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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with Check/Repair

2020-09-21 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

I second this idea.  I have a similar issue.  Creating a "Find A Grave 
Memorial" event works nicely.


Ciao,

Christopher

On 9/21/2020 8:59 AM, Brian Kelly wrote:

Richard,

I would use an Event named Find A Grave for the duplicate (or for both 
if you wish) and enter only one in the FindaGrave field on the 
Individual data screen.


I have a couple of legitimate duplicates in my file as well.

For one he died in WW II and is buried in a military cemetery in 
Holland but his parents also included him on their headstone in Quebec 
as a memorial. Both sites have FindaGrave memorial numbers. I suppose 
by FindaGrave rules only the Holland Cemetery is a legitimate memorial 
because it marks the location of his burial.


The other case is an aunt of my wife. She was cremated and, because of 
family squabbles, part of her ashes were buried with her husband in 
East Springfield, MA, USA while a second packet was transported to 
Nova Scotia and buried with her parents. In this case both FindaGrave 
memorial numbers mark her resting places.


Brian Kelly

On 21-Sep.-20 1:02 a.m., Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:

Roberta,
My cousin, #4, has one in a military cemetery also. I aim to find out 
which one he is really in but I'm not sure how to record both 
profiles so that Check/Repair doesn't mess with them.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Problems changing the size of the Legacy-window

2020-07-09 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

I have to chime in here, because I have an issue that now, after reading 
these posts, appears to be related.


I use 2 monitors, with the desktop extended.  When I try to move Legacy 
from one desktop to the other, and it snaps to full screen, but it snaps 
to full screen on the other display, not the one it was moved to.  Now 
it appears that Legacy is at fault, not me (and none of my other 
programs have this issue).  Definitely a programming issue.


CIao,

Christopher

On 7/9/2020 1:28 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
When windows 10 is set to display window contents when moving or 
sizing Legacy is asked to redraw its window each time the size 
changes. Legacy has to find the data to display for that redraw. For 
some people this means that Legacy redraws its window at the "old" 
size before the resizing. To the user it looks like the screen is 
snapping back to the original size.


1. Turning off the Windows setting to show contents lets the window 
resize before Windows asks Legacy to redraw. Since Legacy is not 
continually looking for data to display there is no interruption of 
the resizing and the redraw takes place when the window is at the new 
size.


2. Minimizing the current view in Legacy means only the outer frame is 
redrawn but not all the family data for the view. Since there is no 
data to find Legacy can redraw this while the resizing is ongoing so 
the resize can proceed.


Brian Kelly

On 09-Jul.-20 11:49 a.m., Loren L. Johns via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
On the other hand, I have the same problem, regardless of which of 
the three computers I use Windows 10. It often takes me ten tries to 
resize the window to where I want it.


I try dragging the border and it often begins to drag, but then pops 
back where it was ... or perhaps goes only 2% of the way.


I am glad for you, Alan, if you have not had this problem. I am sure 
others have.


I don't know what causes it.

Peace,
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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-12 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Brian,

You make an excellent point. I have had myriad data that I have imported 
from other sources where I have had to change capitalization errors due 
to all-caps to first-upper conversions. Example: Mccullough, Mccrory, 
and Mcnamee in my case.  These should be McCullough, McCrory, and 
McNamee. Computer conversions will easily change all-caps to first-cap, 
but they cannot handle the second cap prevalent in Irish and Scots names.

Christopher

On 5/11/2020 11:07 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
Not sure that there is any formal statement on use of mixed case 
surnames so here is my take on the change.

All Uppercase surnames are a holdover from the days BC (before 
computer) where genealogical records and reports were either hand 
written or typewritten. All Uppercase surnames were used to highlight 
and give emphasis to surnames making them more visible.

Nowadays it is so easy to have the computer change the display and/or 
output of surnames in all uppercase when needed that now it is just 
easier to use Initial Caps or mixed case in surnames and let the 
computer do the work of translation to uppercase when needed.

It is much more difficult to translate an all uppercase surname to 
mixed case because of surnames which have an internal uppercase letter 
like McKenzie, MacDougal VanGough etc. The computer cannot correctly 
change the case from uppercase to mixed case in those cases.

Brian Kelly

On 11-May-20 11:33 p.m., Terry Montgomery wrote:
Can someone tell me why the convention is NOT all-caps? I have just 
found it useful.

Terry Montgomery

On 12/05/2020 5:15 am, Tessa Keough wrote:
I say turn off the warning (as mentioned previously) AND you own 
your family tree(s) and those people are in your genealogy software 
(you own Legacy, it doesn't own you). If and when you want to share 
online or elsewhere and feel the need, you could switch over to 
Initial Cap for surname (or keep with All Cap). This is not one of 
the errors/problems like not using the correct date format so that 
internationally we all know what we are talking about - you do you!

/*Tessa Keough*/

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:38 AM Brian Kelly > wrote:

    You can turn off that warning for all by going to Tools > Potential
    Problems.

    Click on the Standardization tab and remove the check in the 
"Surname

    Entered in all uppercase" box

    Brian Kelly

    On 11-May-20 6:53 a.m., Gillian Hakli wrote:
    > Hello,
    >
    > I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
    Everything
    > is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
    telling me
    > that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
    be. I've
    > entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4. And
    clicked
    > on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
    still are.
    >
    > Please, can you help.
    >
    > Gillian
    >
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Re: [LegacyUG] uppercase surnames

2020-05-11 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

No judgement here, just something to think about - our genealogy data is 
not really ours.  It is a legacy for those to come after. I personally 
weigh my preferences against the "standard", keeping in mind that my 
data is there to be shared.  The more standard formats I can follow, the 
easier it is to share the data.


Christopher

On 5/11/2020 6:56 AM, gill...@saunalahti.fi wrote:
May be a convention as you say but I prefer to have them all 
uppercase, which is how they've happily been for years and years - 
until today.


On 11 May 2020 2:39 pm, Charles Hunt  wrote:

The convention is to enter surnames starting with uppercase and
rest of name lowercase. You can chose to show them as all uppercase.

Charles

On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 20:53, Gillian Hakli mailto:gill...@saunalahti.fi>> wrote:

Hello,

I tidied up my Legacy files, combining duplicates and so on.
Everything
is now fine except that I keep getting a red problem circle
telling me
that my surnames are all in uppercase. But they're supposed to
be. I've
entered them that way in Customise, Data Format 3.3 and 3.4.
And clicked
on Apply. I've exited Legacy and gone in again, but there they
still are.

Please, can you help.

Gillian


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Re: [LegacyUG] DNA

2020-04-13 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Thanks to everyone.  Sad to see that a non-feature was implemented.  It 
only gives the impression of something cool, with no substance.


With the advent of (relatively) inexpensive DNA tests, it really would 
be nice to have this feature working within the main data source of my 
genealogy research.


Thanks again to all for the responses.

Christopher

On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Dave Naylor wrote:
Years/versions ago I made many suggestions for DNA features to be 
added to Legacy but as a lone voice in the wilderness they were all 
ignored.  The current DNA features in Legacy are so out-of-date that 
they are worthless. There was never any benefit to putting all the STR 
values of a Y-DNA test into Legacy.  Millennia could have done far 
better.


One of the suggestions was to provide a choice for autosomal tests, so 
users could select this and in the Notes section show the testing 
company and other details such as GEDmatch kit number, etc.  This 
would then at least colour the DNA icon to show that a test had been 
taken.


Without this feature I've resorted to use of a "DNA test" event to 
record the details (but obviously not the data).
I also use a "DNA match" event to record who else in my tree this 
person matches (and vice versa).


I like Ward's suggestion of using hashtags for grouping but all my 
research in that area is performed on spreadsheets where the 
Triangulated Groups are more apparent.


Cheers! -- Dave N.


On 2020-04-13 10:09 a.m., Ward Walker wrote:
I don't think it is a matter of past and present, except perhaps in 
terms of popularity. The tests that have limited markers are the 
Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. These are still happening and can be very, 
very helpful in solving genealogy issues. The tests that have huge 
raw data sets are autosomal DNA. These have two purposes. Matches, 
with the help of triangulation, can help to identify common ancestors 
among people that have done their paper-trail research. The second 
purpose is the ethnicity estimates, which are still more art than 
science.


In Legacy, the DNA dialog has a menu for selecting which company did 
the Y-DNA or mtDNA test. Then you can record the marker values.


Personally, I don't use this. What I do use is hashtags to group 
together individuals whose DNA matches suggest a common ancestor.


  Ward

-Original Message- From: Brian Kelly
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:33 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] DNA

When DNA results entries were added to Legacy the style of DNA testing
being done by the various companies was different.

They tested and returned values for a very limited number of points on
the DNA molecule. If you open the DNA section and choose one of the
tests you will see how few values were tested. Nowadays all the
companies are doing a style of test that returns literally thousands of
values, the raw data from these tests is Megabytes of data, way too much
to manually transcribe.

Brian Kelly

On 12-Apr.-20 10:53 p.m., Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:
I know this has been a while, but confusion still abounds. Within 
Legacy, there is a place to manually enter DNA results into a 
person's record. The only problem is that the available fields do 
not match the data. You state that the only thing we can do with DNA 
is attach the file in the Media gallery.  Why is there a place to 
enter the DNA results, if we can't enter the DNA results?  Anyone 
have a clue about this?


Thanks!

Christopher 




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Re: [LegacyUG] DNA

2020-04-12 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

I know this has been a while, but confusion still abounds. Within 
Legacy, there is a place to manually enter DNA results into a person's 
record.  The only problem is that the available fields do not match the 
data.  You state that the only thing we can do with DNA is attach the 
file in the Media gallery.  Why is there a place to enter the DNA 
results, if we can't enter the DNA results?  Anyone have a clue about this?


Thanks!

Christopher

On 5/22/2019 2:06 PM, Michele Lewis wrote:
The only thing you can do with your raw DNA in regard to Legacy is to 
attach the file in the person’s Media Gallery.


On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 14:52 Robert O. LaBonte Sr. via 
LegacyUserGroup > wrote:


Hello, I received my DNA results from Ancestry.com. I have the
Deluxe version at Legacy 9. My problem is I downloaded my Raw DNA
to a notebook. I would like to know how to apply this to my Legacy
Family Tree? Somebody please help me.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

2020-03-12 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Ronald, I would disagree. Ignoring a problem, or pretending that a 
problem doesn't make you want to use a different solution, doesn't fix 
the problem.  If Dennis is expressing that this issue is bothersome 
enough to make him consider using a different product, knowing that I am 
not the only one feeling that way helps me, and is hardly a waste of 
time. Telling someone that they are wasting your time by complaining 
about issues is non-productive, and does not offer a solution.


On 3/12/2020 2:18 PM, Ronald Bernier via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Dennis, please, change if you are unhappy with Legacy, but don’t waste 
your time or ours by repeatedly telling us you are going to change. 
 Your complaining has NOTHING to do with the original question.


Sent from ProtonMail Mobile


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:09 PM, Dennis Holtby > wrote:
That’s why I’m considering changing. I”ve never found an easy way to 
do it. I’ve always had to do a back-up/restore to move data between 
computers.


Dennis

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:57 AM Gary Crull 
mailto:treeclimber1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi everybody,

I'm taking a little survey if you'll participate.

What app do you use to 'sync' Legacy between your MAIN computer
and a SECONDARY computer?

What do you feel is the advantage of your choice vs another app?


Gary
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Re: [LegacyUG] American Places

2020-02-19 Thread Christopher Seward Sr

Trevor,
The US Census has one here:
https://www.census.gov/geographies/mapping-files/time-series/geo/tiger-geodatabase-file.html

Ciao
Christopher

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 1:40 PM Trevor Good  wrote:

> Hi to my American Friends
>
> I'm down here in little New Zealand reading with interest the recent
> discussions on American "Cities" "Counties" etc, etc, and the many
> versions of how a particular place is named, if some of you are
> confused, you can imagine where I'm coming from.
> Was wondering if there was a digital record somewhere of all American
> place names that one could look up for an accepted place name which I
> could use in my Genealogy Research. I have tried Google but just get
> more confused.
>
> Regards
> Trevor
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

2020-02-18 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Robin,

I typically indicate those as:

/Baltimore County, Maryland, USA/

This, to me, indicates that they live within a county, but not inside of 
any incorporated town or city. I use this if I know for a fact that they 
did not live within a city or town, otherwise, if the town is unknown, I 
indicate it this way:


/, Baltimore, Maryland, USA/

This shows that I do not know exactly in which city or town they lived.

This is keeping in mind that I work backward on the locations, where the 
last term is the Country, then the State, then the County, then the City 
or Town.


So, if I knew someone was from Maryland, but didn't know the county or 
city, I would note it as:


/, , Maryland, USA/

All of these formats I use have been show to be compatible with Legacy's 
Geo database.


Ciao,

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:11 PM, Robin McCarthy wrote:


Christopher,

This looks like a great solution. Along those lines, how would you 
record and independent county in Legacy so as to avoid a similar 
confusion with those? Would you put


/(Independent County), county name, state, USA/


This has been a very informative discussion. I had no idea there were 
independent cities and counties.


Thanks everyone!
Robin


 Original message 
From: "Christopher Seward Sr." 
Date: 2/18/20 3:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my entries.  
I ha found that using this format suites my needs in properly 
identifying that it is an independent city, but also making it easy to 
differentiate it from being an actual place name:


/Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA/

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but the 
parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the county.  
This also lets people know that you didn't leave the county field blank.


Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'. 
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?

Thanks
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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

2020-02-18 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Yes, Baltimore wasfirst established by the Constitution of Maryland as 
anindependent cityin 1729.


On 2/18/2020 7:52 PM, Shirley Crampton wrote:

Was Baltimore an independent city in 1832?
Shirley

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:53 PM Christopher Seward Sr. 
mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my
entries.  I ha found that using this format suites my needs in
properly identifying that it is an independent city, but also
making it easy to differentiate it from being an actual place name:

/Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA/

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but
the parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the
county.  This also lets people know that you didn't leave the
county field blank.

Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:

The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'. 
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?
Thanks
Margaret

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Re: [LegacyUG] Independent Cities

2020-02-18 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Coming from Baltimore, Maryland, I have this in a LOT of my entries.  I 
ha found that using this format suites my needs in properly identifying 
that it is an independent city, but also making it easy to differentiate 
it from being an actual place name:


/Baltimore, (Independent City), Maryland, USA/

This puts the term "Independent City" in place of the county, but the 
parentheses indicate that it is not the actual name of the county.  This 
also lets people know that you didn't leave the county field blank.


Hope this helps!

Christopher

On 2/18/2020 11:57 AM, Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
The state of Virginia has a good number of 'Independent Cities'.  
Would someone please tell me how to properly record them?

Thanks
Margaret

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reset Green-Green Arrows in Legacy FamilySearch

2020-01-27 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

I don't even see an Update Matches listed in the help file, much less in 
the program.  Where can I find that?


On 1/27/2020 6:26 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:

Scott,

I think you may get the red arrows back or at least the FS arrow if 
you click Update Matches and choose Check linked individuals for 
changes in FamilySearch.


Cathy

Scott Hall wrote:


I erroneously had Legacy FamilySearch update some individuals who were
not in Sync (thus red-green, green-red, or red-red) to in Sync
(green-green).  Is there a way to have Legacy FamilySearch reset
this?  No actual data is changing in either LFT or LFS, I just need to
either tell the program to reconsider all individuals in sync, or
reset the arrows entirely.

I tried deleting the .fs file hoping I could "start over", but to no
avail.

Thanks,
Scott



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Re: [LegacyUG] New feature!

2020-01-23 Thread Christopher Seward Sr

Mine were. All things being the same outside of the update,  I would have
to conclude that it had something to do with it.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 9:36 AM Brian Kelly  wrote:

> No. None of my links to people in FamilySearch were affected by the new
> version.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> On 23-Jan.-20 9:51 a.m., Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:
> > Is this "new feature" what's responsible for most of my links to people
> > in FamilySearch being gone today?
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] New feature!

2020-01-23 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Is this "new feature" what's responsible for most of my links to people 
in FamilySearch being gone today?


On 1/22/2020 2:48 PM, Michele Lewis wrote:
The developers have added a new feature to the Legacy FamilySearch 
interface. Check it out!


https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2020/01/familysearch-filter.html

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[LegacyUG] LDS Baptism is Missing

2019-12-10 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Group,

All of a sudden (within the last week or so), nearly every record 
(10,000) in my file shows a message (!) that the LDS Baptism is 
missing.  Having made no changes to my file in some time (only opened 
for viewing), I am certain that something has changed in the program (or 
it's link to Family Search?).  Is anyone aware of any changes that may 
have caused this, and how to get rid of all those exclamation points?


Thanks,

Christopher


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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

2019-11-24 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

And those manifests were used to fill out Passenger Arrival Lists (what 
I and others refer to as ledgers).  This comes directly from the Ellis 
Island website.


I'm not sure why people are so passionate about stating that these 
errors never happened, when indeed they did, even according to those who 
made them.


This should be about encouraging people to be creative about their 
research, not limiting it.


Thanks,

Christopher (genealogist for 40+ years)

On 11/23/2019 2:56 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:



First, the name was not changed at Ellis Island. The manifests were 
made in the country that they departed from. They probably made the 
change themselves to make the name easier to pronounce and spell. They 
may have done it legally, [through the courts] but more likely they 
just started to use the new spelling.


I'm using Legacy 8 and there is an AKA (4th logo from the right) it 
looks like a group of people. You can add the name that they used in 
Italy or the one used in the US, your choice. You can cite the source 
(census, birth record, marriage record, etc) for each individual time 
you find the name. Then use the other name in database.


Marie

Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
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genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name 
is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.
In a message dated 11/23/2019 2:53:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
cathyv...@cox.net writes:


My great grandfather had the surname Vallevegni in Italy.

When the family immigrated to the U.S. it changed to Vallevieni which
they used from then on (probably changed at Ellis Island).

How should I enter 2 surnames in Legayc?

-- 
Cathy Vallevieni

714 389-6374 Home
714 227-4948 Cell

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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated ;-)

2019-11-24 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Excellent advice, Linda!

On 11/24/2019 7:21 AM, Linda Greethurst wrote:
When I started my genealogical research many years ago, I was told to 
ignore spelling (one s or double s; D or T; -son or -sen; kn or just 
n; etc).  Say the name out loud - if it sounds familiar, consider it 
and research it.  Best lesson I learned.
The reason was that the average person before 1880 usually got no more 
than an 8th grade education and more likely only 5th grade.  Spelling 
was not a top priority.  Don't get hung up on spelling and which 
version is correct.
Sure enough - I have a legal document with the main person's surname 
spelled 5 different ways.

Linda

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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

2019-11-23 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

The first one you listed is the one that mentions that the Inspectors 
would make changes of what they perceived to be errors.  You've made my 
point.
The others you listed are articles by people who have made the same 
assumptions you made.  I have interviewed people who came through Ellis 
Island who have told me these stories.  One Carlo Pietropinto, who had 
his name changed by one of the inspectors whose assumed that his named 
was really Carlos Pietro Pinto.  His family in Italy is known as 
Pietropinto.  His family here in the US is known as Pinto.  Clearly 
(because he told me) not his choice.


I can also point to a family (I interviewed them personally)  who came 
through EI.  There names where Salvatore, Nicola, Antonetta, 
Pasqualina.  The inspectors tried to encourage them to change there 
names to Samuel, Ncholas, Anna, and Pauline.  They refused.


These this did indeed go on.  I'm not sure why so many people suspend 
belief in facts and refuse to believe that people at Ellis Island could 
possibly make mistakes.  It is very important in the Genealogy world 
that we not rule out such possibilities, and understand that the 
surnames they are looking for could have been changed at Ellis Island.  
Encourage them to look at that possibility and think maybe they should 
look for different surnames than the ones they are hitting roadblocks on.


You can point to all the blogs you want, but I will take it from those 
who were there, and saw this first hand, and told me with their own tongues.


I mean no disrespect.  I just think that trying to deny that this 
actually happened can discourage people from doing a more creative 
search to find ancestors that they might not otherwise find.


Christopher

On 11/23/2019 3:16 PM, Laura Johnson wrote:
the so called ledgers were the ships manifests - those were done at 
the port of departure.


Here are a few good articles to let you know what really happened

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/ask-smithsonian-did-ellis-island-officials-really-change-names-immigrants-180961544/ 



https://www.genealogy.com/articles/research/88_donna.html

https://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/02/name-changes-ellis-island

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/04/29/ellis-island-names/


On 11/23/2019 3:06 PM, Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:


Marie,

I would disagree with that first statement.  In my years of doing 
research, I have heard stories where the workers at Ellis Island 
entered names into the ledgers incorrectly.  If they were unable to 
discern the name from the ships manifest, they would of write down 
the names as THEY understood the passengers.  I have examples in my 
own family where a Braun from Prussia was listed as Brown because the 
person at intake determined that the immigrant should "Americanize" 
their name.


As for the second part of your statement...I agree.  I do believe 
that the AKA field i the best place to notate that.


Ciao,
Christopher

On 11/23/2019 2:56 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:



First, the name was not changed at Ellis Island. The manifests were 
made in the country that they departed from. They probably made the 
change themselves to make the name easier to pronounce and spell. 
They may have done it legally, [through the courts] but more likely 
they just started to use the new spelling.


I'm using Legacy 8 and there is an AKA (4th logo from the right) it 
looks like a group of people. You can add the name that they used in 
Italy or the one used in the US, your choice. You can cite the 
source (census, birth record, marriage record, etc) for each 
individual time you find the name. Then use the other name in database.


Marie

Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
__ __ __
CG or Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for 
Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified 
genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board 
name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.
In a message dated 11/23/2019 2:53:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
cathyv...@cox.net writes:


    My great grandfather had the surname Vallevegni in Italy.

    When the family immigrated to the U.S. it changed to Vallevieni
    which
    they used from then on (probably changed at Ellis Island).

    How should I enter 2 surnames in Legayc?

    --     Cathy Vallevieni
    714 389-6374 Home
    714 227-4948 Cell

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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

2019-11-23 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

You're entitled.  I will say that I have interviewed people who will 
attest to my statements.  Also, an investigative article by the 
Smithsonian found that inspectors would sometimes correct what they felt 
to be spelling errors on the ships' manifests.  If they admitted that 
they did it, I will assume that it happened.


On 11/23/2019 3:13 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
orry, but I disagree with that statement. The people at Ellis Island 
only checked off the names. The names were entered at the departure. 
The time that Ellis Island staff entered the names where as detained 
aliens. The manifest's were made 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

2019-11-23 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Marie,

I would disagree with that first statement.  In my years of doing 
research, I have heard stories where the workers at Ellis Island entered 
names into the ledgers incorrectly.  If they were unable to discern the 
name from the ships manifest, they would of write down the names as THEY 
understood the passengers.  I have examples in my own family where a 
Braun from Prussia was listed as Brown because the person at intake 
determined that the immigrant should "Americanize" their name.


As for the second part of your statement...I agree.  I do believe that 
the AKA field i the best place to notate that.


Ciao,
Christopher

On 11/23/2019 2:56 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:



First, the name was not changed at Ellis Island. The manifests were 
made in the country that they departed from. They probably made the 
change themselves to make the name easier to pronounce and spell. They 
may have done it legally, [through the courts] but more likely they 
just started to use the new spelling.


I'm using Legacy 8 and there is an AKA (4th logo from the right) it 
looks like a group of people. You can add the name that they used in 
Italy or the one used in the US, your choice. You can cite the source 
(census, birth record, marriage record, etc) for each individual time 
you find the name. Then use the other name in database.


Marie

Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
__ __ __
CG or Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for 
Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified 
genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name 
is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.
In a message dated 11/23/2019 2:53:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
cathyv...@cox.net writes:


My great grandfather had the surname Vallevegni in Italy.

When the family immigrated to the U.S. it changed to Vallevieni which
they used from then on (probably changed at Ellis Island).

How should I enter 2 surnames in Legayc?

-- 
Cathy Vallevieni

714 389-6374 Home
714 227-4948 Cell

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

2019-10-15 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Trevor,

Don't automatically assume something is wrong.  My brothers are shown as 
my 4th cousins, once-removed.  Turns out that my great-great 
grandparents were 1st cousins.


Christopher

On 10/15/2019 4:23 PM, Trevor Good wrote:

Hi Everyone

I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife 
is showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she 
was my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.

Trevor



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Re: [LegacyUG] Windows update

2019-09-02 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Andrew,

You were directing the conversation. I thought maybe we had a new 
moderator.  Just wondering.


On 9/2/2019 1:51 PM, Andrew Robbie wrote:

No, why do you ask?


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Seward Sr.
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 12:06 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Windows update

Andrew, are you a moderator?

On 9/1/2019 12:20 PM, Andrew Robbie wrote:

Excuse me...

This forum is to HELP Legacy users, not complain about how people choose to use 
their PERSONAL computers...

Back on topic PLEASE!

A

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From: LegacyUserGroup  On
Behalf Of gbh
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:53 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Windows update

You seem to have missed the whole point! As usual.

I would NEVER leave my computer on all the time. When I use it, I turn it on. 
When I am done, I shut it down. I can't afford to keep it on all the time!!

I have always set all my settings to NOT do any updates without first notifying 
me. These last two just did it on their own, and have wiped out all my files. 
That is so very wrong! All my data on the family files which has taken me years 
to gather are cleaned out. I have nothing now! Do you think I have enough time 
to start over again? I did make backips as I should, but they have disappeared 
as well. I do have some backups from 2017, and may just have to work with that, 
but it's a real disappointment.

I tried to do a Restore tonight. And it ran for six hours, but got nowhere, and 
now I can't even find what I had before. It's destroyed all my settings, 
programs, and files. There is no recourse. I am done!

Thanks for your help [sort of] Cathy, but don't bother.

TG



Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 at 7:13 PM
From: "Cathy Pinner" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Windows update

I agree with Ian.
Windows 10 is great but as with anything you need to learn how to
control it and spend some time learning how to use this major tool.

There's no point in complaining that Windows updates without asking
when you haven't taken the time to learn how update works and chosen
your options to control it.

I think leaving your computer on overnight and letting Windows update
when it feels like is madness as you probably just walk away from
your computer leaving programs open. It is automatically set to
update outside of your Active hours. I set my Active Hours to cover
the time my computer is on.
I also set to get notifications of updates and when I get a
notification I decide when it updates. At a convenient time later
that day I close all programs and click to restart.
With the current options there is one: Restart this device as soon as
possible when a restart is required to install an update ...
I don't know if that is on by default. I have it off.

With Windows 10 1903 you can choose to delay an update for a period
of time. Go to the settings > update and security and choose your options.

If you must leave your computer on 24/7 make sure you shut down most
programs and especially Legacy. Windows auto shutdown and restart
does not seem to close Legacy properly - perhaps because of the
backup on exit dialogue. This at least seems to mess with the Legacy settings.

I also use the Windows Security rather than another security package.
I used to use other packages but knew when I first started using
Windows
10 that there were problems with the major feature update pending and
other security packages and advice was to uninstall, do the update
and then reinstall so I delayed installing. I would think those
problems are all sorted ages ago but I decided to stay just with the
Windows Security and once a week I scan with Malwarebytes. When
Malwarebytes updates I use the free trial time for the full package.
Occasionally I'll use other security software scanners. But they've never found 
anything.
Windows Security occasionally finds and blocks something.

Cathy

Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> Saturday, 31 August 2019
7:24 AM

(Off-topic)

I am a strong defender of Windows 10.

With major feature updates, Windows 10 _does_ remove some settings.
For example, I set a number of additional “right-click” menus for
Windows Explorer, using registry changes. Annoyingly, I have to
re-establish these periodically. Another – also dependent on my
intentional registry change – is my preference for an older image
file viewer of Microsoft’s, called _Windows Photo Viewer_. It was
removed from Windows some versions ago, before Windows 10, and each
Windows 10 Update “makes it disappear” on my computers.

But things being _moved into OneDrive_ are – in my experience with
fault-remedies for other people – usually due to simple mistakes
such as copying/dragging with the mouse, done inadvertent by the
user but not the fault of either OneDrive installation nor of a
Windows system update. User “slips” and “thi

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-07 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Just an interjection - the standard is that the last 4 fields of the
location are "city, county, state, country". It s also standard to use
other data in front of those 4 (e.g. neighborhood, school district,
etc). It's the last 4 that location services look at.

On 8/6/2019 10:26 PM, Jerry wrote:

In my opinion, we should be cognizant of the fact our records are
going to be seen all over the globe. Therefore, *IN* would never be
acceptable to me - just my opinion. And by utilizing

, , Indiana, United States (of America not needed, but USA
is also an abbreviation and should be avoided, in my opinion, and easy
to fix with a FIND AND REPLACE in Legacy.)

This allows the index system to *PERFECTLY* sort your records by every
criteria (city, county, state, country) or equivalent. Without this
consistency, you will never get well designed indices (indexes) for
your records, particularly if you have a website. Thanks for listening!

Jerry Boor
https://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 08/03/2019 15:07, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
What does not make sense is seeing something like: , , , Indiana,
United States of America. when a simple IN would do. Or: , , ,
Berlin, Democratic Republic of Germany. You can find whatever
available record in Berlin today regardless if it was Prussia,
Imperial Germany, Natzi Germany, East Germany or West Germany or
Occupied American Sector, French Sector, or British Sector, or
Federal Rpublic of Germany. This junk belongs in the notes not in
the primary entry.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎03‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎22‎:‎00‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,
Christopher Seward Sr wrote:

James, I understand where you're coming from. I just think that
handling data in a manner that deviates from the standard is inviting
data integrity issues. As I said, the choice is yours. Just be aware
of the lasting issues it will cause for those who come after.

Christopher

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

Exactly my point. Putting historical location in the notes
maintains all the information one needs and still be sensible and
useful to family members. If people import information without
looking at the notes, then they are not being a good genealogist.
It tells me that they just copy things for numbers, not for
reliable and useful information to share.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎02‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎51‎:‎50‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Bill
Hoff mailto:bh...@mchsi.com>> wrote:

Then one cannot find on a map if historic locations used. With
many relatives in West Virginia I have this problem. WV did not
become a state until June 20, 1863. On top of that many counties
within the state were divided over many years, far too many for
me to recall them all. Then there is the problem of knowing
locations but not dates so one cannot be certain of entries
Bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr.
mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if
you publish & share this information, your method goes against
the standard, and can cause issues.

An example for me was importing a person's info into my file. I
kept getting import errors stating the the location (birth place)
did not exist on that date (birth date). Now I have an issue,
since this place not only didn't exist when this person was born,
but when it did exist, it was in a different country than when he
was born, thus making him appear to be of one heritage, but was
actually another.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting
the current name of the location in the notes.

On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with
want to know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no
regard for history, and those who know their history, already
know what the original name is. Looking for documents, the
current place will know what jurisdiction they once were
governed by. It is all about being usable for current people.
Otherwise, we would all be recording everying in Latin like they
once did.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎22‎:‎29‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
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<mailto:sarrazingeo

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-07 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

Jerry,

Great idea. However, I would offer one change to your suggestion.
Since the standard Location field IS the Historic location, an alternate
location field called "Present Day Location" or "Modern Location" would
solve the issue you bring up without changing the standard that is now
in place. Your suggestion would require that, in order to make data
interchangeable, everyone who currently follows the standard would have
to update their already published data.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if the modern name changes, it
would require additional updates to keep the data current.

Christopher

On 8/6/2019 10:17 PM, Jerry wrote:

I know some people are diehard at using only historical location
names, but if you use a website as we do, your location indices are
going to look like a jumbled mess. If you ALWAYS use a totally
standard location scheme such as Legacy recommends (city, county,
state, country) or equivalent four-location fields, you are going to
have a really good and easy to follow index system.

If you insist on using the historic location and you are concerned
persons will miss adjacent NOTES stating the historical changes in
names or jurisdictions, then why not use an *ALTERNATE LOCATION NAME*
(call it Historic Location or whatever)? That way both location names
are automatically included without a person having to look up a note
that might not automatically appear.

Jerry Boor
https://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 08/03/2019 09:42, sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:

Christopher

I agree with you.

My suggestion of putting the present name between curly brackets
after the referenced location name is simply an easy way to translate
old location name into present day name and it is accepted by the
different Gedcom programs.

Georges

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la part de* Christopher Seward Sr

*Envoyé :* 3 août 2019 09:21
*À :* Legacy User Group
*Objet :* Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

Christopher

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen

8108 Laura Lynne Lane

Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell

317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎02‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎51‎:‎50‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Bill
Hoff mailto:bh...@mchsi.com>> wrote:

Bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr.
mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if
you publish & share this information, your method goes against
the standard, and can cause issues.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting
the current name of the location in the notes.

On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with
want to know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no
regard for history, and those who know their history, already
know what the original name is. Looking for documents, the
current place will know what jurisdiction they once were governed
by. It is all about being usable for current people. Otherwise,
we would all be recording everying in Latin like they once did.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen

8108 Laura Lynne Lane

Indianapolis, IN 46217

Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

2019-08-05 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.


Steve,

Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person on 
the census.


My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in the 
list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  It 
just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker stopped 
there.  He is listed on both records.


All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
record of the person's residence.


Christopher

On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

Legacy 9 Census vs residence
*Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
residence*
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
preferred thru the Legacy User Group

IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
Is they a way to change all residence to census.
Thanks
Steve Ostheimer




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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-04 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

James,

As I said before, you are free to enter your data as you wish, but you
will cause a world of confusion for those who find your information when
you're gone. It's obvious from your posts that your views on data are
different than the normal and established standards.

Your insinuation that I am not a "true" genealogist because I don't
enter information the way you think it should be entered is a
disrespectful, and shows an immaturity that I am not willing to
entertain. I will bow out of this discussion.

Enjoy!
Christopher

On 8/4/2019 5:20 AM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Your example does not make much sense. A true genealogist would use
the borough name if in the city, the town if on long Island, and NY.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎03‎, ‎2019‎ ‎10‎:‎02‎:‎53‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:

James,

It makes perfect sense. "New York" - is that New York City, New York
County, or New York State?

New York ,,,USA would be city

,New York ,,USA would be county

,,New York ,USA would be state

If you can tell which one someone meant by just entering "New York",
you need to play the lottery immediately. LOL

For those of us who are NOT psychic, please use that proper standard,
and put what ever you please in the notes.

My humble opinion - tempered with 35+ years of experience as a
professional genealogist.

Christopher

On 8/3/2019 2:07 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
What does not make sense is seeing something like: , , , Indiana,
United States of America. when a simple IN would do. Or: , , ,
Berlin, Democratic Republic of Germany. You can find whatever
available record in Berlin today regardless if it was Prussia,
Imperial Germany, Natzi Germany, East Germany or West Germany or
Occupied American Sector, French Sector, or British Sector, or
Federal Rpublic of Germany. This junk belongs in the notes not in the
primary entry.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎03‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎22‎:‎00‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,
Christopher Seward Sr
<mailto:csewar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Christopher

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎02‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎51‎:‎50‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Bill
Hoff mailto:bh...@mchsi.com>> wrote:

Then one cannot find on a map if historic locations used. With
many relatives in West Virginia I have this problem. WV did not
become a state until June 20, 1863. On top of that many counties
within the state were divided over many years, far too many for me
to recall them all. Then there is the problem of knowing locations
but not dates so one cannot be certain of entries
Bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr.
mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if you
publish & share this information, your method goes against the
standard, and can cause issues.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting
the current name of the location in the notes.

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-03 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

James,

It makes perfect sense. "New York" - is that New York City, New York
County, or New York State?

New York ,,,USA would be city

,New York ,,USA would be county

,,New York ,USA would be state

If you can tell which one someone meant by just entering "New York", you
need to play the lottery immediately. LOL

For those of us who are NOT psychic, please use that proper standard,
and put what ever you please in the notes.

My humble opinion - tempered with 35+ years of experience as a
professional genealogist.

Christopher

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎03‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎22‎:‎00‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,
Christopher Seward Sr wrote:

Christopher

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎02‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎51‎:‎50‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Bill
Hoff mailto:bh...@mchsi.com>> wrote:

Then one cannot find on a map if historic locations used. With
many relatives in West Virginia I have this problem. WV did not
become a state until June 20, 1863. On top of that many counties
within the state were divided over many years, far too many for me
to recall them all. Then there is the problem of knowing locations
but not dates so one cannot be certain of entries
Bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr.
mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if you
publish & share this information, your method goes against the
standard, and can cause issues.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting
the current name of the location in the notes.

On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with
want to know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no
regard for history, and those who know their history, already know
what the original name is. Looking for documents, the current
place will know what jurisdiction they once were governed by. It
is all about being usable for current people. Otherwise, we would
all be recording everying in Latin like they once did.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎22‎:‎29‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
sarrazingeor...@gmail.com <mailto:sarrazingeor...@gmail.com>
<mailto:sarrazingeor...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think one should always the name of a location the way it is
indicated in the documentation.

If the name has change or if two locations have been merge, I use
curly brackets with the new name after the old name.

Ex. Romorantin {Romorantin-Lanthenay}, 41194, Loir-et-Cher,
Centre-Val de Loire, France

(Note : I use 5 fields)

Georges

*De :*LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun.

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-03 Thread Christopher Seward Sr

James, I understand where you're coming from. I just think that handling
data in a manner that deviates from the standard is inviting data integrity
issues. As I said,  the choice is yours. Just be aware of the lasting
issues it will cause for those who come after.

Christopher

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup <
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:

> Exactly my point.  Putting historical location in the notes maintains all
> the information one needs and still be sensible and useful to family
> members.  If people import information without looking at the notes, then
> they are not being a good genealogist.   It tells me that they just copy
> things for numbers, not for reliable and useful information to share.
>
> Hoosierly yours,
>
> James G. Hermsen
> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane
> Indianapolis, IN 46217
>
> 317-679-1466 cell
> 317-881-4600 land line
>
>
> On ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎02‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎51‎:‎50‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Bill Hoff <
> bh...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> Then one cannot find on a map if historic locations used. With many
> relatives in West Virginia I have this problem. WV did not become a state
> until June 20, 1863.  On top of that many counties within the state were
> divided over many years, far too many for me to recall them all. Then there
> is the problem of knowing locations but not dates so one cannot be certain
> of entries
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr. 
> wrote:
>
> You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if you publish
> & share this information, your method goes against the standard, and can
> cause issues.
>
> An example for me was importing a person's info into my file.  I kept
> getting import errors stating the the location (birth place) did not exist
> on that date (birth date).  Now I have an issue, since this place not only
> didn't exist when this person was born, but when it did exist, it was in a
> different country than when he was born, thus making him appear to be of
> one heritage, but was actually another.
>
> I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting the
> current name of the location in the notes.
> On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
>
> Yes, but in the notes.  Most people I share my information with want to
> know where the place is now.  They, like Trump, have no regard for history,
> and those who know their history, already know what the original name is.
> Looking for documents, the current place will know what jurisdiction they
> once were  governed by.  It is all about being usable for current people.
> Otherwise, we would all be recording everying in Latin like they once did.
>
> Hoosierly yours,
>
> James G. Hermsen
> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane
> Indianapolis, IN 46217
>
> 317-679-1466 cell
> 317-881-4600 land line
>
>
> On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎22‎:‎29‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
> sarrazingeor...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
>
>
> I think one should always the name of a location the way it is indicated
> in the documentation.
>
> If the name has change or if two locations have been merge, I use curly
> brackets with the new name after the old name.
>
> Ex.  Romorantin {Romorantin-Lanthenay}, 41194, Loir-et-Cher, Centre-Val de
> Loire, France
>
> (Note : I use 5 fields)
>
>
>
> Georges
>
>
>
> *De :* LegacyUserGroup 
>  *De la part de* James G.
> Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
> *Envoyé :* 1 août 2019 09:26
> *À :* mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup 
> 
> *Cc :* James G. Hermsen  
> *Objet :* Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania
>
>
>
> I always use the current geographic location and name today in each entry
> and in the notes, remark that the geographic name and country was different
> then than it is today.  That way when a grandchild (or anyone) wants to
> find the place on a map is able to do so.  Prussia is very hard to find, if
> you did not know where to look. Same thing with names of cities whose name
> has changed.  Stalingrad, Linengrad don't make sense for someone born after
> the Cold War.   Peking vs. Bejing.  Same thing.
>
>
>
> Hoosierly yours,
>
>
>
> James G. Hermsen
>
> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane
>
> Indianapolis, IN 46217
>
>
>
> 317-679-1466 cell
>
> 317-881-4600 land line
>
>
>
>
>
> On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎43‎:‎54‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, mvmcgrs---
> via LegacyUserGroup  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I hope you are not inserting the the added information if it is not in the
> document.  The jurisdictions change over time. In the US what was a county
>

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-02 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

This has nothing to do with mass imports. If someone posts information
that you don't already have, how can you know that it's not being
recorded correctly? You don't. That's why we have standards; so that
when we share information, we have consistency in data fields, and know
what to expect.

Again, you have every right to store your data anyway you wish. Just
keep in mind that if you intend to share this information, you are
causing issues for those you share it with who follow the standards.

And...what does Trump have to do with Genealogy? LOL

On 8/2/2019 5:27 AM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I recommend never to mass import other peoples work. I am careful
enough to know and understand exactly what I import from online.
Manually importing the information, one knows his information.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎16‎:‎01‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if you
publish & share this information, your method goes against the
standard, and can cause issues.

An example for me was importing a person's info into my file. I kept
getting import errors stating the the location (birth place) did not
exist on that date (birth date). Now I have an issue, since this
place not only didn't exist when this person was born, but when it did
exist, it was in a different country than when he was born, thus
making him appear to be of one heritage, but was actually another.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting the
current name of the location in the notes.

On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with want
to know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no regard for
history, and those who know their history, already know what the
original name is. Looking for documents, the current place will know
what jurisdiction they once were governed by. It is all about being
usable for current people. Otherwise, we would all be recording
everying in Latin like they once did.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎22‎:‎29‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
sarrazingeor...@gmail.com <mailto:sarrazingeor...@gmail.com>
<mailto:sarrazingeor...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think one should always the name of a location the way it is
indicated in the documentation.

If the name has change or if two locations have been merge, I use
curly brackets with the new name after the old name.

Ex. Romorantin {Romorantin-Lanthenay}, 41194, Loir-et-Cher,
Centre-Val de Loire, France

(Note : I use 5 fields)

Georges

*De :*LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> *De la part de* James
G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup

*Envoyé :* 1 août 2019 09:26
*À :* mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

*Cc :* James G. Hermsen <mailto:jherm...@yahoo.com>
*Objet :* Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

I always use the current geographic location and name today in each
entry and in the notes, remark that the geographic name and country
was different then than it is today. That way when a grandchild (or
anyone) wants to find the place on a map is able to do so. Prussia is
very hard to find, if you did not know where to look. Same thing with
names of cities whose name has changed. Stalingrad, Linengrad don't
make sense for someone born after the Cold War. Peking vs. Bejing.
Same thing.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen

8108 Laura Lynne Lane

Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell

317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎43‎:‎54‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,
mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

I hope you are not inserting the the added information if it is not in
the document. The jurisdictions change over time. In the US what was
a county in 1850 may be another county in 1860 and still another
county by 1870. The house did not move but the boundaries did.

Marie

Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
__ __ __
CG or Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for
Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified
genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name
is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

In a message dated 8/1/2019 6:24:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wrlinh...@gmail.com <mailto:wrlinh...@gmail.com> writes:

I do agree.

My standard is: [1. local jurisdiction/repository i.e.township,
village, city, etc], 2.County, 3.State, 4.Count

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

2019-08-01 Thread Christopher Seward Sr.

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if you
publish & share this information, your method goes against the standard,
and can cause issues.

An example for me was importing a person's info into my file. I kept
getting import errors stating the the location (birth place) did not
exist on that date (birth date). Now I have an issue, since this place
not only didn't exist when this person was born, but when it did exist,
it was in a different country than when he was born, thus making him
appear to be of one heritage, but was actually another.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting the
current name of the location in the notes.

On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with want
to know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no regard for
history, and those who know their history, already know what the
original name is. Looking for documents, the current place will know
what jurisdiction they once were governed by. It is all about being
usable for current people. Otherwise, we would all be recording
everying in Latin like they once did.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎22‎:‎29‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:

I think one should always the name of a location the way it is
indicated in the documentation.

If the name has change or if two locations have been merge, I use
curly brackets with the new name after the old name.

Ex. Romorantin {Romorantin-Lanthenay}, 41194, Loir-et-Cher,
Centre-Val de Loire, France

(Note : I use 5 fields)

Georges

*De :*LegacyUserGroup *De la
part de* James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup

*Envoyé :* 1 août 2019 09:26
*À :* mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup
*Cc :* James G. Hermsen
*Objet :* Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen

8108 Laura Lynne Lane

Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell

317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎43‎:‎54‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,
mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup > wrote:

Marie

In a message dated 8/1/2019 6:24:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wrlinh...@gmail.com writes:

I do agree.

My standard is: [1. local jurisdiction/repository i.e.township,
village, city, etc], 2.County, 3.State, 4.Country

and apply to other countries similarly by always using three commas
for all locations [usually each has a repository of genealogical data]
. The entry might between comma's might be null if I don't have the
information. For example born in USA might be ", , , USA". I know I
have some research to do but I only record what I have from that source.

For folder hierarchy and some naming situations I reverse the order
but always hold to 4 elements for location. I don't believe I have
ever had an exception. I am sure I will learn about one here. So far
this works for me.

Bill

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:20 AM Roberta Schwalm
mailto:robertaschw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I do the same thing, Shirley. Most of my ancestors are from
Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany and a spattering of French.
The only difference is I use "province" instead of State.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:05 PM Shirley Crampton
mailto:scshenders...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I use Village, County, State, Country. Hopefully there is no
more than 1 village of the same name in the County. If the
place is rural then I put the name of the township in the
first position.

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