Re: [LegacyUG] Correction for pre Oklahoma

2010-08-02 Thread Dennis Sutton
  Mark,

Thanks for the information.  Will file it away for reference as I
develop research in this area.

Dennis

On 8/1/2010 11:01 PM, Mark Wilson wrote:
 Ooops!  I corrected the history for the Greer County land;  the
 correction is underlined.


 On 01 Aug 2010 06:17 PM, Dennis Sutton wrote:
How does one input pre Oklahoma, i.e; Indian Territory or the area
 that was once called Northwest Territory (before it was broken down into
 States)?

 Dennis
 Here's a short Oklahoma history lesson:

 First, France owned the territory.  Then skipping ahead after the
 Louisiana Purchase...

 Between 04 July 1819 and 15 June 1836, today's Oklahoma land was part
 of the incorporated Territory of Arkansaw (yes, this is correctly
 spelled). On 15 Nov 1824 and again on 06 May 1828, a western portion
 of the Arkansaw Territory was given up as a result of Indian treaties.

 The panhandle of what is now part of Oklahoma was claimed by the
 Republic of Texas prior to 29 Dec 1845.  From that date until 02 May
 1890, this 170 mile strip of land remained unassigned, or /No Man's
 Land./Â  Settlers unofficially referred to this area as Cimarron
 Territory.  After 1890, the unassigned area became part of Oklahoma
 Territory (not the state).

 _On 16 Mar 1896, land that made up Greer County, Tesas (the state)
 became part of Oklahoma Territory (not the state).  This area is now
 located in Beckham, Greer, and Jackson Counties in Oklahoma._

 Then on 16 Nov 1907, the Oklahoma Territory and Indian Territory were
 combined to form the State of Oklahoma.

 Long story short, depending on the date and location, an area that is
 now in Oklahoma may be designated as having been in:

 1) French Territory
 2) Republic of Texas
 3) Texas
 4) Arkansaw Territory
 5) Indian Territory
 6) Oklahoma Territory
 7) Cimarron Strip (unofficial)
 8) Oklahoma

 Legacy sometimes does not recognize the differences and objects to
 one of these locations, however, it is what it is.


 Mark from Oklahoma


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[LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Laura Johnson
Will try this again since it appears no one responded to it the first time.

Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you resize
them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously widen them
every time I open the source window so that I can see the source detail
or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't find anything in Help
about it.  I would like to be able to see them stay the same way so that
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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Fry
On 2010/08/02 02:15, Laura Johnson wrote:
 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you resize
 them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously widen them
 every time I open the source window so that I can see the source detail
 or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't find anything in Help
 about it.  I would like to be able to see them stay the same way so that
 I don't have to resize it every time I open the source window

If it's not done automatically, then... No. Submit a request to the
developers via the facility available on the Home tab in the bottom,
right-hand corner.

PS Please try to avoid high-jacking threads.

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Re: [LegacyUG] pre Oklahoma

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Fry
On 2010/08/02 04:11, Mark Wilson wrote:
   On 01 Aug 2010 06:17 PM, Dennis Sutton wrote:
How does one input pre Oklahoma, i.e; Indian Territory or the area
 that was once called Northwest Territory (before it was broken down into
 States)?

 Dennis
 Here's a short Oklahoma history lesson:

 First, France owned the territory.  Then skipping ahead after the
 Louisiana Purchase...


Surely the French weren't there in the beginning :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Ron Ferguson
Laura Johnson wrote:
 Will try this again since it appears no one responded to it the first
 time.

 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you
 resize them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously
 widen them every time I open the source window so that I can see the
 source detail
 or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't find anything in Help
 about it.  I would like to be able to see them stay the same way so
 that
 I don't have to resize it every time I open the source window


Laura,

Please give users time to respond. Your first post to which Mike Fry replied
was received in BST at 01-45 and your second at 10-43. I would suggest 24hrs
as being a reasonable time before a follow up. When there is not a reply at
all, it is worth considering that we simply don't know the answer.

In the UK (and South Africa) we tend to go to bed when it's night
(sometimes)!! :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 02/08/2010 01:15, Laura Johnson wrote:
 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you resize
 them in the assigned source window?

I don't think there is.  Even more annoying to me is that one can't
permanently re-size the columns in the Events/Facts sections of an
Individual's screen.  The date column is not wide enough to show the
year when you've entered a long date like 25 September 1890 and I am so
frequently having to re-size that to check the order of events or see
when something happened.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 02/08/2010 10:43, Laura Johnson wrote:
 Will try this again since it appears no one responded to it the first time.

Give people a chance!  I read LUG several times a day most days so can
answer queries fairly promptly.  As it happens, I read messages just
before midnight last night and again around 2pm to-day and I answered
your message.  Other knowledgable people may only get to read messages
once a day or even a lot less often.

In this instance I know there have been at least 2 replies to your post,
and it was a query with a straightforward answer which many people could
give.  But bear in mind that if no one knows the answer to a question we
don't really want dozens of posts to the group all just
saying I don't know.

People who don't see their own posts can check the archives to see if
they have appeared.  If there has been no response after a reasonable
length of time (2 or 3 days at least) it is fairly safe to assume that
no one knows, so it might be appropriate to contact Support directly.
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mail

2010-08-02 Thread marilyn E B
Donna, as another gmail user I would suggest checking your spam folder. I do
not know why but sometimes LUG mail will wind up going to spam. If this is
what happened, you can do one of two things: you can go into the filtering
options and set LUG mail as NOT SPAM or you can check your spam daily and
send the LUG mail back to your inbox. Usually a couple of days of doing this
will correct the problem.

I hope this helps.

Marilyn

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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Sherry/Support
In a word, No.   Hopefully the programmers will be able to find a grid
control which will retain the selected settings after they port Legacy
over to a new programming language.

And to re-emphasize what others have already written to you - please
don't hijack a thread. When you have a new question not related to an
ongoing thread, please send a new message to
LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com

Also, please give the listers time to respond.  They're scattered all
over the world and may not see your message for several hours after
you've posted it.

Legacy support staff normally does not work on weekends.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Laura Johnson rngad...@madisontelco.com wrote:
 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you resize
 them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously widen them
 every time I open the source window so that I can see the source detail
 or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't find anything in Help
 about it.  I would like to be able to see them stay the same way so that
 I don't have to resize it every time I open the source window



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and County Names

2010-08-02 Thread Brian L. Lightfoot
As I've read all the replies on this thread, I am thoroughly convinced of three 
things.

1.  The political subdivisions of the United States are nowhere near uniform. 
Each state does as it pleases (which is what our Constitution stipulates).
2.  Address location anywhere in the UK is only understood by someone born 
there.
3.  The state of New York has the most confusing addressing system anywhere in 
the world.
4.  I never understood math.


Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Hall [mailto:seh0...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:19 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and County Names

 Brian:

 This is an excellent system I think I'll adopt.  I notice Slawson's
 Getting it Right is silent on this point, but provides examples that
 use descriptors such as City or County, especially when the city /
 town and county share the same name.  I adopted the four comma
 approach when I switched to Legacy, principally because I got better
 verification from the GeoDB.  I'm now of the opinion that the GeoDB be
 damned, adding County or Township helps avoid ambiguity.

 I think the four comma approach is still a good alternative, but the
 straw that pushes me to modify it to an approach similar to yours is
 that I find it too common that the city is not often known, and in
 many cases may be the town or township.

 For example, a record for one of my ancestors may indicate an event
 that took place in Muncy, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania.  Is that
 Muncy Borough or Muncy Township?  How would you record it if you did
 not know?

 The trick in getting this right is knowing each state's govermental
 entity hierarchy.  Having grown up in New York State, I am used to the
 Village inside a Town inside a County system.  For example, I grew up
 just outside of Shortsville, a small incorporated village in the town
 of Manchester, which is located in Ontario County.  Despite having a
 Shortsville mailing address and attedning the Manchester-Shortsville
 school system, I actually lived inside the neighboring town of
 Hopewell, within no incorporated village.  So, if one were listing
 where I spend my childhood, it would be:

 Town of Hopewell, Ontario County, New York, USA

 While I could just say Hopewell and leave off town, it would become
 ambigous if I were referring to Manchester, the neighboring town where
 I went to school, as the Town of Manchester has within it a village
 also named Manchester.  So, like the Muncy example, clarity come from
 listing like this:

 Village of Manchester (or just Manchester), Town of Manchester,
 Ontario County, New York, USA

 But here is the $64,000 question  the four comma approach says
 city OR town, county, state, country.  Is it then overkill to
 consistently use a five comma approach?   A month ago I might of said
 yes, but now I say no.

 What do you think?

 In Massachusetts, where I live now, the system is similar, except
 there are no incorporated villages or any incorporated government
 below the town level.  There are plenty of unincorporated villages and
 places, but the lowest level of government is the town.  As with New
 York, towns are within counties, although some Massachusetts counties
 have been disbanded and exist only for historical geographic purposes
 (such as Hampden County).  I currently live within the Town of
 Grafton, located in Worcester County.  Thus the listing could be:

 Grafton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA

 Beacuse there is nothing lower than Grafton, it is probably not
 necessary to say Town of Grafton.

 But now we have state-by-state variation, and that could get
 confusing.  While Massachusetts is similar to Pennsylvania in that the
 town (MA) or township / borough (PA) is the lowest form of government,
 its different from that of NY, where villages are smaller that towns.
 So, although obvious, perhaps its better to say:

 Town of Grafton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA

 which would align the method with that of New York.

 Thoughts?


 Scott





 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot
 br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:
 
  I'm glad to see that I'm in line with the general consensus here,
 namely to include the work County after the name of the county. I've
 observed that this practice has evolved somewhat over the past decade.
 Seems originally somebody thought the nice, clean method of City,
 County, State, (optional Country) was the prescribed method. But I
 immediately saw a problem in that many cities, townships, and counties
 all have the same name. For example, the city of Mudville, in Mudville
 Township, in Mudville County. When you run across some source that left
 out the critical location word and only provided Mudville, State or
 Mudville, Mudville, State (as in Ancestry's 1880 census reports),
 then are they talking the city of Mudville or the township of Mudville.
 (Note to people across the pond either in the UK or the land down under

RE: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Brian L. Lightfoot
 after they port Legacy over to a new programming language.

Did I fall asleep and miss something?


Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:44 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

 In a word, No.   Hopefully the programmers will be able to find a grid
 control which will retain the selected settings after they port Legacy
 over to a new programming language.

 And to re-emphasize what others have already written to you - please
 don't hijack a thread. When you have a new question not related to an
 ongoing thread, please send a new message to
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com

 Also, please give the listers time to respond.  They're scattered all
 over the world and may not see your message for several hours after
 you've posted it.

 Legacy support staff normally does not work on weekends.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Laura Johnson
 rngad...@madisontelco.com wrote:
  Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you
 resize
  them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously widen
 them
  every time I open the source window so that I can see the source
 detail
  or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't find anything in Help
  about it.  I would like to be able to see them stay the same way so
 that
  I don't have to resize it every time I open the source window




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Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

2010-08-02 Thread Ron Ferguson


Not recently, Brian.

It is common knowledge that the program is being transported from  the
current VB6 to VB.Net, mainly so that utf8 coding can be used.

Ron Ferguson
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Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
  after they port Legacy over to a new programming language.

 Did I fall asleep and miss something?


 Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:44 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

 In a word, No.   Hopefully the programmers will be able to find a
 grid control which will retain the selected settings after they port
 Legacy over to a new programming language.

 And to re-emphasize what others have already written to you - please
 don't hijack a thread. When you have a new question not related to an
 ongoing thread, please send a new message to
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com

 Also, please give the listers time to respond.  They're scattered all
 over the world and may not see your message for several hours after
 you've posted it.

 Legacy support staff normally does not work on weekends.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Laura Johnson
 rngad...@madisontelco.com wrote:
 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you
 resize them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously
 widen them every time I open the source window so that I can see
 the source detail or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't
 find anything in Help about it.  I would like to be able to see
 them stay the same way so that I don't have to resize it every time
 I open the source window





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RE: [LegacyUG] VB6 to VB.Net

2010-08-02 Thread CE Wood
Oh Ron!  You are going to get people all excited.  Many emails from support 
have advised us it will be a looong time before that happens.  As has 
been said many times recently, the programmers are focused on FamilySearch to 
the detriment of correcting problems reported more than four years ago.  There 
are times it seems our reports go into a black hole.  Even Sherry recently 
admitted to not knowing about a report, and found it buried somewhere only 
because the reporter had a report number.  Most never get those when we report 
a problem to support..


CE


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window



Not recently, Brian.

It is common knowledge that the program is being transported from  the
current VB6 to VB.Net, mainly so that utf8 coding can be used.

Ron Ferguson
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Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
  after they port Legacy over to a new programming language.

 Did I fall asleep and miss something?


 Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:44 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

 In a word, No.   Hopefully the programmers will be able to find a
 grid control which will retain the selected settings after they port
 Legacy over to a new programming language.

 And to re-emphasize what others have already written to you - please
 don't hijack a thread. When you have a new question not related to an
 ongoing thread, please send a new message to
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com

 Also, please give the listers time to respond.  They're scattered all
 over the world and may not see your message for several hours after
 you've posted it.

 Legacy support staff normally does not work on weekends.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Laura Johnson
 rngad...@madisontelco.com wrote:
 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you
 resize them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously
 widen them every time I open the source window so that I can see
 the source detail or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't
 find anything in Help about it.  I would like to be able to see
 them stay the same way so that I don't have to resize it every time
 I open the source window





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Re: [LegacyUG] VB6 to VB.Net

2010-08-02 Thread Sherry/Support
It wasn't a report.  Someone posted that I had told him something
which I hadn't and he said it was in May.  I found it and that he had
corresponded iwth another support person back in January. No black
hole to fall into. That ticket was closed because the question was
answered.

When you send a message to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com, you should
get a response from our ticketing system which gives you the ticket
number and other information. If you're not getting that within a
short period of time, check your spam folder, esp on the web. Some
ISPs don't like auto-responses.

The ticket number shows up in the subject line of every message sent
to us through the proper channels.

That's why it's so important to write to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
rather than to a specific tech directly now.  That way we can all keep
better track of what we're doing g

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:16 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote:
 Oh Ron!  You are going to get people all excited.  Many emails from support 
 have advised us it will be a looong time before that happens.  As has 
 been said many times recently, the programmers are focused on FamilySearch to 
 the detriment of correcting problems reported more than four years ago.  
 There are times it seems our reports go into a black hole.  Even Sherry 
 recently admitted to not knowing about a report, and found it buried 
 somewhere only because the reporter had a report number.  Most never get 
 those when we report a problem to support..


 CE



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RE: [LegacyUG] pre Oklahoma

2010-08-02 Thread Richard and Evita Piepho

the reason most refer only to the French because France was the first to 
encourage settlement because they wanted a population as a buffer to the 
Spanish territories and they didn't want the British taking their territories 
because they didn't have enuff troops to defend against the British.  After US 
bought the land from the French, the eastern part of Oklahoma was in the Upper 
Louisiana Territory and then it became the Missouri Territory before becoming 
the Oklahoma Territory  Indian Territory.  In the early 19th century US 
borders were very fluid and changing with even Canada having area which is now 
the USA.  So to identify what location a person lived within one most know the 
history of the area in question.  Remember family history came first and they 
make up the  general history  one studies in school.
Richard

 From: mike...@iafrica.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] pre Oklahoma
 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:55:27 +0200

 On 2010/08/02 04:11, Mark Wilson wrote:
On 01 Aug 2010 06:17 PM, Dennis Sutton wrote:
 How does one input pre Oklahoma, i.e; Indian Territory or the area
  that was once called Northwest Territory (before it was broken down into
  States)?
 
  Dennis
  Here's a short Oklahoma history lesson:
 
  First, France owned the territory.  Then skipping ahead after the
  Louisiana Purchase...
 

 Surely the French weren't there in the beginning :-)

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
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Re: [LegacyUG] VB6 to VB.Net

2010-08-02 Thread Ron Ferguson

I was very careful not to say when, nor with which release!! It's obviously
something which must be done sooner or later, and adverse comments on the
release of  Legacy7 were not uncommon because the base of the program was
not changed. It is now so dated that it would be crazy for it not to have a
high priority IMHO.

Ron Ferguson
_

*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England



CE Wood wrote:
 Oh Ron!  You are going to get people all excited.  Many emails from
 support have advised us it will be a looong time before that
 happens.  As has been said many times recently, the programmers are
 focused on FamilySearch to the detriment of correcting problems
 reported more than four years ago.  There are times it seems our
 reports go into a black hole.  Even Sherry recently admitted to not
 knowing about a report, and found it buried somewhere only because
 the reporter had a report number.  Most never get those when we
 report a problem to support..


 CE


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 From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:05 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window



 Not recently, Brian.

 It is common knowledge that the program is being transported from  the
 current VB6 to VB.Net, mainly so that utf8 coding can be used.

 Ron Ferguson
 _

 *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
 http://www.fergys.co.uk
 Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
 And the Fergusons of N.W. England
 


 Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
  after they port Legacy over to a new programming language.

 Did I fall asleep and miss something?


 Brian in CA


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 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:44 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Column Width on Assigned Sources window

 In a word, No.   Hopefully the programmers will be able to find a
 grid control which will retain the selected settings after they port
 Legacy over to a new programming language.

 And to re-emphasize what others have already written to you - please
 don't hijack a thread. When you have a new question not related to
 an ongoing thread, please send a new message to
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com

 Also, please give the listers time to respond.  They're scattered
 all over the world and may not see your message for several hours
 after you've posted it.

 Legacy support staff normally does not work on weekends.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



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 rngad...@madisontelco.com wrote:
 Is there a way to save the width settings on the columns once you
 resize them in the assigned source window?  I have to continuously
 widen them every time I open the source window so that I can see
 the source detail or I have to click edit to see it.  I couldn't
 find anything in Help about it.  I would like to be able to see
 them stay the same way so that I don't have to resize it every time
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Re: [LegacyUG] pre Oklahoma

2010-08-02 Thread Sherry/Support
Ok, - interesting discussion but it has gone beyond the scope of
entering Oklahoma in Legacy.  If you all wish to continue this
discussion on Oklahoma history, please do it off list.

Thanks,


Sincerely,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mail

2010-08-02 Thread Evert van Dijken
Adding the Legacy lists to your Contacts in Gmail might also correct
the problem (if the problem is the mail ending up in the Spam folder).
Evert

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:24 PM, marilyn E B marily...@gmail.com wrote:
 Donna, as another gmail user I would suggest checking your spam folder. I do
 not know why but sometimes LUG mail will wind up going to spam. If this is
 what happened, you can do one of two things: you can go into the filtering
 options and set LUG mail as NOT SPAM or you can check your spam daily and
 send the LUG mail back to your inbox. Usually a couple of days of doing this
 will correct the problem.
 I hope this helps.
 Marilyn

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and County Names

2010-08-02 Thread SalUDevil
There are even smaller areas that received nicknames over the years.   My
mom-in-law always referred to one area as the Patch.  On a census I  found,
on the left-hand column, a reference to Groves Patch.  I'm now using  that as
in ...Area, Township, County, State, Country.  It pinpoints  exactly where
they lived.

I've also started using defining words in names.  Such as:   Benjamin
Magnolia Wallick.  There are quite a few Benjamin Wallicks in my  line and by
inserting the city, Magnolia, where he lived, I know immediately  which one
he is.

Sally Miller Hindley

In a message dated 8/2/2010 11:20:25 AM Eastern  Daylight Time,
seh0...@gmail.com writes:
Brian:

This is an excellent  system I think I'll adopt.  I notice Slawson's
Getting it Right is  silent on this point, but provides examples that
use descriptors such as  City or County, especially when the city /
town and county share the same  name.  I adopted the four comma
approach when I switched to Legacy,  principally because I got better
verification from the GeoDB.  I'm now  of the opinion that the GeoDB be
damned, adding County or Township helps  avoid ambiguity.

I think the four comma approach is still a good  alternative, but the
straw that pushes me to modify it to an approach  similar to yours is
that I find it too common that the city is not often  known, and in
many cases may be the town or township.

For example, a  record for one of my ancestors may indicate an event
that took place in  Muncy, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania.  Is that
Muncy Borough or Muncy  Township?  How would you record it if you did
not know?

The trick  in getting this right is knowing each state's govermental
entity  hierarchy.  Having grown up in New York State, I am used to the
Village  inside a Town inside a County system.  For example, I grew up
just  outside of Shortsville, a small incorporated village in the town
of  Manchester, which is located in Ontario County.  Despite having  a
Shortsville mailing address and attedning the  Manchester-Shortsville
school system, I actually lived inside the neighboring  town of
Hopewell, within no incorporated village.  So, if one were  listing
where I spend my childhood, it would be:

Town of Hopewell,  Ontario County, New York, USA

While I could just say Hopewell and leave  off town, it would become
ambigous if I were referring to Manchester, the  neighboring town where
I went to school, as the Town of Manchester has within  it a village
also named Manchester.  So, like the Muncy example, clarity  come from
listing like this:

Village of Manchester (or just  Manchester), Town of Manchester,
Ontario County, New York, USA

But  here is the $64,000 question  the four comma approach says
city OR  town, county, state, country.  Is it then overkill to
consistently use a  five comma approach?   A month ago I might of said
yes, but now I  say no.

What do you think?

In Massachusetts, where I live now, the  system is similar, except
there are no incorporated villages or any  incorporated government
below the town level.  There are plenty of  unincorporated villages and
places, but the lowest level of government is the  town.  As with New
York, towns are within counties, although some  Massachusetts counties
have been disbanded and exist only for historical  geographic purposes
(such as Hampden County).  I currently live within  the Town of
Grafton, located in Worcester County.  Thus the listing  could be:

Grafton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA

Beacuse  there is nothing lower than Grafton, it is probably not
necessary to say  Town of Grafton.

But now we have state-by-state variation, and that  could get
confusing.  While Massachusetts is similar to Pennsylvania in  that the
town (MA) or township / borough (PA) is the lowest form of  government,
its different from that of NY, where villages are smaller that  towns.
So, although obvious, perhaps its better to say:

Town of  Grafton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA

which would align the  method with that of New York.

Thoughts?


Scott




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RE: [LegacyUG] Recommendations, please

2010-08-02 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Lana:

I have AniMap and find it invaluable in properly identifying US city/county 
locations where county lines changed frequently.  It's also extremely helpful 
in sorting out the early colonies which also moved their borders from time to 
time.  My version of AniMap is several years old and rather clunky to use, but 
it certainly saves a lot of time and headaches.

Kirsten


-Original Message-
From: Bain Family [mailto:rlcb...@gotsky.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Recommendations, please


I am seriously considering the purchase of AniMap and Heritage Collector to
compliment my Legacy software.  Has anyone already purchased either of these
(or something similar) and would make a recommendation pro or con?  Has it
been one of those things that you just can't live without, wouldn't ever
give it up, and think it's just the greatest?  Or is there something you
found that integrated better with Legacy?

Thank you,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and County Names

2010-08-02 Thread Evert van Dijken
3.  or if you're married to someone born there ;-)
Evert

2010/8/2 Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com:
 As I've read all the replies on this thread, I am thoroughly convinced of 
 three things.

 1.  The political subdivisions of the United States are nowhere near uniform. 
 Each state does as it pleases (which is what our Constitution stipulates).
 2.  Address location anywhere in the UK is only understood by someone born 
 there.
 3.  The state of New York has the most confusing addressing system anywhere 
 in the world.
 4.  I never understood math.


 Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Hall [mailto:seh0...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:19 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and County Names

 Brian:

 This is an excellent system I think I'll adopt.  I notice Slawson's
 Getting it Right is silent on this point, but provides examples that
 use descriptors such as City or County, especially when the city /
 town and county share the same name.  I adopted the four comma
 approach when I switched to Legacy, principally because I got better
 verification from the GeoDB.  I'm now of the opinion that the GeoDB be
 damned, adding County or Township helps avoid ambiguity.

 I think the four comma approach is still a good alternative, but the
 straw that pushes me to modify it to an approach similar to yours is
 that I find it too common that the city is not often known, and in
 many cases may be the town or township.

 For example, a record for one of my ancestors may indicate an event
 that took place in Muncy, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania.  Is that
 Muncy Borough or Muncy Township?  How would you record it if you did
 not know?

 The trick in getting this right is knowing each state's govermental
 entity hierarchy.  Having grown up in New York State, I am used to the
 Village inside a Town inside a County system.  For example, I grew up
 just outside of Shortsville, a small incorporated village in the town
 of Manchester, which is located in Ontario County.  Despite having a
 Shortsville mailing address and attedning the Manchester-Shortsville
 school system, I actually lived inside the neighboring town of
 Hopewell, within no incorporated village.  So, if one were listing
 where I spend my childhood, it would be:

 Town of Hopewell, Ontario County, New York, USA

 While I could just say Hopewell and leave off town, it would become
 ambigous if I were referring to Manchester, the neighboring town where
 I went to school, as the Town of Manchester has within it a village
 also named Manchester.  So, like the Muncy example, clarity come from
 listing like this:

 Village of Manchester (or just Manchester), Town of Manchester,
 Ontario County, New York, USA

 But here is the $64,000 question  the four comma approach says
 city OR town, county, state, country.  Is it then overkill to
 consistently use a five comma approach?   A month ago I might of said
 yes, but now I say no.

 What do you think?

 In Massachusetts, where I live now, the system is similar, except
 there are no incorporated villages or any incorporated government
 below the town level.  There are plenty of unincorporated villages and
 places, but the lowest level of government is the town.  As with New
 York, towns are within counties, although some Massachusetts counties
 have been disbanded and exist only for historical geographic purposes
 (such as Hampden County).  I currently live within the Town of
 Grafton, located in Worcester County.  Thus the listing could be:

 Grafton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA

 Beacuse there is nothing lower than Grafton, it is probably not
 necessary to say Town of Grafton.

 But now we have state-by-state variation, and that could get
 confusing.  While Massachusetts is similar to Pennsylvania in that the
 town (MA) or township / borough (PA) is the lowest form of government,
 its different from that of NY, where villages are smaller that towns.
 So, although obvious, perhaps its better to say:

 Town of Grafton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA

 which would align the method with that of New York.

 Thoughts?


 Scott





 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot
 br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:
 
  I'm glad to see that I'm in line with the general consensus here,
 namely to include the work County after the name of the county. I've
 observed that this practice has evolved somewhat over the past decade.
 Seems originally somebody thought the nice, clean method of City,
 County, State, (optional Country) was the prescribed method. But I
 immediately saw a problem in that many cities, townships, and counties
 all have the same name. For example, the city of Mudville, in Mudville
 Township, in Mudville County. When you run across some source that left
 out the critical location word and only provided Mudville, State or
 Mudville, Mudville, State (as in Ancestry's 1880 census reports),
 then are they talking 

[LegacyUG] AniMap was: Recommendations, please

2010-08-02 Thread Dee Ziegler
I second the applause for AniMap. (Available at LegacyFamilyTree store.) If
anyone wants to take a test drive, it's available (free) at most (all?)
Family History Centers of the LDS Church. The test drive convinced me that I
need it at home.

FWIW I probably use AniMap in a different way than computer-whiz people who
put their images into their programs. I just print out the maps that go with
my family's locations, and use them in notebooks. Maps are so interesting to
people who might otherwise have a (strange) lack of interest in their own
family's past.

Cheers, Dolly in Maryland


On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote:

 Lana:

 I have AniMap and find it invaluable in properly identifying US city/county
 locations where county lines changed frequently.  It's also extremely
 helpful in sorting out the early colonies which also moved their borders
 from time to time.  My version of AniMap is several years old and rather
 clunky to use, but it certainly saves a lot of time and headaches.

 Kirsten


 -Original Message-
 From: Bain Family [mailto:rlcb...@gotsky.com]
 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:39 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Recommendations, please


 I am seriously considering the purchase of AniMap and Heritage Collector to
 compliment my Legacy software.  Has anyone already purchased either of
 these
 (or something similar) and would make a recommendation pro or con?  Has it
 been one of those things that you just can't live without, wouldn't ever
 give it up, and think it's just the greatest?  Or is there something you
 found that integrated better with Legacy?

 Thank you,
 Lana










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[LegacyUG] Animap

2010-08-02 Thread circe
What exactly does Animap do? I Googled it and got a tiny picture of the
USA in the top corner of my screen with some eastern states coloured in
but with no explanation. Didn't see a FAQ, just a link to buy it.

How many countries does it map? Which ones?

Helen



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Re: [LegacyUG] AniMap was: Recommendations, please

2010-08-02 Thread Scott Hall
RE:  The Legacy store, is there any difference if we buy it from the
Legacy website or from the publisher's own website?  Does Legacy get a
portion of the sale price?  The prices are the same, so I wasn't sure.

Scott




On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Dee Ziegler dee.zieg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I second the applause for AniMap. (Available at LegacyFamilyTree store.) If 
 anyone wants to take a test drive, it's available (free) at most (all?) 
 Family History Centers of the LDS Church. The test drive convinced me that I 
 need it at home.

 FWIW I probably use AniMap in a different way than computer-whiz people who 
 put their images into their programs. I just print out the maps that go with 
 my family's locations, and use them in notebooks. Maps are so interesting to 
 people who might otherwise have a (strange) lack of interest in their own 
 family's past.

 Cheers, Dolly in Maryland
 

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote:

 Lana:

 I have AniMap and find it invaluable in properly identifying US city/county 
 locations where county lines changed frequently.  It's also extremely 
 helpful in sorting out the early colonies which also moved their borders 
 from time to time.  My version of AniMap is several years old and rather 
 clunky to use, but it certainly saves a lot of time and headaches.

 Kirsten


 -Original Message-
 From: Bain Family [mailto:rlcb...@gotsky.com]
 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:39 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Recommendations, please


 I am seriously considering the purchase of AniMap and Heritage Collector to
 compliment my Legacy software.  Has anyone already purchased either of these
 (or something similar) and would make a recommendation pro or con?  Has it
 been one of those things that you just can't live without, wouldn't ever
 give it up, and think it's just the greatest?  Or is there something you
 found that integrated better with Legacy?

 Thank you,
 Lana









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Re: [LegacyUG] Animap

2010-08-02 Thread Eliz Hanebury
http://www.goldbug.com/ANPLUSAD.html

It is animated and works thru the formation of states by date and is
VERY useful. The above site is full of information (the publisher *G*)




Eliz

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 4:18 PM,  ci...@treadles.ca wrote:
 What exactly does Animap do? I Googled it and got a tiny picture of the
 USA in the top corner of my screen with some eastern states coloured in
 but with no explanation. Didn't see a FAQ, just a link to buy it.

 How many countries does it map? Which ones?

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Re: [LegacyUG] pre Oklahoma

2010-08-02 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
In my family, they weren't there either, yet. But I would use the various 
'Nations' as before France/Spain had ownership. Some tribes were there before 
and others came from the east; so would try to find details on this. Rich in LA 
CA


--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote:

 From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] pre Oklahoma
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 2:55 AM
 On 2010/08/02 04:11, Mark Wilson
 wrote:
    On 01 Aug 2010 06:17 PM, Dennis
 Sutton wrote:
     How does one input pre Oklahoma, i.e;
 Indian Territory or the area
  that was once called Northwest Territory (before
 it was broken down into
  States)?
 
  Dennis
  Here's a short Oklahoma history lesson:
 
  First, France owned the territory.  Then
 skipping ahead after the
  Louisiana Purchase...
 

 Surely the French weren't there in the beginning :-)

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering siblings with unknown father

2010-08-02 Thread jay_ingalls
I almost always work from the pedigree view,  click on Edit, then Add
Father. Legacy provides a surname from the child, and the given name as
Unknown. Then go to the father, and add the other child or children.

Jay
- Original Message -
From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering siblings


Kathy,

If one uses blank instead of unknown, they are also grouped together. As
always, the choice is yours.

Ron Ferguson

Kathy Meyer wrote:
 I've always entered unknown simply because I didn't know this new
 trick; however, as I've read this thread and considered it, I think I
 will continue to use the unknown in the name field.  I kind of like
 that all of my unknown people are grouped together in the index so if
 I am looking for something fresh to work on, I can go there and see
 that there is indeed a lot of research work waiting to be done.  It's
 a visable reminder to me that there is a real person in that spot who
 would like to have their name found and included in their family tree.
  That said, I am grateful for this new information and I have followed
 it step by step and made sure that my settings are correct so that I
 can do this if I want to.

 Kathy




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[LegacyUG] Marriage Notes

2010-08-02 Thread Tom Herson
I am interested in finding a way to have Legacy print out a list of individuals 
in my family file who have Marriage Notes. A report which also contains the 
actual text the marriage notes, as well as the names of the individuals, would 
be extremely helpful.

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
ther...@twcny.rr.com


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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage Notes

2010-08-02 Thread Ron Ferguson
Tom,

Try SearchFindDetail Search. In the first box select Marriage then
Marriage Notes not Equal to Blank. Then Create and in the next screen select
Print.

Ron Ferguson
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*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England


- Original Message -
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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 02 August 2010 23:32
Subject: [LegacyUG] Marriage Notes


I am interested in finding a way to have Legacy print out a list of
individuals in my family file who have Marriage Notes. A report which also
contains the actual text the marriage notes, as well as the names of the
individuals, would be extremely helpful.

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
ther...@twcny.rr.com




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