Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Adrian, I most definitely agree with you that the number of combinations we have to go through sometimes to get the results we need can be very frustrating, especially when it is necessary to get something done quickly. As you brought up, I had forgotten the need to sometimes go back to prior versions of JAWS to get something done. There is a website I need to go to weekly to fill out my timesheet, and it has a checkbox which needs to be checked that JAWS 18 does not seem to recognize. I have to load JAWS 17 in order to be able to check this box. Having to have all of these tools gets kind of crazy, but seems to be necessary these days. Pam From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf of Adrian Spratt [adr...@adrianspratt.com] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility issues are cleared up. Andy - Original Message - From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. > > Judy > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain > web > pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much > better with another. > > I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the > circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. > > The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. > > Pam > > > > From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf > of > JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > HI. > > My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also > have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work > well, > but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has > gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The > Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably > find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both > on > your machine. Keep your options open. > > -Original Mess
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
For sure, some of them are going to go the way of the dodo. We've already seen that with Window Eyes. I think the answer to the question with regards to JAWS though lies in the acronym...Job Access with Speech. I don't know how things are in Europe and other parts of the world, but in Canada and the uS, most corporate organisations, and governments, are going to invest in JAWS. They have a distrust of open-source software because they feel that, rather than having its code available being a potential benefit to all, it's a security risk. It's an ongoing debate. Of course when you download NVDA (and other open-source software, like, well, Mozilla Firefox I think), you should get it from a proper source, and not some random website or person. But I suppose a deep study of a program's code could potentially lead to someone finding a backdoor somewhere. The thing is, this happens with expensive, commercial software all the time, too, and I think it's even possible to decompile software, though such a thing is way beyond my technical knowledge. Anyway, for now, JAWS still seems to have better support for MS Office, so that would probably also be something considered by the professional sectors. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell Sent: February 24, 2018 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I'm wondering how VFO and other payed screen readers are planning to keep customers, considering the usability and no cost status of NVDA. I'm thinking younger people may choose NVDA or the talking apps on their cell phones. Regarding us old folks, as has been stated here by multiple users, we are growing weary of having to constantly battle the changing inaccessibility of browsers, applications, programs, etc. I, myself, am using my cell phone more and more. I guess we shall see what the future will bring. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com "Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!" --St. Francis On 2/24/2018 1:10 PM, Judy wrote: > Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience > anymore for all this back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Mitch > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > Hi, Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing > all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily > challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in > just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and > What's Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to > the age of the operator. > Mitch > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: JM Casey > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, > between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's > some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something > won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. > > The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At > first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will > be. > But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of > options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC > users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The > only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed > webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, > for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, > internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web > being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a > dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal > experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the > number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that > won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people > using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to > get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast > and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But > these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't > adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If > you're a carpenter, you proba
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
I'm wondering how VFO and other payed screen readers are planning to keep customers, considering the usability and no cost status of NVDA. I'm thinking younger people may choose NVDA or the talking apps on their cell phones. Regarding us old folks, as has been stated here by multiple users, we are growing weary of having to constantly battle the changing inaccessibility of browsers, applications, programs, etc. I, myself, am using my cell phone more and more. I guess we shall see what the future will bring. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com "Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!" --St. Francis On 2/24/2018 1:10 PM, Judy wrote: Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience anymore for all this back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser Hi, Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and What's Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to the age of the operator. Mitch Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn'
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience anymore for all this back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser Hi, Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and What's Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to the age of the operator. Mitch Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of scre
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Alt-b is the quickest way to access your bookmarks. You can add bookmarks from there, or subscribe to feeds. Somewhat less conveniently, you can not edit bookmarks from here. To do that, use ctrl-I, as you would in IE. A tree view will open that will give more control over your bookmarks. It's a toggle, so ctrl-I again will close it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Brian Zolo Sent: February 23, 2018 7:19 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser Good evening, I'm brian Zolo here from Gahanna, Ohio. I'm having a senior moment as I'm just really getting into using firefox as I've been an internet explorer user for years but since internet explorer is going away and more sites are not supporting it, I've decided to switch. What's the keystroke to access your bookmarks? Thanks so much, have a great weekend! . -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Hi, Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and What’s Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to the age of the operator. Mitch Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Beha
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I agree wholeheartedly!! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:57 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that the level of frustration for me is getting pretty hard to take some days. But actually, for the average sighted computer user, they tend to pick one browser they like and they can do whatever they want on it. There's no jumping around and spending an hour going between three browsers with one website trying to see what will work so you can buy that one thing you want, when a sighted person is done in ten minutes. There needs to be some continuity here seems to me. Jmho Judy & Libby -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:52 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work w
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I agree that the level of frustration for me is getting pretty hard to take some days. But actually, for the average sighted computer user, they tend to pick one browser they like and they can do whatever they want on it. There's no jumping around and spending an hour going between three browsers with one website trying to see what will work so you can buy that one thing you want, when a sighted person is done in ten minutes. There needs to be some continuity here seems to me. Jmho Judy & Libby -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:52 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an ob
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Personally, I feel that chrome works way better with Jaws as of now. On 2/23/2018 1:42 PM, Karen Schrade wrote: I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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It is pretty snappy. I was using it earlier today. Things were going great until I tried to get to a page by manually editing a url. Then, for some reason, even though everything was up on the screen, JAWS couldn't find anything. Even the links list, which I hardly ever use, brought up nothing to click on. Oh wellnothing's perfect. Using Chrome is a pretty cool, and fast, experience. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: February 23, 2018 6:45 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser Lol, I prefer Chrome. It's snappier than version 52 of Firefox and the newer versions like 58 don't work with Jaws yet, although they do work with NVDA. There was a tutorial that Dave Moore recently posted about how to work with Chrome; and really, it works well with the newer versions of Jaws like 17 and up. - Original Message - From: "JM Casey" <crystallo...@ca.inter.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > HI. > > My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also > have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work > well, > but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has > gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The > Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably > find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both > on > your machine. Keep your options open. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Karen Schrade > Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to > switch > from IE11 to another browser... > Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a > smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, > some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Good evening, I'm brian Zolo here from Gahanna, Ohio. I'm having a senior moment as I'm just really getting into using firefox as I've been an internet explorer user for years but since internet explorer is going away and more sites are not supporting it, I've decided to switch. What's the keystroke to access your bookmarks? Thanks so much, have a great weekend! . -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening. The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be. But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing that's really making me nervous sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and things. *grins* -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility issues are cleared up. Andy - Original Message - From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems
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Lol, I prefer Chrome. It's snappier than version 52 of Firefox and the newer versions like 58 don't work with Jaws yet, although they do work with NVDA. There was a tutorial that Dave Moore recently posted about how to work with Chrome; and really, it works well with the newer versions of Jaws like 17 and up. - Original Message - From: "JM Casey" <crystallo...@ca.inter.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Answer: Voiceover on a Mac? Dave Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Adrian Spratt <adr...@adrianspratt.com> wrote: I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility issues are cleared up. Andy - Original Message - From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. > > Judy > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain > web > pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much > better with another. > > I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the > circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. > > The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. > > Pam > > > > From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf > of > JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > HI. > > My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also > have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work > well, > but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has > gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The > Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably > find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both > on > your machine. Keep your options open. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Karen Schrade > Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to > switch > from IE11 to another browser... > Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a > smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, > some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about thi
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I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even open. For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly through the entire website. This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not posting the address. The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new screenreader user. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility issues are cleared up. Andy - Original Message - From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. > > Judy > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain > web > pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much > better with another. > > I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the > circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. > > The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. > > Pam > > > > From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf > of > JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > HI. > > My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also > have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work > well, > but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has > gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The > Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably > find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both > on > your machine. Keep your options open. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Karen Schrade > Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser > > I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to > switch > from IE11 to another browser... > Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a > smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, > some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-user
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I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility issues are cleared up. Andy - Original Message - From: "Judy Jones" <sonshine...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. Judy -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain web pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much better with another. I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. Pam From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf of JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better. Judy -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain web pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much better with another. I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. Pam From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf of JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
I use either Chrome or IE 11. I liked Firefox well enough, but kept on crashing. I think Chrome is my favorite, but there are elements on certain sites that do not show up in Chrome that I can access with ie11, so I am currently using it pretty much. Judy -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of George Martinez Sr. Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:50 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser Hello Karen, I hear you. Last year when I was 70 I left IE-11 kicking & screaming due to necessity; while some bank sites stopped allowing me access the IRS and many related sites will not allow me to access without IE-11. So, I now use Chrome with no problems and keep IE-11 on my task bar for IRS related sites. There are some good tutorials around for Chrome but it is fairly straight forward. George A. Martinez, CPA O-602.368.8854 F-206.666.2589 C-602.368.5424 "I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to Andy Rooney -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Yes, same here, exactly. Well, I have Edge on this machine too, but to be honest I haven't even really opened it. NVDA's web support is fantastic. JAWS probably has better Office support. Since I don't have any more JAWS upgrades on my ILM, I'll very likely end up doing most web-browsing with nVDA in future unless that changes. It's fine. We have all these tools; the only thinking stopping us, is time. Granted it can take time to learn a new piece of software. Luckily the WWW was made to be kind of universal and most browsers have similar operating principles. And it's not like we haven't had forewarning. Sure, IE will continue to receive security updates until at least 2020 (2025 if we're going to be optimistic, even), but we all know the web itself is going to change a good deal before then, so there's more at stake than mere security. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: February 23, 2018 2:54 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain web pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much better with another. I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. Pam From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf of JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers. There are certain web pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much better with another. I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the circumstance. I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason. The more tools available, the better, in my opinion. Pam From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf of JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
Hello Karen, I hear you. Last year when I was 70 I left IE-11 kicking & screaming due to necessity; while some bank sites stopped allowing me access the IRS and many related sites will not allow me to access without IE-11. So, I now use Chrome with no problems and keep IE-11 on my task bar for IRS related sites. There are some good tutorials around for Chrome but it is fairly straight forward. George A. Martinez, CPA O-602.368.8854 F-206.666.2589 C-602.368.5424 "I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to Andy Rooney -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
HI. My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well, but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on your machine. Keep your options open. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Karen Schrade Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch from IE11 to another browser... Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but, some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
