Re: [LegacyUG] Filing by RINs (was Missing RINs)
Hello Brett Thanks for that comment. I have changed programs several times over the years and have never lost the RIN numbers (so far!) By using Legacy's feature to make the ID numbers the same as the RINs, (refer to my last E-Mail below), if anything ever went wrong I can find the RIN numbers via the IDs. One thing I omitted to mention in my last E-Mail was that Legacy doesn't automatically upgrade the ID numbers, you have to do that manually every so often. If I forget, I still have my very frequent backups. I don't actually use the ID's, they are just there as insurance. Regards - Bruce At 02:27 PM 26/05/2010, you wrote: Hi Bruce I also use individual numbers for filing, but early on started using UserID's - as that way I believe I can control the numbering. The RIN is a machine allocated number, and you cannot easily control it - for example when you merge duplicates, or swap software (heaven forbid). With the UserID you can. I allocate the numbers on the basis of RINs at this stage to avoid duplication. But what will happen in future? Cheers, Brett BMcL Robinson - Original Message - Hello Jenny I have changed the Subject as we are getting away from Missing RINs) No I only have one hard copy. For hard copy, the Detail Source starts with say, File TW6892 which tells me where it is filed, irrespective of what/who it is for. As I mentioned previously if you only want it for your own information it can be encased in [[.]]. Regarding Certificates - The Master Source for each one is in the form - Birth Certificate - Smith, James TW234. (if applicable, I add the word Transcript or similar) So all Birth Certificates appear as a list in alphabetical order of surname, then alphabetical order of the Given Name. The Detail Source for each one starts with File TW234. If it is used for someone else it still starts with File TW234. Again, if you don't want TW234 to show in reports it can be encased in [[...]]. For Letters, E-Mails the Master Source is in the form - Letter - Smith, James TW234 dated 2010 05 25 . So they appear in alphabetical order of surname, alphabetical order of Given Name and date order for a particular person. The Detail Source starts with File TW. (the RIN number where it is filed) For Newspapers the Master Source is in the form - Newspaper - London Times. The Detail Source starts with File TW.. (the RIN number where it is filed) and holds the Date, Issue No, Page No etc. To ensure the system stays intact I use the ID system provided by Legacy - Options - Customise - Other - Fill all ID fields - in Text I type TW to distinguish it from other numbers I use - Save. And of course I create regular backups. I know this may produce a long Master Source List, but because of the format used it is quick and easy to find what you want in the list by using Find at the top of the Master Source List and typing the first one or two letters of keyword ie. Newspapers. I don't suggest this is the best system, it is just what has developed after trying other systems over 25 years and works for me. Regards - Bruce At 09:17 PM 24/05/2010, you wrote: Bruce Tweedley wrote My Source Detail starts with say File TW6892 so I go straight to the filing system to find the hard copy. It can be placed in [[]] if you don't want it shown in reports. I have *masses* of hard copy Source material where one document relates to anything up to a dozen or even more people. Do people who file their hard copies by RIN (or MRIN for that matter) have multiple copies - one for every person referenced? If so, that would seem a shocking waste of resources and space. I file my documents according to *type* - Certificates all together, Letters all together, newspaper clippings all together, etc etc. Next to each person referenced I write their UserID (which incorporates their RIN.) Within Legacy, I record the location of each document in the Source Detail FileID field - eg Certificates Documents, page C10 or Correspondence Reports, page L2. No duplication of paperwork and I can quickly and easily refer from paper to Legacy or from Legacy to paper. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
Re: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports
Jan Roberts wrote: You might be able to guess from my recent questions that I am generating a lot of reports at the moment and have come across what appears to be another problem. I have noticed that some of my sources in the reports do not show the source details. For instance, a Master Source is 'Research of Another (Email)'. Despite having selected (in Options Sources) for the text and details and comments to be printed all I am getting is 'Research of Another (Email)' in some cases. Yet the actual source will have in the Detail the name and email address of the sender and date of the email. Sometimes I will add the actual text to the Text Comments screen, but this detail doesn't always appear in reports. And yes, I have selected 'Include this Citation on Reports' AND 'Add this detail to the citation on Reports'. For example, this particular source has a certificate number in the Source Detail box, but this is what prints: 32. Extract of Marriage Register, Extract of Marriage Register, Cit. Date: 24 May 2010. Can anyone else verify that this happens to them too, or is it just my system? Using 7.4.0.39. Deluxe. And while I'm at it - Tim from Support has acknowledged there is a problem with Someone, but look what appeared today in a report: Edith Edith never married and had no children. Herbert W INGERSOLL [791] [MRIN: 264], son of James INGERSOLL [6095] It should read Edith married Herbert W INGERSOLL etc. etc. Cheers Jan Jan, When adding comments etc to a source whether the Master or Detail one must ensure that the boxes on the source itself are also checked. Having said that, I have noticed some variation in the way inwhich data is presented/or not. Consequently, I always check the display on the right of the source boxes before I sign it off as being OK. I cannot really comment on your second point, but have you checked for a marriage to an unknown or a ghost marriage? Ron Ferguson _ *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw And the Fergusons of N.W. England Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports
Jan, Are you using Basic Sources, or Source Writer? Which report(s)? If Source Writer, after the first citation in some reports, only the Subsequent Citation (a short citation) will print. That is by design, and is as it should be. If you have used a Source Override on a Master Source, details will (probably) not print. That is also by design (or, at least that was the design back in March, 2009 when this issue was discussed in detail on this list; I have not heard that it has been changed). That design decision has never made any sense to me, and is the reason why I avoid Master Source Overrides. Connie --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: From: Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au Subject: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 10:00 AM You might be able to guess from my recent questions that I am generating a lot of reports at the moment and have come across what appears to be another problem. I have noticed that some of my sources in the reports do not show the source details. For instance, a Master Source is 'Research of Another (Email)'. Despite having selected (in Options Sources) for the text and details and comments to be printed all I am getting is 'Research of Another (Email)' in some cases. Yet the actual source will have in the Detail the name and email address of the sender and date of the email. Sometimes I will add the actual text to the Text Comments screen, but this detail doesn't always appear in reports. And yes, I have selected 'Include this Citation on Reports' AND 'Add this detail to the citation on Reports'. For example, this particular source has a certificate number in the Source Detail box, but this is what prints: 32. Extract of Marriage Register, Extract of Marriage Register, Cit. Date: 24 May 2010. Can anyone else verify that this happens to them too, or is it just my system? Using 7.4.0.39. Deluxe. And while I'm at it - Tim from Support has acknowledged there is a problem with Someone, but look what appeared today in a report: Edith Edith never married and had no children. Herbert W INGERSOLL [791] [MRIN: 264], son of James INGERSOLL [6095] It should read Edith married Herbert W INGERSOLL etc. etc. Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
A few comments back: 1. The title of the website is in italics, which you can't see here because of the Plain Text e-mail format. 2. Including the stamped page number is a good idea. I'll have to experiment with the templates to see which provide the best way to do this. I suppose the easiest is simply to add it to the Item of interest line. I, of course, would manually have to add the commas, etc. (unlike the census template which does this for you). 3. The Mount Hope Cemetery Office (essentially anything I put after that semi-colon) is my attempt to properly credit the original source, as recommended by Mills (also demonstrated in the census template which cites a NARA microfilm roll). The U of R didn't create the cemtery records, the cemetery did. 4. As with the census, the index (or database if you prefer) is only the means to the original interrment records. It is the original interrment records from which I am gathering my information. There is nothing transcribed, nothing copied. They are a digital image of the actual record. The index is really more like a table of contents -- enter Or 1947 to go straight to the digial image of the Or page within the particular book that covers 1947 (well sort of). It's really only step away from perusing the actual books themselves. I think I found the answer in Mills' book, under the Local State Records chapter (p. 439): When you cite a digital image of a record, you are citing the record—albeit in surrogate form. With [cemetery] records, you may cite that digital image in the same manner you would the original. Then, in place of the repository's name, you append the identification of the web publication, including the details outlined at 2.33. §2.34 (p.58) adds clarity to the database v. image debate: Web providers ... offer digital material in three forms: (a) images of orignal records [my scenario], (b) databases that compile historical data from the original images ... . The three types do not carry the same wieth on any scale by which evidence is appraised. Thus our citations to websties should specifically state the type of digial file we are using, ... . If I follow this guideline, it may eliminate the source of a source of a source (original records of the cemetery microfilmed and placed on a CD and made available online by the library). This would also seem to align with the citation examples for censuses viewed via a website. The only challenge is that there is no official name for the original record. Through manipulation of the URL, I can navigate to the first page of the book, which is stock book simply titled Schlicht's Standard Index which was nothing more than a book of blank pages the cemetery used to record interrments. So, perhaps we must assume a title? Perhaps something like this: Bibliography: Mount Hope Cemetery. Mount Hope Cemetery Interrment Index. Digital images. University of Rochester River Campus Libraries, iMt. Hope Riverside Cemetery Records/i. http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?PAGE=3559 : 2010. Reference Note: Mount Hope Cemetery Interrment Index. p. 534, George B. Oswold (interred 10 August 1935); digital images, University of Rochester River Campus Libraries, iMt. Hope Riverside Cemetery Records/i (http://www.lib.rochester.edu/IN/RBSCP/Databases/IMAGES/MtHope/disc2/0658.pdf : accessed 5 May 2010). I could also append the reference note detailing the source of the source (ala the census' citing NARA microfilm ...) but I'm not sure what to cite...the site doesn't actually cite anything, although a paragraph does provide some the provenance of the records. Perhaps in conflict with the census citation recommendation, the citation under Local State Records does not include a subsequent citing note. The one problem I see with this is that I do not think there is a way to have different URLs in the bibliography and reference note. The only way I can think of is to overwrite the reference note at each detail citation. This also seems necessary as the template does not record the reference note in the proper order (the item of interest is placed after the website title and URL). I have not yet gleaned from Mills' book when it is appropriate to include the item of interest upfront, ala the censuses, and when to put at the back. Here's another question -- let's say a template other than the one I used is a better choice. Is there a way to convert one template to another? In this case, it seems like Generic SourceOnline Database is superior to Thanks... Scott On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: Scott, I think you've done well with a complicated situation! Some of my comments and questions would be: The title of the website item, Mt. Hope and Riverside Cemetery Records should be in quotes, IMO. Why did you not include the stamped page number on which Mr. Oswold's name appears? What does Mount Hope Cemetery Office refer to? I may have
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
That's the ticket. You have found what yo needed. Sometimes thinking outside the box gets you in the correct box. ;-) Rich in LA CA --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote: From: Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 9:46 AM A few comments back: 1. The title of the website is in italics, which you can't see here because of the Plain Text e-mail format. 2. Including the stamped page number is a good idea. I'll have to experiment with the templates to see which provide the best way to do this. I suppose the easiest is simply to add it to the Item of interest line. I, of course, would manually have to add the commas, etc. (unlike the census template which does this for you). 3. The Mount Hope Cemetery Office (essentially anything I put after that semi-colon) is my attempt to properly credit the original source, as recommended by Mills (also demonstrated in the census template which cites a NARA microfilm roll). The U of R didn't create the cemtery records, the cemetery did. 4. As with the census, the index (or database if you prefer) is only the means to the original interrment records. It is the original interrment records from which I am gathering my information. There is nothing transcribed, nothing copied. They are a digital image of the actual record. The index is really more like a table of contents -- enter Or 1947 to go straight to the digial image of the Or page within the particular book that covers 1947 (well sort of). It's really only step away from perusing the actual books themselves. I think I found the answer in Mills' book, under the Local State Records chapter (p. 439): When you cite a digital image of a record, you are citing the record—albeit in surrogate form. With [cemetery] records, you may cite that digital image in the same manner you would the original. Then, in place of the repository's name, you append the identification of the web publication, including the details outlined at 2.33. §2.34 (p.58) adds clarity to the database v. image debate: Web providers ... offer digital material in three forms: (a) images of orignal records [my scenario], (b) databases that compile historical data from the original images ... . The three types do not carry the same wieth on any scale by which evidence is appraised. Thus our citations to websties should specifically state the type of digial file we are using, ... . If I follow this guideline, it may eliminate the source of a source of a source (original records of the cemetery microfilmed and placed on a CD and made available online by the library). This would also seem to align with the citation examples for censuses viewed via a website. The only challenge is that there is no official name for the original record. Through manipulation of the URL, I can navigate to the first page of the book, which is stock book simply titled Schlicht's Standard Index which was nothing more than a book of blank pages the cemetery used to record interrments. So, perhaps we must assume a title? Perhaps something like this: Bibliography: Mount Hope Cemetery. Mount Hope Cemetery Interrment Index. Digital images. University of Rochester River Campus Libraries, iMt. Hope Riverside Cemetery Records/i. http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?PAGE=3559 : 2010. Reference Note: Mount Hope Cemetery Interrment Index. p. 534, George B. Oswold (interred 10 August 1935); digital images, University of Rochester River Campus Libraries, iMt. Hope Riverside Cemetery Records/i (http://www.lib.rochester.edu/IN/RBSCP/Databases/IMAGES/MtHope/disc2/0658.pdf : accessed 5 May 2010). I could also append the reference note detailing the source of the source (ala the census' citing NARA microfilm ...) but I'm not sure what to cite...the site doesn't actually cite anything, although a paragraph does provide some the provenance of the records. Perhaps in conflict with the census citation recommendation, the citation under Local State Records does not include a subsequent citing note. The one problem I see with this is that I do not think there is a way to have different URLs in the bibliography and reference note. The only way I can think of is to overwrite the reference note at each detail citation. This also seems necessary as the template does not record the reference note in the proper order (the item of interest is placed after the website title and URL). I have not yet gleaned from Mills' book when it is appropriate to include the item of interest upfront, ala the censuses, and when to put at the back. Here's another question -- let's say a template other than the one I used is a better choice. Is there a way to convert one template to another? In this case, it seems like Generic
[LegacyUG] A sourcing question -- how many to include?
A search of the archives pulled some threads on this topic, but from a few years back, so I thought revisiting it would be OK. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to record multiple sources that provide a single piece of information. There seem to be three key considerations: 1. Whether each source corroborates or conflicts with the other sources 2. The surety level of the source (e.g. primary v. secondary) 3. Keeping track of your research history (identifying that you've researched a source) There must be a balance between these considerations. For example, let's say your only record of a particular ancestor is the U.S. census, and appeared in all censuses from 1850–1880. Let's also assume that the each census accurately shows his age in intervals of 10 (in other words, the censuses corroborate each other). Because you have no other record of his birthdate, you can calculate the range based on his age. If, in 1850, he was 25, you know he must have been born between 2 Jun 1824 and 1 Jun 1825, given the census date of June 1. As implied above, the 1860, 70, and 80 censuses list his age as 35, 45, and 55, respectively, all calculating to the same birth range. Do you list all four censuses as sources? Now, let's add the 1900 census to our example, which again corroborates the earlier censuses, listing your ancestor at age 75 and providing the month and year of birth, say August 1824. I assume you'd replace the birth range with the month and year provided by the 1900 census, but what do you do with the other censuses as sources? Do you leave them (and if so, how do you indicate that they are only corroborating, as none support August 1824, just the range)? Do you remove them entirely (and if so, how do you note that you have, in fact, researched them)? Let's add another piece of information to our example—a death certificate. Although the census is a fairly reputable source, its likely lower on the surety scale than an official death certificate. Let's say the death certificate again corroborates the censuses, listing your ancestors birthdate as 15 August 1824. Again, you update the field and cite the certificate, but what you do with the censuses as sources? Lastly, let's twist the scenario slightly—let's say the death certificate does NOT provide you ancestor's date of birth, but rather only the date of and age at death. If he died on 5 September 1901 at age 77 years, 0 months, and 21 days, you could alculate the birth date as 15 August 1824. But proper protocal demands that you prefix this date with Cal. to show that the date was calculated. Now what do you do with the censuses as sources? We could continue the example with other records that corroborrate or conflict, such as obituaries, cemetery indexes, tombstones, etc. All have varying levels of surety. You want to know that you reviewed each source, so as not to duplicate your work, but do you want a catalog of every source you've ever looked at? If not, how do you balance keeping track of what you've reviewed, having sufficient sources such that the conclusion can be reasonably supported, and keeping your data file neat and organized and your reports crisp and not burdened with excessive redundancy? Scott Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Source Template for an Obituary
There appears to not be a source template for an obituary retrieved from a funeral home web site. When I search the templates for obituary all the results are for newspapers. Do I use a generic or basic template? Bobby Johnson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports
Sorry - yes, Basic Sources. Never used Source Override. Descendant Narrative. Cheers Jan -Original Message- From: Connie Sheets [mailto:clshee...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 1:35 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports Jan, Are you using Basic Sources, or Source Writer?� Which report(s)? If Source Writer, after the first citation in some reports, only the Subsequent Citation (a short citation) will print.� That is by design, and is as it should be. If you have used a Source Override on a Master Source, details will (probably) not print. That is also by design (or, at least that was the design back in March, 2009 when this issue was discussed in detail on this list; I have not heard that it has been changed).� That design decision has never made any sense to me, and is the reason why I avoid Master Source Overrides. Connie --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: From: Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au Subject: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 10:00 AM You might be able to guess from my recent questions that I am generating a lot of reports at the moment and have come across what appears to be another problem.� I have noticed that some of my sources in the reports do not show the source details.� For instance, a Master Source is 'Research of Another (Email)'.� Despite having selected (in Options Sources) for the text and details and comments to be printed all I am getting is 'Research of Another (Email)' in some cases.� Yet the actual source will have in the Detail the name and email address of the sender and date of the email.� Sometimes I will add the actual text to the Text Comments screen,� but this detail doesn't always appear in reports.� And yes, I have selected 'Include this Citation on Reports' AND 'Add this detail to the citation on Reports'. For example, this particular source has a certificate number in the Source Detail box, but this is what prints: � � 32.� Extract of Marriage Register, Extract of Marriage Register, Cit. Date: 24 May 2010. Can anyone else verify that this happens to them too, or is it just my system?� Using 7.4.0.39. Deluxe. And while I'm at it - Tim from Support has acknowledged there is a problem with Someone, but look what appeared today in a report: Edith Edith never married and had no children.� Herbert W INGERSOLL [791] [MRIN: 264], son of James INGERSOLL [6095] It should read Edith married Herbert W INGERSOLL etc. etc. Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports
Well, I guess they could be subsequent citations of the same Master Source, but the detail is different so they should all print. I use Basic Sources (sorry, forgot to mention that) so no issue re templates. Cheers Jan -Original Message- From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 2:01 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports Is it possible that you are seeing the 'subsequent citation' form of the source, in the cases where details are missing? In my experiments last year, I found that the implementation of subsequent citations, for some templates, dropped certain detail fields that really should be kept (or, at least should be kept if the value had changed since the previous citation). A work around for this design defect is often to fudge the template by placing data in a different field than what is suggested by the template. Ward - Original Message - From: Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:00 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] source citations in reports You might be able to guess from my recent questions that I am generating a lot of reports at the moment and have come across what appears to be another problem. I have noticed that some of my sources in the reports do not show the source details. For instance, a Master Source is 'Research of Another (Email)'. Despite having selected (in Options Sources) for the text and details and comments to be printed all I am getting is 'Research of Another (Email)' in some cases. Yet the actual source will have in the Detail the name and email address of the sender and date of the email. Sometimes I will add the actual text to the Text Comments screen, but this detail doesn't always appear in reports. And yes, I have selected 'Include this Citation on Reports' AND 'Add this detail to the citation on Reports'. For example, this particular source has a certificate number in the Source Detail box, but this is what prints: 32. Extract of Marriage Register, Extract of Marriage Register, Cit. Date: 24 May 2010. Can anyone else verify that this happens to them too, or is it just my system? Using 7.4.0.39. Deluxe. And while I'm at it - Tim from Support has acknowledged there is a problem with Someone, but look what appeared today in a report: Edith Edith never married and had no children. Herbert W INGERSOLL [791] [MRIN: 264], son of James INGERSOLL [6095] It should read Edith married Herbert W INGERSOLL etc. etc. Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Timeline help
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this covers old ground (I couldn't figure out how to get to the archives, if there are any). I'm teaching a class on personal timelines, so I started creating one for myself. I figured it was a good place to start. I pulled my family group and four generations back of my and my husband's lines as background into a GEDCom and started a new file. Then I started adding information from my baby book and anywhere else I could find it to the Events/Facts box in my entry. I added my father's military service into his entry for kicks and grins. When I pulled it all together, it showed all my data, it showed my parent's deaths. It didn't show either of my parents' remarriages, any of my grandparents' deaths, my nephew's death, my daughter or son's marraiges, my granchildren's births, my graddaughter's death, etc. Is there any way to get Legacy to consolidate all the information that happened within my tree in the given timeline period to display, in this case, anything within those six generations from 1962 to present, all of which played a part in my life? Or are those all points I would have to add seperately into the Events/Facts area of the entry? Thanks so much. Maureen Lake Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline help
Maureen Lake wrote:
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this covers old ground (I
couldn't figure out how to get to the archives, if there are any).
I'm teaching a class on personal timelines, so I started creating one
for myself. I figured it was a good place to start. I pulled my
family group and four generations back of my and my husband's lines
as background into a GEDCom and started a new file. Then I started
adding information from my baby book and anywhere else I could find
it to the Events/Facts box in my entry. I added my father's military
service into his entry for kicks and grins.
When I pulled it all together, it showed all my data, it showed my
parent's deaths. It didn't show either of my parents' remarriages,
any of my grandparents' deaths, my nephew's death, my daughter or
son's marraiges, my granchildren's births, my graddaughter's death,
etc.
Is there any way to get Legacy to consolidate all the information
that happened within my tree in the given timeline period to display,
in this case, anything within those six generations from 1962 to
present, all of which played a part in my life? Or are those all
points I would have to add seperately into the Events/Facts area of
the entry?
Thanks so much.
Maureen Lake
Maureen,
As you have found the standard timeline construction which you have used,
and I am assuming that you are referring to the output from the Chronology
Tab, will only include specific events which you can select using the
options button on the right.
On clicking that button you may have noticed, at the bottom of the
Chronology Options screen a button named Select Background Timelines and
if you click it it takes you to a list of timelines relating to all sorts of
events, such as the British Monarchy, British Prime Ministers etc. etc.
Now I know this is not what you want, but the great thing about it is that
you can write your own background timeline using it. Clicking the Help
Button tells you how. So, in Maureen's Timeline you can include all the
information which isn't showing at present. If you want to look at the
construction of these timelines, they are contained in C:\Legacy\Timelines\
(assuming you installed Legacy in C:\) and they are only text files, so you
can open them in any text editor (even Notepad!).
If you have Open Office Calc or Windows Excel then you can treat them as a
CSV file use | (no quotes) as the delimited, you will also see that Legacy
uses {/n} as line feed/carriage return.
If you hit any problems please do come back and I will happily take you
through the process, probably not today - as it is now my tomorrow!
Ron Ferguson
_
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http://www.fergys.co.uk
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Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline help
Okay, so if I'm following the logic here, by rights I should be able to export
a new GEDCom with all the updated data. I should then be able to turn thatinto
a .txt file which I can inport into an Excel spreadsheet, eliminate the data
that refers to me, save it as a timeline into the timelines folder, and then
access through that system?
Does this sound about right? Or would it be easier if i just saved the
timeline out as an .rtf and added my information in manually?
And just off the cuff, I've added pictures to several of these events, homes
I've lived in and such. Can I get those to print on the timeline or chronology
reports?
Thanks again.
Maureen
- Original Message
From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:02:35 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline help
Maureen Lake wrote:
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this covers old ground (I
couldn't figure out how to get to the archives, if there are any).
I'm teaching a class on personal timelines, so I started creating one
for myself. I figured it was a good place to start. I pulled my
family group and four generations back of my and my husband's lines
as background into a GEDCom and started a new file. Then I started
adding information from my baby book and anywhere else I could find
it to the Events/Facts box in my entry. I added my father's military
service into his entry for kicks and grins.
When I pulled it all together, it showed all my data, it showed my
parent's deaths. It didn't show either of my parents' remarriages,
any of my grandparents' deaths, my nephew's death, my daughter or
son's marraiges, my granchildren's births, my graddaughter's death,
etc.
Is there any way to get Legacy to consolidate all the information
that happened within my tree in the given timeline period to display,
in this case, anything within those six generations from 1962 to
present, all of which played a part in my life? Or are those all
points I would have to add seperately into the Events/Facts area of
the entry?
Thanks so much.
Maureen Lake
Maureen,
As you have found the standard timeline construction which you have used,
and I am assuming that you are referring to the output from the Chronology
Tab, will only include specific events which you can select using the
options button on the right.
On clicking that button you may have noticed, at the bottom of the
Chronology Options screen a button named Select Background Timelines and
if you click it it takes you to a list of timelines relating to all sorts of
events, such as the British Monarchy, British Prime Ministers etc. etc.
Now I know this is not what you want, but the great thing about it is that
you can write your own background timeline using it. Clicking the Help
Button tells you how. So, in Maureen's Timeline you can include all the
information which isn't showing at present. If you want to look at the
construction of these timelines, they are contained in C:\Legacy\Timelines\
(assuming you installed Legacy in C:\) and they are only text files, so you
can open them in any text editor (even Notepad!).
If you have Open Office Calc or Windows Excel then you can treat them as a
CSV file use | (no quotes) as the delimited, you will also see that Legacy
uses {/n} as line feed/carriage return.
If you hit any problems please do come back and I will happily take you
through the process, probably not today - as it is now my tomorrow!
Ron Ferguson
_
*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England
Legacy User Group guidelines:
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009:
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/
Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
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Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline help
Maureen,
I'm afraid you lost me from line 1, but like I said it's now tomorrow here!
I don't understand where your GEDCOM comes into it! Ah! I think I see where
you are coming from. If you are asking whether you can export your data from
Legacy to a GEDCOM and then get it into Excel in a format which the Legacy
Timeline would accept after processing, then off the cuff, I don't think so.
Do you have Access and know SQL? Using that may be possible, but I doubt if
it would be easy to code.
Please take a look at the construction of the Legacy Timeline, as I
suggested in my last post. I suspect that you will find that you will have
to enter the data which you wish to include into your timeline manually.
When I write them I actually find it easier to write them in OO.o Calc (I
don't use Excel), manually insert the {/n} where needed, and export them
as a CSV using | as the separator. Post saving I change the extension from
CSV to TXT.
The timelines/Chronology Reports will not accept pictures - they wouldn't
fit anyhow.
Ron Ferguson
_
*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England
Maureen Lake wrote:
Okay, so if I'm following the logic here, by rights I should be able
to export a new GEDCom with all the updated data. I should then be
able to turn thatinto a .txt file which I can inport into an Excel
spreadsheet, eliminate the data that refers to me, save it as a
timeline into the timelines folder, and then access through that
system?
Does this sound about right? Or would it be easier if i just saved
the timeline out as an .rtf and added my information in manually?
And just off the cuff, I've added pictures to several of these
events, homes I've lived in and such. Can I get those to print on the
timeline or chronology reports?
Thanks again.
Maureen
- Original Message
From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 4:02:35 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline help
Maureen Lake wrote:
I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this covers old ground (I
couldn't figure out how to get to the archives, if there are any).
I'm teaching a class on personal timelines, so I started creating one
for myself. I figured it was a good place to start. I pulled my
family group and four generations back of my and my husband's lines
as background into a GEDCom and started a new file. Then I started
adding information from my baby book and anywhere else I could find
it to the Events/Facts box in my entry. I added my father's military
service into his entry for kicks and grins.
When I pulled it all together, it showed all my data, it showed my
parent's deaths. It didn't show either of my parents' remarriages,
any of my grandparents' deaths, my nephew's death, my daughter or
son's marraiges, my granchildren's births, my graddaughter's death,
etc.
Is there any way to get Legacy to consolidate all the information
that happened within my tree in the given timeline period to display,
in this case, anything within those six generations from 1962 to
present, all of which played a part in my life? Or are those all
points I would have to add seperately into the Events/Facts area of
the entry?
Thanks so much.
Maureen Lake
Maureen,
As you have found the standard timeline construction which you have
used,
and I am assuming that you are referring to the output from the
Chronology
Tab, will only include specific events which you can select using the
options button on the right.
On clicking that button you may have noticed, at the bottom of the
Chronology Options screen a button named Select Background
Timelines and
if you click it it takes you to a list of timelines relating to all
sorts of
events, such as the British Monarchy, British Prime Ministers etc.
etc.
Now I know this is not what you want, but the great thing about it is
that
you can write your own background timeline using it. Clicking the Help
Button tells you how. So, in Maureen's Timeline you can include all
the
information which isn't showing at present. If you want to look at the
construction of these timelines, they are contained in
C:\Legacy\Timelines\
(assuming you installed Legacy in C:\) and they are only text files,
so you
can open them in any text editor (even Notepad!).
If you have Open Office Calc or Windows Excel then you can treat them
as a
CSV file use | (no quotes) as the delimited, you will also see that
Legacy
uses {/n} as line feed/carriage return.
If you hit any problems please do come back and I will happily take
you
through the process, probably not today - as it is now my tomorrow!
Ron Ferguson
_
*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google
