Re: [lace] Miss Channer

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Could I congratulate David on yet another excellent piece of lace.


And may I also publicly acknowledge Julian's promptness and 
efficiency in posting all my photos. Miss Channer went to the framers 
this morning.


I can now tell you that she took 158 pairs of bobbins plus 14 pairs 
for gimps. I used some very beautiful black silk which was sent to me 
some years ago by Eva from Spain (about equal to a Pipers 2/20) and a 
rayon for the gimp.


I began the piece on Feb 12th and finished it on May 4th. There were 
some challenges, particularly around the half way mark when all the 
bobbins were on board. If I ever make her again I think I would make 
the sprays of tallies as raised tallies as on the original rather 
than as I have done them here. Other than that I'm fairly pleased 
with the result. She'll be mounted on a pale green board with bottle 
green surround and then a narrow wooden frame with some gilt highlights.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Miss Channer

[David C COLLYER]

At 02:11 AM 5/05/2009, Beth McCasland wrote:
All I  have to say is Wow!  David, did you sleep or eat at all in 
the past 3 months  That's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.


Thanks Beth - just the usual 4 hours a night LOL
David



Beth McCasland
in a very stormy New Orleans


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Re: [lace] Miss Channer

[David C COLLYER]

At 02:21 AM 5/05/2009, Diane Zierold wrote:

Congratulations - What a fantastic achievement.  Thanks for keeping us
appraised at the progress.

And how does one sew in "that" many ends?


You don't even attempt to - just cut them off.
David



Diane Z
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USA


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[lace] A weird angle in point ground

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
If anyone who knows something about the angles of point ground grids 
and has a copy of "Lace Express" 3/97, check out the pricking for the 
Floral Bucks hankie edging.


I'm working it now as I ponder my next project, and am finding 
something very peculiar about the angle of this grid. While it IS 
working OK, I suspect it's been computer generated and the angle is 
not what I'm used to. It really threw me for a while - much more so 
than I would have expected.


Opinions welcome
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] A weird angle in point ground

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Jenny,
I've worked that hanky pattern and  found the different approach to 
working a hanky edging fascinating. For those that haven't seen 
it  - it is worked top to bottom like a mat -  not around - starting 
at one corner and working diagonally across to the opposite corner - 
adding pairs on the outside and throwing out on the footside in the 
top half and the reverse of the lower half. The lovely thing is that 
there isn't a join at the end - just a few pairs to sew in!! I've 
played with the idea with a number of Australian Wildflowers as it 
solved my design problems getting motifs to work the way I wanted to!


I guess I didn't read the instructions and am working it in the usual 
way. In doing so, however, I'm finding heaps of occasions when I'm 
forced to use Elwyn Kenn's "Looper" technique. I'm halfway through 
turning the first corner and frankly am about to throw away the 
working diagram and just making it up myself. Might be forced to yet :)

Thanks
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Dillmont dating

[David C COLLYER]

At 03:47 AM 29/06/2009, Diana Smith wrote:
I know there is a way of dating the Encyclopedia of Needlework by 
Th.de Dillmont by the number printed inside the book.


I have a copy with the number 630 can anyone on arachne tell me the 
date this edition was published? An interesting addition is the name 
Winifred Ward, Art Needlework Depot, 11 Royal Arcade, Cardiff 
printed on the outer cover.


June 1930

David in Ballarat



Many thanks

Diana in Northamptonshire - where we're expecting thunder and 
lighting any moment now!!

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Re: [lace] Slides

[David C COLLYER]

Alex,


my previous Canon scanner worked beautifully with slides - it was 
less than $100 AUS a few years ago. It had a window in the lid where 
the light could shine through. Much easier than trying to build one 
of those mirror pyramids which had been suggested somewhere.

David in Ballarat



I am researching techniques for the next chapter in my Floral Bucks Book and
need to put some slides onto my computer so that I can see the techniques that
were used. As lacemakers you will know my requirements. I have a large
collection of lace slides and it will probably be worth buying the equipment
rather than having them professionally copied. Looking forward to your
answers.

Alex

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[lace] Framing - An idea that works

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Some time ago at an artists' market I saw a woman who was selling 
picture frames which she had made herself. She had actually cut 
crocheted edges from old doilies, glued them on to the picture frame 
and then painted them with a metallic gold paint. Those little 4" 
square frames were selling like hot cakes for around AUS$60.


Here in Ballarat, I have a woman who does all my framing and so I got 
her to make me a plain frame (about 4" square) in a silver wood. Then 
she recommended an acrylic paint by Matisse which she uses to touch 
up old frames. I have now made a small Toender edging slightly larger 
than the outer edge of the frame so that the scallops extend beyond 
it. I've glued it on and tomorrow shall paint it in gold. Actually,I 
made the lace first, so that I could give the framer the exact 
dimensions of the footside. The framer has cut the piece of glass for 
me as well as the backing in a sort of styrofoam, so that when I 
cover that backing in fabric it will simply wedge in firmly.


I will certainly be experimenting first on some old crocheted lace 
first. But will be using a small foam roller with the intention of 
merely highlighting the edges of the gimp. So far it's looking good.


Square and circular frames are so hard to come by as most as 
rectangular for photos.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] making a leaf tally

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Tess,
Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some
of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain
a process without visual aids.  The link to YouTube is: 
  I hope you find it useful.


Thanks for your video clip. I found it fascinating mainly because 
your tallies are the exact opposite of mine. I go under the outside 2 
and over the middle passive, which doesn't matter because the end 
result is the same.


I must tell you though, that I DO make perfect tallies using English 
midlands bobbins. I must get a friend round to video my method which 
is so different from yours. Apart from the over-under bit, I put pins 
in at 45 degrees to hold the tension on the 2 outside passives. Too 
hard to explain in words.


Thanks again
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] making a leaf tally

[David C COLLYER]

Agnes,
David,  would love to see a video of your method.


I have a friend who could video me. Will email him now
David



Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

David C COLLYER wrote:


I must tell you though, that I DO make perfect tallies using 
English midlands bobbins. I must get a friend round to video my 
method which is so different from yours. Apart from the over-under 
bit, I put pins in at 45 degrees to hold the tension on the 2 
outside passives. Too hard to explain in words.




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[lace] New Tally Video

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
It's now 6:00pm Friday here in Ballarat and my friend Mike KONTUR has 
just left. He recorded me making a leaf tally using midlands bobbins 
and will now edit it and then post it on Utube.


I shall let you know the link as soon as he's done it.
David

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[lace] My Tally Video in Utube

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Mike has very kindly edited the video of me making a tally in bobbin 
lace, and placed it on Utube for your edification. I look forward to 
your further comments

David in Ballarat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt9VyaG6CYk
 

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Re: [lace] Making tallies

[David C COLLYER]

At 04:10 AM 12/09/2009, Ruth Rocker wrote:

Hi all

I know I'm certainly enjoying watching these videos on YouTube. What 
I need help with isn't leaf tallies, it's the square ones. I have 
YET to make one and have it look right. What are the secrets?


Ruth,
if you use my method with the 2 side pins, square tallies are 
actually easier than leaf ones. It's all in the tension you apply to 
the 2 outside bobbins regardless of the technique you use though.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] David's leaves

[David C COLLYER]

At 04:01 AM 14/09/2009, Jean Nathan wrote:
David, you demonstrated the leaf on a clear pillow, but when you put 
the two pins in to help with tension, do you just stick them through 
the pricking regardless of what's there, or do you put them into 
holes that have already been pricked?


Jean,
As my prickings are always just on regular A4 paper covered in 
see-through Contact, I NEVER pre-prick.


However, you raise a good point which I should have mentioned. I make 
sure that those 2 pins do go into "future" pin holes on the pricking. 
Or alternatively, if possible, I put them right in the centre of a 
large area which will be whole or half stitch where there are no dots.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Chantilly - opinions?

[David C COLLYER]

At 01:23 PM 25/09/2009, Laurie Waters wrote:

Take a look at Ebay 290350765094
Handmade blonde Chantilly lace or not?


Laurie
Most of her pictures were neither clear enough nor closeup enough to 
be positive. If I was spending the amount of money people were 
bidding I'd certainly need to be sure.

David

I voted not, and got bawled out by the seller who says she has 20 
years experience and is well qualified to tell the difference - and 
I should invest some time in learning something about lace.

Opinions?
Thanks,
Laurie
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Re: [lace] Mystery tool

[David C COLLYER]

At 03:28 AM 30/09/2009, Su Carter wrote:

Shirley,

Oh look, there's one just like yours on ebay:  350183137862


Thanks Sue - I just bought it!!
Now there'll be 2 of them in Australia

David in Ballarat



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Re: [lace] Google Books expired copyrights

[David C COLLYER]

Brenda,

Surely once something is out of copyright it is out of copyright and
anyone can make as many copies as they wish without reference or
payment to anyone.  It's only works which are still within their
copyright time that copyright owners can sell or licence the rights to.


I'm fairly sure that with music copyright CAN be taken out again 
later. It may have happened to "The Pirates of Penzance" for example 
when it received a revival some 20 years ago.


So perhaps this can also happen with books.
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Chantilly question

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Sue,
If it were up to me, I'd go for attractiveness every time. Great minds.

David in Ballarat


I have a question for lacemakers with some knowledge of Chantilly.

I am trying to reconstruct an old pattern and have realised that I 
don't know the answer to a question I have. I am looking at areas of 
the lace which are enclosed with two gimps. They are in effect 
making a stem for the floral patterns to go off.


The lace that I am studying has been so stretched out of shape that 
I can't tell the answer from it.


In geometric Bucks, the pinholes would go on the pre-existing grid 
and it would be all straightforward. In floral Bucks they could be 
moved so that the design flowed well. I don't have enough background 
knowledge of Chantilly to know what should happen. Should I use the 
regular pinholes, or should I use ones placed to look more attractive?


You can tell which I would prefer to do, simply from the way I 
phrased the last sentence!!! However I would like to know which 
would be correct in Chantilly lace


Sue

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Re: [lace] Flowers and stiffner

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
whilst I haven't tried it myself, I recall hearing some years ago 
that a great stiffening agent is to make a saturated solution of 
polystyrene in turpentine.


You just take chunks of polystyrene from around your new TV or 
whatever and dissolve them in turpentine until no more will go in. 
Turps is magic on Polystyrene. I used to use a similar thing when I 
was teaching kids. Those were the days when meat from the supermarket 
came in those thin polystyrene trays. You simply draw on the back 
using a "real" smelly Texta pen. It slightly dissolves the 
polystyrene and then you can use your drawing to make prints from.


I know it sounds really aggressive, but maybe not. Has anyone here 
ever used it?

David in Ballarat

If you're going to use hairspray, Ulrike Loehr's technique of 
spraying it on to glossy  card (eg cereal box) and using a paint 
brush to apply it,


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Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[David C COLLYER]

At 01:36 PM 29/10/2009, bev walker wrote:

Could you work on 3 circular needles? Two hold an even number of stitches
each, a third needle is active until the next needle is empty, and that
becomes the active one - assuming you are working a continuous round.
However I think this would apply to back-and-forth as well.


Certainly would. Years ago when I did a lot of lace knitting I would 
sometimes have up to 5 needles on the go at once.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Glass Bobbins on ebay - Diane Miller?

[David C COLLYER]

At 07:49 PM 29/10/2009, Jean Nathan wrote:
There are some glass bobbins for sale on ebay described as "a boxed 
set of eight quality all glass bobbins".


Nice to look at but no good for silk. Even the best hitch tends to 
slip on glass in my experience

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Lace hankies on ebay

[David C COLLYER]

Diana,


Item number 250531072130 then click on See other items.


Interesting. Whilst this item is still there, there are now NO other items.
All seems a bit suss to me. Perhaps she bought a heap of them in 
either China, India or Sri Lanka???

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] upside down lace, dang cats

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Bev and other interested readers.

Maybe David will remind us of his tale of woe and the Chantilly project?


I've been shuddering as I read these emails. The horror of that 
moment of seeing the pillow upside down has never left me. Yes, that 
was a Chantilly bow tie - long since often worn at performances etc. 
There were nearly 300 bobbins. It took the rest of the day to sort 
them out, and I recall that only 14 threads broke. The unfortunate 
part was that most of them were side by side. It happened at a lace 
day in Melbourne and was caused by another lace maker!! Boy did she 
feel rotten - or at least I like to think I made her feel rotten LOL\


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Chantilly lace ruffs

[David C COLLYER]

The pictures arnt great, can anyone knowledgable about such things 
tell if the lace is genuine?


http://www.kambriel.com/chantillyruff.html


Looks like it could be genuine to me.
Shame about the lipstick!!!
David in Ballarat

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[lace] Ebay item ? Crochet??

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
check out this item on ebay which the seller describes as "big lot of 
vintage antique crochet"


160385479531

While the picture is not too closeup I think there might be some 
lovely laces here - 4 days to go, currently only AUS$9.95

David in Ballarat

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[lace] A Point Ground Question

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

I was working on a beautiful piece of Toender lace today (thank you 
Anne-Marie) and began to wonder whether what I was doing is peculiar 
to a particular type of Point Ground Lace.


It concerns that aspect when I take a pair out of a Honeycomb area 
into the Point Ground and then straight back in. I am now in the 
habit of ALWAYS using a Catch Pin in this situation. I do it now 
because I like the effect, but don't know whether I read it somewhere 
or what. I suspect it may have come from Ulrike LOHR's book on Chantilly.


Opinions please
David in Ballarat - still about 30C even after a thunder storm and 45 
minutes to midnight. Just sitting in - well very little really. You 
know me - any excuse.


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Re: [lace] A Point Ground Question

[David C COLLYER]

Thanks Jacquie. That makes perfect sense - and to think I just liked hte look!


LOL
David in Ballarat



If you don't do this stitch as a catch pin, the ground stitch with its
uncovered pin, will move sideways towards the gimp and compress the 
gimp against

the honeycomb stitches.  By doing the catch pin, the gimp has its own
space.

This is how I was taught it by Pat Read, and how I have always taught it to
others.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire


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Re: [lace] My lace

[David C COLLYER]

Thanks for waking us up Alice

What lace have you recently started.finishedmade progress 
ongave away.put in an exhibit..etc.


I'm currently making myself a new Bucks Point jabot to wear when I 
conduct a concert on April 24th. The jabot has a butterfly in the 
centre and is from a book called "Lace for Keeping" by Kathy CORBET (1988).


This is to be a "peace" concert called "Let We Forget" and all the 
pieces of beautiful music will be interspersed with previously 
unheard poems, letters and bits of diairies from WW1; WW2 and Vietnam.


David in Ballarat

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[lace] Rayon Thread

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

I think of rayon as being made from tree pulp, and though many fibers are
being refined to "micro" fibers, and bamboo is also a tree, fibers of refined
rayon compared to bamboo, are only close cousins in "hand."


I'm currently using a rayon thread which I found in my thread draw. I 
must have bought it over 10 years ago and it's working up 
beautifully. It's made by Isofil so I suspect is actually meant for 
machine embroidery. I reckon it's about equivalent to Madeira Tanne 50.


Now, apart from being labelled "Rayon", it also says it is "viscose"

So my question is: is this a natural fibre or not?
Thanks
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Re: Rayon Thread

[David C COLLYER]

At 03:11 AM 31/01/2010, Susan Reishus wrote:

"is this a natural fibre or not?"  David

Dear Susan,


many thanks for such a detailed explanation.

Now I have one more question related to rayon. Over the years I have 
used as gimpd, and still do, rayon threads from around the 1930s 
labelled "Wood Pulp Fibre". Surely they would have to be more 
"natural than todays products. They certainly seem to be in perfect 
condition and I've never had any trouble or weaknesses when I use them.


Apart from all that, much as I love the look, I really hate rayon 
men's shirts. You've only got to look at them and they need ironing!! 
And as for wearing them in the tropics where many are sold, well, 
again, one look and they're dripping with sweat.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Breaking threads / tensioning

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Sue.


Incidentally, I was taught when learning Bucks Point lace, that it 
wasn't necessary to tension the lace as one went, because the weight 
of the bobbins (spangled midlands) should provide enough tension 
with such fine thread. Rather one should keep the bobbins well 
spread apart and swing the bobbins from side to side as one worked, 
this action providing tension too.


Hm. I find it all depends on 2 elements: viz.
- the type of thread you are using  - cotton and linen need far more 
tensioning than silk
- how many CTTTs you do in a pass before pinning. I usually do 7 then 
pin, but with fine silks can easily go to 11.


Then after pinning I give the worker a tug and all line up nicely
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Breaking threads / tensioning

[David C COLLYER]

Above all lacemaking has to be enjoyable, so I stick with the slower 
but (for me) more enjoyable rhythm of working.


That's fine - each to their own. As I use photocopies with contact 
over them, I never find the need to "pre-prick" a pricking. But when 
doing a long line of CTTTs, I simply prick the next 7 holes and 
rarely miss one - unless perhaps I look up at the TV at the wrong time.


PS That last sentence was nearly the most embarrassing one I have 
ever sent to Arachne, as spellchecker got to my typing error in the 
word "lacemaking".


I was just thrilled to see someone else who makes the same kind of 
typos that I do (before I fix them up)

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Stiffness in neck from lacemaking/knitting

[David C COLLYER]

Liz,
My method of fixing it, (more or less) was to go and get single focal lenses
set at the distance I sit from my screen - arms length!
I have them sitting here in front of the computer when I leave, and they are
waiting for me when I next switch the machine on.


I do exactly the same thing, except I use the pair of reading glasses 
I got 2nd (about 10 years ago). They are single focus, unlike the 3 
levels I have now, and are ideal for the computer. So that's where they sit.


About 5 years ago, when I started to need glasses for the TV, I asked 
the optician of it was possible to make the focal length even a bit 
longer as that would be ideal for watching a conductor when playing 
piano. She did so an they are fabulous - up to about 15 feet!

David in Ballarat

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[lace] The Tudors - costumes

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Has anyone seen the new series called "The Tudors" tarring Jonathan 
Rhys-Meyers? I've been sitting through it for days now - enthralled.


The costumes are magnificent, and so far I've only noticed 2 big mistakes:-

- Thomas CRANMER's German wife had a lovely blouse of Battenberg Lace

- In one scene Jane SEYMOUR had a very beautiful Bedfordshire lace 
collar - far too early for that.


However, there have been some magnificent close-ups of gorgeous Reticella work.

David in Ballarat

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RE: [lace] The Tudors - costumes

[David C COLLYER]

I was lucky enough to get a couple of photos of Henry VIII and did notice
that the front of his costumes seemed to be decorated with gold bobbin lace


I recall from the early 70s that there was a fabulous small museum in 
Stratford-upon-Avon which had life size wax figures of Henry VIII and 
Elizabeth I in the windows. Somewhere I have slides of those 
costumes, but can't recall off-hand whether there was any lace thereon.


Anyone else know of this museum and if it's still there?
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Another "Lacemaking"? item on ebay

[David C COLLYER]

At 06:59 PM 31/03/2010, Jean Nathan wrote:

Anyone got any ideas on what this is?

http://tinyurl.com/yju5sb9

or ebay item number 350334113458


It's surely got to be a measuring guage of some kind, but I've no 
idea what. Never seen anything like it before.

David in Ballarat

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[lace] There must be a better way!!

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

There must be a better way! I am currently working on a piece of 
Chantilly which uses about 85 pairs - nowhere near as many as some 
I've done. However, this piece (p.98 in LOHR's "Schwartzarbiet" if 
you have it) has very large maple-like leaves with numerous veins, 
which require nearly all bobbins to be usable at any one pass.


Whilst I'm getting there and plodding on, I am just wondering whether 
there might be a better way that our collective heads can come up 
with. At present I find I am having to place bobbins on holders for 
every single pass and this is really slowing things down.


Any suggestions more than welcome.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] There must be a better way!!

[David C COLLYER]

At 03:29 AM 9/04/2010, Cherry Knobloch wrote:
Clay Blackwell's clever DH made a shelf that is fitted to the back 
part of her pillow, so she is able to set her bobbins on top, and 
under the shelf. Maybe an adaptation of this.


H - -- can't see that working in my case. I'm using a large 
horse-hair filled cookie-pillow which sits on a round foot stool 
between the TV and me, so it's easily swivelled.


I should have studied the pricking more thoroughly before I began the 
piece, and then I would have set it up on my large table-top desk, 
for which I thank dear Len Purcell every day I use it.

David in Ballarat

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[lace] Securing prickings

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Another questions for your wonderful combination of minds.

How do you secure your pricking to the pillow?

I ask this because when I am working on something like a square or 
hexagonal edging I try to use as few pins as possible. I can't stand 
the bobbins I am using catching on them.


However, if I'm not careful the pricking can easily develop a slight 
kink or buckle. So I am considering using a lot of pins to secure the 
pricking and then perhaps covering them with masking tape or gaffer tape.


Ideas welcome
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Securing prickings

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
I should have said when I first wrote this question, that my pricking 
are always photocopies or scans covered in Contact. As such, threads 
like these would not hold, or would tear the pricking.


Thanks
David in Ballarat


sew
long loops of thread into the pricking at strategic points (e.g. where you
would normally pin), and pin the loops tight 'way back from the pricking,
thus tethering the pricking in place. You will have cover cloths over the
areas (yes?) so that nothing will catch on the tethering threads.


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Re: [lace] Securing prickings

[David C COLLYER]

At 02:49 AM 10/04/2010, Sue Babbs wrote:
Ulrike Loehr (I've forgotten her married name) cuts her blue plastic 
film bigger than the pricking and uses that to secure the pricking 
to the pillow. I don't find that this works well if you have a piece 
on the pillow for a long time, but then you can pin through the film 
only, and this pin tends to press in below the level of the pricking


Now that's an idea I haven't tried, and it sounds like it might work for me.
Thanks
David

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Re: [lace] Securing prickings

[David C COLLYER]

Clay,
Ulrike Voelker also says .Instead, we should place a temporary 
pin off to the side, but toward you, so that the threads must come 
down in a straighter line before moving off to the side.


I have always done that. In fact I use a tall hat pin so that 7 or 8 
bobbin holders will still stay around it. I also worked out that this 
large pin should be at an angle of 45 degrees and about 1" (2.5cm) 
lower than the working area.


Personally I feel that the pricking would not buckle so much if it 
was a thin Manilla-type card, but as mine are always paper with 
Contact, this is often a problem. I feel it has something to do with 
large areas of point ground, rather than the areas of half or whole 
stitch, and may well be the angle of the pins in those areas.


David



Clay



On 4/9/2010 12:49 PM, Sue Babbs wrote:
Ulrike Loehr (I've forgotten her married name) cuts her blue 
plastic film bigger than the pricking and uses that to secure the 
pricking to the pillow. I don't find that this works well if you 
have a piece on the pillow for a long time, but then you can pin 
through the film only, and this pin tends to press in below the 
level of the pricking


Sue Babbs
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Re: [lace] Securing prickings

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Liz,


I fully understand what you are saying, but would not like to risk 
damage to one of the last pillows made with horse hair in Australia.

Thanks
David

I would like to share a method that I learned from Robin Lewis 
Wild.  It only works on a straw filled pillow and it does involve 
the sacrifice of some pins.  It also works best if the pins are 
long.  I have found that this method secures the pricking very 
firmly to the pillow and puts the pin heads so far in to the pillow 
that my threads never catch on them.  Let me see if I can describe it.


It requires two pins at each place you secure the pricking.  The 
first is pushed straight through the pricking and into the 
pillow.  Leave about half the pin sticking up out of the 
pillow.  Bend that end at a 90 degree angle (actually I usually bend 
the pin before I put it in the pillow).  So you now have a bent pin 
with half of it going through the pricking into the pillow and the 
upper half laying on top of the pillow.


The second pin is placed across the first pin at a 90 degree 
angle.  This pin will take a bite out of the pillow (be sure to 
catch the main part of the pillow and not just the covering), come 
up across the end of the bent pin and then go back into the pillow again.


This is probably a little hard to visualize.  I will be happy to try 
to take a picture of this if someone will talk me through how to get 
the photo into a place where everyone on arachne can see it.


Liz Redford
Raleigh, NC, USA
 David C COLLYER  wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> Another questions for your wonderful combination of minds.
>
> How do you secure your pricking to the pillow?

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[lace] Securing with larger plastic Contact

[David C COLLYER]

 I cut my sticky plastic covering about an inch or so wider than 
the pricking and place the pricking on the pillow, then lay the 
sticky plastic over the top of it, securing the pricking to the pillow.


I really like the sound of this idea. But surely if it's a larger 
piece of Bucks/Toender/Chantilly etc, with hundreds of pins, and 
which will possibly need to stay in place for a few months, don't you 
find that the outer edge of the plastic loses its stickiness and comes adrift?


I think I would still put a few pins through it at first - just in case.

Thanks
David in Ballarat

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RE: [lace] Securing prickings

[David C COLLYER]

At 05:08 PM 10/04/2010, pene piip wrote:

Ulrike Voelker also showed those of us attending one of her workshops
that you can also cut the contact that you place over the pricking with
an extra 2 to 3 inches around the edge & then stick the contact to the
pricking & the pillow & you don't need any pins.
I have a problem with that because what do you do when you take the
pricking off the pillow, the contact then sticks to anything underneath.
I suppose then you'd have to develop a filing system for your prickings.


Surely you'd just trim off the extra plastic once you've finished.
David in Ballarat

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[lace] Re: [lace-chat] gold plated pins!

[David C COLLYER]

The people who make many of the pins in the world have been looking for a
long time at the problem of brass pins tarnishing.


Vivienne,
it's a luxurious idea, but I find my brass pins, many of which are 
about 15 years old and used over and over, have not tarnished at all.


Perhaps it is the constant use which prevents this.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Re: [lace-chat] gold plated pins!

[David C COLLYER]

Clay
does it hold up?   And, the answer is clearly no.  Before I had 
finished one (fairly large) project, the gold plating was completely 
worn away, and I was left with a needle that was indistinguishable 
from the others in my needle case.  Definitely not worth the money, 
in my opinion, especially when you consider that 250 pins wouldn't 
get you far in any project!!


That reminds me of the handles of my gold-plated embroidery scissors 
which are now as silver as the rest of the scissors.

David

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Re: [lace] gold plated pins!

[David C COLLYER]

I suggest
instead of fussing with the gold plating they focus on making good, strong,
VERY fine pins in a couple of lengths.


Here, here!
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] What's in your pillow?

[David C COLLYER]

Liz,
You mention having a horse hair pillow.  Does that mean the pillow 
is covered with a woven horse hair?  Or is it filled with horse 
hair?  Or perhaps both?  If it is filled with horse hair I wonder if 
the hair was cut up into small pieces before it was put into the 
pillow and does that result in a heavy or light pillow?


The pillow is stuffed with horse hair, and as I didn't make it, I've 
no idea whether it's cut up or not. Perhaps a Melbourne lace-maker 
could remind me of the name of the bloke who did make it. He lived 
down Frankston way - that's all I know. I bought it 2nd hand here in 
Ballarat, and yes, it's much heavier than my other cookie pillow 
which is sawdust filled.


I couldn't imagine holding it on my lap to make lace.  They must 
have used a stand.


I've never sat my pillow on my lap - always on a stand of coffee table.
David in Ballarat

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[lace] Lace in Vietnam

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
I arrived home yesterday after a month in Vietnam with the usual load 
of stories and adventures.


However, with regard to lace, I found no sign of bobbin lace, tatting 
or even crochet at all. In Saigon, I did see examples of Hardanger 
and Roman Cut Work - all of similar design and possibly from China.


Silk is a major industry in Vietnam and there are the most wonderful 
embroideries and fabrics to be purchased throughout the entire 
country at remarkably inexpensive rates. The main centre for the silk 
industry is the small town of Hoi An - about 30km south of Da Nang.


Whilst most of my Vietnamese language skills returned after a week or 
so there, I was having great difficulty trying to get folk to 
understand that I wanted to see where the silk fabric was actually 
made. Eventually I found a fabulous lesbian motor scooter rider who 
understood when I told her I wanted to see the silk fabric when it was white.


She then kindly took me about 30km inland from Hoi An on the back of 
her bike at 7:00 A.M. to the village of Duy Trinh - Duy Xuyen in 
Quang Nam Province. In a small house I met a couple of about 60yrs of 
age who had 2 antiquated looms running. Now while I can never 
remember which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that 
they were currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of 
cotton and the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk.


I asked if it would be possible to buy a spool of the fine white silk 
thread - not knowing whether she was under contract or how she 
obtained her thread, She assured me it was OK and so I got a large 
spool (about 12" [30cm] long and over 0.5cm thick) - more than enough 
for a lifetime or two, for the exorbitant price of US $2.50!!!


I shall write a story or two for lace-chat
Bye for now
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Storing bookmarks

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Miriam,


I will always treasure the beautiful one you gave me - must have been 
back in the late 90s I reckon!! You worked my name into it - remember?


David in Ballarat



Whenever I finish a larger project and have too much thread left on my
bobbins, I use the surplus up making a bookmark , some I give away, but some
I like so much that I prefer to keep. I have quite a collection by now,
including bookmarks which I received from Arachne exchanges.



Miriam

In a very hot Arad,

Israel

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[lace] Wonderful Description from 1860

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
I have almost finished reading a book which was a school prize 
awarded to my Grandfather, David McGARVIE, in 1902 when he was 10 
years old. I can tell you that the language is even quite difficult 
for an adult. I doubt it has ever been read. The book is called 
"Crown & Empire - Glimpses of Royal Life" by A.E. KNIGHT which is 
mainly centred around the life of King Edward VII and was published 
after Queen Victoria had died but prior to his coronation.


On Thursday October 18th1860 the then Prince of Wales and his wife 
were on a visit to Canada and the USA, and whilst in Boston attended 
a ball held in their honour. I thought you would enjoy the 
description of some of the other folk there:-


"As to the ladies, if their should happen to be reporters present who 
are sufficiently acquainted with the bewildering technology of the 
mantua-makers, we trust that they may receive ample justice. For 
ourselves, we have only a confused recollection of beautiful 
shoulders, not too much encumbered, of necks undisfigured with chains 
and jewels, of gauzy muslins, glistening stains, and exquisitely 
tinted silks - of floral head-dresses, deep laces, recherche 
nosegays, and all the array of nameless trifles that make up the 
attire of the reigning belle. A more uniformly set of elegant 
costumes among 1500 ladies we never saw. The ball, in fact, was 
representative of Boston; substantial and comfortable; rich and 
attractive in its rather quiet way; well conducted; marked by good 
breeding, easy manners, and with just enough of curiosity respecting 
the guest of the evening to give piquancy to what might otherwise 
have been a prosaic entertainment."


Oh where are those balls today???
Enjoy
David in Ballarat

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[lace] Mark's goodies

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,


I've just been looking at Mark's goodies and am now wondering. 
can someone please tell me if an American "sweatshirt" is the same as 
what we in Australia call a "windcheater". Looks like it to me. If 
so, I'll be getting one.

thanks
David in Ballarat


And here is my Magic thread shop from my website to see the other items I
have:

http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html


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[lace] Crazy Daisy Winder

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Earlier this week I received the book from Clay which I won in the 
raffle. It's fabulous and I shall shortly have a go at some of the 
designs - not Kitsch at all.


In the meantime, my crocheting sister Jenny has decided she would 
like a Winder as well. I am wondering whether anyone of you has one 
which they'd like to sell to me.


Better email me privately re this matter
David in Ballarat

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[lace] Crazy Daisy Winder reply

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
Arachne comes good again. My sister's Crazy Daisy Winder is winging 
its way to Australia.


Many thanks to the one of you who knows

David in Ballarat

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[lace] Accidents

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

I'm afraid there was a bit of language at the lace pillow today.

Have you ever pushed in a pin really hard, only to discover to your 
peril that it was upside down??? I did it this morning and am sure it 
scraped the bone.


Any other interesting accidents out there? Like cutting off a pair of 
bobbins you had thrown out, only to find they were supposed to be 
still attached!!!


David in Ballarat - typing on all 9 fingers.

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[lace] Unwritten rules

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
As I was making lace today I noticed myself doing a few things which 
I've discovered work for me but would not be mentioned in books necessarily.


Then I began to think, I bet most of us do such things. Now these 
could be the very short cuts, handy hints etc. which would be of 
great benefit to newer lace makers. So how about telling us all here. 
I know you might have to think hard and analyze what you do, but I'd 
love to hear about such innovations.


One of my favourites (which I noticed today) was that when I am 
taking a pair of bobbins from the point ground into a region of half 
or whole stitch, I do not give them any twists at all. By doing that 
I find that the filled-in area will then come right up to the edge of 
the gimp, and as such, I reckon it looks better. If I feel it 
necessary (rarely) I might add an extra twist on the ground side of the gimp.


I did also come across some really sticky problems when using the 
"looper" technique as well, but will try to remember to ask about 
them tomorrow.

Bed beckons at 0200hrs.

David in Ballarat

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[lace] Unwritten Rules - Spangling

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

As I spangles a few more pairs tonight I recalled that my method was 
not how I was taught. Over the years I've tried wire (eventually 
breaks); fishing line (same); and double threading through one way 
and back the other: all of which took ages to do and I hated it.


So a few years back I bought some of that beading thread from the 
embroidery shop: it's quite sturdy and has a slight waxy feel to it. 
Nowadays, I thread the beads in order on a single thickness of this 
thread; then the bobbin; finally I secure it with a reef knot and dab 
a tiny bit of Fray Stop (or Fray Check) on the knot. With constant 
use, none of these have broken yet.


Of course if you use Continental bobbins this does not concern you.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Accidents

[David C COLLYER]

Nancy

And the weaver pair threads broke--both of them, right at the point 
of the sewing.


I still have that little scrap of Honiton, and am concentrating on 
my Flanders!!


You're telling us that there was no way to fix it - h.
No chance of using a pin to undo a couple of passes then something 
like Hackle Pliers to tie tiny knots on the wrong side. I think I 
would have tried something like that after all the work involved.


David

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Re: [lace] accidents

[David C COLLYER]

Oh Claire
While sewing the flower on to the band trying to push the needle 
through a stiff piece of fabric I managed to force the eye of the 
needle completely inside the top of my finger right alongside the 
nail. Ow ow ow!


Nail beds are the pits for that sort of thing - and the pain seems to 
last for days.

Sorry
David

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Re: [lace] thread sizes and pricking

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Sue,

I have just found a nice little motif pattern I want to make for my 
Mum and the pattern quotes madeira tanne 50 (which is 39 wraps and 
is 2Z) in Brenda's book. I want to use my gutterman silk which says 
it is 27 wraps and 3Z).  Would it be sensible to print the pattern 
out slightly bigger for the silk and if so by how much.


This is the situation where I use my maths to advantage. Simply 
convert the 2 wrap numbers to a fraction and then multiply by 100/1 
to give you a percentage. As you know it's going to be bigger, put 
the bigger number on top. That gives 39/27 X 100/1 = 3900 divided by 
27 = 144%. Sounds too much but it should be correct.


In other words the pricking needs to be almost half as wide and high 
again as it is right now.


Look forward to hearing the result.
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Bobbin makers

[David C COLLYER]

I've really enjoyed this thread, with names I've not heard in a long 
time - if ever!!


Me too Clay. Let me add some of my favourites:-

- Mike BESTER of Sth Africa
- Graham JOHNSON of Ballarat, Australia (now deceased)
- Keith HUMPHRIES of Ballarat, Australia
- John BESWICK of Uriala, Sth Australia
- Trevor SEMMENS of Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

and there's one pair in particular I love which I got from an English 
maker, but whose name I never remember. I think you knew him Steph. 
These bobbins are very fine and have a slim hour-glass shape.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] bobbin makers

[David C COLLYER]

Roberta,




Malcolm Fielding (wood) ?


Although originally English, Malcolm has been living in Tasmania, 
Australia for many years now - down near Huonville, south of Hobart. 
I believe he is making bobbins again in competition with my 
brother-in-law, Trevor SEMMENS.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] RE: bobbin makers

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Helen,



David Collyer might know or remember - seems like there was (still is?) a
bloke who turned tulipwood bobbins at Sovereign Hill.  I remember going
there on a school trip and buying a bobbin there that had been turned by a
man in the woodworking 'shop' (he had a lathe obviously), and they were sold
I think in the general store.


Yes, that was Graham JOHNSON. I own his very first pair which I love; 
just pine wood but lovely barleycorn turning which he never did on 
bobbins again. Graham gave me that pair long before I owned any others.


Sadly Graham developed dementia of rapid onset and died about 4 years 
ago. It was only last Sunday that I was judging a Senior Star Search 
with his wife Laurel who remains a dear friend.


David in Ballarat

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[lace] bobbin makers in WA, USA

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
I have a very special pair of bobbins who I was talking to today as I 
worked and wondered who made them.


They are of glass and are filled with the volcanic dust from Mt St. 
Helens. I do know it was Stormy Lee van den HOUTEN who gave them to 
me so I assume they were made in Washington State.


Any suggestions?

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] another bobbin maker US

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends

Does anyone know what became of Maeve de Hetre (later Brown)? She 
once made me a beautiful pair of bobbins in porcelain which she hand 
painted superbly with Australian galahs (birds). Alas they are now both broken.


I last heard of Maeve in Florida about 5 years (or perhaps more) ago.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Aussie bobbin makers

[David C COLLYER]

At 01:42 PM 1/10/2010, Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:

Some more Aussie bobbin makers, - besides John  Beswick, are:-

Leon Young (our first one , I think!)
Max Meier
Neil Keats,
Bill Lafferty,
?? Gesaitis, (Judy's husband)
Malcolm Fielding


And let's never forget dear old Len Purcell, now deceased. I have 
quite a number of his bobbins and love them dearly.


Sorry I forgot to mention Max Meier earlier. His bobbins are stunning 
as well - so fine and slim with wonderful looong necks.


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[lace] Tying thread on bobbins

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

I only ever tie my gimps on to the bobbins. Like Bev I never skimp on 
thread and use it to anchor the bobbin (never dropped one yet in 
private or public)


I tie the gimps because they are usually shorter and also I tend to 
use that vintage Rayon (wood pulp fibre) thread which is very slippery.


On the rare occasion that a thread is down to its last few inches and 
I KNOW it can make it, I will tie a further few inches of any old 
thread on to it to give it the extra length.


Works for me
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[lace] First spangles

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

While I was making lace today I was wondering if anyone knew anything 
about WHEN spangles were first invented. I would assume they were 
invented in England, as they don't seem to appear on the Continent.


What exactly IS their history.

David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] UK Lace #140

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Pene,

I was a newsletter editor for the New England Lace Group for 6 
years, & I always made sure that names were included & spelt 
correctly in any article that I published. But whenever I receive 
the "Australian Lace" there are articles written where the 
lacemakers are only referred to by their first names.


I feel that I have to ask "Why do they do this?"  I can understand 
the need for privacy, but these lace magazines should be regarded as 
historical documents & therefore include as much information as 
possible. What do other lacemakers think?


I agree wholeheartedly.
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Lace jabot & cuffs

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Liz,



I am told that the jabot and cuffs made for the Lord Mayor of Melb has been
lost!   I made half of one round of the 2 rounds for each cuff - a torchon
pattern designed to represent various icons of Melbourne.  It was laid in a
beaut, lined,  wooden box - so how can it get lost?  Grrr!


Well, being the ever "patient" lacemakers that we are, we should 
simply start again with some stipulations this time perhaps.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Where have you stitched?

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

My first "public" display was in 1966 when I had to fill in time 
before a rehearsal of the Royal Melbourne Philharmonic Choir. I 
decided to take my life in my hands and sat crocheting opposite St. 
Paul's cathedral in Melbourne. Alas I did get taunted and eventually 
punched - wouldn't happen now of course.


I think most folk here are aware that I've made bobbin lace in both 
the cane fields of Fiji and naked in the rivers of the Northern 
Territory in Australia.


I'm off to Fiji again in a fortnight's time but think I'll only be 
knitting socks this time.


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Re: [lace] Silk threads

[David C COLLYER]

At 11:07 PM 19/11/2010, Clay Blackwell wrote:
I can only imagine the challenge of working tallies in 
silk!!  "better with practice" would definitely be applicable here!!


I've done a few thousand and they're no more difficult than in any 
other thread.


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[lace] Fabulous new tool

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
I have just returned from a shopping expedition (mainly for presents 
for Fiji next week) and I was at the electricians' shop. When I 
explained to the bloke there about how lace makers are using one of 
their tools for grasping short broken threads - many of you will know 
the one: that little black plastic with the button on the bottom that 
produces a fine copper hook from its top - he said: "I reckon I've 
got something that might be even better for you - and so it seems.


This tool works on the same principal and seemed to come in only 
black or orange heavy duty plastic. However, it's about 4" (8cm) long 
and would weigh about as much as a bobbin with spangles. The hook is 
a sturdier stainless steel. I've bought one (AUS $12) and when I get 
home again around Christmas time I'll let you all know what I think 
of it. I notice on the invoice he has called it an HCK Hook Probe 
black LE5351 (if that's any help). There were no instructions or info 
saying where it was made.


BTW he also showed me numerous other grasping tools that would also 
work in lace making. One I liked (but don't need) is a tiny set of 
alligator-type jaws, again with stainless steel gripping teeth (only AUS $5)


David in Ballarat.

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[lace] Lace Honours List

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
In our list of those who have received awards for lace making, we 
must also remember Miss Norma Benporath who was honoured with the 
Order of Australia not long before she died in 1998 in a Queensland 
nursing home.


Although born in New Zealand (in 1900), Norma spent most of her life 
in Melbourne and produced many wonderful Tatting books up until the 
early 1950s. It was only when I read a biography on her that I 
learned Norma was virtually blind!!!


Here's a brief bio from The Power House Museum in Sydney:-
Norma Benporath (1900-1998) was an expert in tatting techniques and 
taught and published extensively on the subject. These examples of 
her work and instruction present a detailed account of the 
development of the technique which achieved significant popularity 
for women in Australia from 1930-1960. In 1952 she published her 164 
page 'Every Woman's Guide to Tatting Illustrated' which was 
circulated in Australia and New Zealand. In conjunction with the 
Australian thread maker, Semco, Benporath developed special threads 
to suit the technique. Benporath also had a long association with the 
magazine 'Australian Home Beautiful' which requested articles for 
their glossy magazine. These were subsequently published in 'The 
Australian Home Beautiful Tatting Book' which progressed to a series. 
Benporath's crowning achievement was to be presented in 1998 with the 
Order of Australia for her 'service to the craft of tatting as a 
designer and through international publication of her patterns.'


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Re: [lace] Prickings

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Alice and other Friends,
Many thanks for this interesting email.

I too use paper prickings with plastic contact covering. However, I 
very rarely use the same one twice. I've always meant to make a 
folder for these finished prickings, but at present they are all in a 
drawer. I do make a point of writing on the back of each one: the 
date started and finished; the threads used; and if I remember, who it was for.


For an edging, the thought process needs to be a bit different.  The 
easy way to do a long edging is with a roller pillow.  In this case, 
there is a relatively short pattern around the roller that is used 
repeatedly for the length of the edging.


I am currently working on a long length of fairly wide Toender lace 
which is to be exhibited later this year in the Geelong annual scarf 
show. Now I hadn't used a roller pillow in years and had to resort to 
my very tatty 1903 Princess Pillow, which I've always hated. So far 
it's doing the job well (about 3" completed in 2 days). But I can 
foresee a problem. The repeat of the pricking itself was too long to 
wrap round the roller, so I have joined about 4 A4 pages length 
together and this is currently hanging out the back of the pillow. My 
question is: how can I guarantee that the pricking will remain in a 
straight line??? I can envisage it oh so slowly wandering over to one side.


Any helpful hints greatly appreciated.
David in Ballarat

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RE: [lace] Prickings

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Charlotte and other kind Helpers,



I tried using pins along the sides to keep the pricking in place and
as I recall that helped some. But basically I would have to lift the
pricking, lace and pins and move them back into position.


I couldn't stand to have to do that. There are 90 pairs of bobbins in 
this piece and I keep the pins in for at least 1". IF I did end up 
having to lift the entire work, I imagine I'd have to remove as many 
pins as possible and leave just 2 or 3 rows deep from the front. Is 
that correct?


Let's hope it doesn't come to this
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Re: [lace] Muslin v. Calico

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Jean,


Fortunately most of the terms used in lacemaking are the same. Think 
the only different I've found is in the size of crochet hooks. For 
sewings I'd use a 0.4mm or 0.6 mm, but wouldn't have the foggiest 
what size that would be US.


Not to mention my biggest bugbear: lacemaker vs lacer
LOL
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Re: [lace] Bobbins

[David C COLLYER]

Liz,

Brian, - I have an old bone bobbin with "Pharaoh"  engraved on it.  I have
always wondered the "what, why, who's" about it!!  It was one from my
family, - so Grandma's bobbin, or Great Grandmas, or..??


Surely it must be the name of a pet - cat or dog 
Or perhaps an ancient forebear - LOL
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Re: [lace] How do you feel about "Restored Bobbins?

[David C COLLYER]

Dera Clay and other interested Readers,


 it was fine to do anything to a bobbin to make it possible for you 
to use it, *as long as what you do can be undone*!  Therefore, you 
may re-wire an old bobbin, put new beads in the spangle, even 
replace missing wire and tinsel...  because all of this things can be undone.


That's my philosophy as well. I just adore using my many antique 
bobbins - both bone and wood. You see - and don't tell anyone this - 
but I talk to them all the time. I ask them questions and tell them 
stories. Sometimes I even find myself congratulating them when pairs 
come back together after not having sen each other for some weeks.


Inevitably I find it is the beads that will come adrift. I have no 
qualms at all about re-spangling the bobbin and try to put the beads 
in the same order they were, with a new piece of wire, beading thread 
or fishing line etc. Then it's straight back to work - I'll even 
ensure that particular bobbin becomes a worker because of its misdemeanor - LOL


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[lace] Mark's Sweatshirt

[David C COLLYER]

Dear friends,
just had to tell you this. Because we're having a relatively mild 
summer - floods and all that - I found myself today wearing the 
sweatshirt which I bought from our own Mark. The slogan across the 
front says "Tatting is not a lost art".


Well, a woman who knows me spotted this and said: "How could you 
possibly say that"? I dutifully explained that Tatting is far from 
lost. Suddenly she burst into fits of laughter. She'd misread the 
slogan and thought it said:


Tatting is not a loss Tart!!!

Thanks Mark

David in Ballarat

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RE: [lace] Lace from a painting

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Sr. Claire,

I don't see any copyright issues here at all.  You are taking inspiration from
the painting(s) and creating a totally different work or 'art'.
Do keep us up to date on your progress!  And good luck to you.


You do have to be careful here. The problem lies in the fact that 
with Aboriginal Culture it is the subject matter which is often 
sacred or belonging to that particular artist etc. In this case 
you're probably quite OK, but before going too far I would be 
emailing a relevant authority and ensuring there are no obstacles in the way.


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Re: [lace] Beads & bobbins

[David C COLLYER]

At 03:28 PM 25/01/2011, Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:

Brian asks :"  [hands up those who remember toasting their
bread on the fire using a long toasting fork!  Delicious!]


Yes. my hand is up too. I still always do this when I'm camping out 
bush, and just like Dad did - I make the long fork myself - usually 
from the same wire I use to suspend the billy.


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[lace] Gabrielle DeMestre POND

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends - especially those in Australia.

I am wondering whether anyone can tell me anything about the life of 
our former member - Gabrielle DeMestre Pond, who died in the late 90s 
at the age of 97yrs. Some of us are working at getting a bobbin made 
to commemorate her life and need to know her exact year of death in Melbourne.


I can't find her burial in any of the larger cemeteries online. Was 
she married? Where was she born etc. etc. Any children??? I have a 
feeling she was in fact unmarried, but am not certain.


Many thanks
David in Ballarat

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[lace] Gabrielle DeMestre POND

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends - especially those in Australia.

Further info found - thanks to Devon for your clue.

In Sep quarter of 1949 Mr. Thomas W. M. POND married Mrs. Gabrielle 
Demestre LENANTON, TODD nee SLADE in the District of Tonbridge, Kent, UK.


More to come
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[lace] Gabrielle DeMestre POND - history

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

Well, what a fascinating history I have found on our Gabrielle 
DeMestre POND. For your interest, despite being born in Kensington, 
London in 1903 & dying on 2000 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 
Gabrielle was a direct descendant of a very early Australian Convict 
as follows:-


- Mary HYDE (alias Sarah BLUNN) was convicted at the Warwickshire 
Assizes in 1796. She duly was transported to Sydney for a term of 7 
years and set up house with Captain John BLACK. They had 2 children 
before John was lost at sea aboard "The Fly" sometime after it left 
Calcutta in 1802. Mary then married one Simeon LORD - a famous 
Convict businessman.


- Their daughter Mary Ann BLACK b. 1801 in Sydney married a most 
interesting man named Jean Charles Prosper DeMESTRE (known in 
Australia as Prosper). His supposed father Andre had been a French 
soldier who had his head blown off by a cannon ball in Martinique on 
14 March 1794. Prosper was the natural son of Heleine Thomase COTEREL 
being born on 15 Aug 1789 at Lorient, France with no father listed.


- Prosper and Mary Ann had 10 children, the youngest being Annette 
Marland DeMESTRE b. 1841 in Sydney , d. 1936 Battle, Sussex, UK. She 
married George Penkivel SLADE in 1865 at Balmain, Sydney


- Their son George Penkivel SLADE m. 19 July 1898 to Edith Mary BEALE 
in Birmingham, UK


and they are the parents of Gabrielle DeMestre TODD; LENANTON; POND 
b. 1903 Kensington, London, UK


Google any of those early forebears and you'll be  reading for hours.
David in Ballarat

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[lace] History of Lace Knitting

[David C COLLYER]

Nathalie,



Also I am on the lookout for information on the history of lace
knitting. I think (though not sure!) that lace knitting started as a
way to copy "real" lace by ladies who could not make "proper" lace. Is
that correct? Does anyone know where I could find more info?


I'd be looking towards the Shetland Islands for a start.

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Re: [lace] Ebay item

[David C COLLYER]

At 03:50 AM 11/02/2011, Diana Smith wrote:

Does anyone have idea what this item is/was used for?

Listing number 290532958457


H - when I first saw the tortoise shell "bobbins" they looked 
like clothes pegs to me and it reminded me of a kit I have from the 
1930s which was a Silk Stocking Repair Kit. However, as there is no 
way of telling the size of this article I just can't say.


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Re: [lace] What???????? on ebay

[David C COLLYER]

At 07:39 PM 14/02/2011, Maureen Bromley wrote:

So what is it?


They got the wrong word - obviously meant to write "baton"

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[lace] Black silk for gimps - ebay

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

some of you may be interested in this item

380312265660

It's a bit dear for me and I've got quite a bit of black for gimps at present
enjoy
David

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Re: [lace] Weavers knot

[David C COLLYER]

Bev,



the weaver's knot, aka sheet
bend, is most useful for tying two threads of differing thickness.


Although there's been much talk over the years about the Weaver's 
Knot, I've never really bothered with it because I've always had my 
own knot which works. Yes, my knot was the Sheet Bend!!!


I remember learning this knot first as a boy of about 10yrs of age 
(back in the 50s) when my old farming grandfather taught it to me. I 
distinctly recall him saying that it was designed to tie 2 lengths of 
rope or string of unequal thickness together, and that it would not 
come undone. As always - he was right.


So I've been using the Weaver's Knot all along
thanks
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Re: [lace] Weavers knot

[David C COLLYER]

Brenda,


Pa taught me to make a loop (uncrossed) and then using the other 
thread I had to say: "the rabbit comes out of the hole, around behind 
the stump and then back down the hole again".

The things we remember!!

David


The Girl Guide way of making the sheet bend is to make a loop with 
the thicker rope, then up, round, under and through with the thinner 
one. There are two ways of making a weavers knot; one involves 
crossing the threads at the start, which I can't do, the other is to 
make a running slip knot with a loop (the way I start with crochet) 
and pass the end of the other thread through the loop and then pull 
on both ends of the loop thread to turn the knot.


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Re: [lace] Weavers knot

[David C COLLYER]

But Jane - a clove hitch bears absolutely no resemblance to a sheet bend!


A clove hitch is simply 2 loops placed one on top of the other (in 
opposite directions) and then slid over the top of a stick, pole or 
post. It has an entirely different function.


David in Ballarat

I think that's why I had so much trouble with it as a Brownie... 
didn't help that what we were told was a sheet bend was in fact a 
clove hitch, as I learned years later! Now, I use the weavers' knot 
method and have no problem with it at all!


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Re: [lace] Weavers knot

[David C COLLYER]

At 01:19 AM 22/02/2011, Karen M. Zammit Manduca wrote:
With me it was the snake that came out of the well!  But that is a 
bowline not a weaver's knot.


Quite right Karen. It was a bowline knot which took off the tip of 
grandfather's middle finger. But that's another story.


It should have been:
The rabbit came out of the hole; around the stump and then under the 
log (NOT back down the hole).


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Re: [lace] Re Erica in NZ

[David C COLLYER]

Liz

I have been in contact with a needlelacemaker in Christchurch, - who is OK,
luckily, - and although she does not know  Erica, she knows that she lives
in Hokitika on the West coast so she will not be affected like they are in
Christchurch.


Erica moved from Hokitika to Christchurch a couple of years ago, so I 
am very concerned about her and Ian.


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[lace] Princess Pillow on ebay

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,
I was alerted to this Princess Pillow for sale on ebay today. The 
bobbins are pretty awful - and so is the price. But it's worth a look


Item number:

160553976858

I've got 2 of these and am using one right now.
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Re: [lace] Princess Pillow on ebay

[David C COLLYER]

At 07:58 AM 4/03/2011, Clay Blackwell wrote:
This pillow has an interesting "story".  It was made in the USA 
around the turn of the 20th century


Mine is dated Nov 1903

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Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless

[David C COLLYER]

Jeri,

Other Nations:  Remember that the videos made for American  equipment will
not work.  Buy videos made for your equipment.  I  believe these are still
available to you.


These days in Australia our digital TVs or Set Top Boxes can cope 
with either PAL or NTSC so it's no big deal any more.


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[lace] Pinning Point Ground

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

I'm currently working on a narrow point ground edging where the 
actual point ground is only 7 pins diagonally. I've always 
religiously pinned all holes but today thought I'd try making things 
quicker by using less pins as I've heard others do.


I found that when I pinned holes 1,3,5 & 7 it did in fact alter the 
look of the ground giving tiny back to back pentagons instead of the 
usual hexagons, so I reverted to pinning all holes. Now I'm wondering 
what the effect would be if I only pinned holes 1 & 7 (both of which 
are catch pins by the way). Do you reckon it's worth a try and if so 
will I get hexagons or even mere rectangles?


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Re: [lace] Pinning Point Ground

[David C COLLYER]

Jacquie,
>If you don't pin at all you should get hexagons.  I have done this 
>on simple patterns, just pinning the catch pins at the foot edge and 
>outside gimps.  Or worked the row then pinned it.  Even that is 
>quicker than stitch, pin, stitch, pin.  But on anything complicated 
>I pin as I go.

Sorry, I omitted to say that I always work the whole row and THEN pin it.

I understand what you're saying about the threads not actually 
touching the pins and I agree. BUT I definitely did get those 
pentagons by pinning alternate holes after working the 7 CTTTs.

Perhaps I should also say here that last year when I worked a much 
wider (very wide) ground using only TCC, it was much quicker but the 
overall effect is quite different creating zig-zagging rows of shapes 
with some straight sides and a crescent shape on the opposing side. 
It was effective but not as neat as the CTTT.
David in Ballarat


>However,  when you look at made point ground with pins in,  the 
>threads aren't usually t

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