edit field. In
this case, you would press e (the quick navigation key for "edit field") and
once there, press enter to enable you to enter your username, password, etc.
Note that once in forms mode, you can tab from field to field without
leaving forms mode.
I found that in auto forms mode, JAWS would act unpredictably. With JAWS,
it's crucial to have maximum user control.

I hope this is both clear and relevant. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Hi. New to the list, to Jaws and to computers. How do you stop a page from
refreshing when you are typing/ I'm on afew forums and All of them seem to
auto refresh! I have done the insert, typed "refresh" selected "off' and
then hit ok. I have also shut down and restarted the computer afew ties
since then. It still says the refresh feature is off. But everytime I start
typing, it either jumps lines, causing some really funky posts which I then
have to clean up, or kicks  me out of the type field completely. Did I miss
a step? Is iththe sites themselves? FS didn't have any further advice toher
than what I just did when I called them. Very frustrating. Thank you so
much. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

[Fuzzmom]

Wow that helps a lot. I've had the loading twice thing, too. And yes, it'll
just dump me into forms mode, or kick me out of it just as fast. Very
unpredictable. I'll change that setting and see if that helps! Thanks! Very
clear, btw. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

A few thoughts.

First, with JAWS, some webpages act as if they load twice. I will click on a
link and JAWS will start speaking the next page. I assume all is well and
start navigating, typing, etc. However, it turns out JAWS hasn't processed
the page yet, and so after a pause (which I don't always catch), JAWS
resumes speaking from the top again. This is especially true with webpages
that have lots of links and other controls. 
When I know from experience that I'm about to go to such a page, I wait
until JAWS starts speaking a second time. Only then do I go to work on it.

Second, I wonder how you're handling forms mode. If I remember correctly,
the JAWS default is "auto." This means that when a page opens, JAWS seeks
out an edit field and puts you in it. I've long since given up on that
setting. Instead, I have it set to manual. 
Go into JAWS quick settings with insert-v, then arrow down to "Autoforms."
Press spacebar until JAWS says "manual" and tab to okay to confirm. 
This will give you the choice of whether or not to go into an edit field. In
this case, you would press e (the quick navigation key for "edit field") and
once there, press enter to enable you to enter your username, password, etc.
Note that once in forms mode, you can tab from field to field without
leaving forms mode.
I found that in auto forms mode, JAWS would act unpredictably. With JAWS,
it's crucial to have maximum user control.

I hope this is both clear and relevant. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Hi. New to the list, to Jaws and to computers. How do you stop a page from
refreshing when you are typing/ I'm on afew forums and All of them seem to
auto refresh! I have done the insert, typed "refresh" selected "off' and
then hit ok. I have also shut down and restarted the computer afew ties
since then. It still says the refresh feature is off. But everytime I start
typing, it either jumps lines, causing some really funky posts which I then
have to clean up, or kicks  me out of the type field completely. Did I miss
a step? Is iththe sites themselves? FS didn't have any further advice toher
than what I just did when I called them. Very frustrating. Thank you so
much. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[Fuzzmom]

This weekend it took me ten minutes to figure out an audio captcha. I don't
do background noise well either. Questions are good: is grass green? What is
2 plus 2? Simple stuff that requires a human answer. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 3:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yeah, that works, and I've tried this, too. I have difficulty hearing
through background noise sometimes and the audio captshas are designed to
be, well, noisy.

Your solution is one I kind of like, but I don't think a lot of people in
the world would know the answer to that question. It's surprisingly hard to
come up with universal trivia.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 10, 2018 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

My audio solution has become this. Open a word document and then listen to
the audio and type what I hear. Being a tiny bit older than some on the
list, I just try for 3 or 4 numbers or letters at a time. Then I have it
repeated until I have the solution  entered in Word. Then I copy and paste
the results into the field and most of the time, I get it correct on one or
two tries. The structure of the audio CAPTCHs is such that you have to click
to start the audio and then jump into the solution field and type. This
makes me hurry and I too often goof. Just be sure that when you go back to
activate the repeat button that you don't press "get a new challenge." 

I still think that we could come up with a better CAPTCH structure. How
about audio that said, "Enter the first name of the famous man shot by John
Wilks Boot." 
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, true. I almost never successfully solved an audio one. They do seem to
be getting clearer though. I just registered to IMDB to post film reviews
and such and that was my test of wibvism. Nope, could not solve image, much
to my disappointment. However, two tries and I got the audio one perfectly.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 9, 2018 8:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

The text and background is intentionally done as Dave said. It is meant to
make it impossible to be recognized by OCR. I have heard a few audio CAPTCHs
that, without distortion, would say something like "Jim had two cows and a
horse. He sold a cow. How many horses were left? "This example is overly
simplistic, still there are better ways to prove your humanness than the
current tests. As someone with both vision and hearing limitations, I hate
all regular forms of CAPTCHAs.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Nope. Captchas are written in very hard-to-read text, on a very hard-to-read
foreground/background color combination.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "LeDon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 16:05
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I think that seeing AI might do what you want,  if that is reading a sign or
something.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 12:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, I do this with my iPhone. I open Be My Eyes app and when the person
comes on I hold my iPhone on the screen of my pc and then the person on Be
My eyes can tell you which way to move the iPhone so they can see the Capcha
and then they can read the information to you. Last time I did it the lady
stayed on my iPhone after I entered the numbers or letter to make sure it
worked.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your
PC screen?

-Original Message-
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on 

Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Vicki W.]

Recognize with JAWS is not in the context menu for any of these 3 documents.


- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



none of this is  needed with jaws 2018.
its easier to just go to the file and open a context menu on it and 
use recognize with jaws. without haveing to open it in adobe reader.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then
remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:

Insert+Spacebar
Release to hear a click sound
Press the letter O
release
Press the letter D
release
You should hear a response that it is working

I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[wayne smith]

That would work but I have a small digital recorder on my desk and I record
the audio challenge and then play it back, either would work

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

My audio solution has become this. Open a word document and then listen to
the audio and type what I hear. Being a tiny bit older than some on the
list, I just try for 3 or 4 numbers or letters at a time. Then I have it
repeated until I have the solution  entered in Word. Then I copy and paste
the results into the field and most of the time, I get it correct on one or
two tries. The structure of the audio CAPTCHs is such that you have to click
to start the audio and then jump into the solution field and type. This
makes me hurry and I too often goof. Just be sure that when you go back to
activate the repeat button that you don't press "get a new challenge." 

I still think that we could come up with a better CAPTCH structure. How
about audio that said, "Enter the first name of the famous man shot by John
Wilks Boot." 
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, true. I almost never successfully solved an audio one. They do seem to
be getting clearer though. I just registered to IMDB to post film reviews
and such and that was my test of wibvism. Nope, could not solve image, much
to my disappointment. However, two tries and I got the audio one perfectly.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 9, 2018 8:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

The text and background is intentionally done as Dave said. It is meant to
make it impossible to be recognized by OCR. I have heard a few audio CAPTCHs
that, without distortion, would say something like "Jim had two cows and a
horse. He sold a cow. How many horses were left? "This example is overly
simplistic, still there are better ways to prove your humanness than the
current tests. As someone with both vision and hearing limitations, I hate
all regular forms of CAPTCHAs.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Nope. Captchas are written in very hard-to-read text, on a very hard-to-read
foreground/background color combination.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "LeDon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 16:05
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I think that seeing AI might do what you want,  if that is reading a sign or
something.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 12:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, I do this with my iPhone. I open Be My Eyes app and when the person
comes on I hold my iPhone on the screen of my pc and then the person on Be
My eyes can tell you which way to move the iPhone so they can see the Capcha
and then they can read the information to you. Last time I did it the lady
stayed on my iPhone after I entered the numbers or letter to make sure it
worked.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your
PC screen?

-Original Message-
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

[Adrian Spratt]

A few thoughts.

First, with JAWS, some webpages act as if they load twice. I will click on a 
link and JAWS will start speaking the next page. I assume all is well and start 
navigating, typing, etc. However, it turns out JAWS hasn't processed the page 
yet, and so after a pause (which I don't always catch), JAWS resumes speaking 
from the top again. This is especially true with webpages that have lots of 
links and other controls. 
When I know from experience that I'm about to go to such a page, I wait until 
JAWS starts speaking a second time. Only then do I go to work on it.

Second, I wonder how you're handling forms mode. If I remember correctly, the 
JAWS default is "auto." This means that when a page opens, JAWS seeks out an 
edit field and puts you in it. I've long since given up on that setting. 
Instead, I have it set to manual. 
Go into JAWS quick settings with insert-v, then arrow down to "Autoforms." 
Press spacebar until JAWS says "manual" and tab to okay to confirm. 
This will give you the choice of whether or not to go into an edit field. In 
this case, you would press e (the quick navigation key for "edit field") and 
once there, press enter to enable you to enter your username, password, etc. 
Note that once in forms mode, you can tab from field to field without leaving 
forms mode.
I found that in auto forms mode, JAWS would act unpredictably. With JAWS, it's 
crucial to have maximum user control.

I hope this is both clear and relevant. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fuzzmom
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

Hi. New to the list, to Jaws and to computers. How do you stop a page from 
refreshing when you are typing/ I'm on afew forums and All of them seem to auto 
refresh! I have done the insert, typed "refresh" selected "off' and then hit 
ok. I have also shut down and restarted the computer afew ties since then. It 
still says the refresh feature is off. But everytime I start typing, it either 
jumps lines, causing some really funky posts which I then have to clean up, or 
kicks  me out of the type field completely. Did I miss a step? Is iththe sites 
themselves? FS didn't have any further advice toher than what I just did when I 
called them. Very frustrating. Thank you so much. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Any tips on screen-sharing with sighted users?

[JM Casey]

Thanks Jason. That doc doesn't give much info about braille viewer, or what
the sighted person actually sees. Is it a highlighted line? Is it simulated
braille? I do not currently have a braille display, though I've used one
with JAWS in the past. Unfortunately the screen-sharing software only shares
one application window at a time. I do not know how accurately it displays
JAWS information, or the virtual buffer. I'm trying to find out



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jason White
Sent: January 5, 2018 8:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Any tips on screen-sharing with sighted users?

Consider enabling the JAWS braille viewer. Note that you do not need to have
a braille display for this to work, but if you do have a braille display,
both can be used together.

http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs11f929e9c511/20
12-04-12_teachersandtrainers-l4/02_jawsandbraille.htm

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Any tips on screen-sharing with sighted users?

Hi folks. I need to be doing this soon, while using a web application. By
default, JAWS does not even show the position of the virtual cursor, which
means a sighted person would have a hard time following my
navigation/reading/etc. However, I found the option in settings to highlight
the virtual cursor, which I think should help. Is there anything else anyone
feels I should be aware of? I explained that the virtual buffer reformats
pages in non-screen layout already.

 

Thanks.

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[JM Casey]

Yeah, that works, and I've tried this, too. I have difficulty hearing
through background noise sometimes and the audio captshas are designed to
be, well, noisy.

Your solution is one I kind of like, but I don't think a lot of people in
the world would know the answer to that question. It's surprisingly hard to
come up with universal trivia.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 10, 2018 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

My audio solution has become this. Open a word document and then listen to
the audio and type what I hear. Being a tiny bit older than some on the
list, I just try for 3 or 4 numbers or letters at a time. Then I have it
repeated until I have the solution  entered in Word. Then I copy and paste
the results into the field and most of the time, I get it correct on one or
two tries. The structure of the audio CAPTCHs is such that you have to click
to start the audio and then jump into the solution field and type. This
makes me hurry and I too often goof. Just be sure that when you go back to
activate the repeat button that you don't press "get a new challenge." 

I still think that we could come up with a better CAPTCH structure. How
about audio that said, "Enter the first name of the famous man shot by John
Wilks Boot." 
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, true. I almost never successfully solved an audio one. They do seem to
be getting clearer though. I just registered to IMDB to post film reviews
and such and that was my test of wibvism. Nope, could not solve image, much
to my disappointment. However, two tries and I got the audio one perfectly.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 9, 2018 8:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

The text and background is intentionally done as Dave said. It is meant to
make it impossible to be recognized by OCR. I have heard a few audio CAPTCHs
that, without distortion, would say something like "Jim had two cows and a
horse. He sold a cow. How many horses were left? "This example is overly
simplistic, still there are better ways to prove your humanness than the
current tests. As someone with both vision and hearing limitations, I hate
all regular forms of CAPTCHAs.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Nope. Captchas are written in very hard-to-read text, on a very hard-to-read
foreground/background color combination.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "LeDon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 16:05
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I think that seeing AI might do what you want,  if that is reading a sign or
something.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 12:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, I do this with my iPhone. I open Be My Eyes app and when the person
comes on I hold my iPhone on the screen of my pc and then the person on Be
My eyes can tell you which way to move the iPhone so they can see the Capcha
and then they can read the information to you. Last time I did it the lady
stayed on my iPhone after I entered the numbers or letter to make sure it
worked.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your
PC screen?

-Original Message-
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 

Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[ely.r]

My audio solution has become this. Open a word document and then listen to
the audio and type what I hear. Being a tiny bit older than some on the
list, I just try for 3 or 4 numbers or letters at a time. Then I have it
repeated until I have the solution  entered in Word. Then I copy and paste
the results into the field and most of the time, I get it correct on one or
two tries. The structure of the audio CAPTCHs is such that you have to click
to start the audio and then jump into the solution field and type. This
makes me hurry and I too often goof. Just be sure that when you go back to
activate the repeat button that you don't press "get a new challenge." 

I still think that we could come up with a better CAPTCH structure. How
about audio that said, "Enter the first name of the famous man shot by John
Wilks Boot." 
Rick 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, true. I almost never successfully solved an audio one. They do seem to
be getting clearer though. I just registered to IMDB to post film reviews
and such and that was my test of wibvism. Nope, could not solve image, much
to my disappointment. However, two tries and I got the audio one perfectly.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 9, 2018 8:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

The text and background is intentionally done as Dave said. It is meant to
make it impossible to be recognized by OCR. I have heard a few audio CAPTCHs
that, without distortion, would say something like "Jim had two cows and a
horse. He sold a cow. How many horses were left? "This example is overly
simplistic, still there are better ways to prove your humanness than the
current tests. As someone with both vision and hearing limitations, I hate
all regular forms of CAPTCHAs.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Nope. Captchas are written in very hard-to-read text, on a very hard-to-read
foreground/background color combination.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "LeDon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 16:05
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I think that seeing AI might do what you want,  if that is reading a sign or
something.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 12:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, I do this with my iPhone. I open Be My Eyes app and when the person
comes on I hold my iPhone on the screen of my pc and then the person on Be
My eyes can tell you which way to move the iPhone so they can see the Capcha
and then they can read the information to you. Last time I did it the lady
stayed on my iPhone after I entered the numbers or letter to make sure it
worked.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your
PC screen?

-Original Message-
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Andy Baracco]

Text that is embedded in an image, such as a stop sign, would not be read.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other 
window opens.


The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a 
difference?


Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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[JAWS-Users] Page Refreshing Kicking Me out of Typing Field

[Fuzzmom]

Hi. New to the list, to Jaws and to computers. How do you stop a page from
refreshing when you are typing/ I'm on afew forums and All of them seem to
auto refresh! I have done the insert, typed "refresh" selected "off' and
then hit ok. I have also shut down and restarted the computer afew ties
since then. It still says the refresh feature is off. But everytime I start
typing, it either jumps lines, causing some really funky posts which I then
have to clean up, or kicks  me out of the type field completely. Did I miss
a step? Is iththe sites themselves? FS didn't have any further advice toher
than what I just did when I called them. Very frustrating. Thank you so
much. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

none of this is  needed with jaws 2018.
its easier to just go to the file and open a context menu on it and use 
recognize with jaws. without haveing to open it in adobe reader.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then
remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:

Insert+Spacebar
Release to hear a click sound
Press the letter O
release
Press the letter D
release
You should hear a response that it is working

I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

they said jaws 2018.
no, note pad is not needed to read the text.
i just for got to delete the note pad reference when i was editing what i was 
going to say. grin
but you do need to use note pad if you want to save the ocr text, by useing 
copy and paste to copy the text into note pad.

***


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

That seems a bit vague, even to me. Do you bring up the file list in the
"Open" dialog of Notepad? If so, you also need to change the file type to
"all files" to see any PDF document.

I'm thinking that your idea is based on JAWS 2018 with the capability to
recognize a PDF file directly from a file list in Windows Explorer, and not
opening it. If so, then Notepad has nothing to do with the process -- the
virtual viewer will come up without having Notepad open.

I'm not sure the requester has said what version of JAWS is being used.

Also the context menu that pops up does not say "OCR" it instead says
"Recognize with JAWS".

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:17
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


easy.
open note pad then go to your files. but don't open them.
open a context menu on them and use the ocr option and wait a few seconds
for
it to process the text.
do not press  the escape key or it will close. then you can  view the text
of
the pdf file.
the acuracy of the text depends on how much video errors there are in the
scanned image.



-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018
to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Dave...Oregonian]

That seems a bit vague, even to me. Do you bring up the file list in the 
"Open" dialog of Notepad? If so, you also need to change the file type to 
"all files" to see any PDF document.

I'm thinking that your idea is based on JAWS 2018 with the capability to 
recognize a PDF file directly from a file list in Windows Explorer, and not 
opening it. If so, then Notepad has nothing to do with the process -- the 
virtual viewer will come up without having Notepad open.

I'm not sure the requester has said what version of JAWS is being used.

Also the context menu that pops up does not say "OCR" it instead says 
"Recognize with JAWS".

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:17
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


easy.
open note pad then go to your files. but don't open them.
open a context menu on them and use the ocr option and wait a few seconds 
for
it to process the text.
do not press  the escape key or it will close. then you can  view the text 
of
the pdf file.
the acuracy of the text depends on how much video errors there are in the
scanned image.



-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS 
2018
to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Dave...Oregonian]

What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then 
remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:

Insert+Spacebar
Release to hear a click sound
Press the letter O
release
Press the letter D
release
You should hear a response that it is working

I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


> Hi Vicki,
>
> After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
> (without the quotes).
> This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
> scan, depending on the size of your document.
> The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
> If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
> text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.
>
> Reed
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Vicki W.
> Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: JAWS 
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018
>
> I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
> 2018 to read them?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Vicki
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

you have to wait. like a 200 page pdf file can take over 1 minute to process. 
and jaws will  make a tone while you are waiting until it has finished.


-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

easy.
open note pad then go to your files. but don't open them.
open a context menu on them and use the ocr option and wait a few seconds for 
it to process the text.
do not press  the escape key or it will close. then you can  view the text of 
the pdf file.
the acuracy of the text depends on how much video errors there are in the 
scanned image.




-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS 2018 
to read them?


Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

[JM Casey]

Thanks Jason. All this is quite interesting.

Also, thanks for the tip about Braille Viewer.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason White
Sent: January 9, 2018 8:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

JAWS refers to elements with ARIA landmark roles as "regions". I haven't tested 
this, but I strongly suspect that some HTML5 elements are treated as regions 
also, for example, the  element, and the  element.

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Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 10:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

That's great. Should help us out a lot. Thank you.



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Of Fernando Gregoire
Sent: January 8, 2018 10:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

In addition to information given by Roger, you can find useful to see the JAWS 
Support for ARIA document, by Freedom Scientific, which explains not only 
compatibility level between JAWS and different browsers with specific ARIA 
tags, but also aspects in which for some reason JAWS deviates formally from the 
standards. You can find this document in Word format here:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/JAWS-ARIA-Support.doc

Hope it helps!

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Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

Thank you very much, Roger. No need to apologise; this was exactly the sort of 
thing I needed to read. Thanks for the page reference as well; I will show it 
to my contact and maybe she can pass it along to the developer. I understand 
the concept of web 2.0 and HTML 5; it was just good to get all this stuff 
clarified a bit, especially in the case of "aria". So thanks again.



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Of Roger Newell
Sent: January 8, 2018 4:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What, exactly, is a "region" (html navigation)

OK, this is going to be a bit of a rant, but please read it all because you 
will hopefully find it interesting and important.

About ten years ago, a new concept was invented. It was called Web 2.0. It 
isn't a new "version" of the web, but rather a new approach to what the web is 
and what it can do. In the 1990s and early 2000s, the web was simply a portal 
for reading and editing basic information, but around 2008 or so, this began 
tochange with the advent of Facebook, Twitter and more comprehensive websites. 
People started using the web for everything from banking to advanced document 
creation to even viewing and manipulating the files on other devices.

To keep up with this, The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) created Accessible 
Rich Internet Applications (ARIA). Many web developers saw the need to use 
nonstandard controls on their websites. For example, rather than having a 
button that advanced a user to a completely different page to see information, 
they wanted to have controls that expanded and collapsed different parts of a 
page. To let screen reader users know exactly what they were seeing, ARIA can 
be used to tell the screen reader and the blind user something like, "Hey. This 
is a nonstandard control. Just think of it as a button and you'll be okay.
And by the way, right now, it's open, so there's more information to see on 
this page." Web developers can use ARIA to give sections of their pages custom 
region names. As an example, go to the Training Downloads Page of the Freedom 
Scientific website.

A few years after ARIA came along, HTML5 (the latest version of the markup 
language used to code websites) was released. This gave web developers a lot of 
new semantic tools to play with because it was hoped that they would use to 
identify different parts of their pages so that one day, when AI would be 
advanced enough to read and comprehend webpages themselves, they would be able 
to more easily analyse websites using these semantic tags. Have you ever heard 
JAWS say something like "article" or "content information"? There are also tags 
for naming regions. These are some of the new tags in HTML5, but be aware that 
sometimes JAWS does not speak the correct name for the tag, which is one reason 
why JAWS is only somewhat standards-compliant. In JAWS 2018, you have the 
ability to customize what tags JAWS speaks aloud. To see this, go to Settings 
Center > Web/HTML/PDF > Reading > 

Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Vicki W.]

That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other 
window opens.


The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a 
difference?


Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services

[Dave...Oregonian]

Not sure how to answer. If your friend is asking about other email servers, 
I suspect it is based on their web interface. Otherwise, the question might 
apply to the email client, perhaps?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "t" <1forjh...@gmail.com>
To: "jul" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:01
Subject: [JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services


I know that jaws works on gmail and yahoo email, but are there other free 
email services that work with jaws? I have a blind friend that�s not on the 
list that asked me this question
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[JAWS-Users] [jaws] free email services

[t]

I know that jaws works on gmail and yahoo email, but are there other free email 
services that work with jaws? I have a blind friend that’s not on the list that 
asked me this question
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Reed]

Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer. 
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] I'm having trouble with this blasted link!.

[JM Casey]

Hey randy.

They did not put up the menu in any kind of text format. They only scanned
an image of their print menu. A lot of restaurants do this unfortunately.
Your best bet is to use oCR. I did the JAWS OCR thing on the window and got
reasonable results, though I only glanced at it (I'm very far from San
Antonio and already hungry as it is :P)


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of randy tijerina
Sent: January 9, 2018 6:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] I'm having trouble with this blasted link!.

Hi friendsthis link supposedly shows..the menu to this joint 
in   San antonio.
However, jaws just says...one heading or whatever..and 10 links...How do I
get the menu to display?
http://www.chestershamburgers.com/menu.html


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Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

[JM Casey]

Yes, true. I almost never successfully solved an audio one. They do seem to
be getting clearer though. I just registered to IMDB to post film reviews
and such and that was my test of wibvism. Nope, could not solve image, much
to my disappointment. However, two tries and I got the audio one perfectly.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of el...@comcast.net
Sent: January 9, 2018 8:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

The text and background is intentionally done as Dave said. It is meant to
make it impossible to be recognized by OCR. I have heard a few audio CAPTCHs
that, without distortion, would say something like "Jim had two cows and a
horse. He sold a cow. How many horses were left? "This example is overly
simplistic, still there are better ways to prove your humanness than the
current tests. As someone with both vision and hearing limitations, I hate
all regular forms of CAPTCHAs.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 7:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Nope. Captchas are written in very hard-to-read text, on a very hard-to-read
foreground/background color combination.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "LeDon" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 16:05
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA


I think that seeing AI might do what you want,  if that is reading a sign or
something.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 12:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Yes, I do this with my iPhone. I open Be My Eyes app and when the person
comes on I hold my iPhone on the screen of my pc and then the person on Be
My eyes can tell you which way to move the iPhone so they can see the Capcha
and then they can read the information to you. Last time I did it the lady
stayed on my iPhone after I entered the numbers or letter to make sure it
worked.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

Do you do this with your phone? Do you hold your phone's camera up to your
PC screen?

-Original Message-
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 10:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use Be My Eyes which is a free IOS app. It brings up a live person and you
put your camera on the screen and they can read it to you. Workds great and
is free.
Mr. Ed

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 3:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

I use capcha be gone, around 3 dollars a month, works well.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: January 7, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] web CAPTCHA

is it possible to use the jaws convenient OCR to solve web CAPTCHA?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] This webpage wants to run the following add-on: 'Apple' from 'Apple Inc

[JM Casey]

A quick search on the web reveals that it has something to do with
Quicktime, which is an Apple video format. I guess your newspaper wants to
display multimedia content. Doesn't sound like there's anything wrong...



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: January 9, 2018 11:40 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] This webpage wants to run the following add-on:
'Apple' from 'Apple Inc

I am running IE 11 and win 7. For a few weeks this message pops up when I
try to read the local paper as well as a few other random sites. I did a
repair on IE 11 with no help. I also ran combofix again with no help.
Any suggestions?
thanks


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[JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[Vicki W.]

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS 2018 
to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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[JAWS-Users] Chrome browser blocking some web sites

[Fred C. Adams]

I am using W10, latest jaws and chrome browser and
some web sites chrome will not let me open some
web sites.  I am not using exact words but chrome
tells me that the web site is not safe but IE 11
will open the web site with no problems.  Is it
possible for this feature in chrome to be turned
off as I want to make up my own mind the web sites
I wish to open?

Thanks much,


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