Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

  
  
  

729 combinations! It’s 3 to the power 6!I think we struggled with their 
high press, especially without Phillips in the team.Fortunately we held out!



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Anybody who thinks that Shackleton could be an effective replacement for 
Phillips has simply not been watching over the last two years. 
Yesterday's game showed perfectly (and worryingly) just how critical Phillips 
is to Bielsa's system. Shackleton is a busy little lad who tears about the 
pitch with great energy, but when he gets the ball all he is capable of is a 
simple 10 yard pass to a player directly in front of him.
It is an indication of how important that position is that Bielsa feels 
prepared to move our best defender there if Phillips is out. Yesterday, he 
panicked b/c the defence just couldn't cope without White, so he tried Dallas 
and then, in an incredible roll of the dice, a 20-yr-old who had cost us 2 
points (how we wish we had those points now!) the only other time he played.
But Struijk did really well.
I wonder if he will keep him in there for the Derby game.
I don't usually pay any attention to the moronic Sky commentators, but I have 
to say they called Barnsley perfectly yesterday. I was expecting a Luton/Stoke 
style sitting back, timewasting, breaking-up-play affairwho knew they 
are a vibrant pressing attacking team who just (thankfully) can't finish? Don't 
know about Bar-nsley..they were more like Bar-celona!
Apparently. there are 728 possible permutations of the results of these last 6 
games (2 for us, 2 for BF, 2 for WB), and of those, 727 will give us promotion. 
I'm still very worried though.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 11:26 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist 
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Defo should have played with Shack in midfield. Quit the fucking about with the 
defence. I mean which sort of lunatic starts with 3 at the back with Ayling as 
the central defender just because a central midfielder is not available. It’s 
incredible that somebody with  Bielsa’s ability could make such an obvious 
mistake.

I do worry about the remaining matches as Bielsa seems to want to try 
everything to compensate Phillip’s absence other than the total bleeding 
obvious which is to play a midfielder in midfield. 

Other things:

Pablo - disgusting. He didn’t even shake hands and encourage Shack on. That’s 
not leadership.

Strujik- thought he did ok for someone playing out of position.

Harrison and Costa - both poor. Do they intentionally cross to an opposition 
player ? Harrison must hit the first man 95% of the time.

Bamford - worked hard but fuck me He’s shit at. Times. I really rated Bamford 
when he first came to the club but he really should have 25 goals by now.

Dallas - hes never as effective playing in midfield- strange really.

That was for me the worst performance under Bielsa but it’s good to think we 
win and are now odds on for the PL. I can’t see us getting owt at Derby after 
that.





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The important bit of win ugly, is win.



We have been fantastic to watch in plenty of games this year and not 
necessarily got what we deserved.



Nick



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> Things I have learnt today

> 1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified

> 2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back

> 3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
> Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise

> 4. Bamford put a real shift in!

> 5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, 
> and THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime

> 6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton

> 7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start

> 8. White looked good

> 9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
> Champions

> 10. We just might do this!

> 

> On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Robert Heath]

Anybody who thinks that Shackleton could be an effective replacement for
Phillips has simply not been watching over the last two years.

Yesterday's game showed perfectly (and worryingly) just how critical
Phillips is to Bielsa's system. Shackleton is a busy little lad who tears
about the pitch with great energy, but when he gets the ball all he is
capable of is a simple 10 yard pass to a player directly in front of him.

It is an indication of how important that position is that Bielsa feels
prepared to move our best defender there if Phillips is out. Yesterday, he
panicked b/c the defence just couldn't cope without White, so he tried
Dallas and then, in an incredible roll of the dice, a 20-yr-old who had
cost us 2 points (how we wish we had those points now!) the only other time
he played.

But Struijk did really well.

I wonder if he will keep him in there for the Derby game.

I don't usually pay any attention to the moronic Sky commentators, but I
have to say they called Barnsley perfectly yesterday. I was expecting a
Luton/Stoke style sitting back, timewasting, breaking-up-play
affairwho knew they are a vibrant pressing attacking team who just
(thankfully) can't finish? Don't know about Bar-nsley..they were
more like Bar-celona!

Apparently. there are 728 possible permutations of the results of these
last 6 games (2 for us, 2 for BF, 2 for WB), and of those, 727 will give us
promotion. I'm still very worried though.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 11:26 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Defo should have played with Shack in midfield. Quit the fucking about
> with the defence. I mean which sort of lunatic starts with 3 at the back
> with Ayling as the central defender just because a central midfielder is
> not available. It’s incredible that somebody with  Bielsa’s ability could
> make such an obvious mistake.
> I do worry about the remaining matches as Bielsa seems to want to try
> everything to compensate Phillip’s absence other than the total bleeding
> obvious which is to play a midfielder in midfield.
> Other things:
> Pablo - disgusting. He didn’t even shake hands and encourage Shack on.
> That’s not leadership.
> Strujik- thought he did ok for someone playing out of position.
> Harrison and Costa - both poor. Do they intentionally cross to an
> opposition player ? Harrison must hit the first man 95% of the time.
> Bamford - worked hard but fuck me He’s shit at. Times. I really rated
> Bamford when he first came to the club but he really should have 25 goals
> by now.
> Dallas - hes never as effective playing in midfield- strange really.
> That was for me the worst performance under Bielsa but it’s good to think
> we win and are now odds on for the PL. I can’t see us getting owt at Derby
> after that.
>
>
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> On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 8:02 pm, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
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> The important bit of win ugly, is win.
>
> We have been fantastic to watch in plenty of games this year and not
> necessarily got what we deserved.
>
> Nick
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On 16 Jul 2020, at 19:19, Simon McNally via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
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> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:13 PM +0100, "John Lee via Leedslist" <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
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> > Things I have learnt today
> > 1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified
> > 2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back
> > 3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically.
> Fortunately Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise
> > 4. Bamford put a real shift in!
> > 5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big
> positive, and THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime
> > 6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been
> Shackleton
> > 7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the
> start
> > 8. White looked good
> > 9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go
> up as Champions
> > 10. We just might do this!
> >
> > On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

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Defo should have played with Shack in midfield. Quit the fucking about with the 
defence. I mean which sort of lunatic starts with 3 at the back with Ayling as 
the central defender just because a central midfielder is not available. It’s 
incredible that somebody with  Bielsa’s ability could make such an obvious 
mistake.
I do worry about the remaining matches as Bielsa seems to want to try 
everything to compensate Phillip’s absence other than the total bleeding 
obvious which is to play a midfielder in midfield. 
Other things:
Pablo - disgusting. He didn’t even shake hands and encourage Shack on. That’s 
not leadership.
Strujik- thought he did ok for someone playing out of position.
Harrison and Costa - both poor. Do they intentionally cross to an opposition 
player ? Harrison must hit the first man 95% of the time.
Bamford - worked hard but fuck me He’s shit at. Times. I really rated Bamford 
when he first came to the club but he really should have 25 goals by now.
Dallas - hes never as effective playing in midfield- strange really.
That was for me the worst performance under Bielsa but it’s good to think we 
win and are now odds on for the PL. I can’t see us getting owt at Derby after 
that.


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The important bit of win ugly, is win.

We have been fantastic to watch in plenty of games this year and not 
necessarily got what we deserved.

Nick

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> On 16 Jul 2020, at 19:19, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
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> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:13 PM +0100, "John Lee via Leedslist" 
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> Things I have learnt today
> 1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified
> 2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back
> 3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
> Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise
> 4. Bamford put a real shift in!
> 5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, 
> and THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime
> 6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton
> 7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start
> 8. White looked good
> 9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
> Champions
> 10. We just might do this!
> 
> On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!
> 
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

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The important bit of win ugly, is win.

We have been fantastic to watch in plenty of games this year and not 
necessarily got what we deserved.

Nick

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> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:13 PM +0100, "John Lee via Leedslist" 
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> Things I have learnt today
> 1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified
> 2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back
> 3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
> Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise
> 4. Bamford put a real shift in!
> 5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, 
> and THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime
> 6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton
> 7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start
> 8. White looked good
> 9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
> Champions
> 10. We just might do this!
> 
> On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!
> 
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

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On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:13 PM +0100, "John Lee via Leedslist" 
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Things I have learnt today
1. My nervousness and lack of confidence was entirely justified
2. Luke Ayling is not a centre-back
3. Bielsa was at least matched, if not out-thought tactically. Fortunately 
Barnsley didn’t have the quality to capitalise
4. Bamford put a real shift in!
5. Aside from being caught in possession once, Struijk was a big positive, and 
THAT defence-splitting pass - sublime
6. Major tactical error bringing Hernandez on - should have been Shackleton
7. We missed Phillips - we really should have played Shackleton from the start
8. White looked good
9. Bamford post-match interview - spot on - we want 6 points and to go up as 
Champions
10. We just might do this!

On we go - 1 more point and we’re back in the Premier League! MOT!


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[Ted]

Nick wrote:

> How does this work? I have read a bit about IPTV but sounds ominously
> complicated to set up?
>
> Nick
>
>
My lad recommended someone that he used from Facebook so I got mine through
him.

I just paid the person via PayPal, (I paid for a lifetime subscription, as
opposed to annual, as well as an annual fee for the iFollow)
I was then sent an Amazon Firestick via the post.  It had iPTV installed on
it.
The stick just plugs into a HDMI slot on your TV, with another lead to a
power socket.
To use it, using your TV remote you just choose the HDMI slot for your
"source".
Once your TV is on the Firestick's home page, you just need to set it up by
entering your WiFi password.
..and that's it really!
Your stick provider will have installed iPTV as an App, just open this and
the various viewing options will be laid out in a user friendly interface.
For example on mine I have "folders" for TV, Sport, Live Events (Sky Box
Office, BT Box Office etc), iFollow (EFL Games), Films (Inc. Sky Box Office
Films), etc.  You just navigate with your stick remote to whatever you want
to watch and click it to play!  it's not 100% perfect (sometimes it might
freeze for a second or two) but generally it's very good (as long as you
have decent Internet I suppose!)

There's some decent providers out there!  Some have LUTV on as well (mine
unfortunately doesn't!)  If you're on Facebook, there's a few good ones on
the "Leeds Media" facebook account.

Hope that makes some sort of sense!

Ted H
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[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Think Halme has gone already or loaned out. At least according to the Square 
Ball podcast!
Nick
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 04:34:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 On my jollies for 2 weeks so have to try and find way of watching Barnsley and 
Derby games - may try LUTV via foreign log in if I can get a signal in little 
Greek village
Barnsley will be a big test, they are traditionally more up for it than we are 
, hence some bad results there, and even more this time with Wilkes, Halme and 
Oduor all with big points to prove if they play. It all means we need to be at 
our best and unfortunately a lot of the players have been away from the Bielsa 
influence this past week
Derby will be another test but I think our players and fans will be well up for 
'revenge' even without the Lampard factor
Interesting to see if Nketiah's 2 goals for England youngsters will earn him a 
start alongside Bamford or will it be the same team which has won all 3 away 
games
Hopefully Jack Clarkes last minute winner will kick start his season 
Also Costa must be chomping at the bit for an actual first team league start
Dave
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[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 How does this work? I have read a bit about IPTV but sounds ominously 
complicated to set up?
Nick
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 07:34:07 AM EDT, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 I bought a "fully loaded" Amazon Firestick that had iPTV installed as well
as iFollow (The EFL's football league TV coverage that covers every EFL
game).
I recently went on holiday to Croatia and just plugged my FireStick into
the apartment's TV, entered the (local) WiFi password and it worked a treat!

We watched the Leeds/Swansea game followed by the Luke Cambbell fight on it.

I would recommend this option!  It's also great for watching Leeds' away
games now I can't seem to be able to get tickets anymore!  (Being a regular
for 50+ years, season ticket holder for 35 years and going to 5 or 6 away
games a season doesn't count as loyal apparently!!)  ;-)

Ted H

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:34, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> On my jollies for 2 weeks so have to try and find way of watching Barnsley
> and Derby games - may try LUTV via foreign log in if I can get a signal in
> little Greek village
> Barnsley will be a big test, they are traditionally more up for it than we
> are , hence some bad results there, and even more this time with Wilkes,
> Halme and Oduor all with big points to prove if they play. It all means we
> need to be at our best and unfortunately a lot of the players have been
> away from the Bielsa influence this past week
> Derby will be another test but I think our players and fans will be well
> up for 'revenge' even without the Lampard factor
> Interesting to see if Nketiah's 2 goals for England youngsters will earn
> him a start alongside Bamford or will it be the same team which has won all
> 3 away games
> Hopefully Jack Clarkes last minute winner will kick start his season
> Also Costa must be chomping at the bit for an actual first team league
> start
> Dave
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[Ted]

I bought a "fully loaded" Amazon Firestick that had iPTV installed as well
as iFollow (The EFL's football league TV coverage that covers every EFL
game).
I recently went on holiday to Croatia and just plugged my FireStick into
the apartment's TV, entered the (local) WiFi password and it worked a treat!

We watched the Leeds/Swansea game followed by the Luke Cambbell fight on it.

I would recommend this option!  It's also great for watching Leeds' away
games now I can't seem to be able to get tickets anymore!  (Being a regular
for 50+ years, season ticket holder for 35 years and going to 5 or 6 away
games a season doesn't count as loyal apparently!!)  ;-)

Ted H

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:34, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> On my jollies for 2 weeks so have to try and find way of watching Barnsley
> and Derby games - may try LUTV via foreign log in if I can get a signal in
> little Greek village
> Barnsley will be a big test, they are traditionally more up for it than we
> are , hence some bad results there, and even more this time with Wilkes,
> Halme and Oduor all with big points to prove if they play. It all means we
> need to be at our best and unfortunately a lot of the players have been
> away from the Bielsa influence this past week
> Derby will be another test but I think our players and fans will be well
> up for 'revenge' even without the Lampard factor
> Interesting to see if Nketiah's 2 goals for England youngsters will earn
> him a start alongside Bamford or will it be the same team which has won all
> 3 away games
> Hopefully Jack Clarkes last minute winner will kick start his season
> Also Costa must be chomping at the bit for an actual first team league
> start
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Robert Heath]

"in little Greek village
Barnsley "

Oh dear...I think you might have been mis-sold a holiday. Barnsley
is neither a little village nor Greek!

Still, it might be easier to watch the match than you feared.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:34 AM nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> On my jollies for 2 weeks so have to try and find way of watching Barnsley
> and Derby games - may try LUTV via foreign log in if I can get a signal in
> little Greek village
> Barnsley will be a big test, they are traditionally more up for it than we
> are , hence some bad results there, and even more this time with Wilkes,
> Halme and Oduor all with big points to prove if they play. It all means we
> need to be at our best and unfortunately a lot of the players have been
> away from the Bielsa influence this past week
> Derby will be another test but I think our players and fans will be well
> up for 'revenge' even without the Lampard factor
> Interesting to see if Nketiah's 2 goals for England youngsters will earn
> him a start alongside Bamford or will it be the same team which has won all
> 3 away games
> Hopefully Jack Clarkes last minute winner will kick start his season
> Also Costa must be chomping at the bit for an actual first team league
> start
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Naef]

Have a good holiday Dave, as you probably already know quite a few people on 
Facebook live stream the games. 

Richard

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Subject: [LU] Barnsley

On my jollies for 2 weeks so have to try and find way of watching Barnsley and 
Derby games - may try LUTV via foreign log in if I can get a signal in little 
Greek village Barnsley will be a big test, they are traditionally more up for 
it than we are , hence some bad results there, and even more this time with 
Wilkes, Halme and Oduor all with big points to prove if they play. It all means 
we need to be at our best and unfortunately a lot of the players have been away 
from the Bielsa influence this past week Derby will be another test but I think 
our players and fans will be well up for 'revenge' even without the Lampard 
factor Interesting to see if Nketiah's 2 goals for England youngsters will earn 
him a start alongside Bamford or will it be the same team which has won all 3 
away games Hopefully Jack Clarkes last minute winner will kick start his season 
Also Costa must be chomping at the bit for an actual first team league start 
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[{broken-address} John Lee]

>I’m running out of patience with Saiz though. He’s not a team player. He’s got 
>lots of skill but is terribly one footed , holds onto the ball too long and is 
>always >falling over, complaining and whining to the ref. He also doesn’t 
>track back and I particularly liked seeing BPF having a right go at him for 
>losing his man. I >heard on the radio on the way home that he had a bit of a 
>strop on the bench after being subbed. I can’t be doing with that kind of 
>thing - with a few minutes >left he should be cheering his teammates on to 
>victory not sulking about being taken off. After the six match ban for 
>spitting you’d have thought he’d be a bit >more contrite in his behaviour. I’d 
>not be devastated if we got rid in the summer.
Agree ccompletely Simon. He's a poor fit for a team which needs some fight and 
discipline. Yes, on his day he can be very effective, but he's greedy, 
petulant, one-footed and slow - I fully expect it'll be adios in the summer!
>Ekuban came on as a sub and gave a decent impression of someone who’d never 
>played football before. 

Caught some of the Villa game at the weekend, and wonder how many now wish we'd 
employed Bagpuss Junior as our manager? OK, ex Manc etc, but he does appear to 
know what he's doing? Too late now of course, unless Villa go up, lose 20 games 
straight, by which time the Heckingbottom scenario will have played out one way 
or the other. 
   
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 What I noticed is that after the own goal no one tried to talk to O'Connor, 
gee him up a bit. That really should have been Jansson. Was really disappointed 
with him for that.
Nick
On Sunday, April 22, 2018, 5:22:54 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
 Like most I had little enthusiasm for the game yesterday, a case of the team 
and the fans just going through the motions. Talking outside the pub in the 
sunshine the general feeling was that we were there because that is what we do. 
We have all renewed for next season but again, more because that is what we do 
(we all agreed that 1989 was our best ever season, so that is how long these 
lads and myself have been going) but we have no great faith that next season 
will be any better than the previous ones and that Heck is NOT the answer. We 
had another watch of the Soccer AM 'appointing Heckingbottonm - the most 
Yorkshire of all Yorkshire names - clip' and reckoned it was probably close to 
the truth !
Anyway we made our way to the ground with over 30,000 other people with no 
better way to spend a nice sunny Saturday. One of our lot had threatened to run 
on the pitch if Ekuban and Lassogga started - thankfully for all concerned they 
did not as Roofe got picked in his favourite position with Saiz supporting him.
We started Ok but the game was pretty much a stroll in the sun, two poor teams. 
We got an early sniff of a goal when Alioski nipped in and pinched the ball but 
his chip over the advancing keeper went just wide. 

Then from nowhere we got the opening goal (we had decided that the first goal 
would be all important and that if we got it we would win comfortably 3-0 or 
3-1) Pearce intercepted a wayward pass just inside their half and strode 
forward with purpose and when he got to the edge of the area he let fly with a 
daisy cutter that found its way into the corner of the net - a good finish and 
good positive play from the young lad. I thought he did well overall but is one 
of those full backs (like Ayling) that is better going forward than defending, 
but I think he will have a decent career even if he may end up as a wing back.
Instead of really taking it to them after the goal we sat back and let them 
control the game - a great save low down by BPF (our man of the match - again, 
which tells you all you need to know- our keeper mom at home v the 4th worst 
team in the Division!) Our defence all season has been unable to keep opponents 
at bay so what hope a back five of a young keeper playing his 10th (?) game, a 
young right back who has 20 games under his belt all as a centre back (and a 
poor one at that) and two other young 'uns at centre back and left back with 6 
games between them. What they needed then was for fan favourite and legendary 
cult hero , Pontus to really get to grips and sort them all out, telling them 
where to go etc. We got nothing of the sort - Pontus was quiet as a mouse and 
did nothing to help his inexperienced colleagues - he did head one ball away 
and follow it up with some sort of 'He-man roar and puff his chest out' OK for 
the crowd but no help to the players around him. 

We then did do the inevitable and concede an equaliser. When it came it had a 
big slice of luck - a cross into the box was missed by Pontus(?) and came at 
full pelt at O'Connor who tried to clear but put it into the roof of the net (I 
think it was Shaunessey who did this earlier in the season ?)
We then came close to going behind when a Barnsley player went past two or 
three players in the box and got in his shot but thankfully BPF was up to the 
task and saved well.
The second half was a carbon copy of the first in some ways - we started by 
playing well and getting into them, a lovely weighted ball with the outside of 
his boot by Pearce sent Roofe down the wing, he beat the full back for pace and 
got right to the dead ball line where he stopped,, looked up and put it on a 
plate for the onrushing Alioski who poked it home from a yard out. A classic 
footballing goal.
We hoped / expected that we would go on this time and put the game beyond them, 
but despite our wishes the players had other ideas and just sat back and let 
Barnsley put us under pressure. Once again, if further proof were needed, we 
cannot defend, and sure enough they soon had the ball in the back of our net, 
thankfully the flag was up for offside, but that was pure luck on our behalf 
not some great use of the offside trap. BPF was again called into action and 
then it appeared that one of theirs missed an open goal - not exactly sure what 
happened (will wait for TV) but on the face of it he missed from a yard out. We 
had our hearts in our mouths a bit later when one of theirs went down in the 
box under pressure from O'Connor (?) - the ref did us a favour and spotted that 
the lad had dived (assuming he did) and gave him a yellow card rather than a 
penalty.
Heck then subbed Saiz who was far from happy - I like it that a player is 

Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Scott1cairns1]

What a splendid report. Very much enjoyed and appreciated. Thanks a lot. 

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 22 Apr 2018, at 10:22, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Like most I had little enthusiasm for the game yesterday, a case of the team 
> and the fans just going through the motions. Talking outside the pub in the 
> sunshine the general feeling was that we were there because that is what we 
> do. We have all renewed for next season but again, more because that is what 
> we do (we all agreed that 1989 was our best ever season, so that is how long 
> these lads and myself have been going) but we have no great faith that next 
> season will be any better than the previous ones and that Heck is NOT the 
> answer. We had another watch of the Soccer AM 'appointing Heckingbottonm - 
> the most Yorkshire of all Yorkshire names - clip' and reckoned it was 
> probably close to the truth !
> Anyway we made our way to the ground with over 30,000 other people with no 
> better way to spend a nice sunny Saturday. One of our lot had threatened to 
> run on the pitch if Ekuban and Lassogga started - thankfully for all 
> concerned they did not as Roofe got picked in his favourite position with 
> Saiz supporting him.
> We started Ok but the game was pretty much a stroll in the sun, two poor 
> teams. We got an early sniff of a goal when Alioski nipped in and pinched the 
> ball but his chip over the advancing keeper went just wide. 
> 
> Then from nowhere we got the opening goal (we had decided that the first goal 
> would be all important and that if we got it we would win comfortably 3-0 or 
> 3-1) Pearce intercepted a wayward pass just inside their half and strode 
> forward with purpose and when he got to the edge of the area he let fly with 
> a daisy cutter that found its way into the corner of the net - a good finish 
> and good positive play from the young lad. I thought he did well overall but 
> is one of those full backs (like Ayling) that is better going forward than 
> defending, but I think he will have a decent career even if he may end up as 
> a wing back.
> Instead of really taking it to them after the goal we sat back and let them 
> control the game - a great save low down by BPF (our man of the match - 
> again, which tells you all you need to know- our keeper mom at home v the 4th 
> worst team in the Division!) Our defence all season has been unable to keep 
> opponents at bay so what hope a back five of a young keeper playing his 10th 
> (?) game, a young right back who has 20 games under his belt all as a centre 
> back (and a poor one at that) and two other young 'uns at centre back and 
> left back with 6 games between them. What they needed then was for fan 
> favourite and legendary cult hero , Pontus to really get to grips and sort 
> them all out, telling them where to go etc. We got nothing of the sort - 
> Pontus was quiet as a mouse and did nothing to help his inexperienced 
> colleagues - he did head one ball away and follow it up with some sort of 
> 'He-man roar and puff his chest out' OK for the crowd but no help to the 
> players around him. 
> 
> We then did do the inevitable and concede an equaliser. When it came it had a 
> big slice of luck - a cross into the box was missed by Pontus(?) and came at 
> full pelt at O'Connor who tried to clear but put it into the roof of the net 
> (I think it was Shaunessey who did this earlier in the season ?)
> We then came close to going behind when a Barnsley player went past two or 
> three players in the box and got in his shot but thankfully BPF was up to the 
> task and saved well.
> The second half was a carbon copy of the first in some ways - we started by 
> playing well and getting into them, a lovely weighted ball with the outside 
> of his boot by Pearce sent Roofe down the wing, he beat the full back for 
> pace and got right to the dead ball line where he stopped,, looked up and put 
> it on a plate for the onrushing Alioski who poked it home from a yard out. A 
> classic footballing goal.
> We hoped / expected that we would go on this time and put the game beyond 
> them, but despite our wishes the players had other ideas and just sat back 
> and let Barnsley put us under pressure. Once again, if further proof were 
> needed, we cannot defend, and sure enough they soon had the ball in the back 
> of our net, thankfully the flag was up for offside, but that was pure luck on 
> our behalf not some great use of the offside trap. BPF was again called into 
> action and then it appeared that one of theirs missed an open goal - not 
> exactly sure what happened (will wait for TV) but on the face of it he missed 
> from a yard out. We had our hearts in our mouths a bit later when one of 
> theirs went down in the box under pressure from O'Connor (?) - the ref did us 
> a favour and spotted that the lad had dived (assuming he did) and gave him a 
> yellow card rather than a penalty.
> Heck then subbed Saiz who was far from 

Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Simon McNally]

I thought we were better second half.
Altogether though you’d have to say it wasn’t the most awe inspiring 
performance. Yes we won, but it was closer than it should have been against a 
team that’s struggling in the bottom three.
I thought BPF was excellent again, I thought Pearce was good, Phillips and 
Vieira were good (Vieira looked more like his old self) and Roofe had a good 
game, as much as I hate to say it. Hernandez less impressive today, Jansson 
looked shaky and I’m still not convinced Pennington is even a footballer. 
Alioski scored and worked hard but sometimes his first touch is shocking and 
his decision making is too.
I’m running out of patience with Saiz though. He’s not a team player. He’s got 
lots of skill but is terribly one footed , holds onto the ball too long and is 
always falling over, complaining and whining to the ref. He also doesn’t track 
back and I particularly liked seeing BPF having a right go at him for losing 
his man. I heard on the radio on the way home that he had a bit of a strop on 
the bench after being subbed. I can’t be doing with that kind of thing - with a 
few minutes left he should be cheering his teammates on to victory not sulking 
about being taken off. After the six match ban for spitting you’d have thought 
he’d be a bit more contrite in his behaviour. I’d not be devastated if we got 
rid in the summer.
Ekuban came on as a sub and gave a decent impression of someone who’d never 
played football before. 

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Apr 2018, at 15:51, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lucky to be level - Barnsley better team.
> 
> Can't take much more of this. Pearce may have scored but he can't defend
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 15:39, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is rubbish - Barnsley deserve equaliser. We are not a team , relying on 
>> individuals.
>> 
>> Roofe on his own isn't working.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 12:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Despite the fact they are fighting for their lives in need every point, and 
>>> the bitterness towards us which always causes them to raise their game we 
>>> have the heck factor. 
>>> 
>>> I would stick £10 on Barnsley to win now
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 21 Apr 2018, at 11:00, Simon McNally  wrote:
 
 All I’m looking for is a bit of a performance.
 These are supposedly a group of players playing for their future. I’d like 
 to see them act like it.
 Ideally, I’d like a team that doesn’t have Roofe, O’Kane, Cooper (rumoured 
 to be fit) or Lasogga in it
 
 S
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:50, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice day and looking forward to a few drinks in the sun but to be honest 
> I've got little interest in the game. A no win game for Hecky unless we 
> bury them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

This is rubbish - Barnsley deserve equaliser. We are not a team , relying on 
individuals.

Roofe on his own isn't working.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Apr 2018, at 12:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Despite the fact they are fighting for their lives in need every point, and 
> the bitterness towards us which always causes them to raise their game we 
> have the heck factor. 
> 
> I would stick £10 on Barnsley to win now
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 11:00, Simon McNally  wrote:
>> 
>> All I’m looking for is a bit of a performance.
>> These are supposedly a group of players playing for their future. I’d like 
>> to see them act like it.
>> Ideally, I’d like a team that doesn’t have Roofe, O’Kane, Cooper (rumoured 
>> to be fit) or Lasogga in it
>> 
>> S
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:50, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice day and looking forward to a few drinks in the sun but to be honest 
>>> I've got little interest in the game. A no win game for Hecky unless we 
>>> bury them.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[Guy Bonello]

looks like 3-4-3 with Alioski and Pearce as wing-backs

On 21 April 2018 at 14:57, Simon McNally  wrote:

> I see we’ve made it into a least one top six this year :
>
> https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-most-
> depressing-teams-support-britain-right-now?page=0%2C1
>
> S
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 21 Apr 2018, at 12:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> >
> > Despite the fact they are fighting for their lives in need every point,
> and the bitterness towards us which always causes them to raise their game
> we have the heck factor.
> >
> > I would stick £10 on Barnsley to win now
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 21 Apr 2018, at 11:00, Simon McNally  wrote:
> >>
> >> All I’m looking for is a bit of a performance.
> >> These are supposedly a group of players playing for their future. I’d
> like to see them act like it.
> >> Ideally, I’d like a team that doesn’t have Roofe, O’Kane, Cooper
> (rumoured to be fit) or Lasogga in it
> >>
> >> S
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:50, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Nice day and looking forward to a few drinks in the sun but to be
> honest I've got little interest in the game. A no win game for Hecky unless
> we bury them.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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[Simon McNally]

I see we’ve made it into a least one top six this year :

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-most-depressing-teams-support-britain-right-now?page=0%2C1

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Apr 2018, at 12:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Despite the fact they are fighting for their lives in need every point, and 
> the bitterness towards us which always causes them to raise their game we 
> have the heck factor. 
> 
> I would stick £10 on Barnsley to win now
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 11:00, Simon McNally  wrote:
>> 
>> All I’m looking for is a bit of a performance.
>> These are supposedly a group of players playing for their future. I’d like 
>> to see them act like it.
>> Ideally, I’d like a team that doesn’t have Roofe, O’Kane, Cooper (rumoured 
>> to be fit) or Lasogga in it
>> 
>> S
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:50, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice day and looking forward to a few drinks in the sun but to be honest 
>>> I've got little interest in the game. A no win game for Hecky unless we 
>>> bury them.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Matt Anderson]

Despite the fact they are fighting for their lives in need every point, and the 
bitterness towards us which always causes them to raise their game we have the 
heck factor. 

I would stick £10 on Barnsley to win now

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Apr 2018, at 11:00, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> All I’m looking for is a bit of a performance.
> These are supposedly a group of players playing for their future. I’d like to 
> see them act like it.
> Ideally, I’d like a team that doesn’t have Roofe, O’Kane, Cooper (rumoured to 
> be fit) or Lasogga in it
> 
> S
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:50, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nice day and looking forward to a few drinks in the sun but to be honest 
>> I've got little interest in the game. A no win game for Hecky unless we bury 
>> them.
>> 
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Simon McNally]

All I’m looking for is a bit of a performance.
These are supposedly a group of players playing for their future. I’d like to 
see them act like it.
Ideally, I’d like a team that doesn’t have Roofe, O’Kane, Cooper (rumoured to 
be fit) or Lasogga in it

S

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> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:50, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice day and looking forward to a few drinks in the sun but to be honest I've 
> got little interest in the game. A no win game for Hecky unless we bury them.
> 
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[{broken-address}]

Nigel,


I think you have identified the absolute crux of our problem. We desperately 
need a Vinnie Jones/David Batty-like enforcer who consistently wins the ball 
and distributes it. Right now teams find it too easy to move from the edge of 
their penalty area to the edge of ours.


Cheers!


Sean



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From: Nigel Sykes <ni...@sykesonline.com>
To: 'Leeds List' <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Sent: Sat, Nov 25, 2017 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley

I think the main difference today was that, unlike most teams in this
division, Barnsley hadn't realised, or simply didn't have the personnel, to
out-muscle us in midfield.  Anybody who does that will beat us.  Simple as
that.  And unless we do something about that in January, we won't do more
than win the odd game against the really poor teams in this division.  

Still... always nice to win.  Especially at Oakwell (only the 3rd one in 30
years!)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Nigel Sykes]

I think the main difference today was that, unlike most teams in this
division, Barnsley hadn't realised, or simply didn't have the personnel, to
out-muscle us in midfield.  Anybody who does that will beat us.  Simple as
that.  And unless we do something about that in January, we won't do more
than win the odd game against the really poor teams in this division.  

Still... always nice to win.  Especially at Oakwell (only the 3rd one in 30
years!)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[nat...@sky.com]

I agree re Cooper he was very good today BUT we all know that ultimately he 
will let us down, he is just not good enough. Credit where it is due though, he 
made a few great blocks and tackles today
Equally the keeper did well today - he did spill one very soft shot but that 
apart he did what little he needed to do - again the problem is, the fans and 
defence do not have confidence in him - this leads to panic on occasion - 
picking him in front of Green as number one (despite the howler Green made in 
his only game for us this season) was a big mistake in my view, and the only 
one of our own making - Wood and Taylor both wanted away and nothing would make 
them stay, Bartley was not our player and again did not want to stay. The 
others who left Bridcutt, Doukara etc are no real loss
We are not far off being a decent team at this level - with Saiz , Alioski and 
the admittedly infurianting Hernandez we have some real attacking flair - 
somehow we need to get back to not conceeding goals - Felix pointed out in his 
end of the game interview that he has kept 8 (?) clean sheets for us, inc 6 in 
a row , so we can defend when we get it correct
Villa a big game, after that till the New Year all the teams we play are lower 
half of the table so are winnable - even if league position does not count for 
much in any game in this Division - no result is really 'surprising#
Dave

  From: David W <davidwool...@gmail.com>
 To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 25 November 2017, 15:14
 Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley
   
Surprising lack of comment on Cooper there. He was superb second half. Won 
evetything. I am also no fan Weidewald, but he punched well and decisively 
second half. For his style of play l, he executed it well. 

Good win. 

> On 25. Nov 2017, at 15:45, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> A good win and 6 pts from 3 games is goodI thought we hammered a very poor 
> team and should have scored more - Ekuban looked sharp all over the pitch 
> except in front of goalAlioski after a bad few games is showing class again 
> and with 4 in 4 (?) shows he can be a threat in this league
> The keeper still worries me and defence as a whole does not look that solid, 
> having said that Pontus is looking more like the defender we know he is and 
> Ayling is getting back into form despite getting a bit petulant today
> We were lucky that they were so poor - why they did not put high balls into 
> the box first half with the sun in the keepers eyes and his general inabilty 
> in the air
> I thougth Shuanessey was fine in midfield when he came on
> Grot needs to play for under 23s or go out on loan now Ekuban fit (or 
> certainly as soon as Lasogga and Ekuban are both fit)
> Given our poor run of defeats at Barnsley today was a good day
> Need to get sorted at ER now and build on Boro result with 3 of the next 4 at 
> home
> Villa a massive game - apart from Wolves who will run away with the league - 
> it is so very tight from 3rd to 12 or wherever. 
> The games keep coming and we need to keep getting points- stick with TC and 
> hope he, and the foreign players can improve
> Another poor ref - Ayling should not have been booked, 2 definite penalties, 
> and Barnes should have gone for the rugby tackle (and since he was not sent 
> off, for the one after that) - that decision did save Pontus from getting his 
> second yellow too
> 
> Finally Saiz - what a star - we HAVE to keep him and build everything around 
> him, he is special
> Dave
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[David W]

Surprising lack of comment on Cooper there. He was superb second half. Won 
evetything. I am also no fan Weidewald, but he punched well and decisively 
second half. For his style of play l, he executed it well. 

Good win. 

> On 25. Nov 2017, at 15:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> A good win and 6 pts from 3 games is goodI thought we hammered a very poor 
> team and should have scored more - Ekuban looked sharp all over the pitch 
> except in front of goalAlioski after a bad few games is showing class again 
> and with 4 in 4 (?) shows he can be a threat in this league
> The keeper still worries me and defence as a whole does not look that solid, 
> having said that Pontus is looking more like the defender we know he is and 
> Ayling is getting back into form despite getting a bit petulant today
> We were lucky that they were so poor - why they did not put high balls into 
> the box first half with the sun in the keepers eyes and his general inabilty 
> in the air
> I thougth Shuanessey was fine in midfield when he came on
> Grot needs to play for under 23s or go out on loan now Ekuban fit (or 
> certainly as soon as Lasogga and Ekuban are both fit)
> Given our poor run of defeats at Barnsley today was a good day
> Need to get sorted at ER now and build on Boro result with 3 of the next 4 at 
> home
> Villa a massive game - apart from Wolves who will run away with the league - 
> it is so very tight from 3rd to 12 or wherever. 
> The games keep coming and we need to keep getting points- stick with TC and 
> hope he, and the foreign players can improve
> Another poor ref - Ayling should not have been booked, 2 definite penalties, 
> and Barnes should have gone for the rugby tackle (and since he was not sent 
> off, for the one after that) - that decision did save Pontus from getting his 
> second yellow too
> 
> Finally Saiz - what a star - we HAVE to keep him and build everything around 
> him, he is special
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I think O'Shaugnessy won one header but apart from that he struggled. He looked 
knackered after 5 mins and was chasing shadows. 

  From: "nat...@sky.com" 
 To: Leeds List  
 Sent: Saturday, 25 November 2017, 14:46
 Subject: [LU] Barnsley
   
A good win and 6 pts from 3 games is goodI thought we hammered a very poor team 
and should have scored more - Ekuban looked sharp all over the pitch except in 
front of goalAlioski after a bad few games is showing class again and with 4 in 
4 (?) shows he can be a threat in this league
The keeper still worries me and defence as a whole does not look that solid, 
having said that Pontus is looking more like the defender we know he is and 
Ayling is getting back into form despite getting a bit petulant today
We were lucky that they were so poor - why they did not put high balls into the 
box first half with the sun in the keepers eyes and his general inabilty in the 
air
I thougth Shuanessey was fine in midfield when he came on
Grot needs to play for under 23s or go out on loan now Ekuban fit (or certainly 
as soon as Lasogga and Ekuban are both fit)
Given our poor run of defeats at Barnsley today was a good day
Need to get sorted at ER now and build on Boro result with 3 of the next 4 at 
home
Villa a massive game - apart from Wolves who will run away with the league - it 
is so very tight from 3rd to 12 or wherever. 
The games keep coming and we need to keep getting points- stick with TC and 
hope he, and the foreign players can improve
Another poor ref - Ayling should not have been booked, 2 definite penalties, 
and Barnes should have gone for the rugby tackle (and since he was not sent 
off, for the one after that) - that decision did save Pontus from getting his 
second yellow too

Finally Saiz - what a star - we HAVE to keep him and build everything around 
him, he is special
Dave
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Also to be fair our penalty was ludicrous. The guy's hand was at least a yard 
outside the box. So we didn't get one but certainly should never have got that 
one. 

  From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
 To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley
   
A fair summary Dave. I thought we could have pushed more first half when they 
looked shaky . We struggled to control the middle of the pitch which has been 
our strength in recent games.

Does anyone know why we're playing Wednesday and not Saturday?

Simon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2017, at 10:53, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok a bad day at the office, too many players not on their game and too many 
> in makeshift positions. Having said that they scored two great goals and 
> their first was a well worked training ground move (albeit we fell asleep for 
> it) , there were enough 'if onlys' to say that with a bit of luck we could 
> have got at least a point - the Bartley penalty that could have made it 2 0 
> and game over,or the Roofe chance right at the end, so it is not time to 
> panic. I do not think we deserved anything but we could easily have got a 
> point.
> 
> They are an OK team on a good run and it was, as always, their 'cup final' 
> and the players gave that little bit extra.
> We missed Pontus big time (albeit his absence is self inflicted) which would 
> have allowed Ayling to be right back rather than Coyle (who I thought was 
> very poor). We also missed Sacko, he is  a real outlet especially away from 
> home and give the opposition something different to worry about.
> 
> At 3 1 down I feared the worst, I was present for the 5 2 a few years back, 
> but even having an off day we stuck at it and pulled a goal back rather than 
> conceeding more so that is one positive
> 
> I am trying, these days, to be more like the players and management claim to 
> be, that is, looking at groups of games rather than getting too giddy or too 
> upset over an individual game. We have got a lot more points in the last 5 
> games than anyone could reasonably have expected.
> I think that Brighton and Newcastle are nailed on for the top two and are 
> proably uncatchable so it is all about staying in the top six and then going 
> into the play off games in good form with players fit and not suspended.
> As long as it is business as usual on Wednesday and we get three points 
> things are still on track
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[nat...@sky.com]

Due to FA cup - we are still in it !
Dave


  From: Jeremy Adams <jeremyadam...@hotmail.com>
 To: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>; "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2017, 12:42
 Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley
   
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Because Sheffield Saturday are in League 2. Coat on.From: Leedslist 
<leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Simon McNally 
<simon_mcna...@sky.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:37:41 AM
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley A fair summary Dave. I thought we could have pushed 
more first half when they looked shaky . We struggled to control the middle of 
the pitch which has been our strength in recent games.

Does anyone know why we're playing Wednesday and not Saturday?

Simon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2017, at 10:53, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok a bad day at the office, too many players not on their game and too many 
> in makeshift positions. Having said that they scored two great goals and 
> their first was a well worked training ground move (albeit we fell asleep for 
> it) , there were enough 'if onlys' to say that with a bit of luck we could 
> have got at least a point - the Bartley penalty that could have made it 2 0 
> and game over,or the Roofe chance right at the end, so it is not time to 
> panic. I do not think we deserved anything but we could easily have got a 
> point.
> 
> They are an OK team on a good run and it was, as always, their 'cup final' 
> and the players gave that little bit extra.
> We missed Pontus big time (albeit his absence is self inflicted) which would 
> have allowed Ayling to be right back rather than Coyle (who I thought was 
> very poor). We also missed Sacko, he is  a real outlet especially away from 
> home and give the opposition something different to worry about.
> 
> At 3 1 down I feared the worst, I was present for the 5 2 a few years back, 
> but even having an off day we stuck at it and pulled a goal back rather than 
> conceeding more so that is one positive
> 
> I am trying, these days, to be more like the players and management claim to 
> be, that is, looking at groups of games rather than getting too giddy or too 
> upset over an individual game. We have got a lot more points in the last 5 
> games than anyone could reasonably have expected.
> I think that Brighton and Newcastle are nailed on for the top two and are 
> proably uncatchable so it is all about staying in the top six and then going 
> into the play off games in good form with players fit and not suspended.
> As long as it is business as usual on Wednesday and we get three points 
> things are still on track
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Jeremy Adams]

Because Sheffield Saturday are in League 2. Coat on.


From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Simon McNally 
<simon_mcna...@sky.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:37:41 AM
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley

A fair summary Dave. I thought we could have pushed more first half when they 
looked shaky . We struggled to control the middle of the pitch which has been 
our strength in recent games.

Does anyone know why we're playing Wednesday and not Saturday?

Simon

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2017, at 10:53, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
>
> Ok a bad day at the office, too many players not on their game and too many 
> in makeshift positions. Having said that they scored two great goals and 
> their first was a well worked training ground move (albeit we fell asleep for 
> it) , there were enough 'if onlys' to say that with a bit of luck we could 
> have got at least a point - the Bartley penalty that could have made it 2 0 
> and game over,or the Roofe chance right at the end, so it is not time to 
> panic. I do not think we deserved anything but we could easily have got a 
> point.
>
> They are an OK team on a good run and it was, as always, their 'cup final' 
> and the players gave that little bit extra.
> We missed Pontus big time (albeit his absence is self inflicted) which would 
> have allowed Ayling to be right back rather than Coyle (who I thought was 
> very poor). We also missed Sacko, he is  a real outlet especially away from 
> home and give the opposition something different to worry about.
>
> At 3 1 down I feared the worst, I was present for the 5 2 a few years back, 
> but even having an off day we stuck at it and pulled a goal back rather than 
> conceeding more so that is one positive
>
> I am trying, these days, to be more like the players and management claim to 
> be, that is, looking at groups of games rather than getting too giddy or too 
> upset over an individual game. We have got a lot more points in the last 5 
> games than anyone could reasonably have expected.
> I think that Brighton and Newcastle are nailed on for the top two and are 
> proably uncatchable so it is all about staying in the top six and then going 
> into the play off games in good form with players fit and not suspended.
> As long as it is business as usual on Wednesday and we get three points 
> things are still on track
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Simon McNally]

A fair summary Dave. I thought we could have pushed more first half when they 
looked shaky . We struggled to control the middle of the pitch which has been 
our strength in recent games.

Does anyone know why we're playing Wednesday and not Saturday?

Simon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jan 2017, at 10:53, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Ok a bad day at the office, too many players not on their game and too many 
> in makeshift positions. Having said that they scored two great goals and 
> their first was a well worked training ground move (albeit we fell asleep for 
> it) , there were enough 'if onlys' to say that with a bit of luck we could 
> have got at least a point - the Bartley penalty that could have made it 2 0 
> and game over,or the Roofe chance right at the end, so it is not time to 
> panic. I do not think we deserved anything but we could easily have got a 
> point.
> 
> They are an OK team on a good run and it was, as always, their 'cup final' 
> and the players gave that little bit extra.
> We missed Pontus big time (albeit his absence is self inflicted) which would 
> have allowed Ayling to be right back rather than Coyle (who I thought was 
> very poor). We also missed Sacko, he is  a real outlet especially away from 
> home and give the opposition something different to worry about.
> 
> At 3 1 down I feared the worst, I was present for the 5 2 a few years back, 
> but even having an off day we stuck at it and pulled a goal back rather than 
> conceeding more so that is one positive
> 
> I am trying, these days, to be more like the players and management claim to 
> be, that is, looking at groups of games rather than getting too giddy or too 
> upset over an individual game. We have got a lot more points in the last 5 
> games than anyone could reasonably have expected.
> I think that Brighton and Newcastle are nailed on for the top two and are 
> proably uncatchable so it is all about staying in the top six and then going 
> into the play off games in good form with players fit and not suspended.
> As long as it is business as usual on Wednesday and we get three points 
> things are still on track
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[Rob Heath]

Disappointing game, but hopefully only a blip.

The whole team were just a bit flatwe were all 5s and 6s I
would say. There weren't really any 4s or 3s, but equally no 7s or 8s.
Hernandes might have been a 4 but he went up to a 5 with his deadball
deliveries, and Bartley might just have been a 7, as I suppose Wood has to
be with 2 goals.

Anyway, the thing is...I think a top 2 finish is now out of the
question. So now the only thing that matters is to stay in the top
6.doesn't matter whether it is at 3 or at 6. So Derby beating
Reading, which I at first thought was a good thing, was actually a bad
thing. Derby, Barnsley, Fulham & NorwichI reckon those are the
4 clubs we need to keep ahead of.

We're 5 pts ahead of Derby, and 7 ahead of Barnsley.

Anybody know what is the avge number of pts needed to finish 6th over the
last 10 years or so?

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Graham Farr  wrote:

> Hard to believe this was same team that outclassed Derby.
> Bullied all night by a young team.
> No complaintsbest team won.
> Had a bad feeling about this one after the Wendies let us down big time
> last night.
> Forest Wed.and they won after just losing their best assetlike
> Barnsley.
> No easy gameshopefully this is a kick up the arse.
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[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

"I bet the “sprints” in training between him and Mowatt are a laugh…jesus. "

Classic !

Yes , for a young lad Philips is very pedestrian. 

> On 2 Oct 2016, at 14:33, Nick  wrote:
> 
> I bet the “sprints” in training between him and Mowatt are a laugh…jesus.
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[Nick]

My reflections fall somewhere between the two of you. I know what Rich means 
about Barnsley looking like a team, he’s right, but then again, how much damage 
did they cause? And that’s because of our defence (all 5 of them) who all had 
good games yesterday…I know we were under the cosh for the last 20 minutes, but 
I actually felt reasonably confident we could hold out...whereas if Wood had 
been half awake in the opening 20 minutes of the second half, we could have had 
three more than we finished with. 

And I’m with Dave on the generation of a sense of hope/optimism…yep, I’m 
looking forward to the next game. 

I’m reasonably happy with O’Kane’s contribution…stumped by the praise being 
heaped on Phillips…count the bad passes and stupid fouls...but yes, he is young 
and may well develop…I bet the “sprints” in training between him and Mowatt are 
a laugh…jesus. I think Bridcut is fit again and the others maintain their 
current form, then we will have a good midfield and a solid back 5 (still not 
sure about Green, but hey…)…that’s a pretty good basis for a team.

When we get Hernandez and Sacko the ball, things happen. Sacko needs to calm 
down and think about what he is doing…too much flash and not enough end product 
but if that can be channelled a little better he will be a threat. Which really 
is more than you can say for Dallas, who a 5 minute purple patch in the second 
half aside, did little going forward, although he did put a shift in covering 
Taylor.

Nick


> On 1 Oct 2016, at 20:15, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> 
> Wow - I think I must have watched a different game to Rich. Before I read his 
> report I was going to say that this was a continuation of the Ipswich game 
> but against better opposition and to suggest that anyone on here who had not 
> been to ER for a bit should get themselves down there because we are on the 
> brink of decent things.Yes, they were lively and were a good passing side who 
> were not afraid to play with the ball and run at us. but for my money we won 
> this deservedly and could have won much more convincingly.At half time (and 1 
> up) my mate actually put money on us winning 4 -0 (admittedly at 35 to 1 or 
> something) as a decent outside bet.Defensively we are a totally different 
> side to any we have seen for years and years. The 2 full backs both like to 
> get forward but are solid on the back foot too, Bartley is a real beast and 
> nothing gets past him , and as for Jansson he really is different class. My 
> only worry with him was the fact that he twice played football , going on one 
> mazy run and then back heeling it - we hoped that his early form was not 
> turning his head. No need to worry, he was a magnet for the ball in the air 
> (a la Cardiff) and put in some crunching tackles on the ground, The first 
> Pontus haircut on a young kid has been seen and his cult status was shown by 
> him having his own chant (Pontus Janssons magic, he wears a magic hat, and if 
> you throw a brick at him, he'll head the f*cker back") He stood strong 
> thoughout and made sure that, the goal apart, (an own goal by Taylor ?) they 
> did not create a single real chance or trouble Green.First half we all 
> thought that o'Kane was running it, nothing fancy but picking up all the 
> stray balls and giving it to a Leeds player. Phillips less so , first half, 
> but second half he was brilliant (and to date I am not a fan) - he was here, 
> there and everywhere and kept the ball. 
> The front 4 were not at their best but created chances and had the Barnsley 
> defence at sixes and sevens. Hernandez is a class apart, Sakho had them 
> running scared, Dallas worked his socks off and Wood, whilst not great in 
> front of goal ran them ragged.
> We should have scored more, Wood should have picked out O'Kane for a tap in, 
> should have done better with the one he blasted over, Dallas should have put 
> it on Woods head etc etc
> At 1-0 the team and crowd were all sure we would go on and win (and we did) 
> and when was the last time you could say that. The second, a lovely finish by 
> Hernandez, should have been the nail in the coffin but somehow a run down our 
> right and a cross into the box ended in them pulling one back, but we were 
> concerned rather than worried as we ran the clock down
> So to sum up , for my money, another great performance and one that sent all 
> the fans (bar Rich ) home happy as we go into the internatinal break
> Dave
> 
>  From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> 
> To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016, 19:19
> Subject: [LU] Barnsley
> 
> A win is a win and there's no doubt that we are playing with
> 
> A) more passion and determination than we've seen for a while
> 
> B) a bit of steel and know how at the back and we haven't seen that for a 
> very long while
> 
> Having said that I thought we are poor in the first half and I thought we 
> 

Re: [LU] Barnsley

[nat...@sky.com]

Wow - I think I must have watched a different game to Rich. Before I read his 
report I was going to say that this was a continuation of the Ipswich game but 
against better opposition and to suggest that anyone on here who had not been 
to ER for a bit should get themselves down there because we are on the brink of 
decent things.Yes, they were lively and were a good passing side who were not 
afraid to play with the ball and run at us. but for my money we won this 
deservedly and could have won much more convincingly.At half time (and 1 up) my 
mate actually put money on us winning 4 -0 (admittedly at 35 to 1 or something) 
as a decent outside bet.Defensively we are a totally different side to any we 
have seen for years and years. The 2 full backs both like to get forward but 
are solid on the back foot too, Bartley is a real beast and nothing gets past 
him , and as for Jansson he really is different class. My only worry with him 
was the fact that he twice played football , going on one mazy run and then 
back heeling it - we hoped that his early form was not turning his head. No 
need to worry, he was a magnet for the ball in the air (a la Cardiff) and put 
in some crunching tackles on the ground, The first Pontus haircut on a young 
kid has been seen and his cult status was shown by him having his own chant 
(Pontus Janssons magic, he wears a magic hat, and if you throw a brick at him, 
he'll head the f*cker back") He stood strong thoughout and made sure that, the 
goal apart, (an own goal by Taylor ?) they did not create a single real chance 
or trouble Green.First half we all thought that o'Kane was running it, nothing 
fancy but picking up all the stray balls and giving it to a Leeds player. 
Phillips less so , first half, but second half he was brilliant (and to date I 
am not a fan) - he was here, there and everywhere and kept the ball. 
The front 4 were not at their best but created chances and had the Barnsley 
defence at sixes and sevens. Hernandez is a class apart, Sakho had them running 
scared, Dallas worked his socks off and Wood, whilst not great in front of goal 
ran them ragged.
We should have scored more, Wood should have picked out O'Kane for a tap in, 
should have done better with the one he blasted over, Dallas should have put it 
on Woods head etc etc
At 1-0 the team and crowd were all sure we would go on and win (and we did) and 
when was the last time you could say that. The second, a lovely finish by 
Hernandez, should have been the nail in the coffin but somehow a run down our 
right and a cross into the box ended in them pulling one back, but we were 
concerned rather than worried as we ran the clock down
So to sum up , for my money, another great performance and one that sent all 
the fans (bar Rich ) home happy as we go into the internatinal break
Dave

  From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 

 To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
 Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016, 19:19
 Subject: [LU] Barnsley
   
A win is a win and there's no doubt that we are playing with

A) more passion and determination than we've seen for a while

B) a bit of steel and know how at the back and we haven't seen that for a very 
long while

Having said that I thought we are poor in the first half and I thought we were 
lucky to be 1 up at half time through a goal from a corner !!

The formation is a strange one with Chris Wood isolated up front, Sacko stood 
on the right touch line and Dallas doing all his best work covering for Taylor 
on the left. It needs someone to drive from midfield and O'Kane and Philips are 
to defensive minded to do that job so it's all down to Hernandes who lacks pace 
but has ability. If he is off his game then we're pretty much devoid of 
attacking options. In the first half Hernandes was off the pace.

The first half reminded me of the Huddersfield game in that we looked like a 
team of misfits whereas Barnsley looked like a team with a plan. Quick, pass 
and move football which seems easy but you only have to look at our attempts to 
play to see how hard it can be. Time after time we looked static and clueless 
in midfield with most moves resulting in the ball going back to Green. It was 
pretty terrible stuff and Kalvin Philips was playing pretty much facing his own 
goal for most of the first 45 mins. I don't think the Philips  and O'Kane is a 
strong enough partnership for me, Philips tries hard and gets stuck in whereas 
O'Kane seems very limited in both going forward and defending. I was 
disappointed with him today.

The passing at times was awful, simple 5-10 yard passes not hitting their 
target. Basics !

Up front Chris Wood worked hard but he's slow and his general play just lacks 
quality. He could have had a hat-trick today but you never felt he was going to 
score whereas Sacko has to be the most frustrating player to watch. There's 
rarely any end product to his play.

The best thing about today 

Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Matt Anderson]

Bermondsey and Surrey quays nearby. Direct to Wembley 

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> On 29 May 2016, at 18:03, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> Is there a tube station near Millwall now? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 29, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> Was a bit strange hull didn't fill it but suppose they have been spoiled by 
>> cup finals and "big games" over last few years 
>> 
>> To be fair to Barnsley, millwall fans have a 35 min tube ride to Wembley so 
>> you would expect them to get more and their end wasn't full 
>> 
>> Going to be a bit feisty round south east London tonight. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2016, at 17:24, Paul Cundell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it a 'thing' in the play offs that the club with the biggest
>>> representation in the stadium loses or does it just seem like it?
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 May 2016 at 17:01, Matt Anderson  wrote:
 Another Yorkshire Derby and another 2 cup finals for them. However seeing 
 the sad millwall fans and players it's worth it
 
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[Matt Anderson]

They just stab the ticket inspector and jump over the barriers 

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On 29 May 2016, at 19:17, Richard Naef  wrote:

>> 
>> To be fair to Barnsley, millwall fans have a 35 min tube ride to Wembley
> so
>> you would expect them to get more and their end wasn't full
>> 
>> Going to be a bit feisty round south east London tonight.
> 
> I think you'll find the complexities of using a ticket machine way beyond a
> Millwall fan
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[Richard Naef]

> 
> To be fair to Barnsley, millwall fans have a 35 min tube ride to Wembley
so
> you would expect them to get more and their end wasn't full
> 
> Going to be a bit feisty round south east London tonight.

I think you'll find the complexities of using a ticket machine way beyond a
Millwall fan

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[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Is there a tube station near Millwall now? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Was a bit strange hull didn't fill it but suppose they have been spoiled by 
> cup finals and "big games" over last few years 
> 
> To be fair to Barnsley, millwall fans have a 35 min tube ride to Wembley so 
> you would expect them to get more and their end wasn't full 
> 
> Going to be a bit feisty round south east London tonight. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 May 2016, at 17:24, Paul Cundell  wrote:
>> 
>> Is it a 'thing' in the play offs that the club with the biggest
>> representation in the stadium loses or does it just seem like it?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 May 2016 at 17:01, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>>> Another Yorkshire Derby and another 2 cup finals for them. However seeing 
>>> the sad millwall fans and players it's worth it
>>> 
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[Matt Anderson]

Was a bit strange hull didn't fill it but suppose they have been spoiled by cup 
finals and "big games" over last few years 

To be fair to Barnsley, millwall fans have a 35 min tube ride to Wembley so you 
would expect them to get more and their end wasn't full 

Going to be a bit feisty round south east London tonight. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 May 2016, at 17:24, Paul Cundell  wrote:
> 
> Is it a 'thing' in the play offs that the club with the biggest
> representation in the stadium loses or does it just seem like it?
> 
> 
>> On 29 May 2016 at 17:01, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> Another Yorkshire Derby and another 2 cup finals for them. However seeing 
>> the sad millwall fans and players it's worth it
>> 
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[Phill Shields]

   Good post as usual Dave. A very merry Xmas and happy new year to you
   and your family and all on the list.

   MOT

   On Dec 21, 2013 9:07 PM, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

   Well in my 40 years of watching Leeds I have seen some great matches
   and some wonderful performances and  I have had some cracking days out
   that will live with me forever (or until the Alzheimers kicks in) -
   today was NOT one of them, and I doubt if I will remember todays game
   by this time next week.
   On the way to the game I was really looking forward to it, I knew we
   were expecting a big crowd (in the event over 31k turned up) and for
   once (almost) I actually thought we would win, and I hoped that we
   would win comfortably. Instead it was all very flat, the crowd were
   very quiet and the players never did anything to get them going. Last
   home game we got a point and I came home still buzzing, today we got a
   point and I was worried about falling asleep on the train home.
   As with any game you can point to bits and think 'if only' and
   certainly there were 2 'if only' moments in the first half - both fell
   to Smith, the first he did well to control the ball and did a great
   turn but his shot was right at the keeper, the second was another Smith
   shot, that was so poorly hit it was almost a back pass. That apart ,
   the first half was poor and on a couple of occasions they had decent
   chances to take the lead.
   To be fair to Brian McD he had seen the same rubbish as the rest of us
   and he made 2 changes at half time. Unfortunately they did no work -
   Tonge who had looked decent in the first few games struggled to make an
   impact and Byram, once again, is not the same player who looked so good
   last season.
   We huffed and puffed and had most of the ball and mostly in their half
   but did very little with it. It just wasn't to be and yet another
   Yorkshire derby had us dragged down to the level of the opposition, an
   opposition today that were bottom of the league!
   I could not believe it when on the bus back to the station I found that
   we had moved up a place ! A strange league this one.
   So a really poor day BUT I have said all season that I would be happy
   with us spending the season in and around the play off spots, so I am
   delighted that we are ending the calendar year in 5th spot. More than
   that, the mood in and around ER is so much better than the last few
   seasons - I was sceptical about those fans who said they would be back
   once Bates had gone, but they have been pretty much true to their word.
   To get over 31k the week before Christmas for a Cat A game against
   opponents who brought less than a thousand would have been unthinkable
   in the last few years under Bates, and although 1,000 of these were
   freebies and another 1400 were kids under the fantastic new scheme it
   was a fantastic effort and shows, once again, the potential we have
   So, a bad day at the office but a decent first half to the season , so
   I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and lets hope for
   more good things to come
   Dave
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[nat...@sky.com]

I just wonder whether he is still injured, he has shown nothing this year, 
whatever position he has played and yet last season he really looked the 
business. I am sure he will come good. You could be right and all he needs is 
more game time to get his sharpness back - let's hope so
I am quite happy with the way things are at present - so much better than this 
time last year.Now it is all a case of the latest takeover going through and 
seeing what money we have, and spending it wisely. I am always amazed at how 
Leeds fans on waccoe etc want to look backwards instead of forwards. We had 
rumour after rumour about Smith coming back, then Bowyer, then Beckford etc, 
now it is all 'bring back Becchio' 'bring back Maxi' - to me they are the past, 
they have had their time as Leeds players and have gone - let them stay 'gone' 
irrespective of how well they did last time out.

I have faith in McDermott and I think if we back him with cash he will do the 
business  - he is here for the long term . talking of the 'long term' I was 
checking my 20 year season ticket last week and found that at the end of this 
season I will be half way through with another 10 seasons to go !!! Bargain of 
my life

Dave



 From: Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
To: nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com 
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Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013, 21:16
Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley
 

Dave , regarding Byram. He's hardly played and now being asked to play as a 
wing back, which he isn't. 

Should play I'm midfield. Too much talent not to play.

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 On 21 Dec 2013, at 21:07, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Well in my 40 years of watching Leeds I have seen some great matches and some 
 wonderful performances and  I have had some cracking days out that will live 
 with me forever (or until the Alzheimers kicks in) - today was NOT one of 
 them, and I doubt if I will remember todays game by this time next week.
 On the way to the game I was really looking forward to it, I knew we were 
 expecting a big crowd (in the event over 31k turned up) and for once (almost) 
 I actually thought we would win, and I hoped that we would win comfortably. 
 Instead it was all very flat, the crowd were very quiet and the players never 
 did anything to get them going. Last home game we got a point and I came home 
 still buzzing, today we got a point and I was worried about falling asleep on 
 the train home.
 As with any game you can point to bits and think 'if only' and certainly 
 there were 2 'if only' moments in the first half - both fell to Smith, the 
 first he did well to control the ball and did a great turn but his shot was 
 right at the keeper, the second was another Smith shot, that was so poorly 
 hit it was almost a back pass. That apart , the first half was poor and on a 
 couple of occasions they had decent chances to take the lead.
 To be fair to Brian McD he had seen the same rubbish as the rest of us and he 
 made 2 changes at half time. Unfortunately they did no work - Tonge who had 
 looked decent in the first few games struggled to make an impact and Byram, 
 once again, is not the same player who looked so good last season.
 We huffed and puffed and had most of the ball and mostly in their half but 
 did very little with it. It just wasn't to be and yet another Yorkshire derby 
 had us dragged down to the level of the opposition, an opposition today that 
 were bottom of the league!
 I could not believe it when on the bus back to the station I found that we 
 had moved up a place ! A strange league this one.
 So a really poor day BUT I have said all season that I would be happy with us 
 spending the season in and around the play off spots, so I am delighted that 
 we are ending the calendar year in 5th spot. More than that, the mood in and 
 around ER is so much better than the last few seasons - I was sceptical about 
 those fans who said they would be back once Bates had gone, but they have 
 been pretty much true to their word. To get over 31k the week before 
 Christmas for a Cat A game against opponents who brought less than a thousand 
 would have been unthinkable in the last few years under Bates, and although 
 1,000 of these were freebies and another 1400 were kids under the fantastic 
 new scheme it was a fantastic effort and shows, once again, the potential we 
 have
 
 So, a bad day at the office but a decent first half to the season , so I wish 
 you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and lets hope for more good 
 things to come
 
 Dave
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[Brendan Osborne]

Cheers Rich
Sounds like it was bloody awful!! 
Thanks for your reports throughout the year - enjoy your Chateauneuf-Du-Pape 
mate!
Happy Christmas

Ossie

 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:39:11 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Barnsley
 
 There’s nothing like a poor Leeds perfrormance to put you in a bad mood 
 pre-Christmas. I was looking forward to my bottle of Chateauneuf-Du-Pape 
 tonight after a great win over our bogey team Barnsley. What I actually feel 
 is completely pissed off with a performance that was so poor I really found 
 myself questioning the manager and a lot of the team. 
 
 How many managers do you know would play a 5-3-3 wing back system with Danny 
 fecking Pugh and Lee fecking Peltier as wing backs ? 
 
 First Peltier. Worse captain ever (even worse than Butler and Aizlewood) and 
 now is being reinvented as some sort of rampaging wing back. He’s so limited 
 in his play its untrue and when it comes to defending he’s not right good at 
 that either. Waste of space. 
 
 Second Pugh. I really have to question the sanity of a manager who not only 
 pick him in a team pushing for promotion but actually play him as a wing 
 back. The guy can’t defend, has no pace and no skill. Granted he has a half 
 decent left foot but the amount of times he got into great positions and just 
 floated over an aimless cross was beyond frustration. He adds stability 
 apparently !? Give it a rest, he adds bugga all and BMD should hang his head 
 in shame if he thinks that this is the answer to our left sided crises. 
 
 The 5 at the back is so blatantly not working, nobody knows who is marking 
 who ? There are massive gaps all over the shop. Barnsley carved us apart in 
 the first 30 minutes, not through creative, inventive play but through the 
 massive holes and space that appeared on the left side of our defence. Jason 
 Pearce is playing as a left back, Tom Lees as a right back and our Lithuanian 
 (sorry still don’t know his name) is isolated as our only cenre back. The 
 amount of times he was left one on one at the back was criminal. I like the 
 look of the lad but in this system its all or nothing and he had to put in a 
 load of reckless challenges , most of which to his credit he got away with. 
 On other occasions he didn’t and Barnsley really should have taken the lead 
 on more than one occasion. 
 
 In midfield we look lightweight especially with 3 players. Mowatt, a player 
 who I think has done ok in the games I’ve seen, didn’t look right from the 
 start. He really looked all at sea and maybe he was injured ‘cos BMD dragged 
 him off at half-time. With Mowatt having an off day it lies with Murphy and 
 Austin to drag us along. That ain’t gonna happen is it ? 
 
 and up front, the slowest combination of strikers in the country - Macca and 
 Smith. What a partnership ? Yes they’ve scored goals but on this performance 
 the partnership has no future whatsoever. 
 
 Back to the first half  yes we had chances. Actually, I should say Matt 
 Smith had chances. Two very straight forward finishes. The first a Danny Pugh 
 ball (his best and only decent cross of the game) fell kindly and Smith 
 looked in control. He shot directly at the advancing keeper who made a good 
 save (according to people sat near me in the NE Upper). I’d say it was a bad 
 miss. 
 
 then he was put through again by a great intelligent ball from Macca, he was 
 weak and scraped the ball into the keeper’s arms. Today, Smith made some of 
 Becchio’s performances look sharp. He is flat footed, tall but actually 
 pretty shit in the air and in terms of ability he looks like a centre half. 
 Actually that’s being unkind to most centre halves. John Pearson is the 
 nearest comparison I can make, again emphasing my point that you can be shit 
 but still score goals in this league. It really means feck all. Becchio is 
 the ultimate example of this point. 
 
 In that first half, it has to be said that Barnsley were the better side. 
 They played football, they passed the ball, they had a bit of pace and skill 
 up front. We were hopeless and most of the time despite playing on paper what 
 looks like a progressive 5-3-3, what we actually did most of the time is punt 
 it long to the hapless Smith in the hope of a knock down. You have to ask 
 serious questions about that first half performance. We made Barnsley look 
 good and they are not. Their no 11 - a 4ft player with blonde hair looked 
 like Lionel Messi next to Austin, Murphy and Mowatt. We really lack the 
 basics at times. 
 
 We did have other chances. In fact the best chance should have been handed to 
 Macca. A decent bit of play from us, ended with Murphy only having to play a 
 simple one-two type ball in to Macca and he was in, Murphy pathetically over 
 cooked the pass and it went astray. Macca just looked at Murphy, arms in the 
 air and head shaking. I’m not surprised, it was a pass that anyone with any 
 level of 

Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard walker]

Yes it was bad. Maybe reading it back it's a bit too doom and gloom but it was 
such an opportunity and with 31,000 all Christmassed up I think we deserved a 
bit more.

Sent from my iPad

 On 21 Dec 2013, at 20:57, Brendan Osborne bosborn...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Cheers Rich
 
 Sounds like it was bloody awful!! 
 
 Thanks for your reports throughout the year - enjoy your Chateauneuf-Du-Pape 
 mate!
 
 Happy Christmas
 
 
 Ossie
 
  Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:39:11 +
  From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Subject: [LU] Barnsley
  
  There’s nothing like a poor Leeds perfrormance to put you in a bad mood 
  pre-Christmas. I was looking forward to my bottle of Chateauneuf-Du-Pape 
  tonight after a great win over our bogey team Barnsley. What I actually 
  feel is completely pissed off with a performance that was so poor I really 
  found myself questioning the manager and a lot of the team. 
  
  How many managers do you know would play a 5-3-3 wing back system with 
  Danny fecking Pugh and Lee fecking Peltier as wing backs ? 
  
  First Peltier. Worse captain ever (even worse than Butler and Aizlewood) 
  and now is being reinvented as some sort of rampaging wing back. He’s so 
  limited in his play its untrue and when it comes to defending he’s not 
  right good at that either. Waste of space. 
  
  Second Pugh. I really have to question the sanity of a manager who not only 
  pick him in a team pushing for promotion but actually play him as a wing 
  back. The guy can’t defend, has no pace and no skill. Granted he has a half 
  decent left foot but the amount of times he got into great positions and 
  just floated over an aimless cross was beyond frustration. He adds 
  stability apparently !? Give it a rest, he adds bugga all and BMD should 
  hang his head in shame if he thinks that this is the answer to our left 
  sided crises. 
  
  The 5 at the back is so blatantly not working, nobody knows who is marking 
  who ? There are massive gaps all over the shop. Barnsley carved us apart in 
  the first 30 minutes, not through creative, inventive play but through the 
  massive holes and space that appeared on the left side of our defence. 
  Jason Pearce is playing as a left back, Tom Lees as a right back and our 
  Lithuanian (sorry still don’t know his name) is isolated as our only cenre 
  back. The amount of times he was left one on one at the back was criminal. 
  I like the look of the lad but in this system its all or nothing and he had 
  to put in a load of reckless challenges , most of which to his credit he 
  got away with. On other occasions he didn’t and Barnsley really should have 
  taken the lead on more than one occasion. 
  
  In midfield we look lightweight especially with 3 players. Mowatt, a player 
  who I think has done ok in the games I’ve seen, didn’t look right from the 
  start. He really looked all at sea and maybe he was injured ‘cos BMD 
  dragged him off at half-time. With Mowatt having an off day it lies with 
  Murphy and Austin to drag us along. That ain’t gonna happen is it ? 
  
  and up front, the slowest combination of strikers in the country - Macca 
  and Smith. What a partnership ? Yes they’ve scored goals but on this 
  performance the partnership has no future whatsoever. 
  
  Back to the first half  yes we had chances. Actually, I should say Matt 
  Smith had chances. Two very straight forward finishes. The first a Danny 
  Pugh ball (his best and only decent cross of the game) fell kindly and 
  Smith looked in control. He shot directly at the advancing keeper who made 
  a good save (according to people sat near me in the NE Upper). I’d say it 
  was a bad miss. 
  
  then he was put through again by a great intelligent ball from Macca, he 
  was weak and scraped the ball into the keeper’s arms. Today, Smith made 
  some of Becchio’s performances look sharp. He is flat footed, tall but 
  actually pretty shit in the air and in terms of ability he looks like a 
  centre half. Actually that’s being unkind to most centre halves. John 
  Pearson is the nearest comparison I can make, again emphasing my point that 
  you can be shit but still score goals in this league. It really means feck 
  all. Becchio is the ultimate example of this point. 
  
  In that first half, it has to be said that Barnsley were the better side. 
  They played football, they passed the ball, they had a bit of pace and 
  skill up front. We were hopeless and most of the time despite playing on 
  paper what looks like a progressive 5-3-3, what we actually did most of the 
  time is punt it long to the hapless Smith in the hope of a knock down. You 
  have to ask serious questions about that first half performance. We made 
  Barnsley look good and they are not. Their no 11 - a 4ft player with blonde 
  hair looked like Lionel Messi next to Austin, Murphy and Mowatt. We really 
  lack the basics at times. 
  
  We did have other chances. In fact the best 

Re: [LU] Barnsley and Santa Becchio

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Phill - what Rich said - you need to read the report again - I was much ruder
about others than about Lucciano

Richard - yes, the goals maybe a short term problem, but the bigger problem (and
it reflects on Colin much more than Lucciano) is how having him in our team,
forces the team to play. We have to hoof it to him, or completely ignore him in
the build up and rely on him getting a finishing touch. I believe/would hope
that a forward line built from Ross McC, Somma, Diouf, Barkley - none of whom
are great in the air - would force us to play football, on the ground and into
feet - and I see no reason why that shouldn't be successful once the players
have got used to that system. Plus, it would be a darn sight better to watch
than the dross on Saturday.

I repeat for the hard of understanding, that in my opinion Becchio, wasn't the
worst player for Leeds on Saturday... in general methinks the case for the
defence doth protest too much...

Colin Out


On 13 January 2013 at 20:37 Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
wrote:
  Becchio - if some wants to pay money for him...fine, give em a couple of
 kits and a bag of balls to seal the deal...his major plus point was effort:
 if that is not there any more, what's the point.



 You were there and I wasn't but from the armchair he didn't sound like the
 worst on the field and maybe the point is the 19 goals that separate us from
 being bottom of the league? yes he was atrocious yesterday, but apart from
 kenny, which of the contracted players wasn't? Sounds like even Byram had a
 mare. if someone offers us £4m lets take it and get 3 x £1m players in,
 otheriwse where are the goals going to come from?

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Re: [LU] Barnsley and Santa Becchio

[Richard Naef]

 I believe/would hope that a forward line built from Ross McC, Somma, Diouf, 
 Barkley 

Sure that would be great, I love him to bits, but Somma is only just back and 
hasn't really impressed yet and Barkley is only on an initial 1 months' loan, 
so building a team around them seems a bit premature.  

I recall back in the heady days of Div 1 we played some decent football, not 
just lumping it forward and Becchio scored a fair few goals as well, so perhaps 
he could adapt again to a more pleasing style and stay in the team.  IMHO If we 
are going to get rid of him, we need a proper replacement, not just hope the 
current bunch of idiots will step up to the plate.  Talking of which, us losing 
out to Leicester on Chris Wood begins to look like an even worse error on our 
part than it did last month.  A Kiwi who can play football, who'd have thought 
it.



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Re: [LU] Barnsley and Santa Becchio

[Phill Shields]

Nick,

OK mate. I am just sick of Becchio getting lumped with the real culprits and 
even Warnock tried to have a snide go at him.

I have read a fair few reports and comments about Saturday's game and the 
majority are of the view that any forward of any calibre would struggle with 
the service being provided at the moment.

I'm not thick and I don't need to defend Becchio. His goal record does that. If 
Leeds sold him there would be uproar and you suggesting a forward line that 
does not include him his a nonsense.

Phill



n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:


Phill - what Rich said - you need to read the report again - I was much ruder
about others than about Lucciano

Richard - yes, the goals maybe a short term problem, but the bigger problem (and
it reflects on Colin much more than Lucciano) is how having him in our team,
forces the team to play. We have to hoof it to him, or completely ignore him in
the build up and rely on him getting a finishing touch. I believe/would hope
that a forward line built from Ross McC, Somma, Diouf, Barkley - none of whom
are great in the air - would force us to play football, on the ground and into
feet - and I see no reason why that shouldn't be successful once the players
have got used to that system. Plus, it would be a darn sight better to watch
than the dross on Saturday.

I repeat for the hard of understanding, that in my opinion Becchio, wasn't the
worst player for Leeds on Saturday... in general methinks the case for the
defence doth protest too much...

Colin Out


On 13 January 2013 at 20:37 Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
wrote:
  Becchio - if some wants to pay money for him...fine, give em a couple of
 kits and a bag of balls to seal the deal...his major plus point was effort:
 if that is not there any more, what's the point.



 You were there and I wasn't but from the armchair he didn't sound like the
 worst on the field and maybe the point is the 19 goals that separate us from
 being bottom of the league? yes he was atrocious yesterday, but apart from
 kenny, which of the contracted players wasn't? Sounds like even Byram had a
 mare. if someone offers us £4m lets take it and get 3 x £1m players in,
 otheriwse where are the goals going to come from?

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Phill Shields]

There is nothing of substance I would take issue with here Nick but I really am 
perplexed with you doing a Richard Walker and highlighting Becchio as a main 
culprit yesterday.

I don't think Wayne Rooney or RVP could do much better with the service they 
receive from the rest of the team. Just to quash one lie about yesterday, 
Becchio did not walk straight off the pitch without acknowledging the Leeds 
supporters. He waited until he got near the stand and then applauded us. As for 
him being booed, you would have to ask those who booed who it was aimed at but 
I would suggest it was the presence of Colin in the background as he approached 
the stand to applaud the fans.

Turning to our performance, I am  a Leeds lad and now live in Barnsley so did 
pre  post match drinking with my Barnsley mates. All agreed this is the worst 
Leeds side they have ever seen at Oak well and were shocked at quality of 
players that are now able to wear our kit. Harewood is not a popular figure at 
Oak well but yesterday he bossed our two centre halves. Tate made him look like 
Drogba.

The young loanee, Barkley, looked really good. In fact he stuck out like a sore 
thumb because his enthusiasm, endeavor and creativity could not be matched by 
any of his team mates.

The point has already been made about what system we employ. I haven't got a 
clue and neither have the players. What do they do in training all week? I 
can't remember us putting more than 3 passes together in their half during all 
of the game.

Playing our best striker on the left wing, best midfielder as a striker,? Poor 
Byram cost us both goals yesterday because they were playing 1/2s unchallenged 
on the edge of our box. It really is a circus.

I like Colin as a bloke but I don't trust him with any of our transfer money. 
The fans turned on him yesterday and the only surprise is why it has taken them 
so long.

Final comment about our asst manager. Not his fault I suppose that he is named 
after one of our greatest players but what value is he adding to things at the 
moment? I think Warnock making team changes from his sick bed says volumes 
about their relationship. Someone sat near me last week commented on him stood 
unanimated and looking totally uninterested during the FA cup game and shouted 
the same to him. Next minute he seems to be encouraging all and sundry to make 
bids for Byram  Becchio. What is that about?

Can't wait for renewing my season ticket.

Phill

n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:


Best footballer on the pitch at Oakwell? Norman Hunter...made a 2 minute
appearance at half time.


So, we were out played by the bottom team in the league...out played, outfought,
out thought, out manouevred - they had more corners (in fact I don't think we
had any), more shots, more shots on goal...more gumption, more passion, more
willingness to fight for the team.

We booed our team off at half time and at the final whistle.

amongst other things we sang:

we're shit, and we're sick of it

Warnock...its  time to go

Warnock out

Bates out...Leeds utd calypso...Bates out

there's only one Simon Grayson...


Yesterday was as bad a day at the office for Leeds Utd as I can remember. Not
because we got beaten by Barnsley (when do we not get beaten by them) but
because of the manner in which we got beaten, and how little it seemed to matter
to the players and manager. We were hoofing the ball into space after 10
minutes; almost everyone of the players was guilty of playing the most clueless
passes into touch, into a grateful red, or into a team-mate who was in a worse
position than the passer...and consequently lost the ball...plus some dreadful
hospital passes. We got beaten to every tackle in midfiled...Tonge is a
disgrace, quite what that bone idle fucker has done to earn a 2 and a half year
contract is beyond me.

What was wrong apart from the application and attitude? Well, there was the
shape...were we 3-4-3; 4-3-2-1; 3-4-1-2;? no-one out there seemed to
know...Byram was constantly being caught between R back and R midfield...he had
no cover or support, consequently our best player of the season had a rotten
day...all because his senior colleagues either couldn't be arsed or didn't know
what to do. Peltier...I've given him the benefit of the doubt over the season,
but yesterday was awful. We have at least two better L backs at the club. But
again, that is part of the problem...where was he supposed to be...part of a
back 3...? who knows...he didn't seem to. The central pair of Pearce and Tate,
are steady and solid, but then so are suet puddings. Neither of them is mobile
enough and to put the two of them together is suicide. I can't believe that if
we were playing 3 at the back, Tom Lees is the 4th best CHalf at the club...to
my eyes he is the 1st choice Chalf...probably alongside Tate.

Midfield were simply over-run...Tonge, Austin and Norris nowhere...I have quite
liked Norris this season, bringing a poor man's Howson energy and drive to
midfield, 

Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Walker]

 
 I'm not sure Nick was blaming it all on Becchio just merely pointing out that 
 he had a stinker and the only way to play with Becchio as the main striker is 
 hoof ball. Playing the ball to his feet only produces hilarious results and 
 exposes his inability to perform basic footballing skills. I think it's time 
 to move on don't you think. 


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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Phill Shields]

Richard,

The midfield and defence were shocking yesterday but Becchio gets slagged off?

I think we all know what you think about Becchio. There are a number of players 
I would shift before him. Whether you like it or not he is a recognised goal 
scorer at this level.

Phill

Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


 I'm not sure Nick was blaming it all on Becchio just merely pointing out that 
 he had a stinker and the only way to play with Becchio as the main striker is 
 hoof ball. Playing the ball to his feet only produces hilarious results and 
 exposes his inability to perform basic footballing skills. I think it's time 
 to move on don't you think.


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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Walker]

Yep, sounds like they were and Nick also pointed that out.



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On 13 Jan 2013, at 17:04, Phill Shields phillshie...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Richard,
 
 The midfield and defence were shocking yesterday but Becchio gets slagged off?
 
 I think we all know what you think about Becchio. There are a number of 
 players I would shift before him. Whether you like it or not he is a 
 recognised goal scorer at this level.
 
 Phill
 
 Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 I'm not sure Nick was blaming it all on Becchio just merely pointing out 
 that he had a stinker and the only way to play with Becchio as the main 
 striker is hoof ball. Playing the ball to his feet only produces hilarious 
 results and exposes his inability to perform basic footballing skills. I 
 think it's time to move on don't you think. 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Ted]

On 6 October 2012 19:36, Rich wrote:

 3 points, a clean sheet and a win against a bogey team, so have to be
 happy don't I ? Well, yes but in truth we were bloody awful, in fact I'd go
 as far to say that was the worse Leeds performance I've seen under Warnock,
 and that's saying something!

 Brown- 3. Thought he was just a passenger for large periods of the game.
 Offered nothing going forward. Looked like the old man he is today.


Great review Rich, just as I saw it except for Brown - strange isn't it how
people see the same display differently?  I thought it was one of his best
displays - he was one of the only players who got stuck in in the first
half (admittedly some of his challenges were a bit rash!)  Second half I
thought he played really well, tackling confidently and his passing was
accurate.   Other than that I agree fully with your views.  The crowd
seemed very flat, hope it improves when (if!!!) Bates finally fcks off.

If I'd been a Barnsley fan I'd have been pi33ed off that they got nothing
from the game, and having seen the penalty decision on The Football
League Show I'd be even more pi33ed off as it was definitely outside the
box!!

Two pens in two games - and both cheekily scored.  When was the last time
we got consecutive pens!!

In summary, a poor display, 3 points, day rounded off with a few pints of
Leeds Pale and Yorkshire Blonde, topped of with a few Vodkas.  A good day.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Walker]

That should have been a little dinker from Becchio  IPad doing its bit again

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Re: [LU] BARNSLEY

[seanscribe]

Assuming Lees is out, my team for tomorrow would be:

Keeper: Lonergan

Defence: Pugh (lb) O'Dea (ch) Kisnorbo (ch) Connelly (rb)

Midfield: White (lw) Varynen, Clayton and Sam (rw)

Forwards: Keogh, Nunez

Subs: McCarthy, Bromby, Becchio, McCormack and one other (do we have any first 
team squad midfielders left?).

Sean

 

 

 

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From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Peter Castlehouse osnab...@tpg.com.au
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Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 4:48 pm
Subject: [LU] BARNSLEY


So Snoddy  Howson out tomorrow - down to the bare bones. 



On early train so should be fun, stopping off at Wakey en route. Been to 
Oakwell 

so many times - pitch invasions, large open away end and police convting on the 

spot for the first time, ronnie Glavin's penalty, Peter Barnes 's winner, 
mither 

in Wakey, FA Cup defeat, 3-2 win in the pissing down rain and being 2-1 up with 

Wisey and Gus and throwing it away. Eventful games.



Big turnout tomorrow again - hopefully the team will do Leeds proud cos you 
know 

the fans will.



COME ON LEEDS ... no Becchio please.







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On 30 Dec 2011, at 14:13, Peter Castlehouse osnab...@tpg.com.au wrote:



 Anyone heard of Ian Murray, apparently he's a utility player, doesn't mind 

flying or travelling, but his agent wants shitload of money for him and 
himself.  

And he just wants to get back to Yorkshire.

 

 Wonder if he'll come on tomorrow as a sub?

 

 C'mon Batesey!  he's cheap, he's dirty, his wife's a little flirty...  Ian 

Murray!

 

 

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Walker]

Was going to write a long report slagging off Grayson, Becchio ,Sam (yes I got 
it wrong) then I heard about Gary Speed and nothing really mattered. As a 
youngster Speed excited me more than any other youngster I have seen. Very sad 
day. RIP.

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On 26 Nov 2011, at 20:46, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Well that was as bad as it gets - in some ways it was even worse than 
 Blackpool !Yes the ref was terrible and seemed against us, yes the first goal 
 was caused by a slip by Sam and then a mishit, yes the second was a 
 Rachubka-like save by McCarthy,yes the weather was wet windy and wild and so 
 hard to play football inBUT - we were awful, totally awfulFor me, of the 
 midfield and front 9 (inc subs) only Howson who was outstanding and Snoddy 
 earned their wages: the rest of them should be ashamed when they pick up 
 their pay packets / bank statements. Total lack of effort and skill. A lad 
 behind (admittedly for my benefit) shouted  come on Clayton you lazy Manc 
 bast*ard and I had to agree.Sam and Becchio, the two players who were 
 fighting for their places looked totally out of their depth and looked like 
 they did not want to be in the first team !It was a 3pm Saturday kick off - a 
 rarity these days - against local rivals and yet the atmosphere was so low key
 it was unbelievalbe , it really was like a library for the most part. The 
 idea of putting away fans in the West Stand so that Leeds have behind both 
 goals to boost the atmosphere, really is not working. I never heard the 
 Barnsley fans but at least they looked like they were getting behind their 
 team unlike both the Kop and South Stand who watched in almost complete 
 silence (with a few boos for Lloyd Sam)On the bus back to Leeds fans were 
 split over whether it was the fault of Grayson, Bates or the players. 
 Whichever it was a poor day out and I doubt if any Leeds fan enjoyed it at 
 all.Our goal for what it was worth was a lovely free kick by McCormack. Nunez 
 should have scored at the end to draw the game but we did not deserve 
 anything from today.Howson really gave it 100%  in a proper captains 
 performance, trying everything he could to get the rest of the team fired up 
 but to no avail. Snoddy looked dangerous throughout - if he had pace he 
 really would
 be a top player, but the rest were a total wash out.So to sum up, in case you 
 have not got it yet - we were dreadful, the game was dreadful and unless we 
 can up our game  and get Clayton playing properly again then our time in the 
 play off zone will be short lived
 Dave
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Tim Leslie]

Very well put Richy. Stunned. 

On 27 Nov 2011, at 18:33, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Was going to write a long report slagging off Grayson, Becchio ,Sam (yes I 
 got it wrong) then I heard about Gary Speed and nothing really mattered. As a 
 youngster Speed excited me more than any other youngster I have seen. Very 
 sad day. RIP.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 26 Nov 2011, at 20:46, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Well that was as bad as it gets - in some ways it was even worse than 
 Blackpool !Yes the ref was terrible and seemed against us, yes the first 
 goal was caused by a slip by Sam and then a mishit, yes the second was a 
 Rachubka-like save by McCarthy,yes the weather was wet windy and wild and so 
 hard to play football inBUT - we were awful, totally awfulFor me, of the 
 midfield and front 9 (inc subs) only Howson who was outstanding and Snoddy 
 earned their wages: the rest of them should be ashamed when they pick up 
 their pay packets / bank statements. Total lack of effort and skill. A lad 
 behind (admittedly for my benefit) shouted  come on Clayton you lazy Manc 
 bast*ard and I had to agree.Sam and Becchio, the two players who were 
 fighting for their places looked totally out of their depth and looked like 
 they did not want to be in the first team !It was a 3pm Saturday kick off - 
 a rarity these days - against local rivals and yet the atmosphere was so low 
 key
 it was unbelievalbe , it really was like a library for the most part. The 
 idea of putting away fans in the West Stand so that Leeds have behind both 
 goals to boost the atmosphere, really is not working. I never heard the 
 Barnsley fans but at least they looked like they were getting behind their 
 team unlike both the Kop and South Stand who watched in almost complete 
 silence (with a few boos for Lloyd Sam)On the bus back to Leeds fans were 
 split over whether it was the fault of Grayson, Bates or the players. 
 Whichever it was a poor day out and I doubt if any Leeds fan enjoyed it at 
 all.Our goal for what it was worth was a lovely free kick by McCormack. 
 Nunez should have scored at the end to draw the game but we did not deserve 
 anything from today.Howson really gave it 100%  in a proper captains 
 performance, trying everything he could to get the rest of the team fired up 
 but to no avail. Snoddy looked dangerous throughout - if he had pace he 
 really would
 be a top player, but the rest were a total wash out.So to sum up, in case 
 you have not got it yet - we were dreadful, the game was dreadful and unless 
 we can up our game  and get Clayton playing properly again then our time in 
 the play off zone will be short lived
 Dave
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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Walker]

Nicked from Waccoe but a great memory

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Jim Moran]

My favourite memory of Gary.

He was the player that got me into supporting (as in going to games) at Leeds.

Been crying most of the afternoon. Can't believe how sad this news is.
You accept that people die, even early, but to take his own life? I'm
numb.

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 Nicked from Waccoe but a great memory

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Tim Leslie]

quickly catching up the goal machine that is Luciano Becchio. 12 in 28
for Gradel and 15 in 32 for Becchio. Makes the strikers scoring rate look
a bit ordinary really

No Rich, it doesn't. Get your facts right please!

Asides from your deep hatred of the man and ignoring his
qualities/weaknesses for now, that is EXACTLY the scoring record you
expect for a striker at whatever level they are playing at. For example:

Alan Sherer - Played 559 Scored 283
Ian Rush- Played 601 Scored 254
Allan Clarke - Played 273 for Leeds - Scored 110
Steve Bull - Played 484 Scored 254
Lee Chapman (At Leeds) - Played 137 Scored 62
I could go on Richy, but I've a life to lead!! ;-)

A goal every other game is a good record at any level. I've played up
front and I can guarantee you every single striker worth his salt WANTS to
score every game.
They don't.
FACT.

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Richard Walker]

Tim, 

You're quoting career stats at the highest level. 

Becchio for Leeds:  52 in 138 - so it's nearer 1 in 3 than 1 in 2 and also this 
has been at lower levels. 


and if we're taking his career as a whole , before Leeds (according to Wiki) 
was 
38 goals in 129 , that's playing for lower league foreign clubs. Not exactly 
impressive is it ? 


What I'm saying is his goal record is ok but his general play is poor so my 
conclusion is we can have a striker whose goal ratio is much better and also 
offers a lot more to our game. I mean, take Somma, he has nearly scored as many 
this season and he's hardly been on the pitch. 


You can defend Beccio all you want but do you enjoy watching him play ? I find 
it painful to watch him. He needs replacing. 




- Original Message 
From: Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wed, 23 February, 2011 12:45:07
Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley

quickly catching up the goal machine that is Luciano Becchio. 12 in 28
for Gradel and 15 in 32 for Becchio. Makes the strikers scoring rate look
a bit ordinary really

No Rich, it doesn't. Get your facts right please!

Asides from your deep hatred of the man and ignoring his
qualities/weaknesses for now, that is EXACTLY the scoring record you
expect for a striker at whatever level they are playing at. For example:

Alan Sherer - Played 559 Scored 283
Ian Rush    - Played 601 Scored 254
Allan Clarke - Played 273 for Leeds - Scored 110
Steve Bull - Played 484 Scored 254
Lee Chapman (At Leeds) - Played 137 Scored 62
I could go on Richy, but I've a life to lead!! ;-)

A goal every other game is a good record at any level. I've played up
front and I can guarantee you every single striker worth his salt WANTS to
score every game.
They don't.
FACT.

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[DAVID NATTAN]

our midweek record and resutls in local type derbies has been poor for a while, 
so we really need to change those tonight. 3 points makes Saturdays draw decent 
but if we drop points then 1 or 2 from 2 home games is disastrous.
Somma is a hard choice - there is no doubt that looking at him in isolation he 
deserves to start but the big question is , who do you drop ? Becchio scored 
one,made one and had one pushed onto the post on Saturday (if you give him the 
benefit) and it is unclear if Somma can play on his own upfront. If you keep 
Becchio, and I think SG will, then it is who do you drop in midfield - if 
Johnson it makes us lighweight, if Kilkenny ( who was subbed for Somma on Sat) 
then we miss his ability to keep the ball and find a decent pass and, in both 
cases we miss Howsons bursts from midfield if he is part of a two in the middle.
 
I reckon we will start with the same as Norwich but who knows
 
Dave
 
--- On Tue, 22/2/11, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
Subject: [LU] Barnsley
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Date: Tuesday, 22 February, 2011, 11:07


Saw Mark Robins on local news this morning. Apparently we have Mark Clattenburg 
officiating tonight's game. Robins seemed to think this was a good thing as MC 
is less likely to be influenced by the 'noise level'. Get the feeling that 
Barnsley are well up for this one - as you would expect I suppose. 

It follows that we need to be at our best and on our game to get three tonight. 
There can be no room for complacency as if results go against us  tonight we 
could be out of the play offs. Looking forward to it.

Somma to start?

I

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Re: [LU] Barnsley

[Michael ALCOCK]

I can't see Grayson changing the team from Saturday either - but given
Barnsley's poor away form I'd gamble and play Somma instead of Johnson
and change to a 4-4-2.

I'd like to see Payntor and McCormick get some more minutes on the pitch too.

On 22 February 2011 14:58, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
 our midweek record and resutls in local type derbies has been poor for a 
 while, so we really need to change those tonight. 3 points makes Saturdays 
 draw decent but if we drop points then 1 or 2 from 2 home games is disastrous.
 Somma is a hard choice - there is no doubt that looking at him in isolation 
 he deserves to start but the big question is , who do you drop ? Becchio 
 scored one,made one and had one pushed onto the post on Saturday (if you give 
 him the benefit) and it is unclear if Somma can play on his own upfront. If 
 you keep Becchio, and I think SG will, then it is who do you drop in midfield 
 - if Johnson it makes us lighweight, if Kilkenny ( who was subbed for Somma 
 on Sat) then we miss his ability to keep the ball and find a decent pass and, 
 in both cases we miss Howsons bursts from midfield if he is part of a two in 
 the middle.

 I reckon we will start with the same as Norwich but who knows

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Re: [LU] Barnsley report

[Phill Shields]

Dave,

 

I concur with your report, we were coasting until half-time and Bessone fcks 
up and they go in 1-1.

 

The only lesson I want to be learned is by the manager. Namely that Naylor, 
Collins  Johnson are just not good enough at this level. I also have my doubts 
about Gradel who is a headless chicken with poor end product.

 

I would definitely shove in Bomby, Bruce and Faye for Friday night. Barnsley 
were there for the taking, Doncaster are actually a good team and will be a 
much tougher game.

 

Regards.

 

MOT

 

Phill
 
 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:48:02 +
 From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Barnsley report
 
 Well we guessed  it was likely to be an up and down season and after the 
 euphoria of Millwall and 3 wins on the bounce this was down to earth with a 
 huge bang.
 Pre match I joined lots of other Leeds fans in the Metrodome where a couple 
 of bars had been set up inside the actual gym - bizarre, bit reminiscent of 
 the old school discos.
 Once in the ground we were packed with the majority of Leeds fans behind the 
 goal but our huge following also spread along the side too. Barnsely sent out 
 6 or 8 chubby chavettes who we thought were cheerleaders but they just stood 
 in the cold and wet with one leg delicately placed in front of the other and 
 provided a guard of honour for the players who came out to a huge roar as we 
 got behind the team. Sam started instead of Watt and business as usual for 
 the rest. The game was played in blustery conditions with a huge wind in our 
 faces. After 2 or 3 minutes we got a corner and as Kilkenny hit it about a 
 foot off the ground a lad behind me shouted that is fu**ing awful but was 
 soon choking on his words as it was met first time by Howson and smashed into 
 the net from just inside the area. The perfect start. 
 We continued to press and Naylor headed an easy chance over and we looked 
 comfortable and we starting to expect to at least hold on if not double our 
 lead to half time. Then disaster a quick break from them and Bessone was all 
 at sea and missed 2 chances to tackle the man and get it clear but it was 
 pulled back and slotted home.Mistakes get punished at this level !
 1 - 1 at half time and we deserved to be in front and felt if we continued 
 like we had  we would still win.
 We started brightly (Hughes soon replaced Bessone) and the ball pinged ac 
 cross their goal with no-one being able to get a final touch. Then another 
 break, this time Connolly at fault and he and Higgs ended up in a heap with 
 the Barnsley player as the ball rolled to an unmarked player who turned it 
 into an empty net.
 Minutes later a corner was palmed away by Higgs and the Barnsley player 
 volleyed it in from a hard angle - cracking goal and effectively game over.
 Collins then headed into his own net when attempting to clear and a Barnsley 
 player was allowed to go the from the half way line without a challenge and 
 then shoot unhindered from the edge of the box as we crumbled big time.
 Some little consolation as a through ball from Kilkenny found Somma who 
 lashed it home with power to give us something to cheer.
 Only good news on the day Paynter, Faye and Snoddy all did 90minutes in a 
 behind closed doors friendly.
 Overall nowhere near good enough.
 It is a learning curve at the moment and we need to learn quickly
 Dave
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